WEBVTT - House Calls - Case #16: Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lauren Sholl.

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<v Speaker 2>I pushed through pain for fifteen years before being diagnosed

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<v Speaker 2>with siatic arthritis at the age of twenty eight. I

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<v Speaker 2>was young when I started having skin irritation, skin rashes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I went to a dermatologist, and the dermatologist

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed me with what they called at that point dermatitisty.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I got to college, my skin did actually

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<v Speaker 2>get worse, but I did also start having issues where

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do the things that I like to do

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<v Speaker 2>as much anymore. So I started to feel like stiffness

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<v Speaker 2>in my legs. The bottoms of my feet would hurt

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<v Speaker 2>when i'd go run. I was dancing in college, and

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<v Speaker 2>so there were times where I would just have to

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<v Speaker 2>take a break from practice because my body didn't feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>For years, Lauren attributed her pain to the intense training

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<v Speaker 3>she endured as a professional dancer, but after having to

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<v Speaker 3>give up her career due to a difficult battle with MRSA,

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<v Speaker 3>Lauren's symptoms escalated.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, it got to a point where I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>laundry and like my husband's like, you are limping to

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<v Speaker 2>the laundry machine, Like there is no way that you

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<v Speaker 2>are actually okay, and I thought I broke my toe,

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<v Speaker 2>and we went into the podiatrist.

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<v Speaker 1>I got X rays.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, your toe's not broken, but you're not

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<v Speaker 2>even thirty years old, and we're seeing like advanced arthritis

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<v Speaker 2>patterns in your joints. He was the first person to

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<v Speaker 2>actually notice my patches on my skin. Then he said,

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<v Speaker 2>have you had this for a long time? That looks

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<v Speaker 2>like psiias's.

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<v Speaker 3>As a former professional dancer deeply in tune with her body,

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<v Speaker 3>Lauren became increasingly fearful as she watched it slowly break down.

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<v Speaker 3>Despite being die diagnosed with psoriasis, her doctors hadn't been

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<v Speaker 3>able to piece together all of the clues until she

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<v Speaker 3>found doctor Aaron Arnold.

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<v Speaker 2>I went in there in tears, on crutches, unable to

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<v Speaker 2>live my life the way that I wanted to live

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<v Speaker 2>at that point was twenty six, twenty seven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>And she made me feel like we were not going

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<v Speaker 2>to stop trying until we could find an option that worked,

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<v Speaker 2>being very very communicative of me, like really retracing what

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<v Speaker 2>these past years have looked like, looking at my history,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at all of my symptoms, she said, sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost just as important or even more important to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the symptoms and to be able to really evaluate

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<v Speaker 2>the progression of how things have moved along, and she

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed me with siatic arthritis.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to House Calls. I'm Lauren Bribe Pacheco. On these

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<v Speaker 3>special segments, we'll check in with friends from former Symptomatic

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<v Speaker 3>episodes for updates on their health and live since we

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<v Speaker 3>last connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Hi, Lauren, how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm all right. How have you been.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been good. We've been very busy around here.

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<v Speaker 3>And you just got out of baseball season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my eight year old is playing with the ten

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<v Speaker 2>year olds and it's scary being the mom.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what. I miss those days though, Enjoy them,

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy them. They go so fast. So before we even

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<v Speaker 3>dive in, I'm sure that most people have had a

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<v Speaker 3>chance to listen to your episode, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>give them just a little recap basically for those who

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<v Speaker 3>might have missed your episode, which is a great listen.

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<v Speaker 3>You endured fifteen years of pain before you were properly

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<v Speaker 3>diagnosed with soriatic arthritis at the age of twenty, and

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<v Speaker 3>dance wasn't just a passion for you, it was actually

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<v Speaker 3>a profession. You were a professional dancer, but along the

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<v Speaker 3>way in your health journey, you had a ton of misdiagnoses,

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<v Speaker 3>including dermatitis and psoriasis, before finally finding a doctor who

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<v Speaker 3>identified you with the correct condition. For people who just

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<v Speaker 3>want to hear it from you, walk me through what

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<v Speaker 3>you went through over that fifteen year period.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I went through a lot of question mentally.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really hard because I was feeling pain. I

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<v Speaker 2>had crazy patches all over my body that wouldn't go

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<v Speaker 2>away with any of the typical treatments. After going to

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<v Speaker 2>doctor beyond doctor beyond doctor, I started to feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit crazy myself because you get questioned, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no answers to points you in what the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>or that the problem is even a real problem, and

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<v Speaker 2>you just start to feel like it's hopeless. This will

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<v Speaker 2>never change, this will never go away. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>had to change my career path because of the damage

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<v Speaker 2>and the pain that I was feeling. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>blessing in disguise, I will say that because I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to find a new career path that literally still

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<v Speaker 2>to this day fills me up incredibly well.

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<v Speaker 3>Your personal trainer and also nutritionist and I think that

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<v Speaker 3>that's wonderful because you've really been able through your own

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<v Speaker 3>struggles to understand the challenges of your clients. Your case

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<v Speaker 3>was so interesting to me because given the physical discipline

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<v Speaker 3>that you were used to. You know, we often don't

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<v Speaker 3>listen to our body, but you were used to pushing

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<v Speaker 3>your body through discomfort already, and perhaps had you not

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<v Speaker 3>been trained for so many years as you know, an

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<v Speaker 3>elite athlete as a dancer, you may have been more

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<v Speaker 3>willing to listen to your body's earlier signs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I think it's hard depending upon the person

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<v Speaker 2>and their personality. And I think, like you said, as

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<v Speaker 2>you have a mentality of an athlete that is determined

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<v Speaker 2>to push through it or work through it, or ignore pain,

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<v Speaker 2>or tell ourselves that we're tough so we can keep going,

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<v Speaker 2>it can work against us.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think there is a romanticizing of pain, particularly

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<v Speaker 3>in sports, where it is as pithy as it sounds,

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<v Speaker 3>no pain, no gain. Would you agree that's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>the best path now that you're training others.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I think too, like maybe I say this

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<v Speaker 2>because I am a woman, but I also think for

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<v Speaker 2>women to be able to say, like I've been there.

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<v Speaker 2>I've fought through this and I fought through that, and

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<v Speaker 2>you almost feel like you are this superhero fighting all

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<v Speaker 2>of these battles. But I think that the truth strength

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<v Speaker 2>comes from being able to listen to your body. And

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<v Speaker 2>I call it giving in to your body, giving your

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<v Speaker 2>body what it's asking for. And that might be rest,

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<v Speaker 2>that might be recovery, that might be exploring what's really

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<v Speaker 2>going on rather than ignoring it fighting past it. Just

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<v Speaker 2>like the basic things for me have been really important

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<v Speaker 2>in making sure that I'm giving my body what it

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<v Speaker 2>needs day to day to just keep myself feeling as

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<v Speaker 2>best as I can and keep my good streaks going

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<v Speaker 2>as long as I can write them out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's wonderful because your basics aren't strict, rigid rules.

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<v Speaker 3>They are adjusting with your needs given the given day

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<v Speaker 3>and the reality of your workload and also juggling busy

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<v Speaker 3>life as a mom of two boys. Are they eight

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<v Speaker 3>and eleven?

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<v Speaker 2>Now they aren't eight and eleven, eight and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>He would be mad at you if you mortified.

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<v Speaker 3>How dare I?

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<v Speaker 1>How dare it's eight and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know I would have to say, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about the last time we spoke about you

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<v Speaker 3>living by example because your family has a very interesting

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<v Speaker 3>health profile as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Both my kids I have juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and my

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<v Speaker 2>husband has ankylosing spondylitis. My husband and I did not

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<v Speaker 2>know that we were both autoimmune you know people, until

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<v Speaker 2>well after our two kids were born, but it just

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<v Speaker 2>so happened that way. So being able to show up

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<v Speaker 2>for myself and show my kids what they are capable of,

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<v Speaker 2>but also the importance of taking care of ourselves in

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<v Speaker 2>order for us to be able to do those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Has been constant talk in our household of reminders of

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<v Speaker 2>rest and recovery and bedtimes, which aren't always easy when

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<v Speaker 2>you've got an eight and a half year old and

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<v Speaker 2>an eleven year old who want to stay up all

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<v Speaker 2>night playing video games. But talking about what sleep does

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<v Speaker 2>for our bodies and all of those things, and them

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<v Speaker 2>seeing mom get in bed early too, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge health and I hope they continue to adapt

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<v Speaker 2>so they can continue to do all the amazing things

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<v Speaker 2>that they do too.

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<v Speaker 3>So did they ever listen to your episode?

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<v Speaker 1>They did.

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<v Speaker 2>I had some of their friends listen to my episode,

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<v Speaker 2>which was so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's wild. What were some of the most interesting reactions

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<v Speaker 3>you got to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the reactions my kids were just like they

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<v Speaker 2>were just very proud of me.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like their biggest takeaway.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I show up for them and we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about their school quizzes and their spelling tests and all

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<v Speaker 2>those things, but they don't necessarily always see the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I've battled in my personal life and where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at today meant a ton to me. But also just

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they see that journey and also where

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<v Speaker 2>I've come across the other side of it, And they

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<v Speaker 2>always joke around with me and tell me that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the strongest woman. We do family workouts together and they

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<v Speaker 2>see me lift weights all the time, and Mom's the

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<v Speaker 2>strongest woman in the world, right But like that strength

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<v Speaker 2>to this time around didn't come in the form of

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<v Speaker 2>my muscles or the weights that I'm lifting. It came

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<v Speaker 2>from like the internal strength. And the fact that they

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<v Speaker 2>can see that strength comes in so many ways shapes

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<v Speaker 2>and forms is really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so beautiful also because I'm sure that if their

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<v Speaker 3>friends did listen, they were probably bewildered. Because the truth is,

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<v Speaker 3>as is the case with so many people who are

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<v Speaker 3>navigating chronic illnesses, particularly one such as your own, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily physically manifest the symptoms on your exterior, your

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<v Speaker 3>personal trainer. You look like a personal trainer. You're in

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful shape in every single aspect of the way in

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<v Speaker 3>which you present, including your wonderful energy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting too, Like you said, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>people don't see that side of me on the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to recognize.

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<v Speaker 2>But a big part of that is where I am

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<v Speaker 2>today with my condition and the thing that I have

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<v Speaker 2>over time figured out to help me be that fun

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<v Speaker 2>and active and engaging mom as well too, because that

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<v Speaker 2>is really important to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and how did your husband Matt react to the episode?

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<v Speaker 1>He loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved it actually listening to the bits and pieces

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<v Speaker 2>and hearing his perspective of how it's affected him and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that kind of stuff, and him feeling kind

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<v Speaker 2>of helpless at times where he's like, I do my

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<v Speaker 2>best I can to support and be hands on and

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<v Speaker 2>give whatever I can give, but also like hating to

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<v Speaker 2>see me in pain or fatigue, Like you know, it's hard,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like a good reminder to both of us

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<v Speaker 2>how far we've come.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely so. We got an email actually just on Friday

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<v Speaker 3>from a listener who had questions for you. I'd love

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<v Speaker 3>to share them and you can answer them in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go amazing, it said.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm mystified as to how this case progressed. Did Lauren

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<v Speaker 3>go back to the dermatologists once soriasis diagnosis was confirmed?

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<v Speaker 3>Soriatic arthritis should have immediately left to mind. To my

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<v Speaker 3>way of thinking, poor Lauren must have gone to the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong doctor's for help. By the way, I am a

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<v Speaker 3>former dancer now eighty years old, and feels so much

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<v Speaker 3>for Lauren. It is a terrible blow to ponder living

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<v Speaker 3>without dance if one is young and immersed in it.

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<v Speaker 3>So happy she has gotten at least part of her

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<v Speaker 3>life back and I wish her well. Thanks Pete from

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<v Speaker 3>North Carolina PS. I also have soriasis skin variety. Fortunately

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<v Speaker 3>it's mild and doesn't need treatment. My wife insists that

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<v Speaker 3>sunlight helps, and I think she's right.

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<v Speaker 1>She usually is, we always are.

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<v Speaker 2>So the question was if I went back to the

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<v Speaker 2>dermatologist after the confirmed sriasis diagnosis, and whether they tried

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<v Speaker 2>to connect it to souriatic arthritis. I did go back

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<v Speaker 2>to the dermatologist, and no, they never linked my psoriasis

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<v Speaker 2>to arthritis. There was never once the question asked.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one part of my story that really

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<v Speaker 1>upsets me.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm over and now right, but like

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<v Speaker 2>it made me angry back when I had been diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was diagnosed with the psoriasis, nobody asked me

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<v Speaker 2>if there was any type of joint pain or any

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<v Speaker 2>other symptoms that accompanied that psoriasis.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just so happy to see you doing so well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really really happy to It was a long journey

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<v Speaker 2>of me fighting all the emotions, the ups and the

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<v Speaker 2>downs of coming to a diagnosis and really realizing that

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<v Speaker 2>this is likely something that I will be dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of my life. But now it is

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<v Speaker 2>almost a blessing because I have gotten to find myself

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<v Speaker 2>in a career path that I genuinely love and can

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<v Speaker 2>help others that have experienced or are experiencing what I've

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<v Speaker 2>been through, and also being able to get to know

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<v Speaker 2>my body on another level that most people don't know

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<v Speaker 2>their bodies on. So I feel like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>good has come out of it. I try to do

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<v Speaker 2>my best to stay positive, but it seems to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to get better and better.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's wonderful because honestly, the most important responsibility we're

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<v Speaker 3>all individually tasked with is taking care of ourselves. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 3>we all know our bodies better than anyone else possibly can.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a wonderful thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there something that you've learned along the way that

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<v Speaker 3>has really helped you cultivate and maintain positivity?

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<v Speaker 1>Dance it out?

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that the question that came through said

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<v Speaker 2>that it's hard and when you've been a dancer your

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<v Speaker 2>entire life to think of never dancing again.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will tell you that I dance all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It may not be in the professional way, and I

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<v Speaker 2>may not look professional doing it anymore, but I am

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<v Speaker 2>still always dancing.

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<v Speaker 3>Love it, Lauren, thank you so much for sharing the update.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>On next week's episode of Symptomatic, what starts as an

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<v Speaker 3>ordinary day for Trent Fielder spirals into a nightmare when

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<v Speaker 3>he suddenly can't move his legs, throwing him into a

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<v Speaker 3>devastating health crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>I was actually underneath a car trying to work an

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<v Speaker 4>estimate and was trying to get out and my legs

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't hold my weight.

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<v Speaker 3>By the next day, Trent was thrust into a relentless

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<v Speaker 3>battle for his health, facing the terrifying possibility he would

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<v Speaker 3>never walk again.

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<v Speaker 4>I ended up having two embolisms back to back, and

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<v Speaker 4>the second one actually killed me.

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<v Speaker 3>This has been house calls. Thanks for listening, and we

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<v Speaker 3>would love to hear from you too. You can email

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<v Speaker 3>Until next time, be well.