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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Law with June Brusso from Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: A dozen states now requires students in kindergarten to twelfth

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Speaker 1: grade to wear masks, while another handful bar such mandates

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Speaker 1: as a school year begins amid a surge of coronavirus cases.

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Speaker 1: Litigation is underway and at least five states over masked

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Speaker 1: mandates in schools. Joining me is Bloomberg Legal reporter Eric Larson. So,

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Speaker 1: Eric tell us about the flurry of lawsuits there here

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Speaker 1: fights the underway in Florida and Texas and Oklahoma, And

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Speaker 1: I think it's the cases in Florida are really illustrative

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Speaker 1: as well of what's going on here. There's parents, groups

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Speaker 1: of parents who are concerned about their children catching the

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Speaker 1: delta variance of the coronavirus. Has food in both state

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Speaker 1: court and federal court saying that the governor's ban on

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Speaker 1: mass mandates and schools violates the state constitution in the

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Speaker 1: state case, and then the federal case say that it

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Speaker 1: violates the Americans with Disabilities Act by putting children at risk.

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Speaker 1: So it's still necessarily early on in the federal case,

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Speaker 1: but the state case, the judge denying the governor the

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Speaker 1: Santus's motion to dismiss on Thursday. So and now there

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Speaker 1: was a hearing today. What happened at the hearing, So

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Speaker 1: the hearing is still underway. Um, it's going to end

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and it's the hearing on the parents motion

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Speaker 1: for an injunction against Governor de Santus's ban on mass

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Speaker 1: mandates in school So if the parents win this injunction,

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Speaker 1: then all of the sixty seven or so fool boards

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Speaker 1: in Florida will be able to have mass mandates if

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Speaker 1: they wish, without fear of punishment from the state, which

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Speaker 1: right now the governor has said that he will punish

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Speaker 1: these school districts if they try to impose a mass

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Speaker 1: mandate that does not have an opt out which would

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Speaker 1: allow parents to opt out for any reason. And of course,

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Speaker 1: health experts are saying that if you have a mass mandate,

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Speaker 1: it isn't absolutely mandatory, it just isn't as effective. So

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Speaker 1: there's testimony take it. Who's test of Well, there are

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Speaker 1: health experts and parents on both sides of the issue

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Speaker 1: who are testifying today and tomorrow and through into Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and they have an opening statement from both sides this morning.

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Speaker 1: The parents said that they would be presenting evidence that

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Speaker 1: would show that this delta variant in particular is so

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Speaker 1: contagious and it infects children in a way the earlier

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Speaker 1: variant patent, that there's a particular concern about it in

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Speaker 1: a particular need for faith mass in schools as schools

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Speaker 1: are reopening, and they will also hear from parents who

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Speaker 1: just simply say that it is reckless that the State

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Speaker 1: of Florida is putting their children at risk by essentially

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Speaker 1: exposing them to this virus. You know in these quotes classrooms,

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Speaker 1: private classrooms, or kids you know are very easily able

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Speaker 1: to spread this virus around and take it back to

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Speaker 1: their family and friends. So the state has said that

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Speaker 1: they will also be presenting health experts. They're going to

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Speaker 1: present evidence that they say will show faith masks are

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Speaker 1: actually detrimental to kids. They focused on the mental health aspects,

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Speaker 1: thing that covering the smiles and laughter of children was

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Speaker 1: actually bad for their mental health and to cause anxiety

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Speaker 1: and depression, and that it would affect bonding between the

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Speaker 1: students and the teacher. They will also be presenting parents

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Speaker 1: saying that they're thankful that they have this final say

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Speaker 1: So the health experts on the governor's side, do you

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Speaker 1: know if any of them are going to say that

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Speaker 1: masks don't help to stop people from getting Actually, actually, yes,

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Speaker 1: this is obviously going to be a real point of

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Speaker 1: contention in in the hearing um. We haven't gotten there yet,

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Speaker 1: but in the opening statement, the governor's lawyer did say

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Speaker 1: that they would be presenting evidence showing that in the

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Speaker 1: last school year, the counties in Florida that had mass

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Speaker 1: mandates versus those that didn't had almost no difference in

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Speaker 1: the number, you know, the percentage of children who contracted COVID,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's pretty clear that the parents side

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Speaker 1: is going to argue that that's it is outdated. You

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Speaker 1: know that the delta variants started spreading around earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: it that whatever side loses is going to appeal this right,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like we'll be getting the state case

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Speaker 1: is going to be moving on quite a bit faster here.

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Speaker 1: It's on a faster track. The subtle case is still

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Speaker 1: in Texas. What is the Texas Supreme Court done? I

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Speaker 1: think on the one hand, the Texas Supreme Court had

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Speaker 1: the other hand, in the school lawsuit just said that

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Speaker 1: he had to go through the usual appellate procedure and

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Speaker 1: being vaccinated, he's going through with those fights against mass mandates. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: He's on the same page as Governor Stantus in Florida.

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Speaker 1: You know, they both agree that yes, the virus is dangerous,

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Speaker 1: yes it's spreading around, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: like any other vaccine. That compared it to kids having

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Speaker 1: to take vaccines to go to public schools. So that's

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Speaker 1: a serious matter of health for children, and that parents

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Speaker 1: The judge even pointed out before he issued his ruling

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Speaker 1: Thanks Eric. That's Bloomberg Legal reporter Eric Larson. Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: Justice Samuel Alito has put a hold on a Circuit

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Speaker 1: Court ruling that would force the Biden administration to reinstate

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Speaker 1: a Trump administration policy requiring asylum seekers at the southern

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Speaker 1: a policy that has been dormant for more than a year. Alito,

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Speaker 1: who handles emergency matters from Texas, said he was issuing

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Speaker 1: the stay until Tuesday night so that the full court

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Speaker 1: can consider the application. My guest is Leon Fresco, a

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Speaker 1: about the Migrant Protection Protocols, better known as Remain in Mexico. Well,

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Speaker 1: You would be placed into Mexico and then told Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: what did the appellate court rule? These cases were brought

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Speaker 1: the Administrative Procedure Act, the recision of the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: Remain in Mexico memo was arbitrary and capricious, meaning that

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Speaker 1: the reasons that they gave for rescinding the memorandum weren't

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Speaker 1: basically trying to say was that how could, for instance,

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Speaker 1: and then when those resources are filled, then it would

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Speaker 1: It was very rarely used. They was used, no doubt,

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Speaker 1: what was happening after COVID was no one was getting

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Speaker 1: the president has authority over immigration policy, how can states

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Speaker 1: or can't do. Well, So this is what super complicated about,

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Speaker 1: not just this case. There's another case headed right up

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Speaker 1: and we're looking for more help though, because it is

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Speaker 1: Our goal is to get north of that hopefully to

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Speaker 1: So how many people are you trying to get out?

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Speaker 1: Roughly so the clinic has roughly a hundred and thirty employees,

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Speaker 1: their families. Until recently, we're not eligible for the SIVING program.

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Speaker 1: you know, we believe that they're being directly targeted and

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Speaker 1: Have you ever done anything where you encountered you know

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Speaker 1: the morass of problems you have here. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: complicated situations, but nothing like this. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: people's lives are at risk. Especially these are people who

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Speaker 1: and potential consequences, sacrifice their own personal stafeties to provide

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Speaker 1: essential medical services to the community, to Americans, to other

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Speaker 1: out as quickly as possible. And for anyone who's willing

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Speaker 1: directly in every dollar that goes to go fund me

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Speaker 1: will be dedicated to helping our people escaped. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: that people of stepping up to actually make a change

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Speaker 1: it's incredible. Thanks Mario. That's Mario Desco of Honigman and

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Speaker 1: the fundraising effort Operation we Care Global Afghan Evacuation. And

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Speaker 1: that's it for this edition of the Bloomberg Wall Show.

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