1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Well, let me first start off by saying, Happy New Year. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you. Senator, 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Happy New Year's to you and your family. It's nice 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: we had a little time off during the holidays, and 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: I know you got to spend some great time with 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: your family and and your kids, and I know you 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: got some pretty good Christmas gifts as well. So Merry 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: Christmas to you your family, and happy New Year as well. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: We have got a lot to chat about that has 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: been happening, and let's start with this story Democrats trying 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: to kick Donald Trump off the ballot in Colorado, in Maine, 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: and this has been unfolding really over the holidays. 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Well, Ben, good to be back with you. Happy New Year. 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and a wonderful 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: New Years. And we are starting now twenty twenty four. 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: I will say, looking back over twenty twenty three, what 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: an absolute dumpster fire of a year, A what a 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: mess it has been, What a disaster it's been on 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: the southern border, an an absolute assault it's been on 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: the rule of law. Donald Trump indicted four different times 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 2: as Democrats engage in law fair, trying to fight through 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: the courts what they cannot beat at the at the 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: ballot box. I have to say the decisions in Colorado 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: and Maine are the most grotesque assaults on democracy that 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: I have ever seen in my life. You know, there 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: is an irony. There's an irony with leftists. They always, always, 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: always accuse you of the thing it is they are 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: in fact doing. It has become this ostentatious virtue signal 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: for anyone on the left to say, we must defend democracy, 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: we must save democracy. Usually they flick their hair back 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: and let the wind blow their hair in the bit 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: as they are saving democracy. And yet we see partisan 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: democrats directly attacking democracy. What is democracy? Democracy is a 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: process through which the people vote and their wishes are enacted. Now, 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: technically speaking, we're not a democracy. We're a democratic republic. 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: In other words, the voters vote to elect representatives, hence 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: the republic. But we are built on democratic principles, which 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: is that the will of the people is sovereign. And 39 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: what the Democrats have done in both Colorado and in 40 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: Maine is said, to hell with the voters. We don't 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: care about democracy, We don't care what the voters want. 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: We know better. We hate Donald Trump so much the 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: voters are not allowed to vote for him. That is 44 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: it's never happened in our nation's history. It is a 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: level of partisanship and weaponization and cynicism and abuse of 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: power that is truly unprecedented, and it is also legally frivolous. 47 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you right now, these decisions will 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: be reversed. I put the odds at these decisions being 49 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: reversed at one hundred percent. When we get to November 50 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: of this year, if Donald Trump is the Republican nominee, 51 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: his name will be on the ballot. Donald Trump's name 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: will be on the primary ballot in every state, and 53 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: no partisan Democrat is going to succeed in removing his 54 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: name from the ballot and keeping it off. That is 55 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: my prediction right now. I believe the US Supreme Court 56 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: will take this case. I think they will overturn, they 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: will reverse the Colorado decision. I think they will do 58 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: so swiftly, and I think there is a very real 59 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: possibility they do so unanimously. I hope they do so unanimously. 60 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if the left leaning judges on the 61 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: Court would be willing to do so, but they should. 62 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: It would be the right thing to do. And I 63 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: think there's a reasonable prospect that we get a nine 64 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: zero decision from the US Supreme Court reversing the Colorado 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: decision and making clear that if you don't like Donald Trump, 66 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: the answer is go beat him at the ballot box, 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: not go to your friendly Democrat in your pocket secretary 68 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: of state, just to pull them off the ballot and 69 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: prevent the voters from voting for him. 70 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: Which brings us to Maine. 71 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: And let's talk about Main's Democratic secretary of state. 72 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: You talk about being friendly. 73 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: She actually tweeted out at one point back in January 74 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: the fourth of twenty twenty two, so two years ago. 75 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: In essence, the fundamental right of any American citizen to 76 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: vote freely, fairly, and to have their vote counted is 77 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: the premise of our democracy. The Constitution and the Bill 78 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: of Rights are not values to be compromised away, and 79 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: that is what she tweeted out. Now, what's shocking about 80 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: this is we've now found out more about this Democrat 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: secretary of State number one. She is not elected by 82 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: the people, She's elected by the legislature. And explain a 83 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: little bit about because there's been some people that have 84 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: been saying, like this woman wasn't even elected by the people. 85 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: That's how they do it in Maine. 86 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: But she also the reason why she said she wanted 87 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: to take Trump off the ballot was mainly from what 88 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: she described in the filings as from being from utube videos. 89 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 90 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: Look, different states select secretaries of state differently. Some states 91 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: the voters elect the secretary of states. Other states, in Texas, 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: for example, the governor appoints the secretary of state, so 93 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: the secretary of State in Texas is not elected. The 94 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: secretary of state is appointed by the governor. In Maine, 95 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: they have a rather odd hybrid system where the state 96 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: legislature elects the secretary of state. Now, the legislature elected her. 97 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: Shenna Bellows is her name. She's a Democrat. She's a 98 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: partisan Democrat. She was the executive director of the ACLU 99 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: in Maine. And actually, interestingly, she's not a lawyer. She 100 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: doesn't have a law degree, she had never been to 101 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: law school. And she purported to make a definitive determination 102 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: of what the Constitution of what the fourteenth Amendment, Section 103 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: three means, what it holds, and make a determination that 104 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump has engaged in insurrection. That decision will not stand. 105 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: She didn't follow anything resembling due process that any court 106 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 2: of law would recognize. And I think what the next 107 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: step will be that this is being challenged in Maine 108 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: state court, it goes to a main trial court initially, 109 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: and then it could be appealed to the main Supreme Court. 110 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: I think there's a very good chance the main trial 111 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: court reverses it. I don't know the particular judge it 112 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: will be in front of, but the right decision would 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: be to reverse of the main trial court. But what's 114 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: really going to decide this is the Colorado appeal. If 115 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: I am right, that the Supreme Court will take the 116 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: Colorado case and they will decide it quickly, that determination 117 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: is going to be conclusive on me as well. 118 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: So when you look at where this is moving forward, 119 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: and I want to talk to politics of this for 120 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: a second, what this seems to be is Democrats moving 121 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: to what I describe as phase two of their radical 122 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, get rid of our constitution, our freedoms, our democracy, 123 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: as she described, quoting her the fundamental rights of any 124 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: American citizens to vote freely, fairly and have their vote counted. 125 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: Right. 126 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: It is the core premise of our democracy. Except if 127 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: you go back twenty sixteen, Senator, look at what Democrats did. 128 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: They try to overthrow the will of the people by 129 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: impeaching Donald Trump using a dossier they knew was created 130 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: by the Democrats. It was paid for by the Democrat 131 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: National Committee and paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign. 132 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 3: That's a fact, undisputed fact. We know that now. 133 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: In fact, they were even fined for misappropriating money with 134 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: how they paid for that dossier. Democrats that were trying 135 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: to impeach the president then because they didn't like who 136 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: the people chose, knew they were impeaching the president off 137 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: of off of basically a story that they created out 138 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: of thin air. So now that didn't work, they move 139 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: on to phase two, which is, all right, well, we 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: can't trust that you're going to pick the candidate that 141 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: we approve of, so we're going to take that candidate 142 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: off the ballot. This seems to be phase two of 143 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: this juncture now, which is all right, forget the past, 144 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: the impeachment. We're going to get rid of your guy 145 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: even before you have a chance to vote for him. 146 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: And this is happening in dozens of states around the 147 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: country they're looking to do the same thing. How concerning 148 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: should we be as voters that this is literally that 149 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: slippery slope. 150 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: Look that this is utterly brazen, and it's the full 151 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: manifestation of a pattern that has been unfolding for years. 152 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: And as you know, I talk about it at length 153 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: in the last two books I wrote. I wrote a 154 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: year ago, I wrote a book called Justice Corrupted, How 155 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: the Left has weaponized the legal system. That breaks down 156 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: in detail how the radical left turned our legal system 157 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: into an offensive weapon to try to attack their political 158 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: opponents and destroy their political opponents. And then my latest 159 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: book that just came out in the last couple of 160 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: months is called Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America, 161 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: and it likewise describes how the cultural Marxists have seized 162 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: the institutions of our government, the institutions of culture, journalism, education, 163 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: colleges K through twelve, education, entertainment, sports, science, it goes 164 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: through all of them. If you look at government under 165 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: Barack Obama, we saw the federal government weaponized against the 166 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: enemies of the White House. Under Barack Obama, the IRS 167 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: began attacking conservatives and tea party groups. Under Barack Obama, 168 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: the FBI, of the DOJ, and the CIA began to 169 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: be weaponized to attack their political enemies. But then when 170 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: Donald Trump got elected, it shattered the brains of leftists. 171 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: They did not imagine that that was even remote possible. 172 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: It could not happen. They were certain that Hillary was 173 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: going to be anointed, was going to be coronated, and 174 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: they would continue that their control, their stranglehold on the 175 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: federal government when the voters had something different to say 176 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: about it. When the voter said no, we don't want 177 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: that and elected Donald Trump, we saw for four years. 178 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: You want to talk about assaults on democracy, we saw 179 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: number one right after the election, multiple Democrats object to 180 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: the certification of Donald Trump. So, by the way, every Democrat, 181 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: every media person who says it's an insurrection, it's an 182 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: insurrection because they objected to the election ignores the fact 183 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: that the Democrats had objected in two thousand and one, 184 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: had objected in two thousand and five, and had objected 185 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. Every time a Republican had been elected 186 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: in the two thousands, Democrats had objected. They'd done the 187 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: same thing, but not only that, and By the way, 188 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: one of the objectors was Jamie Raskin, ironically one of 189 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: the impeachment managers. He himself was claiming that it was 190 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: an insurrection when he had in fact objected on the 191 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: floor of the House to Trump's first election as president. 192 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: But if you look at what the DOJ and the 193 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: FBI and the CIA and the alphabet soup of a 194 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: federal agencies did when Trump was president, it was an 195 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: assault on democracy. Why is that, Well, democracy says that 196 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: the voters get to choose, and the voters elected Donald 197 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: Trump in twenty sixteen. But yet the hard partisans who 198 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: had burrowed into senior career positions at DOJ and the 199 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: FBI and the rest of the agencies, they hated Trump, 200 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: and they spent four years trying to undermine, trying to attack, 201 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: trying to destroy the democratically elected president of the United States. 202 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: That is an assault on democracy. That is reflecting a 203 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,359 Speaker 2: contempt for democratic values. That is saying, I, the career bureaucrat, 204 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: know better who the president should be than the pesky voter, 205 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: and I'm going to abuse my government power to try 206 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: to destroy the officeholder that the voters elected. Well, that 207 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: angry hateful lashing out that we saw in twenty seventeen, 208 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, that we saw with 209 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: Russia Russia Russia, that we saw with the Steele dossier, 210 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: that we saw with the relentless attack. The newest manifestation 211 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: is what is happening in Colorado and what is happening 212 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: in Maine. If you look at Colorado, the Colorado Supreme 213 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: Court has seven members, all Democrats. They've been appointed by 214 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: Democrat governors in Colorado. Interestingly, it was a four to 215 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: three decision from the Colorado Supreme Court. The four justices 216 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: who were in the majority none of them went to 217 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: school in Colorado. They all went to Harvard and Yale. 218 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: The three justices who went to law school in Colorado 219 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 2: all dissented, and it shows you something about just how 220 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: radicalized the elite schools been. Actually, one of those four 221 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: justices is a woman I went to law school with. 222 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: I was on the law review with her. I knew 223 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: her well, she was a partisan Democrat then. But I 224 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: got to say where she and her three other liberal 225 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: justices are now is breathtaking, because they are saying, we 226 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: don't care what the voters want in Colorado. Secretary of 227 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: State in Maine is saying, I don't care what the 228 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: voters want in Maine. I hate Trump so much you 229 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: cannot vote for him. 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You look at these these moving 258 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: forward and continuing to assault on our democracy. It brings 259 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: me to phase three. And you warned about this in 260 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: your book. You alluded to it a second ago. But 261 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: I want to dive into this. More Democrats and they 262 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: don't get their win election day, then they try to 263 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: impeach a conservative. Then if then another can it comes 264 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: out they find threatening. Now they're just going to try 265 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: to take them off the ballot. If that doesn't work 266 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court, you know, shuts it down nine 267 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: to zero or eight to one or whatever seven to two, 268 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: then I think we can all agree Stage three would 269 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: be okay. Well, the next time we have a chance 270 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: to pack that court, which is what you warned about 271 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: in your book. Then we're just going to pack the 272 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: court until we get the votes we need so then 273 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: we can kick people off ballots anywhere we went to 274 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: in America. 275 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: Am I crazy to think that's where we're going. You're 276 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: not crazy, and it is exactly where we're going. The Democrats, 277 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: they believe the ends justify the means. They have convinced 278 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: themselves Donald Trump is Hitler, and therefore, in order to 279 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: stop Hitler, anything, anything, anything is justified and destroying norms, 280 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: destroying the principle that the voters decide elections, that's perfectly 281 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: okay from their perspective. Destroying the rule of law, destroying 282 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. Look, you've seen Merrick Garland and the 283 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: Department of Justice and Democrats in the Senate wage war 284 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: on the US Supreme Court, trying to delegitimize the court, 285 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: trying to destroy trust because they don't like the rulings 286 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: coming from the court, and it's perfectly acceptable. They apparently 287 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: have no compunction, No tiny voice in them says, well, 288 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: maybe our country is worse off. They don't have that voice, 289 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: they don't respond to it. Instead, they're willing to do 290 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: whatever it takes because they they're convinced with a messianic 291 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: zeal It's a zealotry that is reminiscent of the fervor 292 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: of a religious zealate, of a fanatic. It has become 293 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: their life purpose to hate and attack Donald Trump and 294 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: to destroy every institution in America if necessary, to stop 295 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. 296 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: When this news broke of Main's top elective official removing 297 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Trump from the twenty twenty four primary ballot, the shocking 298 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: part was in the devil in the details of the 299 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: decision on why they decided to do it. They of 300 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: course said, oh, what was January the sixth insurrection? But 301 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: they actually cited YouTube videos, which is one of the 302 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: reasons want to kick him off the ballot. And even 303 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: on CNN they couldn't get this past their own commentators 304 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: who said this listen carefully. 305 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 4: An interesting discussion, an interesting take from the main Secretary 306 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 4: of State. Here, the fourteenth Amendment, section three says in 307 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: playing texts that if you shall have engaged in insurrection, 308 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 4: you can't be in office. She takes that to mean 309 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 4: that if she determines a Donald Trump engage in insurrection, 310 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 4: he can't be on the main primary ballot. Is it 311 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: that simple. 312 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: No, it's not that simple. 313 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 5: So clearly Section three of the Fourteenth Amendment says, engage 314 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 5: in insurrection, you're out. 315 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: We all have that. 316 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 5: The complicated part, and where we are going to see 317 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 5: this play out in the courts is who gets to 318 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 5: decide and buy what process. Now it's important to know. 319 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 5: And in the ruling the Secretary of State we just 320 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 5: heard from says she's basically following the same legal reasoning 321 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 5: as the Colorado Supreme Court did last week. And she 322 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 5: says in her ruling, if this gets struck down in Colorado, 323 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 5: we're out of luck too. So she's facing it on 324 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: the same legal argument. Let me sort of lay out 325 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 5: the arguments both sides, and by the way, it's worth saying, 326 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 5: we're all theorizing here, we're in legally unknown territory. The 327 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 5: argument against is, first of all, the Fourteenth Amendment, Section 328 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 5: five says Congress has the authority to pass laws to 329 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 5: implement this. They did, they passed the criminal law. And 330 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 5: the argument is that means Congress, not the States. But 331 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 5: perhaps and this is the argument that the main secretary 332 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 5: of State in Colorado made, the states can do it too. 333 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 5: If that's true. Then Section two. Question two is we're 334 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 5: the processes? Were these hearings fair? Did they comport with 335 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 5: due process? And I think there's a question there with 336 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 5: regard to what Maine did because if you look at 337 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 5: the hearing, and she details us in the ruling, they 338 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 5: heard from one fact witness, a law professor. She based 339 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 5: her ruling on a lot of documents, but also YouTube clips. 340 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, senator, also YouTube clips and one one witness 341 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: who is a law professor. I'm going to gotten a 342 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: limb here and say it's probably a liberal law professor 343 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: they found to make the argument. And so now that's 344 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: enough that we can just say, yep, you can't vote 345 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: for you the candidate you want to choose that the 346 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: Republican Party chooses, because we think it's a threat to 347 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: the Democratic parties. So therefore you don't have the option. 348 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: Like this is the world we live in now in 349 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. 350 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: Four, you know. And it's interesting that that legal commentator 351 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: on CNN is very liberal, but even he is saying 352 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. Look the text of the fourteenth Amendments, 353 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: Section three, here's what it says. It says, quote, no 354 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: person shall be a senator or representative in Congress, or 355 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 2: elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office 356 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: civil or military under the United States or under any State, 357 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: who having previously taken an oath as a member of Congress, 358 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: or as an officer of the United States, or as 359 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: a member of any State legislature, or as an executive 360 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution 361 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or 362 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: rebellion against the same, or given aid and comfort to 363 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of 364 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: two thirds of each House, remove such disability. Now, this 365 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: was passed right in the wake of the Civil War, 366 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: and it was designed to stop people who had fought 367 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: the Confederate Army from serving in government office. That if 368 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: you had been part of an army waging war a 369 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: civil war. Look, at the end of the day, the 370 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 2: Civil War killed over six hundred thousand Americans. It was 371 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: a war that waged on for four years. It was 372 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: the bloodiest war in American history. And the fourteenth Amendment 373 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: concluded if you were a Confederates soul, you were not 374 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: going to be a senator, a congressman. You were not 375 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: going to be president. You were not going to be 376 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: a federal officer. That was written into law. Now it is. 377 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: It defies reason, logic, and facts to suggest that Donald 378 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: Trumps standing up and giving a speech on January sixth, 379 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: in which he urged people to be peaceful not to 380 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: be violent, was somehow equivalent to leading a brigade in 381 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: the Civil War and fighting a war, by the way, insurrection. 382 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: So the central question here is whether or not Donald 383 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: Trump is guilty of engaging an insurrection. Now, we don't 384 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: entirely have to theorize on this. Actually, the United States 385 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: Congress has defined insurrection. So there is a statute. The 386 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: statute is eighteen usc. Section two three eight three. It 387 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 2: is entitled rebellion or insurrection. Here's the definition of it. 388 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any 389 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States 390 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort there too, 391 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: shall be fined under this title or in prison not 392 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: more than ten years, or both, and shall be incapable 393 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 2: of holding any office under the United States. So this 394 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: is defined, and it's defined specifically with regard to the 395 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: Fourteenth Amendment that if you're convicted of this under the 396 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: terms of the statute, you're disqualified under the fourteenth Amendment. Now, 397 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: interestingly enough, Jack Smith is literally trying to throw the 398 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: book at Donald Trump. He has brought two different indictments, 399 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: one in Florida, one in DC. Jack Smith is javert. 400 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: He is pursuing Jean Valjean, and he will not stop 401 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: no matter what. Jack Smith is demonstrated that he is 402 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: not constrained by the bounds of law when he went 403 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: after Bob MacDonald, the Republican governor of Virginia, when he 404 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: indicted him up destroying his political career. That ended up 405 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: being reversed unanimously by the Supreme Court nine to nothing, 406 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: actually eight to nothing because one of the justices was recused. 407 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: But the fact that it was lawless did not stop 408 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: Jack Smith. Well, you know what, Jack Smith has not 409 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: indicted Donald Trump under eighteen USC. Section two three eighty three. 410 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: He has not charged him with insurrection. Donald Trump is 411 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 2: not charged with insurrection in any court of law anywhere 412 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: in the country. And there is a reason even a 413 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: rapidly partisan obsessed prosecutor like Jack Smith, even in an 414 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: incredibly friendly venue like the District of Columbia with a 415 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: very left wing judge and with a jury pool that 416 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 2: voted ninety four percent Democrat. Even there, Jack Smith and 417 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: his team no doubt concluded, we don't have the evidence 418 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: to charge Trump with insurrection. Now what did the main 419 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: secretary of state say? 420 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: Ah? 421 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: Evidence, schme evidence. I look at a YouTube video, I 422 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: you know what. Gosh, everyone on TV says insurrection. It 423 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: must be an insurrection because every Democrat I know screams 424 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: insurrection when they look at Trump. It is a lawless determination. 425 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: And that's why. That's one of the many reasons why 426 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 2: I believe the Supreme Court will reverse the Colorado Supreme Court. 427 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: And as I said, I think there's a very good 428 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: chance they'll do so unanimously. 429 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: All Right, So let's move into the politics and the 430 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: timing of this year. We're very close now to getting 431 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: into the primaries. We're talking about Iowa, New Hampshire, and 432 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: South Carolina Center. You know this map and this calendar 433 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: and how important it is when you ran for president. 434 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: And this could linger on with this over Donald Trump's head, 435 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: with state after state trying to kick him off the ballot. 436 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: How long could we have to wait until the Supreme 437 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Court gets involved. And then how long would we have 438 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: to wait for the ruling for this to come down? 439 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Are we weeks or months? How long could this? How 440 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: does this play out the Supreme Court? Well, the appeal 441 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: is already penning at the Supreme Court. So last week, 442 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: last Wednesday, the Colorado Republican Party asked the Supreme Court 443 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: to overturn the Colorado Supreme Court's decision so that the 444 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: initial appeal papers have been filed. In the interim, Trump's 445 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: name is on the ballot and in Colorado, and that 446 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: was under the terms of the Colorado Supreme Court decision, 447 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: which which is it? They stayed their own decision pending appeal. 448 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: They recognized the massive consequences of it. So the primary 449 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: in Colorado is on March fifth, and so right now 450 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: Trump's name is on the March fifth ballot. With the 451 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: appeal filed, the court could act exceptionally quickly. The Court 452 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: could act in a matter of days or weeks. And 453 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: there are times for emergency appeals that the Court's schedules 454 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: are very expedited, briefing schedule, schedules, oral arguments, and issued 455 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: a decision. 456 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: I hope they do that. Look, there's a chance they 457 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: take their time and let it lay out, because the 458 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: Colorado Supreme Court decision is stayed, and so they could say, well, look, 459 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: he's going to be on the ballot. So there's no 460 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 2: urgency or exigency. And by the way, in Maine, there's 461 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: a good chance the main courts overturned the main Secretary 462 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 2: of State's decision. If that happens, then there is no 463 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: immediate threat to the voters being denied the ability to 464 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: elect the candidate of their choice. I hope the Court 465 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: doesn't slow down or doesn't take their time doing it. 466 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: I hope they resolve this quickly. I think it's important 467 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: to have clarity nationally. But the court has the ability. 468 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: There are times where it has briefed and heard argument 469 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: and issued decisions within a matter of days, so it 470 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: has the ability to move very quickly. During Bush versus Gore, 471 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: during those thirty six days when we had multiple recounts 472 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: in Florida, as your recall, I was part of the 473 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: legal team that was litigating Bush versus Gore. I was 474 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: down in Tallahassee representing George W. 475 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 3: Bush. 476 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: In those thirty six days, we went to the US 477 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: Supreme Court twice and within that period briefed out the case, 478 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 2: had oral argument, and had decisions two different times from 479 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: the US Supreme Court within those thirty six days. So 480 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: when the court wants to, it can move exceptionally fast. 481 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 2: I would note also that between the two look in 482 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 2: terms of the general election, the odds are not great 483 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: that Colorado is going to be a swing state. Joe 484 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: Biden won Colorado by about fourteen points last time, and 485 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: so it's Colorado is not anticipated to be a swing 486 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: state in November. Maine, interestingly enough, is so Maine has 487 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 2: an unusual way of allocating its electoral votes. Maine has 488 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: a total of four electoral votes, and two of them 489 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: go to the winner of the state, and then one 490 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: goes to the winner of one congressional district goes to 491 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: the winner of another congressional district. So Maine has two 492 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: congressional districts. What's interesting about that is, even though Maine 493 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 2: has been a reliably Democrat state in presidential elections for 494 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: some time, one of the two congressional districts in Maine 495 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: quite regularly will vote for Republicans, and so Trump one 496 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: one electoral vote out of Maine. He added one of 497 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 2: the districts he won the other three he lost, and 498 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: that could easily happen again. And listen, if this election 499 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: was quite close, it could literally come down to that 500 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: single electoral vote in Maine deciding the outcome. And so 501 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: the decision in Maine is quite consequential. It's also consequential 502 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: going forward. Do other states, in particular swing states make 503 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: the same determination. Do you see bigger states a Pennsylvania, 504 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: a Michigana, Wisconsin. Do you see states like that that 505 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: are very much in play, that very much could go 506 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: either way? Do you see them engage and try to 507 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: follow this pattern? And if these left wing partisans were 508 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: to succeed in removing Trump from the ballot, I think 509 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: the risk would be very high that you would see 510 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: other bigger and more consequential swing states following that pattern. Now, 511 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen because they're not 512 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: going to succeed. And by the way, there's an obvious 513 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: escalation at some point. If the left weaponizes the legal 514 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: system to such an extent that they try to remove 515 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: the Republican nominee from the general election ballot, you are 516 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: likely to see red states reciprocate and try to remove 517 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: the Democrat nominee from the ballot that this can be 518 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: a mutually assured destruction, which is one of the reasons 519 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any chance the Supreme Court allows 520 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: this Colorado decision to go into effect because it undermines 521 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: the ability of the voters to choose who they want 522 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: as president, and that is as foundational to democracy in 523 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: our country as anything there is. 524 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: Let me tell you about a gust of precious metals. 525 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: If you've seen the headlines lately, you know what's going 526 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: on with the economy, third highest deficit in history, the 527 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: highest rate of debt we've ever seen in this country 528 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: on credit card debt. 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I've 552 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: heard from more people that are not necessarily big fans 553 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump that are now, like, the hell with this, 554 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand behind Donald Trump because this is just 555 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: so egregious. Do you think the Democrats overplayed their hand 556 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: here politically and the backfire could be catastrophic to them, 557 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: or by the time we get to election, will a 558 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: lot of this just be forgotten. 559 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think politically this benefits Trump in the primary. 560 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: You know, rewind go back to our early podcasts last 561 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: year when the first Trump indictment, when the Alvin Bragg 562 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 2: indictment came down, You and I went on air, and 563 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: right after that indictment, I went on this podcast and 564 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: I told the podcast viewers, I said, Donald Trump will 565 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: go up ten points in the polls as a result 566 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: of this. That was a prediction I made immediately after 567 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 2: the indictment came down. A week later, Donald Trump was 568 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: up ten points in the polls, and by the way, 569 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: he's never come down since. If you look at a 570 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: year ago, the poll numbers had a much more competitive 571 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: race between Trump and Dessantus a year ago, and then 572 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: the first indictment came, and then the second, and then 573 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 2: the third, and then the fourth, and Trump's numbers went 574 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: up and up and up, and everyone else's numbers went down. 575 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: And I think one of the effects is in a 576 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: Republican primary, people rallied around Trump. Look when the Colorado 577 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: Supreme Court decision came down, all of Trump's opponents immediately 578 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: denounced it, which you had to do. 579 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 3: It. 580 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: It was a lawless abuse of power. I also think 581 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 2: the Democrats are quite fond of that. Every single Democrat 582 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: in elected office wants Trump to be the nominee. But 583 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: at the same time, so they are happy with helping 584 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: Trump in the primary because that's the outcome they want 585 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: in the general. Assuming this Colorado decision is overturned, assuming 586 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: the main decision is overturned, it could backfire. You could 587 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: see some independent swing voters get ticked off. In a 588 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: state like Maine that has independence that might have some 589 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: lasting legacy, in a state like Colorado that has some 590 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: independence that might have some impact as well. I have 591 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 2: not seen any evidence that this ABUSEI of power is 592 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: hurting Democrats in a general election. It may be the case, 593 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: but one of the challenges is that the media is 594 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: so utterly corrupt that they're by and large not reporting 595 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: on it. But I would tell listeners a verdict. Anytime 596 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: you're talking with leftists who are arguing and they're trotting 597 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 2: out language like we must save democracy, you know, it's 598 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 2: a great opportunity to say, oh, save democracy, you mean 599 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: like Colorado, like Maine, Like preventing the voters from actually 600 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 2: voting for the candidate they want to vote for explain 601 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: to me how exactly it's saving democracy to stop the 602 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 2: voters from voting for the candidate they want to vote for. 603 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 2: And I don't know of a leftist who can argue 604 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: against that other than to just jabber, you know, Trump 605 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 2: is evil, Trump is evil. Trump is evil, rather than 606 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: actually engage in reason and logic. And so I'm not 607 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 2: convinced this abuse of power will have a massive ish 608 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: impact on turnout in November, but I do think it 609 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 2: helps Trump in the primaries. 610 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 3: It's going to be a very interesting twenty twenty four. 611 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: Obviously we are going cover it all for you here 612 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: on Verdict, and Happy New Year to you and your family, 613 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: every one of you the listening, don't forget to hit 614 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: that subscribe. 615 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 3: Button, that auto download button are on Apple. 616 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: The follow button is the algorithms have changed a lot 617 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: at the end of this year, so make sure you 618 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: check and see if you have follow. 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