1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: You got a guitar for fifty bucks. He said, here, 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: play this. Maybe this will keep you out of trouble, 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: and I'll show you what I learned. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: See if you know that, then. 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: You can run away from home. 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 4: Two types of people, both that know, the Bond Brothers 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 4: and the Hopes that don't. 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: They said, hey, if you're in La, come bine. We 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: did some recordings. Like a month later they were in La. 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 5: We're here. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: We're here a nigar album. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 5: You just got that thing man, that Texas thing like. 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: Ford, piss this off. The little hot rod guys are 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: out here. 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: Look out for the Horn Brothers because that seriously dangerous people. 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 6: These are two brothers who adored each other. For me, 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 6: Stuy was Albert King. 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: Jimmy was leading a charge. It was pre rowdy. After 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: tex Flug came out. They gave me a horse. 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: When you're in the top ten, everybody wants the Grammys. 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 7: George there are good and Stevie Rayvaugh. 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: Four years later, the concerts still going on, he went 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: and got in the helicopter. 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 6: That's how that happened. 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 4: Let's uh, let's kind of mirror the documentary and start 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: at the beginning and talk about Stevie Rayvaughn, and you 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: can't do that without starting with Jimmy Vaughn who was 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: the star guitarist while his little brother played the plastic guitar. 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: Take us up through Jimmy leaving at age fourteen, because 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: that was all new to me. 31 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, this is what I tell people whenever we've shown 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 8: the film, you know, in a theater. It's all streaming 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 8: right now. But I say, most people have no idea 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 8: how big Jimmy Vaughan was. Now, he was big back 35 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 8: in the sixties, before social media and before even cell phones. 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 8: But when Jimmy Vaughan was just fifteen years old, he 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 8: opened for Jimmy Hendrix in Dallas and he and Hendricks show. 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 8: They became kind of mutual fans, and he flew on 39 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 8: the plane with Hendricks down to Houston the next day 40 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 8: to see Hendrix play down there, and the opening night 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 8: there was Billy Gibbons band moving sidewalk, but also Jimmy. 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 8: This band he was in called the Chessman. They were 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 8: huge back in the sixties in Dallas, and they actually 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 8: even had a locally produced record that got played on 45 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 8: KLF radio in Dallas, so they had a local record 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 8: they were selling it, and they were getting Airplane on 47 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 8: the radio, and they were playing all over Texas and 48 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 8: Oklahoma and the Southwest, and back then, you know, a 49 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 8: lot of bands were really making quite a bet of money. 50 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 8: I mean, the Chessman would get twelve hundred dollars a 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 8: night and not even sixty dollars to put to play 52 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 8: a fat party at SMU or a club at Arkansas 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 8: or something that. So they were making big money. And 54 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 8: Jimmy was on that, you know, at fourteen when he 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 8: joined the band, and he was staying out till two 56 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 8: in the morning and was flunking school and so finally 57 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 8: this one day he said, I'm just going to play guitar, 58 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 8: but his parents wasn't better do that. So he ran 59 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 8: away from home at fourteen and moved out of the 60 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 8: house to you know, to take to Chase's Musical Dreams, 61 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 8: which he did. And you know, really, his younger brother, 62 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 8: Steve was sitting there watching all this and wanted to 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 8: do the same thing. But as we're telling the documentary, 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 8: Stevie's parents kind of clamped down on it, and they 65 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 8: didn't want him to make the same mistake quote unquote 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 8: as Jimmy did. And drop out of high school. And 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 8: I've told people this, I don't know anybody that I 68 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 8: knew personally who quit school at fourteen and said I'm 69 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 8: going to be a professional musician and actually did it. 70 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 8: I mean most of them were wound up working back 71 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 8: at Target two weeks later, you know, or something like that. 72 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 8: But both Bond brothers dropped out of school when they 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 8: were teenagers and became professional musicians that actually made it. 74 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 8: And I just had never seen anybody do that before, 75 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 8: and so that was part of the amazing story to me. 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 8: There are a lot of amazing things about them, but 77 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 8: that was one of the ones right there. 78 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 4: And that brings us to the development of Stevie Ravaugh. 79 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: I mean, everybody knows, even if they can't name five 80 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 4: songs that Stevie Ravaugh was behind, they know he was 81 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: a legend. 82 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: You know. 83 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: At Zilker Park in Austin, I remember just being blown 84 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: away at the monument to Stevie Ravaugh that is in 85 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 4: his size. I mean it was he five six, five seven, 86 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 4: but it has the monument that the beauty of the 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: monument Corey Morrows, the one that first showed me this 88 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 4: for moment, the beauty of the monument is that the shadow. 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 4: It has a bronze shadow that goes behind him. I 90 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: don't know, maybe thirty feet. That shows, you know that 91 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: everybody who came behind it that it was as if 92 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 4: the monument was moving the honey. It was bigger than 93 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: just a monument. But Stevie Ray is the star that 94 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 4: we know of. But Jimmy was the one who goes 95 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: off and is this you know, starts off and Stevie 96 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 4: Ray is playing his little plastic guitar. He starts learning, 97 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 4: He's coming up and Stevie becomes a star of national acclaim. 98 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 4: Jimmy during all of this is developing on his own 99 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: and he is this incredible guitarist doing amazing things people 100 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: don't realize and. 101 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 6: Talk if you would. 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: My favorite part of the whole movie was what was 103 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: happening at the room in this scene that Billy Gibbons 104 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: wrote about. Was it low down in the street and 105 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: the vibe of this Monday night. They took Monday, it 106 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 4: was a blues Monday, and then eventually Stevie Ray starts 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 4: playing on Sunday. And they said, if there were forty 108 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 4: people there, it was special. But the forty people who 109 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: were there were loving that moment and that was kind 110 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: of a high point. It was almost nobody experiencing it, 111 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: but it was so instrumental, seminal to the movement that 112 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: was happening. 113 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 8: Yes, and that's that's really wherever the vond Brothers played, 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 8: And let's be honest, they were playing dumpy little clubs 115 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 8: in Texas. I don't care how much nostalgia you have, 116 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 8: you know, most of those clubs were dumps. I mean 117 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 8: that they had no VIP seeing or bottle service. So 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 8: but the thing was, there was such a scene, and 119 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 8: that's what I've tried to do in this film. Because 120 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 8: you can go online and hear every single Sea Gray 121 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 8: Vaughan song, you watch videos of all concerts, but there 122 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 8: was such a there was such a vibe or of 123 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 8: feeling and excitement for me there and I think most 124 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 8: people miss nowadays that when you were there, you were 125 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 8: you thought you were part of something special because they 126 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 8: would just you know, draw these eclectic clouds. And the 127 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 8: thing I tried to tell people is back when I 128 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 8: was watching them and Buddy, there was always somebody famous 129 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 8: in the audience wherever these guys played. I mean, whether 130 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 8: it was Robert Fann or led Zeppyrt, or Dicky Betts 131 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 8: or Dwayne Almond or you know we show in the 132 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 8: film Howard Hessman who was doctor Johnny Fever on w 133 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 8: k RP in Cincinnati, or Billy Gibbons. I saw him 134 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 8: at a gig at FitzGeralds. I would look around these 135 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 8: you know, these gigs, and it was always somebody famous 136 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 8: because even really good guitar players, you know, they wanted 137 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 8: to see these guys, so they'd heard about them to 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 8: word of mouth. You got to go see these guys, 139 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 8: and so it was just, uh, Jimmy had a great 140 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 8: quote back then. He said, hey, we're when we're playing, 141 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 8: it's be there or b square, And that's how it was. 142 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 8: You know, if you wanted to be hip or with it. 143 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 8: You we had a Vawn Brothers gig, but they just attracted 144 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 8: an incredibly attracted cloud and always put on an incredible 145 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 8: show and just there's a lot of energy in the 146 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 8: room that, like I say, can't be captured on video. 147 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: Kurt Cameron of the famous Growing Pains Man. 148 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 8: If it worked for Growing Pains, I wouldn't be on 149 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 8: the Michael Bank Show. 150 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: Do you have. 151 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 7: By all accounts, if Stevie and Double Trouble took the 152 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 7: stage to open for someone, they gave it back to 153 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 7: him in shambles. One of the traits that define a 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 7: hero is courage, and Stevie had incredible courage because he 155 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 7: fought to overcome the demons of drug and alcohol addiction, 156 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 7: and when he did, he returned to the stage and 157 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 7: even better guitar player for it. The only reason that 158 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 7: I know exactly what sobriety meant to Stevie in his 159 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 7: heart and soul is because he had the courage to 160 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 7: talk openly about it on stage. And so because of Stevie, 161 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 7: I grew up proudly turning down every drug and drink 162 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 7: ever offered to me, because in my mind, that could 163 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 7: bring me closer. 164 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 8: To being like the man I never met and never could. 165 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 7: Stevie was the ultimate guitar hero, and heroes live forever 166 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 7: on behalf of every guitar player and every blues lover. 167 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 7: It is the honor of a lifetime to induct Stevie 168 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 7: Rayvaughn and Double Trouble into the Rock and Roll Hall 169 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 7: of Film. 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: The documentary is called Brothers in Blues. It's about Stevie 171 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 4: ray Vaughn and Jimmy Vaughan. It's a wonderful watch. You 172 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: can see it on every platform, I think, except for Netflix. 173 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: Just look up Stevie Ravugh including if you don't have 174 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 4: any of those on YouTube, it is worth watching. And 175 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: Kirby Warnock is the filmmaker who made it. I strongly 176 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 4: encourage you to watch it. What makes them so special? 177 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: A lot of guys have played a guitar. Clapton talked 178 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 4: about watching them play and how special it was. Billy 179 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: Gibbons talked about listening to them and wanting. 180 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 6: To repeat that. 181 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 4: What was so special about what they were doing for 182 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: a non guitar How do you explain that? 183 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 8: Well, it's like the guitar became an extension of their body, 184 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 8: you know. I mean, it's they did stuff. And here's 185 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 8: the thing people don't understand or a non guitar player. 186 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 8: If you watch almost every rock guitarist, they've got all 187 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 8: these pedals they step on, you know, to make their 188 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 8: guitar sound this way or that way. These guys did 189 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 8: everything right out of their hands. They stretched and mit 190 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 8: the neck and the strings and got all these sounds 191 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 8: using their hands. And they got that style from Freddy 192 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 8: Kane basically. But they took it to another level. And 193 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 8: just that they didn't need I called it cheating. They 194 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 8: didn't need to cheat with a pedal or sustain or 195 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 8: wild all that stuff. They didn't need all that stuff. 196 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 8: They were able to get that with a Fender strat 197 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 8: plugged straight into a Fender amp. It was just their 198 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 8: guitar and a chord runner that amp. There was nothing 199 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 8: in between it. And just the fact that they were 200 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 8: able to get all these incredible sounds, and both of them. 201 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 8: You know, we all are in all when we see 202 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 8: Steven play on his back about his neck, But Jimmy 203 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 8: was doing that, you know, with the chess Men and 204 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 8: then with the Fabus Thunderbirds before Stevene got big. I mean, 205 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 8: so that really, Jimmy was the first guy I saw 206 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 8: do that. And I know that other people have done it, 207 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 8: like Peter Walker and I that, but Jimmy was the 208 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 8: only guy and Steve the only ones I saw who 209 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 8: could play these incredible, difficult licks behind their neck and 210 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 8: behind the back. But that was the main thing. They 211 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 8: were just so raw. Here's them trying to make it shorter. 212 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 8: If you heard a famous rock man to go play 213 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 8: a concert, they would have to set up do a 214 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 8: sound check and make sure all their equipment's worked the right, 215 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 8: to make sure he's petals and effects working. Jimmy and 216 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 8: Steven you could plug into an outlet behind a dairy 217 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 8: queen and sound incredible. They just they just it was 218 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 8: just such a raw, unfiltered guitar sound that was just 219 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 8: so distinct to them. You know when they when they're playing, 220 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 8: you can tell it's stem just about the sound. 221 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: You know. 222 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: There was a reference to I believe it was Stevie 223 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: Ray playing with Jimmy Hendrix, but I feel like Jimmy 224 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: was maybe the one you were interviewing during this discussion. 225 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: And Jimmy Hendrix's equipment had his amp had busted, some 226 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 4: piece his pedal had busted, and so they he handed his, 227 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 4: he traded his, and he got a piece of junk. 228 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: And it turns out Jimmy Hendrix was playing with junk. 229 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 6: He was just that good. Can you tell that story again? 230 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 8: Yeah, this is one of the stories I've heard about, 231 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 8: but I wanted to get on filmed. I'd always heard 232 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 8: that when Jimmy Vaughn opened for Jimmy Hendrix in Dallas, 233 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 8: that they had traded wah wah pedals and so I 234 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 8: asked Jimmy about that. He goes, no, here's what happened. 235 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 8: Kendricks had a wahwah pedal, but it was broken and 236 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 8: he couldn't use it the concert that night, and so 237 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 8: it was a Saturday night. They couldn't go to the 238 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 8: music store and buy a new pedal. So they knew 239 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 8: that I had won with the chess men, and they 240 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 8: came to me and said, we'll give you this much 241 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 8: money for that wah wah pedal, and we'll give you 242 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 8: Jimmy Hendrix his old pedal, and he said sure, So 243 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 8: he did that, and so Jimmy Vaughan got the way. 244 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 6: It was fifty bucks if I remember. 245 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 8: Correctly, that's he said. It's either seventeen or fifty dollars 246 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 8: that I can't remember, but he got the broken Walla pedal. 247 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 8: He met Hendrix. They talked to me like that and 248 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 8: they swapped Walla pedals. But he said, basically they needed 249 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 8: minds that works, and his was broken. And Jimmy does 250 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 8: have that pedal, and in the documentary he says, I 251 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 8: think I've got it. He's being kind of coy about it, 252 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 8: but it's on his mantle at his house. I've been 253 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 8: and seen it. You know, he's very proud of that, 254 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 8: as would be anybody, my gosh, you know, but Hendrix 255 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 8: was a big fan of there. He thought they were 256 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 8: really something, that that Jimmy Wahmer's really something. And like 257 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 8: I say, you know, Jimmy Vaughn and to the Chessman 258 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 8: traveled down to Houston with Hendricks on the plane for 259 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 8: the next gig, you know there, so they you know, 260 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 8: and this again, this is at fifteen, you know, I mean, 261 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 8: my gosh, I mean, how many of the office there 262 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 8: would be the peak in our lives if we opened 263 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 8: up with Hendrix and met him, then then we'd go 264 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 8: be it has been. But you know that was Jimmy 265 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 8: just keept on going from there. And as we tell 266 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 8: the documentary, I know, me personally, I don't think that 267 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 8: there would be a Stevie Vonn who wasn't the Jimmy 268 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 8: vaugh And goes. Stevie learned how to play guitar from Jimmy. 269 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 8: They shared a bedroom. Stevie watched Jimmy learning these songs. 270 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 8: They had one record player. They all both learned off 271 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 8: five And I just had always thought that all these 272 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 8: other productions about Stevie Vaughan. They left Jimmy out of there, 273 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 8: and I didn't understand that because what I had seen 274 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 8: with my own eyes was that they both admired each other. 275 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 8: And Stevie told me that Jimmy taught him out to 276 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 8: play his first song of the guitar, I mean when 277 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 8: I did an interview with him, and so I didn't 278 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 8: understand what that was always being left out. But and 279 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 8: that was one of the things that drove me to 280 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 8: do this, that we've got to tell the story both 281 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 8: of them. We can't just tell You can't tell Stevie's 282 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 8: story without telling Jimmy's story first. 283 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: And what a great story and the kind of brotherly 284 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 4: love and the rivalry that goes into it is a 285 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: big part of this story. And one of the things 286 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 4: you captured was, you know, Jimmy goes off and is 287 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: very successful. Stevie comes in later and despite all his demons, 288 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: he's very successful and they've. 289 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 6: Both cleaned up. 290 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: They both had terrible, terrible addiction, Stevie first and I 291 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 4: think Jimmy five years later, and then they reconnect. They 292 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: get into the studio TikTok is. I guess the biggest 293 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 4: hit to come out of that album. The album is 294 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 4: not yet complete when Stevie dies too early in this 295 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 4: in this helicopter crash, and Jimmy goes back in and 296 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 4: they finish it a month later. So this is kind 297 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 4: of his posthumous tribute to his brother. But all those 298 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: years and they had never they had never recorded together, 299 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 4: and how special that was that they would get to 300 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 4: do that. I thought you told that story so poignantly. 301 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 8: Well again, I'm going back to I was mainly telling 302 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 8: what I saw when I was at Buddy Mage League. 303 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 8: When I was talking to Jimmy, he said, you know, 304 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 8: I want to make a director for Stevie. He told 305 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 8: me that back in line nineteen seventy nine, you know, 306 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 8: he said, and he used to say, the only divers 307 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 8: street Stevie and me and Stevie can sing, and you'r 308 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 8: And now Jimmy started singing. But back being Jimmy never sang, 309 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 8: would have had a sunder version of that. But he'd 310 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 8: always wanted to make a record with Stevie, and he 311 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 8: said that before, and then they finally get to do it. 312 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 8: They're set to make a big tour in support of 313 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 8: the album. You know. Now Rogers produces the LP, They've 314 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 8: assembled a band, they're gonna go on tour like that, 315 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 8: and then Stevie dies in the helicopter crash. So they 316 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 8: had all these, you know, big plans, and they had 317 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 8: the record recorded and just bang, it just all just 318 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 8: ends right there and that and after Stevie and after 319 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 8: they've gotten dried out, and it was like that. So 320 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 8: it seemed extremely unfair that a guy gets his life together, 321 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 8: finally gets to record this album with his brother. It's 322 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 8: gonna the song TikTok is gonna clim the charts, and 323 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 8: you're gonna go on a tour and then he dies. 324 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 8: I mean, uh, And that the the unfairness of all 325 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 8: that has always bothered me. But I don't know what 326 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 8: to do about it. But it all just kind of 327 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 8: crushed me that they were just working so hard, things 328 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 8: were looking up and then then this happens. 329 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 4: We'll continue our conversation with Kirby Warnock about his documentary 330 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: is called Brothers in Blues about Stevie Ray Vaughan and 331 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 4: his brother Jimmy Vaughan, and it is wonderful. 332 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 5: Under about leadership, we will regain energy independence, massive energy 333 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 5: dominant Stabbin and Stabbin and Stabbin and Stalbin and Stabin. 334 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: Here we are to Anton's. 335 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 8: I don't know what year it was. 336 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: We're all standing around this Albert King show. 337 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: It's packed. 338 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: It's like Saturday night. If you ever saw Albert King play, 339 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: he's like Goliath with the guitar. He's the meanest, baddest 340 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: guitar player you've ever heard of. He looked at Anton 341 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: and says, hey, I have this kid that I want 342 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: you to. Let's sit in and play with you. 343 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you know, I often think about the time. 344 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: You would come in Drag and you a little get, 345 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: they said, I want to fit in the say Stevens, Yeah, 346 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: Albert King's got ten hits. I mean he's hot. Albert 347 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: just kind of looks at at Clifford like you're crazy. 348 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 6: Who is Stevie? Yeah, I would bring him on out. 349 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: He was a little offended, and he said, okay, bring 350 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: him up. I think they were he was going to 351 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: do a number on him. Stevie plugged in and you know, 352 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: and started playing Albert King legs and doing him really good. 353 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: So Albert just sort of went okay, and he just 354 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: sort of took him under his wing. I wouldn't have 355 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: dared gotten up there. I don't think anybody in the 356 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: room would have got up there. You don't go and 357 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: ask Albert King, can I sit in? It's crazy. He 358 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: didn't like anybody else, but he like Steve. 359 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 4: If you out, Kirby Warnock is our guest. The documentary 360 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: is Brothers in Blues. You can find it on almost 361 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 4: every platform except for Netflix. 362 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 6: It's it's just about everywhere else. 363 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 4: It's five bucks money well spent. I don't know that 364 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 4: Kirby will ever recover the money that he spent of 365 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 4: his own creating this thing, but it's a story I 366 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: think you will. 367 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 6: Enjoy, particularly a Texas audience that you know. 368 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: He describes in the movie the boys watching the the 369 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 4: Beatles and that and realizing then that we can make 370 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: that kind of music. 371 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 6: But it is. 372 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: It was described as here's a a line from it. 373 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: But they got to perform with Jimmy Hendrix, Eric Clapton, 374 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: Billy Gibbons, David Bowie, Jackson Brown, and Carlos Santana. Their 375 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 4: life was a baby boomer's rock and roll dream come true. 376 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: I'm glad Kirby told this story, and I would encourage 377 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 4: you to watch this because I think you will thoroughly 378 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 4: enjoy it. I didn't know most of what I learned. 379 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 4: I just had a very passing knowledge of this. But Kirby, 380 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: my takeaway was, I didn't realize what a driving force 381 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 4: Jimmy was. And I've always enjoyed the music of the 382 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 4: Fabulous Thunderbirds, but I never really dug in, you know, 383 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 4: beyond Kim Wilson being this this you know, very good 384 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: harmonica player and the lead singer and kind of this 385 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 4: kind of funky vibe, how they dressed and all this, 386 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: and I knew Jimmy Vaughan was in the band, and 387 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 4: I kind. 388 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 6: Of always thought, oh, he's, you know, Stevie ra Vaughan's younger. 389 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 6: Of course he's not. He's older and inspirational. 390 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: But I always thought he's just, you know, the brother 391 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 4: of Stevie Ravaughn. That the only reason his name has 392 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 4: ever known. This was his band before Kim Wilson. This 393 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: was him his band, and he was the driving force 394 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 4: behind him. Talk a little bit about Jimmy Vaughan's career, 395 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 4: because I think that's the real one of the big 396 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: takeaways from this movie. 397 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 8: Yes, he created a fab with Thunderbirds, and he told 398 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 8: me years ago when I was interviewing, he said, you know, 399 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 8: I don't need to be the guy out front with 400 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 8: a guitar. I want to be part of a band. 401 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 8: And he always was. He assembled that band and put 402 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 8: it together and like that, and so he always wanted 403 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 8: to do that. And like he said, he said, I 404 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 8: want to fill in all the holes with my guitar, 405 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 8: and he would play rhythm and lead at the same time, 406 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 8: you know, which I've never seen that done before, but 407 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 8: he had put he when he was the Chess Men, 408 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 8: they did all covers. They madly covered you know, Cream 409 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 8: and Hendrix and led Zeppem. But he'd always wanted to 410 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 8: play the blues because that's what he had first heard. 411 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 8: His first songs he learned, were off the Nightcaps album. 412 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 8: In The Nightcaps were a white blues band out of Dallas, 413 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 8: and he's going up listening to you know, Albert King. 414 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 8: And then a friend, Paul Ray, took him to see 415 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 8: Key Boon Walker the Black Club in Dallas, and he said, 416 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 8: I always wanted to play that kind of music, but 417 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 8: I had to play what was on the radio. And 418 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 8: so he moved awsin and just made the decision to 419 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 8: play just the blues and they you know, they like 420 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 8: you mentioned was in a documentary. Sometimes they had pretty 421 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 8: light clouds at their gigs, but they eventually built a 422 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 8: big following. And he just wanted to play the kind 423 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 8: of music he wanted to play. And that's, you know, 424 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 8: that kind of commitment. You hear other artists talk about 425 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 8: it like that, but these guys, they lived it. They decided, 426 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 8: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna eat out of a dumpster, 427 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 8: sleep on a pool table rather than did a day job. 428 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 8: And they both committed to doing that, and they and 429 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 8: once they made the commitment, they sew it on through. 430 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 8: But yes, he formed the Fabus Thunderbirds, got the band together, 431 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 8: and then after a while he wanted to go in 432 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 8: another direction. And so he's got his own and now 433 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 8: the tilta World band, and also the Jimmy Vob Trio 434 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 8: that plays on at Sea Boys in Austin a lot. 435 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 8: And he's still touring. He's seventy one years old, and 436 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 8: I'm sorry, seventy two. He kind of like the Wilding 437 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 8: Neils on the Blues. He's just still on the road 438 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 8: and playing. And it's incredible to see go see a 439 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 8: guy like this in person, you know, I was very blessed. 440 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 8: I got to see Muddy Waters, FEddi King, Albert King, 441 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 8: you know, and Lighton Hopkins play when I was a buddy. 442 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 8: Those guys are all still alive, and so I would 443 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 8: urge people to go see Jimmy play while he still can. 444 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 8: You know, he got the chance. But back to your question, Yes, 445 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 8: Jimmy was a driving force in all the bands he assembled. 446 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 8: And really the Thunderbirds got a record deal and got 447 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 8: big before Stevie did. Now, they had two albums out 448 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 8: before Stevie got Texas flood out, so they kind of 449 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 8: made it first. But then, as we tell in the film, 450 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 8: Stevie went on and kind of eclipsed Jimmy. He became 451 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 8: bigger than Jimmy, the younger brother, you know. And so 452 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 8: again I hate to keep repeating myself, but it is 453 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 8: just an incredible story that I'd been dying to tell. 454 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 4: Let me hold you right there. Kirby Warnock is our guest. 455 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 4: The movie is Brothers in Blues. You can find it 456 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 4: wherever you watch movies everywhere but Netflix basically, and we'll 457 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 4: continue our conversation about his documentary about Stevie, Ray Vaughn 458 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 4: and Jimmy Vaughan coming up. 459 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 7: It's Ramon Duck, King of Ding and this other guy, 460 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 7: Michael Barry. 461 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: Tar has been very good to me. I don't know 462 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: what I'd be doing without that. He made up three 463 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: songs the first day. 464 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 8: I'll never forget that. 465 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: But you know, he didn't have to try. It just 466 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: came out. It was really the first thing that I've 467 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 2: ever done that was so much fun that came so. 468 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 9: Natural or something, you know. I mean, it wasn't like schoolwork, 469 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 9: and it wasn't like it was fun. It wasn't a drag. 470 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: There was a set of drums in the house, and 471 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: there was a guitar, and then he got it. 472 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 9: He got one of those little guitars, those little guitars 473 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 9: with the cowboys on 'em mm and then uh, and 474 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 9: then when he started really trying to play, and I 475 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 9: would put it down and leave and say, look, don't 476 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 9: touch my guitar. 477 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: And I would leave and he would play the guitar 478 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: just as soon as I left. And it sort of 479 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: went on like that for a couple of years. 480 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 9: And then as I started getting better and everything I 481 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 9: I we would sort of I would sort of move 482 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 9: up and I I would get a better guitar and 483 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 9: then he would. 484 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: Kind of get the hand me down. Yeah, and then 485 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: you know, it just sort of went on like that, 486 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: just like normal. YEA. 487 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 9: Brothers And the day he walked into my house in Austin, 488 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 9: I moved to Austin and he was like, you know serious. 489 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: I mean I already knew it was serious, but I 490 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: mean he was never really serious. 491 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 8: Yeah. 492 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 9: I mean I'd already decided I was not gonna be 493 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 9: a dishwasher no more, and I was gonna play guitar. 494 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: You know, the parents got a little mad because I 495 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 2: moved out, and they sort of took it all out 496 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: on him, like you can't go nowhere, and you cannot 497 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 2: play the guitar, and you can't do nothing except go 498 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: to school. It didn't matter whether they liked it or not. 499 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: You know, right out I was gonna do it anyway. 500 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 4: The documentary is called Brothers in Blues. It's about Stevie 501 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 4: ray Vaughn and Jimmy Vaughan. It's a wonderful watch. You 502 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 4: can see it on every platform, I think except for Netflix. 503 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 4: Just look up Stevie Rayvaughn, including if you don't have 504 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 4: any of those on YouTube. It is worth watching and 505 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 4: Kirby Warnock is the filmmaker who made it. I strongly 506 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 4: encourage you to watch it. Kirby, I want to take 507 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: about two minutes before we close and talk about your 508 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 4: first documentary, which was over two decades ago. Everyone knows 509 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 4: the movie Giant, which was James Dean's last film. I 510 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 4: mean you talk about the stars, Dennis Hopper, Earl Holloman, 511 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 4: I mean, some real stars in that and what an 512 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 4: influential movie. It was shot in nineteen fifty five in Marfa, Texas, 513 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 4: and you made your first documentary was returned to Giant. 514 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 6: Why did you do that? 515 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 8: Well, I'm My family is from out here in the 516 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 8: Big Band. My grandfather came out to Fort Stotton over 517 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 8: one hundred years ago and started ranch here and every summer. 518 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 8: My father was born and raised on the ranch too. 519 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 8: But he married my mom, who was a girl from 520 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 8: South Mississippi, and as we all know, marriage is a compromise, 521 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 8: so they agreed to live in Mississippi. But every summer 522 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 8: and every Christmas we'd come out to the ranch of 523 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 8: Fort Stockton and stay with my grandparents. And while I 524 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 8: was a kid, while I was growing up here, you know, 525 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 8: I heard about this movie a Giant that was filmed 526 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 8: down in Martha, Texas, and my dad took my family, 527 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 8: me and my brother and my mom down there back 528 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 8: in like nineteen fifty seven, and the remains of the 529 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 8: otta were still standing on the Heavens Ranch. They were 530 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 8: a really good shape, and so we went down there 531 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 8: and that made a huge impression on me. I was 532 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 8: only five years old at time, but it was the 533 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 8: only three story building in the county outside the courthouse. 534 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 8: It was out in the middle of nowhere and then 535 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 8: of a back around it. So I really was kind 536 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 8: of confused what was going on there, but my mom 537 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 8: tried to explain it to me. And you got to 538 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 8: remember that back then, if you didn't see a movie 539 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 8: but it came out of theater and you couldn't see it. 540 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 8: There was no VHS tape, none of that. You know, 541 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 8: once a film played in the theater, it was gone. 542 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 8: And it was years later that I was at Vader 543 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 8: University about nineteen seventy two, s eighty three, and they 544 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 8: aired a Giant on NBC television. They showed it in 545 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 8: two nights because it's a fair movie. Well, I was 546 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 8: speaking of a girl for a date and I was 547 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 8: at her house and her friends, and they were showing 548 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 8: that on the TV, and all of a sudden, Rock 549 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 8: cous Ellis Taytor drive up to the Riata and I 550 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 8: saw that and went, oh, my god, I've been there, 551 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 8: you know. So I was all of a sudden I 552 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 8: got to see that movie and understand what that structure was. 553 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 8: And it took me another few years. So they finally 554 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 8: rebroadcast on Channel eight Dallas, and I stayed and launched it. 555 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 8: I just became totally fascinated by the film because it 556 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 8: was one of the only movies that they were set 557 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 8: in Texas, but they actually filmed it in Texas. You know, 558 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 8: back then dauld the Roy Rogers and Geane Archry movies 559 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 8: and even John Wayne's The Searchers, they said they were 560 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 8: in Texas, but they weren't. And so when I saw 561 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 8: that film, it looked like the Texas that I knew, 562 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 8: you know, out here entered the Big Band. And there 563 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 8: are a lot of things in that film, these little 564 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 8: rituals that I grew up with, like the first ride 565 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 8: of the horse. You know, we got home movies of 566 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 8: my grandfather putting me and my brother of the horse, 567 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 8: taking us on our first ride and these big barbecues 568 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 8: out in the middle of nowhere. The ranchers back then 569 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 8: would throw a huge barbecue, invite everybody in the country, 570 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 8: and we'd go out there and assemble at them. So 571 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 8: there were all these things in the film that looked 572 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 8: like the Texans I grew up with. I just wanted 573 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 8: to make a documentary about that mark our location shooting. 574 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 8: I didn't really care about what they shot at the 575 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 8: Warner Brothers Latin burd Bank. I wanted to talk about 576 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 8: what they didn't mark them. And so once again I 577 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 8: got a camera crew and I tracked a lot of 578 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 8: people and we put it all together. And the fact 579 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 8: that it was James D's last film, you know, gave 580 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 8: it a lot of cachet, so to speak. But really 581 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 8: I was totally enamored by one of the only movies 582 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 8: that was about Texas that was filmed in Texas and 583 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 8: also was shot on an open set. Anybody could come 584 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 8: up and watch them shooting. You know, they had any 585 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 8: security guards, and that doesn't happen now. You know, if 586 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 8: you're in all to make a movie they courting off 587 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 8: that twenty blocks. 588 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah. 589 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 4: Even if you haven't seen Giant everybody kind of has 590 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 4: a sense that this is a legendary movie. I think 591 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 4: of the old Robert Earl Keene line in the Front 592 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 4: Porch song where he's talking about the palace on a 593 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 4: main street in Texas in a sixty two poster that's 594 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 4: almost faded down and a screen without a picture. 595 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 6: Since Giant came to town. Oh man, what a line. 596 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 4: I mean, if you don't know of a town on 597 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 4: an old on an old highway in Texas that that describes, 598 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 4: then you hadn't been on a road. 599 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 6: Trip, that is for sure. Kirby Warnock, this is a 600 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 6: wonderful project you've done. I tell you what. 601 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 4: Before I give you the praise of how well you've 602 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 4: done and how much I enjoyed your film, tell folks 603 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 4: how they can go and watch it. 604 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 8: Yes, right now, you can get an Apple TV, iTunes, Amazon, 605 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 8: Voodoo YouTube. As we said, we're on about every platform 606 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 8: except Netflix because they always want to buy an exclusion. 607 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 8: But if you just go to Amazon or Apple TV 608 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 8: or iTunes and just do a search, you know they're 609 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 8: Jimmy and Stevie yvon brothers in Blues or on Amazon 610 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 8: if you just search Stevie Yvaugh we'll come up there 611 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 8: like that. So I would urge everybody to watch it 612 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 8: for me that way. And also if you don't have 613 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 8: those streaming platforms, everybody's got YouTube, if you can rent 614 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 8: it on YouTube, but watch it, be it well. 615 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 4: I will tell you, folks, it is. It is well 616 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 4: worth the time, and you will thoroughly enjoy it. I 617 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: stopped it and rewound because I heard them say things 618 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: that I was not aware of that contradicted kind of 619 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 4: the conventional wisdom on you know, who wrote this song 620 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: and who did this and who did this. It's it's 621 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 4: really really incredibly well done, fascinating storyteller. 622 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 6: Kirby Warnot, Thank you, my man, thank you. 623 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 8: Thank you for this opportunity. Mike God greatly appreciate it.