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Speaker 1: This is Cowboy Sam, and this is ye how John,

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Speaker 1: my husband's friend. Turns out I had a good reason.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, he's hateable. He is hateable.

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Speaker 1: This is really annoying me, so please excuse me if

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Speaker 1: I sound defensive. Also, yes, I have a short temper.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on it, oh boytop asking back off. I've

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Speaker 1: been married to my husband for over two years now.

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Speaker 1: After about six months ago, a new friend joined their

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Speaker 1: social circle. We'll call him Bob. By the way, this

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Speaker 1: comes from too harsh or what And if you want

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Speaker 1: story Time. I really didn't have much to do with

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Speaker 1: him because I have my own circle of friends and

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Speaker 1: hubby has his own circle of friends. But he does

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Speaker 1: have his friends over at our place for gaming or

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Speaker 1: watching football, and I offer them an adult soda and

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Speaker 1: some small talk. Look at the photos of their kids, etc.

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Speaker 3: But that's it.

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Speaker 1: Met Bob a few times after. He came over with

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Speaker 1: a group to hang out at a birthday thing of

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Speaker 1: Hubby's friends that had plus ones. Didn't really talk much

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Speaker 3: How goes it?

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Speaker 1: And small talk about jobs or whatever, because I tend

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Speaker 1: to talk slash gravitate to Hubbies friends significant others, as

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Speaker 1: we're all in the same circumstance of being the plus one.

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Speaker 1: I don't even have most of Hubby's friends on my

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Speaker 1: Facebook rough and I'm pretty private, and usually Hubby shares

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Speaker 1: slash tag slash WhatsApp to me if they post something interesting.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Bob, however, added me the day after we met, but

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Speaker 1: I haven't responded to the invite anyway. Four months ago,

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Speaker 1: one of their friends was having a milestone birthday on

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Speaker 1: Friday night and they'd book out the bars upstairs function area.

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Speaker 1: I was heading there right after work, and because the

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Speaker 1: area was unfamiliar to me and I'm a punctual, paranoid

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Speaker 1: plan for hurricane sort of person, I really overestimated how

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Speaker 1: long it would take to get there by public transports

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Speaker 1: and arrived about forty five minutes too early, so I

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Speaker 1: went and got myself a drink and settled into one

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Speaker 1: and texted Hobby to let him know I was early.

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Speaker 1: I've never read a book at the bar, but kind

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Speaker 3: There's there are the like the speakeasy type bars where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I read books at coffee shops.

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Speaker 3: I guess I could.

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Speaker 1: Level up your game. Bro love Yeah, espresso martini, Espresso

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Speaker 1: martini while reading a book like.

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Speaker 3: You'll find your wife.

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Speaker 1: There've been That's what I was just thinking.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you want to find your wife quick?

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Speaker 4: Go to a club or somewhere where there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of people have a notebook and guess who's going to

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Speaker 4: be asking, Oh, what are you writing about? Go to

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Speaker 4: of the like people come around. They're just hanging out

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Speaker 4: and it's not like club vibes, but it's like you know,

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Speaker 1: No, I want to go to I want him to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just start journaling. Yeah, what are you writing about?

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Speaker 3: I'm just do you want to be my wife?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: John?

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Speaker 1: Even better, what are you writing about? Writes note, and

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I got pretty engrossed in my book, and I

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Speaker 3: Told him I was married. I mean, fair, fair, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: Bob and two other of Hobby's friends arrived about five

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Speaker 3: And lost in the world is a good book, obviously.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Bob comes up to me, I'm still oblivious and

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Speaker 1: I know that was rude. I know that was rude,

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Speaker 1: Instead of saying, hey, it's me Bob, he goes, come on,

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Speaker 3: Bob, shut up. No you can't. Nice.

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Speaker 1: I told him I wanted to pace myself, as I

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Speaker 1: and then Bob pipes up sarcastically about how such a

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Speaker 1: Hubby and friends looked at him a bit weirdly, Bob, Bob,

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Speaker 3: Are you doing? No talk to the hand.

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Speaker 1: Bob is building walls against all of his friendships right now.

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Speaker 1: It was a bit with the f but I just

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Speaker 1: It was totally an awkward response, and the joke flopped miserably,

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Speaker 1: if I did want to drink, I would order one myself, dude,

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Speaker 1: because I got a credit card, I got a mouth,

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Speaker 1: I got two arms that can give the credit card

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Speaker 3: Brain to think and choose for myself.

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Speaker 1: I do not need you, Bob. I do not need you.

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Speaker 1: Bob can't catch a hint first time after that incident,

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Speaker 1: I had gotten one again, so I just held my

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Speaker 1: are you sure Bob's really concerned about you quenching your thirst?

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Speaker 1: Bob is a hydro homie. Bob is like girl. No,

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Speaker 1: a beautiful woman like you needs eight glasses of water

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Speaker 1: a day. When I said drink, I met water.

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Speaker 3: Bob. Are you sure you're not being whack? Bob's being whack.

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Speaker 3: That's what I have to Bob's a little whack oh question,

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Speaker 1: To all of you. What's Bob trying to do here?

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Speaker 1: I don't think we want the answer to that question.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to hydrate op so he can bob in.

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Speaker 1: It lit Bob and himself, and I told him I

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Speaker 1: you again. Someone said Bob is trying to get Opie

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Speaker 3: Honestly, like this is this is weird behavior, such suspect behavior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bob, I just talked that off to him being

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Speaker 1: He wasn't wasted with tipsy and I didn't know this

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Speaker 1: guy well. Since then, when we've met Bob at a

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Speaker 1: I said I didn't want to drink really firmly, which

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Speaker 1: He doesn't do that with the other significant other friend.

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Speaker 3: You a drink. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: He was a bit tipsy, so people laughed it off.

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Speaker 1: which is what I did today. Nice Anyway, I emerged

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Speaker 1: Bob oh here he goes Bob Way, he told me

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Speaker 3: Oh, yep, yep, that's Bob behavior. Bob behavior right there.

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Speaker 1: What that f And I mentioned that a lot of

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Speaker 1: for small talk. And then here is the punter. He says,

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Speaker 1: oh God, say say it, Say God, Bob, stop being

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Speaker 1: I think we'd be great together. Ew Bob, ew ew.

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Speaker 3: But he's giving Bob so many chances. Yeah, he's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Screwbob. I was, don't Screwbob, but just get him out

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Speaker 1: Joints to squeeze, there's juice, But generally on this show,

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Speaker 1: One word safety safety. Yeah, safety safety.

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Speaker 3: This is now this is now a crossing into we've

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Speaker 3: like I which it seems she pretty clearly communicated like hey,

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Speaker 1: And this is not the first offense.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is not the first thing she told him,

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Speaker 3: You're being creepy, like stop, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Again, generally, I don't think it's a good move to yell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, only only huge groups. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Nicole A says tasers balls. Ye oh, all right, well

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Speaker 1: and then wondered why he'd say that. I was very

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Speaker 1: I told Hobby it didn't matter why he said he's

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Speaker 3: Oh, I got a bad feeling about this conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me.

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Speaker 1: Hobby wants a threesome with Bob.

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Speaker 3: My yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Was sending Bob out of feelers or cook theory. Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Van camp And says the couk theory may be correct.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy if that is true, Oh my god, husband, what.

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Speaker 1: Because it's already no, like not the cook, Bob.

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Speaker 3: Is not the move and like even him bringing bringing

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Speaker 3: it up is is already like yo, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: But if he had him do it in that way,

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Speaker 1: Frank the pud says loyalty test. Oh barf, I think

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Speaker 1: I think that is less likely than Hobby a cook.

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Speaker 3: Dude. I hate all these options.

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Speaker 1: I hate all these option bro.

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Speaker 3: I want I want d.

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Speaker 1: Ye want want that Dolly, Well, I definitely don't.

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Speaker 1: All right, well we got more to this story. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: we are only halfway through. All right, I'm buckled in

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, where's the stairs?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where's the stairs?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: So I went for a walk and Hobby went back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh, well, you know if you had remarried,

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Speaker 1: So I asked Hubby point blank why he wasn't more angry.

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Speaker 1: And I was told calm down because it's over, and

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I've seen Hobby's friends twice since Bob has not been

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Speaker 1: Oh pie's use your name?

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Speaker 1: But I feel very disrespected and cheapened, and now my

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Speaker 1: But I'm still bothered by this. Thoughts, and we do

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've got some thoughts for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, give me some thoughts. Yeah, an update.

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Speaker 3: We have an update coming. I mean, I mean I

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Speaker 3: I felt really uncomfortable with this guy, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why would you not want to protect me?

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Speaker 3: Ye, protect you and make your partner feel hard like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I think if like the critiques that I have

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Speaker 1: Bob is a slam ball. Confirmed. As for Op's reaction,

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Speaker 1: but I think, like one yell established boundary, gross, talk

435
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Speaker 1: to husband calmly, and then get him out. I also

436
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: think the other thing that I wouldn't do is, like

437
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: you said, expect the same reaction of like anger from

438
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: your husband because maybe he just doesn't experience anger like that.

439
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: But again, going back to what you said, it's the

440
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: lack of action that's the issue. But the hubby is

441
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: not has not really done everything so or done anything.

442
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: So if he doesn't have an emotional reaction and also

443
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: hasn't taken any action, then he's kind of useless. Yeah,

444
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: and it's on both prints. He doesn't any like like

445
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: I think you need one or the other, you know,

446
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what i'm that's kind of what i'm.

447
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: I think I'm on the same page as you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And also, to give Opie credit, she did say

449
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: like she's like, I yelled this thing, and now that

450
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: I've calmed down a bit, I was like, ah, Like

451
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: I didn't need to say that exactly whatever. I think

452
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: Opie has enough self awareness to be like, okay, I could.

453
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Speaker 1: Have even admits like, hey, I know what I you know,

454
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: the yelling was wrong, but I was so angry, and

455
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: like she realizes this is something that she struggles with.

456
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Speaker 1: But again, like Bob gave her plenty of reasons to

457
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Speaker 1: be angry. Oh ye oh yeah, oh yeah. Heleanna Bain

458
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: says it is gross, rude, as f and typical. But

459
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Speaker 1: we have an update. We have an update for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, guys, ready to get into it.

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Speaker 3: Let's dive in. So update.

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Speaker 1: None of my hubby's friends or Hubby himself took Bob

463
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: very seriously. He hasn't been back to our place, but

464
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: Hubby has been seeing him socially elsewhere, and I stopped

465
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Speaker 1: going to places where I knew he would be there

466
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: or completely ignored him when he was there. The first time,

467
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: he ignored me as well, but then a few times

468
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: after he tried talking to me, never even acknowledge what

469
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: had happened, and I just walked away and talked to

470
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Speaker 1: someone else, cementing my reputation as a witch in the group.

471
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: One of my hubby's friends, even laughing, suggested that I

472
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: was avoiding Bob because I liked him, but then started

473
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: apologizing profusely after he saw a mad glint in my eye.

474
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: That comment stung, but I let it go. Bob did

475
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: text me a few times like nothing had happened. Random craft,

476
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh look at this funny link. Hey, new video game

477
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: is at et cetera. But my overreacting self just blocked

478
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: his number, and I told Hubby I did this. Hubby

479
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: was amused, but just seemed relieved there was not going

480
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: to be another scene, although he didn't get why I

481
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: was against the guy.

482
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Speaker 3: I mean, she explained it.

483
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: I just can't explain what a strong gut feeling I

484
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: had against this guy. I see why people thought I

485
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: was a witch. There's no evidence, really, but I just

486
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: found his attempts at being charming and friendly just to

487
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: put off.

488
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: Sometimes.

489
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Speaker 1: When I first met him, it felt like I was

490
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: in another body watching the conversation with him, doing it

491
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: on autopilot. I felt that off about him. Anyway, Yesterday,

492
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: one of Hubby's friends calls him upset. So Hobby goes over,

493
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: and what do you know? The friend found messages on

494
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend's phone that Bob and her have been screwing

495
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: behind everyone's back. Just about a week before I wrote

496
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Speaker 1: that post, So about a month now.

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Speaker 3: Wait, so are they both are? Like Bob and his

498
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: girlfriend both running around?

499
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: So oh Pea's so, so Ope's husband's friend's girlfriend, Yes,

500
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: is screwing Bob.

501
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 3: So Bob.

502
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: Got the bright idea, oh if I go to my

503
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 4: friend's wives and I can maybe get something.

504
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: And he was right, and he was right, and he

505
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: tried to do it again.

506
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: With Opie because one wasn't enough. Bro, he's like, he's like, oh,

507
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: I see it. I see the pattern. I'm pattern recognizing.

508
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: Don't Bob just get up?

509
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Speaker 1: I feel sick like maybe if I had reacted more calmly,

510
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: maybe people have been willing to hear out why Bob

511
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: creaked me out and like spoken to him about it,

512
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: which might have distanced him instead of getting all riled

513
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: up and getting him support, which probably just encouraged him

514
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: when he was banging my hubby's friend's girlfriend. But also

515
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: girlfriend is for the streets too.

516
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you? What are you doing? Come on?

517
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: Anyway, Hubby called and told me what happened, so I

518
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: asked him if you need to stay the night at

519
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: a friend's house where the friend wanted to come here,

520
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: I took the advice i'd seen another threads and talked

521
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: friend through on the phone on how to take screenshots

522
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: and transferred them to his phone via Bluetooth, et cetera.

523
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: And then he didn't want to stay by himself, so

524
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: Hubby brought him home. It was really kind of sad

525
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: because as soon as the friend got here, he goes,

526
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: you'd be the only person to understand since you hate

527
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: Bob's guts, and I kind of joked and said it

528
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: was my guts that I hated Bob, and his kind

529
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: of watery smile just broke my heart. I had to

530
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: look at these texts and friends soon to be ex

531
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: girlfriend actually confronted him about the incident with me. He

532
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: basically reassured her that yeah, he did think I was

533
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: cool at the start, but was quick to reassure her

534
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: this was no longer the case, but was only persisting

535
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: with contacting me because I was effing snob and looked

536
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: down at everyone and she thought I was a witch,

537
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: to which hurt because I had always gotten along with her.

538
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: She'd even taken weekend trips shopping with sagers, et cetera.

539
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh so they're talking about ope behind me.

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00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: That's crazy, and it was she comforting him.

541
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: She was comforting him and saw the text where they

542
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: were discussing what anyway. Oh but I think it may

543
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: have been the text between Bob and the ex girlfriend.

544
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, because the friend's girlfriend confronted Bob about the incident,

545
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: I believe. Or it's either it's a dangle, it's a yeah,

546
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: she could confront of Bob.

547
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, good deserves conversations.

548
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: Anyway, the three of us sat there and had beers

549
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: and chewed out Bob and then friend was crying a

550
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: lot as he was chewing out his girlfriend. So I

551
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: left him with Hubby and made the guest bed. And

552
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: he was known for loving pad tie, so I sent

553
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: him some just in case he got hungry. At some point,

554
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was another.

555
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: Where jiu jitsu.

556
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: I found this a bit later because I wasn't in

557
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: the kitchen. He ended up, and even if it wasn't mature,

558
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: I felt he deserved to sending his girlfriend that they

559
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: were through and she could f Bob all she wanted anyway.

560
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: An hour later, she and Bob both start calling him

561
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: and messaging him, but he blocked their numbers or didn't

562
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: answer or not sure. Then they must have started calling

563
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: his friends because Hebby's phone started going off. I'm not

564
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: sure what happened, as I was in the kitchen at

565
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: the time, but I did hear Hubby talking and then

566
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: a friend talking to whoever else. I did hear Hubby

567
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: get angry at one point, and he explained to be

568
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: and he explained to me later that someone had suggested,

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00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: after hearing that friend was at our house, that I

570
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: had turned Bob and girlfriend against friend because I didn't

571
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: like Bob. That also hurt because I would never do that.

572
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm short tempered, not malicious, and I also get along

573
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: with that person. I think I'm going to keep my

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00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: distance from hubby's friends in the future. Obviously I'm not

575
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: as liked by them as I thought I was. Anyway,

576
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: both hubby and friend are sleeping, while I doubt friend

577
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: is doing much sleeping. But tomorrow morning they are going

578
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: to go to his place, box up whatever girlfriend left there.

579
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: They don't live together or anything, luckily, and tell her

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00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: to come pick it up. By the way, you should

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Speaker 1: relevant update, a quick update.

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Speaker 3: But man, wow, man, I mean.

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00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: It really really blew up in everyone's faces.

587
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: And can I just say both husband and husband's friend

588
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: group really not liking.

589
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: Them, not liking them. The husband's not.

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00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: Really I guess he's helping the friend now, but it

591
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: didn't seem like husband uh he never like fully one

592
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I feel like took Op seriously with all that,

593
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: and then the friends are like mocking her, and I'm like,

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00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Yeah?

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00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I almost need to be having yeah yeah.

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00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: And I also like, I don't like how the husband

597
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: didn't really support Op in this. Yeah, don't like it,

598
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: but we do have a little bit more of the story.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, I'm not really sure how to help friends

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Speaker 1: through this. I've let help me do most of the

601
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: emotional stuff, but he is staying at our place for

602
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Speaker 1: a few days, and on top of what I normally

603
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Speaker 1: do for a guest, what can I do to make

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: things more comfortab even though I'm not going to help much,

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00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: just adult soda cans and runs ice cream. Wh should

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Speaker 1: Hobby take him away for the weekend. I would just

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Speaker 1: give Hobby in the friend's space. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: best thing you can do. But let us know what

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Speaker 1: you would do in the comments below. And I think

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Speaker 3: My fiance postponed our wedding because he wants to stay

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Speaker 1: I mean she only has a little bit left to live.

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Speaker 1: I mean she only has a little bit left to live.

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Speaker 3: Let her live, he said it, not me, so Max

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Speaker 3: for nine months, with the wedding date set for early January.

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Speaker 3: We have a healthy, honest relationship and I've never had

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Speaker 3: any reason to doubt him. By the way, well now,

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Speaker 3: by the way, this comes from Engaged throw away on

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Speaker 3: is there a Caroline some history Caroline? You know? Do

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Speaker 3: you know Caroline? No way you'd know. I maybe don't

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Speaker 3: know anyway, Maybe don't know anyways. Deep cuts aside that

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Speaker 3: John is out of the loopond. They were married very young.

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00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: They were both twenty two, right out of college. They

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Speaker 3: divorced after two years, and Max told me that they

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Speaker 3: got married too quickly and didn't realize how different their

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Speaker 3: they both were working full time jobs and struggling to

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Speaker 3: pay the rent. Uh. They split up on good terms

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00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: but didn't keep in touch. He remained in our home

639
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 3: city while she pursued a modeling career and began traveling extensively.

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Speaker 1: Oh she's hot.

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Speaker 3: She I think she kinda you know, I hate to

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Speaker 3: say it dropped the anchor and kind of sword to

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Speaker 3: sits never seen. But three months ago, Caroline contacted Max

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Speaker 3: over Facebook out of the blue, saying she was in

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Speaker 3: town and wanted to meet for coffee. He agreed. Over coffee,

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Speaker 3: she told him that she had recently been diagnosed with

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Speaker 3: stage four breast cancer. Her odds of survival were low,

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Speaker 3: but she was determined to fight through it with surgery

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650
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Speaker 3: Max to be by her side throughout the treatment. Wow.

651
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: So basically I'm trying to see the the time gap

652
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: between this. I'm thinking it's a it's a it's a

653
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: few years, but that is that is kind of crazy

654
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: that she that she came back and was just like, yo,

655
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: I know we were split, but I just want to

656
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: be with you for these last few wee that's a

657
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 3: wild frantic yad yourself in. Yeah, oh my god. How

658
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: long does she have left? She they don't say I have

659
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: an exact amount of time, but stage four breast cancer

660
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: odds of survival were very low, and she wanted to

661
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: Max to be her side by her side out the treatment. Wow.

662
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: So that's that's that's a lot for Max to Uh. Yeah.

663
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: I also, you know, not that that. I don't want

664
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: to believe everyone that says they have cancer.

665
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: I do. That's a lot.

666
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: We've had some stories where people lie about cancer to

667
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: get who in the pants if so happens again, dude,

668
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: I hey, you know it's it's a it's a get

669
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: out of jail free card.

670
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: Not like three in one day. That's crazy. Yeah. Caroline's

671
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: parents passed away shortly before she married Max. She has

672
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: no siblings, and the rest of the rest of her

673
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: family lives overseas. She describes Max as the closest thing

674
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: to family she has left. I absolutely sympathize with Caroline.

675
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: The next day, Max had her over to our apartment

676
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: and she was completely lovey, completely lovely, clearly trying very

677
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: hard to be optimistic, even in the face of her

678
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: life potentially ending before she turned thirty. Which now, for context,

679
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 3: they married at twenty two and then split up and

680
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: now they're thirty, so it's been around eight years. Wow.

681
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: I feel terrible for her and the situation she's in,

682
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: and I fully supported Max being there for her.

683
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: How much do you support him being there for her?

684
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: That's the Q. It's a big question. I mean, this

685
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: is complicated. This is who Her first surgery was. Later

686
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: that month, Max flew across the country. We live on

687
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: the East coast, she's on the west, and checked into

688
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: hotel a few minutes from her apartment. He's a writer,

689
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: so working from his laptop is no issue. We spoke

690
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: on the phone or on Skype almost every day for

691
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: the two weeks he was over there. Caroline had her

692
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: surgery at the beginning of June. Unfortunately, it was not

693
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: entirely successful, and her doctors moved on to the next step, chemo.

694
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: So to be clear, it's basically like, okay, so they're

695
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: still gonna try chemo next. Max came home after the

696
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: surgery to tell me this. He explained that Caroline's treatment

697
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: plan was set to begin in July an end in

698
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: late January. It would be an incredibly difficult time period

699
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: for her, and she wanted him with her at all times.

700
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh, this is hard.

701
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: This is hard. My gut right now is uh. You

702
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: kind of can't blame I guess Carolyn for she's about

703
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: to pass away.

704
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Like, like, dude, she has every right to shoot the shot, but.

705
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: You can shoot the shot but then the expectation is

706
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: but not necessarily shoot the shot to the point where

707
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: his shot is shot.

708
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Like I think, like just before that, like like shoot

709
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: the shot, don't expect Yeah, but like I don't even

710
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: I feel like it's still bad taste to But you're

711
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: you're a bad who cares?

712
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 4: Do you want your honeymoon to be paid for?

713
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

714
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 5: Or no?

715
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: We don't know if are you saying Caroline to pay Caroline.

716
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: I'll take care of you in your final moment, change

717
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: your will, change your life insurance.

718
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: This is a financial opportunity.

719
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 3: Is an investment. Her visions getting blurry. I'll just hire

720
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: a double. It's not that bad, okay, dude?

721
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: So oh man, And that's said. I wouldn't like this.

722
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: I think I don't think many people would.

723
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, would you like it if a million dollars was involved?

724
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: I mean.

725
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: Chat chatting? Everyone watching right now? Comment below? What is

726
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: your price? Name your price? I want your hubby spending

727
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: every moment with his uh passing away ex wife, ex.

728
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: Wife from eight years ago, eight.

729
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: Years ago, and you you don't know whether they're gonna.

730
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: Hook up or not. And she could recover too, and

731
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: she could recover too. So with that said, name your price. COmON, blow,

732
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: I want to see it, but we're gonna keep going. Uh.

733
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: Kimberly Fine said, this is hard. Is what Opie's partner

734
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 3: and Caroline's guts are saying. Oh wow, oh geez, producer Riley,

735
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: I swear baby, it's a new cancer to you. Oh god,

736
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: they say, hold on, I gotta cook. Ease of life?

737
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: What is it? Quality of life? Quality life? Make it

738
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: go up. Yeah, you're going out, you might as well

739
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: enjoy it. Exactly exactly. That's where we're at.

740
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: And you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you know, maybe

741
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: maybe by giving her some new life, she might live longer,

742
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of little little new potential baby

743
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: swimming around slily Toes by the way, says, for a

744
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: million dollars done, Yeah, I saw two hundred fifty k.

745
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: Keep putting your numbers in so free. Oh god, Opie says,

746
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: we can't afford to pay for a hotel until January,

747
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: so he moved into her apartment, sleeping on her sofa.

748
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: He's been there the past month, and we continue to skype,

749
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: though only a couple times a week. Now.

750
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, he's already been there a month. So

751
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: she agreed. This is the chillis wife in history. Holy crap. Yeah,

752
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: and it's gone down in the amount that he's talking

753
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: to her.

754
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: It's doing this.

755
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Ooh, oh, he does not miss you. Oh that's mean

756
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: to say, but it's true. Aniecea Julius is a million

757
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: plus if she recovers I'm butting her back.

758
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: When we spoke yesterday, Max gently told me that, based

759
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: on Caroline's condition, he wouldn't feel right leaving her so

760
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: close to the end of her treatment. He'd like for

761
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: us to postpone the wedding until February at the very least,

762
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: so he can stay with her until the eat.

763
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: Mint is oh no, he is no longer sure.

764
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: He is no longer sure. Fabit k go in the honeymoon?

765
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: She might not make it.

766
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: A dude, dude, queen procrastination? Who who saw this coming? Everyone?

767
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Everyone saw this coming, this idea with her already living

768
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: with her. I mean, hey, I understand op was in

769
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: a rock and a hard place. How do you tell

770
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: your husband to not see his passing away ex wife?

771
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: And you do that by saying I don't think that

772
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: is a good idea. We'll say it. Say you say

773
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: that that's how you say it.

774
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: And it's like okay, you know, you know, it's like

775
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: super reasonable, like hey, you know, I kind of want

776
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: to reconnect and whatever, like we'll visit and you know,

777
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: maybe chat moore and rebuild a friendship. It's a whole

778
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: other thing to sleep in her house for a month

779
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: and then postpone your wedding. We're getting to insane levels.

780
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: Insane levels. Sorry for you, Opie says. I'm so conflicted.

781
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope. I feel awful for resenting Caroline

782
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: at all. She has cancer. It's okay, Ope, she's suffering immensely,

783
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 3: but the resentment is still there. Oh it's okay, he said,

784
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: everyone watching visual humor, okay, op Yeah, dude.

785
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: Back in the day, back when we were four letters.

786
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: You're welcome audio listeners. It was a mug, but the

787
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: resentment is still there. I resent her for needing Max

788
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: constantly holding her hand as though she has absolutely no

789
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: friends of her own. I resent Max two for agreeing

790
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: to this situation. We won't be seeing each other in

791
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: person four months now, on top of our wedding being postponed.

792
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have a husband, dude, after

793
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: this he can't even visit, Like.

794
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, visit, bro, because I'm on the boat. Now, this

795
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: is crazy too much.

796
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: I will question really quick, really quick. There's a lot

797
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: more to the story, I know, but really quick. Let's

798
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: say you know you have a committed relationship on the

799
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: way to marriage and an X says, hey, I need

800
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: you to spend time with me before I pass away,

801
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: and I want every moment at what like, like what

802
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: to what level do you a acquiesce? Like do what

803
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: to what? Obviously moving there and spending months is way

804
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: too much, but I would like, like, what is what

805
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: is the right amount?

806
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: I think first is like uh uh, go go visit.

807
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: If she's staying in the hospital wherever the case is,

808
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: you know, get some get some coffee, reconnect. Yeah, and

809
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: that's okay. Right in this like that that beginning space,

810
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: that's where things can go left very quick. And she's like, hey,

811
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: I want to spend all the time together. That's where

812
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: You're like, and yes, you will feel like a dirt bag,

813
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 3: but we'll in reality, I'm saying, not that you are.

814
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: You're not a dirt bag. It might it might, it'll

815
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: probably op He's like, oh, but she has cancer, Like

816
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 3: I feel bad. Yes, you you might or it might

817
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: be hard to say, but it is so so, so

818
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: so reasonable for you to say, Hey, I'm not going

819
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: to leave my partner to like live with you, be

820
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: with you every sex.

821
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Yes, but I I can. I like, I you know,

822
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to visit you. I love to maybe do

823
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: some phone calls. Uh Like yes, yeah, I think that's okay.

824
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 3: There's a level where it's fine, the level but this

825
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: is so passed so far, the level where this is

826
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: okay and and you got if you God forbid, if

827
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: and if you find yourselves in this situation, it is okay. Op,

828
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: it is okay.

829
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 4: Like the fact that he kind of did this does

830
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: it seem like they had a lot of conversation about this.

831
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: It sounds like he was just like, I'm gonna go.

832
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: I bet he still has feelings.

833
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 3: One that slipped away. She's a model, traveling international.

834
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, with cancer, with cancer, dude, She's she's just she's stacked.

835
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: I mean, not only is she a model that's super

836
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: interesting and traveling, but like he's probably already into her,

837
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: but now she's passing away, Like now there's even more

838
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: reason to see her.

839
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: Theory, you know how Opie was like, oh, they had

840
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: these differences, like splitting the rant and like all this stuff.

841
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: I think that's what the husband tells O P. Or

842
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: what what what? What? What what the spouse tells O P?

843
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: Because secretly spouse is a little bar Yeah, of course,

844
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: but doesn't want to admit it, just saying just saying yeah.

845
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 3: But she's like the McRib.

846
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. And op Opie's hubby wants a

847
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: little little paste.

848
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: Oh he's he's he's licking his fingers like saying.

849
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: Also, uh, some of you are thinking I'm cooking up

850
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: a golden rule. You tell me, you tell me what

851
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: you think the golden rule is, because I feel like

852
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: there might be a rule cooking.

853
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: But no, oh god, oh, Opie says, I don't know

854
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 3: what to do. I have no idea how I'm supposed

855
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: to feel right now. I'm just full of anger and guilt,

856
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to explain it to anyone

857
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: else in my life. Also, I think some people may

858
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: be saying I have a jecko. I think I apologize.

859
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: Also, no, cancer is not sexy, and passing away isn't sexy.

860
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying it just means she is a limited time offer.

861
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: I think he was interested regardless.

862
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just regardless. But now it's like,

863
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: oh wow, I only have like one time to get

864
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: with her and be with this person, and this is

865
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: my only this is my only chance. So so it's

866
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: just that that the timeline is is smushed.

867
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sad like the make rib Yeah, come on,

868
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 3: I can't come on and not be the house for months.

869
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: That's crazy. But we haven't edits. Everyone seems to be

870
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: in agreement that that that this is completely in in appropriate. Yes,

871
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: if not an incredibly sad situation that Max isn't handling

872
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: very well. All speak to him either tonight or tomorrow

873
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: whenever we skype next, and tell him, in no uncertain

874
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: terms that I want him to come home. M there

875
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: we go, OPI you deserve that. You deserve that, Op.

876
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 4: In the time of skype, he's got a weigh with

877
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: much more than that back in the day. Oh gosh,

878
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: you don't have all the technology of location. Yeah, wow, dude.

879
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: He's my boy's getting away with a whole lot. But

880
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: from there we can decide what to do. Since I

881
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: don't want to leave Caroline high in dryitude. Oh, he's

882
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: too empathetic, OPI. Empathetic, but him living there until February

883
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: is out of the question, and we have some relevant

884
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: comments comment number one. He is intending on living with

885
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: his ex until February? Are you to do what? Just wait? No,

886
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: your resentment and discomfort is not wrong. I feel immense

887
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: I feel intense sympathy for her, for your partner. Astly

888
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: death is a terrifying, cold thing. But he's supposed to

889
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 3: be with you. It was not her right to ask

890
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: him to be with her as a husband. This is

891
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: a horror. Did she ask you? My fear is okay,

892
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: So February comes her chemo's done. Now she's weak and

893
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: miserable from chemo? Is he gonna leave her? Then? Feeling

894
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: like that great point? He should have not asked you

895
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 3: over skype. He should have been there in person. When

896
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: is the next time you are supposed to see him?

897
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: Which OPI applies. We're not in a bad place financially,

898
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: but we just can't afford a plane ticket every month,

899
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: then then fly every two minds. Yeah, he needs to

900
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: figure it out. Ah, I've been trying to save up

901
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: to buy a house after the wedding, not to mention

902
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: the cost of the wedding itself. So to answer your question,

903
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: end of January, early February. That's why I'm planning on

904
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: seeing him in person. According to his plan, Well.

905
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna save a lot of money

906
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: on the wedding. That's not gonna happen.

907
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, listen, listen that house it's going up.

908
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: It's going up.

909
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: We're about to get a mansion. Ladies and gentlemen.

910
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, put that wedding money into a house for yourself.

911
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: Low key, super quick. I did hear this uh little

912
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: tidbit once and thought it was kind of fire. It

913
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: was basically like, hey, hey, uh uh, future future spouse,

914
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: do you want a crazy wedding or a crazy house? Hmm?

915
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: That's the question where.

916
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 4: Like in Bali, because the amount you're gonna spend on

917
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: a wedding you can probably get like a three bedroom.

918
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: It's true. In midwestern Ohio, dude, in North Dakota, we

919
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: could get it popping, we could, that's what. And we've

920
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: got all our fans there.

921
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, all our new radio fads.

922
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be in North Dakota. But what are we

923
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: gonna do?

924
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 4: Like her jeep yes, you're listening your favorite activities.

925
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: What are you talking about right now? This is your paradise?

926
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: Oh golly. Another comment to reply to that, so have

927
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: a golden rule? Oh yes, please?

928
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: Just because your axe has an expiration date, does it

929
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: mean you can live with them?

930
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, The king with the golden crown has

931
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: done it again. History has been made here. But dude,

932
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: there hasn't been a new golden rule little while. Who

933
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: can remember? I can't. No.

934
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: That seems more like a platinum Golden rules, sort of

935
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: like it's on the line.

936
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: This is the this is the premium edition. This is

937
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: this is going to stick to your car to subscribe edition.

938
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: You're welcome America. Uh so. A comment to replies, so

939
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: just before the wedding, he expects to spend all this

940
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: time away from you and then just marry you without

941
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: getting any warming up time to get to get to

942
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: remember what it's like for you to be close to him.

943
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: He's had a warming up time.

944
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: Oh god, he's way too warm. He's got some rug

945
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: burns with out him getting any cooling downtime. After having

946
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: lived like a husband with his other woman for most

947
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 3: of a year, this would be entirely unacceptable to me.

948
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 3: OPI I can't figure out a way to phrase this delicately,

949
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: So I hope you forgive me for my bluntness. If

950
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: this relationship ends, are you going to be financially Okay?

951
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: The emotional stuff is one thing. This has to be

952
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: incredibly difficult, and I admire your composure, But just in

953
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 3: terms of strictly physical if he says I'm old enough

954
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: to love her the way I wanted to when we

955
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: were younger and give up on marrying you, are you

956
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: going to be able to make it? I hope that

957
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: you're saving something aside for yourself, something not just in

958
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: a joint account. If there is one, which prepare I

959
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: mean point you gotta this far. You gotta prepare also

960
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: super quick. I did know a person who I don't

961
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: know if he officially got engaged, but he was basically like,

962
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 3: I am going to run around in these streets for

963
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: a year and then like literally day like day before wedding,

964
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: cut it, get married. So he was basically engaged. Yeah,

965
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: and he's like, I have one year. I'm gonna run

966
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: around and just sleep with as many people as possible

967
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: for this year, right up right before I get married

968
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: and then boom, flip the switch get married. What are

969
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 3: their partner thinking about they didn't get married? That's crazy.

970
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate like, I hate that the that some

971
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: people's idea of a bachelor or a slash a bachelotte

972
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: party is last year of freedom.

973
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: I hate that bro a bachelotte party, pactor party lasted

974
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: a year.

975
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, oh god, that's crazy. The congrastination says he

976
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: can stay in the streets.

977
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, so Opie applies to this. Trust me. I'm

978
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: feeling far from composed right now. But thank you. Uh.

979
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: If we're looking at the absolute worst case scenario, the

980
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 3: relationship ending, then the money that we've saved for the

981
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: wedding and the house could be split between us. So

982
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 3: that's probably a decent chunk right there. That's the only

983
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: money we've gotten a joint account right now. Otherwise we

984
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 3: keep individual accounts, so I should have enough to remain

985
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 3: on my feet if I end up on my own.

986
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: But I really hope it doesn't come to that. Great

987
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: and we have the big update. Baby, Yeah, are we ready, gentlemen?

988
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I am ready. Quick prediction con prediction. Oh, it's all

989
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: gonna come crashing down. He's gonna confess his love to her,

990
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: and then OP he's gonna be like, all right, I'm out,

991
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: and then she's gonna pass away, and then OP he's

992
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: gonna come crawl or and then he's gonna come crawling

993
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: back to Op and said I always loved you more anyway.

994
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: And then Oh, he's gonna be like, no, I'm done

995
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: with you.

996
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: Just to be just to be contrarian, just to just

997
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: to just to throw some hope in there. I'm gonna say,

998
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: Max Is like I have been the the biggest idiots

999
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: on planet Earth through my actions. I apologized tremendously, and

1000
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: it's going to take a lot of time and actual

1001
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: work and action and maybe they get back together. You

1002
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: have a lot of faith I am. I am employing

1003
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: all the faith I've got in my body. All right,

1004
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: let's see what happens. Let's find out updates. First off,

1005
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: thank you all so much for your advice and words

1006
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: of support. I'm sorry that I couldn't reply to every comment,

1007
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 3: reply or personal message I got. But I woke up

1008
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: to a locked post and over one hundred one read messages.

1009
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: I promise I did read through all of them. Each

1010
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 3: perspective was incredibly helpful and maybe look at this situation

1011
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: in a completely different way from the botto of my heart.

1012
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: Thank you. I spoke to Max this morning. Yes, all right,

1013
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: some communication, communication, excited. I'm excited for this. And what

1014
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: does opie communicate? They say? I told him that, as

1015
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: terrible as they feel for Caroline, I didn't want him

1016
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: living over there until February. We're getting there.

1017
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: Hey, I like this, but the fact that Max was like,

1018
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this makes me still not have

1019
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: faith in the relationship.

1020
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: Max is for the past. Max is for the past.

1021
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: Slant rat. He's been He's been maxed out.

1022
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: Dude, he's been maxed out.

1023
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 3: We gotta we got to close out that person. Yeah,

1024
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: minimize Max, minimalism, minimize Max studid. I'm a fire now.

1025
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: I suggested that we brainstormed. I love that. I suggested

1026
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: we brainstormed some sort of schedule that allowed him to

1027
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: continue visiting her. He's been crazy. That's crazy. Well even

1028
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: even even postponing our own honeymoon and using the honeymoon

1029
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: money to fund his plane tickets. Yo, no, no, no, no,

1030
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: wait wait wait oh we were doing good until we

1031
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: were doing bad again. Yeah.

1032
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: I love to eat, says backbone growth, but probably is

1033
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds behind where we are. Yeah, the backbone

1034
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: grew an inch and receded four. Love to eat hit

1035
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: that two x Oh Yeah, I'd love to eat. Let

1036
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: us know what you think once you've heard this.

1037
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 4: Babe, should have coun I could just visit my explorers.

1038
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: Dude, you know what he's gonna do. He's gonna take

1039
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 3: the honeymoon money. Guess who's gonna go on a honeymoon

1040
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: with yep?

1041
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: Stop babe, she only has it is It's always been

1042
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 1: her dream for her bucket list to go to brawl

1043
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: with me and get married over there.

1044
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: Also, just back to Sam's original conspiracy theory. And I

1045
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: hate to say it, guys, but we have this story

1046
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: like a lot of row. Yeah, we haven't gotten the

1047
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: true confirmed receipts that the illness is that is true.

1048
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: This is the time of skype.

1049
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 4: Dude, if I if I had Skype, show me her,

1050
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 4: let me.

1051
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: See the tree. Yeah.

1052
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to see the IVY. I want

1053
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: to see I want to see those m ris.

1054
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. She's looking pretty healthy to me. Yeah,

1055
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: with these stories, bro, it might need to do that. Yeah, golly.

1056
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 3: Several commenters brought up her moving over over here for treatment,

1057
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: so I mentioned that as well offering up our spare bedrooms.

1058
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Why don't you just offer up your bed at this point,

1059
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: you know what, just move over?

1060
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 3: Does you know?

1061
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: How about you take the spare bedroom and you know what,

1062
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: kep Caroline in the beds?

1063
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 3: You and your husband, our house and wedding money that's yours.

1064
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 3: Just you know what? You know what? How about you

1065
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: just say the I do.

1066
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: Is to her and that Come on, you're just making

1067
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 4: it more convenient.

1068
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is confusing.

1069
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 4: This is confusing and making it more convenient for the

1070
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 4: husband to keep going.

1071
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: O my god, demonic says, noodle spine reactivated, the noodle

1072
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: is there. I'm so bad.

1073
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm so bad. I emphasized that I didn't fault him

1074
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 3: for wanting to help an old loved one what could

1075
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: be her final days. I mean, I mean, oh, but

1076
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 3: I couldn't help but feel marginalized, especially so close to

1077
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: our wedding. Yeah yeah, yeah, but.

1078
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: What is that feeling that you're feeling right now? Is

1079
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: totally normal? Again, just because an X as an expiration

1080
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: date doesn't mean they can walk all over your relationship. Yes,

1081
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, ask yourself, would this be okay if she

1082
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: was not passing away?

1083
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: Boom?

1084
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: And then give a little bit of grace and that's

1085
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: it and then stop and then stop and then stop

1086
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: right there at the end, stop right there. This is

1087
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: not okay. Please put up some boundaries to save your

1088
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: relationship or don't. And I guess just let this husband

1089
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: show what a what a noodle case?

1090
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: He is? Well, what is Max? This is? Says low

1091
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: self esteem. M We need some self self love, needs

1092
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: some self love.

1093
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: We serve self esteem. You deserve that. An inability to

1094
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: put down boundaries is an inability to source and strengthen

1095
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: one self esteem.

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00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: Usually Max, Max didn't speak very much. Class just listened

1097
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: while I rambled on. When I couldn't think of anything

1098
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: else to add, I asked him to just please say something,

1099
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: ad do get over okay? So he told me the truth.

1100
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: Caroline was never stage four, she was stage two. I'm

1101
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: gonna give it. I'm gonna give it to you. I'm

1102
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: gonna say you called.

1103
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: That, oh, stage two? What does that mean? That means

1104
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 6: they have two more? They have to a lot, a lot,

1105
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 6: a lot.

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00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: Can we can we can we look up what the

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00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: difference between my under Can we look up the survival

1108
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: rate for stage two versus stage four breast cancer.

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 3: Dude, and we know what's coming next. This is only

1110
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: the beginning of the avalanche. We're trickle truth, frickle truth thing.

1111
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: JUDGEA said, you can recover from stage two. Stage two

1112
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: breast cancer has yeah, eighty six percent survival rate versus

1113
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: stage four, which has a thirty percent. Also also just

1114
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: to look at that, that's a thirty percent after.

1115
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: Five years survival rate even at stage four, so she

1116
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: might be a lot for five years. Exactly thirty was

1117
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: at stage four. She's at stage.

1118
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: Two eighty six percent. Eighty six percent, Ladies and gentlemen.

1119
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna be giving them colling cancer because

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00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna rip them a new one.

1121
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: Get it right on fire today, dude. Watching watching Riley

1122
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: produce is like watching Picasso painted painting. That is, watching

1123
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: Michael Jolo put a brush on a ceiling. Yeah, so beautiful.

1124
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: Or just like, get that little little little wiener on

1125
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: the statue of David just right, you know.

1126
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: Little it's not too scary. He's kissing it.

1127
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, not to it domidating like, oh, dude,

1128
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: I got something on the stand.

1129
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: Can somebody clip that I didn't say anything?

1130
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: He reassured me that the rest of the story is true.

1131
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, believe everything else.

1132
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: Don't worry. It's cool. Great Caroline asking him to be

1133
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: with her, the initial surgery being unsuccessful, her cancer, her

1134
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: chemo treatment, plant, et cetera, et cetera. But apparently her

1135
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: chances of survival are far greater than he led me

1136
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: to believe. Max said he lied because he felt it

1137
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: was the only way I could understand his need to

1138
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: be with her. You are telling on yourself. What if

1139
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: you just told the truth? Dude?

1140
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: Again, we've already had I feel like a couple of

1141
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: red flags already.

1142
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is another one.

1143
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: Oh oh, look at the flags in front of you

1144
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: and look at their color and listen.

1145
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: Please. Yeah.

1146
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 4: Do you want to say I do to someone that's

1147
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: been lying so much.

1148
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 3: Can't even trust their ideas? Not at all? Uh? He

1149
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: thought that if her situation seemed less dire than literally

1150
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 3: life or death, I wouldn't agree to him, essentially moving

1151
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: across the country. Yeah, don't come. You are telling on

1152
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 3: yourself because it's crazy. Yeah, you you.

1153
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: You were like, well, I have to manipulate you. Are

1154
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: you working to let me see my ex girlfriend?

1155
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: Oh? Oh you would, you would. We wouldn't let me

1156
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: leave you my fiance to go live with the girl

1157
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: that I married eight years ago and then we got divorced, dude,

1158
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: And and way less my argument, way less painful to

1159
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: just rip, rip off the band aid and be like, hey,

1160
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: she wants me back, I'm leaving so she can she

1161
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 3: she knows, Okay, this happened. I can now start the

1162
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: healing process. She's been stuck in the most painful limbo

1163
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 3: ever and she's and he's not even he's not even done.

1164
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: It's not even done.

1165
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: Like he's saying this as a way to like repair

1166
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: the relationship.

1167
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, if you're going to do that, the bare

1168
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: minimum you could do is like actually communicate.

1169
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: Also, like and this is what you're saying, why not

1170
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: just why not just go with Caroline?

1171
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know you seem like a lot.

1172
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 4: She has an eighty six percent chance or keep going.

1173
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now she's a cancer survivor. Hopefully, dude, that

1174
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: gives her more cloud. That gives her more cloud. Model

1175
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: cancer survivor.

1176
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: She's gonna get more jobs, She's gonna get more rich.

1177
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is the option.

1178
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: Again, We're not sane. Sorry, We're not saying that this

1179
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: is a better option than OP. To be clear, I'm

1180
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: just just saying like there were just easier things than

1181
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: just manipulating OP and putting yourself in this this limbo

1182
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: like this, this is the worst option he wants to

1183
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a piece of crap. At least be

1184
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: upfront about it.

1185
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: Be smart, be smart.

1186
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: He wants to have his cake and eat it out too.

1187
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: What he wants hashuldag eat out the rich.

1188
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: Never let that die? Thank you?

1189
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, OPI needs to grow background this. This guy is

1190
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: tearle leave.

1191
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: He admitted to telling her that our wedding date had

1192
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: postponed to next August. Oh my, a lie. From February

1193
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 3: to August A lie.

1194
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: He's lying on both sides, dude.

1195
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: Giving her the impression that him being away until February

1196
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: would be no problem. He has also been the one

1197
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 3: insisting on remaining by her side after her surgery. She

1198
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: had given him permission to return home and also also

1199
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: a mission.

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01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: Dude, you know what I think, tell me I think

1201
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Caroline isn't even that end Op's husband, but it's like

1202
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: the closest thing that she has and like totally friend

1203
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: zoned him. But Op's husband's just biting at the bit

1204
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: trying to get in a relationship with her. But Caroline's

1205
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: the one like, hey, like, you know, you should go

1206
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: home to your wife.

1207
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, no, no, because I think she said

1208
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: initially it was like she didn't really have any family members.

1209
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 3: So that initial moment of like I feel alone, I

1210
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: feel overwhelmed. Yeah, who am I going to go to?

1211
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: But literally the closest thing I have? Fine, yeah, which

1212
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: also where's your friends? But even beside the point, and

1213
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: then he saw his opportunity.

1214
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I think Caroline, though crazy to ask,

1215
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: was maybe thought it was okay in her eyes. Yeah,

1216
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: just reconnect because she's like, oh, this is just a friend.

1217
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, I read this messed up story. Basically

1218
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: this girl, I think this is what Max is doing.

1219
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 4: This girl was really close to her sister. She passed

1220
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 4: away and and got with her boyfriend. Six months later,

1221
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 4: and three years later, he did something really messed up,

1222
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 4: thinking it would make her go back into her depressed

1223
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 4: mood because he was the knight in silver armor or

1224
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 4: shiny armor, and he liked that whenever she was kind

1225
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 4: of a dance well in distress, always moody, and he

1226
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 4: was like always looked her up.

1227
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: He might like this.

1228
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 4: Part of Caroline and wants to stay around it because

1229
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 4: he's like, she's dependent on me.

1230
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 3: I can ye.

1231
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: Savior complex, Yes, savior complex, dude, kend a kiss Kadechy,

1232
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: says Samuel on it. I bet that's one hundred percent help.

1233
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: She needed the help and now she's ready for him

1234
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: to go. Hero complex says Jellybah.

1235
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1236
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a combination.

1237
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: Just when you thought this guy couldn't be, couldn't be

1238
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 3: doing it worse yet it's somehow. This is layers. This

1239
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: is layers, dude.

1240
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: I cannot. I am in thralled. This is a This

1241
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: is a top tier story right here, top tier.

1242
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 3: She had given him permission to return home, saying that

1243
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be fair to pressure him into living with

1244
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: her throughout her entire chemo treatment. As much as she

1245
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: would have liked him there, he refused to leave. He

1246
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: told her that I supported this decision fully. By the way,

1247
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: if you want to support us fully, if you want

1248
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: to listen to two thousand episodes.

1249
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 5: Of Bangers just like this. Go to Spotify, Apple Podcast

1250
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 5: your favorite podcast apps searched. Okay, story time, we got

1251
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 5: two thousand apps for you. But gentlemen, we got a decent,

1252
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 5: little little little chunk left here. Okay, shall we dive in.

1253
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 3: Let's say it.

1254
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: Max swears that he's not in love with her still,

1255
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: but I just can't believe that he lied to my face.

1256
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 3: Before she visited our apartment back in May. He warned

1257
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: me not to mention her being stage four as she

1258
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 3: is still extremely sensitive about it, and I completely bought

1259
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: into that line. Wow, I trusted him. What a crazy

1260
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 3: thing to trust your fiance. Who would have thunk he

1261
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 3: put his past with her over his future with me? Oh,

1262
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: bar bar bar, Barbara bar bar. I will be spending

1263
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: the next few months apartment hunting and canceling the wedding plans.

1264
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 3: Get that big house. Oh he got there, Get that

1265
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 3: big house. We got It was a long painful journey,

1266
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 3: but we did arrive at our intended destination. Let's freaking go.

1267
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 3: Thank you for all your kind words and edit. I'm

1268
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 3: blown away by the outpouring of support I'm receiving. I

1269
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: wish I could respond to each of you individually. Thank

1270
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: you so much. This is a wonderful community and I

1271
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: appreciate all of your thoughts. And there's some relevant comments too.

1272
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 3: Uh OHP says if they end up back together, the

1273
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: best of luck to them. For all of Max's faults,

1274
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 3: he's technically been loyal to her throughout all of this.

1275
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: Oh dude, Oh, he's too nice, too nice. I guess

1276
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 3: I'm just past caring. My goal now is to be

1277
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 3: out of this apartment before he comes home. I don't

1278
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: ever want to see him again.

1279
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: I want to know what's going to happen to Max

1280
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: and Caroline.

1281
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 3: There's no more updates. We do have some relevant comments, though,

1282
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: hopefully hopefully get a little tidbit. Comment to number one,

1283
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 3: Caroline seems like a nice human. I bet she will

1284
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: see that he screwed his future over in hopes of

1285
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: rekindling a past romance. I will bet good fake money

1286
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: that she will tell him off eventually, and he will

1287
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: come crawling back to you begging for forgiveness. No decent

1288
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 3: person can keep a booty cleaner like that and have

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Speaker 3: a clean conscious. Comment to number two. I can't figure

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Speaker 3: out what his motive might be other than trying to

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Speaker 3: get back with his ex.

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Speaker 1: Comment number two, you're a regular home over there. We're

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Speaker 1: doing like gymnastics.

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Speaker 3: Man. Want to find out what this could be other

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Speaker 3: than that, what would it be? Comment number three. How

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Speaker 3: did he take the breakup? Op replies, He kept apologizing

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Speaker 3: to me, not very sincerely, though he sounded tired. And

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Speaker 3: when I said that I'd be moving out as soon

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Speaker 3: as possible, he replied, Yo, that's probably for the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we know that's what you think. We know that, we

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Speaker 3: know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think cooking, honest, I do, I do think.

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Speaker 3: Tell me.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's not mad because he's got something set

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Speaker 1: up with Caroline already.

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Speaker 3: And was it the whole plan all along? Yeah, to

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01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: just keep pushing Ope into she until she was the

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Speaker 3: one that was like, I don't want this anymore, because

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 3: it's easier to push someone away than to say I

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Speaker 3: don't want to do this. Because he says, let's push

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Speaker 3: the wedding back so I can stay with her and

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Speaker 3: live with her for a few months. That is, I

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Speaker 3: am a shrimp jelly spine, and I just want to

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Speaker 3: be a horrible person you to force you to break

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Speaker 3: up with me. That is exactly what that is. Ready.

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Speaker 3: The one thing he asked for was my ring cycle.

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Speaker 1: Reduce, reuse and close the loop.

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Speaker 3: Reuse that ring on Caraline, and stop trading blood diamonds.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take a golden rule about rings.

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Speaker 4: Uh, like, if their heirloom, you give it back.

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Speaker 3: If amicably, you give it back. If not, ures girl,

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think you give it back regardless.

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Speaker 3: If he you have to really really f over because

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Speaker 3: that's what do they steal money from you? Well, then

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Speaker 3: it's just like a tap, like he's gonna give it

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Speaker 3: a Caroline.

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Speaker 4: Huh, he's just gonna give the ring to Caroline.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, let him do that, Let let

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Speaker 1: her rummage through your your your past relationship.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think that's that's that's that's that's

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Speaker 3: a lot. That's petty.

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Speaker 1: That's petty over self care, because that's just gonna give

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Speaker 1: he's going to be mad at you and then he's

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Speaker 1: going to try to go after you might see you.

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Speaker 3: I think that's that would suck. Oh yeah, I guess you.

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Speaker 3: Technically you can't do that because there's no marriage that.

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Speaker 1: Just because says I legally, once it's given the fiance

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Speaker 1: owns the ring.

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Speaker 3: Is that true? Really? Is that true? Oh? It is

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Speaker 3: a gift? Is a is a is a ring a gift?

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Speaker 1: I'm in support of the idea that a ring is

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Speaker 1: a gift.

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Speaker 4: It's a gift or is it a loan to you?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna put this loan down your mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is a ring a gift or alone? Because I've always

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Speaker 1: heard of it as you give the ring and then

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Speaker 1: they give it back to you if they don't want

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Speaker 1: to marry you.

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Speaker 3: The marriage is the contract when you actually get married.

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Speaker 3: That is like both both like legally and morally. The

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Speaker 3: thing that makes it not a gift anymore as.

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Speaker 1: Long as you're not alone anymore or a gift.

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Speaker 3: That it's not a loan anymore, it becomes a gift.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I think it becomes a gift

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Speaker 1: on marriage. It's a loan up until then, can we

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Speaker 1: pull it? I'm curious. Yeah, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of people saying gift, Yeah, yeah, gift or loan? I

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Speaker 1: would love to know chat today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've never really thought about this because usually

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Speaker 1: people are like, I hate you, and.

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Speaker 3: Is a ring a gift or a loan? Let us know,

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Speaker 3: let us know, but we're gonna keep going here. So

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Speaker 3: the one thing he asked for was my ring, which

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Speaker 3: I agreed to mail to Caroline's address. I'm realizing that

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Speaker 3: he checked out of this relationship a while ago.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Hey, it's Sam. We're going to get back to

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Speaker 1: these stories. But here's three minutes of ads from our sponsors.

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Speaker 4: Also, the ring was not an heirloom. I looked at that,

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Speaker 4: and she plans on going no contact with him. That's

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Speaker 4: in the comments. So I like skinned him.

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Speaker 3: And that was right, right right right right? M yeah,

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Speaker 3: so far the votes are coming in early, but Chat

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Speaker 3: is saying a gift aka if they if they split,

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Speaker 3: then she can keep the ring. Essentially, is the idea here?

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Speaker 3: Here we go? How about this? Howo this? Yeah? If you.

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Speaker 1: I think here, here's a rule. Chat, let me know

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Speaker 1: if you agree with this. If you propose to someone

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Speaker 1: and give the ring, and the person who proposes breaks

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Speaker 1: off the wedding by being unfaithful or just breaking off,

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Speaker 1: then maybe the person gets to keep it. But if

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Speaker 1: the other person breaks off the wedding by being unfaithful

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Speaker 1: or just because they give.

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Speaker 3: It back, I guess like if we use that logic

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Speaker 3: on the story, it does apply where Caroline can keep

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Speaker 3: the ring because he was the one.

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Speaker 1: He's the one who broke it off and was like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: He essentially broke the contract of like, hey, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: get married and I'm not gonna live with my ex

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Speaker 3: wife for several months.

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Speaker 1: That being said, I think the best thing, generally, like

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Speaker 1: in all cases, would just be to give it back

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Speaker 1: to avoid drama.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that would be best.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Chat does Chat's eighty gift Team Gifts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, team Gift. Interesting. I think I'm more team Loan

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Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna lie. I think I'm team Loan.

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Speaker 3: I'm team Loan. Who's five me? Yeah, go ahead, let

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Speaker 3: us know. But that's where I'm at right now. But

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Speaker 3: that's all we got for that story and this episode.

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