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Speaker 1: When you see those birds, you know it's time for

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Speaker 1: another edition of Cardinal Territory. Jim Hay is alongside Lance

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Speaker 1: this edition, but kinle of, if you don't mind, Lance

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Speaker 1: had a problem traveling, and I'd like to get the

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Speaker 1: And because I care not just about the show, what

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Speaker 1: about you two and met holidays individuals. I would like

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Speaker 1: to hear Lance's story.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, it's a lovely, beautiful New York snow day.

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Speaker 2: You know, you wake up on Sunday morning, You're like, man,

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Speaker 2: we've got an early flight. We had a beautiful you know,

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Speaker 2: we got to see the rockets. Mama Mia, the kids

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Speaker 2: loved it, Wife loved it. Everybody's happy. Snowing. It's it's

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Speaker 2: snowing so bad. Kyle, you can't even see City Field

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Speaker 2: and they just kept pushing it back. I saw, I

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Speaker 2: saw Jeff Mathis of all people in the airport with

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Speaker 3: They did the same. Yeah, it was you know, it

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Speaker 3: was just like a little reunion in the airport, you know.

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Speaker 2: But you know we were sloming it in the sky club,

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Speaker 4: So you know, so so buts I got to go

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Speaker 3: Got it naturally. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, if you want to see former teammates in

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Speaker 2: or in New York Airport LaGuardia, it's going to be

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Speaker 3: Not going to see it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so just a good old fashioned sky club day,

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Speaker 3: So part of the gig this time of year in

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Speaker 1: Sky club membership.

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Speaker 4: No, no, Jim, I think Lan's going to have answered

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Speaker 4: that right off the rip. We don't have that c Hey,

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Speaker 4: I'm in Clear, Jim is going to be in clear.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's we're in three different three different areas there.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. Well, the Cardinals did make a move.

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Speaker 1: They signed Dustin May to a one year free agent contract.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight year old right hander seven and eleven last

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Speaker 1: And either way, it's a one year deal, which is

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Speaker 3: He had to go through some ups and downs last year.

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Speaker 1: Give us the name Lance.

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Speaker 1: Intriguing stuff, you know. The name Brendan Donovan has drawn

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Speaker 2: I hear a reset, right, You hear the reset saying

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Speaker 2: Does he fit in San fran Yes, he fits anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Hey, here's five year deal. You're our guy, and it's

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Speaker 1: do that deep a dive. I just found that interesting.

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Speaker 1: But Lance, there is something to be said for if

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Speaker 1: you're doing a reset right, and as him has pointed out,

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Speaker 1: they want to be competitive and look towards the present.

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Speaker 1: Give the fans some to be excited about. But the

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Speaker 1: best way to do that, because the biggest currency in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball is a controllable talent, is stockpiling controllable

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Speaker 1: talent and building from there. You understand that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand what the concept is. But isn't that

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Speaker 2: what we've been doing since the trade deadline last year?

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Speaker 2: How many high AAA guys do we need to get

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Speaker 2: to stockpile the farm system now? I need to see

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Speaker 2: something that we're getting back ready for big league players,

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Speaker 2: especially for guys who are not on expiring contracts or

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Speaker 2: not over the age of thirty. Then you're looking at hey, okay,

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Speaker 2: you should be able to get multiple big league ready

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Speaker 2: players that should be on your opening A roster next year.

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Speaker 3: For a guy like Donovan, a.

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Speaker 2: Guy like new those guys should be big league ready

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Speaker 2: players that should impact your team next year for losing

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Speaker 2: a guy like that.

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Speaker 3: That's my opinion. I understand the.

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Speaker 2: Prospects, but we got four low A guys in the

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Speaker 2: last two trades that we might not ever see, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's time to start getting guys that we know

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Speaker 2: kind of who they are instead of oh, well he

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Speaker 2: could be this, he could be that. Well, it's like, no,

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Speaker 2: you're getting rid of a All Star. You're getting rid

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Speaker 2: of you know, a you know floor in New that

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Speaker 2: is a very good or a good major league player

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Speaker 2: could be a Printingal All Star of health and some

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Speaker 2: things go better his way, and then next thing you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: I want to see what I'm getting back now, because

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Speaker 2: that's if they're in double A or if they're in

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Speaker 2: triple A, you know what you're getting. If they got

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Speaker 2: a cup of coffee, you got a good idea, you've

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Speaker 2: got a book on them. But these high A guys

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that, you have no idea what they're

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Speaker 2: going to be. And I think it's risky as much

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Speaker 2: as it's oh, you need all these prospects, it's very.

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Speaker 3: Risky to get a bunch of loway hey guys.

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Speaker 2: Because you really don't know who how they're even going

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Speaker 2: to mature enough to even handle, you know, being a

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Speaker 2: major leaguer, because you don't even know what they're what

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Speaker 2: they're like mentally.

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Speaker 1: Yet quite well taken, one of the little news tidbits

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Speaker 1: could tell Marte has a no trade, but he has

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Speaker 1: some teams he's willing to accept the trade. The Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are on that list. Wilson Contreras has a no trade.

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Speaker 1: Supposedly he's willing to discuss possible trade locations. We've already

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Speaker 1: done that. So I'm gonna ask you, guys, you're a

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Speaker 1: major leaguer, Kyle with a no trade, what do you

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Speaker 1: think some of the things you're looking at in terms

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Speaker 1: of what would be a good landing spot for me

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Speaker 1: and my family.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you're looking, if you're looking family wise,

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Speaker 4: then you know you're calling around, talking to people that

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Speaker 4: you know around the league and seeing and you know

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Speaker 4: that's somewhere you want to live seeing if it's you know,

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Speaker 4: probably not asking about the family and probably not asking

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Speaker 4: about stuff off the field as much for that, but

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Speaker 4: you're trying to look at it a little bit as

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Speaker 4: a free agent saying, Okay, what part of the country

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Speaker 4: don't don't I want to go to? What type of

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Speaker 4: what type of market do I not want to go to?

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Speaker 4: Hitting wise, if you're a hitter, what kind of field

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Speaker 4: do you not want to play on?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to play on? Maybe he's looking at

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Speaker 4: opportunity to play, doesn't want to switch positions. I think

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Speaker 4: there's probably a lot that goes into that.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Lance, And this is our last thing, Lance,

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Speaker 1: Lynn has a note trade, but they want to trade them.

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Speaker 1: What are you looking at?

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Speaker 3: Lance?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have I have fortunately lifted a no trade

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Speaker 2: in my in my in my day. So you look

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Speaker 2: at a lot of different variables. It starts with putting

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Speaker 2: the list together, right, My note trade was full of

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Speaker 2: teams that I thought would trade for me, so I

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Speaker 2: can control things, maybe even in new contract. Like there

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Speaker 2: was more said than that I didn't put teams there

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Speaker 2: on there were bad because I didn't plan on pitching,

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Speaker 2: and bad enough to where I would get traded to

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Speaker 2: those teams. And I was making too much money for

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Speaker 2: those teams to even take me. So my thought was,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm we'll put all the teams on there

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Speaker 2: that I know that we'll be looking to add a

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Speaker 2: veteran starter and aren't afraid of the money, and then

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Speaker 2: I can control the market on where I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go and what I can do. And that was my

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Speaker 2: mindset and the no trade, and then I lifted it

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Speaker 2: to LA. There's I would say most every team on

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Speaker 2: my no trade a year I left Chicago I would

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Speaker 2: have went to. So it was one of those things

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Speaker 2: where I had a ten team no trade, but I

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Speaker 2: picked at ten teams that I thought were going to

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Speaker 2: be in the playoffs so I can control where I

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Speaker 2: was going to go.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't worried about the pirates.

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Speaker 2: I was not playing, and everyone's like, oh, what if

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Speaker 2: you would have got traded somewhere you didn't want to

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Speaker 2: go that wasn't in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: It was simple. Kyle's heard this before. I'll just take

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Speaker 3: my ass home if I don't want to go there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about.

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Speaker 2: You always have a no trade jam if you don't

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Speaker 2: give a damn what people think.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, that is awesome. That's gonna do it for this.

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Speaker 3: I was there. I was there when I pulled.

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Speaker 2: I had a no trade in Texas without a no trade, So.

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Speaker 1: You don't need a no trade to have a no trade.

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Speaker 4: Will never I will never forget those conversations like, well,

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Speaker 4: what if you go here? He's like, I'm not going there.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean you don't have a no trade?

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Speaker 4: I've got a no trade.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna what Yeah, And I use that. I use

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Speaker 3: that no trade with no trade in Texas is great.

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Speaker 1: Well, you also got to be sitting on a nice

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Speaker 1: bag as the kids saying, oh you like that, Kyle, uh, because.

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Speaker 3: One in the show, one bag, We'll get you.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: for this episode. We'll see you next time. Hopefully that

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Speaker 1: episode won't suck.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmmmm mmm mmmmm mm hmmmmmmmm