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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huntele on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Mobile, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Giant Hubtle Podcast Our Rapid Reaction.

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Speaker 1: The Giants fall to the Washington football team down at

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Speaker 1: FedEx Field in a last second loss on a field

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Speaker 1: goal thirty to nine. Joining me this week is the

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Speaker 1: one and only Super Bowl champion Caral Banks. Mr Banks,

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Speaker 1: I would say, how do you feel about this game

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Speaker 1: after sleeping on it? But I know neither one of

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Speaker 1: us really did much sleeping. So about fourteen hours later,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? Um? Well, I I said it, Uh.

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Speaker 1: During the the final seconds of the game, the Giants

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Speaker 1: earned that defeat. They did everything um possible to prevent

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Speaker 1: themselves from winning. UM. And look, I I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: a optimistic um view on this. And this is not

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Speaker 1: to convince any Giants fans out there that there's a

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Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. I think it's

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Speaker 1: up to the players themselves to change the narrative. So, UM,

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Speaker 1: there were some there were some things that they can

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Speaker 1: build on, but it's the little things that they've got

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Speaker 1: to eliminate. John, I think, UM, when the quarterback has

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Speaker 1: the game that he has and you know, everyone um,

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Speaker 1: coming into this game, the narrative was that the quarterback

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Speaker 1: was so good blah blah blah, he got that whole thing. Um,

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Speaker 1: he played as good a football game as you could

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Speaker 1: expect him to play. He passed the ball well, I

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Speaker 1: think what had a pretty high percentage completion and you

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Speaker 1: take what three drops that were catchable passes. I think

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Speaker 1: it was two by Gala Day and then a one

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Speaker 1: big one to Darius Slayton. Um, he's probably in the

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Speaker 1: high eighty percentile. And completions, what was his completion for

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Speaker 1: the guy he was that he was at sixty two.

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Speaker 1: I think if you account for the drops, I think

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Speaker 1: that had him over seventy, which is still very good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so made great decisions with the football. Um. You know

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Speaker 1: we talked about the way right, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: you talk about the Giants not having a running game, Well,

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Speaker 1: his yardage counts. You know, so if you put his

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Speaker 1: yards with say Kwan Barkley's yards, these are not These

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Speaker 1: are not like ancillary um yards by the quarterback. These

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Speaker 1: are designed run plays. They weren't scrambles where he took

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Speaker 1: you know, he took all they had design runs for him,

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Speaker 1: so he counts in the run game. It's no different

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Speaker 1: than when you do a tally on the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: when um Lamar Jackson's running the ball with design runs.

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Speaker 1: So the run game. Yes, if you want to see

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Speaker 1: pure running from the running back, then you gotta get

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. But when you look at their impact,

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Speaker 1: the running games impact on uh this game and their production,

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Speaker 1: it was good. Um that said we talked you know

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Speaker 1: about you know, well, let's just say the narrative about

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Speaker 1: the play calling by Jason Garrett. They made some adjustments

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Speaker 1: in this game. They were more trapped oriented. They had

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Speaker 1: a lot of pullers in there. And I will tell

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Speaker 1: you this John just looking at the film and I

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Speaker 1: haven't done a deep dive into it, but six point

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Speaker 1: Barkley has to be better in some of those situations,

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Speaker 1: like they had some of the stuff blocked. He gets

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Speaker 1: in and he trips or he stumbles and falls down.

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Speaker 1: I think this is part of his comeback progression. You know,

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Speaker 1: you saw sometimes in the game where his eyes and

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Speaker 1: his feet were in sync. There were other times where

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Speaker 1: the feet were we're not sync with the eyes. He

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Speaker 1: was trying to do something and just didn't settle himself

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Speaker 1: to complete the process. And I saw that a few

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Speaker 1: times on like some of the counter plays and some

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Speaker 1: of the traps where he's got two blockers, he's got

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Speaker 1: um hat on hat by his lineman and he's trying

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Speaker 1: He just kind of stumbles down. That's gonna come with

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Speaker 1: time with sikrime, but that time has to come relatively fast,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure the more he sees it, the better

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Speaker 1: he'll be at it. But the the the instincts you

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Speaker 1: can see are there, but they're not syncd up quite yet.

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Speaker 1: Because there were a few times I saw him running

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Speaker 1: in there he just stumbled. I'm like, boy, if he

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Speaker 1: right and there was no one there and he outran guys.

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Speaker 1: But there are other times where the blocking was there,

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Speaker 1: and he's got to sync it up. He's got to

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna come. But like when you want

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Speaker 1: to look at, you know, the positive of a very

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Speaker 1: negative outcome, those are some things that they can build on.

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Speaker 1: But until they do it, there's no sense in selling

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Speaker 1: hope to a fan base. Like I can tell you

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Speaker 1: I am hopeful, but I can't tell a fan that

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Speaker 1: they should feel like I feel, um, because they don't

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Speaker 1: see it the same way and they just their result oriented.

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Speaker 1: And so the Giants have got a quiet this narrative,

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Speaker 1: and the only way they can do that is to execute,

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Speaker 1: and right well, execution will result in wins because they

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Speaker 1: did enough good things to win the football game, but

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Speaker 1: they did more bad things to lose it. And they

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Speaker 1: were just a little little things, you know, And so um,

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Speaker 1: the bigger concern for me is not the offense. Like

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Speaker 1: the offensive line again did an adequate job past protective. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they gave up some sacks, but look who you're going again,

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Speaker 1: so you're gonna that's gonna happen. But they were able

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Speaker 1: game in their communication seemed pretty good. Now they were out,

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Speaker 1: they were outpowered at times, but it wasn't for lack

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Speaker 1: just you know, sometimes the other the better player won.

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Speaker 1: But they had their moments where a lot of moments

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Speaker 1: I should say, where Daniel Jones had a clean pocket

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Speaker 1: the football. So if you combine that UM with you know,

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Speaker 1: just some some opportunities that I felt se Quin Barkley

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Speaker 1: just settled himself, quiet himself and running rhythm. I think

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Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be fine. My your concern is the defense.

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Speaker 1: The the defense had some some real big flaws, like

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Speaker 1: the the goal line place stands out the most. UM.

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Speaker 1: They didn't they were not balanced, and it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: I don't know where they went wrong with that, but

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Speaker 1: They checked out of that right away, and as we

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Speaker 1: bubble here, and certainly they did, UM, So that was

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Speaker 1: disappointing to see that. UM their past coverage, though it

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Speaker 1: like in zone defenses. Tiny Key was throwing some balls

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Speaker 1: have gotten there, but they weren't. They weren't set when

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Speaker 1: So that was something that they have to get better. Alright,

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Speaker 1: couple of specific things about the game call, and I

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Speaker 1: those trends. Um, what did you think about after Bradbury

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Speaker 1: They ran it twice with Barkley, and you talked about,

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Speaker 1: popular criticism, and I think there are two sides of

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Speaker 1: the place selection on that set of downs. Well, again, um,

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Speaker 1: not you know, it's not Matt and football, right. But um,

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Speaker 1: He's settling himself. Uh, in terms of his patients with

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Speaker 1: Sometimes these plays take patience. When you have guys that

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Speaker 1: On all of those those two running plays, when you

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Speaker 1: not not really absorbing any contact until he falls down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no question about a call. And I think the other thing.

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Speaker 1: First thing about this game. You know we had the

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Speaker 1: physical error. And I think you know, Darius Lean had

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Speaker 1: and this I think has been something that's very uncharacteristic

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Speaker 1: seventeen games before this particular game. Just to give you

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Speaker 1: some example, second drive for the Giants, a full start

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Speaker 1: is a holding penalty on the long Daniel Jones run,

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Speaker 1: so a touchdown gets called back um In the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: consecutive fall start penalties turns a third and five into

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence off sides. To me, this is not a

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Speaker 1: trend that I think we've seen with this team. They

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Speaker 1: have not beaten themselves in that way really under Joe Judge.

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Speaker 1: So to me, I think that's what made this very

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Speaker 1: uncharacteristic as a team that really was near the bottom

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Speaker 1: and and John, I heard something this morning on one

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Speaker 1: and that he couldn't have been more profound in terms

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