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Speaker 1: dot Com. Where were going on the Giants part of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Giants Huddle podcast. I am John Schmilk. Giants getting ready

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Speaker 1: to take on the Chicago Bears, and the man on

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Speaker 1: the call for Fox at one o'clock on Sunday is

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Speaker 1: Darryl moose Johnston. Giant fans unfortunately remember him as a

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Speaker 1: former Dallas Cowboy, but now he's with Fox and moves.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel old. You're asking you this question. How

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Speaker 1: many years have you been doing games for Fox? Now? Oh?

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Speaker 1: My GOSHO wow, yeah, well we both yeah, we're both old. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So you did the Giant Panther game in week two,

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Speaker 1: I know you watched the Monday night game. Give me

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Speaker 1: your twenty thousand foot view Here of the Giants as

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Speaker 1: they head into week four two and one, tied with

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Speaker 1: But I think both teams with new head coaches, and

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Speaker 1: Um as Ezel Gelry Cavon Thibodeau, you know, not there

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Speaker 1: to win every week during this first year under Brian Table. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how do you see them functioning best? Is this? Does

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Speaker 1: They've had an injury issue there as well. So the

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Speaker 1: consistency for Justin to really have that timing and that

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Speaker 1: trust with his receivers down the field just hasn't had

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Speaker 1: a chance to develop. Cole Commit becomes his number one

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Speaker 1: guy probably in the past game, along with Donnell Mooney.

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Speaker 1: But they're gonna lean heavy, heavy, heavy on that run game. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, two one yards last week, first time since

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Speaker 1: a D four they had numbers like that. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go, right, eighties and nineties with the Giants

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Speaker 1: collars eighty four was the last time Chicago put up

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Speaker 1: numbers like that in the run game. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the point of emphasis for Wink Martinell and

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Speaker 1: his defense is is how do we shut that run

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Speaker 1: game down? What's going on with Justin Fields? You know,

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Speaker 1: I know it's a new system. He's a young guys

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Speaker 1: who's gonna take some time, but you know there's been

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Speaker 1: some throws You're not sure where it's going. He's turned

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Speaker 1: it over a little bit. How long of a process

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Speaker 1: is this going to be for him? And what are

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Speaker 1: the Giants have to look out for in terms of

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Speaker 1: how Fields approached the game to slow him down on Sunday? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably the two worst things you can have for a

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Speaker 1: young quarterback in the midst of change into another system

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Speaker 1: is an offensive line that's been a little bit spotty

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Speaker 1: in their protection and wide receivers that are struggling to

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Speaker 1: separate a little bit. So um, there's just not a

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Speaker 1: lot of confidence and trust there to turn that football loose.

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Speaker 1: I think he's he's feeling some pressures sometimes and immediately

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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys want to, you know, escape

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Speaker 1: that pocket, and you know, just kind of getting ready

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Speaker 1: for this game. I went back to Week two and

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Speaker 1: you're watching both of these offenses work right. It's it's

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Speaker 1: Luke Getzi from Green Bay coming down to Chicago to

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Speaker 1: put that in. And then you're watching Rogers executed and

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Speaker 1: you'll see that pocket start to break down on Aaron

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Speaker 1: and Aaron steps up and move to the side and

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Speaker 1: resets and starts to go down the field. And and

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Speaker 1: that's something that it takes a while for young quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: to develop, you know, that ability to understand at the

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Speaker 1: NFL level, even though you're a dual threat quarterback, the

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Speaker 1: way you're gonna beat teams and win championships is throwing

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Speaker 1: the football. You're not gonna be able to do that

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Speaker 1: with your feet all the time. When you can, great

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Speaker 1: it serves and it was great for Daniel Jones against

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Speaker 1: Dallas Monday night. You know, extending plays, getting first down

476
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Speaker 1: is doing some great stuff, but you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: learn how to beat those guys from a pocket, even

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Speaker 1: if it's not a clean pocket. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: learn how to step up, slide final throwing lanes. He's

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Speaker 1: just not there yet. It's a very footwork tighten offense,

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Speaker 1: and I remember we brought it up when we talked

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Speaker 1: to him in week two. This reminds me of Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning with Ben McAdoo when he was a coach for

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Speaker 1: the Giants and trying to get that that footwork, timing

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Speaker 1: based offense in place. And it's a struggle. It's I

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Speaker 1: think it's a big leap for a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: that are coming from a different style of offense. So

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Speaker 1: I just think there's a there's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a learning curve, there's a little bit of performance curve

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Speaker 1: with his supporting cast um. So hopefully, you know, things

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Speaker 1: will start to steady down a little bit for him

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Speaker 1: and and and he'll be able to stand in that

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Speaker 1: pocket and feel a little bit more comfortable. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of the Bears defense young group? But they

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Speaker 1: do have three or four veterans ro Klan Smith, Robert Quinn,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Jackson that we all know know how to plan

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Speaker 1: all three love. So what do you make of that

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Speaker 1: Bears defense? How do you think the Giant should go

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Speaker 1: back but go about attacking it? Yeah, great to see

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Speaker 1: Eddie Jackson back taking the football away. He's been through

501
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Speaker 1: a really tough stretch in his personal life, had some

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Speaker 1: really some really tragic situations happen, So it's great to

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Speaker 1: see him kind of getting back into football and having

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Speaker 1: that outlet for him. I think Roquan Smith is a

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Speaker 1: is a great a great fit for this. You look

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Speaker 1: at Shaquille Leonard and what he did with the Colts.

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Speaker 1: That's the system that that Alan Williams and Mattieberflus are

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Speaker 1: putting in in Chicago. Um, there's a lot of good

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Speaker 1: pieces in place there. They went young in the secondary

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Speaker 1: to kind of shore that up. Um, you know, with

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Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon and Jaquan Brisker. So you've got a couple

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Speaker 1: of young guys back there that they're gonna build around.

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be very very similar to that

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Speaker 1: old Tampa Bay style defense. Uh. They have standards that

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Speaker 1: they have in place, they've stressed, you know, hustle to

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Speaker 1: the point of the ball, punched the ball out, take

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Speaker 1: the ball away. Ball security is going to be key

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Speaker 1: for for every Giant player that touches the football, not

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Speaker 1: just quarterback, running back, tight end, wide receiver, anybody who's

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Speaker 1: got the football in their and these guys come after

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Speaker 1: it um as well as anybody in the league right now.

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Speaker 1: And this is early in that transition, but they've had

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Speaker 1: some success and they've already bought into it. So I

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Speaker 1: think one of the big things is gonna be ball security,

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Speaker 1: not just in the in the pocket with the quarterback throwing,

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Speaker 1: but but everybody that has a football in their hand

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Speaker 1: is running. You'll watch these guys come in from the side,

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Speaker 1: come in from behind. You know, you get five six

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Speaker 1: guys around that football at every tackle. Does Barkley look

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Speaker 1: as good as any running back in the league right

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Speaker 1: now for the Giants? I think right now, for me,

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb is the one guy that that has kind

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Speaker 1: of set himself apart. I mean, he's just he's amazing. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the combination of of of the speed he has, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's got great feed, he's got power, um, you know

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Speaker 1: SA Kuana is number two in the NFL when you

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Speaker 1: talk about rushing yards, right behind Nick Chubb. So I

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Speaker 1: think he's he's brought himself back into that that conversation, uh,

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I want to talk

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Speaker 1: to him about. On Friday, he made a comment during

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Speaker 1: the course of training camp where you know, they talked

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Speaker 1: about Derrick Henry, they talked about Christian McCaffrey, they talked

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Speaker 1: about Aaron Jones, all these guys he was gonna play

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Speaker 1: against during the course of this season. And his response was,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to compare myself to them because there's

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Speaker 1: nothing I can do to prevent what kind of day

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have. And you know, I reached out to MTT.

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Speaker 1: We just kind of had a conversation and it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we gotta change this guy's approach. I mean,

550
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Speaker 1: every time you stepped on the field, you wanted to

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Speaker 1: be the leading rusher after that game, regardless of who

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Speaker 1: it was. Uh. And if you want to have that

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Speaker 1: NFL rushing Champion title, you know at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season, then the best way to do that is

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Speaker 1: win every battle during the course of the year week

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Speaker 1: to week. And so I'd love to get him to

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Speaker 1: just kind of change his thought process a little bit,

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Speaker 1: because it's not just him. It's the offensive line, it's

559
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Speaker 1: the tight ends, it's it's everybody involved in that run

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Speaker 1: game that that starts to buy in and get on board. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that's how we were able to get him at

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Speaker 1: his rushing championships. A lot of those were one on

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Speaker 1: the final Sunday of that season. A lot of people forget.

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Speaker 1: And there's a couple of them that were won by

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Speaker 1: less than a hundred yards, some less than fifty yards. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it was it was a group effort on the

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Speaker 1: final weekend of the season because he had that mentality

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Speaker 1: all year long that I want to be the number

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Speaker 1: one rusher every time I step on that field week

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Speaker 1: the week. Yeah, there was a pretty good running back

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Speaker 1: named Barry Sanders in that era too, so that was

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Speaker 1: it was a pretty tight competition. Final question moves You

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Speaker 1: could be honest, did you put a special request in

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Speaker 1: to to do this game? Because the Bears have a

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Speaker 1: real life lead blocking fullback in Ghari Blazing Game, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of like an extinct, you know, creature in

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Speaker 1: the NFL these days. Are you pumped to see some

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Speaker 1: lead blocking from a fullback. I am, I am. I

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Speaker 1: had one last week. We had Patrick Ricard Uh, he's

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Speaker 1: great in Baltimore and and he had a great block

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Speaker 1: on Matthew Judon. One of the hardest blocks there is

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Speaker 1: is that long trap and then you have to turn

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Speaker 1: up field and you know sometimes it's usually the lead

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Speaker 1: backing get blown up because the defenders coming downhill on him. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And Patrick did a great job against Matthew Judon. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good to see the position coming back a little bit.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of guys out there, you know, bringing

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Speaker 1: a little bit of notoriety back to the fullback spots.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's gonna be fun. Well, well, hopefully hopefully

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Speaker 1: carry I'll have a couple of plays out there we

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Speaker 1: can we can draw up for him. Most good stuff

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Speaker 1: you can see this man. Darren moose Johnson on the

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Speaker 1: call for Fox again jianson Bears one o'clock on Sunday

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Speaker 1: on Fox. Mouse thanks so much of the time. We'll

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Speaker 1: see at the game on Sunday. Awesome, you gotta John, Thanks,

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Speaker 1: good luck. That's Darryl moose Johnston from Fox. We thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us on the John Suttle Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: watch and listen to our Draft Season podcasts, second episode

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Speaker 1: what happens in college football so far this year as

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Speaker 1: heading into the NFL Draft in April three. For Darren

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