1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Quody Dogs with Joseph Scott More. I've always been a 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: fan of geography. I was a fan of maps for years. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: I would look at any map, and I think that 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: may have translated over to my son, because now my 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: son is a GIS major. You know, he does the 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: geospatial information system stuff and finishing up college right now. 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him. And he makes maps. That's 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: kind of cool, I think, and he studies satellite imagery 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: and all of that. But one of the things I've 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: always been fascinated with regarding maps are looking at the 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: origins of things. And specifically, you say, well, Morgan, how 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: can a map have an origin? Well, the map itself 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: has an origin. But what I'm talking about are bodies 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: of water, particularly moving bodies of water, and those are 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: most of the time where they originate from. Those are 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: called headwaters. Today, I want to talk about the headwaters 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: of one of my favorite locations in the world, and 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: my buddy Dave Mack will attest to this, and that's 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: the Kusa River. The Kuser River starts way north of 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: where I live now, but I enjoy it all the 21 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: time of my old boat that I've got. But the 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Kuser River flows through a lake and it's a world 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: famous lake actually for a very specific kind of fish 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: called crappy. Yeah you heard that term, right, crappy crappy. 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: South Louisiana we call them sakuday. But what I want 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: to tell you about is something that happened in an 27 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: R and V park many many years ago, involving one 28 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: of the most notorious mass killers in the history of 29 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: the South. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body bags. 30 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Dave always talked about it. You know, I love my boat, man, 31 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: I love my boat. I love my wife, I love 32 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: my son and my daughter. I love my grandbabies. 33 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: But your feelings for your boat go even deeper, don't they. 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: I tell you what. But you know the case that 35 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: we're or literally I'm doing a disservice by saying case. Yeah, boy, 36 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I got to use not just little plural, I got 37 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: to use gigantic plural today. 38 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: Man, You know, because we're talking about cases, talking about 39 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: Mark Barton and the guy who pulled off that's not 40 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: the right term, but the guy who committed the worst 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: mass casualty shooting in the state of Georgia, and that 42 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: wasn't all he killed. That wasn't the only time that 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: he I mean, when we talk about a mass killer 44 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: of going in and killing a bunch of people in 45 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: one day or one spot, he is that guy. But 46 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: besides those that he killed in one spot or two 47 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: spots in a general vicinity in Atlanta, he had already 48 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: killed three others previous to that, and two others previous 49 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: to that, separated by a number of years. Mark Barton, 50 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: when I dug into this story, is the filthiest disgusting 51 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: killer I've ever seen in all of the dealings we've 52 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: had to deal with Joe. Because he doesn't kill in 53 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: just one way. I don't know if you would call 54 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: him a spree killer, because he certainly kills his own 55 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: family members, he kills the people that he's closest to, 56 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: and then he kills people because he believes that they 57 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: did him wrong in business. This guy, if he wasn't 58 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: already gone from this earth by his own hand, he 59 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: would have been killed in prison because of all the 60 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: damage he did to innocent people who had nothing but 61 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: love for the guy. 62 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's look, I'm not going to diminish in 63 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: any way anyway. I'm going back to your comment about 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: prison if he had survived to that point. He's a 65 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: child killer too, Yes, I mean he is a child 66 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: killy killed bookoo adults, but he and. 67 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: He possibly a child molester. Yeah that yeah, I've been 68 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: taking through this story. His daughter at two and a 69 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: half years old, not in the middle of a divorce 70 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: or a custody issue or anything else. She uttered to 71 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: a teacher at daycare that her daddy molested her, and 72 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: there was an investigation. Now, I know I'm putting the 73 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: horse ahead of the card is in what you say, 74 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: but that was one of the many things I found 75 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: out when we're talking about a child killer child. This 76 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: guy is the I did realize how bad he was, Joe. 77 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're dealing with our murderer, but sometimes, sadly, 78 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: we detach when somebody does something that just seems to 79 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: be like a shotgun approach to life. You know, they 80 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: just indiscriminately shoot people that they don't really have a 81 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: personal connection with. That somehow we separate those types of 82 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: killers from those who do kill a family member, somebody 83 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: they have a relationship with, or the types of the 84 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: way that they kill. Normally, when we have somebody who 85 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: has committed more than one murder. They do have their 86 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: own SOP. They've got their own standard operating procedure or 87 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: modus operande. However, you say these things, you know that, 88 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: I mean, they do kill. They prefer a certain method 89 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: and they stay down that path. 90 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: They do. And you know one of the things that 91 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: and this listen, this term maybe it had been prior 92 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: to me. Listen, I don't know everything. And if you 93 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: ever come across somebody that claims they do run away, 94 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: don't walk run away as fas as you can from 95 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: somebody that says they know everything. 96 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: And they want to be president of the United States. 97 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: When they say those two things, I know everything, I'll 98 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: fix every problem for me. 99 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go with. There's a term that has 100 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: come up, and you're talking about familiarity relative to killers. 101 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: And I know you've heard this murder kit where they 102 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: have a set of tools that they operate with. And 103 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: we've heard this over and over again about serialized events 104 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: Israel Keys. Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, exactly that the 105 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: and methodologies. Methodology is very dependent upon what the goal is. 106 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: And you can think about a spree killer. Could a 107 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: spree killer be could they have a murder kit. Well, 108 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: they put together a kit many times if they if 109 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: they've got multiple weapons with them, they won't fail safe 110 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Is that a murder kit? Yeah? Possibly, 111 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: But when you hear the term murder kit, you think about, well, 112 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: they've got tape, they've got bindings, maybe they've got things 113 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: to clean up with, and of course they've got weapons 114 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: that they prefer not something that's going to be a 115 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: weapon of convenience. But look, I got to take you 116 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: back in time. You know I was working. This goes 117 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: back to well, the main thing here is, you know, 118 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: we talked about the mass shooting that took place in Atlanta, 119 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: a senior investigator with the Medical Examiner's Office. Yeah, in 120 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine and what in what became known as 121 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: the Buckhead massacre. And it was a weird time back 122 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: then because just the week before the Buckhead massacre, we 123 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: had worked another massive loss of life event in southwest 124 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: Atlanta that I think, and I'm going to get this wrong, probably, 125 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: but I think it's referred to as the Mechanicsville masker, 126 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: and we had a whole family that was wiped out 127 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: in a tiny little home with one of the children 128 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: surviving an eleven year old that had hid in a closet, 129 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: and I actually got injured on that scene. I slipped, 130 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: pulled a groin muscle. I was wearing a taieeksuit, and 131 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: there was so much blood in that house that when 132 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: I put my foot down in the hallway and they 133 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: were old heart pine floors that were polished, there was 134 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: so much blood, Dave that I slid and split the 135 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: taieksuit and pulled a groin muscle all at the same time. 136 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: And I'm wearing like a mask over my face. I've 137 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: got a headcover on, gloves, that sort of thing. And 138 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: I had to get myself out of the house and retool, 139 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: refit and get back in because even though I'd injured myself, 140 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: there ain't nobody else to do the job. You got 141 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: to get back in there. And I'll never forlyget that. 142 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: I preached that all the time, you know, so you 143 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: got to you got to live by you preaching. Man, 144 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: if that's what you're going to do and you have 145 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: to stay on, it doesn't matter now. I mean, if 146 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: you lose lose an arm or something, you're obviously, but 147 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: if you can because no one has the mindset that 148 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: you do if you're the primary investigator on a scene 149 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: and you've already seen everything. 150 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: And every minute gets further and further away from the 151 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: moment it happened, which means it's a change circumstance. Now 152 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: it's a change situation. 153 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: It does. And then the week the next week we 154 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: had the Buckhead masker with Mark Barton and it was 155 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't David. It wasn't just a single building. 156 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: He migrated from one spot to another, just raining down hell, 157 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: And we're talking about what was And most many people, 158 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: particularly those that are much younger in our audience, are 159 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: not even going to be familiar with this term. There's 160 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: a term called day trading. 161 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 162 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: And you would go to you would go to a 163 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: specific location where they had dedicated computers and you had 164 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: to pay for time at this thing, and you would 165 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: sit down and you would do trades like you were 166 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: on the floor, you know, up at one and they 167 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: had the tickers everywhere and all this sort of thing. 168 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: But you were an individual doing this, and people would 169 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: do their own LLC's, you know, and just go to 170 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: the terminal is a dedicated terminal hardwired in and you'd 171 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: be trading all day and. 172 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: That's what Mark Barton did. He actually was a day trader. 173 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: He didn't start out that way. He did not start 174 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: out with a goal of being a Wall Street day trader. 175 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: By the way, when this happened, I remember how it 176 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: was covered in the media by people like me a 177 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: lot of because for many of us we heard of 178 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: day traders. If you remember back in the late nineties, 179 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: there was a lot of fast happening on Wall Street 180 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: and on the Nasdaq. There was so much happening because 181 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: of the tech stocks, and. 182 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there were We were. 183 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: On the front hand side of the bubble, and boy. 184 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: It was like people, it was a wild wets man. 185 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: People were making hundreds of thousands of dollars with minimal investments. 186 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: It was a huge time. And Mark Barton in the 187 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: summer of ninety nine, this is two years before the 188 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: bubble burst, just to give you an idea, there were 189 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: ups and downs, but a lot of people were making 190 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: bank and Mark Barton, whatever he chose, was the wrong 191 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: way for a while, and he had had a number 192 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: of really down months financially as a day trader. That 193 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: brought him to a point of desperation. But Joe, I 194 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: don't know that that was the only reason when we 195 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: looked back at his life, this man had gotten away 196 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: with murder all before he ever pulled a gun on 197 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: the people he blamed for losing money. He was already 198 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: a murderer who hadn't been convicted. 199 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: And isn't that the fascinating thing about this you talk 200 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: about you know, we go on and on about people 201 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: that walk into businesses and schools and all these horrible 202 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: just tragedies that happened, and people hold on to your 203 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: hat here, Dave, I got to tell you, even though 204 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: you're not wearing a hat, I'm looking at you right now. 205 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: It's almost wrote now. Because it seems like every talking 206 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: head in the media will always ask this question. They'll say, 207 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: were there warning signs? 208 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: He was always such a nice guy. 209 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. In this case, Dave, Oh, let me tell you something. 210 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: There were warning signs. And those warning signs came in 211 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: the form of a double homicide at the headwaters of 212 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: the Coosa River, Cherokee County, Alabama. David, I wanted to 213 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: go down this road with you about Mark Barton because 214 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: I was sitting here and I was thinking how the 215 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: buckhead masker this summer, it will have been a quarter 216 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: century since that happened, and I still I still remember 217 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: all of my colleagues that were involved, you know, there 218 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: physically on the scene. We were back in taking the 219 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: bodies at the morgue, you know, trying to make sure 220 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: that we could get people identified because it's a total 221 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: just for neetic mess and it was horrible, these things 222 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: that we were witnessing. But Dave, I got to tell 223 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: you when we found out about the suspect in the 224 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: shooting and that he also had two open homicides that 225 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: had been laid at his feet, that already thought that 226 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: and they they they had happened six years earlier. And 227 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: that's the reason, you know, I made the comment about, oh, gee, 228 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: were there any warning signs. It's not like he's you know, 229 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: running around the neighborhood nicked and howling at the moon 230 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: or anything. No, nothing quite that subtle. We're talking about 231 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: somebody that went to a campground, went to a campground 232 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: and killed his then wife and mother in law with 233 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: a Charlotte instrument, was allegedly because. 234 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: He was never convicted of that crime. He's dead now 235 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: and he was on the only suspect they ever had, 236 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: and you you know, the warning sign. I actually pulled 237 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: this quote, Joe because I wanted to. Yeah, it was. 238 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: You're talking about his wife and her mother. It's Liberty 239 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,239 Speaker 2: weekend there at Wi Lake up in Cherokee County, Alabama, 240 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: and his wife and her mother are murdered inside the 241 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: camp the trailer and his father in law says, until 242 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: the murders, Mark was the perfect son in law until 243 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: the murders. Until Mark was the perfect son in law. 244 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: So how did they die? Because there was no forced entry? Right, 245 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: wasn't it didn't it look like a robbery? 246 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was, But there was even jewelry and 247 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: like six hundred dollars cash left behind. I don't know 248 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: if it's thief, No, they generally don't. And also thieves 249 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: that force. You think about force entry and people, you know, 250 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: literally kicking indoors. I've had this happened. I've had people 251 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: throw stuff through windows to gain access to individuals and murdering, 252 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff like that that you see out there. 253 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: But anytime that we have no no signs of force entry, 254 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: and that's always our qualifying remark, no signs of fourthentury 255 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: of struggle. You always hear that in every one. 256 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: Of these, is it really that figures of a TV thing? 257 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's it's true the TV world took 258 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: that from us. It's something that's a canned comment that 259 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: is made throughout the country. I've come across a review 260 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: and reports. But you know, you're state you're making a 261 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: very broad assertion here that upon my initial observation this 262 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: blood bath that I wound up walking into, I didn't 263 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: see any force entry, you know, or now as far 264 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: as the struggle goes, there was blood that was essentially 265 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: cast off all over the bathroom mirror, you know, in 266 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: this place. And here here's the thing. They didn't find 267 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: a weapon either, but they kept saying I've heard I've 268 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: heard people say that they were bludgeoned, and I've had 269 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: other people say that it was sharp force, and I've 270 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: heard hatchet. And this is from a forensic standpoint. One 271 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: of the things that you get with a hatchet or 272 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: an axe is that when you start doing these strikes 273 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: on an individual, it has a let's see, how can 274 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: I put this? It will have features sometimes of a 275 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: blunt force. Okay, because you're coming down if you just imagine, 276 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: just imagine a hatchet right now, something you buy a 277 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: big box store or whatever. It's got a single blade, 278 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: and then you think about the backside of it. Okay, 279 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: that backstrap on it, that's very weighted. That's the reason 280 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: axes are made that way. They're like a gigantic steel 281 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: wedge that you can drive through the air and cut something. Well, 282 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they get twisted, you know, as this fevers thing 283 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: that's going on. You're not always going to hit perfectly 284 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: with that leading edge, so you'll get these big nasty contusions. 285 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: Now you will get a leading edge there that's kind 286 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: of clean if they can drive that edge through the body. 287 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: And when you see what's really in press is you 288 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: go down to the bone and if you do like 289 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: a microscopic section a cross section of the bone, when 290 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: you're looking at it, David things, it looks like the 291 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: V hole on a boat. It's got a perfect V 292 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: shape in there, and it kind of trenches out. But 293 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: then you'll get these little spider web fractions fractures rather 294 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: that run away from it. And so that and since 295 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: they didn't leave leave a weapon, that seen one was 296 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: not recovered. I think that's that's where the pathologist at 297 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: the time back in ninety three when they were doing 298 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: the autopsies on both his wife at that time and 299 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: the mother in law, they were thinking, hey, you know, 300 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 1: we don't have the weapon, but boy, this shared us 301 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: look like an axe or a hatchet here because you're 302 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: going to get these these two injuries that kind of communicate. 303 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: But here's the big question. And you know me, brother, 304 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: you know I hate the word why I do. Let's 305 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: say what what would have been the motivation of Mark 306 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: Barton killing these two women? 307 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: Well they found out pretty quick, but they think it 308 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: was the motivation. 309 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, I'll let you do this big reveal 310 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: because I got to tell you. You know what they say, 311 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: the root right, the root of what you know. So 312 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: you go back and you think about the later day 313 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: trading career that he was to have. 314 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: The love was money friends. He There were two things. One, 315 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: as they began investigating, okay, that no sign of forced entry. Okay, 316 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: I read this in the report on the police investigation. 317 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: They found out though immediately since there's no forced entry, 318 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: who did they know that would have access? Okay? What 319 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 2: kind of relationship does he have with his wife? And 320 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: you know they were looking at his father in law too, 321 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 2: because you know his wife's dead didn't. So they're looking 322 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: at these guys in Low and Bold. They find down 323 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: four days ago. Four days ago, Mark Barton took out 324 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy on his wife. 325 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, there's ding ding ding number one. Deborah 326 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: Barton has six hundred thousand life insurance. So they talked 327 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: to the insurance company and find out, well, he actually 328 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: wanted a million, but he couldn't cover the payment, so 329 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: they settled for six hundred thousand dollars. That was their 330 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: first tip off of who their suspect might be. Now, 331 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 2: taking it a step further, they looked at the crime scene. 332 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: A purse had been dumped out of Eluise Spivey, the 333 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: fifty nine year old mother of Deborah Barton. Her purse 334 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: is dumped out, and it's made to look like a robbery. 335 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: The problem was, yes, there were a couple of pieces 336 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 2: of jewelry missing, but there's an envelope with six one 337 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: hundred dollars bills in it, and no robber in his 338 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: right mind is leaving cash. It just ain't gonna happen. 339 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: No, And and most of the time when you get 340 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: these kind of robberies, these home invasion kind of robberies 341 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: like this, And there have been a there have been 342 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: these things where you will have r V parks, we'll 343 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: have like ne'er do wells, they're like camping out in 344 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: the woods adjacent to it. Lots of times their druggies 345 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: and these things are generally very violent. But Bubba, let 346 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: me tell you something. They're not walking out of that 347 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: scene without without everything of value. They're like vultures. They'll 348 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: pick over everything. And so when you you know, you 349 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: had pointed out, well, why would they leave cash behind? Jewelrys? 350 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: One thing? You got to take jewelry to either somebody 351 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: that confents jewelry or somebody or to a pawn shop. 352 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: And that's gonna that's gonna catch people's eye. Cash but 353 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: you've got the green bags, baby, you can go spend 354 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: that anywhere you can go. You can go to the 355 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: you can go buy a pack of gum with it. 356 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, you got you know, eighty dollars 357 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: in cash. Well, i'll say eighty that a lot of gum. 358 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: But as you're walking, yeah, but you're spind it as 359 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: you would leave, you know, you don't have to do 360 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: anything cash is king. But yeah, when they start investigating, 361 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: and again this wasn't they didn't solve it. They had 362 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: a suspect in Mark Barton. But according to the investigators 363 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: in the share, they all everybody was looking at Mark Barton. 364 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: I mean, the family was everybody liked him for this crime. 365 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: And you know, I still can't find out, Joe and 366 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: I have looked for this. His alibi was that he 367 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: was home Marietta or just outside of Atlanta with the 368 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: two kids, two children very small. 369 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: Very small? 370 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: Did he bring them with here and go there? You 371 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: go and leave them asleep in the minivan while he 372 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: sneaks in the middle of the night and destroys his 373 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 2: wife and her mother, And then I mean, he's going 374 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: to have to be covered in blood. How does he 375 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: get out of the camper without being covered in blood? 376 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: Joe, it's bone chilling, and he yeah, he would have 377 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: had to have had because listen, if if you're going 378 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: to attack somebody with a weapon like this, they're not 379 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: just going to sit back and allow you to attack them. 380 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: They're going to see it coming. They're gonna throw up 381 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: their arms, they're going to try to move. By the way, 382 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: It's not like a static thing where you know, like 383 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: if you've got oh let's just use an example of 384 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: an axe, you've got a piece of wood before you, 385 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: or maybe you're chopping down the tree. Well, you can 386 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: hit the trees manytimes, you won't. You can take chunks 387 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: out of the tree. Ain't gonna move human beings when 388 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: they're hit with an edged weapon. Trust me, those pain 389 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: centers are firing and they're trying to get out of 390 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: the way. This is something Dave that has always held 391 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: through in my career. I see, you know, I'll think 392 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: about it. I'll think about it when i'm in the 393 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: because you are, you're literally in the wake of these 394 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: horrific events and you're looking at it and first off, 395 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: you're thinking about the person. You're thinking, does your mind work? 396 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, what were you thinking? And you see the 397 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: through line in it sometimes and you're thinking, Okay, you're 398 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: you're a deputy sheriff in a small rural community in Alabama, 399 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: and can you imagine showing up at that RV park 400 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: and you know, most of the time you've got people 401 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: and it's the world, it's the crappy capital of the world. 402 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: I think they call it up there, and on Lake Wise. 403 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: People come there to catch this specific species of fish, 404 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: and they're. 405 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: Everywhere panfish guys, you see, you. 406 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, and like a march yeah yeah, like a 407 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: bluegill on the Gigantic. And so you've got like what's 408 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: starting in late February, March and going into April. They're 409 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: going on bed and then there's another thing that happens 410 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: in the fall. I'm not completely familiar with it, but anyway, 411 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: the most you're you know, if you're you're gonna say 412 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: do you have a fishing license? Or what are you 413 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: doing here? Why are you drunk out here in public? 414 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: Because they're going to camp out and all. But can 415 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: you imagine being a deputy and you walk into this 416 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: RV and the thing is bathed in blood, and this 417 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: person's a ghost. They've just vanished into thin air. What 418 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to put on Mark Barton's hat here, 419 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: but I got to ask you, what do you think 420 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: his motivation? Well, I mean, what do you do with 421 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: the rest of your life at that point in time. 422 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: After you just destroyed your wife and her mother? If 423 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: I'm at the mother of your children, by the way, 424 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: you know, I believe those two children in the car. 425 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: I believe those two children were asleep. I believe that 426 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: Mark Barton hopped back in his Ford Taurus, which was 427 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: fairly new at the time, and stripped off whatever he 428 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: wore to cover himself while he was in there. He 429 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: wasn't a stupid guy, knew what it was like to 430 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: wear lab stuff, and hopped out in the car and 431 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 2: drove home. And Mark Barton was the suspect. He was 432 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: there only suspect, And there were some things that happened 433 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: in the investigation. They brought him in. Now, father in law, 434 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: he said he was great right up till the murders. 435 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: You know, great son in law. Mark Barton would not 436 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: take a polygraph. So uh, father in law not happy 437 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: about that. His wife and his daughter are dead and 438 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: the one guy won't take a polygraph. 439 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: So oh they're chewed to pieces. Yeah, they're absolutely And 440 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, the father in law had to go back. 441 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: He had to see that RV. Oh. You know, that's 442 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: something he had to live with. So I can only 443 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: imagine when this guy is refusing to take to take 444 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: the polygraph. And here's another thing. And I can say 445 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: this as being you know, being a papa. Now, can 446 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: you imagine what's going on in your mind as a 447 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: grandfather and you're like, yeah, this animal has my two 448 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: grand babies. Yep. 449 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: And that led to a battle, Joe. Actually after the death, okay, 450 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: after police the guy took out a six one hundred 451 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: thousand dollars life insurance policy. His wife's now dead. Four 452 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: days later, after he takes that out, there was a battle. 453 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: There was custody issues over the children. Mark Barton was 454 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 2: the suspect. They couldn't pin it on him, Joe. The 455 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: thing is, he was living in Lithia Springs, Georgia, and 456 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: you had the Alabama officials out of Cherokee County, Alabama. 457 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: They're investigating a murder there. But now you've got the 458 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: Georgia officers are involved in the investigation because that's where 459 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: he lives and that's where evidence might be. Evidence might 460 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: be in his car. Well, here's the problem, and I'm 461 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: going to throw this out because we've got to move on. 462 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: Alabama investigators. You know, they get a search warrant for 463 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: the car, They get his floormats out from his car. 464 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: But you know what, they got the formats because it 465 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: look like I have bloodstains on it. They let him 466 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: keep the car, Joe and said, just don't wash it 467 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: or anything. Oh, don't clean your car, don't do anything, 468 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: and we'll be back later. So when they did come 469 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: to get it, he had spilled coke and everything else. 470 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: Everything was destroyed in there that could have been any 471 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: of any. 472 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, you know then, you know I have 473 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: to go back and it's easy to Monday morning quarterback. Yes, 474 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: I know, but you're thinking. And here's the thing they 475 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: did find. They found blood evidence in there, and this 476 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: gives you an idea as to how far technology is 477 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: advanced blood our since then. It gives you an idea 478 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: how what size of blood these blood droplets were back 479 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: then during that period of time, if you wanted to 480 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: do DNA typing, you you probably would have had to 481 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: have had a sample that would have been about the 482 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: size of a quarter. Okay. Yeah, now this. 483 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: Is pre OJ trial too, so we didn't know about 484 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: a lot of this. 485 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: Yeah you didn't. I mean, we knew about it in 486 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: forensics obviously, but the sample size had to be really robust, 487 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, and you compare it till to day. If 488 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: we find the most miniscule just taking something, it can 489 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: be tested and so. 490 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: Touch DNA might come up in the Coburger trial, just saying. 491 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, gee you think, yeah, yeah, it's going 492 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: to come up, you know, Joe. 493 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: I noticed that when they got the car back finally 494 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: the cops got he had the gas and brake pedals, 495 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: had been thoroughly cleaned and recently conditioned with armorole everything 496 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: in that car gone, so it was no use. But 497 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: the thing is, he was still the main suspect and 498 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 2: the police were fighting every which way they could. It 499 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: was the police that actually helped the insurance company do 500 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: battle with him. The insurance company didn't want to pay out. 501 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: They did not want to pay out. 502 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: I think they had like a negotiated settlement. They did. 503 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: They had agreed. They had agreed at least to put 504 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in a 505 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: trust for those kids. 506 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: I think it was a six hundred thousand dollars policy. 507 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: They negotiated it to four hundred and fifty thousand, but 508 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand of this goes into a 509 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: trust for your kids. You can have access to three 510 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: hundred thousand, sign off on it, and we'll walk away. 511 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: That's what they did. So what did Mark Barton do well. 512 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: The first thing is within a week of the funeral 513 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: of his wife, the mother of his children and her mother, 514 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: LeeAnne Vanderver, a girl that he had met on his 515 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: sales trips, you know, when he was worked as a salesman. 516 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: She starts spending days over there, nights over there at 517 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: his house in Lofia Springs, the home where his wife 518 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: had just been. Within six months, she moves in with him. 519 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 2: So the girl that they suspected he was having an 520 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: affair with police did moves in with Mark Barton within 521 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: six months of the passing of his wife. Now, Leanne 522 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: Vanderver was considerably younger than Mark Barton at the time 523 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three, he was thirty eight. Leanne Vanderver 524 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: was Let's see, she had been twenty one and him 525 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: in dating for two years, so she was nineteen when 526 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: he's in his late thirties and they're dating behind his 527 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: wife's back. She moves in when she's twenty one, thirty eight, 528 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: thirty nine. 529 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not a big fan of the term dating. Yeah, yeah, 530 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it implies something else, I mean, 531 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: and this guy's a real scumback you know, because he's 532 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: running around on his wife with these two babies, and 533 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: he you know, obviously butchers his wife and and his 534 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, and his mother in law. And I'm thinking 535 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: about this young woman, and she's an adult. She's made 536 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: this decision to be with him, and I'm thinking, wouldn't 537 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: you at least have an inkling of what he was in? 538 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: You know, what happened to your first wife? Where is she? 539 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: I know you were married, you know what's the story? Well, 540 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, she's got an instant family, 541 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: doesn't she. 542 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: Yep, because he's retained two kids. 543 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's retained these kids. I mean, he's retained the kids. 544 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: They're domiciled with him and her to whom he gets 545 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: married and they leave Lithia Springs, which is if you're 546 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: not familiar with Atlanta, there's Marietta, which is kind of 547 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: a big area. It's kind of to the northwest of Atlanta. 548 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: Lithia Springs is even further west, and so that means 549 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: it's closer to Alabama. You think about the pathway he 550 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: would have taken getting from eastern Alabama, which is where 551 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: Lake Weiss is, to Lithia Springs. It's very easily done. 552 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: It's not a heavy lift. Even on back roads. You 553 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: could get there really, you know, pretty quickly. But you know, 554 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: they leave there and they wind up going down to Stockbridge, Georgia, 555 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: which is completely well if you think about a clock face, 556 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: and Atlanta's right in the center of it. Marietta is 557 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: about at the eleven o'clock position, Lithia Springs is at 558 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: about the ten o'clock position. Stockbridge is at about the 559 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: five o'clock position. So it's on the other side of 560 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: the clock face from from where they were. So he 561 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: moves and again it's another suburb. It's along the ICE 562 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: seventy five corridor, just on the south side. He lived 563 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: off of the I seventy five corridor on the north 564 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: side before that. Okay, so he can and it's easy. 565 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a commuting distance from Atlanta. You're doing 566 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: business in Atlanta. So he sets up, they sets up. 567 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 2: He uses the money, the insurance money to set himself 568 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: up as a day trader. He takes Joe, we noticed, 569 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: we got it down to he had three hundred thousand 570 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: dollars in that payout. He takes two hundred and ninety 571 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: four thousand dollars of that money and puts it into 572 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: his day trading account. He's going to be a big 573 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: man on Wall Street. And oh my goodness, Joe, it 574 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: didn't take long after he and Leanne van Dervert when 575 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: she becomes Leanne Barton and stepmother to Matthew David Barton. 576 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: Who is he's looking up to his You know, they 577 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: were both the kids were too young when their mother 578 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: passed away. Michelle was two and a half, David was five, 579 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: So they were very young. Matthew David rather very young 580 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: when their mother passed away. Now they've got a stepmother 581 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: and their dad and stepmom is young now in their 582 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: first couple of years together, Joe neighbors said, it was 583 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: pretty routine for her to leave and there to be 584 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: a fight on the neighborhood street. Now, that's why I 585 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: read some comments from neighbors the week of the massacre 586 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 2: talking about what kind of person Barton was. Go back 587 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: and talk to him later on, and they're like, no, man, 588 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: They were constantly fighting. She was always threatening to leave 589 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: or leaving. She spent a lot of time. There was 590 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 2: even discussion that by the time of July twenty seven, 591 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, leam Vanderver was no longer living with 592 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: Barton all the time, and that's where he wakes up. 593 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 2: July twenty seventh, nineteen ninety nine, Mark Barton wakes up 594 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: in his bed. His wife Leanne is there, and according 595 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 2: to his own actions, his own words here, Mark Barton 596 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: begins the killing spree. He kills his wife in her sleep. 597 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: It says he bludgeoned her. He bludgeoned his second wife 598 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 2: in her sleep. He stuffs her body in a closet 599 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 2: in the master bedroom yep, and goes on about his 600 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 2: merried way. Nobody knows about this on July twenty seventh. 601 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 2: That morning, the next day, July twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine, 602 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 2: Mark Barton kills his children from his first marriage, Michelle 603 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: who was eight, and Mark David, who was eleven. He 604 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 2: kills both of them by beating them in the head 605 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: with a hammer and then dunking their bodies in bath 606 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 2: of water to make sure they were dead. 607 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: They were drowned. Yeah, Can I interject something here? It 608 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: was yeah, when this occurred, and remember this occurred, it 609 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: was like a two and a half day period relative 610 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: to relative to the murder of his second wife, these 611 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: kids and then leading up to the Buckhead massacre and 612 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: eventually his own death, you come through an event like 613 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: the Masker and Buckhead where you've got nine people that 614 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: are essentially shot to death in two separate locations. And 615 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: for those that aren't familiar with Buckhead, Buckhead is like 616 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: the upscale area of Atlanta. Okay, you're young, you think 617 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: that you know you're going to be, you know, the 618 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: top of the heap, and that's that's where you would 619 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: want to move. It's where all the clubs are and 620 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So these two businesses are 621 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: up there and they're both day trading businesses. They're kind 622 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: of across the street from one another. It was during 623 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: that period I remember talking to a colleague of mine 624 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: that was like the lead on to these bodies, and 625 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: I remember them saying at the time, Dave, that when 626 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: we got the news, after we had spent all day 627 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: out at the scene processing these scenes, and these scenes 628 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: are surreal, you know again. 629 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 2: Talking about at the Buckhead, at the Okay, at. 630 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: The yeah, at the at the scene, there was like 631 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: this moment in time after they're done with this where 632 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: they're told, oh, by the way, the bodies of his 633 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: current wife and his two children have been found beaten 634 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: to death and stacked in a closet. And it's like 635 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about from an investigative perspective here, Dave, 636 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: When when this occurred, if you if you didn't think 637 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: that the wind had already been taken out of your 638 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: and you're emotionally drained because you are after working scene 639 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: because they're very intense, and keep in mind when the 640 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: shooting took place, this is hours and hours before Mark 641 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: Barton would die himself. You think that you still have 642 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: a mad and they did. You still got a madman 643 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: on the loose. You're going to have to push this 644 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: through all the way through, work the scene, do the autopsies, 645 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: collect all of the evidence that you can, and then 646 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: hopefully they catch this guy in prosecuting. Well, that's the 647 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: mindset they were in, and they're thinking, you know, oh 648 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: my god, we've got there's three more bodies down in 649 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: Henry County, which is where Stockbridge is, and that was 650 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: worked by a separate agency along with the GBI. So 651 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: it's hard to take the measure of it, is what 652 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 653 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 2: We know that so he kills his wife one more 654 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 2: in her sleep. Then he kills the children while they're sleeping, 655 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 2: and then he So the twenty seventh is wife, twenty eighth, 656 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 2: the kids. Then the twenty ninth is when he goes 657 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 2: into town and where he has by the way, he's 658 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: lost his money. Every money's gone. He had blown one 659 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in the last couple of months. He 660 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 2: shows up at the first place that he did a 661 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: lot of trading at was Momentum Securities. At Momentum Securities, 662 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: he had been there twice that week and they were like, 663 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 2: you had a margin call, you got no money. He 664 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: writes a fifty thousand dollars check to open up his account, 665 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: so they get trading again and it bounces. So they're like, no, 666 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 2: you can't do that. Well, when he shows up, they 667 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: know him because he has been trading with them. When 668 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 2: he shows up on the day of the twenty ninth, 669 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: he walks in and he's talking, he's talking to people 670 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 2: like everything's just fine, just normal, and then he pulls 671 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 2: out guns Joe. Now, so far we know that allegedly 672 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: he kills his first wife and her mother with a 673 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 2: hatchet or something in a very confined area and leaves. 674 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 2: He's killed his second wife and his own children with 675 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 2: a hammer and leaves. So you would think he would 676 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: stay along that the same line, that he would use 677 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 2: a hammer or something to start beating people, but he doesn't. 678 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 2: He actually breaks out the guns when he gets at 679 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: momentum securities. 680 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: I think that this is evidence of and this is 681 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: kind of obvious, I know, but it's evidence of an 682 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: escalation relative to how much have it and how much 683 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: hell can I can I reek upon this world that 684 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: I hate so badly? Wow, because I have been robbed, 685 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try. And you know, look, blunt force 686 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: is brutal. We know that sharp force is brutal, but 687 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: it's hardly efficient. Okay, medieval times they fought with with 688 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: with blunt objects, and they fought with swords. We've moved 689 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: now to firearms. He shows up to you're in a camper. 690 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 2: We're in a neighborhood home, right, people are going to 691 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 2: hear a gunshot and remember it, Yeah, not going to 692 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 2: hear a hit to the head with a hammer trying 693 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 2: to cry. 694 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you would, And I think they you know, 695 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: with his his children and his second wife, he ran 696 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: that risk because they were living in an apartment. If 697 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: you've ever I'm sure everybody in our you know sound 698 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: of the voice, have at least been in an apartment. 699 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: You can hear what's going on on the other side 700 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: of the wall. I hated living in apartments anyway, you know, 701 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: but that's the nature of it. Look, when you show 702 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: up with firearms like this and you're going into a business, 703 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: uh establishment here, your purposed at that point. And you know, listen, 704 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to forget people 705 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: in this because we've got nine victims of the shooting 706 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: by itself, but Dave, there were like I think there 707 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: were like double digit people that were injured. And you know, 708 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: in addition to this, in the office parks here, so 709 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: he's he's raining, you know, he's raining down havoc. In 710 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: this environment, people are scurrying everywhere. There's a classic image. 711 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: You can see him leaving on a sea a TV 712 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: camera footage. You know, he's like it's a still shot. 713 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: It's black and white. Yeah, and he's wearing like a 714 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: white T shirt, pair of shorts, pair of tennis shoes 715 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. Very you know, like if you saw him, 716 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: he's not going to look like you know, some some 717 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: kind of ogre coming out of the past, you know, 718 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: or you know, somebody lives in their bridge and each 719 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: Billy goes, you're talking about somebody that just looks like 720 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: John Key Public that walks in here, and it's Satan 721 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: incarnate at this point in time, I think. You know, 722 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: later that same night, you know, they they tracked him down. 723 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, he tried to kidnap. He tried to kidnap 724 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: a girl. So he goes into momentium securities. He kills four, 725 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: wounds others. He then walks across the street to an 726 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: all tech investment group, makes him a small tech with 727 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: the small truck with the receptionists there, nobody knows what 728 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: just happened in momentum, nobody knows his wife and kids 729 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: are dead, nobody knows any of that's going on. 730 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 2: And he breaks out the guns and starts firing. Now, 731 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 2: this all happened very quickly. The murders a momentum, and 732 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 2: then the shooting that takes place at all Tech Investment 733 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 2: Group where five people are murdered there, right, Yeah, because 734 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,919 Speaker 2: he had a total of nine people murdered. I don't 735 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 2: know totals on how many people were wounded. People that 736 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: are still mentally, emotionally scarred for life, for life. So 737 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 2: he leaves there. Now this is when he hops in 738 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 2: his mini van and takes off and they get him. 739 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: Are they chasing him right off the bat Joe. 740 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: They're looking for him, and everybody knows what he's driving. 741 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: And I remember that going out on the air. You 742 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: know they're looking for this minivan. I think it was white, 743 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: and so you're going to put out an APB, the 744 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: all Points bulletin, and you know that he's not going 745 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: to stay in the city. 746 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 2: They knew his name though, didn't they, because people that 747 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 2: survived knew him. 748 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: That's that's Mark Barton, mark O Barton, I think it's 749 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: or and or something like that, And so they, you know, 750 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: they know who this guy is. It's not like he's 751 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 1: somebody that walks into I don't know, into a big 752 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: department store just off the street. He's gone to a 753 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: place that he's familiar with and that is familiar with him, right, 754 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: and he's he begins to rain down this terror. And 755 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: it's at that moment time as he's fleeing, and I'm 756 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: not really clear about the dynamics, but I know that 757 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: I have if memory serves me correctly. From that day 758 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: he had made an attempt to kidnap a girl to 759 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: get her into the vehicle with him, you know, to 760 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: kind of take a hostage, I guess as a shield 761 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: or something like this. 762 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 2: And she funny when you mentioned the apb Okay. Yeah, 763 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 2: there was four hours of searching for him from the 764 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 2: time he left All Tech Investment Group. They knew who 765 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 2: they were looking for, they knew what he was driving. 766 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 2: Four hours of metro Atlanta and surrounding areas terrorized by 767 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 2: a guy who has just shot up two different businesses. 768 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 2: They don't know what's coming next. They're looking for him, 769 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 2: and that's when he ends up in Kennesau. And where's 770 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 2: Kennisau in relation to bucket, Yeah. 771 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: If you think about Kennisau Kinnisaw is you remember how 772 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned Marietta earlier, Well, you have to go pasted on. 773 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: If you think about seventy five that runs northwest. Ok 774 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 1: As you're leaving out of Atlanta, you're going to first 775 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,479 Speaker 1: pass Marietta, and then you're going to go up even 776 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: further and you're going to get to Kennesau, Okay, And 777 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: so Kennisaw is further north and so he's cruising along. 778 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: The police are on him. He pulls over into a 779 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: service station. It's already dark outside by this time. 780 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 2: He tries to take that young girl hostage. 781 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: He did, and they wind up surrounding She bought to 782 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: think again. 783 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 2: She got away and she called police that they didn't 784 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: know he was there, They didn't know they were looking. 785 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 2: They were all looking for Mark Barton in a white 786 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 2: mini van. They didn't know where he was exactly until 787 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 2: that girl. She's a hero because there's no telling he 788 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 2: was trying to take her hostage to maybe be a negotiation, 789 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 2: a shield, I don't know. But she calls the police 790 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 2: and say, I got him. Here he is, and they 791 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 2: were there. 792 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: Right on top of it, and they did surround him 793 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 1: that night, They've got police surrounding the vehicle and he 794 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: makes the decision, you know, to put the weapon to 795 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 1: the side of his head and kill himself. I'm Joseph 796 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is body bags