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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You From House top

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: the fourth and final installment of the Boys of Summer

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Speaker 1: are Little June series that we're doing highlighting dudes who

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Speaker 1: did cool stuff for ladies, and today we're talking about

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Speaker 1: William Moulton Marston, who invented Perfect Doctor to Wonder Woman. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this guy is fascinating. He is a regular old renaissance

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Speaker 1: man in no traditional sense of the word, not at all,

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Speaker 1: and he was quite a smarty pants. So who was

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Speaker 1: William Malton Marrison before he invented Wonder Woman because it

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Speaker 1: was one of the last big things he did before

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Speaker 1: he died. Um, But he was a Harvard trained lawyer

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Speaker 1: and side collegists who invented not only Wonder Woman, but

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Speaker 1: also the first functional lie detector polygraph. Yeah. He created

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Speaker 1: the DISC model for emotions. If you've ever had to

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Speaker 1: go on a terrible, terrible work staff development out into

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Speaker 1: a DISC class, which is kind of like a Briggs

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Speaker 1: Myers test. Yeah, it's like a personality test where you

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Speaker 1: determine if you're like, what are they stand for? A dominant?

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're introverted, submissive, or whatever. Basically like,

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Speaker 1: if you think you're introverted, good job, you probably are.

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Speaker 1: Um So anyway, he also authored self help books and

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Speaker 1: then in the forties created Wonder Woman, Yeah, which is

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Speaker 1: such a strange grab bag of things too, but he

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Speaker 1: based her somewhat on his lovely wife, Elizabeth Holloway, so

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Speaker 1: uh he married her in nineteen fifteen after graduating from Harvard.

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Speaker 1: She had attended Mount Holyoke, where she got a master's

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Speaker 1: a to some what did she say, a place? Oh?

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Speaker 1: She dismissed it as quote lovely law for ladies, which Halloway,

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Speaker 1: come on, Radcliffe is a very good school. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: she still went to Boston University, paid her own way

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Speaker 1: was a groundbreaking lady for her time. Yeah, And just

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Speaker 1: as just as she dismissed a lovely law for lady,

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Speaker 1: she also dismissed the entire women's lib movement when it

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Speaker 1: was in full swing in the seventies. She said, what's

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Speaker 1: all the fuss about? So she she was a tough cookie.

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Speaker 1: She was a tough cookie. Which I'm kind of raising

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Speaker 1: my eyebrow to her saying, what's all the fuss about?

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Speaker 1: But maybe it's just because she was doing all this

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Speaker 1: stuff in nineteen eighteen on her own outside of kind

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Speaker 1: of like a throwback to Margaret Thatcher who had the

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Speaker 1: same attitude exactly, what's all the false? Well, what I

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Speaker 1: made a little bit of a fuss about health, Caroline?

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Speaker 1: How about this for a transition? Was finding out that

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Speaker 1: William Molton Marston in the early twentieth century. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: was married to Elizabeth Holloway, but they also were in

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Speaker 1: a living polyamorous relationship with partner Olive Byrne, who was

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Speaker 1: later Olive Richard. And he he was married to Elizabeth,

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Speaker 1: and he had kids, two kids with Elizabeth and two

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Speaker 1: Marston met Olive in the twenties when she was a

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Speaker 1: Olive served as the inspiration for her look, with her

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Speaker 1: him um thinking about how to determine whether a person

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Speaker 1: he studied the concepts of will in a person's sense

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Speaker 1: And the psychological rather than the physical sense. He said

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Speaker 1: possible way. He had an interesting take on feminism and

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Speaker 1: women and power roles. Yes, and he clearly thought that

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Speaker 1: he said, look, all of you academics out there, I'm

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Speaker 1: Wonder Woman was introduced in an All Star Comics and

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Speaker 1: um and for comic buffs out there, Wonder Woman, ak

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Speaker 1: of Wonder Woman was that she was actually this Amazonian

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Speaker 1: Amazon's message of love, peace and sexually quality. She was

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Speaker 1: But in seven, just six years after Wonder Woman debut,

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Speaker 1: is psychologically unmistakable. The Psychiatric quarterly deplored in an editorial

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Speaker 1: Gloria Steinham and her cohorts put Wonder Woman intentionally, very

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Speaker 1: they actually lobbied the comic book to bring Wonder Woman's

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