WEBVTT - A DOG VS. A BLACK MAN 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:08.360 Welcome to Street Politicians, and I'm Tamika D. Mallory and 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.520 this is the place where the streets and politics meet. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.120 There's so much happening in the country. It's been a 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.680 crazy week. Thank you so much for joining us for 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.239 another episode of Street Politicians. And let's get into it. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.239 We're gonna be talking about a bunch of things today. UM. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.560 But you know, just thinking about the environment that we're 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.520 in where all of this is just it's a lot happening. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.120 People are definitely feeling a lot of weight. You've got 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.000 the president who's been impeached in there is you know, 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.919 obviously a trial going on right now. A lot happening 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.800 with that. You know, I try not to watch it 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.320 because it's a lot of trauma. Um. But there is 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.839 a real impeachment situation happening in our country and that 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.840 has a lot of implications. UM. You know, there's a 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.080 virus that's spreading across the world. We were talking earlier 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.600 about this virus that's coming out of China. It's now 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.520 in the US, UM and you know, just trying to 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.920 learn more about it. I think it's the Corona virus 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.080 is the appropriate name. UM. So that's a lot then 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.680 we see no, that's it's just way serious. Like it's 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.080 way serious I mean, it's it's spreading and serious now 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:25.240 and people are dying, particularly in Asian countries and here. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.640 Uh you know, like I said, it's here now. So 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.360 there are people in the United States that actually have 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.040 the virus and they've been quarantined, and there's a lot 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.600 happening there. And then you know, sex trafficking. I talked 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.039 about it on all of our shows and we will 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.760 continue to talk about it. We're actually working on some 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:47.559 things throughout organization Until Freedom just to help educate people 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:52.400 on missing women and girls, particularly black, Latino and Native 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.360 American people don't often talk about the fact that a 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.440 lot of Native American women go missing from reservations and 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.600 there you know, not a lot of focus on it. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.960 So we're doing some work to try to really bring 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.240 a spotlight to that. Uh, there are cases of police 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.919 brutality happening across the country. You know, I've been watching, 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.800 Like we've been so busy working on other things with 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.120 Until Freedom, but I still try to keep up with 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:21.360 Attorney Lee Merritt, obviously, Shaun King and his platform, uh, 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.360 you know, Benjamin Crump and just attorneys across the country, 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.720 and every single day they're posting about people who are 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.120 being killed. So it's not on the news like it was. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.440 And I think, honestly, you know, I'm into some conspiracy theories. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.760 I'm almost certain that like, at some point the energy 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:45.000 with Black Lives Matter was so big and so hot 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.360 that the media decided to stop playing so many stories 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.600 of people who have been killed. And so now you 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.320 don't see it as much, but it's still happening, um, 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.000 you know, and of course there's a lot of It's 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.000 like you have all of that happened, and I guess 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.320 just a black experience, like we have all those things happening, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.120 and then black excellence is popping, like you see so 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.440 much beauty and so many black folks doing great, amazing things. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.000 I know at some point we're gonna talk about the 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.200 Grammys and the whole weekend, the Rock Nation Brunch, and 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.240 so there's a lot happening. But I will say that, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.320 you know, in the Bible, when you read people who 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.800 actually study and not, you know, it doesn't matter what 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.520 you believe in and who you call God. But you know, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.600 if you really look at the Bible, it shows where 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.959 there would be these types of situations where you would 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.720 see earthquakes. Look at what's happening in Puerto Rico. It 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.000 is so sad to see that they keep getting hit 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:44.040 by very serious, serious weather conditions in these earthquakes, and 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.440 that's happening all over the world. But that's again Puerto 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.320 Rico is right here in the US. There are earthquakes, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.280 and I know that when you walk outside in New 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.480 York and other places around the country, one day it's 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.760 fifty degrees one day it's eleven degrees one. Climate change 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.120 is a real serious thing. So there's so much that 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.280 again is going on, and I know people are feeling 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.400 very weight like heavy right. But at the same time, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.440 we see a lot of beauty coming out of our 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.120 communities too, And we're just resilient people for real, to 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.360 go through all of that and still look good. I 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:22.480 don't know how we're doing it, but we are. It is, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.120 so we'll try to cover some of it today. UM. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.880 And you know, I was talking about the trauma, and 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:32.599 obviously Kobe Bryant is what has happened, his death and 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.640 his daughter's death, and the deaths of all the other 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:40.840 individuals who were on that flight. Um, yesterday. It's traumatic, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.279 Like it is heartbreaking, so heartbreaking, and you have to 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.159 ask yourself, like, how do we just deal with so 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:52.480 much trauma in our lives every day, especially with people 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.200 who we don't even know, Like, you know, we're experiencing 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.360 trauma with people we don't even know. I just think, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:03.280 um um sleeping peace to Kobe Bryant. Man. I was 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.720 in the movie theater with my sons and we went 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.640 to see it, you know, we went to see um 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.440 Dr Doolittle. So and they were enjoying the movie, and 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.000 I got a call saying that, you know, Kobe Bryant 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.320 had died, and I'm like what. I grant out the 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.240 movie and started making some calls and you know, to 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.280 actually found out that it was true, and I just 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:26.039 was so confused. And it's so crazy that Lebron just 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:30.080 passed his scoring you know, he just passed him and 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.120 scoring the night before, you know. And so when the 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.400 people who like me, who don't understand a lot about 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.479 sports and basketball, that means that Kobe Bryant had one 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.039 scoring record, right, he was he was because he was 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.000 more points, he got more points. He had passed him 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:49.240 in amount of points collectively throughout his career and Lebron 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.839 had just passed him on the list. And when you 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.880 when you understand how much of a competitive Kobe is, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.600 it's just like crazy that the minute somebody passes him 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.640 and beats him, he would lose his life. Like his 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.000 his spirit was competitive, you know. And when I think 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.080 when I sat there and I thought about that, then 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.920 I thought about when I found out that he was 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.559 on his plane with his daughter, just understanding the type 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.840 of man that he is, and understanding that I find 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.760 so much simililarities in the way that we compete and 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.120 the drive that we have, and just imagining what he 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.839 was probably going through on that helicopter when his daughter 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.039 he couldn't save his daughter just because he probably wasn't 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.880 thinking about it. So I wouldn't have been thinking about 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.880 myself going through that, and here my daughter cried and 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.280 met everything in me would be trying to figure out 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.760 how do I save my daughter. I'll give my life 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.240 forget me, for my daughter needs to be saved. So 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.240 I thought about all of those things at one time, 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.760 and it made me emotional. Started texting people, calling friends, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.360 telling him I love him, getting Texas from people. I 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.640 think it made you really just reflect on your life 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.400 and what life means. And that's the thing like today. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.640 I mean, obviously it was happening all night, but today, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.040 when I woke up and started going through my social 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.440 media feed, I saw so many people talking about hugging 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.080 your loved ones and telling your loved ones that you 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.240 care about them. And you know, you always have to 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.360 ask yourself, is it that just in these moments we 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.520 start doing that, and then we get back to regular 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.680 life and we forget about the little things, just the 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.680 little conversations. I read something on Felicia Butterfield Jones, my 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:29.480 our good friend, on her social media page where she said, um, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.880 that people, and I'm not going to quote it exactly, 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.200 but that somebody who was on that flight had a 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.640 plan for today or the next day and they but 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.880 they say God is the only planner. That's right. You 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.400 want to make God laugh? Then you're telling you But 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.080 I do want to make sure I didn't mean to 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.480 cut you up, but I do want to make sure 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.200 that we mentioned that again. There were other families there, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.679 and there was a mother and father with their daughter, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.200 and then a mother with her daughter. The pilot. So 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.800 many people lost their lives yeah, man, So we just 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:07.040 want to send out our condolences to them, to Vanessa Nasa, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.600 her husband, and her daughter. You know, so I couldn't 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.560 even imagine what she's going through right now, I think, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.360 and anybody in her circumference was able, you know, to 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.200 lift her, to hold on to her, to hug her, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.960 because she's definitely going through a lot right now. So 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.480 I'm gonna findest thing while you're talking that someone wrote 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.920 on Facebook that I thought was so powerful in such 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:37.560 an example of as women what we experience, and it 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.840 talks about strength, the strength of a woman, and of 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.360 course it doesn't want to pull up at this moment, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:50.520 but basically it starts out by saying that this today, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.600 Vanessa learned about a strength that she didn't know she 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:58.560 had yesterday. You know that we go through things and 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.800 you say I could never deal with that until it 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.560 happens to you, and then there's a strength that you 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.000 draw from that you never know you had. We constantly 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:13.320 see women like that, when Trayvonn's mother, you know, Lucia 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:19.280 Macbeth Jordan, people that we've seen walk into their own 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.360 own mothers who have walked into their greatness after the 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.880 biggest tragedies that they've had exactly deal with. Man. But 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.000 I also I don't want to. I don't. I don't 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.719 want to even bring this up. I really don't. But 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.920 you have to bring this up, you know, because somehow 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:38.880 racism always sense. It's like, you can't, we can't just 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.920 be centered in a conversation. Something else has to happen 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.160 that just gets people off the point and on to 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.719 a racist issue. Because I didn't even I didn't even 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.360 want to bring it up. You know, it was all 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.640 over my timeline. A bunch of people were tweeting it, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.640 and it was this combinator. Commentator is that combinator? You 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.439 know what I'm saying common haater, That's that's common kind 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.560 of like what it means anyway. But there was a 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.400 comment you just did the same thing that she is 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.280 being accused. But no, but listen when you can hear 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.640 the words I said. Because I said what I said, commentator, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.520 I ain't saying I said something different, you know. So, 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.280 but there's definitely there's a there's a balance. Some people 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.360 believe that she didn't. But when I listened to it 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.840 over a hundred times, you know, and said that she 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.520 the commentator was she was reported on the death of 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.320 Kobe Bryant, and the context of the sentence didn't even 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.000 really make sense to me. That's like the kind of 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.280 star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Niggers, 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.800 Los Angeles, like if I could ask you to stay 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.080 with us for gonna you know, she said, Kobe Bryant 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:51.920 was perfectly cast it on the l a Niggers mhm, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.320 and just said I mean Lakers. And when you listen, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.680 why was he perfectly casted? Like what made him perfectly 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.199 sit on the thing? This is a black man, told 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.640 what made him perfectly casting on this team that never existed? 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.880 She says that she was she was saying she was 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.320 trying to say Lakers and thinking of Nix at the 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:19.880 same time, and that why would be New Yorker. I 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.600 don't know who she is, even if you're a New Yorker, right, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.719 you know that Kobe Bryant never played for the Nick. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.560 The Knicks weren't playing, but she might not be a 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.679 sports person. Here's the thing. But I listened to it, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.800 and it sounds to me like she said nigger. That's 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:40.400 what I heard. And almost everyone that I know that's black, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.400 and particularly black people who actually use the word, and 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.200 by the way, on social media, even white folks who 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.400 probably use it and don't want nobody to know they 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.240 use it. They said they heard n that's what I heard. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.680 I'm not ready to join the cancel culture on her though, 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.840 I'm not ready? Why do why this is what I wanted? 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.040 Why are we constantly being asked not to join cancel 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.760 culture when we can do things we can be They 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.600 can say we said or did things that nobody ever 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.920 heard and cancel us. But we can literally see and 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.120 hear things with our own is, in our own eyes, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.040 and we shouldn't join the cancelase. At what point do 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.000 we say that certain things have to be respected? When 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.200 they called Martin Luther king, mort Luther coon and these things, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.440 they say, we made a mistake, Like why does it always? 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.760 Why don't we make mistakes and say something about the 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.240 cracker or why don't why don't we accidentally say honky 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.280 or things like that that are derogative? Why do we 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.800 never you never see that happen? Well, some people deliberately say, 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.240 but that's what we and they deliberately say it, and 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.320 you know that it's being said deliberately. But why don't 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.840 we ever make that mistake with other words? Why why 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:55.160 do when we speaking about other people these words. I'm 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.200 just saying, I don't know about words, but I know 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.400 we make mistakes, right, We make mistakes, and and that 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.040 really kind of leads us into another conversation about Kobe. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.200 But we do make mistakes in life, and there should 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:13.480 be some rooms, some grace um given to every individual. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.760 Racism is a little bit different. We have to be 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.240 able to challenge that. And I particularly don't appreciate somebody 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.560 telling me that they didn't say something when I I 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.719 believe that they did. But you know, again, I'm not 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.320 an expert. And my good friend Tony Lindsay argued me 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.800 down that he heard nakers and he actually does audio 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.679 and he's like, he's in the film industry, right, so 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.360 he's a producer, and he said this is what he heard. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.079 So us, there are different people coming from different perspectives. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.040 I don't think that we can be like them. The they, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.760 the they that is constantly challenging us, judging us, and 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.480 trying to condemn us. I think that the beauty and 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.920 maybe you'll say that's probably our issue. That's probably one 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.200 of the things about black folks in particular. That's problematic. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.400 We always forget we want to hug the cop that 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.680 killed both of them exact, And that's the problem for me. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.520 It's like we we sit here and we take abuse, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.920 We see things that are blatant, and we figure out 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.840 ways to to shure them and ignore the facts. And 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.120 and for me, you know, I don't. I'm not a 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.880 show of anything when it comes to that situation. But 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.000 I know what I heard. I know what I heard. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.440 If somebody else heard something different and they have the 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.040 ability to make that decision and that determination based on 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.280 what they heard, then cool. But I know what I heard. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.160 I know. I mean, I feel like I heard the 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.240 same thing. But again, I'm not ready to join the 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.920 cancel culture that says that's it forever. I think that 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.280 if in fact, she did say it, your racism real, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.200 it is dirty head, and you better like figure out 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.520 how not to allow that to happen again. But that's 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.280 another day. It's a lot of debate around that. But 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:05.600 talking about mistakes and evolving, um, you know there there 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.280 there is another debate online and it seems like this 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:12.680 happens all the time, when that's because there's no such 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.160 thing as a perfect individual right, where people are talking 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:22.320 about where people are talking about Kobe's past, right and 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:28.800 in discretions, things that happen, you know, extramarital affairs. And 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.920 particularly the major concern or issue that I've seen a 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:37.600 lot of people basically women speaking about, is the woman 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:42.160 who accused him of rape. Right, Um, people want to 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.360 talk about that right now, in the midst of and 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.760 and and Do I think that yesterday was the right 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.040 day to talk about that. I'm not sure. I'm not 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:56.960 I'm not comfortable with us having to go directly to 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.480 the negatives on folks when some one blows up in 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.600 a plane with their child, That to me is a 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.760 little out of place. But I do have to reconcile 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:16.560 the fact that women, specifically women who have been sexually assaulted, 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:21.240 it is triggering for them when they see someone who 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:26.520 they believe, they believe to be a perpetrator of sexual 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:31.000 violence being celebrated in such a way. Well, I have 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.000 I have two different points of views. First of all, 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.200 you know, I definitely don't think yesterday was the day 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.160 of bringing it up, because we have it with a conversation. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.080 How long ago was it that these allegations came up? 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.880 I don't know, but it's been a long quite a 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.360 long time, and they haven't came up since then. And 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.040 and and we actually we asked ourselves, at what point 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.760 does allegations that have been the charges have been dismissed. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.040 At what point does does hit the allegations not have 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:11.159 the same level of validity or do we just completely 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.440 somebody who's been exonerated of charges. Are we going to 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.040 completely continue to condemn him and call him these names 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.560 and call him a rapists and things like that. We 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.000 at what point do you say, Okay, the charges will dropped. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.040 Like I want everybody to understand, I wanted to be 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.440 very clear, I am not a rape apologist anyone who's 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.040 raped a woman, anyone who has done something to a 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.080 woman that is against her will when she said no, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.720 whether whatever it is. I believe that you need to 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.320 deal with the consequences of or acts. But I also 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.320 want to know where is the line drawing If a 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:48.280 person has been accused or something and those accusations have 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:53.600 been deemed not valid or they have been dismissed, when 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.720 do we give that persons back their reality, give them 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.920 back their humanity. Because once you've been accused of that 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.719 is it hasn't been any You know, no one has 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.360 dropped the charge. Once you've been accused and you guilty 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.520 of you lost your humanity as a man, right, I 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.679 mean when when, if those charges have been dismissed, do 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.560 we give that person back his humanity? Yeah? I mean, 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.879 but then also there are some people who would argue, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.320 what about the humanity of a person who may have 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:28.399 filed claims? And because of the way in which the 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.560 world just operated at one point, and particularly during the 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.560 time when Kobe was accused of this, the athlete, the 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:42.440 star athlete, the celebrity, those types of individuals really were 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.800 they weren't They were like slapped on the wrist. That's 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.320 just the truth. We're in the meto era now, where 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.480 there's been a shift in terms of accountability for sexual 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.280 assault and sexual violence. This is a new day that 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.760 we're living in this moment, living in in this moment. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.639 How do you think that someone like a Bill Cosby 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.879 and Harvey Weinstein and R. Kelly and the list goes 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.960 on and on, the Jeff Epstein's of the world, how 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:13.440 were they able to get away with all that has happened? 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.200 How did that? How did that continue? How did they 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.280 continue to be able to abuse individuals. But even like 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.040 you see, I believe wholeheartedly that everything that R. Kelly 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.920 has been accused of, that he is responsible for. That's 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.280 what I believe. That's my position right. And he was 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.479 doing that at a time when he kept getting slapped 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:40.080 on the wrist. But today under this new me too 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:45.200 movement where women are really coming forward and feeling powerful 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.119 and organized and fighting. Shout out to my sister Toronno Burke, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.720 who started the me too movement about twelve or thirteen 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.080 years ago. And again she started at twelve or thirteen 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.600 years ago, and it took this long for her to 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.879 get the type of a tension and and and to 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.040 be able to have the success with her campaign that 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.600 she has now. So we're living in two different eras 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.440 and now our Kelly is finally in prison, which we 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.640 know he should have been in jail, or at least 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:15.280 I know. I'm not going to speak for you. I 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.520 think that we agree, we've talked about it, but are 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.359 Kelly he should have been in prison? Then he should 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.760 have been in prison for peeing on a fourteen year 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.240 old girl. He should have been in prison for what 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.520 you know, a lot of things that happened, but he's 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.880 just there now. So I just think that we don't know, 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.359 and Kobe Bryant is no longer with us, and I 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.720 don't want to relive or relitigate something that, as you said, 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.560 it was thrown out. We haven't heard from this woman 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.199 in a long time. You know. If if what she 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.320 says did happen to her, then I hope that you 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.119 know she her healing process continues. I really do. But 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.680 at the end of the day, I'm not I am 0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:00.560 not personally prepared to discuss anything. I mean, I'm talking 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.639 about when you know, the dog walking, whatever may have 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.359 gone wrong in your life, when you and your daughter 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.439 blow up in a plane, I think that has to 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:13.200 be some humanity has to be. Humanity is that when 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.840 a person dies, like when we just think about Michael Jackson, 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.879 you know, and then somebody coming out with these allegations 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.320 in the whole movie, when a man is passed, like 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.400 I think for me, it's like some some your death 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.040 should be sacred, you know, if if your situation, whatever 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.680 you were dealing with in your life. See it's hard 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.679 to say, because life should be My life should have 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:40.200 been sacred. So if in fact, you abuse me, that's 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.200 sacred as well. I mean, I think that it's hard 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.640 for us because at this point I can't argue back 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:49.879 for me when I'm no longer here, and you make 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.960 an accusation and you you bet, you gather evidence, and 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.000 you grather all your people that's against me. I I 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.760 don't have an opportunity to fight for myself. So what 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.840 you're doing now, you you you were or you didn't. 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:06.960 You didn't come make these claims, so well, no claims. 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.719 I'm saying you were not able to validate these claims 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.520 during my life. So you utilize my death to validate 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.920 your claims and you destroy my legacy, and you and 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.800 and you, but then my life has been destroyed. I mean, 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.159 I think we could argue this all day, and we 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:27.360 got to move on because you know, it's a sticky situation. 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.760 I think the best way for us to be able 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:33.879 to do, because we can't tell victims how to address 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.920 being victimized. I think what we have to be able 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.560 to do, though, is draw some lines around a box 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.520 and say a man and his daughter blow up in 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:47.840 a plane. Let us have twenty four hours forty eight 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.840 hours before we began to go back and dig up 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:57.600 everything that a person and then the wife who's also 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.080 a husband, and her daughters. Now you so do you it? 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:03.240 Do you care about what she understand that because she's 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.560