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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Oh Hello, Hello, Hello, Hi, It's Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: You doin't got no job you doing? I should to do? Hi.

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Speaker 1: It's Morning Combat everyone. It is a mid week edition.

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Speaker 1: I am nearly one half of your hosting duo. My

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Speaker 1: name is Luke Thomas. I joined you from the Capitol

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Speaker 1: Elstatus Needles right here in Washington, DC, joined by the

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Speaker 1: King of Connecticut himself. Got a lot of names. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what shirt he's wearing, but I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: find out. It's Brian Campbell. What's up, Brian Campbell?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Luke Thomas. Great to be back at it on

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Speaker 3: this hump day with you. You know, just a few

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Speaker 3: hours from the two of us getting on this bird

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Speaker 3: to head over to Sin City.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: No, not for the NCAA tournament, Not for Taylor Swift

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Speaker 3: at Allegiant, Right, not for John Mellencampbell, though I'd be interested, Luke,

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Speaker 3: you know we're talking about show Tom Boxing pay per view.

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Speaker 3: But you asked how I'm doing fired up. I dug

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Speaker 3: deep into the drawer, Luke, to pull out the old

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Speaker 3: school wrestling T shirt. I don't know if you remember

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Speaker 3: Daniel Bryan's Yes movement, Luke.

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Speaker 2: You remember that bullshit? Right?

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Speaker 1: It was good good. I don't know who that is.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, yes, Well then you know sammy' zain and

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Speaker 3: Kevin Owens joined this Canadian conglomerate five years ago and

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Speaker 3: created the YEP movement. I mean, look, Luke, you gotta

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Speaker 3: be you know, you gotta be redacted to be all

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Speaker 3: kinds into that.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay, Luke. You know what's.

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Speaker 3: Although I do know, Luke, as soon as you hit

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Speaker 3: the ground in Vegas, you'll be looking for two things, right,

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Speaker 3: ADDIE's and batties baby, Right, that's how we do it here. Well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know I had the WrestleMania Cup today.

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Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. Let me see, let me see, let

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Speaker 1: me see the cup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 3: I got it in New Orleans, Luke, there's a there's

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Speaker 3: Ronda Rouse c as you would call her on there

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Speaker 1: It one of those cups that like changes pictures or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 3: I got it at Monday night raw in New Orleans

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Speaker 3: the night after WrestleMania.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it kind of looks like the old ones.

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Speaker 3: You get seven to eleven when you get slurpy, like

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Speaker 3: during the ninety two Dream Team era, Luke, and you

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Speaker 3: can get like the free poster with it. Those were

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Speaker 3: the days, right, all that all that bonus shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? How many hand grenades did you have when you

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Speaker 1: were in New Orleans?

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Speaker 2: What are those? Is that a Is that a food

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Speaker 2: local to there? I had a couple of pol boys.

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Speaker 1: No, hand grenade is when they serve you this drink.

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Speaker 1: It's in a long it's got a long it's it

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Speaker 1: looks like a bong, but at the bottom it's shaped

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Speaker 1: like a hand grenade. And they sell them in like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those were all over Vegas too, Luke, those hand grenades.

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Speaker 1: Ah, I didn't know. Well, you know, the Hurricane is

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Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Did you get any hurricanes

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Speaker 1: I got bit by a police horse on Bourbon Street, So.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, did you feed it? Did you feed it? Sugar?

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Speaker 2: That what happened? Luca?

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Speaker 1: No. I went up. I was drunk as shit and

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Speaker 3: You think you can knock out a horse with one punch, Luke,

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Speaker 1: Think there's a no no no. Conan and the barbarian

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to get to today. So you

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Speaker 1: just saw the ad for it. Let's remind everyone Showtime

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Speaker 1: pay per View is this weekend Showtime dot Com slash PPV.

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Speaker 1: Brian and I are going to be there. David Benavidez

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Speaker 1: versus Caleb Plant super Middleweight one sixty eight cannot wait

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Speaker 1: for this one check us out for let's see the

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Speaker 1: presser tomorrow, weigh ins on Friday, We're doing the prelims

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Speaker 3: Your're false, You's true, damn right. I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: call those prelims with you again. We got a two

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Speaker 3: very interesting fights featuring young prospects. Look, we're calling that

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Speaker 3: from inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena, which.

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Speaker 3: I love me some T mobile, always love Mandalay Bay,

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Speaker 3: but if it's big time boxing in Vegas, it's still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the two biggest fights I've seen. Well,

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Speaker 1: and those were king huge fights. Yeah. So anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to be there for that. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. But if you want Showtime

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Speaker 1: Showtime dot com a get a thirty day free trial.

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Speaker 1: If you like, you can keep it if not. You

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Speaker 3: you go to Morningcombat Dot Store, so can you. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: did you see Veronica Hardy, wife of the great Dan Hardy,

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Speaker 3: seen rafeon Stots rocking it bomber jacket. Sison is still

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Speaker 2: Check out what we got going on there.

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna like the way you know looks

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Speaker 3: and so Dad. So does OURJ Ballbreaker too, Luke. You

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Speaker 1: It's great old RJ Ballbreaker. So we have a lot

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Speaker 3: Hey, I think TikTok's gonna get shut down, Luke because

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Speaker 3: of American Chinese government dealings.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Both parties actually seem like they have

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Speaker 1: some sympathy for it, which is like rare in Washington.

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Speaker 1: And then also, I don't really know they said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I think to quell the thirst of regulators. They have

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Speaker 1: hundred million at the beginning of the pandemic. So TikTok

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Speaker 3: I always try to get off of what's hot and

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Speaker 3: get on what is new, and I'm thinking Rumble might

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Speaker 1: Right, Are you gonna air some slap fighting over there?

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 3: I mean what if MK ends up on Rumble one day,

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Speaker 3: I'll eat my words, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which you know wouldn't be the first time we've

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Speaker 3: And it's not as if a loss here for Cory

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Speaker 3: Sanahagen against a great opponent who's rising and Cheeto Vera

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Speaker 3: he hasn't been able to get over that cliff. Now

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Speaker 3: which he showed out was just not able to get there. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's give Corey Sanagan a lot of credit. It comes

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Speaker 2: But this does have that.

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Speaker 3: That that narrative, that feeling of of are you coming

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Speaker 3: would you say, Luke in an elite sense, and when

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Speaker 3: where if you finished in last place, you get what

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Speaker 3: do you call that dereglegated?

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you call that word?

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Speaker 1: Luke, Well, you get relegated, you.

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Speaker 3: Get I mean he could get relegated from the elite

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Speaker 3: core of bannonm weights right here, which isn't a death sentence,

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Speaker 3: but it certainly shows you the stakes involved, because if

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Speaker 2: Do you see much need to alter his game? I mean,

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Speaker 3: He's a great fighter, great he's about that life. You know,

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Speaker 2: But something has to change, right, what do you think

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Speaker 1: Should be a couple of things. I mean, here's why

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Speaker 3: You've got three verses five here of Veri Sanhagen Yan

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Speaker 1: To that one, right and yay to those people.

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Speaker 3: But I will tell you this is the winner of

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Speaker 1: Shit, that's a great question, man.

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Speaker 3: I mean it could be anything different if al Jo loses,

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Speaker 3: even if Suhudo wins, you'd still want to give him

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Speaker 3: O'Malley above Morob. Right, So I think either way, we

433
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Speaker 3: nailed it there, Luke, So our work here is done.

434
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Speaker 1: I will say this, if al Jo loses by decision,

435
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Speaker 1: and it's even remotely close, I think he's I don't

436
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,080
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get it, but he's going to ask

437
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Speaker 1: for a immediate rematch. I have to say, yeah, they

438
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,720
Speaker 1: probably won't give it to them. But at the same time,

439
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Speaker 1: I will say this, I am very tired of immediate

440
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 1: rematches for title winners, like this idea that you got

441
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,680
Speaker 1: to beat them twice? Like, how is how is it

442
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,400
Speaker 1: that the only reason boxing does that is because they

443
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 1: have rematch clauses, like fucking clauses in the contract that

444
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 1: they pull in MMA, we don't have any rematch clauses,

445
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 1: and yet we still have rematches a lot of time.

446
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Speaker 1: I get I get it under certain circumstances, I really do, right,

447
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 1: but like, and I'm just so glad we didn't do

448
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 1: it with Vulcan Islam. It's too much. It's too much.

449
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Speaker 3: Okay, it can be a situational thing where it makes

450
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Speaker 3: a lot of sense long time reigning champion, right, which

451
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 3: is rare. So like when Valentina suddenly loses, you're like, well, well,

452
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,400
Speaker 3: maybe she should get an immediate crack. Although, to be fair,

453
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,919
Speaker 3: because she got submitted, it isn't necessarily exactly, it isn't

454
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Speaker 3: necessary in that regard. The other way is if a

455
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Speaker 3: fight's great or if a fight is disputed, which happens

456
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Speaker 3: a lot too. But Luke, the wild card in this

457
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 3: when we're talking about the Dana White privilege and you know,

458
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Speaker 3: all the Hull labo with Colby and all that, which

459
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure Colby will show up in this show later, Luke,

460
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Speaker 3: if he doesn't show up with John Annex doorstep, and

461
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Speaker 3: if he does, he'll be seeing me right there, Luke,

462
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Speaker 3: waiting for him. I'll tell you this, though, I hope

463
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Speaker 3: somebody gets my back the way I just offered to

464
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Speaker 3: get John Annex back, Luke. When I get your back

465
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Speaker 3: in that regard, I hope I would I really do

466
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Speaker 3: all right, show me your enemies, Luke. I'll I'll double

467
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Speaker 3: leg them, I'll take him out.

468
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Speaker 1: My point is this, The problem is I don't have

469
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Speaker 1: very many worthy adversaries. All my adversaries are just fucking buffood.

470
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Speaker 3: I mean, you did make Chail take the knee, even

471
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Speaker 3: though we love the guy right.

472
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Speaker 1: Well, we all worked it out. Jail and I are good.

473
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Speaker 1: But Chail it was a worthy adversary.

474
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Speaker 2: But the rest of them, that's true, that's true.

475
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Speaker 3: My point is this, Luke. Sometimes it does come out

476
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 3: to what. Sometimes it comes down to marketing. Right, But

477
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 3: sometimes it comes down to the Dane of white privilege.

478
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Speaker 3: When I say al Jo's not going to get an

479
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 3: immediate rematch no matter what, unless it was the most

480
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: egregious scorecard you've ever seen, is because I don't think

481
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Speaker 3: he's a Dana white guy that plays into it to

482
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Speaker 3: some degree.

483
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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, absolutely, it certainly does. There's just look at Colby.

484
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Speaker 1: We talked about it on Monday. You know, Colby's meritocratic

485
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: argument for the title shot is non existent. But that

486
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: doesn't really seem to matter if you're a guy that

487
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: the company views favorably for whatever reason that they might. So, yes,

488
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: that can play a role here in the bantamway division

489
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Speaker 1: as well.

490
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Speaker 3: I mean dead wrong myself quickly in that Colby thing.

491
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Speaker 3: The thing, the only thing I said wrong that I

492
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: won't back up in a court of law is when

493
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Speaker 3: I inferred that Kolbe will fight anybody at any time,

494
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Speaker 3: and I got killed for that.

495
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Speaker 2: You're right, he won't.

496
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Speaker 3: He will strategically wait for the right opportunity.

497
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Speaker 1: About to say what he just did.

498
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Speaker 3: The opposite what I meant, and I said it wrong,

499
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Speaker 3: was his willingness to go over there on a day's

500
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Speaker 3: notice or whatever and cut weight. He's willing to do

501
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Speaker 3: the things that the company wants and needs of him

502
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Speaker 3: to make himself a valuable company man.

503
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Speaker 2: That's what I should have said. I said it wrong.

504
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Speaker 1: You guys were right moving on here. Yeah, I mean

505
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Speaker 1: there is a point to be said for that. Like

506
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Speaker 1: it's always the famous story where Joe Silva when he

507
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: was matchmaker. I forget which fight it was, but they

508
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: wanted de Marquez Johnson to fill in to make wait

509
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Speaker 1: for them, and he agreed. And this is a short

510
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: notice obviously, and he went in and he missed weight

511
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: and then they cut him from the organization. He was like,

512
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: what the fuck? I was trying to you guys a

513
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: favor on short notice. And the way it was eventually

514
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: explained to him is like, guy, if we ask you

515
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Speaker 1: to fill in to make weight, like that's what we

516
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: need you to do. You showing up and not making

517
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: weight doesn't do us any favors. That's not actually what

518
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Speaker 1: we want. Now you can agree with that rationale or not,

519
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: but that's how they view the world. So if you're

520
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: Colby and you show up out of nowhere and you

521
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: make championship weight and you're jibber jabbering the whole time.

522
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Speaker 1: They're gonna look on that favorably. So to your point, yes,

523
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Speaker 1: I think there was something to be said for that.

524
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Speaker 1: He just doesn't show to fight everyone. That's all.

525
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Speaker 3: You see any proof. I saw some people dming me this.

526
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: They said they saw it in an Instagram conversation with

527
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: famous people, and I didn't get the proof. They're claiming

528
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: that potentially here Ballal was offered the same opportunity first

529
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Speaker 3: to do the role that Colby played, and he said

530
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Speaker 3: only if I get to fight Colby on that card

531
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Speaker 3: and turned down the offer.

532
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Speaker 2: I don't have BA.

533
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Speaker 3: I don't have proof of that, but a lot of

534
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: people have been dming me, say, b see, that could

535
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Speaker 3: be the reason.

536
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Speaker 1: I'd have to hear. I'd have to know what the yeah, right, yeah,

537
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: If that's the truth, that changes the situation a little bit.

538
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: But we'll have to see. Okay, And that in mind, BC.

539
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: That in mind, let me put one last question to

540
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Speaker 1: you about this main event. If Sanagan loses, we have

541
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: indicated it's not the end of the world. In that

542
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: Corey Sanhagen just turned thirty I think how long ago. Yeah,

543
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: he turned thirty yesterday. Holy shit two days ago. Excuse me,

544
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: he turned thirty two days ago. But what does it

545
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: mean if you lose this here, like this is losing

546
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: in your twenties, right, we get it. You've fight good

547
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: guys and you're not totally ready. It's gonna show up, right,

548
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: But by the time you begin to hit thirty, now's

549
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: the time where you really got to be making a march.

550
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: How devastating would a loss your beer went obviously gonna

551
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: be tremendous, But how devasting would have lost people?

552
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Speaker 3: Well, it'd be it would relegate him from the elite

553
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: core of your top five or six or seven, depending

554
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: on the moment, of guys who are essentially one win

555
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 3: away from a title shot or already there.

556
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Speaker 2: And if we need a challenge or we can call

557
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: him up, not the end of the world.

558
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: You still go back and you'd be fighting top fifteen

559
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 3: guys trying to put together a win streak. I think

560
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: that in his favor is there's already been an establishment

561
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: here that he is an elite fighter that you.

562
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: Know, I mean, you know he might have beat TJ.

563
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: And even though he.

564
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Speaker 3: Lost, I thought fair and square to Yan it was

565
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: a fun ass competitive fight in a lot of ways

566
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 3: that's been proven already. You just have to work a

567
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: little bit harder to get it back and to get

568
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: back in that position. But I think his name is strong.

569
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: People know that he makes fun fights. You know that

570
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: he that he gives us all here, But it would

571
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 3: remove him from the idea that you're one win or

572
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: one phone call away from being right back in there,

573
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 3: and that that can matter when you're in a very

574
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 3: deep division that has even still active old guys right

575
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: who can still make big, fun fights against anybody. You've

576
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: got the former champion Figuedo moving up. You know, it's

577
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: always going to be busy. When a division is hot,

578
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: people are going to go out of their way to

579
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: jump into it. And look at Sahudo's back right now

580
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: when things are heating up. So it's harder when it's

581
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 3: this crowded and busy, but it's not a death sentence, Luke,

582
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: and I think that you know, he's such a student

583
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: of the game that I almost to expect multiple reinventions

584
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: from him as a fighter at Luke, I almost you

585
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean, he seems. I mean, I've I've

586
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: I've listened to the multiple interviews you did with him,

587
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: on this channel. It's a really smart dude and understands

588
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 3: it and it is constantly working there. But at the

589
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: same time, you gotta you gotta clear these hurdles when

590
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 3: they come to you, because you know you can only

591
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 3: get that call so many times. At this point, dude,

592
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: this would be a big win. I mean, he's underdog

593
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: for a reason, but he's facing a guy who's not

594
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: only red hot here but nasty and gnarly. You're not

595
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: gonna outpoint him, you know what I mean. You got

596
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: to bring something big here. So I'm asking a lot

597
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: of Corey Sanagen in this fight, and I think he

598
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: can deliver. But if he doesn't, Luke, we're headed toward

599
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Speaker 3: I hate saying this out loud because it's mean and

600
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: it does and it's not fair. But are we heading

601
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: toward Dan Hooker territory? We're headed toward Michael Johnson territory.

602
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

603
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: You know, you know, in the right setting, could be

604
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 3: a title winner, but they just can't put it together there.

605
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: I know. But he lost to TJ title holder or

606
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: his former title holder. He lost to Al Joe title holder,

607
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: he lost to Yon title holder. Wasn't like he was

608
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: losing the fucking chumps out there, man.

609
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: Same thing.

610
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 3: But people want to say Gastlum is done and he

611
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: sucks at all this. He always loses to the best.

612
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: Dude, No, he's lost the other guys sub best. That's

613
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: the problem. That's the problem. Like he got worked over

614
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: by Jack Hermanson, you know what I mean, Like that's.

615
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't defend that one. And also old Widman

616
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: beat him to pre pre leg injury.

617
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Speaker 2: That was the thing.

618
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: Is the thing is that Gastlon was really hot for

619
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: a time. And then here's the thing. The fight he

620
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: gave Izzy, even though he lost, and you know, I've

621
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: talked about this a million times, the fight he gave

622
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: is he was, he lost, but the effort he had

623
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: and the ability he showed in that fight was fucking great.

624
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: So was so was the Whittaker fight. While not in

625
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: all action fight, he pushed Robert Whittaker in that fight

626
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: like it was a very highly technical battle. Yeah, it

627
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: wasn't able to get over. But I guess that's the point.

628
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: Gaslam is still in this conversation. Guys that either for

629
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: short seasons or they show that potential. You're like, man,

630
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: if they could put it together. They could be that guy.

631
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: Cory Standerhingen has everything at his disposal. It will be

632
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: that guy.

633
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: But look, there's only so many seats at the table

634
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: when you're talking about the upper core of elite title

635
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: challengers in any given division, and somebody's got to be

636
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: on the outside looking in. Somebody's got to be the

637
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: one that loses to those guys.

638
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: I want to say two more things quickly about saying thing,

639
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: and then we'll move on one one of the smarter

640
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: fighters I've ever interviewed. I would also say his coach,

641
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: his striking coach, Christian Allen, one of the more bright

642
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: striking coaches and innovative thinkers and the striking department in MMA.

643
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: So he's got a lot of brain power, he's got

644
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: a lot of willpower, and he's got a great coaching Obviously,

645
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Hall has been that's what I understand, a great

646
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: force for good in his development of his game. So

647
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a lot of the things he needs.

648
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: I do wonder about the physical durability relative to either guy,

649
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: Like even if Corey is landing more the sturdiness of

650
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: Cheeto plus the I don't know how heavy handed he

651
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: is but his kicks are just like, yeah, he're punishing,

652
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: punishing kicks, so that's something to watch as well. The

653
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: last thing I'll say, BC is if you think of

654
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: Spanish speaking Latin America, or I should say Spanish speaking

655
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: South America, so you take out Brazil obviously, Mexico's part

656
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: of North America, Cheito might be your top representative, top candidate,

657
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: top fighter in the UFC in that sense, right, so

658
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, all the way from Venezuela, all the way

659
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: over Peru and then all the way down that sort

660
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: of area that's been underdeveloped, Cheeto's a leading force in

661
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: that sense. And if he meets Corey Sanhagen and then

662
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he has to have a rob next.

663
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's worth paying attention to about

664
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: where guys emerge from when they reach close to or

665
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: at championship status. And I think it'd be a great

666
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: thing for Ecuador or even again Spanish speaking South America

667
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: to have someone who's like, dude, right fucking there, right

668
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: up there. That's good for the game. It already has been.

669
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: Apparently he's a big hero in Ecuador. We'd love to

670
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: see more. If that's it, that's his fate.

671
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I agree, And he's got a gnarly

672
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: side head tattoo these days with that what I mean.

673
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Dude, or if he did that, if you did that

674
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: without like Visa Kine or tkt X, which are like

675
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: numbing creams. Holy shit, that's next level, all right. PC.

676
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: Also on this card. Also on this card, at a

677
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: minus two forty five favorite, Holly Holm, who, by the way,

678
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: forty one years old, reportedly according to the Albuquerque I

679
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: Think Review News Journal, whoever the local paper is there,

680
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: signed a new six fight deal, which means if she

681
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: fights a couple times a year, she's going to be

682
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: in there until she's what forty four forty five whatever

683
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: the math is. She's taken on. Previously known as Yana Kunitskaya,

684
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: now Yana Santos. She sits at plus two zero five BC.

685
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: We talk about age in all the divisions and how

686
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: relevant they are here at one thirty five. How relevant

687
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: is age? But also do you agree that Holly should

688
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: be the favorite. She's fought and beat better guys or

689
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: better ladies, excuse me, better competition. Anyway, she was a

690
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: previous title holder, and despite her age, she still has

691
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: pretty damn physical for the weight class.

692
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, all those things you said are true. Should she

693
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: be favored here by that much?

694
00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: Yes?

695
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: Comparing skills, she's a better fighter than Yana Santos at

696
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: this point, and yank Koditskaya. Santos has had some good

697
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: wins and lost to many people. We know, coming off

698
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: you know, giving birth, congratulations to Maheta and the family there.

699
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: But we're gonna be asking a lot of her. It

700
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: shouldn't be under normal circumstances when we're talking about a

701
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: forty one year old fighter. But let's be really honest here.

702
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: Although Holly Holm has lived off that one great moment

703
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: right here, right, holy crap, one of the greatest moments

704
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: in UFC history. And I'm not saying she never accomplished

705
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 3: anything again, she has, but but she's lived off that

706
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: moment for so long that sometimes that becomes how we

707
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: look at her the first thing we think of. I

708
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: think she's changing her own negative, her own legacy and

709
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: narrative here with her longevity, because, Luke, there's a reason

710
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: why she's been like, no worse than third ranked in

711
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: you know, one and sometimes two divisions for like five

712
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: six years.

713
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: Now.

714
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: Well, one of those reasons.

715
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: Is because both of those divisions in question are just

716
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: painfully shallow, and I'm not even sure there's still is

717
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: a one hundred and forty five pound division at the moment,

718
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: to be perfectly frank with you, but there's been no

719
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: need for a reinvention because she hasn't slipped. Has she

720
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: slipped from the exact level she was in beating Ronda

721
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: Rousi in twenty fifteen and having that all time classic

722
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: with Misha Tate six months later, Yeah, obviously to some degree,

723
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: but she's always working on getting better. She's done great

724
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: work in all to add to her ground game and

725
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: her wrestling through the years. Yes, she's had did have

726
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: a recent defeat there, Luca, was that against Kaitlyn Vieia

727
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: by split decision that threatened the idea that she's coming

728
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: a little bit more down to earth. But even if

729
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: that's some proof of her, you know, age catching up

730
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: and slipping, just a little dude, She's not going anywhere.

731
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: She's going to stay right here. And it's remarkable at

732
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: forty one. You know, every year when we do these

733
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: like advanced predictions where you take a big shot, we

734
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: do it on this show. I show up on Brons

735
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: stutters Tsien show and do it. And I feel like

736
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: every year I'm saying, Holly Holm is not done fighting

737
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: for a world title, and Luke, she's not you. She

738
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: wins this fight against a good name and wins one more.

739
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean, what else is what else is Amanda Nunist

740
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: doing at one thirty five right now? It's not Chefchenko,

741
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: right so what else is going on there? Everyone we

742
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: thought might be coming on as sort of the next

743
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: big challenger, you know, kind of falls apart or doesn't

744
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: get there or they're just not there. So Holly Holm

745
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: is not that many wins away from eventually getting another

746
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: Amanda Nunist title shot fight. And it's a it's a

747
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: testament to how hard she's worked. And I mean, look,

748
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: she's been fighting for a very long time when you

749
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: consider her initial boxing career, of which she's in the

750
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: International Boxing Hall of Fame and she's she's.

751
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: An active MMA fighter who's in the Boxing Hall of

752
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: Fame already.

753
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: And like fully justified not in there because there's nobody else,

754
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: and she has a name, like fully justified for being

755
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: in there when you look at what she's accomplished and

756
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: you know she's come back from like devastating knockout losses

757
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: in both sports, to be fair. But the point is, look,

758
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: when you're a student of the game, when you live

759
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: your life in fighting shape, which you know she appears

760
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: to be, and you know also you got to have

761
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: that something special about you. She's incredibly durable and always

762
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: has been, you know, and it fills in with her hunger.

763
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: You don't see her setting up plans for a spinoff career.

764
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: You don't see her doing anything but getting back in

765
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: the gym, staying in the rankings and trying to get better.

766
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: And that's you know, I mean, you don't see that,

767
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: especially on the women's game, which is still so young.

768
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: You don't see this a lot for somebody to stay somebody. Look,

769
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: we see fighters that have a big run early in

770
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: their prime, even like a Matt Brown at one point

771
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: got you know, one fight away it seemed from a

772
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: title shot, but then just never stop getting better and

773
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: he's lingered as a very respectable tough out in the division.

774
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: We see that a few times from guys. Okay, they

775
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: had their moment ten years ago, but oh my god,

776
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: they're still here and they're decent. Holly's still elite and

777
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: that's the truth. I'm not going to overlook the lack

778
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: of depth here that matters in this, but a lot

779
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: of these opponents she's coming in there against, she's just

780
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: got the experience of the technique, the hours put in

781
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: as an advantage in the tough and can.

782
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: She win this, should she win this? Yes?

783
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: And yes to this heading into Saturday, Luke and I

784
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: think sometimes we don't put enough respect on the totality

785
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: of not just her extended combat resume and which's accomplished

786
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: across both sports, but the fact that she's still here

787
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: at a very high level and is not going anywhere

788
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: by the looks of that six fight deal.

789
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. It's a really interesting one. Also,

790
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: you kind of indicated it. It's a funny little stat

791
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: they both have fought Kaitlyn Vieira and Ira and a

792
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: al Donna. In the particular case of Yanna Santos, she

793
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: lost to al Donna and then beat Vieira. It's the

794
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: reverse for Holly Holms, she lost to Vienna but beat

795
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: al Donna. Of course, also beat Raquel Pennington relatively recently

796
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: as well. It's a fun contest PC Yana kunisk or

797
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: excuse me, Yana Santos a little bit more active. She

798
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: lands four point two eight strikes permanent relative to Holly

799
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: Holmes two point two four. We knew Holly was a

800
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: little bit judicious with the offense. She's not a super

801
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: high vol Was she super high volume in back?

802
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't have a ton of power.

803
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: She worked behind the jab, you know, she Yeah, yeah,

804
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: she was.

805
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: She was a very active punch, I'll say that.

806
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, a pure boxer though, you know, always looking to

807
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: work behind the job.

808
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's a little bit better about

809
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: defense than Jana Santos, and I think again has fought

810
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: better competition. The age factor is going to be the

811
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: interesting one. But to your point of forty one, if

812
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: she can get it done, man, I agree with you.

813
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: Like Juliana Pana wanted the rematch against Amanda, or she said,

814
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: the trilogy against Amanda, I don't know if that's gonna happen.

815
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: We'll have to see what Holly Holm might have to

816
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: fight for. But to your point, with the star power

817
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: and whatever Amanda is up to, it's a great spot,

818
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: all right. Also in this card BC, there's a few

819
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: other things. Andrea kgb Lee is back as a underdog

820
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: plus two thirty against Macy Barber minus two seventy five.

821
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Barber has been what do you want to say, BC,

822
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: something of a something of a hot streak. Would you

823
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: agree with that characterization? Let me for the folks who

824
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: may not be aware. In her last five fights she

825
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: did lose the Motiferian, then Grosso but since and beat

826
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Miranda Maverick, beat Montana de la Rosa, and then beat

827
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Jessica if for whatever that is worth. By contrast, Andrea

828
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: Lee comes in here with a lost to I'm gonna

829
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: fuck it all up a jujo araujo. Every want to

830
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: say it to the Calvijo that she has a win

831
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: over cheft Chenko, but that's the Antonina Chefchenko and then

832
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: a lost in Montiferi and Murphy. So you would imagine

833
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: you would have Yeah, it's big, it's a big one.

834
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: You would imagine Macy Barber. You gotta like her chances here.

835
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: She's active, she has a positive striking differential, she can

836
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: go for the takedown, she can mix it up. She's younger, right,

837
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: So Lee better striker, Barber more well rounded, I think

838
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: is probably a better way to look at it.

839
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is subtly a big fight for

840
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: Macy Barber and okay, look, well I'll hudge everything I

841
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: say by saying she's still just twenty four. So you know,

842
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: any any opinion you've got, you've got negative of her,

843
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: you can throw that out the window, because it's like

844
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: day one is shit here right now. But her bounce

845
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: back from the two defeats, the first one being insanely

846
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: humbling against Matafari because she fell apart, you know, and

847
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: you know, physically and in her gas tank and everything there.

848
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: And then to come back from that big injury, you know,

849
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: and the okay, the loss to Grosso may have may

850
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: have happened at that point under any circumstance, to come

851
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: back from those two losses and the major injury and

852
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: all that hype getting the balloon popped and put together

853
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: a three fright wind streak as she has, you know,

854
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: fighting under mister Faber and showing a lot of improvements

855
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: in heart, you know, mixed in with that that rage

856
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: that she seems to be fueled on.

857
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: Look, it's been impressive, okay, but.

858
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: I didn't think she actually beat Maverick and the last

859
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: two opponents, you know, I and Dala Rosa like good wins,

860
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: good decision wins. But I don't think she's been setting

861
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: the world on fire where people are like, okay, how

862
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: soon you know before we see her at the very top.

863
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: I think this is a fight where A she should

864
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: win it, but B maybe this will be the beginning

865
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: because it would be a fourth straight defeat and start

866
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: working her back into this larger title picture, which the

867
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: good news right now is that it's it's it's fun,

868
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: it's deep, and it's interesting, and there's a lot of

869
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 3: cool names, and we just saw the belt change hands

870
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: where Macy Barber fits in long at one twenty five.

871
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: This fight may may may.

872
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: Tell us a lot about that Luke right, this could

873
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: be the fight that that really swings her momentum in

874
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: the right direction. But she's got to come out and

875
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: look dominant, which we've seen at times from her. I mean, look,

876
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: she fight, does she fight on spie and a chip

877
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: on her shoulder almost as good as any other in

878
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: this game. I mean it's just like, you know, it's

879
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: just like damn. But you know, we heard Favorite, Remember

880
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: we had Favor on the couch and he really broke

881
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: down her changes mentally and all that I believe in it.

882
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: I believe she's turning a right corner here, but you

883
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: got to come out and show us here against a

884
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: tough enough out. I got respect for Lee as a fighter.

885
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: Tough enough out Luke.

886
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: All right, definitely, they're sitting currently. Lee is sitting at eleven,

887
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Barber sitting at thirteen. Winner here could enter the top ten.

888
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: So an important bout in that sense, you see. Also

889
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: on this card should be a fun one. Daniel Pineda

890
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: take it on Tucker Lutz. That's kind of an interesting

891
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: little contest like her LUTs out of the Baltimore area,

892
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: I think, out of the ground Control team. Also on

893
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: this card BC kind of interesting cheaty and Chia Kawani

894
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: taking on Albert deryah VOI. Cheating Injia Kawani is so fun, dude,

895
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: if you're like a really good striker. I don't know

896
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: what it is with the matchmakers, because it's not just UFC.

897
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: You see this all the time and you're like, well,

898
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: it always happens. But like Injia Kawani, if he fought

899
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: in Strike Force fifteen years ago, whatever it is, they

900
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: would have never made this fight. They would have never

901
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: made it because Deariah's gonna try and take him down

902
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: the entire time. And Duria, from what I know, folks

903
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: who trade with him tell me he has awesome ground

904
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: and pound, like you just know what, Like he's not

905
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna try and strike it out with Cheaty. Why do

906
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: they keep giving this fucking guy people like this rather

907
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: than like another good striker he could have a fun

908
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: bout with.

909
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: It's an interesting point. I don't know.

910
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: And he does have to come back Luke from that

911
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: loss to RoboCop, which came after a four fight win

912
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: streak in which you know, he ran right into it.

913
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: He felt the pain that happened right there. But yeah,

914
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: this does offer an interesting style contrast in that regard

915
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: in a big hill to climb? Are you a long

916
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 3: term believer in Cheaty outside of hey man, he could

917
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: beat anybody at any given time. But where you you

918
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: stand on that?

919
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: So the only issue with Cheaty angel Kiwani is not

920
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: really his ability. His ability is pretty great, but the

921
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: problem is he's thirty four, Like it took him a

922
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: while to go from striker there. He's always been a

923
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: good striker or whatever in MMA, but it took him

924
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: a while to go from that to build up his

925
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: ground game, to build up his wrestling defenses. And it's

926
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: funny like his brother for a time had a much

927
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: bigger profile. Cheaty I don't think has ever quite reached

928
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: the same height, although he's on the main card here,

929
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: but he and his brother had the same kind of

930
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: situation like Anthony Angel Kawani dynamic Strikers. They train with

931
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: good guys one kick Nick out of Las Vegas, like

932
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: they're they're talented dudes, but because of their style, because

933
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: of their body type when they're long and rangy, they've

934
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: just always had they've always kind of run into roadblocks

935
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: with guys who could who could wrestle them. Not just

936
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: that with Anthony, but it seems to be just a

937
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: consistent problem.

938
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 3: I regulick name up there pretty high, Luke, Cheaty Cheaty

939
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: bang Bang.

940
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 1: Not only does he Chety bang bang.

941
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: Check my boxes in a few areas, Luke, wherever you

942
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: spend most of your time as like a toddler at

943
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: your grandma's or your babysitters or whatever, it seems like

944
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: whatever VHS Disney tapes they had in their collection in

945
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: some ways built the foundation of who we are.

946
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: Luke.

947
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: When I went over my grandparents' house, you know, every

948
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: afternoon and every weekend for most of my youth.

949
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

950
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: Starring starring one of the Dicks was that Dick Van

951
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: Dick Van Dyke. Luke, it is just you know, it's

952
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: the songs, the catchphrases.

953
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: It's still imprinted on the back of my brain. Luke.

954
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: Have you ever had any experience with that classic children's flick?

955
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I used to watch. I mean, we're doing

956
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: some old guy shit here, but yeah, I used to

957
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: watch Mary Mary Mary Poppin's super Cala FRADI.

958
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: I'm asking you about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, That's what

959
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 3: I'm asking you about.

960
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: Yes, I've seen that too. I've seen I've seen Dick

961
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: Van Dyke's better works. For whatever that is worth. I mean,

962
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're doing Dick Van Dyke material. Can

963
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: we tell?

964
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I could go. I got material for Dick

965
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: van Patten too. Look if you want to pivot, but

966
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: also on this card.

967
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: Very quickly, Nate Landware ticket on Austin Lingo and then

968
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: Alex Petees is back against Manel cop That should be

969
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: an interesting, a fun one.

970
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: That's an important fight in the flyweight division.

971
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Sure, yes, sure is good one. With that in mind, PC,

972
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: let's talk about where we're gonna be at the end

973
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: of today. We're gonna be in Las Vegas, Nevada, for

974
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: the one and only David Benavitez taking on Caleb Plant.

975
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: Now listen, As we all know, boxing odds are always

976
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: all over the place, Listen to this one minus three

977
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: to ten for David Benavitez plus two forty for Caleb

978
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: Plant BC before I got some highlights. We're gonna break

979
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: down here just a minute, but not right the second.

980
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: First things first, in the minds of people who may

981
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: have heard these names or you know, understand that what's like,

982
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: what's the big deal? Canelo's got all the belts in

983
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: this division? Anyway? Who are these guys? Why does this

984
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: fight matter?

985
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: Uh?

986
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: These are two former champions who have come back since

987
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: losing their titles. Of course, for Caleb Plant it's his

988
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: only lost against Canelaavas in a knockout in the undisputed

989
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: time fight in a good effort. And for Benevitez, of course,

990
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: we know the long history of missteps which took his

991
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: titles away from him without losing. They're gonna fight each

992
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: other rather than waiting in line for Canelo or what

993
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: have you. Whyatt extra matters is this division one hundred

994
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: and sixty eight pounds is really poised this year to

995
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: be arguably the best in the entire game, which is

996
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 3: always gonna be tough, especially in a renaissance heavy area.

997
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: Era and Walter Waite is always great. Although we're having

998
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: some issue making those big fights of late, this division

999
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: is on fire, fantastic. It's got one of the you know,

1000
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: it's got the biggest star in the sport, Canelo, and

1001
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 3: one of its best fighters, as you're on, disputed champion.

1002
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: But Canelo last year didn't fight.

1003
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 3: Anybody in the one sixty eight rankings, right, fought Bevall

1004
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: and lost, fought Triple G at one sixty eight, but

1005
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: that was more of a of an event, you know,

1006
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: closing out a rivalry there. So Canelo comes back to

1007
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: this division, you know, against John Ryder on May sixth

1008
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: and against a mandatory but we're really we're trying to

1009
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: find out who's next, not just who's the next Canelo opponent,

1010
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: but at large, who's the man in this division? I

1011
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: never thought that would be a theme. Look, I wrote

1012
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: it like I always do ahead of big events. Yesterday

1013
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: for CBS Sports dot Com, I wrote, you know, five

1014
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: biggest storylines entering Plant Benavidez, and you know, the last

1015
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: one was just that idea about the identity of this

1016
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: division and the unanswered questions, which is insane because Canela

1017
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: Alvarez is still your own disputed champion and he became

1018
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: that with three straight knockout wins in unification fights against

1019
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: unbeaten champions Calum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, and then Plant,

1020
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: so that should have decided everything, but with him stepping

1021
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: away for a year, with Benavidez never quite getting that

1022
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 3: true showdown on the elite level because of missing his weight,

1023
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: you know, missing weight and losing his title and of

1024
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 3: course the drug test that we talked about.

1025
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: This is you know, if this was against.

1026
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: Caleb Plant fresh off the lost to Canelo, even with

1027
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: the trash talk, it still wouldn't have been as big.

1028
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: But when you add in that Caleb Plant has a

1029
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: new trainer in bred Man Edwards, an even deeper connection

1030
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: to this self belief, which is it. You know, it's insane, right,

1031
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: It's either he has a secret that we don't know

1032
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: about or he's got the biggest inflated balls, you know

1033
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: in his reading his own headlines, but he's coming off

1034
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: the knockout of the year as a slick boxer. So

1035
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: you could not have these two come together in a

1036
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: style contrast way in terms of both being red hot

1037
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 3: and in terms of the hatred between them at any

1038
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 3: better point. This is the fight to make you don't

1039
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: even need a title, and yet it still is going

1040
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: to answer a lot of questions. Why Because Caleb Plant

1041
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: is riding so high that he might be actually better

1042
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: than we realize he is. And because David Benavitez is

1043
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: the only fighter at one sixty eight, Even with Demetrius

1044
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: Andred moving up, even with the threat of Jamal Charlo

1045
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: moving up, even with David Morel who's unbeaten and looking good,

1046
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: there's one guy that the general public believes in this

1047
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: weight class can beat Canelo and can beat him straight up,

1048
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: and that's Benavitez, who knows this might be the last

1049
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: turtle he would have to clear to get that chance.

1050
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: So really, so many things are converging.

1051
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: This weekend in Las Vegas.

1052
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: Luke has talked about from Taylor Swift to you know

1053
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: WW SmackDown. But what's really is this is a monster

1054
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: showdown in the best division of the sport that's going

1055
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: to decide a lot of things moving forward, and whether

1056
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: you're here for the hate or whether you're here because

1057
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 3: you love the sport or whatever, you're gonna be entertained

1058
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: on Saturday. I don't need to sell it for showtime,

1059
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, in fact, they pay me to do that.

1060
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: But as a boxing fan, this is one of those like,

1061
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 3: oh yes, okay, shit, we're getting the boys together, let's

1062
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: you know, let's go in on this pay per view

1063
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: is gonna be one of those nights, Luke and I

1064
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: can't wait.

1065
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: Now, before we get to the actual footage, I'm gonna

1066
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: do a little bit of a mini dissected here on air.

1067
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: First things first, PC, I'm gonna sort of set up

1068
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: what they're good at. You tell me if this is fair.

1069
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: David Benavidez, he is a come forward monster. He marches

1070
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: his opponents down. He's tall for the weight class, rangey,

1071
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: but he has good power, I would say. I'd say

1072
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: he has ridiculous handspeed, great combination, punching, dynamic finisher in

1073
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: your face at all times, great chin, great timing, he

1074
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: can punch in all of little narrow windows. He's excellent

1075
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: at that. True or false?

1076
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: All true? What you said right there, I'd say his

1077
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: power is very good.

1078
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: Some people are calling it great, but you don't see

1079
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: a lot of one punch knockouts. But when he goes

1080
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: downhill on you and corners you and puts the it's

1081
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: really you know what his key and power is. Sometimes

1082
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: guys we call them powerful, but they're not really powerful.

1083
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: They're just fast and accurate. I think for Benefitez, his

1084
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: key with the power is he throws powerful combinations that

1085
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: other in the game. I mean, people, look, there's some

1086
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: great combination punchers canelos one of them, but this guy

1087
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 3: throws like four or five six punch power combinations, almost

1088
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: like a prime MANI Pacio. In just that regard. I

1089
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: think that's what ultimately makes his power so dangerous, because

1090
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: he's coming at you like a freight train, and he's

1091
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: got that old school flair Luke that like he's not

1092
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: is he not?

1093
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: Just is he.

1094
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: Willing to go through the hell to win? It's the

1095
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 3: only way he knows how.

1096
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: Right, That's the only way he knows how. He and

1097
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: you could see he is such a dynamic physical force

1098
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: in this weight class. That's the first i'd say talking

1099
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: about Kayleb Plant. It's a little bit different, right. He

1100
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: is what we would call a slickster, right BC. So

1101
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: you saw it against Canelo Alvarez, Yes, Canelo one. But

1102
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: he uses that Philly shell where he's just kind of

1103
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: rolling all the time, and he's got great footwork and

1104
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: he's on the move. That's one of his defensive strengths. Offensively,

1105
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: he can be dynamic as well. We just saw the

1106
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: Anthony drell Ko. I'd like to walk us through that

1107
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: if we can. BC. Let's pull that up on the screen.

1108
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk you guys through a mini mini mini

1109
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: mini dissected here. So this is my screen. You can

1110
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: see here. I'm gonna move it around. Oh are they

1111
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: not moving on the screen. Well, that's a problem.

1112
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: Hold on, look you're the new tsar of the telestrator.

1113
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not moving on the screen. That's a little weird.

1114
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: Hang on just one second, and now it's kind of moving.

1115
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Hang on, there we go. All right, all right, here

1116
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: we go. Here we go. Okay, let's do this. Ready,

1117
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: here we go. I want you to pay attention to

1118
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: something what you're gonna notice is Caleb Plant. So you

1119
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: have two choices when you fight Kayleb Plant. You can

1120
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: do the Canelo Alvarez one where you try and corner

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00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: him and walk him down, which is what I think

1122
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: David Navidez is probably going to do at least for

1123
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: most other part of the fight, excuse me. On the

1124
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: other side, you can do what Durell decided to do,

1125
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: which was to stand here and let Caleb Plant circle

1126
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: and then try and find him. What Caleb Plant's gonna

1127
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: do is he's gonna get this foot. Yes, he's gonna

1128
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: get it to the outside first, right, so he has

1129
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: a blind corner and then he's gonna jump into position.

1130
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: What he's looking to do is go to the body

1131
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: once and then upstairs to the head with a double

1132
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: left hook. All right, So let's watch this in real time.

1133
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: You're gonna watch him step here. He is sort of

1134
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: gauging timing. He steps back, and he's waiting for Darrell,

1135
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: by the way, so let's watch Derell for just a second.

1136
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: So Darrell is actually stepping correctly. Actually, let me take

1137
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: let me take a step back around that one. So

1138
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: he is stepping. Yeah, he's doing it correctly, it's fine,

1139
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: but he can get timed this way. He can absolutely

1140
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: get timed this way. So when he gets to stepping,

1141
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: look he's on the outside. But that's gonna change here

1142
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: in an instant because when he lets excuse me, when

1143
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: plant lets the backfoot go down, he's going to right there,

1144
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: he's going to see the step. He's going to bring

1145
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: this foot in line with this one and this one

1146
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: in line with this one. Watch as he flashes the jab. Boom,

1147
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: there he is. So now his feet are more in line.

1148
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: He has changed the angle. Next, what he's gonna do is,

1149
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: after he flashes the jab, he goes hook to the body.

1150
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: But you see he's already kind of calming up a

1151
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: little bit right. Look at his head level here when

1152
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: he throws the body hook, now it's here, and when

1153
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: when he finishes, it's up here, and he gets greeted

1154
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: with the left hook for it. So that didn't work.

1155
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: And when you watch it in real time, b so

1156
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: you can see he just kind of, I want to say,

1157
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: rushes it, but he tried it and it didn't fully work.

1158
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: Watch it in real time here, bo bop bop. He

1159
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: comes up quickly and gets intercepted for it. He tries

1160
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: it again. We're in round two. He tries it again

1161
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: a little bit later in round five with a different approach.

1162
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: Right here, he is waiting. Here comes Durrell landing. He's

1163
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: actually actually he's moving. It looks like to me, you know,

1164
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: he's moving. He's getting the timing right. So look, Derell

1165
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: is bringing his feet together, and as soon as he's

1166
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: bringing his foot up, Caleb goes right. So he's not

1167
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: catching him on the beat, he's catching him in between

1168
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: it splitting his timing. What's he gonna do. He's gonna

1169
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: not throw a jab this time. Notice there's no jab here,

1170
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: So he's trying to make it quicker, so he throws

1171
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: to the hook, a hook to the body. He's gonna

1172
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: try and double it up. Now he brings his own

1173
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: defense up there, but it just doesn't really land because

1174
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: Darrell is expecting it. He knows. Just watch Darrell here,

1175
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: don't watch Caleb plant. As soon as he sees Caleb

1176
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: Plant go, he brings it up knowing that's gonna be there,

1177
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: and then brings it back up when he throws right.

1178
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: Watch watch Drell brings it up, sees it's on the

1179
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: same side, lets it go down again, and then fires

1180
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: it back up top when he has it there. So

1181
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: your window is here. This is your window. Now let's

1182
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: watch him do it again. And he's gonna change the

1183
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: timing on this. By the way, I also want to

1184
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: point out. Look at Darrell take a back step just

1185
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,240
Speaker 1: a little bit to kind of lean out of the way.

1186
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: Now watch the finishing sequence BC. Here he is jabbing, circling,

1187
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: not jabbing, but hanging his glove out in the air.

1188
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: Right now, watch, I want you to pay attention to

1189
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: Derel too. Pay attention to Derell's footwork. Excuse me, his footwork.

1190
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: He's bringing backfoot first, right when we talked about this.

1191
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: When you go backfoot first and then your front first second,

1192
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: it brings you into punching range front foot heavy, which

1193
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: makes it hard to get out or pivot. Caleb sees this, right,

1194
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: and where's he before? He was on a line. He's

1195
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: gonna step out and this time no jab like the

1196
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: second one. He goes right hook. He goes hook to

1197
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: the body. Okay, so now what's the difference. The difference

1198
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: is he doesn't go bang bang, He waits and rolls

1199
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: under and then peeks up and sees Durrell is there

1200
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: and then lets it go. So he changed his initial

1201
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: approach from the first one with the jab, dropped the

1202
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: jab on the second one, but it was still bang

1203
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: bang this time, waits and it lands fucking perfectly. And

1204
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: by the way, pay attention to the way the punch lands.

1205
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: Pay attention to the way the punch lands here. Watch this.

1206
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: So it how do we get kots. It's the whipping force, right,

1207
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: It's the chin getting whipped around, right, And so you

1208
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: have this punch coming as Durrell gets crashed into it

1209
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: because Durrell kind of is crouched too, right, Durrell is

1210
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of crouched down. So when he pops up, bah,

1211
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: there's your window. He found the window, taking away the jab,

1212
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: altering the timing and got him dead to fucking rights.

1213
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: Let's look at it one more time. Look at this.

1214
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Watch this as he look at him, as the foot

1215
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: is in the air, pay attention to the feet. As

1216
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: the foot is up he lands it. He's already going, plants,

1217
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: already going, steps out, whips, rolls under, waits looks up

1218
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: there he is looking up. Got you, pal Son.

1219
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: Such a showy it.

1220
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: That's such a brilliant adjustment by taking just a few

1221
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, miles per hour off that fastball after you

1222
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, perfectly showed us how he came close earlier

1223
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 3: but then figured out if he just produces that delay.

1224
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's almost muscle memory at this point in

1225
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: the fight for Darrell to know how to deal with

1226
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 3: that and see it coming. Yet you alter that just enough.

1227
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 3: That's really Look, please tell me this is the future

1228
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: of morning combat, because this is Professor Salt and Pepper,

1229
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: like in peak form right now.

1230
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this kind of stuff, and I want

1231
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: to point out look at how he catches him. Even

1232
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: his shoulder is there to protect a little bit because

1233
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: he's got it kind of back. Every single guys pop

1234
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: their shoulders when they punch, right, But it doesn't matter Boom,

1235
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: because look at what the punch is trajectory as b see,

1236
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: he's not punching this way. He's punching this way. Watch

1237
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: watch watch, watch, watch watch Boom. So it sends his

1238
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: chin ready over his shoulder. It's not this, it's this.

1239
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: It's a big difference, even though it looks subtle, and

1240
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: that's why it sends him fucking crashing to the mat now,

1241
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: David benavidezbc Listen, he's fighting David Lemieux here. David Lemieux

1242
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: is not Caleb play. Okay, I think it's fair to

1243
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: say it's just not even remotely the same. But this

1244
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: gives you a sense of what makes David Benavitez so

1245
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: fucking dangerous. Right, So let's just watch here. I want

1246
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: you to pay attention now. Listen, David Lemieu is hurt here,

1247
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: but you see how he gets square to his opponent. Again,

1248
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: it's a no no, but if you're this guy in

1249
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: your high level, you can kind of get away with

1250
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: it. It doesn't really matter, right right, hook to the body uppercut.

1251
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: We should talk about this BC. Fucking David Benavidez has

1252
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: amazing uppercuts. He's got him with both hands, and because

1253
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: he stands square, yes, it makes him a bigger target.

1254
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: But the hand speed and the location and the combinations

1255
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: with everything, it just makes it really hard to deal with.

1256
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: He works uppercuts into four punch combinations. He so it's

1257
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 3: insane what he can do when going downhill and you mentioning,

1258
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: oh it's Lemieux and he's hurt, dude, this is what

1259
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: he does to anyone. He gets to, he corners you,

1260
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 3: starts going downhill, and he'll find your opening. That's that's

1261
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: the truth. He'll find your opening.

1262
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: All right. So here we go. A little bit later,

1263
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: he go uppercut straight hook fires it again. Look he's

1264
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 1: even catching him between his gloves. Look at the little

1265
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: lane he's got here. Boom still finds it, right, tiny

1266
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: little openings on combination, and he'll double up to that

1267
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: same side. He comes over and he hurts Lemieux. Let's

1268
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: see what happens here a little bit later, same thing.

1269
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: Kind of square right, kind of square doesn't really matter though,

1270
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: because he's got He times that left hook, follows it

1271
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: with a short right, pushes Lemieux over, gets out of

1272
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: the way. Kind of does this a lot too right, PC.

1273
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: He'll kind of march into you with his hands up

1274
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: and his guard up like that. A little bit. Yeah,

1275
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: resets here comes that left hook. So I would imagine

1276
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: bang bang, And look how short this right hand is.

1277
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: Look at it, just just that it's just this short

1278
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: little right hand catches him clean. It's good work from

1279
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: him over there. And now watch this a little bit later.

1280
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: Right now, he does walk into range. That's gonna be

1281
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: something that's gonna be Caleb Plants might be able to

1282
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: get him with right he kind of just walks in

1283
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: a La Shavkat, rolls back and then fires that left

1284
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: hook in between the punches right hand. Again, just look

1285
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: at how much he can just split the guard like

1286
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: it's nothing. There's through the ropes.

1287
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: There's times that we will call him like a brawler

1288
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: or call him you know, I mentioned he's willing to

1289
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: go through hell, meaning he has the mindset and the

1290
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: knowledge of his own chin that it doesn't matter Like

1291
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: you said that he squares up in front of you

1292
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: because he's got skills to avoid it and hurt you more.

1293
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: But he's not, you know, a brawler in the limited sense. Look,

1294
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: I like to call him a technical brawler. Does that

1295
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: term makes sense?

1296
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can, it can. I think that's right. A

1297
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: guy who does have technique and there is a science

1298
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: to it, but they will put themselves at risk to

1299
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: have a close range kind of blood and guts fight.

1300
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: I mean in an mma sense, that's justin Gaetgee when

1301
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: when he's at his best and not doing the full

1302
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: cave man routine.

1303
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: That's exactly who he is.

1304
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: But it shouldn't be a surprise because even though Benevetez

1305
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: was you know, very fat as a kid got they

1306
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: wanted him to get into boxing, he didn't take to it.

1307
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: He ended up you know, I think he was like

1308
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: a heavyweight as an amateur. His brother, his older brother

1309
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 3: Jose Junior, who we remember at his highest point, lost

1310
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: to Terrence Crawford and a welterweight title fight and just

1311
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: has a very good role in Creed three. As I

1312
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: mentioned the other day, Luke, everybody should check it out.

1313
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: He was shot in the leg. His pro career never

1314
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: really figured itself out, but he was a elite Olympic

1315
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: level amateur for the US. Luke like very high.

1316
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: He went pro at seventeen. The commission had to give

1317
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: him an exemption to do it.

1318
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like his brother was, I mean, you know, his

1319
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: was top top shelf. He be he'd beat Gary Russell

1320
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 3: Luke in the amateurs, I mean, top top shelf so

1321
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 3: or Gary Allen Russell.

1322
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: So the point here is it's it's sort of the mixture.

1323
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: It's the best of both worlds.

1324
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: Does Davidavidas have the quote unquote Mexican style, Yeah, dude,

1325
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 3: He'll take a couple to give one. He's a credit

1326
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: you know, an incredible body puncher. He'll walk you down.

1327
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: But there's nothing formulaic about his style, his Mexican style.

1328
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: It's the mixture of that technical knowledge. And you got

1329
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: to give his dad, Jose Senior or a lot of

1330
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: credit to in this regard for how he's trained his

1331
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: two sons and Luke. I love that breakdown, man, that

1332
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: was good shit. To show what they're up.

1333
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm almost almost on, almost on. I'll make it fast

1334
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: if we can get it one more. Let me just

1335
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: show you the timing on this left hook. Again, David

1336
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: Lemue is not Caleb Plant, but watch him. He lowers

1337
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: his level and throws and then as soon as he

1338
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: sees it pop And this is what I'm talking about.

1339
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: This is where the movement catches the punch at the

1340
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: same time. Those are the ones that hurt the worst.

1341
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: But I want to show this finish there he as

1342
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: he hurts them. Here, check out this finish. PC. Tell

1343
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: me this isn't porky Medina, but this is quite the finish.

1344
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: Watch this right hook to the body, left to the

1345
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: body right upstairs. Now here's where it comes. Look at

1346
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: this combination. We're gonna play it in real time. Just

1347
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: watch this. Look at this dude, know where to go.

1348
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: Look at the multiple left upper cuts and then he

1349
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: fires him over the right like the referee says, yeah,

1350
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: I've seen enough, guy, here's another angle.

1351
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: Watch this.

1352
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: Watch this. Just da da da da da. Just there's

1353
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: a machine gun, dude, that's a that's we're good here.

1354
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: David Benavidez is a fucking gatland gun. Just rotate that

1355
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: fucking thing and it's just barrel after barrel of weapons

1356
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: of firing at you down range. He's amazing, dude.

1357
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: He mayde it look like a schoolyard brawl, but one

1358
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: of those rare schoolyard you know, like every school's got

1359
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: tough kids, but like every school's got one kid who

1360
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: like actually you know, has been to the gym and

1361
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 3: his dad spars or whatever and can actually skill. And

1362
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: that guy can just light people up in hallway fights.

1363
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: Look just with commedy, I mean that's a that's what

1364
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: that brutal finish look like. Great stuff to break that down.

1365
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: But on the flip side though, with plant and you

1366
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: nailed it. We know him for incredible defense, very quick

1367
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: and smart feet and just a pure boxer, you know.

1368
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: I mean, look, telling people's backstories can be you know,

1369
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 3: we've heard of the million times or whatever. But like,

1370
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: Plant came from nothing in Tennessee, that's not a boxing hotbed.

1371
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 3: But he really did use the sport and the potential

1372
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: of where it could take him as his like only

1373
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 3: career path, only life plan, and Luke, he has put

1374
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 3: in the.

1375
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: Hours to perfect his craft.

1376
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 3: You see that even though he's a guy that's not

1377
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: known for big power, and you know, we do question

1378
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: does he have a chin elite enough where if this

1379
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 3: becomes an action fight, can't he take it. His breakthrough

1380
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: win was winning the title against jose Huskatigi a few

1381
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 3: years back, but he did have to hold on late

1382
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 3: when he got rocked a few times and it was

1383
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: getting a little gnarly. Here's the thing I want to

1384
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: say about Plant's skill and why the timing of this

1385
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 3: fight is so perfect, not just because of that Darrell

1386
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 3: knockout in the momentum, but look, I think you'll agree

1387
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: on the levels of coaching. This is not an indictment

1388
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: against his dad, Richie, who was his amateur coach and

1389
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 3: is still in his corner, or even Justin Gamber who

1390
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: was his trainer for the Canelo fight and had been

1391
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: his pro trainer for a lot of it. But you know,

1392
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: neither of those guys are known as elite, world class trainers.

1393
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 3: Look at what he did in one fight adding the

1394
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: tutelage of Stephen Bredman Edwards.

1395
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1396
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: This this sometimes you.

1397
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 3: Know, look at when Geechee, I'm sorry, when Usman moved

1398
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: to Gayschee's trainer. There h Whitman in that regard where

1399
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 3: it's just wow, just that extra influence to what you

1400
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: already have.

1401
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 2: What could it do?

1402
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 3: I think we're finding out in real time here as

1403
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: is Caleb Plant what he can do? Because does he

1404
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: have one punch power? Not normally, but if it's set

1405
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 3: up like that, Luke, could he hurt Benavide's damn right?

1406
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 2: I mean it's possible here.

1407
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: So he is carrying a level of cockiness and confidence

1408
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,479
Speaker 3: that really has us asking a lot of questions entering

1409
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: this fight about Caleb because Luke, he's poking the bear purposely.

1410
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: If you go to.

1411
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: David Benevidez dot com, as we talked about, it's a

1412
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: Caleb Plant merch store with like you know, pre fight

1413
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 3: documentary videos.

1414
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like he.

1415
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 3: Is calling him names all the time. He even challenged,

1416
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: you know during that press conference, talking shit to the

1417
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: Dad Jose Senior. We've seen them in the gym actually

1418
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 3: come to blows. He was, you know, kleb through the

1419
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: first punch in that long video. I played that one

1420
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: time that sort of started this back in twenty eighteen

1421
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 3: when he tried to punch Jose Junior. But he's poking

1422
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 3: the bear at epic levels right now. So I got

1423
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: two clips I want to play you from that fantastic

1424
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: Showtime All Excess.

1425
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: It's it's the one episode. That's that's good.

1426
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: It's only one episode, but it's you got to check

1427
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: this out. This is what we've talked about. When they

1428
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 3: had that press conference in February to announce this fight.

1429
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: The two teams almost got into some level of a

1430
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 3: fight before during and I've read multiple reports about even

1431
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 3: after backstage. Watch the body language from both fighters here

1432
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 3: in this when they're getting out of the car ahead

1433
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 3: of the press conference back in February.

1434
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: That's Dad man, you're right there. Thank god, you've made it.

1435
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: He was, what's up? Said no morning to mom?

1436
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 4: You like I don't I've still got more knockouts.

1437
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: You know, I got a respect. But you don't look

1438
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: at me like the stop sup like that like that

1439
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: you better come?

1440
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: No, no, you should be.

1441
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: You guys, what's up?

1442
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: What up? You're not scary to me? A lot of you?

1443
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah what?

1444
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: What?

1445
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: Can't fucking wait? That was Bredman Edwards, the black trainer

1446
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: there of Caleb Plano.

1447
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 3: So I could show you that just to hype you

1448
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: up to want to buy the pay per view because

1449
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: we love this pro wrestling. But it's real kind of

1450
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: you know, agitation. But Luke, here's how this might play

1451
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 3: into the fight and the questions we have to ask

1452
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 3: for plant here.

1453
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: Because would you would you agree?

1454
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: You have to be impressed by how he's handling himself.

1455
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: You have to be.

1456
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 3: He's literally looking in the face of the boogeyman of

1457
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 3: this division and you could argue the sport and he's like,

1458
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: you're not scared to me, and he's not flinching, he's

1459
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 3: not posturing for the sake of there's cameras around. Did

1460
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 3: you watch during the actual press conference, which was about

1461
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes after this, that moment was filmed where like

1462
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 3: Benavenez gets out and pushes him and Caleb's just got

1463
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: his hands in his pockets doing nothing. So this is

1464
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 3: certainly part of the game. This is mental warfare. Look,

1465
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: if this is only to bring out the very best

1466
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 3: in Caleb and get his confidence, I mean, look, he

1467
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 3: has such high confidence right now that I really question

1468
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 3: the size of his ballbag. So because like, you know,

1469
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: is he crazy? Is he crazy like a fox? Like

1470
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 3: what is really going on here? He is just so

1471
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: next level confident. If that's just to fire himself up, great,

1472
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 3: But I have to believe based on how he's doing

1473
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 3: this that this is strategic. And you could argue he

1474
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 3: tried to do that with Canelo. They actually he lured

1475
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 3: Canelo into an actual fistfight at their press conference. But

1476
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 3: the thing was, he never got Canelo in that fight

1477
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 3: to get off of his game plan. Stop being the

1478
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: sniper early before walking you down with technical shots. And

1479
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, look, Caleb got hit with very accurate, hard

1480
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: shots and he went down a couple times and the

1481
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: fight was over. He never got Canelo off his game plan.

1482
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 3: My question to you is is this gamble of potentially

1483
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 3: trying to get Benavitez knowing he is a hothead. I mean,

1484
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: he lives and dies on emotions. I don't say that

1485
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 3: as an insult. I say that as Benavitez. What makes

1486
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 3: him great is that he pours so much of his

1487
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 3: emotions into it. That's what makes him dynamic and exciting

1488
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: and very dangerous. But we have seen people master the

1489
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: mental game. If he's learning Benavetez to you know, square up,

1490
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 3: not cut corners defense, you know, cut corners defensively, to

1491
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 3: just come at you and make you pay. Because is

1492
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 3: that the perfect contrast to what makes Caleb Plant good

1493
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 3: getting in and out with accurate hard shots.

1494
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: You know, yes, that is. But Luke, we found this out.

1495
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: In life, the old death around and find out the

1496
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: old poke the bear thing. There's some people, you know,

1497
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 3: I play mind games all the time, and when I

1498
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 3: play basketball, people hate me for it. But I have

1499
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 3: to know right away who's because it is fight or flight, Luke,

1500
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 3: getting fucked with that either makes you incredibly better because

1501
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: you're able to get angry and you're able to focus

1502
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: even more on that, or it takes you off of

1503
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 3: your game and makes you emotional.

1504
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: I want to play one more.

1505
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 3: Video from the All Access before I get your response

1506
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: to this long winded question here, Luke of is this

1507
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 3: the wrong guy to poke at this level or is

1508
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: this exactly the genius plan that Caleb has that actually

1509
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 3: could work. Let's hear Benavitaz's response to being called fat

1510
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: and he's got man boobs and all that.

1511
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: This is interesting. Yeah, I mean I still deal with

1512
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: it to this day.

1513
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 4: Use Caleb plants talking saying fat boy is fat boy that.

1514
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: But at the end of the.

1515
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 4: Day, it makes no sense that these dudes are all

1516
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 4: cut up, they're all marked up, they don't have no

1517
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 4: knock outs.

1518
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: And then you go to the opposite side.

1519
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 4: You got somebody that's a fat boy supposedly twenty six fights.

1520
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: He has twenty three knockouts. So you tell me who's

1521
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: doing it right.

1522
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 4: I don't care what people say. At the end of

1523
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 4: the day, they sound fat, they say on this, they

1524
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 4: say I'm that, they say I'm not dedicated. But at

1525
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I'm doing one job. And

1526
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: when I get his ass in that ring marks twenty fifth,

1527
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna break this off. I'm gonna make them regret

1528
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 4: everything he said.

1529
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: Did you see those eyes? Luke, answer my question here,

1530
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 2: is this the right strategy.

1531
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: For Caleb I'll say this, you know what, and it

1532
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: lines up with bringing Breadman in. Breadman is such a

1533
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: smart trainer, such a student of boxing, a lifelong student,

1534
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 1: but now a coach and a brilliant mind in the sport.

1535
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: I think it's he's trying like, Okay, the defense wasn't

1536
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,839
Speaker 1: enough against Canelo, but you would never look at Caleb's

1537
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: defense and be like this is his shortcoming. It's actually

1538
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: a strong suit. What Breadman looks like he's trying to

1539
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: give him is a little bit more firepower, right, give

1540
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: him a little bit more offense to match the defensive

1541
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: ability that he has, make him more of a two

1542
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: way fighter. Wasn't enough against Canelo. He didn't have him

1543
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: at the time. Here he is now. And I just

1544
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: think it's changed, Kayln his mindset a little bit, like

1545
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be defensive. I'm not gonna be I'm

1546
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be, you know, trying to be out slickster.

1547
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be slicker than you. But that's not why

1548
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win. I'm gonna be winning because I'm gonna

1549
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: be hurting you more. And I think it's just given

1550
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: him a new confidence in a way where poking the

1551
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: bear or not. He just sees it as that's the

1552
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: way he's gonna carry himself, that's the way he feels,

1553
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: and we'll see if he can fight that way. On

1554
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: March twenty fifth.

1555
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 3: Well, look, if you ask yourself, can he break Benavidez physically? Now, Look,

1556
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 3: if anybody gets hit with that combination that Durell did

1557
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 3: in that exact manner, they can be knocked down, knocked

1558
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 3: out or hurt badly. Right, Benavidez has going for him

1559
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 3: a great chin, great sturdiness and size, and the right

1560
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 3: kind of crazy mindset, the mindset that like, if I

1561
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: have to, I'll take that, but it's not even gonna

1562
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 3: it's not even gonna rock me because I'm so determined

1563
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: and motivated on getting through it to get to you.

1564
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 2: So no, I don't.

1565
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 3: I don't really think you know, he's gonna gas him

1566
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 3: or break him physically, But the real question is can't

1567
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: he break him mentally? Luke can and he bend him

1568
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 3: mentally to play into what Caleb Plant does better as

1569
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 3: we both just broke down. I mean, some of it

1570
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 3: is we don't know, but Benavidez just might be too

1571
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 3: much that the risk of trying that just could. I mean,

1572
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: you know it is Caleb Plant known for his chin. No,

1573
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 3: he's also not known for being chiny or or or vulnerable, but.

1574
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: You know he's getting hitting hit a lot.

1575
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 3: So I do think you know, Caleb's got incredible mental

1576
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 3: you know, drive and that you know and that that

1577
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 3: that actually plays into a chin.

1578
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: Seriously, I really believe that.

1579
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 3: I believe you're you're in, You're in your willingness to

1580
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 3: get through anything. You know, if your mind is as

1581
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: sharp as it can possibly be. I feel like your chin,

1582
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 3: you know, can almost double in strength. But if you

1583
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: get this guy this mad, and even if you get

1584
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 3: him off his game, that danger level still doesn't go down,

1585
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 3: even if you're catching him with counters and darting in

1586
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: and out. Is thirty six minutes enough for Benavidez to

1587
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: catch up to him? Look that's the real question, right,

1588
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 3: that really is is that enough time for him to

1589
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 3: catch up to him and make him pay?

1590
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: We are gonna find out. I can't wait. BC. Also

1591
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: in this card, very briefly, very briefly, listen to these

1592
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: odds on a boxing card. You just never see this

1593
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: minus two to fifty Jesus Alejandro Ramos taking on Joseph Spencer.

1594
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: He's a plus one ninety. Now there is a big

1595
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: odd discrepancy here, although even by boxing standards not that much.

1596
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: Minus seven to fifty for Cody Crowley taking on a

1597
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: plus four to seventy five able Ramos again. And then

1598
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: how about this we see opening the card the returner

1599
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 1: Chris Colbert at minus one forty five against Jose Valezuela

1600
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: at plus one fifteen. So these odds are crazy close.

1601
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 3: Look the trend in boxing in general, Let's be very honest.

1602
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: The trend in boxing in general is pay per view

1603
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 3: under cards don't always kick your dorns, especially not on

1604
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 3: the level you know from like the UFC or if

1605
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 3: you're an old school boxing fan remember the Don King

1606
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 3: cards Like this is.

1607
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: A very good one.

1608
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 3: The odds tell you that the hardcore is online have

1609
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 3: told you that. Why here, because these are guys that

1610
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: have made their name a bunch of them for a

1611
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 3: while on PBC undercards or in main events on smaller cards,

1612
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 3: and now we're testing themselves against one another. Chris Colbert

1613
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 3: and Jose Alanzuela both had big losses on the highest level,

1614
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 3: yet still have a lot of ability and hunger and

1615
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: need to come back and prove themselves. So they're gonna

1616
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 3: fight each other.

1617
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: Love it.

1618
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: The Ramos family. If you don't know, big power here.

1619
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: Able Ramos is the uncle. Hezeus Ramos is much younger,

1620
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 3: about ten years younger, and he's the nephew. But he's

1621
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: like twenty two and he's blood and you know, guts,

1622
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 3: he throws big bombs, He's got big power. They're fighting

1623
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 3: some interesting prospects in themselves and Cody Walter, wait, Cody

1624
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 3: Crowley who you know PBC people believe can do some things, Luke,

1625
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 3: and the same thing with Joey Spencer, who we've seen

1626
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: before at this level. These are some very good fights

1627
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 3: with the potential for explosiveness and competitiveness. And to me,

1628
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 3: we don't always say that, we really don't when it

1629
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: comes to these boxing pay per view undercards. So it's

1630
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 3: good to see good. Look it's there, wats the all

1631
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 3: access and then ask yourself do you need to watch

1632
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: this fight?

1633
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm serious, you know what I mean?

1634
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 3: If they if our preview right now didn't fire you up,

1635
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what else will. But this is this

1636
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 3: is prime theater, regardless of your hardcore casual boxing founds.

1637
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: Eric. All right, we got a lot to get through

1638
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: left here, so let's run through this here be see

1639
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: topic number three. There is so our focus has been

1640
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: UFC and boxing obviously with the Sanhagen and Chito Vera fight,

1641
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: and now Benavid doesn't plant. But there's a lot going on. BC.

1642
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: One of my old stomping grounds, Norfolk, Virginia, on tomorrow

1643
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: will be BKFC thirty nine. In the main event, Regiinald

1644
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: Barrett Junior taken on Frank Alvarez. I do not know

1645
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: these gentlemen.

1646
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: But Britain Heartday Luke Friday Night, I said Friday?

1647
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: Did I not say Saturday twenty four?

1648
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: He said tomorrow? You said tomorrow.

1649
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: That's okay, I apologize.

1650
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 2: Yes, the Barnet fight is a bantamweight title fight, okay.

1651
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: But Britain Hart's taking on Jenny Savage. BC, you spoke

1652
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: to Brittain Hart set up this fight for us, and

1653
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: what is going on with her that we should be

1654
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: paying attention to.

1655
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, So look, brit Hard, we know her as I'm

1656
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 3: an effing feeling to begin with, right when she upset

1657
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 3: Paige van Zan and handled her in there and then

1658
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 3: became a personnel for BKFC. Why because Luke she fights

1659
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 3: so aggressively and goes after it. She's always talks game

1660
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 3: and the microphone talks scrap about others, defend herself, you

1661
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 3: know all that. But you know, when she came off

1662
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 3: of that PVC win, she then fought Jenny Savage, who

1663
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 3: she's rematching on Saturday. This was at one twenty five

1664
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know if you remember the

1665
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 3: build to that, but it was wild, right, and you

1666
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 3: know they do not like each other one bit.

1667
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: Heart has gone on to win and lose. She lost

1668
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 2: a strawweight.

1669
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 3: Title about there in her rematch with Christine Ferrea, which

1670
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 3: was her second defeat to her, and it kind of

1671
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 3: you know, you started to wonder, did she kind of

1672
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 3: level out at this level? Well, then they created a

1673
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: division South one twenty five I'm sorry, one fifteen Women's strawwaight,

1674
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 3: And it turns out for Britain Hart that's, you know,

1675
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 3: the way she would prefer to be at. She won

1676
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 3: a championship in the in the vacant one and now

1677
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 3: we're heading into a rematch against Jenny Savage.

1678
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 2: Why it matters?

1679
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 3: This look Savage to a degree has reinvented herself as well.

1680
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 3: She believes one fifteen is her better weight class. She

1681
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 3: moved back down to change to Chase britton Heart, and

1682
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 3: she's got two wins in a row, including one by

1683
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 3: spectacular knockout, so interesting rematch. Here in the co feature,

1684
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: and here is Britton Hard talking about this evolution to

1685
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 3: her game because now by moving down Luke, she doesn't

1686
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 3: have to be as blood and guts. There's not as

1687
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: much of a side.

1688
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: It's different.

1689
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,839
Speaker 3: She's able to be more of a mixture of boxer puncher,

1690
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 3: and she's been able to figure out how to take

1691
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: less shots. Actually, let's see her talk about this reinvention.

1692
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1693
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 5: Absolutely, because you got to look at it. You know,

1694
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 5: when I was a boxer, I was fighting at one eighteen.

1695
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 5: My walkaround weight was one eighteen. You know, maybe a

1696
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 5: couple times I'd bounced up to one twenty two. But

1697
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 5: when I started at BKFC, they had the one twenty

1698
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 5: five division. I was like gobbling food, like you mean,

1699
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 5: everybody knows me knows the day of weigh ends, I'm

1700
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 5: sitting there eating bagels and Starbucks lattes like I don't

1701
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 5: have the experience of cutting weight, and I'm wasn't making

1702
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 5: an excuse. I knew what I was getting into with

1703
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 5: being a female and a lot of people saying, well,

1704
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 5: you got to get what you get, and I made

1705
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 5: a really great name for myself. But it was kind

1706
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 5: of like, you know, sometimes when you have people that

1707
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 5: are more skillful or bigger, sometimes you have to get

1708
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 5: dirty and outbrawl them because skill for skill, it's going

1709
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 5: to go pound for pound. And you know what I

1710
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 5: tell everybody, when you hit somebody with a five pound weight, yeah,

1711
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 5: there's a difference when you hit somebody with a twenty

1712
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 5: pound weight. So you know, we put that in perspective

1713
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 5: with these girls that have weight on them. So you know,

1714
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 5: I got to get in there and do do the

1715
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 5: damage or out box, and that was kind of what

1716
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 5: I was hearing from everybody else. I don't think they

1717
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 5: really liked that brawler aspect of me, even though you know,

1718
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 5: now it looks like I've done you know, I am technical.

1719
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 5: I feel like my boxing is beautiful now now people

1720
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 5: are kind of like, whoa wait a minute, you know,

1721
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 5: Britain can't brawl, and I'm like, do we not, Like,

1722
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 5: come on, guys, you know, do we not remember the

1723
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 5: earlier Briton.

1724
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 2: Levels like yeah, watch the.

1725
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 3: You know, look that's not that's that's an interview that's

1726
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 3: not going to get a lot of clicks, but something

1727
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: her and I talked about. And then I think she's

1728
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 3: she's fun personality and really a fun fighter, and I

1729
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 3: think she's been a big part of that division as

1730
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 3: a whole. When she was with one twenty five, which

1731
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: you know had PVZ coming in, had Rachel Ostovich, had

1732
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 3: you know, sort of this crossover thing going on. They

1733
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: also have you know, these pro wrestling style builds to

1734
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 3: these fights that feel like cat fights. Luke, she's kind

1735
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 3: of become the face of the operation, and she felt

1736
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 3: she was insulted when I think somebody asked was it

1737
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 3: Dave feldmeror somebody high up who they thought the mount

1738
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 3: Rushmore was of BKFC, which you know, you can ask

1739
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 3: yourself if that's like being prom queen of my high school, Luke.

1740
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 3: But still, you know they didn't see her on there.

1741
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, like I kind of look at

1742
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: the undercards to see if she's on there, because she

1743
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 3: brings a certain level that I think that I hope

1744
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 3: they value her in that regard. I'm sure you don't

1745
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 3: care either way, Luke, but I definitely.

1746
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: Like the wrestle of the audience. I definitely don't, okay.

1747
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: See Also, I think this is going to be the

1748
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: same day, March twenty fourth. I don't have a lot

1749
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: to say about it because I just haven't prepped around it.

1750
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: One Fight Night eight super Like versus Rattek super Like,

1751
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: one of the best kickbox was in the world taking

1752
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: on ra Tang. We always know his reputation precedes him.

1753
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: This will be a kickboxing, not an MMA contest. Some

1754
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: UFC vets on this card say, say he ham is

1755
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: on this card, it's an MMA bout. There's a few

1756
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 1: other names. BC. Also Tammy Mussamechi is in this card

1757
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: as a grappling fight. Remember she's a world champion, but

1758
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: she had her arm broken across her back in an

1759
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: arm bar by Michelle Nicolini, so she has been through

1760
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: it certainly as well. Any any hot takes on One

1761
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: Fight Night eight.

1762
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 2: Not a single one, Luke.

1763
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fair enough, all right. BC. On Saturday from Fresno, California,

1764
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: Jose Ramirez takes on Richard Comey. That's a decent contest.

1765
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: And then someone I know you've had your eye for

1766
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: a little bit ciniesa Estrada taken on Tina ruper act.

1767
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say her last name BC. Yeah,

1768
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: any thoughts on Ramirez versus there's.

1769
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: A decent card here.

1770
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 3: We know Ramirez packs the house there in Fresno and

1771
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 3: he's you know, a pillar in the community. But you

1772
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 3: know that he's taken some extended time off Luke and

1773
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: turned down title fights with Ruguru, and you know, we

1774
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 3: haven't seen him in a real big one of course

1775
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 3: since that on disputed loss to Josh Taylor, although I

1776
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 3: think he rebounded with a decent win there. But this

1777
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 3: is tough out against Comy, and it'll be an update

1778
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 3: on exactly where Jose Ramrez is right now. Luke, when

1779
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 3: he's at his best, Dude, he's tough man because he's

1780
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 3: a active fighter, throws a lot of punches, but but

1781
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: doesn't have big power, and it's very technical and you know,

1782
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 3: sort of like we said, like a technical, calculated brawler.

1783
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 3: Whether he stays at forty moves up to forty seven,

1784
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 3: he's going to be in big fights. It's this would

1785
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 3: be a nice sort of reset of where he's at

1786
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 3: because come's kind of become the perennial tough out here

1787
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 3: in this in this area of this weight division, but

1788
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: you know, he brings it.

1789
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: Snisa Estrada is interesting.

1790
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 3: I thought it was a great signing by Top Rank,

1791
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 3: and you know, she had to weight out the rest

1792
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 3: of her Golden Boy contract and they couldn't get her

1793
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 3: the fight she wanted and they kind of just parted ways.

1794
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 3: But you know, I think she's a champion at one

1795
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 3: OW eight and she's easily, you know, from a pompfer

1796
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: pound level top three in this world, and that's saying

1797
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 3: a lot.

1798
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: But super Bad can fight.

1799
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 3: She can hockey out too, but she's you know, she's

1800
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 3: got the style and look, I think she's engaged to

1801
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 3: uh de Zones Chris Mannix too, So congratulations to the

1802
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 3: happy couple in that regard. But seriously, I called the

1803
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 3: fight with the Strata back on that NBC series I

1804
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 3: used to do, and uh, I think she does have

1805
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 3: a bright future as well on that side of things.

1806
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 2: Smart fighter. She's worth checking out there as.

1807
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 3: She continues to try to add belts and uh and

1808
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 3: make the biggest fight she can.

1809
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: That's all I got to say about boxing though.

1810
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: This weekend. I don't know any there's little bit more

1811
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: any thoughts on in England, Lawrence o'koley taking on David Light.

1812
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I care, I care. I mean, look,

1813
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: well I'm waiting for Lawrence.

1814
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 3: I always forget if it's Oka Ley or a Kohli

1815
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,480
Speaker 3: Ocalley Docalle. Lucas Raife used to say, but uh he's cruiserweight,

1816
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 3: he's got he's got potential here.

1817
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, I didn't.

1818
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 3: I don't know a ton about the what's that stake

1819
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 3: in this part particular matchup? But I'll be you know,

1820
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 3: you can get you can. I handed in my hardcore

1821
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: card there for a second look, but uh, you know

1822
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: it is what it is, all right?

1823
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, let's get to the topic number four BC.

1824
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: We do have now some some idea about where Hamzat

1825
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,879
Speaker 1: is headed next. We didn't know is it gonna be welterweight?

1826
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: Was it gonna be middleweight? He missed the weight cut

1827
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: real badly, still ended up beating the shit out of

1828
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: big mouth what's his name, Kevin Holland. Kevin Holland gave

1829
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: him the old business. But we were like, okay, is

1830
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: this where's his future at in the weight class. Well,

1831
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: it turns out, according to Dana White, UFC president, his

1832
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: future will be at middleweight. He said to reporters at

1833
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: UFC two eighty six, quote, Yeah, he'll fight at middleweight.

1834
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: He's in a position where he should be fighting the

1835
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: top three guys in the world. Now, of course it

1836
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: currently stands as number one ranked contender. Is is he too?

1837
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: Whittaker three, the Tory four, Kennonear five, Paulo Costa and

1838
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: of course Izzy and Peta are gonna be fighting at

1839
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: UFC two eighty seven BC. Do you like a middleweight

1840
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: push for Hamsa Chremaiev?

1841
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't dislike it because Hamsa Chamaiev still

1842
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 3: even with the weight miss situation, and as you mentioned,

1843
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 3: dude he mopped up on Holland right after, is one

1844
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 3: of the most exciting fighters in this entire game, and

1845
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 3: one's still one of the you know, most most sexy

1846
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: unanswered questions of how how the freak good is this guy?

1847
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 2: Is he literally ready to take over?

1848
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,759
Speaker 3: Is he you know, you know, a trash talking habib

1849
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 3: in some ways, right if that, if that comparison makes

1850
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 3: any sense, But I love I would have loved to

1851
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 3: see what he could have done at.

1852
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: The highest level of blter.

1853
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 3: Wait, I know there's the potential of the weight cutting there,

1854
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 3: and you know, look, people are trying to say, like

1855
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: he can't that maybe he can't fight in the States.

1856
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 3: I don't have proof again on that, but that seems

1857
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 3: to be a Twitter rumor that people try to throw

1858
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 3: around a lot for visa issues. But if he has

1859
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 3: to go to middleweight, there's no shortage of huge names.

1860
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: It's gonna be very interesting to find out exactly where

1861
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 3: he fits in on that level.

1862
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 2: And I like that data is basically saying.

1863
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 3: Look, we're gonna have to push him in against big fights,

1864
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 3: like it's gonna be big fights from here on out.

1865
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: But how much do you think the level.

1866
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 3: Of domination that he showed in that run at welter atweight,

1867
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 3: which included the one at middleway too when he moved

1868
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 3: up and did the same thing. But does that alter

1869
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: his game, his strategy, his effectiveness, his long term potential

1870
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 3: at dominating. I mean, I think he's the type of

1871
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 3: overall skilled fighter that he could do it in either

1872
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 3: weight classes. But there was something really interesting about the

1873
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 3: walterweight tank rolling in there and taking people out.

1874
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing. It's like, I saw the wrestling

1875
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,480
Speaker 1: match like everyone else did that he had with Jack Hermanson,

1876
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: and he was still very much in that. You could

1877
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: probably argue he wanted all those and exhibitions or whatever,

1878
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: but you know, he seemed to be holding his own

1879
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: and then some. So it's not like I don't think

1880
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: he can win at middleweight, but I just I'm like you,

1881
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: I just remain unconvinced that this is the best place

1882
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: for him. Now. If he ends up winning a title,

1883
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, egg on our face obviously, if he stays

1884
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: at middleweight, a potential showdown with bow Nickel seems like

1885
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 1: it could be a lot of good fun. And listen,

1886
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: it has been a while since middleweight has had a

1887
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: dominant wrestler kind of come through and challenge everyone in

1888
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: that way again, right, Like, if you just look at

1889
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: that we just mentioned all these guys. You know, Robert

1890
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: Whitaker has very good defensive wrestling, but he's not much

1891
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,839
Speaker 1: of an offensive wrestler in that way, and then Vittori

1892
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: and Cannon Hear and everyone else, like there's not really

1893
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: a hard nosed, in your face wrestle grappler habib type. Well,

1894
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: it'd be great to have one of those at one

1895
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five pounds to see what we can do.

1896
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: So I I basically share your opinion, which is I'm

1897
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: excited to see it. I suppose definitely, but I until

1898
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: we can actually get a sense of like what he

1899
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: looks like against really good people in this weight class.

1900
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: Because remember he's fought and defeated really good guys at

1901
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: walter Rade. He has not defeated really good guys at

1902
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: one eighty five. It's just a big question mark of

1903
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: like is this truly optimal? But if he can't cut

1904
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: the weight, you know, this is why those fifteen pound

1905
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: jumps are a huge problem. True, but do you.

1906
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 3: Still feel like there's largely no closure on like what

1907
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,520
Speaker 3: really happened? And I'm not saying lean into the conspiracy,

1908
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 3: but like something's weird there still.

1909
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: Well, didn't his coach say, and again I'm not trying

1910
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 1: to dredge up old shit, but didn't his coach say

1911
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: that because he had the really bad bout with COVID

1912
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: where he was tweeting offfing up blood and shit, that

1913
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: he just thinks that whatever happened to him, he just

1914
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: can't get the weight back down again. I don't know

1915
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: if that's true. I have no fucking idea, but if

1916
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: it is true, like if what the coach is saying,

1917
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: if that's real, it's an unsatisfying conclusion to his walter

1918
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: weight campaign. But it made sure be the one that

1919
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: we get, you know.

1920
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: And I don't bring that up to necessarily lean to

1921
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 3: the idea of like the conspiracy and did they want

1922
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 3: to keep Nate happy? Because they kind of we found

1923
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 3: out they offered Connor the Nate Trilogy for his comeback fight.

1924
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 3: It turned into Chandler. But like, you know, you could

1925
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 3: go to the conspiracy. I'm going more on was that

1926
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 3: a red flag moment? Look, he still fought and he

1927
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 3: still dominated Holland, But how much of missing weight that badly?

1928
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 3: Was some level of reaction to the overwhelming amount of

1929
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 3: pressure of not only being in your first pay per

1930
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: view main event, but being a monster favorite against a

1931
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 3: legend that everybody loved, and people talking about the fight

1932
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 3: shouldn't be happening, and these expectations that you know, if

1933
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 3: he doesn't whip up on him, then then he loses,

1934
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 3: then he fails, you know, Also the potential of expectations

1935
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 3: of you know, I mean, I know what we say

1936
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 3: about Ramson kadirov Luke, and there are reasons why he

1937
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 3: should probably say more and reasons why should call back

1938
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 3: Kamorrow usman and be like answer for this. But there's

1939
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure, it seems on Jamaya to live

1940
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 3: up to everything when you consider that he tried to

1941
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 3: retire after multiple bad COVID battles.

1942
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 2: Even if that was an.

1943
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 3: Emotional social media response, Kahderrof literally came out with like

1944
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 3: a press you know, almost like a press statement of

1945
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 3: like you're absolutely fine and you will continue to fight.

1946
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 3: And that's that, you know, like that's that there's something

1947
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 3: unanswered here, Luke, what no matter. Look, whether it's questions

1948
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 3: of his mental mindset or questions of you know, impropriety

1949
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, I don't know.

1950
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

1951
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 3: But there's like we're just gonna move forward like that

1952
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 3: didn't happen. I mean, I guess had he struggled against

1953
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland at all, it would be maybe a different story.

1954
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: Maybe the dominant win was enough.

1955
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 3: For people to go, oh, yeah, he's too big for

1956
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 3: Waltterway BC, get off of it, right.

1957
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 2: It's Middleway time, stop talking about it.

1958
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, so we'll see what happens there. BC topic

1959
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: number five quick hitters. So we are getting closer to

1960
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: a rematch date between Alexa Garrasso and Valentino Chevchenko, so

1961
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: Grasso said. To the MMA hour quote and talking about

1962
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: having an immediate rematch, she says, I actually hope so

1963
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: she asked for that, and I would love to fight

1964
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: her again. I know that she's super competitive. I know

1965
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: she's a perfectionist like me. So imagine a second fight,

1966
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: truly imagine. I'm wondering what she's going to do in

1967
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: the second fight, what she's going to try to do,

1968
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 1: knowing the first one, knowing what I did. Also, I

1969
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of things to do and improve and

1970
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: get better. It's going to be like a chess match,

1971
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: she continued. September sounds great, September sounds amazing. But let's see,

1972
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: of course, before the end of this year. I'd like

1973
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: to fight two times, two fights every year sounds good.

1974
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: I truly hope that this can be in Mexico, BC

1975
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: September or whatever. I don't mind the rematch, that seems

1976
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: fine by me, but a Mexico rematch at elevation. I

1977
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: actually feel like Chevchenko should. I mean, it's ultimately UFC decision,

1978
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: but I feel like Schiefchenko should honor them. They should

1979
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: have it like they did for Leon, they had it

1980
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: back in England. They should have this one for Alexa

1981
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: back in Mexico. Do you agree or not?

1982
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1983
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 3: I think that does change the equation because we were

1984
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: sort of in a debate after that changing of the

1985
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,959
Speaker 3: guard of whether Schifchenko had done enough as the longtime

1986
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 3: dobbin it champion literally the most title defenses in UFC

1987
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 3: women's history to get the immediate rematch, or because it

1988
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 3: was so decisive and we have other people waiting in line,

1989
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 3: should we go in another direction When you add the

1990
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 3: element of going to Mexico when it's this red hot

1991
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 3: and the champions are sort of the young and vibrant

1992
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: and ready to take over. Yeah, that makes sense from

1993
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 3: a commercial standpoint. It makes sense from an entertainment standpoint

1994
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 3: of watching the storylines play out in front of you.

1995
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 3: It makes sense in the standpoint of Okay, Valentino has

1996
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: done enough to earn this, so we make it harder

1997
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 3: on her, and if you're the true champion, you're going

1998
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 3: to go into enemy territory and get it done that way.

1999
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 3: I kind of like all of that. But the more

2000
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 3: I think about this division as a whole, if you

2001
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 3: have to do the Shiftchanko rematch, then yes, do it

2002
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: that way. But wouldn't it be fun instead if if

2003
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: it was this, if it was Blanchefield and Grosso in

2004
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 3: the main event, and Chevchenko against Tyler Santos a remote

2005
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 3: a rematch in the in the you know, the Cole

2006
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 3: Maine or or okay, maybe you had somebody else, maybe

2007
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 3: had Yaie or Toping or whatever. There's different creations. It

2008
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have to be in Mexico. But those two

2009
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 3: fights next maybe that is the best answer. But you

2010
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 3: did sway me there, Luke, you talked me into it

2011
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 3: with them.

2012
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I'll just say this. I mean, if they're you know,

2013
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: we started the show talking about how we don't love

2014
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: immediate rematches. I don't love immediate rematches. I mean, you know,

2015
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: if they didn't do the Chevchenko fight, I'd honestly be

2016
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: okay with it. And to your point, they could give

2017
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 1: her Grosso versus men on fro. They could give her

2018
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: who knows, and they could also give Blanche to the

2019
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 1: title shot. They could have Blanchefield fight whoever there. You know,

2020
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways you could go. I'm

2021
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: just saying, if you go in there and you dethrone

2022
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: the long reigning champion, the only champion that way class

2023
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: up until this point, that the way class has ever seen,

2024
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: and you do it, there should be something to be

2025
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: said for like, Okay, home field advantage for the person

2026
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 1: who took the title. For yes, if you want it back,

2027
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: if you want it back, you got to go to

2028
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: that person's neck of the woods. I like that idea.

2029
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 1: I think that at least that part of it, it speaks.

2030
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: It speaks to me for sure. Mexico City I would

2031
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: love to go to in September, having a day over there.

2032
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: Whatever the thing alright, Yeah, my chairs falling apart. I'm

2033
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: trying to screw it back together.

2034
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 3: I don't want to be known as a guy who's

2035
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 3: always pushing for immediate rematches. I just think some of

2036
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 3: the recent circumstances you could argue, and a lot of

2037
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 3: them it did make sense.

2038
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 2: But don't get it to where it is in boxing,

2039
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 2: like you said.

2040
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 3: Where it's always seemingly a part of the negotiation for

2041
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 3: the more popular fighter, and then that always means you

2042
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 3: got to beat a guy twice to actually beat him.

2043
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 2: That sucks. Let's move it forward.

2044
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

2045
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 3: Do you think they would ever actually make the thing

2046
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 3: you talked about, which is, you know, an idea of

2047
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 3: two super prospects Bo Nickel against Hamza. Let's say they

2048
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 3: both you know, established themselves with the dominant win next

2049
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 3: in this division.

2050
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: I don't think that actually make that, do you.

2051
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: No? No, no, I think they'd have to have some

2052
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: kind of a more organic meeting down the road where

2053
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: it actually was like, that's the one that makes the

2054
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 1: most sense, not just forcing them together again Bo Nicol,

2055
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, obviously his future is extremely bright, but there's

2056
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: no need to rush it either. B See how about

2057
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: this one. Colby Covington threatens John Annick. He did an

2058
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: interview with Mike kek over at MMA Fighting and in

2059
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: the middle of it says a bunch of uh, you know,

2060
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: not the brightest things on earth, and then ads, you know,

2061
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want your kids to grow up without a dad.

2062
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: You know you live in Miami again, Frame it.

2063
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 3: Right, I mean I only cut you off to say this,

2064
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 3: not that I think that Kolbe's right here. But the

2065
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 3: reason why he got that angry and then ended up

2066
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 3: extending that rant to Annik was that he was calling

2067
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 3: the quote tweet from Bala Mohammad of when someone asked

2068
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 3: him why would Colby get next, and he says, because

2069
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 3: he's white.

2070
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: White.

2071
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 3: Then he then called a racist and he said anybody

2072
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 3: who supports that racist blah blah blah.

2073
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 2: And that's why it extended to Annik.

2074
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand why you can call that racist.

2075
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you can call that wrong, right, but Belall's

2076
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: argument again, you could say it's right or it's wrong.

2077
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: But Belall's argument is, how do I explain that this

2078
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: person got a title shot when they're when their merit

2079
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: for this claim is zero? And he's right, the merit

2080
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: for the claim is zero zero.

2081
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 2: We've bet up and Donna, it's pretty it's pretty close.

2082
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty close. But from the resume standpoint anyway, And

2083
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: he said, you know, this guy's white, like he's getting

2084
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: it because he is more favored by virtue of this.

2085
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Now you could say that that's wrong, but like he's

2086
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 1: not actually engaging in racism by saying that he's in

2087
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: his mind, in Blaw's mind he's pointing out racism, right,

2088
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: so to call him racist off that, you can say

2089
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: he's totally wrong, but it's not. There's nothing about it

2090
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: that's racist.

2091
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 3: Okay, But that was the rant, but that in hold On,

2092
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 3: that was the rant he gave to Mike Kek that

2093
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 3: led to that. But Looke, can you make the connection

2094
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 3: here to Annik? What did Annix say beyond Annix's twin

2095
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,759
Speaker 3: brother co hosting a podcast with Blah Muhammad on the Regular,

2096
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 3: which I guess you know by synergy, does that Does

2097
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 3: he just think that John Annex a hater because his

2098
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 3: brother does the podcast with her.

2099
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Or maybe there's something with that. He also kind of

2100
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:00,919
Speaker 1: indicated in the interview he did with Submission Radio that

2101
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: that you know, he's like, oh, I saw John at backstage.

2102
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: He was in the words he used were licking my balls,

2103
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 1: but you know, I guess they had interacted and that

2104
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 1: John was maybe nice to him. And then Colby is like, oh,

2105
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: he was nice to my face. And then he goes

2106
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: and backs Ballall for you know this, and and then

2107
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: when Ballall said what he said, it kind of all

2108
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: metastasized into some kind of right wing grievance. But neither

2109
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 1: here nor there. We have Blall's well, first of all,

2110
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: what do you make of Colby? Like, here's the thing.

2111
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, don't give him attention. It's like, well, dude,

2112
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: we try not to, at least not the part where

2113
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve, Like he has a ranked welterweight. On

2114
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: that level alone, he will get attention. But I think

2115
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: what they mean is for his antics, and I do

2116
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: mostly ignore his antics. But you know, at some point,

2117
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 1: like you know, people don't understand, like why is it

2118
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: wrong to do what he did? Well in the end,

2119
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: like I don't think he's gonna sanction him. But number one,

2120
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: like if you don't think when fighters do this kind

2121
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: of thing, or anyone very famous who's very very powerful

2122
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: and the Nima world does this, it ends up leading

2123
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: to the person who is the target of it getting

2124
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: harassed big time online getting harassed, getting harassed in real life.

2125
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: It actually ends up being a bit of a real thing.

2126
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: That's That's the first thing I would say. The second

2127
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: part of it is it's like, dude, on what level

2128
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 1: even if and by the way, people like, oh, he's

2129
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: not going to do it, Yeah, of course he's not

2130
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: going to do it. It's all a bunch of bullshit.

2131
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: But when you ratchet up the rhetoric like this, when

2132
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 1: you're allowed to say things like you know, I don't

2133
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: want your kids to grow up without a dad and

2134
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: you're threatening to murder someone, at some point it's like, okay,

2135
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: are we just going to allow people to say whatever

2136
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: the fuck? And that's like, oh, freedom of speech, right,

2137
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 1: But in the workplace, freedom of speech is whether or

2138
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 1: not the government can meaningfully prosecute you for what you say.

2139
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with it. This is a

2140
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: question of like, to what extent is it a reasonable

2141
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: course of action to engage in this behavior? And the

2142
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: answer is, of course it's not. And the fact that

2143
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: there can be spillover violence to the target intended it

2144
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: seems to me like, yeah, like you do want to

2145
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: intervene as the parent company here to minimize some of

2146
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: this particular kind of rhetoric.

2147
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I can't.

2148
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 3: Well, I mean a couple things. First of all, I can't.

2149
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 3: Again I read John Nick has a twin brother. Not

2150
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people know about it, Jason Annick, who

2151
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 3: does that podcast. You know, they're both they've both been

2152
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 3: they've both been day one in terms of gambling coverage

2153
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 3: and all of that on. I don't know if Colby's

2154
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 3: just misunderstanding there or thinks he's a company guy in

2155
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 3: the wrong direction in that regard Number two, it's hypocritical

2156
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 3: as shit right in the in the street code if

2157
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 3: you press charges against mos Vidal and and and now

2158
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 3: you're threatening here.

2159
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 2: But you know, Mikey gave a.

2160
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: Point and I sanm sued ver Doom for throwing a

2161
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: boomerang at him.

2162
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So Mikey put out a comment here in

2163
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 3: our on our chat, you know, could you imagine an

2164
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 3: NFL player saying they're gonna kill Tony Romo because he

2165
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 3: doesn't like his commentary? And I saw a lot of

2166
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 3: people saying, like the comparison of what if this was,

2167
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 3: you know, another sport, it'd be much bigger news or

2168
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 3: be taken more seriously. But because it's cage fighting and

2169
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 3: combat sports, we just go, yeah, we expect it.

2170
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 2: But I counter that to some degree.

2171
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 3: Because hey, we didn't we just have like Shannon's sharp,

2172
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 3: like almost fighting John Moran and his dad, like Adam

2173
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 3: lie game, you know, and didn't we have in the

2174
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 3: past even a smith like threatening Kevin Durant on the

2175
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 3: air as they go back and forth. Now, in a

2176
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 3: lot of these cases, you know, with the Shannon Sharper

2177
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 3: here with Romo, I don't think we would look at

2178
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 3: this as closely if it was calling out an analyst

2179
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 3: who's an next fighter, Because let's say, you know, Paul

2180
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 3: Felder was critical of Colby's fighting game on the air

2181
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 3: and then afterwards you're like, yof you, man, I could

2182
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 3: take you, and then that escalates You're like, Okay, it's fighters.

2183
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 3: It's it's going to this level, this aggressively against you know,

2184
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 3: a media member and John Annick. Now, unless there's things

2185
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 3: I don't know about behind the scenes, it's like, isn't

2186
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 3: John Nnick's job to kind of kiss everyone's ass because

2187
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 3: he's the play by play announcer of the brand of

2188
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 3: the company, which is to be positive and to be

2189
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 3: a constant promotion for the game. So it just seems

2190
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: like the that's a that's an aggressive leap, dude, that's

2191
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 3: a really aggressive leap.

2192
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: And listen, that's one thing to talk about someone who

2193
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,919
Speaker 1: assigned a contract to fistfight you. That's one thing, right, Yeah,

2194
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: it's quite another to do this. Also, people like what

2195
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: you went on to the UFC to do dude, Frank

2196
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 1: Muir lost his commentary because he said he hoped rock

2197
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Lesner was the first death in the octagon. They took

2198
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 1: that from him. They took that from him. That was

2199
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: a different climate, at a different time when they were

2200
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 1: much more like concerned about their public image. But at

2201
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: the same time, it's like, dude, there need to be

2202
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: some professional limits on not who is off limits. I

2203
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 1: don't think anyone is off limits. That seems a little

2204
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: bit much. But if they're the announcer or the commentator

2205
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 1: for the brand, keeping upon them this kind of vitriol

2206
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 1: which is utterly undeserved, which could lead to real world

2207
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: and otherwise forms of harassment and intimidation, it's fucking bullshit.

2208
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: It's bullshit. And to sit there and just be like,

2209
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 1: well this, you know your guys are giving into it.

2210
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: He's looking for this, man. I gotta tell you. This

2211
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 1: is the reason why when I asked, like, yes, is

2212
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 1: he more popular than Balah Mohammed. Sure, he is more

2213
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: popular than Blah Mohammad. I understand that. I accept that,

2214
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: but he's not crazy popular. And the reason why I

2215
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 1: say that is is shit like this, This is not

2216
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 1: the way you generate an audience other than like a

2217
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: very very minor portion of maladjusted weirdos. Anyway, the way

2218
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 1: you generate an audience is like you have to be Yes,

2219
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 1: you can be a guy that no one wants to see,

2220
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: but at the same time, there has to be a

2221
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: little bit of entertainment value in it. There has to

2222
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: be some kind of razzle dazzle. This is just think.

2223
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: This is just anger or whatever it is stick stick

2224
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: disguised as anger or vice versa, designed to not really

2225
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: appeal to any new audience. It's just a circle jerk

2226
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: of people who are already in on it, which is

2227
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: a minimal amount of people.

2228
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 3: Well, it shows the lack of his to be fair,

2229
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 3: whether this doesn't matter or not, it shows the lack

2230
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 3: of his creative evolution by playing this, you know, aggressive

2231
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 3: character that he's not necessarily as like this pro wrestling villain.

2232
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 1: You know.

2233
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 3: It's like, I know, Dan Lambert was the genius behind

2234
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 3: that originally, but Colby Stick has not evolved or gone

2235
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 3: to any fun or cool levels. Luke, It's kind of

2236
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 3: just lame, and that's maybe why we ended up here.

2237
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 2: In this end.

2238
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 3: But I do disagree when you when you say he's

2239
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 3: not a big star or even close to a cross SilverStar.

2240
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 2: But I don't even think that's actually I think he is. Well,

2241
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 2: I don't think here's what I'm saying.

2242
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 3: I don't think that's actually the question here, because that's

2243
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 3: not the role he plays. The role he plays is

2244
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 3: as the chief agitator, which is more about what can

2245
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 3: his when you plug him into a situation. Can it

2246
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 3: make that a big thing? I think it does, Luke.

2247
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 3: I think for crossover fans that want to you know

2248
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 3: that by two UFC pay per views a year, he's

2249
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,839
Speaker 3: the perfect foil, which is why he's in the spot

2250
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,600
Speaker 3: to make you care about a Kamara Usman or or

2251
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 3: someone else when you might not at a certain high level.

2252
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there must be an audience for it. But

2253
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't He has an odd dude.

2254
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 3: He's like, you can't act like he's not like, I

2255
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 3: don't know, it's it's I don't know, rehash Monday's argument.

2256
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 3: So there, there you go, Luke, that's that. But ultimately

2257
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 3: I think, look, it's weird. I don't like we have

2258
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 3: a response from do.

2259
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: You want to see the response from Belaw? I'll be

2260
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: in Miami in a couple of weeks keep that same energy.

2261
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: I hope the clown of dot Doc County, I think

2262
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:00,839
Speaker 1: he means h count.

2263
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Right day County. Yeah, I mean, could be making fun

2264
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 2: of it.

2265
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 3: But you know, when people say, look like like Mikey

2266
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 3: said in the idea of like, imagine this in another sport,

2267
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 3: I want to be frank with people. I love trash

2268
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 3: talk in combat sports. It's one of the big reasons that,

2269
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's one of the things that I absolutely

2270
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 3: love about it.

2271
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:16,639
Speaker 2: I love when it's real.

2272
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 3: I even love when it's you know, aggressively not aggressively

2273
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 3: made up, but enhanced to that regard. I don't when

2274
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 3: people say, what if this happened in other sports? I

2275
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 3: don't want that to change per se. Do I think

2276
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 3: that some of these things that happen at the highest level,

2277
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 3: often involving like Dana White in reaction to the things

2278
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 3: that pisses me off that the combat sports hasn't evolved

2279
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 3: to the level where they take certain things. They should

2280
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 3: be taking things much more seriously. But I don't want

2281
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 3: to clean it up, like I want people to say,

2282
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 3: to be able to have the ability to say really

2283
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 3: really abhorrent things to each other because this is a

2284
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 3: fight at the end of the day and the fight game.

2285
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 2: To me, it is what it is.

2286
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 3: You can only put so much lipstick on that hold on.

2287
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm getting to a point you can only put so

2288
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 3: much lipstick on the on that pig. It is what

2289
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 3: it is, and I'm I don't want to change that.

2290
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 3: But I think I found out specifically on the build

2291
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 3: to Connor Habib, that there were extreme limits to that

2292
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 3: that I do think you have to draw that line.

2293
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 3: And I felt when Connor was saying specific things about

2294
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 3: Habib's wife, mixed with the culture and religion, you're going

2295
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 3: to levels that that UFC two twenty nine post fight

2296
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 3: brawl could have been something way, way worse because of that.

2297
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 3: So I do think there's limits here calling out a

2298
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,600
Speaker 3: broadcaster and telling him, you know, threatening that, you know

2299
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 3: that I'll.

2300
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 2: Kill you, and I know where you live and I

2301
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 2: live near you.

2302
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 3: I also agree that's in that category, Luke, And it's

2303
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,640
Speaker 3: a thin line.

2304
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 2: But when you go over it, you.

2305
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 3: Know it, you know you it, And this feels like

2306
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 3: in both cases they did.

2307
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 1: It's such chicken shit to threaten a guy who doesn't fight.

2308
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 1: It's so chicken shit. And I want to point out

2309
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: something too, like, here's a reason why EMMA media are

2310
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 1: constantly cowed a little bit. It's because they don't want

2311
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 1: to end up on the other end of one of

2312
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: these because if you end up on the other end

2313
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: of one of these, or fighter completely blast you, which

2314
01:41:57,920 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: by the way, they have the right to do. I

2315
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: certainly understand that. Again, I've said they don't owe us anything,

2316
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: but you definitely owe me not to have people knocking

2317
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: at my door and threatening me, Like I definitely, I

2318
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 1: definitely am owed that, or anyone is really owed that.

2319
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: And what the point I'm trying to make here is

2320
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: if you want people to be honest in combat sports

2321
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: and do in combat sports, everyone is afraid of pissing

2322
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: off somebody else. And so there's constant eggshell walking and

2323
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: constant you know, people biting their tongue, and as a consequence,

2324
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: bad actors get to go and just do whatever the

2325
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: fuck they want because we have such a well it's

2326
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: this honor culture, fucking primitive bullshit that like if you

2327
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 1: say I'm a clown, well I've gotta go. I've gotta

2328
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 1: go and get my manhood back, just you know, just

2329
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:45,759
Speaker 1: fucking total total pre civilization, barbaric nonsense, nonsense. But if

2330
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: what ends up happening is when the people do shit

2331
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 1: like this, is it creates this culture of silence, It

2332
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: creates this culture. Well, I'm not gonna rock the boat.

2333
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: Everyone's great, and I'm just gonna keep on going. Dude,

2334
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: fuck that, fuck that. Like, you cannot be threatening physically people,

2335
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: even if you don't even mean it with just bullshit

2336
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 1: accusations for someone who's not even signed to fight you,

2337
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 1: who was doing a middle of the road job, if

2338
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: you have a criticism for it, and of course no

2339
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: one's perfect, fucking say so, that's fine, no big deal.

2340
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: But this, this, this, this willingness to I'm the free

2341
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: speech guy, then I'm gonna throw threats at you so

2342
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 1: I can tamp down speech. Utterly hypocritical, fucking bullshit, primitive

2343
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: to the nth degree. And it's not even entertaining. It's

2344
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 1: not even entertaining. So you know, I don't understand what

2345
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: the point is. I really don't. Oh, everyone wants they

2346
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 1: hate to see Colby. Yeah great, I could do it

2347
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 1: without him.

2348
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 3: At this point, are you saying you're not hoping that

2349
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 3: Colby upsets Leon Edwards?

2350
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 2: Not all upsets. He's the he's the early favorite.

2351
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 3: Colby beats Leon Edwards and then Connor knocks out Chandler

2352
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 3: and then we get Colby Connor at Jerry World.

2353
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 2: That's not the direction you're looking to us.

2354
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 1: It's not even I'm not even saying that to again,

2355
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 1: the if he got to fight, whether you agree or not,

2356
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: if he wins, he's the rightful winner. Uh. And if

2357
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: Connor wins and whatever. Like again, the fight game is

2358
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 1: so difficult. Whatever your personal feelings about this guy or

2359
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: that guy, if they win the fights, they are entitled

2360
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: to the rewards they're in and I accept that. So

2361
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be mad at Colby if he turns

2362
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: in a great performance and wins, gets the belt and

2363
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: then wants to leverage out for whatever. I mean. I

2364
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: may not love the counter fight, but you got to

2365
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: give it to people who get the job done, and

2366
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: I won't take that away from him or anybody else.

2367
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I am so sick of the

2368
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 1: tough guy bullshit in this sport where everyone pretends to

2369
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: be the super strong one, and yet at the littlest words,

2370
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: even a minor job that John Annick is doing he's getting,

2371
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: however fake. They are essentially death threats, and this is

2372
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: done and designed so that no one ever criticizes him,

2373
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: no one ever speaks out against him again or whatever.

2374
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 1: You have this constant need from powerful actors in this

2375
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:50,719
Speaker 1: space to silence their critics, to silence media, to silence

2376
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: everyone else, and everyone just goes along with it because

2377
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: everyone's afraid all the time. Everyone in this business is

2378
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 1: afraid all the time. And I'm just real, real tired

2379
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: of the arm twist thing of people who are not

2380
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 1: fighting in the arena. Not that should be fair.

2381
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 3: To be fair, though, there are reasons to be afraid

2382
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 3: covering the combat sports, Luke. I mean, this is a

2383
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,440
Speaker 3: crazy business with crazy, dangerous people that make crazy decisions,

2384
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 3: even in corporate.

2385
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the UFC should not. And I'm not saying that.

2386
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing in the back, how

2387
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 1: they view this. I mean, maybe they're calling him, maybe

2388
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:23,640
Speaker 1: they're not. I don't know. I don't know what the

2389
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: situation is. But as a general rule, I agree, like

2390
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 1: you know, we do take you have to have some

2391
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: discretion about what you say and how you say it.

2392
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: That's fine. A professional discretion, I think is in order.

2393
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: But you can't tell me that Anik didn't act with

2394
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 1: professional discretion, like like, what do you want from him?

2395
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: What do you want from him? And the UFC has

2396
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: a decision to make about their employees getting threatened, so.

2397
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 3: You know, also agree with yeah, but these are things

2398
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:50,719
Speaker 3: they typically don't address, Luke at all, or at least.

2399
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Not probably No, I don't expect them to. But there

2400
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: you go. Last, but not at least we see put

2401
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: it with BKFC Ben Rothwell is going to fight someone

2402
01:45:58,320 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 1: by the name of Josh Watson.

2403
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 2: He has tattoos on his head, Luke, Josh Watson has

2404
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 2: tats on.

2405
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 1: His Is that the one who knocked out Greg Hardy?

2406
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 2: I believe that was? Yes?

2407
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yep, that was tough. That dude was tough.

2408
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:11,879
Speaker 1: It could be interesting.

2409
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not saying I'm completely coming around on BKFC, Luke,

2410
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 3: but you know, sometimes they map out a good storyline

2411
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 3: in this territory and get you, get you excited, and

2412
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 3: then sometimes you see ridiculous KOs and you're like, oh,

2413
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 3: I want to see that guy from that ridiculous KO

2414
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 3: fight that guy. And then suddenly you're showing up on

2415
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 3: the fairgrounds in Florida and you're there.

2416
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:30,759
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Hey, you know who supports

2417
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 2: p KFC A lot. There's a lot of coverage.

2418
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 3: Mike Heck of mm A fighting, one of my one

2419
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 3: of my friends.

2420
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 2: I like them.

2421
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely great guy. Look, you want to do

2422
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 3: these fan subs now? You want to get the people?

2423
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 3: All right, Morning combat at gmail dot com. Mikey will

2424
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 3: be at the end of that rainbow and he'll he'll

2425
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 3: check out if your pot of gold is worthy to

2426
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:49,839
Speaker 3: show up on our fridge.

2427
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 2: This one's called fan submissions.

2428
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: You've got mail future.

2429
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like a lot of males again today.

2430
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 3: Nice nice side vape gig there.

2431
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 2: I like that. Is that a watermelon excursion for you? No?

2432
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I think this is my new one. This is strawberry mango.

2433
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:10,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, taste the rainbow.

2434
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: I like that.

2435
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 2: Look, here we go.

2436
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: This one. I quit for like a month and a

2437
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: half and I fell back in so I.

2438
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 3: Got it's got its hooks and you This is Phil

2439
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,639
Speaker 3: sliding and he says, hey, y'all, I'm a day one

2440
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 3: MK Donkin an LT fan for over ten years, but

2441
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 3: this is my first sub. Originally from Stockholm, I moved

2442
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 3: to LA in twenty ten, and somehow a girl stationed

2443
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 3: here landed me in Montgomery, Alabama, of all places, even

2444
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 3: old Marietta, Georgia is heaven compared to anywhere in Lower Alabama. Anyways,

2445
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,719
Speaker 3: she left me for another dude. But the silver lining

2446
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 3: is I can leave Alabama now. But jokes aside, y'all's

2447
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 3: podcast helped me through the darkest, loneliest times when all

2448
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 3: that was happening, So thank you. Out of the fun stuff, Look,

2449
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 3: please rate my tat. This is the beginning of a

2450
01:47:57,200 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 3: sleeve I'm working on. Sorry, my skin is a little

2451
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 3: I should have used the lotion before taking the pick.

2452
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 3: And as you all can see, I'm heavily addicted to

2453
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 3: the elf bars thanks to doctor Salt and pepper. I'm

2454
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 3: not joking. I was smoking them religiously before Luke started.

2455
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 3: But I need a T shirt with the vapings for

2456
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 3: Closers design asap.

2457
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 2: Yes, RJ, get on.

2458
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 3: That, get on that urge seriously, best regards, it's Phil Luke.

2459
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,759
Speaker 2: Can you speak to his larger life decisions before this tattoo?

2460
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 2: And then the actual ink here.

2461
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 1: You know it's a little faded because it's old, so

2462
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 1: I guess he's got like almost like a ninja turtle

2463
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: at the top right, and he's got venom closer to

2464
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: his hand. I you know, I don't hate it. I

2465
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: don't love it. I don't love it.

2466
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 3: Okay, here's what you're saying. You're saying technically from a

2467
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 3: technique standpoint, it's not bad, but you're saying stylistically and

2468
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 3: choice wise. I mean, look, it's a it's a divorce tat.

2469
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 3: I gotta give this a little little credence here.

2470
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the details, so here's the thing. Some

2471
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: of the details are pretty good, but it's a bit

2472
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 1: of a confused mix. Sure, it feels like to me,

2473
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:03,719
Speaker 1: like from an artistic theme. Yeah.

2474
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 3: Maybe there's going to be more additions to fall out,

2475
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:06,679
Speaker 3: fill out the sleeve.

2476
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see.

2477
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 3: But you know, first of all, he left Sweden for

2478
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 3: this for this girl, Luke, and she left him in Alabama.

2479
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 3: So he could have very easily grown out the ponytail,

2480
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 3: bought us, you know, bought a sports boughtox convertible, bought

2481
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:23,720
Speaker 3: a maz de Miata Luke. He could be going through

2482
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 3: that grievance right now, but instead he put the ink

2483
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 3: to the arm.

2484
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,839
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I would have put maybe Emily

2485
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 2: Whitmeyer in uh in Heboss. You know what I mean, Luke?

2486
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:33,679
Speaker 1: Just you know?

2487
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:36,240
Speaker 3: I mean, is there a bet large enough, Luke that

2488
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 3: I could recreate that I'd be willing to to recreate

2489
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 3: mister Hebos's tattoo on my forum and the same spot.

2490
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to make that bet because I don't

2491
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 1: want to do that to you.

2492
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I might just be willing anyway. I'm big

2493
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 3: women's MMA fan, Luke. Love the competitiveness in the history

2494
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 3: between them.

2495
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go over to k Speaking of ladies, Luke,

2496
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 2: you ready for this?

2497
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

2498
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 2: Hey, this is Kay again with my third fans ub.

2499
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 3: After the Colts game and my trip to Sydney, Australia,

2500
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 3: I rocked the black Bomber jacket, this time from my

2501
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 3: photo op with my favorite artist, Korean hip hop group

2502
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:12,759
Speaker 3: called Epic High at the Hammerstein Ballroom. Luke, it seems

2503
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 3: clear to me here that Kay is not a female,

2504
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 3: that it's that gentleman third from the left.

2505
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 1: Yes, that's him wearing the Moco jacket. There shots Tomoco

2506
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 1: my dead cat. But hey, does the girl in the

2507
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: front have enough pockets? I can't tell.

2508
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to know what she's carrying in there, Luke.

2509
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 1: But Ryan Garcia's pants on.

2510
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's with K or if she's

2511
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 3: a part of Epic High the group, Luke, they look

2512
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 3: epically high, though, I'm gonna be hear. Hey, Kay, we

2513
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:41,720
Speaker 3: appreciate you man, thank you for wearing our merch on

2514
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 3: those hot streets, rubbin elbows with potential celebrities there, Luke,

2515
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:45,640
Speaker 3: I like that.

2516
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go over to Saul, he says.

2517
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 3: The wife insisted we celebrate her people's holiday this weekend,

2518
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 3: Saint Patrick's Day. I got wasted on the most cliche

2519
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 3: drinks I could think of while repping the best MMA

2520
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 3: show period MK all day. My wife apologizes to Luke

2521
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 3: for being a woar. Let's watch the video from Saour.

2522
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 1: BC. You ever had an Irish car bomb?

2523
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 2: I have?

2524
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: I have? Yes, Yeah, I used to. I used to

2525
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:27,719
Speaker 1: join senior year in high high school, senior year in college.

2526
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 1: I drink those by the by the dozen.

2527
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:33,760
Speaker 3: Luke, Saoul no stranger to the show. I called him

2528
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,559
Speaker 3: Saul earlier. That's a different fellaw. Saul's like, you know,

2529
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 3: he's been wearing our ship in his pups, personal life

2530
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 3: a long time, Luke.

2531
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on his woman's wooing ability?

2532
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Better cow ol saoul that's the old bit.

2533
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 2: Oh there it is. Hey, let's go over to Tom.

2534
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 3: He's got a photo for us, no description though, it's got.

2535
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 1: Nothing asking fans to pay for the super chet asking business.

2536
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's sick. That's by the way. Cameos don't need

2537
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 1: an apostrophe there, just an s that's it. You don't

2538
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:07,959
Speaker 1: need there we go. There's no possession there, just himself.

2539
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 3: Look, my only pipes is going great, by the way.

2540
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 3: Cameo cameo dot com slash Brian Campbell, I made you.

2541
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 3: I did three the first day, Luke, So I've been

2542
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:20,719
Speaker 3: I've been doing them pretty steadily.

2543
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 1: What's your rate? How much? How much does it cost

2544
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: for a BC cameo?

2545
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,719
Speaker 3: It costs twenty five dollars for a BC cameo. People

2546
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 3: think I want to say something, Luke. People are coming

2547
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 3: at me and thinking I did this to to like

2548
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 3: do Reddit jokes on the regular and to take you know,

2549
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 3: PF changed humor to like the darkest, most disturbing pay

2550
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 3: for play like you know, just trashy way.

2551
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 2: No Luke.

2552
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 3: I I did this, Luke, because I love our fans,

2553
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 3: and uh, it's actually a lot of fun.

2554
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you'd like it, because

2555
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 2: that's the.

2556
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:52,520
Speaker 1: Real story here. It's not a profit motive or hypocrisy.

2557
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: It's really your generosity that's the true story here.

2558
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 3: Well, I don't I don't mean it from a Robin

2559
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 3: Hood sense in that regard, but I'm already meeting really

2560
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 3: cool people, Luke, who are very successful, like this guy

2561
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 3: Ben Duke's this amazing painter. They got this guy Anthony

2562
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 3: Weller on guitar. Look these you know, these are MK

2563
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 3: fans that are now becoming like part of our universe

2564
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 3: and our family. And that all they had to do

2565
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 3: was pay for it. Yeah, you're right, that's pretty hypocritical.

2566
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,760
Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to say ultimately here, though, Luke,

2567
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 3: is that, uh, is I love our people and that's

2568
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:19,719
Speaker 3: what this was all about.

2569
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

2570
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 3: And also, so I could buy more records than my

2571
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 3: wife won't kill me. But you know, you know that's

2572
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 3: not a bad deal.

2573
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of just move us along because I gotta go

2574
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: get my kid.

2575
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, Luke, since you're actually a

2576
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 3: great dad, you don't you know. Really, I only say

2577
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 3: the people that use the word kid are people that

2578
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 3: don't have children. But you call your own child a

2579
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 3: kid that you know where I come from, that's a

2580
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:38,919
Speaker 3: little disrespect.

2581
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I call her kid child ninya eha, the

2582
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:43,479
Speaker 1: whole bit, all right.

2583
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 2: You know, you wouldn't say, like, if it's your night

2584
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:46,240
Speaker 2: to watch her.

2585
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 3: You wouldn't be like, I have to babysit tonight that

2586
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 3: you know, because you don't, you know, babysit your own.

2587
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: No, I was, I'd have to watch the Tuchster, the Tukester.

2588
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:53,679
Speaker 2: She's the best.

2589
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 3: Hey, I got one more for you, and it's from

2590
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 3: a true a true player in this area. Alan w

2591
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 3: He says the show gun of Donkton and the Washed Samurai.

2592
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: Dude. I love how I've got vape smoke. He should

2593
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 1: have put a vape in my mouth. Oh everything else

2594
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,839
Speaker 1: is so good. Yeah, and look you got the Hanya

2595
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 1: mask there. I've come off the bottom part. BC. Yours

2596
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: is great. Mine's great too. I love the smoke in

2597
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: the form of a dragon. No more dongs, BC, I

2598
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:22,599
Speaker 1: can make smoke in the shape of a dragon.

2599
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:25,719
Speaker 2: That's pretty good stuff. Alan, Thank you very much. Dude,

2600
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 2: we're going.

2601
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:28,679
Speaker 3: That's Morning Coombat at gmail dot com if you want

2602
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 3: to join more.

2603
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 2: I see.

2604
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:31,600
Speaker 1: You know what I told my wife I wanted for

2605
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 1: my birthday, which is not till August. But because she's

2606
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 1: always like, I don't ever know what to get you,

2607
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: so I finally told her I asked her to get me.

2608
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: So if you saw this yesterday, Criterion Collection had a

2609
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 1: flash sale at twenty four hour fifty percent off sale,

2610
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: and I was trying to go look and see if

2611
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 1: there's any a Cura Coro Asylum movies I was gonna get,

2612
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 1: but they didn't have any the ones I actually wanted

2613
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 1: the collection for. But I asked my wife for a

2614
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 1: original nineteen eighty five poster for the movie Ron, which

2615
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 1: is Corosala's classic in Jai Japanese. That's the one that

2616
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 1: I want. Frame.

2617
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 2: Are you calling it rock? How do you spell that r?

2618
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: A n ri an? It's spelled rand but it's a Japanese.

2619
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still haven't seen that. I should probably watch it.

2620
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,840
Speaker 1: You know. It's King Lear in Japanese set in Showgun

2621
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 1: era Japan. It's fucking awesome.

2622
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, look tomorrow on YouTube dot com, slash Morning Combat

2623
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 3: will be my one hour deep dive on the history

2624
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 3: and ranking of the Rocky and Creed movies.

2625
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 2: Oh, Williams, when will you see Creed three?

2626
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 1: Luke?

2627
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:29,840
Speaker 2: I want to get your take on it.

2628
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 1: Once you do, probably that's a great question. So someone's

2629
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to watch the tuchstar. So not until some

2630
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 1: of my wife's family gets back in town.

2631
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 2: So not all right, you might just see it at

2632
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 2: your house at that point. I saw it.

2633
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 3: I'm I'm actually I'm a I'm a I'm a sucker

2634
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 3: for i MAT movies.

2635
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:50,680
Speaker 1: Don't tell me the ranking. Just tell me this two

2636
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: thumbs up, one thumb up, two thumbs down for Creed three.

2637
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 2: A low two thumbs up.

2638
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 1: Ooh okay, no no, no, no, no, I'll say it

2639
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 1: two thumbs up, like yeah, it's really it's really good.

2640
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 2: It's really good.

2641
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 3: But I was asking a lot of it, Luke. I

2642
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 3: mean you have to understand, like as I do in

2643
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 3: the video. If anyone that watches it tomorrow, that's cool.

2644
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 3: But you know, the Rocky Movies played like an you're

2645
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 3: my age. The Rocky Movies played an insane role in

2646
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 3: our lives, right, I mean it literally spawned because Rocky

2647
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 3: three was my entry point my love of pro wrestling

2648
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 3: because Hogan was in there the A team, because you know,

2649
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 3: mister t started that show directly after this movie, and

2650
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:35,560
Speaker 3: boxing and the Rocky movie culture in general. The last

2651
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 3: two weeks of showing my kids all nine movies, I mean,

2652
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 3: you know, as a dad, that's my dad did the

2653
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:42,560
Speaker 3: same thing to me. I got into Rocky three, He's like, oh,

2654
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 3: there's two others. We should sit down and watch him

2655
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 3: like ten times each. I mean, it's one of the greatest,

2656
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 3: you know, connections we've ever had, along with when Tyson

2657
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 3: got out of jail and my dad bought the illegal

2658
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 3: pay per view box and we watched every Tyson fight

2659
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 3: like it was the Super Bowl, Luke. And then those

2660
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 3: are the moments, right like when your dad called and

2661
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 3: got asked your opinion about that property in Vegas. That

2662
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 3: was a little ball. I'm sorry, but comedically fit in.

2663
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:06,000
Speaker 3: All right?

2664
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:08,560
Speaker 1: On that note, can we go now that we're done insulting.

2665
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 3: Is I wanted it to be the most magical experience

2666
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 3: of all time.

2667
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 2: It's a really good movie, Luke.

2668
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 3: It didn't inject my my sack dula like some of

2669
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 3: the other ones did.

2670
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough, but we'll get that tomorrow.

2671
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 1: So YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. As we remind you, folks,

2672
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 1: showtime dot Com is the label that pays Showtime dot

2673
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 1: Com get a thirty day free trial. If you'd like it,

2674
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 1: you can keep it. If not, you can bounce Showtime

2675
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 1: dot Com slash PPV if you want to watch David

2676
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 1: Benevitez take on Caleb Plant And as a reminder, BC

2677
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 1: and I will be in Vegas as of tonight tomorrow.

2678
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:43,120
Speaker 1: They'll be the presser. Friday is the wigh in, Saturday,

2679
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: the prelims plus the fight, plus here back at MK

2680
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 1: for the post fight show as well. We have a

2681
01:57:47,720 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 1: lot to get to BC. So I'm excited about it,

2682
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 1: my friend. I wish you good travels. I will see you,

2683
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 1: probably not tonight, but i'll probably see you tomorrow morning.

2684
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, it's gonna be a great week.

2685
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 3: I have big hopes for our gains Luke this weekend,

2686
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 3: and I'm here to tell you they're gonna be loyal.

2687
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna be loyal as shit, all right.

2688
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 3: So for Brian Campbell, the grant you had, by the way,

2689
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:13,360
Speaker 3: against this macho culture of any time someone says anything,

2690
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 3: then you gotta fight you. I mean, do you ever

2691
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 3: hear a little nog say a bad thing about me?

2692
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 1: No? But he also doesn't speak English, I don't think

2693
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 1: so that helps you a little bit, you know what

2694
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying? All right, b C got to remind everyone

2695
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: everything we just said. So thanks to Brian Campbell, of course,

2696
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 1: the steady Partner, thanks to Malka, thanks to CBA Sports

2697
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:33,560
Speaker 1: Mikey who has been on the Ones and Tuesday doing

2698
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 1: a phenomenal job, and of course Showtime. We've given you

2699
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:39,320
Speaker 1: all the promos for that. Do we have the thing

2700
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 1: to vote for us? We got to get that here

2701
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 1: on the shows that Mikey runs. Yes, there it is.

2702
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: Vote for Morning Combat for the best sports podcast www

2703
01:58:46,760 --> 01:58:49,560
Speaker 1: dot sports Podcastgroup dot com. Vote for us now. You

2704
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 1: can use the QR code on the screen, or you

2705
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:54,280
Speaker 1: can just go to Sportspodcastgroup dot com and vote for

2706
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 1: old MK.

2707
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 3: Look lame, am I lame that I want to see

2708
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 3: seventy one year old John Cougar Mellencamp really bad and

2709
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 3: I still call him Cougar by the way in Vegas

2710
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 3: on Friday. But equally lame that I'm not willing to

2711
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 3: pay two hundreds. I'm cheap, so I'm just like, forget it.

2712
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make you lame?

2713
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:14,120
Speaker 2: Yes, which side is more lame? Probably probably knowing.

2714
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 1: I know what you make and so you not springing

2715
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 1: for that seems silly, but okay, neither here.

2716
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite? Do you have a favorite

2717
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: song of his?

2718
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 1: Fuck me b seek? Please? I love you so much,

2719
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 1: But we gotta go. We gotta go. We really have

2720
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:29,920
Speaker 1: to go. You have to go, all right, So for

2721
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:34,240
Speaker 1: everyone involved, CBS Sports, Mikey, Showtime, the whole crew, Malka,

2722
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,560
Speaker 1: everything else, thank you guys so much for watching. Check

2723
01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:39,800
Speaker 1: out BC stuff tomorrow back on Friday, of course Thursday

2724
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 1: as well for the Benavidez Versus Plant presser, I'm Luke

2725
01:59:43,480 --> 01:59:46,320
Speaker 1: Thomas and until next time, may all of your gains

2726
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:47,120
Speaker 1: be loyal