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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,

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Speaker 2: Paul Levy our special guest, and we'll take calls with

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Speaker 2: Paul next hour on Coast to Coast. Paul, who unleashed

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Speaker 2: this watigo on us? This mind virus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's a very interesting question, and there are

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Speaker 3: a lot of theories, like some people think, oh, there

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Speaker 3: was a collective trauma that our species suffered, you know,

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Speaker 3: centuries ago, or these negative ET's. But I point out,

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Speaker 3: like in my new book on watiko, because I've written

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Speaker 3: three I you know, my opinion is that it's something

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Speaker 3: that we are complicit in unconsciously creating each and every moment,

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Speaker 3: to the extent that we're that we're unaware of it.

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Speaker 3: And so it's sort of like you know, with unhealed

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Speaker 3: the ancestral abuse. It gets passed down over the generations,

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Speaker 3: and you know, if people don't heal it, they're just

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Speaker 3: faded to unwittingly be the instrument to pass it on.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a good metaphor to the extent

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Speaker 3: that we're asleep to certain parts of ourselves we're going

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Speaker 3: to get compelled to act them out unconsciously, and because

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Speaker 3: it's unconscious, it's going to not be constructive, but it's

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Speaker 3: going to be in a hurtful way. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's very related to the answer to your question.

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Speaker 2: Is there any way the mind virus could be beneficial

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Speaker 2: to us?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, the mind virus is a quantum phenomena. And

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Speaker 3: what I mean by that, you know, is that same

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Speaker 3: thing with what is the nature of light? Well, sometimes

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Speaker 3: it manifests as a wave, other times as a particle.

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Speaker 3: It depends how it's observed. Being a quantum phenomena. This

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Speaker 3: this mind virus, it has it's the source of the

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Speaker 3: greatest evil and encoded hidden within it, it's actually helping

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Speaker 3: us to wake up. And how it manifest Is it

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Speaker 3: going to take us down or is it going to

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Speaker 3: awaken us? It depends if we have the recognition of

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Speaker 3: what it's revealing to us.

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Speaker 2: Your awakening star in nineteen eighty one, so you're talking

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Speaker 2: about thirty some years ago. Have you ever seen it?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a point today where this is

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Speaker 2: as bad as it gets with what's going on on

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Speaker 2: the planet.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's insane and it's total, it's a

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Speaker 3: total collective psychosis. But what I'm pointing out of my

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Speaker 3: work again and again is that you know, when something

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Speaker 3: unconscious is at the point of beginning to be integrated

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Speaker 3: so as to assimilate back into our wholeness, it gets

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Speaker 3: dreamed up in projected form, seemingly out there in the

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Speaker 3: outside world. And so what's happening, it's actually like the

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Speaker 3: Watiko mind virus, is this revelation. It's a living revelation.

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Speaker 3: Something is being revealed to us through the darkness. So

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Speaker 3: instead of like when you know, two thousand years ago

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Speaker 3: with Christ coming down from the heavens, you know, through

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Speaker 3: in light, know, the divine is actually revealing itself from

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Speaker 3: the underworld through the darkness, and it's showing us exactly

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Speaker 3: what we need to know in order to wake up.

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Speaker 2: Would you believe through quantum physics we can pull.

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Speaker 3: Out of this oh completely quantum physics. In Indevent and Buddhism,

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Speaker 3: there's a tradition called the hidden Treasures where these treasures

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Speaker 3: are discovered right at the moment when they're most needed

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Speaker 3: to help the community, you know, get back in balance

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Speaker 3: and to deepen their awakening. And I point out that

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Speaker 3: quantum physics is a modern day analogue to one of

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Speaker 3: these hidden treasures. We have collectively dreamed up the revelation

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Speaker 3: of quantum physics, both into the world and into our minds,

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Speaker 3: so as to awaken us. But if we don't recognize

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Speaker 3: what it's revealing to us, then it does us no

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Speaker 3: good at all. So my whole work is continually from

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Speaker 3: to point out what it's showing us.

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Speaker 2: Well, how did you pull yourself out of the hole

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Speaker 2: that you're in? They were diagnosed with a severe psychotic break.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, totally. Well I had no idea.

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Speaker 3: But that's typical of when somebody gets called to be,

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Speaker 3: you know, and I'm no shaman, but I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: only a shaman in my wild the streams. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: typical in the archetypal pattern, when you get called to

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Speaker 3: going crazy. And I was That's exactly what happened to me.

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Speaker 3: And this was in nineteen eighty one, and no one understood,

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Speaker 3: entire universe was telling me I had this mental illness

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Speaker 3: encounter with psychiatry was sort of a Hichoshamonic descent into

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Speaker 2: What did the psychiatrist say after you basically cured yourself?

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Speaker 3: Well, they you know, I haven't I mean, I was

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Speaker 3: actually really good friends with some psychiatrists who unfortunately have

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, and actually I do have psychiatrists

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, psychiatry, Like I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 3: blown away by how asleep the traditional academically trained psychiatrist

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Speaker 2: Paul, give us some tips, some pointers on what individuals

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Speaker 2: can do who find themselves in the middle of this

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Speaker 2: mess that's all over the place. How do they pull

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Speaker 3: Right? Well, one of the things that I point out

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Speaker 3: that's the most important sort of medicine for the WATICO

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Speaker 3: mind virus is to get in touch with your creativity,

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Speaker 3: you know, because this mind virus has no creative there's

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Speaker 3: no creativity on its own. It's a master impersonator. The

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Speaker 3: apocryphal text calls it the counterfeiting spirit. It impersonates us.

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Speaker 3: But how it works, if we're not tapping in consciously

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Speaker 3: to our own creativity, this mind virus will access it

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Speaker 3: and turn our own creativity against us. So that's why

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Speaker 3: it's profoundly important for each one of us to connect

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Speaker 3: Our true nature is to be creative, and when we

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Speaker 3: that deepens our realization of our nature in a positive

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Speaker 3: feedback loop that creates light.

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Speaker 2: Paul, one of the founding fathers of quantum physics, was

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Speaker 2: Albert Einstein. If you had a chance to sit down

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Speaker 2: with the guy, what would you be talking to him about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he actually said, he goes, quantum physics is

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Speaker 3: him to inquire into, because quantum physics empirically proves that

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Speaker 3: that's a nonsensical idea, that it's only an idea in

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Speaker 3: our head with no corlator reality. There's nothing objective out

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Speaker 2: Will quantum physics, through this revelation keep most people from

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Speaker 3: Well, it can. I mean keep in mind, you know

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Speaker 3: this mind virus, it's a collective psychosis and we're all

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Speaker 3: more challenging to keep our connection with our basic sanity. Like,

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Speaker 3: for example, I think of one quantum physicist who I know,

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Speaker 3: you know. He he would say, yeah, when when I

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Speaker 3: the first would be I would listen to the Beethoven,

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Speaker 3: and the second would be I would read quantum physics

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Speaker 3: because quantum physics it's like a psychedelic drug. It's so

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Speaker 3: psychoactivating what it's pointing at. And the whole book that

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Speaker 2: That truly remarkable. Paul, your books are all available. The

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Speaker 2: other one, the updated version, comes out in December of

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Speaker 2: twenty four. How much how different is it from the original.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's about maybe ten percent different

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Speaker 3: in that I went through the whole book and you know,

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Speaker 3: got some downloads that I didn't realize what I wrote

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Speaker 3: when I wrote the first edition, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you mean by quantum physics as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not only is it, you know, like the insights

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Speaker 3: that are emerging from quantum physics are helpful, but quantum

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Speaker 3: physics itself is a revelation. It's a complete and utter

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Speaker 3: it's nothing other than a revelation. But it's so profound

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Speaker 3: and it's so radical that it's already been or it's

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Speaker 3: you know, and all it's changed the whole course of

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Speaker 2: How did Native Americans understand this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, the interesting thing is whether it's with Native

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Speaker 3: to understand that this is a quantum cosmos. And one way,

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Speaker 3: very simply of understanding what that means is that it's

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Speaker 3: not composed of separate things that interact. But you know, this,

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Speaker 2: Is there a way out for all of us?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, encoded in the nightmare that's happening, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the darkness. Like I'm trying to say, something is

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Speaker 3: the world, and I'm pointing out that quantum physics, it's

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Speaker 3: freely offering us this revelation that when any one person

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Speaker 3: when it's sufficient number of people actually get activated and

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Speaker 3: take online into their minds, what quantum physics is showing

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Speaker 3: us that can change the world, There's no question about that.

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Speaker 2: Can it backfire on us?

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Speaker 3: Paul, Well, the thing is it's in you know, the

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Speaker 3: powers that be. You see what their worst nightmare is

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Speaker 3: for people, you know, collectively our species is to understand

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Speaker 3: what quantum physics is showing us. So you know, the

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Speaker 3: powers that be are very much keeping it secret. They're

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Speaker 3: not wanting the normal person to understand the incredible creative

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Speaker 3: for all of us. So you know, it can be

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Speaker 3: used for evil. But what I'm trying to point out

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Speaker 2: Many physicists believe that quantum physics is the greatest discovery

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Speaker 2: in the history of science. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's not a question. As I began to study

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Speaker 3: the thing which is interesting is that the traditional academically

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Speaker 3: trained corporate physicists is not prepared to recognize the central idea.

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Speaker 3: And they're actually saying, Yeah, it's like we've never seen

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Speaker 3: an automobile and we've come across one in the forest

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Speaker 3: and we turn on the signal and we turn on

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Speaker 3: the lights, but we don't know what it's really for.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfect analogy for quantum physics. And I'm pointing out, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what this central idea is. It's showing us that we have,

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Speaker 3: each one of us this enormous creative power and that

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Speaker 3: we're dreaming, we're having a collective dream and to these

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Speaker 3: that we're unconscious of it. We're dreaming up a nightmare,

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Speaker 3: but encoded in that process is a revelation, and quantum

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Speaker 3: physics is freely offering that to us.

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Speaker 2: And we all tap into the same dream, then don't we.

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Speaker 3: Well, then that dream is to step out of the

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Speaker 3: separate itself. That's where quantum physics becomes a spirtual path

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Speaker 3: and we recognize experientially that we are interconnected and interdependent

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Speaker 3: with each other. There's no separation. The energetic expression of

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Speaker 3: that realization is compassion, and then we can change the dream.

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Speaker 3: And that's evolutionary and that's what quantum physics is showing us.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take calls next hour with Paul Levy

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Speaker 2: about this very strange mind virus called Watiko. His latest

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Speaker 2: book is called The Quantum Revelation. The new version comes

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Speaker 2: out in December of twenty fourteen. Why does it come

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Speaker 2: out then?

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Speaker 3: Wait? Wait twenty four.

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Speaker 2: To twenty two, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Right right, No, Well, it's just like it's taken a

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Speaker 3: while to really headed up and stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, Well, that happens, that happens, Paul, this is

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Speaker 2: an amazing thing. And how did you uncover it yourself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, no, it was just like I had this

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Speaker 3: complete spiritual awakening that destroyed my entire family. It almost

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Speaker 3: killed me, and I was lucky I was able to

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Speaker 3: you know, cultivate my awareness.

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Speaker 2: And did you do it yourself? Though?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was because of an incredible trauma.

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Speaker 3: You know that I suffered at the hands of a

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Speaker 3: psychopathic father, and it just created such enormous suffering for

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Speaker 3: me that I went inwards. And then I actually had

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Speaker 3: a living encounter with the quantum and it was like

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Speaker 3: having a quantum shift from one moment to the next.

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Speaker 3: I was in a new universe.

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Speaker 2: Is your father still with you?

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Speaker 3: No, he passed away twenty some years ago when he

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Speaker 3: was convinced, oh, my only child is mentally ill. And

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Speaker 3: you know, he never was ever able to reflect and

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Speaker 3: see you know that he just whatever played the role

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Speaker 3: of the abuser in my life. You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I tip my hat to you the way you

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Speaker 2: pulled out of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a short And how about mom.

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Speaker 3: She's still with you? No, she she died a little

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Speaker 3: bit over twenty years ago. So I haven't had a

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Speaker 3: family for over twenty years. But I have a huge

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Speaker 3: you know friends, you know, group and sole family.

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Speaker 2: Your following is your family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, totally. It's the sanga. It's the

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Speaker 3: real spiritual community.

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