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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode,
Speaker 2: Inez Stepman is with us. She is a senior policy
Speaker 2: analyst at the Independent Women's Forum, does some great writing
Speaker 2: and it's been a friend of mine in this business
Speaker 2: for like a decade. Now, isn't that what we're getting old?
Speaker 1: He is? You know, they realize That's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say.
Speaker 3: That's a reminder of how old we are.
Speaker 2: May be able to measure our friendship and how many
Speaker 2: decades we have been hanging out. So let's start with
Speaker 2: with this I wanted to get into and just to
Speaker 2: give folks a sense of where we're gonna go. Uh
Speaker 2: some DC school numbers about how many people are you know,
Speaker 2: absent truant, but really are they even going to school
Speaker 2: at all? That's really interesting to me. Mark Cuban thinking
Speaker 2: that he should just keep on. It's like a kid
Speaker 2: burning his hand on the stove. But Mark Cuban with
Speaker 2: DEI is like burn it again, burn it again. Like
Speaker 2: he just seems to love doing this online, like he
Speaker 2: loves the pain. But we'll we'll get into that. But
Speaker 2: I just think this is fascinating. You are a New Yorker.
Speaker 2: You live there.
Speaker 1: Now, it's funny I used to be in New Yorker.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's very generous of you, given
Speaker 3: I know that you're you're an original New Yorkers. I
Speaker 3: don't know, after three years, can I call myself a New.
Speaker 1: Yorkers who were born and raised there.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit like the way that Japanese feel
Speaker 2: about citizenship, Like we're very slow to call somebody else
Speaker 2: a New Yorker, Like we don't really give it out.
Speaker 2: But no, you because you love the city and you
Speaker 2: are staying, and you are conservative, but you are staying,
Speaker 2: and so is Jared, your husband. He You guys are
Speaker 2: in it right, You're in it to win it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: You live across from a migrant encampment in New York City.
Speaker 2: Tell me all about this because I actually haven't been
Speaker 2: there to see this phase of the city. I was
Speaker 2: there through the COVID madness. Now live in Florida. What
Speaker 2: are we seeing with the migrant situation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's bad, and it's visibly so and
Speaker 3: getting worse, which I mean we can talk about. I
Speaker 3: think the single most uh and successful political gambit probably
Speaker 3: the last thirty years has been dysantis an abbot sending
Speaker 3: bus loads of migrants to Blue Havens because it has
Speaker 3: truly made it a national problem. And of course there's
Speaker 3: the obvious hypocrisy in a bunch of New Yorkers waking
Speaker 3: up to the fact that this is actually a problem,
Speaker 3: you know, after they've been calling Hidalgo, Texas who's dealing
Speaker 3: which is dealing with a much worse problem over decades,
Speaker 3: and they've been basically called racists for their trouble for
Speaker 3: complaining about it, right, But nevertheless, I think it's been
Speaker 3: really effective. I do see a lot of people complaining
Speaker 3: about it. I see people, you know, it's one of
Speaker 3: those things you just can't ignore. It's also impossible to
Speaker 3: ignore the makeup of who's coming here. These are young
Speaker 3: men from eighteen to their mid twenties, and they're just
Speaker 3: hanging out in packs. It's definitely like I get very
Speaker 3: interesting notifications. I have a app that tracks like neighborhood
Speaker 3: crime and get I get really interesting notifications like three
Speaker 3: hundred men in a brawl. Oh, that doesn't happen without.
Speaker 2: I mean, unless it's unless it's happening at Thermopoli a
Speaker 2: long time ago. That's concerning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's a different dynamic than
Speaker 3: the domestic problems with crime, which are also an issue.
Speaker 3: But now there's a lot of uh, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of chatter around. Some of these guys are forming gangs,
Speaker 3: and they're just forming like kind of snatching gangs, so
Speaker 3: walking around the street, grab a bag, grab a phone.
Speaker 3: They're speeding away on on mopeds. But it's organized. It's
Speaker 3: not a sort of random, it's it's organized, and they're
Speaker 3: repeated offenders over and over again, and and a lot
Speaker 3: of people are now it's it's self perpetuating because the
Speaker 3: sanctuary city policies and the generous benefits in New York
Speaker 3: are an attraction. So now Abbott and DeSantis don't have
Speaker 3: to do bus loads. They can. The people are saying
Speaker 3: at the border, you now the it's about hotel Manhattan.
Speaker 3: So that's that's uh, that's that's what's going on, and
Speaker 3: it is really putting us straight on the city. It's
Speaker 3: it's anyway, it really it's a different experience actually living
Speaker 3: next door to it. I lived in San Diego for
Speaker 3: quite some time, and that's the closest I've come to
Speaker 3: seeing this. But it was much less out of control
Speaker 3: when I was living in San Diego. Even though there
Speaker 3: were a lot of illegal crossings, the number and again
Speaker 3: the demographic profile of people coming here is like the
Speaker 3: only thing I have to compare it to is, as
Speaker 3: I was telling you off air, as East Jerusalem. It
Speaker 3: feels very very foreign. You feel nervous as a woman
Speaker 3: alone walking by. It's just packs of young men hanging
Speaker 3: out all day doing drugs, drinking, like getting into fights.
Speaker 2: And what is the city plan for this? You know,
Speaker 2: it seems like this is combustible. It's clearly a quality
Speaker 2: of life issue. It's a safety issue, it's a law issue.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can good on the whole list. What
Speaker 2: is Eric Adam saying about this or anyway.
Speaker 3: He's been kind of vocal about it. I've been kind
Speaker 3: of surprised. I mean, obviously my standards are very very low,
Speaker 3: given that he is a Democrat, but he's been kind
Speaker 3: of a burn the Biden administration side. I mean, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the democratic resolution for all this right, the thing that
Speaker 3: everyone will agree to at the end of the day
Speaker 3: within that party is we just need to throw more
Speaker 3: money at this right. So Eric Adams is complaining about
Speaker 3: the strain on resources, which again is something that border
Speaker 3: states have been dealing with for decades, but is a
Speaker 3: very real problem. I mean, we had the headline go
Speaker 3: viral from the New York Post just I think a
Speaker 3: few weeks ago where they once again shut down schools
Speaker 3: went to virtual schooling in a school in New York,
Speaker 3: this time not because of a virus and not because
Speaker 3: of teacher strikes which has happened in which have happened
Speaker 3: in other states, but because they needed the space to
Speaker 3: put migrants in. So they send everybody's kits to virtual learning.
Speaker 3: Those kinds of really direct trade offs are I think
Speaker 3: what is shifting. That's why I say it's very successful
Speaker 3: gambit in a way. I do think that changes people's
Speaker 3: minds and people forget that there was a seventeen point
Speaker 3: swing in New York I think largely over the crime issue,
Speaker 3: and now I would add migration into that general crime
Speaker 3: and quality of life. People are not happy with it.
Speaker 3: They actually are changing how they vote. Obviously, it's a
Speaker 3: super blue state and so it didn't go over the top.
Speaker 3: For the governor. But seventeen points is a big swing
Speaker 3: of people basically switching their votes from Ray.
Speaker 2: It's encouraging, but I just I any person who tells
Speaker 2: me they think given what New York City when I
Speaker 2: was living there, right, so I was experiencing it too.
Speaker 2: I have disdain for people who voted for Kathy Hockel.
Speaker 2: I mean true, truly, I think their judgment is impaired
Speaker 2: and they're not very bright, Like I don't really even
Speaker 2: care what their issues are. If you see what was
Speaker 2: going on in New York. I know she's the governor.
Speaker 2: It's not New York City per se, but New York
Speaker 2: City is the political center of gravity for the entire state.
Speaker 2: It's obviously a huge part of the overall budget. There
Speaker 2: are enormous implications for New York City based upon what
Speaker 2: goes on in Albany and from the governor's office. And
Speaker 2: to put that, and you know, she was so involved
Speaker 2: with the COVID situation in the worst possible ways to
Speaker 2: put that, imbecile Kathy hocal in power for a full term.
Speaker 1: To me, it's just inexcusable. It's just malpractice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, she's the worst for sure,
Speaker 3: she's the worst.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I think I did you feel safe
Speaker 1: on the subway? Can I ask you that?
Speaker 2: Because you know they did that whole National Guard thing recently.
Speaker 2: As a whole I was going to bring.
Speaker 3: Up is that, you know, the left basically because they
Speaker 3: refuse to put career criminals in prison and want to
Speaker 3: put the rest of us in prison, like we can
Speaker 3: all live in prison, so they can try to accommodate
Speaker 3: for the consequences of not putting people in prison. Yeah. No,
Speaker 3: I mean I definitely feel more and safe than I
Speaker 3: did a few years ago, and for sure more than
Speaker 3: pre pandemic like twenty nineteen. On the subway, I mean
Speaker 3: it still is okay, it just depends, right, you have
Speaker 3: to be a lot more alert. I definitely switched cars.
Speaker 3: That is the biggest problem is the enclosed space of
Speaker 3: the subway, and that actually is less of a crime
Speaker 3: problem and more of a problem of the people being
Speaker 3: unwilling to uh put away people who are insane, like
Speaker 3: drug addicted and insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gang very commitment, right, it's not about a
Speaker 2: gang banger with you know, an uzy on the subway.
Speaker 2: I know they're doing this whole gun it's about a
Speaker 2: lunatic who's going to throw an old lady in front
Speaker 2: of a train for no reason, who's been arrested fifty times. Right,
Speaker 2: That's what the dynamic that I can just read about.
Speaker 2: But I remember it happening when I was there. I
Speaker 2: saw stuff on the New York City Subway. I was
Speaker 2: born and raised there, and I was there in the nineties,
Speaker 2: and I remember it as a kid when it was
Speaker 2: actually at its most dangerous by the numbers. But I've
Speaker 2: seen stuff on the New York City Subway in the
Speaker 2: in most recent years that I had never seen before.
Speaker 2: I mean, gross stuff that I won't talk about on
Speaker 2: this show right now. But I saw guys doing things
Speaker 2: that I was like, things are not going well. All right,
Speaker 2: let's talk speaking of cities, DC and the school situation there.
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Speaker 2: as you're an education policy expert and follow this stuff
Speaker 2: all very closely. This this was, uh, this was pretty
Speaker 2: stunning stuff that the DC schools. This has gotten some
Speaker 2: attention recently. DC public school system have a sixty percent
Speaker 2: chronic absenteeism problem. What is going on here.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, we lost track of hundreds of
Speaker 3: thousands of students. And by lost track, I mean we
Speaker 3: have no idea what happened to them. They were in
Speaker 3: school before the pandemic. They ought to have been in
Speaker 3: school after the pandemic, and we have no idea what
Speaker 3: happened to them. That it was bad before this truncy
Speaker 3: problem in DC. I mean, DC is a city with
Speaker 3: a lot of problems that precede the education system, and
Speaker 3: then the education system despite being these single most well
Speaker 3: funded system in the United States. A lot of the
Speaker 3: estimates now per pupil are over thirty five thousand dollars
Speaker 3: per student. So please do not let anyone ever tell
Speaker 3: you that the Washington DC schools are underfunded. I mean
Speaker 3: they are paying higher tuition than many private schools. We
Speaker 3: are all paying for that actually because it's federal. So
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a school system that was turning
Speaker 3: out bottom of the barrel results for decades, got a
Speaker 3: little bit of an improvement because of a relatively free
Speaker 3: charter law in the district, but nevertheless, I mean, this
Speaker 3: is a system that has had problems for a long
Speaker 3: long time, and the pandemic just estimated it because a
Speaker 3: lot of kids stop going to school functionally. It turns
Speaker 3: out that a laptop is not a acceptable substitute. And
Speaker 3: if you put kids on laptops for two and a
Speaker 3: half years, a lot of them don't come back to school.
Speaker 3: And we're finally seeing, I mean, it is enraging to
Speaker 3: see like the New York Times and elsewhere finally start
Speaker 3: to acknowledge the absolute devastation to so many millions of
Speaker 3: children's educations that happened. I mean, this was there is
Speaker 3: no excuse. There was no excuse even in like May
Speaker 3: June of twenty twenty for shutting the schools. And that's
Speaker 3: even if you were on the more cautious side of
Speaker 3: the spectrum when it comes to like the virus itself,
Speaker 3: it became clear pretty early on that children are not
Speaker 3: getting seriously affected by this. And then just as a
Speaker 3: matter of prioritizing, you know, societal functions, right, if you
Speaker 3: have casinos open and schools closed, that that's a matter
Speaker 3: of priorities. And unfortunately the fact that schools stayed closed
Speaker 3: for so long had so much more to do with
Speaker 3: teachers union's political power than it did with any analysis
Speaker 3: of any kind of risk analysis with the terms of
Speaker 3: the virus, any kind of you know, seriousness with in
Speaker 3: terms of prioritizing what activities for society are actually important.
Speaker 3: And we were told that, oh, it'll be fine, like
Speaker 3: it'll be fine, that we just shoved all these kids
Speaker 3: into like unmonitored virtual learning for years at a time,
Speaker 3: and now, finally, when it almost doesn't matter, we're getting
Speaker 3: those kinds of admissions from the New York Times, which
Speaker 3: always likes to print all the news that's fit to
Speaker 3: print three years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, where does just forever?
Speaker 2: I always think this is such an interesting point about
Speaker 2: how much money is being spent, because I know the
Speaker 2: reflexive response you're supposed to have to any problem the
Speaker 2: school system is well, they need more money. And if
Speaker 2: you listen to Randy Winegarden, who I think is an
Speaker 2: I think is an evil person. I mean, I actually
Speaker 2: think that what she does is really destructive and dishonest,
Speaker 2: and that she hides behind the needs of children in
Speaker 2: order to.
Speaker 1: Help lazy socialist adults is pretty grotesque. That's just my view.
Speaker 2: What she did during COVID is unforgivable. She's almost as
Speaker 2: bad as Fauci. Where does all the money go right.
Speaker 2: They always say we need more money. Thirty five thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a person in DC, a pupil in DC. Where
Speaker 2: does the money go.
Speaker 3: It's a really good question, and the answer is largely
Speaker 3: to things that have nothing to do with the classroom.
Speaker 3: In some states, the it's so bad that, for example,
Speaker 3: in Illinois, for every additional dollar that's spent on education,
Speaker 3: generally only eleven cents is making it to anything having
Speaker 3: to do with the classroom. That's the salary of the teacher,
Speaker 3: paying for the building supplies, blah blah blah. So, like
Speaker 3: you know, almost ninety percent of the money is going
Speaker 3: outside of that system. So what's it being spent on. Well,
Speaker 3: it's being spent on a massive administrative hiring spree. We
Speaker 3: now have the smallest proportion of teaching staff to non
Speaker 3: teaching staff that we've had since the nineteen fifties. That's
Speaker 3: the number that's been going down over time, or rather
Speaker 3: going up. That we have more administrators every year visa
Speaker 3: the teaching positions, and this makes it really hard to
Speaker 3: talk about how much money we actually spend in the
Speaker 3: United States on education. We are a top two or
Speaker 3: three country per pupil, depending how you count all these funds.
Speaker 3: Our problem is not money. We are very very generous.
Speaker 3: The American people have been generous for decades, pulling out
Speaker 3: more and more money and in taxes going to the
Speaker 3: education system in America. The problem is the structure of
Speaker 3: the education system and what that money is spent on.
Speaker 3: But it's really really difficult to convince people of that
Speaker 3: because on the ground they see shortages, right because this
Speaker 3: money is so misspent. They'll go to their first grader's
Speaker 3: classroom and there isn't enough money for supplies, and the
Speaker 3: teacher is paying out of her own salary for you
Speaker 3: know whatever, like for equipment for the classroom, and they
Speaker 3: see that and they're like, well, obviously we're not spending
Speaker 3: enough money. But that's not the problem. The problem is
Speaker 3: that people like Randy Winegarden are setting the priorities of
Speaker 3: where the district spends money and what they spend money on.
Speaker 3: Are adding more administrative staff, like massive pensions for all
Speaker 3: those administrative staff, and then all kinds of like tech
Speaker 3: buy in. I mean, there's a lot of just incredible
Speaker 3: waste in the system. And that's before you get to
Speaker 3: what they're actually teaching and whether or not it's worthwhile.
Speaker 3: And whether they're teaching kids how to read, or whether
Speaker 3: they're teaching them to be little anti racist, you know,
Speaker 3: cultural revolutionaries. But all of that is not a matter
Speaker 3: of not being enough money. And in fact, you know,
Speaker 3: I think it's long past time that we take that
Speaker 3: money and give it to parents. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: you're a big proponent of school choice. I am as well.
Speaker 3: It's only a matter of fairness. Imagine what parents could
Speaker 3: do with thirty five thousand dollars per child per year
Speaker 3: in terms of their children's education. I guarantee you they'll
Speaker 3: do a better job than Randy Winegarten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems very straightforward, but obviously the Democrat Party
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Speaker 2: a rich guy who owns the Dallas Mavericks. He's worth
Speaker 2: billions of dollars. He's on shark Tank. He made a
Speaker 2: lot of money really selling a company that was effectively well,
Speaker 2: not worthless after he sold it, but worth a whole
Speaker 2: hell of a lot less than what he sold it
Speaker 2: for was at Broadcast dot Com. Right, But he's weighing
Speaker 2: into the DEI debate a lot and not looking very
Speaker 2: smart when he does it. What is Mark Cuban doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, he doesn't seem to be able to
Speaker 3: get out from under certain premises of what he thinks
Speaker 3: DEI means, these kind of nice sounding platitudes about wanting
Speaker 3: to treat people equally, in valuing diversity and so on,
Speaker 3: and he just keeps looping back into those platitudes when
Speaker 3: people like Chris Ruffo show him that, in fact, that's
Speaker 3: not what it means, and shows a bunch of you know,
Speaker 3: examples and documents by actually, this is about declaring any
Speaker 3: disparities inherently illegitimate and trying to equalize outcomes between different
Speaker 3: different racial groups, between the sexes, because when you say
Speaker 3: it like that, it sounds insane, right, especially, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think sex is one of the easiest grounds on
Speaker 3: which you say. I mean, it is a sort of
Speaker 3: it's an insane premise for anybody who's actually lived in
Speaker 3: the world and met women and met men who assume
Speaker 3: that outcomes between them in all ways would be fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty. That is the kind of premise that if
Speaker 3: you go in you can only achieve through tyranny. It's
Speaker 3: just not going to happen any other way, because men
Speaker 3: and women have radically different interests, they live radically different lives,
Speaker 3: they have different responsibilities. All of these things I guess
Speaker 3: are are now crime think. But it's an obvious sort
Speaker 3: of You don't you don't even to know much about
Speaker 3: the DEI apparatus, You don't need to know all the
Speaker 3: theory to say this is an absurd goal. It's an
Speaker 3: absurd goal to say that men and women's outcomes should
Speaker 3: be identical. Right.
Speaker 2: I'm fond of pointing out for everyone he knows that
Speaker 2: if you really believe in disparate impact, someone has to
Speaker 2: explain what do we do about the fact that ninety
Speaker 2: percent of homicide inmates are men. I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 2: because the member one it's killing.
Speaker 3: People impact, right, which I've actually had people online try
Speaker 3: to explain to me that actually women are just as
Speaker 3: violent as men. Wow, it's funny from like the red
Speaker 3: pill side of the internet. They're like, actually, there's this
Speaker 3: mass underreporting of abuse, like physical abuse by women. I mean,
Speaker 3: it might be underreported because men are ashamed, but like,
Speaker 3: the reason that there's a disparity is because one is
Speaker 3: stronger and more violent than the other. One is unable to,
Speaker 3: like women effectuate violence and sneak your ways.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I've never been on a date with a women
Speaker 2: with a woman who could beat me up in my
Speaker 2: entire life.
Speaker 1: Not well, so you know this is pretty straightforward stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I really do think like generations of sort
Speaker 3: of feminist action movies with female heroes has genuinely made
Speaker 3: a lot of people, because we don't live very physical lives,
Speaker 3: a lot of us anymore, made people delusional about the
Speaker 3: strength difference between men and women. It's not like, for example, height,
Speaker 3: where like, yeah, men are generally taller than women, but
Speaker 3: there's a lot of overlap. You you know, go out
Speaker 3: of the house any given day, you'll see a woman
Speaker 3: who's taller than you know, a man walking around. Right,
Speaker 3: that's not how strength is. It's not that much of
Speaker 3: an overlap, a very very tiny overlap between the strongest
Speaker 3: women and the weakest men. I mean, there there is
Speaker 3: just an enormous physical difference in terms of upper body strength,
Speaker 3: in terms of speed, even something like reaction time. Right,
Speaker 3: It's just enormous enormous differences. But but Mark cuban is
Speaker 3: is kind of doesn't want to accept that the premise
Speaker 3: of all of these structures is that radical premise of perfect,
Speaker 3: perfect parody between different groups, because when you say it outright,
Speaker 3: people immediately know that that's absurd. Whereas when you couched
Speaker 3: in the layers about equity and that dumb little graphic
Speaker 3: that's always going around with the people watching the baseball game, right,
Speaker 3: it's just about giving, you know, giving somebody a boost
Speaker 3: who hasn't had, you know, the same opportunities. But no,
Speaker 3: no two people will ever have the exact same opportunities.
Speaker 3: No two people will have the same family background, the
Speaker 3: same genetic endowment, the same you know, just just sheer chance.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure that Mark Cuban, in his business endeavors,
Speaker 3: had access to opportunities that other people did not just
Speaker 3: by virtue of not being Mark Cuban. That kind of
Speaker 3: radical egalitarian premise is more absurd the more plain plainly
Speaker 3: it's laid out. But Mark Cuban doesn't want to accept that.
Speaker 3: In many ways, could.
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban spell a galitarian? I'm just kidding. You don't
Speaker 1: have to answer that the question out there.
Speaker 2: He's a billionaire and I'm not so he knows something.
Speaker 2: He knows, you know, right place, right time in his
Speaker 2: stepman Everybody Independent Women's Forum you're on Twitter, right, You're
Speaker 2: on all the good things.
Speaker 1: People can follow you there.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, you can follow me. It's at Inez Felcher there.
Speaker 2: And her husband has a great book, by the way,
Speaker 2: which I think you can if you're watching on the
Speaker 2: YouTube The War on History by Jared Stepman. Jared's a
Speaker 2: great guy, buddy of said, buddy of ours. He's your husband,
Speaker 2: so I think it's safe to assume that he's your buddy.
Speaker 2: But he's not in mind too. Yeah, but yes, you
Speaker 2: can check out Jared's book and enes. Thanks for hanging out.
Speaker 1: Good to see you.
Speaker 3: It's great to see you. Thanks for having me.