1
00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,600
Speaker 1: I want my children safe, don't you? But are we

2
00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,639
Speaker 1: all doing everything we can to protect them? Safety and

3
00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,200
Speaker 1: security is priceless. Don't wait to plan and prepare until

4
00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,400
Speaker 1: it's too late. I can't stop predators from being in

5
00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,120
Speaker 1: this world, but I can sound the warning and pass

6
00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,680
Speaker 1: on to you what I have learned about keeping your

7
00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,400
Speaker 1: children and family safe. And that is why we are

8
00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,639
Speaker 1: launching a brand new online education course, Justice Nation. Crime

9
00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,720
Speaker 1: Stops Here, a brand new five episode video master series

10
00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,600
Speaker 1: allows you to go at your own pace as world

11
00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:44,239
Speaker 1: class experts and personal safety and child protection share their knowledge,

12
00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,520
Speaker 1: their chips, their resources, all for you. Go to Nancy

13
00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,080
Speaker 1: Grace dot com now use promo code Nancy for off

14
00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:58,200
Speaker 1: or go to crime stops here dot com for your

15
00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,320
Speaker 1: sake and for the sake of your children at people

16
00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,279
Speaker 1: you love know what to do, when to do it,

17
00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,840
Speaker 1: and how to do it. Available now Nancy Grace dot

18
00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,000
Speaker 1: com and register using promo code Nancy or crime stops

19
00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:21,399
Speaker 1: here dot com promo code Nancy. Crime Stories with Nancy

20
00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,920
Speaker 1: Grace in this small town of the news traveled fast

21
00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,040
Speaker 1: from the w t m J Breaking News Center and

22
00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,560
Speaker 1: Amber alert issued for a thirteen year old from Baron

23
00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,480
Speaker 1: Jamie Cross has been missing for nearly twenty four hours. Now,

24
00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,160
Speaker 1: every scenario starts racing through your mind. You know where

25
00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,880
Speaker 1: is she? Is she okay? Is she scared? Christine Fink

26
00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,000
Speaker 1: has taught Jamie dance for the past seven years. She's

27
00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,320
Speaker 1: one of the kids here and I we just have

28
00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,120
Speaker 1: to find her. Jamie went missing overnight from this home

29
00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,120
Speaker 1: off Highway eight, according to the Sheriff's Department. That's where

30
00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,440
Speaker 1: she lived with her parents. Just after one am, Sheriff's

31
00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,120
Speaker 1: Department responded to a nine one one call here and

32
00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,840
Speaker 1: found James and Denise Class debt tipline tipline eight five

33
00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,120
Speaker 1: five seven four four three eight seven nine repeat eight

34
00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,880
Speaker 1: five five seven four four three eight seven nine. Police

35
00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,880
Speaker 1: now tracing a nine one one call after a Wisconsin girl,

36
00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:28,160
Speaker 1: a little Wisconsin girl goes missing and her parents found dead.

37
00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,160
Speaker 1: The search is on right now for Jamie Class Imancy Grace.

38
00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,480
Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

39
00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,919
Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friend at k A r

40
00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,320
Speaker 1: E t VS. Danny Spewalk reporting along with Christine Fink,

41
00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,000
Speaker 1: who runs a dance studio where Jamie was a student.

42
00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,160
Speaker 1: Where is this girl? Straight out to John Limley, Crime

43
00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,320
Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter where you can find the

44
00:02:54,320 --> 00:03:00,640
Speaker 1: whole story as it's progressing. John Limley first, Who, what, Where? When? Why?

45
00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,000
Speaker 1: Hit me? Nancy? This case is just about his heartbreaking

46
00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,120
Speaker 1: and his baffling as they come. One of the Class

47
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,800
Speaker 1: family's relatives, Ed Downing, says that this is a family

48
00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,760
Speaker 1: that was happy, go lucky. Those are his words. Uh.

49
00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,160
Speaker 1: Ed says that Denise and Jamie especially got along exceptionally well.

50
00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,440
Speaker 1: Jamie a bright, intelligent girl, always with a big smile

51
00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,120
Speaker 1: on her face, just like her mother. And as for

52
00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,480
Speaker 1: the whole family, they always seemed like everything was going

53
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,800
Speaker 1: great for them. Both Denise and her husband, James Class

54
00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,880
Speaker 1: worked at Jenny O, a turkey plant in Baron. This

55
00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,920
Speaker 1: is a town of about thirty people. Need to tell

56
00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,320
Speaker 1: me about Gennio because that's what we used for Thanksgiving

57
00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,520
Speaker 1: and Christmas. You can't mess it up. I wonder where that. Yeah,

58
00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,240
Speaker 1: you gotta get one. One time, I got one all

59
00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 1: the way in California and put in the cargo bay

60
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,440
Speaker 1: so I could get it back. Okay, forget about Jenny.

61
00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,880
Speaker 1: I want to get back to this because I'm telling

62
00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,800
Speaker 1: you what's really disturbing me. John Limley, you're kind of

63
00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,800
Speaker 1: burying the lead, Limly, because this little girl, Jamie class

64
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,320
Speaker 1: right now, cops deploying k nines and releasing brand new

65
00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,160
Speaker 1: photos of Jamie, the little girl who's missing. Parents found

66
00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,800
Speaker 1: dead in the family Wisconsin home. Because we are learning

67
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,320
Speaker 1: now from relatives, those sources that the front door of

68
00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,839
Speaker 1: the house was shot in and the parents were shot dead.

69
00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,320
Speaker 1: The little girl is gone, Limly, is that correct? That

70
00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,520
Speaker 1: is correct? This is the wee hours of Monday morning.

71
00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,839
Speaker 1: The Baron County Sheriff's Department receives a strange nine one

72
00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,800
Speaker 1: one call. It's almost like a misplaced call, like when

73
00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,120
Speaker 1: you accidentally place a call. There's lots of shuffling, a

74
00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of noise in the background. According to some sources,

75
00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,719
Speaker 1: the uh the word help is heard in the background.

76
00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:05,760
Speaker 1: As with such aces, of course, officers are dispatched. They

77
00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,880
Speaker 1: find the two adults dead inside and as you said,

78
00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,640
Speaker 1: a violent scene involving gunshots. I want you to take

79
00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,080
Speaker 1: a listen to more reporting what we are learning right

80
00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,719
Speaker 1: now about Jamie's disappearance. Boom and then boom. Just seconds

81
00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,960
Speaker 1: after this neighbor heard two gunshots. Other than that, Sheriff

82
00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,320
Speaker 1: Chris Fitzgerald says the home seemed in order with cars

83
00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,360
Speaker 1: still in the driveway, and we believe everything is accounted. Um,

84
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,440
Speaker 1: we just don't know where this thirteen year old girl

85
00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,440
Speaker 1: is and Jamie Claus is her name. By three thirty pm,

86
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,640
Speaker 1: and Amber Alert had been issued, meaning law enforcement has

87
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,520
Speaker 1: reason to believe in abduction occurred and that Jamie could

88
00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,440
Speaker 1: be in immediate danger. The FBI and National Center for

89
00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,320
Speaker 1: Missing and Exploited Children are working on this case, but

90
00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,040
Speaker 1: they have not said anything about how Jamie disappeared or

91
00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,960
Speaker 1: who may have taken her with me. In addition to

92
00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,000
Speaker 1: John Limley, Crime online dot com reporter Ashley Wilcot, Juveni'll

93
00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,200
Speaker 1: judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Dr

94
00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,640
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of the hit show Fatal

95
00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:13,320
Speaker 1: Vows on Investigation, Discovery and forensics, expert Professor Forensics Jacksonville

96
00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,760
Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. Joseph

97
00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,919
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan Ashley, the door is shot in, both parents dead.

98
00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,520
Speaker 1: You just heard a neighbor along with Danny Spiewalk describing

99
00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,440
Speaker 1: hearing two gunshot wounds only and she's gone. The cars

100
00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,640
Speaker 1: are in the driveway. That tells me there was no carjack.

101
00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,480
Speaker 1: They said the house was in order. That means no robbery.

102
00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,520
Speaker 1: What does that mean? No sex attack? They went in

103
00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,799
Speaker 1: to get the girl, Ashley, right, and so she's a victim.

104
00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,080
Speaker 1: Whether she walked out literally on her own two feet,

105
00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,160
Speaker 1: or was abducted carried out. Either way, she was abducted.

106
00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,960
Speaker 1: She's the victim. It reminds me of a smart it

107
00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,679
Speaker 1: really does, because she's been abducted. I think she's still alive.

108
00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,160
Speaker 1: Hopes and prayers she's still alive, but who knows what

109
00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,480
Speaker 1: purposes they've taken her for and she's now a victim

110
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,440
Speaker 1: and has been kidnapped. I want you to take a

111
00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,920
Speaker 1: listen to Jamie Claus's dance instructorcared that nobody knows anything,

112
00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,320
Speaker 1: I think says she had just been texting with Denise

113
00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,720
Speaker 1: Class over the weekend about Jamie's dance schedule today. Coming

114
00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,280
Speaker 1: into work, I was going to try to find another

115
00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,600
Speaker 1: class for her, and instead we're doing that. I think

116
00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,040
Speaker 1: described the feeling in town as a panic. But there's nothing,

117
00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,080
Speaker 1: there's no information, and somebody needs to come forward with

118
00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,160
Speaker 1: some information. We have to find her. To Dr Brian Russell,

119
00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,560
Speaker 1: host of I d s hit series Fatal Vows Think

120
00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,920
Speaker 1: about it. Dr Brian think she is on a dance team.

121
00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,880
Speaker 1: She is also a runner in the cross country team.

122
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,560
Speaker 1: She this little girl who was is turned thirteen, she's

123
00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,840
Speaker 1: just a little over twelve years old, is in a

124
00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:10,640
Speaker 1: lot of positions where predators can see her. Not only that,

125
00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,720
Speaker 1: but she's also and involved enough and connected enough to things.

126
00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,160
Speaker 1: Is one of the things that we look at when

127
00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,440
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out if somebody is a runaway

128
00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,920
Speaker 1: or somebody is you know, taken against their will, is

129
00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,560
Speaker 1: were they enjoying things they were involved in? Did they

130
00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,200
Speaker 1: have plans to see people and do things in the

131
00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,000
Speaker 1: near future. And it sounds like this girl really did.

132
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,000
Speaker 1: And also obviously, you know, the shooting in at the

133
00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,480
Speaker 1: front door suggests that you know, she was not you know,

134
00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 1: involved in letting the people into the house who were

135
00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,400
Speaker 1: involved in doing the shooting or anything like that. But

136
00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,199
Speaker 1: it just it all comes together to sort of further

137
00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,080
Speaker 1: the idea that this is not what I think maybe

138
00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people might have assumed when they first heard, okay, uh,

139
00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,760
Speaker 1: these two parents are killed in the girl is missing

140
00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,840
Speaker 1: that that maybe you know, she and a boyfriend did it.

141
00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,520
Speaker 1: Or something into God. Yeah, we're not hearing that. And

142
00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,760
Speaker 1: you know what, Dr Brian, I don't think that happened,

143
00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,400
Speaker 1: and I never even suspected it. But there are those

144
00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,520
Speaker 1: bizarre cases where the child is involved. Joseph Scott Morrigan,

145
00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,120
Speaker 1: the sheriff, is saying she is not a suspect, the

146
00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,440
Speaker 1: little girl, she's a victim, right, Yeah, yeah, that's what

147
00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm hearing, Nancy. And back to the scene. I'm thinking,

148
00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, wy fire through the door, if that is

149
00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,520
Speaker 1: in fact what happened. Uh, we're hearing the neighbors saying

150
00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,200
Speaker 1: that they heard gunshots and uh it has at least

151
00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,400
Speaker 1: been alluded to that the parents have been shot as well.

152
00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,920
Speaker 1: Is this And this is another big concern I have, Nancy,

153
00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,200
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that this little girl has not been

154
00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,720
Speaker 1: harmed in all of this, including trying to specuber the house.

155
00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,280
Speaker 1: You can imagine how terrified she was if she was

156
00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,800
Speaker 1: present when her parents were murdered. Take a listen to

157
00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,760
Speaker 1: the Baron County Sheriff Christmas SHERYLD Middle School where she

158
00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,720
Speaker 1: attends school. We have officers are today working with anybody

159
00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,240
Speaker 1: that may have any bit of information. Well, I won't

160
00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,360
Speaker 1: say the public. There's no immediate danger that we know of,

161
00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,120
Speaker 1: but we don't. We have a lot of unknowns in

162
00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,920
Speaker 1: this case. And that's the frustrating part in the law

163
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,720
Speaker 1: enforce of world is the unknowns that we were hitting

164
00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,400
Speaker 1: with this case. So to say the public is not

165
00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,319
Speaker 1: in danger, I can't say that, but I want the

166
00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,480
Speaker 1: public to be aware. We know of no immediate danger

167
00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,640
Speaker 1: tipline eight five five seven four four three eight seven

168
00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,360
Speaker 1: nine repeat eight five five seven four four three eight

169
00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,000
Speaker 1: seven nine in this small town of thirty The news

170
00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,680
Speaker 1: traveled fast from the w t m J Breaking News

171
00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,400
Speaker 1: Center and amber alert issued for a thirteen year old

172
00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,200
Speaker 1: from Baron. Jamie Coross has been missing for nearly twenty

173
00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,000
Speaker 1: four hours. Now, every scenario starts racing through your mind.

174
00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,360
Speaker 1: You know where is she? Is she okay? Is she scared?

175
00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,200
Speaker 1: Christine Fink has taught Jamie dance for the past seven years.

176
00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,520
Speaker 1: She's one of the kids here and I we just

177
00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,080
Speaker 1: have to find her. Jamie went missing overnight from this

178
00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,040
Speaker 1: home off Highway eight, according to the Sheriff's Department. That's

179
00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,800
Speaker 1: where she lived with her parents. Just after one am,

180
00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,640
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department responded to a nine one one call

181
00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,000
Speaker 1: here and found James and Denise Class Day. We are

182
00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,719
Speaker 1: taking your calls everyone. This little girl who has just

183
00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,480
Speaker 1: turned thirteen years old, Jamie Class, is missing from her

184
00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,640
Speaker 1: family's home in Wisconsin. The mother and the father have

185
00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,360
Speaker 1: been found dead the front door. According to family sources,

186
00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,079
Speaker 1: they're telling us the front door was shot in to

187
00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,120
Speaker 1: open it. Clearly whoever it was didn't have a key,

188
00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,080
Speaker 1: did not have access, and the doors were locked with

189
00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,199
Speaker 1: the parents and the little girl inside. Just like we are.

190
00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,400
Speaker 1: Every night, you go to sleep with your children tucked

191
00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,400
Speaker 1: in bed. That's what the Class family did. They never

192
00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,640
Speaker 1: woke up. A neighbor reports hearing two distinct gun shots.

193
00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,360
Speaker 1: There are two gunshot victims. Clearly they were shot and

194
00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,120
Speaker 1: that's their mode of death. Although police are not releasing it. Jamie,

195
00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,160
Speaker 1: the little girl is missing. We are taking your calls.

196
00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,319
Speaker 1: Nine zero nine four nine crime nine zero nine four

197
00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,160
Speaker 1: nine two seven four six three Straight out to Stacy

198
00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,760
Speaker 1: in Alabama. Hi, Stacy, what's your question? Dear Hi Nancy.

199
00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,280
Speaker 1: I have been um consumed by this since I started

200
00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,280
Speaker 1: reading about it, and my question is you guys have

201
00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,440
Speaker 1: kind of already answered. There's no question that you guys

202
00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,360
Speaker 1: are saying that there was an involvement by the child.

203
00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,320
Speaker 1: Is that correct. Well, in the last hours police in

204
00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,680
Speaker 1: Wisconsin they have said she, the little girl Jamie Class,

205
00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,240
Speaker 1: is not a suspect. And you know, there's bizarre cases

206
00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,959
Speaker 1: that I have reported on many times, said, dating back

207
00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,120
Speaker 1: to my days at court TV. I'll never forget the

208
00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,400
Speaker 1: very first one that I covered. A young girl shot

209
00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,400
Speaker 1: her mother and she wore her um let's see house

210
00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,840
Speaker 1: roband backwards to cover her chest and like a shower

211
00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,720
Speaker 1: cap so blood spatter would not get on her body.

212
00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,680
Speaker 1: She shot her mother because the mother would not let

213
00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,960
Speaker 1: her date a much older boyfriend, like a nineteen year

214
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,720
Speaker 1: old boyfriend, and she was thirteen or fourteen, so she

215
00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,360
Speaker 1: shot the mother dead. Uh, there's been a lot of cases,

216
00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,960
Speaker 1: well not a lot, but there have been several cases

217
00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,959
Speaker 1: where the child is involved, typically because the parents intervene

218
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,720
Speaker 1: in a love triangle. There is no indication at all

219
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,520
Speaker 1: that that has happened here. In fact, police are coming

220
00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,360
Speaker 1: out and saying she's not a suspect, she's a victim.

221
00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,440
Speaker 1: Is that your question, miss Stacy? Actually yes, And also

222
00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what computer forensics will find out.

223
00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,440
Speaker 1: Has she been talking to someone online you know, what

224
00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,280
Speaker 1: are the male figures in her life? Because you know

225
00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,760
Speaker 1: this sounds like a male crime. Shooting through the door. Um,

226
00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,560
Speaker 1: I would just be curious to see what kind of

227
00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,959
Speaker 1: comes uncovered as far as you know her online contact,

228
00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,760
Speaker 1: you know what, you just stay with me. Stacy in

229
00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,600
Speaker 1: Alabama to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologists and host of

230
00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,839
Speaker 1: Ideas Hit Fatal Vow series. Stacy just said something very

231
00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,560
Speaker 1: important and that is it's a male crime. And I'll

232
00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,040
Speaker 1: follow it with you, Joe Scott, because statistically she's right

233
00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,000
Speaker 1: on women typically and I'm not judging or commenting in

234
00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,320
Speaker 1: any way, just statistically, do not shoot a door in

235
00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,360
Speaker 1: Dr Brian. So I'm pretty sure we're looking for a

236
00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,640
Speaker 1: male Yeah, I think absolutely. And when you think about this,

237
00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:49,240
Speaker 1: that the um shooting through the door and then which

238
00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,080
Speaker 1: is an awfully messy way to enter a home. It's

239
00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,640
Speaker 1: a messy wave even to forcibly enter a home, and

240
00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,080
Speaker 1: then you get inside, and what we're hearing for the

241
00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,360
Speaker 1: neighbors apparently is one gun shot per parent, which is

242
00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:11,080
Speaker 1: a fairly clean way to basically execute two people. And

243
00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,240
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's

244
00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,640
Speaker 1: like you're you're gonna you're gonna come in with with

245
00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,480
Speaker 1: guns blazing to get into the house, and then you're

246
00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna come in and you're gonna you're gonna show restraint

247
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,120
Speaker 1: and do a very efficient job once you get in there. Um,

248
00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,920
Speaker 1: it's nothing. Is that really adding up to what we

249
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,280
Speaker 1: normally would see? You know, usually if somebody is enraged

250
00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,080
Speaker 1: for some reason and they're going in with guns blazing,

251
00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,360
Speaker 1: then they get inside and the guns keep blazing, and

252
00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,520
Speaker 1: the parents would each have, you know, five ten shots.

253
00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking about what you're signed, Dr

254
00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,480
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, And you're right. Because the neighbor says you're

255
00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,600
Speaker 1: he she her two shots, you would assume that's one

256
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,120
Speaker 1: shot per parent. But what about shooting the door open?

257
00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,400
Speaker 1: What about those shots? And your theory that if you're

258
00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,520
Speaker 1: so angry and your guns blazing, as you say, and

259
00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,840
Speaker 1: you shoot open the door, and then why would you

260
00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,040
Speaker 1: do us very cleanly, concisely used one bullet prepared. The

261
00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,400
Speaker 1: only explanation I would have is the neighbor didn't wake

262
00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,240
Speaker 1: up during the first series of shots and only heard

263
00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,000
Speaker 1: two shots. That's the only thing I can come up with.

264
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,160
Speaker 1: But hold on, just a moment, we're getting a little

265
00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,440
Speaker 1: bit more information. John Limley, Crime online dot Com reporter,

266
00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm just learning now that um on the call. As

267
00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,240
Speaker 1: you said, you can hear a call for help a

268
00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,560
Speaker 1: little information. But we do know that the weapon was

269
00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,440
Speaker 1: not found nearby. They have searched carefully for the weapon.

270
00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,040
Speaker 1: That tells me that the perps or perps were in

271
00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,280
Speaker 1: a car and took the weapon with them. That means

272
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,040
Speaker 1: they came with a weapon, They left with a weapon.

273
00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,000
Speaker 1: This was their intent to kill. What about it, John Lily,

274
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,280
Speaker 1: what do you know about the weapon? Just as striking

275
00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,280
Speaker 1: as what was in the home, the bodies of the parents,

276
00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,760
Speaker 1: is what was not found there. Who was not found there?

277
00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,480
Speaker 1: Both the weapon and of course thirteen year old Jamie.

278
00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,520
Speaker 1: She was actually seen by a family member just the

279
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,200
Speaker 1: night before at a family gathering that she attended. Authorities

280
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,760
Speaker 1: believed that she was though in the home when her

281
00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,560
Speaker 1: parents were killed. Officials say gunshots were involved, but they

282
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,720
Speaker 1: didn't describe the situation any further. Little Jamie could not

283
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,720
Speaker 1: be located after the Barron County Sheriff's Office got that

284
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,920
Speaker 1: nine one one call around one a m. Central time,

285
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,960
Speaker 1: that's two a m. Eastern from an address there in

286
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,240
Speaker 1: the town of Barron, which is about forty five miles

287
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:39,000
Speaker 1: northwest though Claire, Wisconsin. Now the sheriff as Gerald said

288
00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,879
Speaker 1: he could hear some kind of yelling muffled yelling on

289
00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,080
Speaker 1: the call, including a cry for help, but they gave

290
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,960
Speaker 1: very little information beyond that. Take a listen to Sheriff Fitzgerald.

291
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,840
Speaker 1: One call was given that night from the residents on

292
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,159
Speaker 1: a cell phone, UM, but no contact was made with

293
00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,480
Speaker 1: somebody that was on the other line. And that's what's

294
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,959
Speaker 1: unusual about that nine on one call. There was no

295
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,679
Speaker 1: one communicating with our dispatch the word help. Did you

296
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,119
Speaker 1: hear that? The dispatcher and hearing that, I don't know that.

297
00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,960
Speaker 1: If I don't know if the word help was said,

298
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,040
Speaker 1: I can't comment on that. I don't know what that

299
00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,119
Speaker 1: was said. UM. But there was some kind of disturbance

300
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,200
Speaker 1: going on, and that's why law enforcement was sent to

301
00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,879
Speaker 1: the hall. To Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, joining us, everybody,

302
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,119
Speaker 1: we are bringing you this story live. We are taking

303
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,320
Speaker 1: your calls at nine nine Crime nine O nine four

304
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,480
Speaker 1: nine two seven four six three the tip line to

305
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,520
Speaker 1: bring Jamie home eight five five seven four four three eight, seven, nine,

306
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 1: eight five, five, seven, four four three eight seven nine.

307
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,920
Speaker 1: Especially you listening right now on your mobile devices or

308
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,399
Speaker 1: on Sirius XM, keep your eyes open, all you truckers

309
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,160
Speaker 1: joined together, help us find Jamie. She was taken alive

310
00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,960
Speaker 1: for a reason. She was taken. She appears to be

311
00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,920
Speaker 1: the target. Joseph's got Morgan way in. You know. One

312
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 1: of the other things I'm thinking about, Nancy, is what

313
00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,879
Speaker 1: population centers are nearby within easy driving distance. You had

314
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 1: mentioned one town, but I've got to tell you, I

315
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 1: think that the Twin cities are only about an hour

316
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,399
Speaker 1: and a half hour and forty five minutes to the

317
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,600
Speaker 1: almost the do well not do but south southwest of

318
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 1: what this location, We've got Chicago. That's not too far away.

319
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 1: So could these individuals be headed there. Another thing that

320
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,919
Speaker 1: I'd like to think about is what kind of connection

321
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 1: would this little family have in this little bitty town. Uh,

322
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's not necessarily out in the middle of nowhere,

323
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 1: but it's kind of isolated. What kind of connection would

324
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: they have with two individuals that would come in potentially

325
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 1: two individuals and kidnapped this little girl after slaughtering her

326
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 1: parents for the second day, in a row. Investigators searched

327
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 1: this home off Away eight looking for any clue that

328
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 1: may point them towards Jamie Class. So far, no breakthrough.

329
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are just in shocks still,

330
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 1: it's pretty surreal. Pattie Gerbery is the parish director at

331
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 1: the local Catholic church. She's known Jamie since preschool and

332
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,719
Speaker 1: taught her first communion classes. It's just hard to believe

333
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 1: that it actually happened, and we don't know all the details,

334
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: but um, I think a lot of people are hurting.

335
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 1: That's K A R. E. T VS Danny Speewalk reporting

336
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 1: on the search for Jamie Class. Her parents found shot dead,

337
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: the front door shot in to gain entry, and I'm

338
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: gonna go to Brian Russell and Joe's got Morrigan on

339
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: what that means that the door was shot open. But

340
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: also in the last hours, a tip emerges that Jamie

341
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: Class was spots spotted at in Miami gas station all

342
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 1: the way from Wisconsin with to quote, well dressed Middle

343
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: Eastern men. Okay to you, John Limley crime online dot Com,

344
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: explain to me what exactly why is the tip? Well,

345
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: there was even surveillance video to go with this tip.

346
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 1: There is a young woman, maybe a girl, scene with

347
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: these two well dressed men at a gas station in Miami.

348
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: Um And there was a lot of excitement there for

349
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: a while because they thought, you know, even though this

350
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: is twenty five hours if and that's NonStop driving from Baron, Wisconsin,

351
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: they thought, well, here's something, maybe this is our lead.

352
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: But then by four o'clock, uh, we heard that the

353
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: Wisconsin sheriff was telling the press that the Miami report

354
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 1: not considered credible and was released without consultation. Yeah, the

355
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: content of that tip was that Jamie just turned thirteen,

356
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 1: was spotted and the Miami gas stations all the way

357
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: across the country with quote too well dressed Middle Eastern

358
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 1: men and limely is correct. There is video surveillance I've

359
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: watched it over and over and over of these guys

360
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: pulling up and a shiny black suv. A person reporting

361
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: that a girl resembling Jamie was seen at a sun

362
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: Flex gas station in a black Ford Explorer on Monday

363
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 1: with two guys that appeared to be in their thirties.

364
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: You can see the video on crime online dot com

365
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: and look for yourself. Is that Jamie. Police now believe

366
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: that was not Jamie, but look for yourself. The men

367
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: were described at five seven and five nine each way,

368
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty pounds, both having beards and well dressed.

369
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the guy and one

370
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: of them, it looks like he's got on a suit

371
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: in a tie. The one that's driving, Um isn't a fake.

372
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: Is somebody just simply mistaken. They were driving a blackboard

373
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: Explorer Wisconsin license plate tag I six zero w e

374
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: R I six zero w E R and the fact

375
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: that it had a was Canon tag plate really got

376
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: the interest of everything. Now, isn't it correct to Joe

377
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Miami's about two thousand miles away from Wisconsin,

378
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: and it's about a twenty five hour drive, which would

379
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: have fit in with the time of her disappearance. Joe Scott, Yeah,

380
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: it would, but it's John. As John points out, twenty

381
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: five hours you're talking to that that drive Tom is

382
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: pushing straight through. I guess you could do it and

383
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: shifts with with two guys if you're stopping along the

384
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: way to get gas, go to the bathroom, that sort

385
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: of thing. But they run the risk of, you know,

386
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: of having an image of her captured at some point

387
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: in time, maybe her crying out. I'm still you know,

388
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking, uh, you know, instead of this kind

389
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: of exotic kind of thing like this, I'm thinking locally

390
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: at this point in time, who's gonna know about this

391
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: little girl within the confines of her little world that

392
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: she lives in there and Baron Wisconsin. You know, I

393
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think that somebody saw the Wisconsin tag,

394
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: they saw a girl in back, say they saw the

395
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: two guys and they put two and two together and

396
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: got five. But you know, the bottom line is, thank God,

397
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: thank Heaven. People are looking. The tip line is eight

398
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 1: five seven or four four three eight seven nine. Jamie Class,

399
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: just turned thirteen, has been taken from her family home

400
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Both parents shot dead after somebody enters by

401
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: using a gun on the door. Listen. Thirty six hours

402
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: into the search, the Barring Police share department decided to

403
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 1: release new photos of Jamie to the public. The sheriff

404
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: says his department is received more than two hundred tips

405
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: so far, coming mostly from this region. We're following up

406
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: on phones, were following up on social media. Um that's

407
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: where the expertise of both the Department of Criminal investigation,

408
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: the FBI experts come into play as police frantically searched

409
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: for Jamie. The community is also mourning the loss of

410
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: her parents. Mourning the loss of her parents, does she

411
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: even know her parents are dead? To Askle Wilcott, juvenile judge,

412
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of Child Cry want to dot com

413
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: Ashley way In, here's the thing I want to say, Nancy.

414
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: We also need to keep in mind, I'm sure law

415
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: enforcement is doing this. What about Jamie's friends? What do

416
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: they know about her that parents don't know that adults

417
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: don't know because all kids have their stuff with their

418
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: friends and or any of her friends um somewhere they're

419
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: not supposed to be or know who she's talking to.

420
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: If anyone again, she's a victim no matter what. Even

421
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: if she chose to run away, she'd be a victim.

422
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case here, But all of

423
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: the people that have touched her life, I'm sure we'll

424
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: be interviewed and could hold crucial clues. And I agree

425
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: with Joe Scott Morgan, we also have to look at

426
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: what were these parents involved in because something's not adding

427
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: up right. I don't know that this is a complete

428
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: random crime. I think they targeted this child and they

429
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: came in guns blazing and took her. I don't think

430
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: that it's random. I think you're absolutely right about that,

431
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: Ashley with Me juvenile judge and lawyer found with child

432
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: crime watch dot com Ashley Willcott, It's it's not random.

433
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: They clearly went in there with the aim of getting Jamie. Again.

434
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: Police have said she is not suspected in any way

435
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: of being part of this. In fact, her grandfather, Robert Nyberg,

436
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: has said she was quiet as always and his grandson's

437
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: birthday party just on Sunday, that she was a very

438
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: quiet girl, very thoughtful. She even brought little gifts to

439
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: every single person at the party. The dad was working

440
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: at the time of the party on Sunday. She has

441
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: repeat not considered a suspect and she is in danger,

442
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: according to the Chief of Police. Now also he the

443
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: chief declined to elaborate or explain why investigators insist Jamie

444
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: is not a runaway. He says that disclosing more information

445
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: on that in that vein would harm the investigation. Now

446
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: what does that mean to Dr Brian Russell? What does

447
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: that mean if we tell you any more about Jamie?

448
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: He could harm the investigation. Well, so if we go

449
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: back to this idea that going into a house, shooting

450
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: your way into a house, murdering the parents is a

451
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: very messy way to go about abducting a thirteen year

452
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: old girl. If what your goal was as the abductor

453
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: murderer was to get this girl and get as far

454
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: away as quickly as possible and go as long as

455
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: you could, and definitely would be your hope. I imagine

456
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: uh with the girl undetected, than than going in and

457
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: making lots of noise and killing people. It's just a

458
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: very messy way to go about it. So it makes

459
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: me think that this was an emotionally driven person who

460
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: had some desperation. And I agree with Ashley or you

461
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: or whoever said looking at this girl's social media to

462
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: see who may have sucked her in that I think

463
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: you a lutely are right about that, Dr Brian. The

464
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: answer may being and who was trying to get to

465
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: her in social media? And coming up next is a

466
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: woman now now grown, that was actually lured by an

467
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: online predator, Alicia Kostka Covic. Right now tipline four three

468
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: eight seven nine, Jamie Class is missing. Please help us

469
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: surveillance video caught the moment that eleven year old Carly

470
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Bruccia was grabbed by a stranger, and after a massive manhunt,

471
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: it was discovered that she had been raped and murdered.

472
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: Curly Brusia, a beautiful little girl walking home from a

473
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: spend the night party at a little friend's home, only

474
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: had about a block and a half to walk, Caught

475
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: on video her being abducted as she cut across behind

476
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: a car wash in her own neighborhood. Her body found

477
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: later in a wooded, densely wooded area near a local church.

478
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: She had been assaulted and murdered. What if anything, have

479
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: we learned? With me a very special guest, Alicia covid Kevic,

480
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: a survivor, a victims advocate, who was abducted, tortured, and

481
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: just before her murder, she was saved also with me

482
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor Francie Haigs. And and it all begs

483
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: the question. We read about these stories, we hear about

484
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: these stories. We may send up a prayer or follow

485
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: the story as it progresses. But what if God forbid

486
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: this happened to us, to you, to me? Every year,

487
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: over four hundred fifty thousand children are reported missing, four

488
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand children. And that is why Alicia

489
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: and Francie had joined together with me and experts and

490
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: survivors to bring you crime stops here, Justice Nation. Straight

491
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: out to Francy Haigs, former federal prosecutor, the Carly Brusia case,

492
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: the abduction, the rate, the murder of this little girl

493
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: was a real call to arms. What can we do, Francy, Well, Nancy,

494
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, there's not a lot that people can

495
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: do with respect to their children. You can't put them

496
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: in a bubble. But what I think that we can

497
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: do that we're not doing is understanding offender behavior. That murderer,

498
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: the man who took precious little Carly Bruce's life, had

499
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: to have been exhibiting some signs and symptoms. He was

500
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: clearly sexually interested in children, he was clearly violent. Someone

501
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: in his life would have seen those signs, and I

502
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: wonder what would have happened if they had understood those signs,

503
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: understood what makes a predator tick, understand offender behavior so

504
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: much that they would have been able to report it,

505
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: and that might have saved Carly's life. Joining me right now,

506
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Alicia Alicia now a motivational speaker. I victim's advocate, a survivor, Alicia,

507
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: because it Heavich is joining us. Alicia, I know that

508
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: you just shudder when you hear about Carly Brusha's brutal kidnap,

509
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: rape and murder. Her body found half clothed in a

510
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: wooded area, just left behind like she was trashed. Because, Alicia,

511
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: it brings back the memory of what happened to you

512
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: as a little girl. What happened Carly story definitely brings

513
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: back memories for me. When I was three teen years old,

514
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: I was groomed and large from my home by an

515
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: internet predator who kidnapped me and took me from Pizip, Pennsylvania,

516
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: to Virginia, where I was held captive in his basement

517
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: dungeon and suffered horrible atrocities. I was raped and beaten

518
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: and tortured, chained to the floor by a locking dog collar.

519
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: He didn't feed me, and my nose was broken in

520
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: one of the struggles. I I am so lucky to

521
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: be here. I am so incredibly lucky, and it's so

522
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: sad to hear that that that's not the outcome for

523
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: so many children and in Carle's story watching her in

524
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: the surveillance video being led away, there weren't any It

525
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: was so calm seeming, and how quickly and suddenly something

526
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: like this can happen. And I like that. Francie said,

527
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: you can't put your children in a bubble, because you

528
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: really can't, even if you want to. That's not a

529
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: possible thing. You have to educate your kids two be safe.

530
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: We have to give them tolls to protect themselves, and

531
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: we have to sit down and talk to them about dangers.

532
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, Alicia, Um, I'm listening to you. Everyone, You

533
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: are hearing my friend and our colleague, Alicia kozy Keevic.

534
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: Alicia lived to tell the tale and defying all statistics,

535
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: all odds after she was abducted as a girl from

536
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: her neighborhood by a person she met online. She usually

537
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: originally thought it was another little girl online and developed

538
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: a friendship with the person, and so as it developed,

539
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: thought nothing of the person. They had taught for so

540
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: long they were friends, so long was a child her

541
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: own age was a grown man, a thirty eight year

542
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: old man, Scott Tyree, who grabbed her, forced her into

543
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: a car, abducted her, put her into a dungeon hours

544
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: away from home, shackled her to the floor with a

545
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: shot collar around her neck, and sexually assaulted her for

546
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: days and days and days. One afternoon, he's said, you

547
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: know what, I've really started to like you too much now.

548
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: She knew that evening she was going to be killed.

549
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: As it turned out, Scott Tyree shared photos of her

550
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: being tortured with another child porn a Thesionado, and he

551
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: even that guy was so shocked he called police, And

552
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: that is how Alicia was saved. And that is how

553
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: Alicia is here with us today to help you learn

554
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: how to I remember Alicia telling me she realized how

555
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: dangerous everything was when they went through a toll. Remember

556
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: when you told me that, Alicia, that you got to

557
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: a toll I think it was, and the guy gave

558
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: the toll person some money and you were thinking, Oh,

559
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna see me, They're gonna save me. But then

560
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: the car just kept going and that moment you just

561
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: lost hope. It's heartbreaking, and it's heartbreaking that while this

562
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: is a rare circumstance, it does happen, and it can

563
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: be prevented, and that's what we need to work towards

564
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, Alicia, you have devoted your life, your entire life,

565
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: after what you endured, which is it's hard for me

566
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: to even take in what you endured. Even devoted your

567
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: life to saving other people, to checked other children from

568
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: what you went through. You've even had a law named

569
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: after you in many US states. Alicia, when we got

570
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: together in person for the first time to create crime

571
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: stops here, what was your mission? Why did you devote

572
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: so much time to crime stops here? Because this is

573
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: a great way to get the message out. The whole

574
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: point is raising awareness. And like I said, we need

575
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: to sit down and we need to talk to our kids,

576
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: and we need parents to have the tools to be

577
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: able to do that. And it seems sometimes that parents

578
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: almost need permission to say that, Okay, I can say no,

579
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: or I can monitor what my children are doing online.

580
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: I recently spoke at a preschool and they wanted to

581
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to their kids, but they were

582
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: terrified of how to do it without terrifying them. And

583
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: the sad part is that you do have to scare

584
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: your kids a little bit. You don't want to debilitate them,

585
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: but you do have to scare them. In the same

586
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: way that you tell them to local crowd the street

587
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: both ways before walking across, or don't touch the pot

588
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: because it's hot, or to wear their seatbelt. There are

589
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: dangers out there and we need to protect ourselves from it.

590
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: To find out all about Alicia's story, Francie's advice, the

591
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: story of other crime survivors, experts, technicians that help you

592
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: with action information to protect what you love the most,

593
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: your children and your family. Go to crime stops here

594
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: dot com or Nancy Grace dot com. If you know

595
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: of a child or child you want to help, call

596
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: one eight hundred the Lost one eight hundred, eight four three, five, six,

597
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: seven eight, Alicia and Francie, I can't thank you enough.

598
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: And Alicia and France if you didn't know already. Proceeds

599
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: are going to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

600
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: and Class Kids Foundation. Everyone for the sake of your children,

601
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: your family and what you love, go to crime stops

602
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: here dot com or Nancy Grace dot com. Alicia, Francy,

603
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: thank you, Nancy Grace Crime Stories. Signing off, goodbye friend,