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Speaker 1: My name is Lauren Sholl.

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Speaker 2: I pushed through pain for fifteen years before being diagnosed

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Speaker 2: with siatic arthritis at the age of twenty eight. I

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Speaker 2: was young when I started having skin irritation, skin rashes.

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Speaker 2: That's when I went to a dermatologist, and the dermatologist

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Speaker 2: diagnosed me with what they called at that point dermatitisty.

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Speaker 2: So when I got to college, my skin did actually

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Speaker 2: I couldn't do the things that I like to do

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Speaker 2: when i'd go run. I was dancing in college, and

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Speaker 2: so there were times where I would just have to

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Speaker 3: For years, Lauren attributed her pain to the intense training

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Speaker 3: she endured as a professional dancer, but after having to

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Speaker 3: give up her career due to a difficult battle with MRSA,

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Speaker 3: Lauren's symptoms escalated.

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Speaker 2: Finally, it got to a point where I was doing

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Speaker 2: the laundry machine, Like there is no way that you

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Speaker 2: and we went into the podiatrist.

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Speaker 1: I got X rays.

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Speaker 2: He's like, well, your toe's not broken, but you're not

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Speaker 2: even thirty years old, and we're seeing like advanced arthritis

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Speaker 2: patterns in your joints. He was the first person to

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Speaker 2: actually notice my patches on my skin. Then he said,

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Speaker 2: have you had this for a long time? That looks

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Speaker 2: like psiias's.

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Speaker 3: As a former professional dancer deeply in tune with her body,

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Speaker 3: Lauren became increasingly fearful as she watched it slowly break down.

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Speaker 3: Despite being die diagnosed with psoriasis, her doctors hadn't been

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Speaker 3: able to piece together all of the clues until she

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Speaker 3: found doctor Aaron Arnold.

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Speaker 2: I went in there in tears, on crutches, unable to

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Speaker 2: at that point was twenty six, twenty seven years old.

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Speaker 2: And she made me feel like we were not going

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Speaker 2: to stop trying until we could find an option that worked,

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Speaker 2: being very very communicative of me, like really retracing what

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Speaker 2: these past years have looked like, looking at my history,

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Speaker 2: looking at all of my symptoms, she said, sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: the progression of how things have moved along, and she

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Speaker 2: diagnosed me with siatic arthritis.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to House Calls. I'm Lauren Bribe Pacheco. On these

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Speaker 3: special segments, we'll check in with friends from former Symptomatic

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Speaker 3: episodes for updates on their health and live since we

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Speaker 3: last connected.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Hi, Lauren, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm all right. How have you been.

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Speaker 1: I've been good. We've been very busy around here.

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Speaker 3: And you just got out of baseball season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my eight year old is playing with the ten

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Speaker 2: year olds and it's scary being the mom.

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Speaker 3: You know what. I miss those days though, Enjoy them,

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Speaker 3: enjoy them. They go so fast. So before we even

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Speaker 3: dive in, I'm sure that most people have had a

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Speaker 3: might have missed your episode, which is a great listen.

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Speaker 3: You endured fifteen years of pain before you were properly

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Speaker 3: diagnosed with soriatic arthritis at the age of twenty, and

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Speaker 3: dance wasn't just a passion for you, it was actually

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Speaker 3: including dermatitis and psoriasis, before finally finding a doctor who

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Speaker 3: identified you with the correct condition. For people who just

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Speaker 3: you went through over that fifteen year period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I went through a lot of question mentally.

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Speaker 2: It was really hard because I was feeling pain. I

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Speaker 3: Your personal trainer and also nutritionist and I think that

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Speaker 3: that's wonderful because you've really been able through your own

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I think it's hard depending upon the person

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Speaker 3: And I think there is a romanticizing of pain, particularly

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Speaker 3: no pain, no gain. Would you agree that's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think too, like maybe I say this

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Speaker 2: I've fought through this and I fought through that, and

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Speaker 3: You know, it's wonderful because your basics aren't strict, rigid rules.

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Speaker 2: Now they aren't eight and eleven, eight and a half.

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Speaker 2: He would be mad at you if you mortified.

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Speaker 3: How dare I?

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Speaker 2: Both my kids I have juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and my

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Speaker 2: Has been constant talk in our household of reminders of

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Speaker 3: So did they ever listen to your episode?

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Speaker 2: I had some of their friends listen to my episode,

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Speaker 2: Most of the reactions my kids were just like they

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Speaker 2: strongest woman in the world, right But like that strength

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting too, Like you said, it's just

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so. We got an email actually just on Friday

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Speaker 1: Here we go amazing, it said.

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Speaker 3: I'm mystified as to how this case progressed. Did Lauren

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Speaker 3: Soriatic arthritis should have immediately left to mind. To my

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Speaker 1: She usually is, we always are.

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Speaker 1: And this is one part of my story that really

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm over and now right, but like

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Speaker 3: I'm just so happy to see you doing so well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's wonderful because honestly, the most important responsibility we're

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Speaker 3: we all know our bodies better than anyone else possibly can.

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Speaker 3: It's a wonderful thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Is there something that you've learned along the way that

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Speaker 1: Dance it out?

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Speaker 2: And I know that the question that came through said

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you that I dance all the time.

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Speaker 2: It may not be in the professional way, and I

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Speaker 3: Love it, Lauren, thank you so much for sharing the update.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: On next week's episode of Symptomatic, what starts as an

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Speaker 3: ordinary day for Trent Fielder spirals into a nightmare when

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Speaker 3: he suddenly can't move his legs, throwing him into a

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Speaker 4: I was actually underneath a car trying to work an

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Speaker 3: By the next day, Trent was thrust into a relentless

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Speaker 4: I ended up having two embolisms back to back, and

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Speaker 4: the second one actually killed me.

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Speaker 3: This has been house calls. Thanks for listening, and we

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