Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus and my
Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Rante. This is our podcast about the
Speaker 1: representation of women in movies. You've seen before? You have it? Yeah, Jamie,
Speaker 1: how do you feel the representation of women in mainstream
Speaker 1: American cinema is? I'll tell you what, pretty bad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I would agree, don't care for it. Usually feel it's
Speaker 1: like a bit of a slap in the face, for sure.
Speaker 1: And that conversation just passed the Bechtel test, which is
Speaker 1: the test that we use as just a jumping off
Speaker 1: point to initiate a larger conversation about the representation of
Speaker 1: women in movies. The Bechtel test for us requires that
Speaker 1: the movie has two female I entifying characters in it.
Speaker 1: They have to have names already, Why bothers those characters
Speaker 1: have to speak to each other? That happens, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: the theater. Who wants to watch women talk right, and
Speaker 1: their conversation has to be about anything besides men, sorry,
Speaker 1: talking about food. There's nothing has to talk about right,
Speaker 1: So here here, let's let's play to test the test
Speaker 1: really quick. I'd love to okay, Caitlin, Hey, Jamie, you
Speaker 1: play sports? I do play soccer. Well, I played soccer
Speaker 1: when I was four, but then I got kicked off
Speaker 1: of a youth team, which isn't supposed to be allowed
Speaker 1: to happen to four year old But I what did
Speaker 1: you do to get kicked off the team? Quote refused
Speaker 1: to participate? Unquote I see and quote picked flowers and
Speaker 1: quote through them at the opposing team, which I would
Speaker 1: argue was probably helpful to my team. And they shouldn't
Speaker 1: let me stay, I think, but that may be some
Speaker 1: poor sportsmanship. Well, we'll do matter next time. Sorry, we're
Speaker 1: just done. Women. Shall we introduce please? She's a comedian
Speaker 1: and she's a writer for the Jim Jefferies Show. Suba
Speaker 1: our gar Wall. Hey, welcome, thanks for having me, Thanks
Speaker 1: for being here. So we're talking about Bendett, like Beckham,
Speaker 1: tell us about your history with this movie, your relationship
Speaker 1: to it. When did you first see it? I? Oh,
Speaker 1: I think I was young. I don't remember exactly one,
Speaker 1: but um, it was very relatable. I loved it. It It
Speaker 1: was like, I think it was the first because when
Speaker 1: I was little, the only the brown girl I really saw.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, of course there's Bollywood films, but
Speaker 1: I had no idea what the hell was going on there.
Speaker 1: And then there was Princess Jasmine. And when I was
Speaker 1: super little, I thought I was a princess because I
Speaker 1: saw Jasmine and my dad would call me princess, and
Speaker 1: then all of our white school teachers called my house
Speaker 1: and we're like, is your daughter really a princess? And
Speaker 1: was like, no, soups embarrassing, that's adorable. Though, could have
Speaker 1: just leaned into it, like he just doesn't want people
Speaker 1: to know they're trying to murder me because I'm going
Speaker 1: to inherit the throne. Now I think we were merchants.
Speaker 1: Was our cast? I don't know, but so yeah, back on,
Speaker 1: I absolutely adored it because it kind of became my
Speaker 1: life story with the whole entire double life thing with
Speaker 1: me and stand up where it's like, um, my parents
Speaker 1: took me to my first ever open mic and then
Speaker 1: they forbade me from doing comedy and then I would
Speaker 1: sneak out and say I was going to parties and
Speaker 1: like go out and do shows and stuff. So it
Speaker 1: was very like Backham. They were cool with parties, but
Speaker 1: not well, you have to understand who my friends were. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was such a loser. This is completely true. I
Speaker 1: got into comedy because I thought it would teach me
Speaker 1: how to talk to people. Work even weirder on direction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I've gotten way socially worse since I started
Speaker 1: to stand up. Hey, now I talked, but everything I
Speaker 1: say it's an appropriate perfect I mean, it's more complicated
Speaker 1: than that. But so my friends, this is true. I
Speaker 1: was so awkward and so nerdy that the people who
Speaker 1: took me into their friend circle was this Korean church
Speaker 1: youth group at my school because they saw me and
Speaker 1: it was like adopting strike. Yeah, they took me another
Speaker 1: group and they like let me come to their like
Speaker 1: youth group Friday. So it's like, yeah, we would go
Speaker 1: real crazy. We would do karaoke and like go to
Speaker 1: a hay patch. You were their project, their project. So
Speaker 1: those were the parties that you told your parents you
Speaker 1: were going to and instead you were going out and
Speaker 1: doing stand up. Okay, it is really bend it like
Speaker 1: that up, but I think I like that better. Jamie,
Speaker 1: when did you first see the movie? I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I first saw this movie. I definitely didn't see it
Speaker 1: when it first came out. I would have been tune
Speaker 1: to see it, But I saw it at some point
Speaker 1: in high school. Um. I think that a bunch of
Speaker 1: my friends and I watched it, and it would have
Speaker 1: probably been because we knew by that point who Kira
Speaker 1: Nightly was, and so we were like, oh, you're not
Speaker 1: lisening this movie, we'll watch it, And yeah, I really
Speaker 1: liked it. I've seen it a couple of times over
Speaker 1: the years, and it's always been just like I don't
Speaker 1: know I was. I was a little bit worried, as
Speaker 1: I always am anytime we rewatch a movie with this
Speaker 1: like Lens. I was a little bit weird going into
Speaker 1: it because I didn't remember all the details white and
Speaker 1: usually when that happens, it means that I'm about to
Speaker 1: not love the movie anymore. It's gonna be very upset.
Speaker 1: But this movie held up for me. I thought, I
Speaker 1: I really it's it just warms my heart to feel
Speaker 1: like movie still banks it's right. It's very rare that
Speaker 1: we revisit a movie after having been doing this podcast
Speaker 1: for a while and are able to still enjoy a
Speaker 1: movie so without without like that weird feeling of like
Speaker 1: but astros gast you know, right. So it came on
Speaker 1: two thousand two. I think I saw it shortly after
Speaker 1: it came out. I would have been in high school
Speaker 1: at the time, and I was really at the top
Speaker 1: of my soccer career in that moment. I was a
Speaker 1: captain of my soccer team. I I know, I was
Speaker 1: a left forward. I was scoring goals all the time.
Speaker 1: What does left forward mean is that just I played
Speaker 1: an offensive position, so like upstage, but but I didn't
Speaker 1: drama closer to the traffic line. I would okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So like I would enter the field stage left field, left,
Speaker 1: and um hit the mark. I would hit my mark.
Speaker 1: And yeah. So I'm a huge soccer fan, and so
Speaker 1: I kind of just automatically liked this movie because it
Speaker 1: was about women playing soccer. It was around the time
Speaker 1: in my life where I was like really gung ho
Speaker 1: about soccer, and you could argue that I still am
Speaker 1: because right after this, I'm going to play soccer in Pasadena.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, so um. I really enjoyed this
Speaker 1: movie at the time, and then I would watch it
Speaker 1: here and there. I haven't seen it that many times.
Speaker 1: I loved soccer too. I wanted to be I tried, really,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a professional soccer player, but my
Speaker 1: health and my genetics gotten away. So sorry, did you
Speaker 1: think you're gonna do soccer? You're going to do math.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're physically suited to math. Your bones are
Speaker 1: shaped for this wheel, wheel in desk shape for I mean,
Speaker 1: make no mistake, I'm not good at soccer. I've been
Speaker 1: playing for over twenty five years, so I should be
Speaker 1: much better than I am, and I'm literally still very bad.
Speaker 1: And my problem was I was fat when I was little,
Speaker 1: and then when you're fat and they don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing, they just make you the goalie. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: she doesn't move, and I would get so mad that
Speaker 1: they would put me in goalie because I know what
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is because I'm fat. And then like
Speaker 1: I stopped, I refused to play goalie and I started
Speaker 1: playing these positions. But by the time, my school was
Speaker 1: very competitive, so it was really hard to get on
Speaker 1: the team, and I started working out and I draw
Speaker 1: and I lost all this weight and like I ended
Speaker 1: up like for a soccer for soccer, like wolfer soccer.
Speaker 1: And I was also tired of, you know, not being
Speaker 1: fuckable in the night, Like now it's better, but now
Speaker 1: I'm sure there'd be a dude who's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't have to look like that. I'm totally into you.
Speaker 1: But you know, but then no, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: when you're ye ten in the nineties, it's yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's a so yeah, I lost this wight. I started jogging,
Speaker 1: I started working out and training really hard, and I
Speaker 1: could not catch up. I still couldn't make it, but
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I guess at least I'm not
Speaker 1: going to diet of a heart attack at thirty. I
Speaker 1: guess I'll just be healthy. Into your mouth and I
Speaker 1: was told I was once perfectly physically built to play
Speaker 1: the oboe because I like, when I had a back braise,
Speaker 1: I went to my oboe instructor and I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to tell me to quit because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have to wear a back braid all the time,
Speaker 1: how am I supposed to? And he was like, you
Speaker 1: don't understand what a blessing. This is that the way
Speaker 1: I was leading, like my crooked spine was leaning on
Speaker 1: my lung in such a way that was very advantageous
Speaker 1: to Obo play. So not to brag, that was a gift.
Speaker 1: So we've got an athlete, a musician, and a mathematician.
Speaker 1: We are basically three most fuckable people in the entire world. Um,
Speaker 1: so I'll do the recap recap it u baby, Okay,
Speaker 1: so bend it like Beckham. The movie focuses on a
Speaker 1: character named Jess Bamra. She is a young woman living
Speaker 1: in England with her family, and her parents are immigrants.
Speaker 1: They're Indian and they're this very traditional family and they
Speaker 1: do not like that Jess plays soccer and loves soccer
Speaker 1: and loves David Beckham. And then we meet Jules that's
Speaker 1: Kara Knightley's character. Her mother's all like, try on these
Speaker 1: sexy bras and she's like, I'd rather it's fully like
Speaker 1: calling the manager white lady. Mom. Yeah, right, And Jules
Speaker 1: sees Jess playing soccer in the park and she's like, wow,
Speaker 1: she's really good and she goes up to her and
Speaker 1: Jules was like, hey, you should like try out for
Speaker 1: this women's league that I'm on, and Jesse is like,
Speaker 1: am I good enough for this? And she's like yeah,
Speaker 1: so really far with the gig. So Jess goes and
Speaker 1: tries out and she makes the team. Her coach is
Speaker 1: named Joe and he's played by Jonathan Rees Smyers, and
Speaker 1: he thinks that she's got a lot of potential, but
Speaker 1: her parents don't want her to play anymore, and like
Speaker 1: her sister's gearing up to get married and they're all
Speaker 1: like stressed out because of that. So her sister is
Speaker 1: played by Archie Punjabi, who is my favorite character. I'm
Speaker 1: the Good Wife show that I have seen every episode
Speaker 1: of and remember could tell you zero things that happened
Speaker 1: the entire show. It was like, I have no idea,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I love Archie Enny of Alan Cuming,
Speaker 1: and that's all I know about the show. Who was
Speaker 1: even the lead in that show? Probably a wife that's
Speaker 1: good Julianna Margolie's trick questions a good job anyways? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: quite really quick, Alfred Molina mentioned please Chris know a
Speaker 1: k Mr Big plays the husband in the Good Wife,
Speaker 1: and Chris not as we all know, is the poor
Speaker 1: man's Alfred Molina I said it. Yeah, okay, okay, I
Speaker 1: can do. I'm glad we got that out there. So
Speaker 1: Jess has to lie to her parents and like tell
Speaker 1: them that she's got a job so that she can
Speaker 1: start playing on this women's league women's side. I don't
Speaker 1: know club club soccer. They're British and they use words
Speaker 1: that I don't want to understand. And then Jules and
Speaker 1: just develop a close friendship, and then they're both interested
Speaker 1: in their coach Joe and tell each other for a
Speaker 1: long time, right or they like they're only like kind
Speaker 1: of hinting at it. But like there's a million times
Speaker 1: where Kara and Knightley is like, I didn't know whatever,
Speaker 1: and Jess is like, okay, you know, Jess plays it
Speaker 1: way cooler than Kia Knightley. Kia Knightley is spazzing out anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have never played it cool, not once. It's really
Speaker 1: hard being chill for you. On a second, Oh, I
Speaker 1: can't relate. So different things happen. Like there's a moment
Speaker 1: where like Jess and Jewels are like kind of laughing
Speaker 1: and hugging, and like a family friend drives by and
Speaker 1: they think that Jesse is kissing someone, so like they
Speaker 1: tell her family and then the wedding gets called off
Speaker 1: because that's very frowned upon in the community. Jess has
Speaker 1: to like sneak off to Germany to play a game,
Speaker 1: and she has her sister cover for her. But like
Speaker 1: all this stuff gets revealed that she has been playing
Speaker 1: and her parents like forbid her from continuing to play.
Speaker 1: But then she just keeps at it. She keeps lying.
Speaker 1: She committed to lie. She and Joe almost kiss for
Speaker 1: a moment, and then like Jess walks in on them,
Speaker 1: and then that creates some tension between them. Finally, her parents,
Speaker 1: I think they find out about the Germany trip and
Speaker 1: they like forbid her from ever playing soccer again. It
Speaker 1: gets kind of convolated because it happens a bunch of
Speaker 1: different times where it's like I think that the big
Speaker 1: plot points go, like, they think she's gay, they capture
Speaker 1: playing soccer, they think she's gay playing soccer. They think
Speaker 1: she's gay, they let her play soccer. The movie's over,
Speaker 1: but it is kind of like the same two conflicts
Speaker 1: that keep sort of manifesting in different ways, right, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So by the end, there is this like big tournament
Speaker 1: game that there's like an American scout going to be
Speaker 1: at who has his eye on both Jess and Jewels.
Speaker 1: But that's the same day of Jesse's sister's wedding, which
Speaker 1: gets are fighting fighting over this man, and we'll get
Speaker 1: there because I'm like, should he be dating any of
Speaker 1: these girls? That doesn't seem like you should, right, But
Speaker 1: the movie does not acknowledge that the characters do. They
Speaker 1: keep saying yeah, like he's off limits, but then they
Speaker 1: go for it anyway. But then he's like, j K,
Speaker 1: I'm not like they're the reasons I thought he was
Speaker 1: off limits and the reasons they thought he was off
Speaker 1: limits were different reasons. I thought it was an age thing.
Speaker 1: But he's just like, oh no, I'm your coach. Oh right,
Speaker 1: because they're they're meant to be in their late teens,
Speaker 1: like about to go to you. They're on like some yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like it's like summer Bread looks young too. It's
Speaker 1: not that I hope so he could also be like
Speaker 1: twenty four though, and they're like eighteen. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, I I don't think laws are
Speaker 1: being broken. It's just a little weird slightly Um yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we'll get into that went off. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you should be um. So the final kind
Speaker 1: of big moment in the story is that she's at
Speaker 1: her sister wedding and has decided, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: can't play soccer anymore because my parents forbid it. But
Speaker 1: then her dad finally gives her his blessing because he
Speaker 1: had seen her play in a game and like recognizes
Speaker 1: her talent. So he's like, go off, and if this
Speaker 1: is going to make you happy, go do it. So
Speaker 1: she leaves the wedding, goes and plays like the second
Speaker 1: half of this soccer game, scores the winning goal. The
Speaker 1: scouts sees her and he's like, wow, great, let's send
Speaker 1: you off to America, you know, the country that loves
Speaker 1: soccer and that there are so many opportunities for soccer
Speaker 1: players at Oh I didn't even think of that. There's
Speaker 1: so many times in this movie where these characters in
Speaker 1: the UK are like, we can't play soccer here, we
Speaker 1: have to go to America in order to like make
Speaker 1: a living at soccer, and it's like, is that that
Speaker 1: might have been true? But also like the US like
Speaker 1: hates soccer and women athletes and seems like a real
Speaker 1: blanket lose. Maybe that's the movie being like, we want
Speaker 1: to get international distribution. Maybe if we just compliment America
Speaker 1: a bunch of times, they'll be like, okay, well, and
Speaker 1: that must have worked because we've seen it and this
Speaker 1: movie was financially huge success. Six million dollar budget, seventy
Speaker 1: seven million dollar box off box office, so they got him.
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous of that one part of the movie
Speaker 1: because our stories are pretty similar with the whole like
Speaker 1: double life, lying blah blah blag ruining whatever. And then
Speaker 1: like the port where her dad's like I saw her
Speaker 1: and she's so talented, Like I never got that moment.
Speaker 1: My mom has never been like your dick joke was
Speaker 1: so well crested. I can't hold you back from the world.
Speaker 1: There was more of I'm not going to stop doing this.
Speaker 1: So they have kind to accept it, but they're not
Speaker 1: necessarily they are not on board. She tries, bless her
Speaker 1: heart in this day. Yeah, she even tries because she
Speaker 1: won't see I won't let her it into a show.
Speaker 1: I mean, if she does, maybe one day, but I
Speaker 1: need a heads up, and it's gonna be a whole
Speaker 1: different set and it's gonna be super annoying um, but
Speaker 1: like she tries to watch stuff online or like she
Speaker 1: tried to watch the Gym Jeffrey Show, which is gonna
Speaker 1: be like news based, and she's like, I didn't like
Speaker 1: current events and she was like, I tried to watch
Speaker 1: it while I was fooling my laundries. So I tried.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, thanks mom, thank you. Every time
Speaker 1: she tries, it's just way worse. Like she tried to
Speaker 1: watch me I got head like a small non speaking
Speaker 1: role on the front show, and she's like, why did
Speaker 1: you look fat and nervous? And I was like I
Speaker 1: was I could not look nervous. I didn't have any
Speaker 1: lines and what do you mean fat? She's like she
Speaker 1: just was like, am I just skinnier in knee life?
Speaker 1: And I'm like what I very? Your mom sounds like
Speaker 1: a very chill. She just has no fill. I mean,
Speaker 1: I adhore it. I think it's really funny because she
Speaker 1: has no filter. It's like and it like taught me
Speaker 1: to be like I'm still very. I mean I would
Speaker 1: like to be less sensitive, but what little insensitivity I
Speaker 1: have to be? Like escrew it. It's like because my
Speaker 1: mom has just been talking the entire time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I was some weird egg on Twitter. Wants to call
Speaker 1: me a horror I'm like, well, get in line after
Speaker 1: my mom. My mom's the ultimate egg. Come at my mom.
Speaker 1: Does your mom member make comments on like your job? No,
Speaker 1: She's been surprisingly supportive from the get go. She did
Speaker 1: question whether or not I'd be able to ever make
Speaker 1: a living at it, and when I did decide to
Speaker 1: go to grad school to get a master's degree in
Speaker 1: screenwriting from Boston University, I hate to bring it up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if anyone knows this about me,
Speaker 1: because I would never mention it. But my mom she
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I don't know if that's a good
Speaker 1: idea of Caitlin. Um. You already don't use your first
Speaker 1: film degree, so like what are you thinking? And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, this is really going to work out.
Speaker 1: And look at me now we've got a movie podcast
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, I'm trying to draw okay, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My mom just sometimes will like look at something I did,
Speaker 1: or like not even the full thing, like an image
Speaker 1: of it, which she'll be like, I just it's just disgusting.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, your issue with it is that it's disgusting
Speaker 1: to you. And she's like it's good and I'm glad people,
Speaker 1: but I find it disgusting. So cool, cool, I gotta
Speaker 1: love our mom's I love I love an unfiltered mom. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the very end of the story is, so she
Speaker 1: leaves the wedding to go play soccer. She gets recognized
Speaker 1: as being a very talented player, goes off to the
Speaker 1: US to play soccer in this you know, wonderful haven
Speaker 1: that is this country that loves the sport of soccer
Speaker 1: and loves female athlete, but not before a weird last
Speaker 1: minute airport kiss. There's an airport kiss, and her parents
Speaker 1: like finally she gives a speech, and then her dad
Speaker 1: kind of was like, yeah, like we should let her
Speaker 1: be being do it she wants. And then she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanna this is like what's gonna make me happy,
Speaker 1: so please let me make this choice. And her family
Speaker 1: comes around, and then like she and Jules makeup and
Speaker 1: they go off to play soccer together, but not before
Speaker 1: there's a heatero kiss, and then that's pretty much the
Speaker 1: end of the movie. Let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: then we will be right back and we're back. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I had to go score some goals. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: only get one point in soccer right at a time.
Speaker 1: At a time, yes, okay, mean total one goal, close
Speaker 1: one point? Quit it right. There is a quaffle, there
Speaker 1: is a snitch, there are some bloodguers, and yeah, I'm exhausted.
Speaker 1: I don't want to like go right to the end.
Speaker 1: But the logic of the airport kissing, it's so clearly
Speaker 1: like to that I'm just like they got a note,
Speaker 1: like they gotta note that. They're like, we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta see a kiss by the end of the movie.
Speaker 1: But the logic of that scene is so weird because
Speaker 1: I feel like, based on everything we know about Jesse's
Speaker 1: family in this entire movie, they would not be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, definitely make out with this guy at the airport.
Speaker 1: But the guy enters behind the family, and we're to
Speaker 1: believe the family just doesn't turn around, because this whole
Speaker 1: scene takes place behind both families, Jesse's family and Jules's family,
Speaker 1: and in front of Jules where you know she just
Speaker 1: made up, but the reason they were fighting was this guy.
Speaker 1: And like it's pretty like like Jess, that's a move
Speaker 1: to just be like, remember this guy who didn't want
Speaker 1: to fuck you feel like has like that and then
Speaker 1: and then I don't know, I was just like the
Speaker 1: logic of that scene was wild. It feels very tecked
Speaker 1: on and like it wasn't given that much thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where they're just like, oh, well, just everyone who isn't
Speaker 1: indirectly evolved in the kiss avert your eyes as if
Speaker 1: this is something that would happen. Very weird. So the
Speaker 1: first thing I just want to mention about this movie
Speaker 1: is that it is a movie about an Indian woman
Speaker 1: directed by an Indian woman get Out. Yeah. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that her name, and I am afraid I'm going
Speaker 1: to mispronounce it, but it's um grinder Chattah. She also
Speaker 1: co wrote it with another Indian woman and her husband.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were married at the time,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so it's those people involved. It's also several
Speaker 1: of the producers are Indian and um, like the cinematographer
Speaker 1: is an Asian man. So it's like, yeah, we so
Speaker 1: rare really come across this because oftentimes, if there's a
Speaker 1: movie that does tell the story of a person who
Speaker 1: is marginalized, Scarlett handsome place to lead and it was
Speaker 1: directed and produced and written by exclusively straight CIS white men,
Speaker 1: and the best friend is played by Emma Stone and
Speaker 1: the person who just simply doesn't know exactly. I think
Speaker 1: that has a lot The fact that this movie holds
Speaker 1: up well. And that's not to say that this movie
Speaker 1: is perfect, that it doesn't mishandle some things here and there,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, but I think the fact that
Speaker 1: it holds up as well as it does and handles
Speaker 1: the issues that this movie brings up because it was
Speaker 1: made by someone who shares the experience of the character. So, um,
Speaker 1: she directed a lot of films I like, I just said,
Speaker 1: films like I'm sucking a genius. Okay, she's directed Bennett
Speaker 1: like Beckham, Bride and Prejudice and Angus Thongs and Perfect Snogging,
Speaker 1: a book series and a movie I really liked. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we talked about on the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants episode. Um,
Speaker 1: so there you go. So just get that in mind,
Speaker 1: because this is a movie that like explores a lot
Speaker 1: of different things in terms of like a woman of
Speaker 1: color coming from a family of immigrants, having to deal
Speaker 1: with racism, having to deal with sexism because she's existing
Speaker 1: mostly in like a straight male, white space. There's different
Speaker 1: things where she's self conscious about her body and different
Speaker 1: things where her family, you know, has a very specific
Speaker 1: idea of what she should and should not be doing,
Speaker 1: a very specific idea of who she should and should
Speaker 1: not be romantically involved with. So she's dealing with all
Speaker 1: of these things, and she you know, finds herself at
Speaker 1: the intersection of being a woman, being a person of color,
Speaker 1: being a female athlete, and just the idea of like
Speaker 1: femininity and masculinity and like how people perceive that to
Speaker 1: relate to sexual identity and like different things like that.
Speaker 1: So this movie like tackles a lot of really interesting things,
Speaker 1: but it's so fun and it's funny when you was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: it really does tackle all that stuff, but it's so
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It doesn't feel I don't know, for me,
Speaker 1: it doesn't beat you over the head with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like kind of limited. Yeah, it's cool. And
Speaker 1: and also just god watching Jess have to deal with
Speaker 1: so many things when you're just like, she's a good kid,
Speaker 1: a kid just trying to pursue an extracurricular to save
Speaker 1: her a lot, right, So, yeah, her sort of history
Speaker 1: is that she has played soccer in a park mostly
Speaker 1: with men. I think all of them are Indian men.
Speaker 1: If I'm not, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. They have like
Speaker 1: a friendly rapport, but they also like will make sexist
Speaker 1: comments to her a lot, where you know, they talk
Speaker 1: about like her hitting the ball, like the soccer ball
Speaker 1: with her chest and like how like how can you
Speaker 1: do that when you've got and then like later, but
Speaker 1: you do it anyway, right, yeah, because women have a
Speaker 1: higher threshold for pay. Later in the story, is revealed
Speaker 1: that she has like a burn scar on her leg,
Speaker 1: which she is ashamed about, and we realized that probably
Speaker 1: one of the reasons she's ashamed about this is because
Speaker 1: her mother makes her feel shame about it, because she's like, like,
Speaker 1: how can you be showing your legs in front of
Speaker 1: all these men, Like you should cover that up, And
Speaker 1: then like the guys who she plays soccer with their like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's disgusting, Like, oh god. And every
Speaker 1: time she's confronted with anything like that, like any sort
Speaker 1: of sexism, she challenges it, which is a really nice
Speaker 1: thing to see because usually in movies a character will
Speaker 1: say a really horribly sexist thing and no one's even
Speaker 1: aware that it was sexist. The character is just barrel
Speaker 1: through and it goes unchallenged. Yeah, at the beginning, watching
Speaker 1: Jess play soccer with the guys and like they were
Speaker 1: giving her a lot of ship, But it felt like
Speaker 1: so much in this movie feels so like realistic in
Speaker 1: way is that team movies rarely do where they're being
Speaker 1: sexist towards her. But you can all you can also
Speaker 1: because I'm sure like we've all had this experience, you
Speaker 1: can also understand why she stays because they're awful to her,
Speaker 1: but they also know she's a good player. There's where
Speaker 1: else is she going to go? Like, there's there's all
Speaker 1: these like dynamics that play where I don't even think
Speaker 1: that just like dislikes those guys. But it's like if
Speaker 1: she wants to play at the beginning of the movie,
Speaker 1: that's the only way she knows how, And so she
Speaker 1: challenges it and then compartmentalizes it sort of on and
Speaker 1: off in a way that felt, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: reminded me of being a teenager in any male dominated
Speaker 1: teen space. Yeah, you're just like, Okay, this is the
Speaker 1: battle I'm going to push back on, and this is
Speaker 1: the one where I'm just gonna pretend I didn't hear anything, right,
Speaker 1: because she doesn't have any other options to play until
Speaker 1: she gets sort of recruited to be on this team, which,
Speaker 1: like Karen Nitley's character says like, oh, they finally let
Speaker 1: us like form women's side, and it sounds like you're
Speaker 1: in Nightly. I think Jewels, I think says, or maybe
Speaker 1: Joe says this, that it was like Jewels was the
Speaker 1: one who's really really pushing for because he was playing
Speaker 1: for the men's club and she was hanging around, right,
Speaker 1: and so she just I like to imagine her like
Speaker 1: lingering around and then waiting for one of the men
Speaker 1: to get injured and be like, you're our coach now
Speaker 1: because he couldn't play anymore, so he had to coach.
Speaker 1: And I think she just like scooped him up and
Speaker 1: was like, you were my coach now, thank you job.
Speaker 1: She just purposely Tanya Harding is one of them. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry your knees are gone better coach me and
Speaker 1: a bunch of other ladies. I love that fan theory.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he doesn't want to date her. It's
Speaker 1: like you hired someone to bash my knee in and
Speaker 1: she's like, it was never proven, and it's never proven.
Speaker 1: Cre knightly glue him straight up. There is a character
Speaker 1: among the men that she plays with in the park
Speaker 1: named Tony, who is a close friend of her feminist
Speaker 1: icon queer icon because later in the movie he comes
Speaker 1: out to her, I forgot about that, so did I. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So basically anytime she's confronted with any sort of misogyny
Speaker 1: or racism, Like there's a moment towards the end when
Speaker 1: they're playing a game and one of the players on
Speaker 1: the opposing team calls her like a slur for Pakistani people,
Speaker 1: and then she like she sort of pushes and kind
Speaker 1: of comes at the player who did this, and then
Speaker 1: she gets a red card and then her coach, Joe
Speaker 1: like yells at her for doing that, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you don't understand, like this person like called me a
Speaker 1: slur and she's like, well, you wouldn't get it, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm Irish, so yeah, I get it. And
Speaker 1: then that goes on challenge and I'm just like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure I people in England do experience some
Speaker 1: sort of prejudice, but it seemed kind of apples and oranges. Yeah, Ok,
Speaker 1: that was like one of the few moments of the
Speaker 1: movie where else like I didn't like how that there,
Speaker 1: and just the way it played out felt weird and
Speaker 1: not not quite lining up with like what it seems
Speaker 1: like the characters would expect the joke character because like,
Speaker 1: it makes sense that Jeff got angry then that happened,
Speaker 1: and but it didn't make sense to me that if
Speaker 1: he knew that that he would yell at her, because
Speaker 1: that's not really didn't seem like the kind of person
Speaker 1: he was. And then even after she explained it, he
Speaker 1: was kind of just like, I'm irish, We've got to
Speaker 1: like something a white dude would do to me ore,
Speaker 1: Like I could see that happening. Absolutely. I think it
Speaker 1: just came as a surprise to me that she didn't
Speaker 1: say like no, like it's not the same, like you're
Speaker 1: still a white man. Yeah, I guess it's like when
Speaker 1: he said that, I think that it was like, and
Speaker 1: now that issue is resolved, it doesn't seem like they
Speaker 1: really talked about it. I don't know, but um, anyway,
Speaker 1: So my point is I really enjoyed seeing any time
Speaker 1: she experienced, you know, for the most part, racism sexism, etcetera.
Speaker 1: She challenges it and it's just a really cool thing
Speaker 1: to see in a movie. I also wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about the idea of like femininity and how that's an
Speaker 1: expectation of like especially for jewels. That was interesting for
Speaker 1: me because that was the one part was not my
Speaker 1: background at all. It was to an extent where it's
Speaker 1: like because I think it was my dad wanted a boy,
Speaker 1: and so my mom was like, I would just treat
Speaker 1: her like a little dude. It's the same ship. So
Speaker 1: like I grew up a tomboy for that reason, because
Speaker 1: I would watch sports with my dad. I would watch wrestling.
Speaker 1: I was super aggressive. My brother had my mom's personality
Speaker 1: where he was very patient and calm, and I was
Speaker 1: just a lunatic, like I just came out of the
Speaker 1: womb in insane person smashing bottles. But like it was
Speaker 1: so it was like me and my dad got along.
Speaker 1: But as soon as I got close to puberty and
Speaker 1: my parents tried. Obviously they failed, but they were like,
Speaker 1: you can't talk to men outside the classroom. You can
Speaker 1: only talk to them in like an educational setting in
Speaker 1: about school. Obviously, I lied straight to their face right away,
Speaker 1: it was just it was like this weird thing where
Speaker 1: like I used to like wear baggy overalls like and
Speaker 1: then on top of it, I would wear sports jersey
Speaker 1: like that was my m O. And then it wasn't
Speaker 1: until like I guess my hormones started kicking in and
Speaker 1: I wanted attention for men that I was like, ah, ship,
Speaker 1: I can't dress like you anymore. And then I started
Speaker 1: like re eating like teen Vogue and like trying to
Speaker 1: do the face makeup that they told you to do,
Speaker 1: and it was just god awful. Oh yeah, it didn't
Speaker 1: make sense. God, I used to I still have like
Speaker 1: just like all these members of like a specific issue
Speaker 1: of teen Vogue where it like would tell you what
Speaker 1: shape your body was, and it was like three of
Speaker 1: like the same shape. And then it was like garbage,
Speaker 1: like a pile of garbage. And the end you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: well that's me there. I am feeling scene. Hey, you
Speaker 1: play the Obo so well. I should I should have
Speaker 1: asked my Obo and Stark Toorker for a body image advice.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you and your crushed lung or dope, great,
Speaker 1: um a curvy spine. What you need is an a
Speaker 1: line skirt and it's fine, but no. So like in
Speaker 1: the first scene that we meet Jewels in like, her
Speaker 1: mother is taking her bra shopping and she keeps saying like,
Speaker 1: oh these bras, will you know, booster cleavage and like,
Speaker 1: and then Jewels has no interest in presenting as feminine
Speaker 1: or like, you know, wearing quote unquote girly things or
Speaker 1: like lacey bras or anything like that, so she goes
Speaker 1: over to the sports bra section and this sort of
Speaker 1: sets up an ongoing struggle between her and her mother
Speaker 1: throughout the movie where her mom, you know, wants her
Speaker 1: to be more feminine, wants her to be girlier, doesn't
Speaker 1: like that she plays soccer foot football. Um, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't like forbid Jewels from playing it like Jesse's parents do. Um.
Speaker 1: But she's just like, oh, you know, if you just
Speaker 1: like dressed differently, you know, boys would like you. And
Speaker 1: Jules meanwhile, is just like, I don't care about that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna wear what I want to wear. I
Speaker 1: don't feel the need to present as super super feminine
Speaker 1: in like the clothes I wear and like my hairstyle
Speaker 1: and things like that. And it seems like part of
Speaker 1: the reason Jules's mom puts up with it is because
Speaker 1: Jules's dad feels so differently, where like Jules's dad is
Speaker 1: very supportive of Jules playing soccer, I think partially because
Speaker 1: he really likes soccer, so he's like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: works out is a common interest, and that's it seems
Speaker 1: like part of the reason why Jules gets to continue
Speaker 1: playing in a way that Jess doesn't, because Jess doesn't
Speaker 1: really have a parental ally until the very end. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering how you both felt about this, But I felt
Speaker 1: like the way that Jules's mom forced femininity and and
Speaker 1: I think kind of a very stereotypically hetero form of
Speaker 1: femininity fed right into like the way that this movie
Speaker 1: deals with like queer panic. Because Jules's mom, it comes
Speaker 1: up with her, I feel like, almost more so than
Speaker 1: any other character, and it comes up with a lot
Speaker 1: of people. There's a moment at the climax of the
Speaker 1: movie where Jules's mom gets so upset thinking that Jess
Speaker 1: and Jules are queer and they're together that she crashes
Speaker 1: a wedding, which is like, that's bananas. There's the moment
Speaker 1: where she hears Jess and Jules arguing and the way
Speaker 1: the scene is presented him like, is they're actually arguing
Speaker 1: about a boy. So it's okay, and I don't love
Speaker 1: how that's presented, but they're actually arguing over Joe. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like mishearing mishaps in this movie,
Speaker 1: and Jules's mom things they're arguing about their relationship. She
Speaker 1: goes downstairs and bursts into tears. Uh, And it's like
Speaker 1: freaking out with Jules's dad. That see, I thought was
Speaker 1: a little bit better. The climactic wedding crash er queer
Speaker 1: panics seemed seemed a little bit out of nowhere because
Speaker 1: Jules's mom in kind of like two thirds through the
Speaker 1: movie is like, actually, I like soccer and I want
Speaker 1: to understand it and I respect your choices. But then
Speaker 1: freaks out again. But so that was a little weird.
Speaker 1: But but the first time she significantly panics thinking that
Speaker 1: Jules is queer, um, she at least contextualizes it and
Speaker 1: explains part of the reason why she's so nervous. And
Speaker 1: she cites George Michael and how George Michael was treated
Speaker 1: in the media for being gay and she worries that
Speaker 1: and it's a silly example, but the way she explains
Speaker 1: it does make sense in like panicked mom logic of
Speaker 1: like I've seen someone who I like, George Michael, be
Speaker 1: abused in the media for being gay, and what if
Speaker 1: that happens to my kid? And that's sort of when
Speaker 1: she said it that way, I was like, Okay, that
Speaker 1: is like a really good move by this movie to
Speaker 1: contextualize the panic a little bit. She's still wrong, but
Speaker 1: at least we understand a little bit better why. I
Speaker 1: also got the sense though, that that was only part
Speaker 1: of her reasoning for being so upset by it, which
Speaker 1: we learned later when she yells, get your lesbian feet
Speaker 1: out of my shoes, like, there's still certainly some like
Speaker 1: homophobia there and it might not be the worst case
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, but like she regardless, she is a
Speaker 1: very upset by her thinking that she might have a
Speaker 1: daughter who is a lesbian. Yeah, she's and I think
Speaker 1: she would be upset about that, you know today, like
Speaker 1: even if you know, like, yeah, she still has her
Speaker 1: own hang ups because get your lesbian feet out of
Speaker 1: my shoes, like okay, Well, she's also she's problematic in
Speaker 1: other ways because she does a few microaggressions towards Jess,
Speaker 1: where like whenever she first meets Jess, when they're in
Speaker 1: like Jules's room, she learns her name and she's like, oh, Jess,
Speaker 1: is that Indian, basically saying like that doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: an Indian name, Like what what I don't understand? And
Speaker 1: then she says something like I hope you teach my
Speaker 1: daughter a bit about your culture, you know, to respect
Speaker 1: your elders. And then she says, Oh, you're a lucky girl,
Speaker 1: because I expect that your parents are fixing you up
Speaker 1: with a handsome young doctor soon, aren't they. So just
Speaker 1: like taking stereotypes that she knows about Indian culture and
Speaker 1: just assuming that they apply to Jess. And this is
Speaker 1: an example of a time where like Jess doesn't challenge it,
Speaker 1: but it makes perfect sense. Why, Like you don't want
Speaker 1: to like your friend whose mom you've just met, you're
Speaker 1: not going to like necessarily stand up and be like, um, actually,
Speaker 1: here's all the things that are problematic about everything you
Speaker 1: just said. So that like tracked for me, But it
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, this is all to say that
Speaker 1: I think all the characters in this movie are like
Speaker 1: characterized very well. They feel like real people. Thought and
Speaker 1: time was put into developing them. So even though like
Speaker 1: Jules Mom is problematic in many ways, the movie handles
Speaker 1: it in such a way where we the audience realize
Speaker 1: what she's saying is problematic, wherein a lot of movies
Speaker 1: that care and time isn't bothered with at all. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there are people like her, like like Jules Mom,
Speaker 1: like we've met them. But yeah, it's just I find
Speaker 1: it interesting that each of these characters, problematic though they
Speaker 1: may be, are still developed in such a way by
Speaker 1: like the writers that they're used to like demonstrate the
Speaker 1: biases and the microaggressions and stuff like that a character
Speaker 1: or a person like Jess would experience. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was all handled very well. Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: I have to go score some more goals and then
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. I wanted to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the I mean, I don't have that much
Speaker 1: to say because I'm not super critical of it, but
Speaker 1: just saying that the team dynamic um inside of the
Speaker 1: team that Joe coaches that Chess and Jewels are a
Speaker 1: part of is like a really positive community. They're all
Speaker 1: generally very supportive of each other. They'll like dig get
Speaker 1: each other sometimes, but it's in a very friendly way
Speaker 1: most of the time. There's a scene that I really
Speaker 1: liked where Mel, the captain of the team Jewels, and
Speaker 1: a few other teammates ask Jess questions about her culture
Speaker 1: because they just don't know, Like they don't understand why
Speaker 1: is she not allowed to play soccer? What like like
Speaker 1: what are the cultures rules around dating? Like they just
Speaker 1: don't know. So they ask in a way that I thought,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm not told, but it seems like
Speaker 1: like a very respectful conversation. They asked respectfully she answered,
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, we know. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's good. That seems like how that should go, especially
Speaker 1: when you contrast that with how Jewels is. Um approaches
Speaker 1: those same sort of topics where she's like making assumptions
Speaker 1: and then being like, well, this is how it must
Speaker 1: be for you. So I already know everything and I
Speaker 1: don't need to ask questions because I got this, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, so I think I agree that.
Speaker 1: I think those were handled better, and yeah, I enjoyed
Speaker 1: that scene. I also like the scene where um she
Speaker 1: has to get back to her wedding like her sister's
Speaker 1: wedding at the end, so her teammates are helping her
Speaker 1: put on Yeah that I still I don't know how
Speaker 1: to wear one of those things, but everyone on the
Speaker 1: team did so. But it's like even that to put
Speaker 1: it on me. It's not sweet though that it feels
Speaker 1: weird as an adult to have your mom come behind
Speaker 1: you because she has to put it on, like she's
Speaker 1: putting it on. That's how she knows, like you know
Speaker 1: some people. So it's just a very like like but
Speaker 1: pottery scene from Ghost where my mom was just wrapping
Speaker 1: her arms around me and like folding a sorry, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is uncomfortable. So that's great. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful just go staying with your own mom
Speaker 1: with the same song playing in the background, the whole
Speaker 1: fully unchained melody. Another thing I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: is this is a movie about women's sports, A woman
Speaker 1: in sports Goals Kicking. This is to say that there
Speaker 1: are not that many movies about female athletes women playing sports.
Speaker 1: A few examples include, aside from Bennett, like Beckham, a
Speaker 1: league of their own, stick it, bring it on, whip it.
Speaker 1: A lot of them have it. And then because you
Speaker 1: get say, well, I guess if you replace it with her,
Speaker 1: that would be bad, never mind it being the sport
Speaker 1: or the the ball. Gotta Kick it Up is another one.
Speaker 1: An they've got like Blue Crush, Million Dollar Baby, Girl, Fight,
Speaker 1: Love and Basketball, She's the Man I Tania, And then
Speaker 1: a few lesser known ones that I found out via
Speaker 1: a very thorough Google search, like Gracy Personal Best Ice, Princess,
Speaker 1: The Cutting Edge, Princess Rules never lesser known. Well, if
Speaker 1: these are like Disney Channel originals, which I feel like
Speaker 1: some of these are, I don't know what they are. Um,
Speaker 1: Double Team is another one. So this is like roughly
Speaker 1: twenty movies throughout the course of history that are well
Speaker 1: known enough that they show up in a Google search,
Speaker 1: versus like eight thousand movies about men playing sports. So
Speaker 1: I mean we see this all the time, where like
Speaker 1: biopics of them are about men much fewer or about women. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, movies about the mill Terry, almost all of
Speaker 1: them feature male characters, know them about women in the military.
Speaker 1: So it's like, and that's a media issue where I
Speaker 1: feel like that The counter argument that I can hear
Speaker 1: my cousin saying is like, well, people don't watch women's
Speaker 1: sports as much. But that is like snake eating its
Speaker 1: own tail. A game, it's a movie. I'm not bend
Speaker 1: it like Beckham. Wasn't just like a filmed soccer match, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like if young women don't see female athletes
Speaker 1: depicted on screen in the like celebratory way that it
Speaker 1: is and bend it like Beckham when they're younger, then
Speaker 1: they're probably less likely to want to play that sport,
Speaker 1: like that's a proven thing over and over. Why does
Speaker 1: so many little girls want to be princesses? Because that's
Speaker 1: what they see. And so it's like if they see
Speaker 1: other stuff, then of course, you know, the cultural landscape
Speaker 1: will gradually shift. And so maybe I wouldn't hate sports
Speaker 1: balls so much if there were movies of women doing
Speaker 1: it more. Well, you would have liked hoop goals more.
Speaker 1: If I had been, I would have been slamming hoop goals.
Speaker 1: We've been kicking the basketball. Gotta kick it up, Gotta
Speaker 1: kick that basketball up into the air for crying out loud. Also,
Speaker 1: a lot of the movies that I named are about
Speaker 1: sports that I would say are at least perceived to
Speaker 1: be more feminine because it's either dancing, figure skating, gymnastics.
Speaker 1: A couple of them are like we dominated sports right,
Speaker 1: A couple of them are like League of their Owners baseball,
Speaker 1: A couple of them are about boxing, some of them
Speaker 1: about basketball. But yeah, I feel like, if you're going
Speaker 1: to have a mainstream movie about women doing a sport
Speaker 1: that is commercially successful, chances are it's like cheerleading or
Speaker 1: like figure skating or something that we as a society
Speaker 1: already are okay with women doing. I think the ones
Speaker 1: like Bennett, like Beckham, or a League of their own,
Speaker 1: or more outliers like even though they were, you know,
Speaker 1: they're popular movies. They hold up, but they're not the rule.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Yeah, I think I tend to
Speaker 1: not like sports movies very much, especially like I nothing
Speaker 1: will ever make me enjoy a boxing movie, except I
Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy Girl Fight. I like sports movies, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I grew up watching it. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about it. Have there been more movies about
Speaker 1: dogs in sports? Because of all the Airbud sequels. I
Speaker 1: bet there are more Airbud movies than there are movies
Speaker 1: featuring female athletes. I've for sure seen a movie about
Speaker 1: a monkey playing hockey called m v P most valuable
Speaker 1: primate more than movies about women playing sports. That said
Speaker 1: highly recommended that mates are going to grow up to
Speaker 1: play hockey because they got exposed to it. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's why there's so many professional monkey hock players
Speaker 1: right now, because media is influential. I keep saying it.
Speaker 1: It is a two thousand feature film that sparked the
Speaker 1: m v P franchise. The film's title character, it's Jack
Speaker 1: is a chimpanze. What else does you play in future movies?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Okay, okay, m v P two is skateboarding,
Speaker 1: most vertical private, but that the last one is X
Speaker 1: game themed, most extreme print. That's that's m XP. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a different but it's the third one. We
Speaker 1: already know. It's a proven product. Okay, well now, oh
Speaker 1: and it is up an extension of the Airbud franchise.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Well, thank goodness for you know, animals
Speaker 1: and sports and all the representation that they get. Um.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the love Triangle. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would argue that it kind of has no place in
Speaker 1: this movie. I don't like that it's there. I it
Speaker 1: why it's there. It's it's a way to heighten the
Speaker 1: tension of the story and to introduce more conflict, but
Speaker 1: to me, it just kind of cheapens the whole narrative
Speaker 1: because so it's Joe is their coach. They both develop
Speaker 1: an interest in him, which to me makes sense. You know,
Speaker 1: he's cute, he's respectful of them. He like, if you
Speaker 1: watch Million Dollar Baby, Clint Eastwood is over here being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't teach girls because I don't think they're people.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this similar thing happens in Girl Fight,
Speaker 1: where like male sporty mentors are like reluctant to teach
Speaker 1: girls how to sport, but in this movie, he's just like, Yep,
Speaker 1: this is my job and I'm fine with it, and
Speaker 1: I'm respectful of all the women on this team. So
Speaker 1: that was nice to see. So at least attracts why
Speaker 1: they would be interested in him, because he's you know,
Speaker 1: nice to them and he's respectful of them. But they
Speaker 1: both have a crush on him, and it drives a
Speaker 1: wedge between their friendship, which is like his just become
Speaker 1: such a lazy writing move. Yeah, it's just and it's
Speaker 1: not even like the joke character that I had a
Speaker 1: particular issue with I thought it was like, in some
Speaker 1: ways positive to see a man fully comfortable with and
Speaker 1: acknowledging the skills of a woman is equal to his own.
Speaker 1: Like I think that there was like that's a generally
Speaker 1: good thing to see, especially in a sports movie. I'm guessing,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, like that they're all the scenes
Speaker 1: between Jess and Jewels, they just felt like a little
Speaker 1: weird of like I don't I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: like that whole Cure Nightley bursting onto a balcony and
Speaker 1: going you bid. And also I'm like, would Jesse have
Speaker 1: kissed her coach at a club? I mean maybe, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It just felt it did feel like a
Speaker 1: little cheap. And with the wide array of things like
Speaker 1: issues this movie addresses, there's also more interesting from a
Speaker 1: story point, more interesting things for them to have been
Speaker 1: in conflict about. I don't know. I kind of liked
Speaker 1: it just because I've seen that happen with my friends
Speaker 1: a couple of times, like two good girlfriends in college,
Speaker 1: like gotten to like almost an exact parallel situation, and
Speaker 1: just like this is gonna sound however it's gonna sound,
Speaker 1: but like when you're not what's represented as a standard
Speaker 1: of beauty, I would say, and you don't know how
Speaker 1: to Like I didn't know how to make my body attractive,
Speaker 1: you know, especially like previously having been overweight. And then
Speaker 1: like if you're Indian, you've got all this hair coming
Speaker 1: in and you don't know how to get rid of
Speaker 1: it because your mom's like, who's seeing you anyway? And
Speaker 1: I'm like everyone, moms, every goddamn locker room, help me,
Speaker 1: and like being super selfconscious bout my body. And then
Speaker 1: like this weird thing at the end where it's like
Speaker 1: the coach picks the brown girl like to me like
Speaker 1: blew my mind, where it's like, yeah, get it. Bit
Speaker 1: like I I didn't think of it that way. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I did appreciate that. I liked that, you know, you see,
Speaker 1: like an interracial romantic relationship represented and positive way. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be groundbreaking for film. It was. But I guess
Speaker 1: what I didn't like is that the fact that these
Speaker 1: two women are in conflict with each other over a man.
Speaker 1: That's the part of it that kind of bugged me.
Speaker 1: And but again, I mean it's those things do play
Speaker 1: out in real life all the time, where so it's
Speaker 1: not unheard of or it's not even that it's unrealistic.
Speaker 1: But I think it was just an easy choice, where,
Speaker 1: like Jamie with You said, with all the other things
Speaker 1: that this movie explores in terms of like, you know,
Speaker 1: just being one of the few women of color on
Speaker 1: this team of mostly white girls. You know, the pressure
Speaker 1: of her family. There's like sources of conflict a bunch
Speaker 1: of times, and Jewels never really says any right, Like
Speaker 1: how that triangle with shoehorned in though, is a bit odd. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like a studio note
Speaker 1: to like we need more drama or something like that,
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, I just feel that it was a
Speaker 1: little unnecessary. I think that there was enough sources of
Speaker 1: pension and conflict in the movie already that that didn't
Speaker 1: need to be there. Um limitless. Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Um really good on the Pinky character because I like
Speaker 1: the relationship that Dress has with her sister too. That
Speaker 1: felt like for the I mean Pinky, I feel like,
Speaker 1: is um that's just as older sister who's getting married.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's like a little more cartoony than
Speaker 1: most of the characters we came across in this movie
Speaker 1: where like she's she's a very big personality, but like
Speaker 1: at the same time and it she reminds me of
Speaker 1: my cousin not where she's like this big personality and
Speaker 1: like doesn't have a filter, but also is kind of
Speaker 1: traditional in the way she's like choosing to go about
Speaker 1: her life where she is getting married to someone her
Speaker 1: parents approve of. She loves him, it's what she wants
Speaker 1: to do, this is the life she wants. And then
Speaker 1: she's also like super loud and very opinionated, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of different elements of her parents seem to
Speaker 1: approve of Pinky's choices more than they do of Jesse's.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, but but also Pinky is like by
Speaker 1: far the more outgoing, and like Pinky and Jess are
Speaker 1: in conflict a number of times in this movie, one
Speaker 1: time when Pinky's fiance's family thinks that Jess is gay
Speaker 1: and then cancel the wedding and then to be fair,
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the good things I liked about
Speaker 1: Jesse's family is they do like acknowledge that she is
Speaker 1: a generally honest person and believe her when she's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's they misunderstood, that's not what was happening, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you're honest, and they funked up, and but but
Speaker 1: Pinky is so mad. But later on that's resolved and
Speaker 1: Pinky helps Jess sneak away and play soccer a couple
Speaker 1: different times. She covers for her a lot. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and but it would have read me out and goddamn heartbeak,
Speaker 1: really did he know you were doing comedy? So who
Speaker 1: knew my best friend in high school? And then a
Speaker 1: couple of you know, culture friends in high school. Okay,
Speaker 1: but like no one inside the family absolutely not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess Pinky is not as much of anarc
Speaker 1: as your brother, what because think you? I mean? But
Speaker 1: but she is kind of selectively. She She's like the
Speaker 1: kind of character that as long as, like what Jesse
Speaker 1: is doing is not in conflict with what she wants,
Speaker 1: she'll go along with it. But if something like if
Speaker 1: Jesse's soccer got in the way of her wedding, which
Speaker 1: it does, Pinky's like, no, you're coming to my wedding,
Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? And the whole third
Speaker 1: act of the movie is like or like the very end,
Speaker 1: were just goes to the wedding, then the soccer game,
Speaker 1: then the wedding again is done. I forgot exactly how
Speaker 1: that like sequence plays out, but it's Jess basically decides, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going with like the duty I feel
Speaker 1: toed to my family, or I'm going to the wedding,
Speaker 1: and her dad is pushing for that because there's like
Speaker 1: that whole phone seene where Jess is like, that's the
Speaker 1: day of my game, and he's like, yeah, you're going
Speaker 1: to the wedding, And then Tony is the one who's like,
Speaker 1: you have to go in Socca and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and Jess is like, I can't. And then Jess's dad
Speaker 1: comes in. He's like what's going on? And Tony's like
Speaker 1: Socca and and then Jesse's dad is the one who's
Speaker 1: like soccer, you know, and and so her dad is
Speaker 1: the one who's hiding that Jess has gone from both
Speaker 1: her sister and her mother until Jess gets back. There
Speaker 1: is an element of and it did again. It's like
Speaker 1: this movie does so well generally that it's like not
Speaker 1: the biggest deal. But if we're getting like nitpicky, both
Speaker 1: Jesse's dad and Jules's Dad end up for their respective
Speaker 1: storylines being the good guy of the family, which is
Speaker 1: kind of a trope I feel like, comes up. I
Speaker 1: can't think of it, but like there is you know,
Speaker 1: like the mothers of both of those families are the
Speaker 1: stricter ones. They're they're harder on their daughters. They're more
Speaker 1: critical of them. The dads are critical and we'll back
Speaker 1: the mom's up, but are usually the ones who go
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and are like, but it's okay, I'm
Speaker 1: the nice one. And that happens with I mean Jules Dad.
Speaker 1: I don't think at any point is made to seem
Speaker 1: strict in any way. He's just like soccer rules. In fact,
Speaker 1: he says something like, um, you know, if our daughter
Speaker 1: is more interested in playing football than chasing boys, Um
Speaker 1: over the moon about that, which you know is we
Speaker 1: can unpack that where it's like, well, what if she
Speaker 1: did want to chase boys and you know, explore her sexuality?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Dad? But um, but like his
Speaker 1: character is like, I mean, he's barely a character at
Speaker 1: least just as Dad, we get some context, feels he
Speaker 1: feels right because he was was it, a cricket player,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like that the story gives him a
Speaker 1: little bit more context for why he's sort of trying
Speaker 1: to protect her um and things like that, because he
Speaker 1: also had experienced a lot of racism when he tried
Speaker 1: to play cricket they kicked him out. Because Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I noticed that too about the parents, that both of
Speaker 1: the mothers were way less chill, just like we're trying
Speaker 1: to either like suppress their daughters in some way where
Speaker 1: they like, you can't play soccer, or trying to like
Speaker 1: force an idea of femininity onto them. I feel like
Speaker 1: they were extra upset when because both families at one
Speaker 1: point or another think that their daughter is queer with
Speaker 1: the other character um. And yeah, the way like Juels
Speaker 1: mom handles it, there's like she crashes the wedding, like
Speaker 1: you said, like screams about shoes. And then there's a
Speaker 1: scene after that in the car where she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're a lesbian and she's like, uh, just because I
Speaker 1: wear khakis and play sport doesn't make me a lesbian.
Speaker 1: But like, also Jules's tone during that scene is a
Speaker 1: little problem. Yeah, so seam plays out, yeah, because then
Speaker 1: she says like there's like a pause and once joelss
Speaker 1: mom realizes and this happens with both families once they
Speaker 1: realized that their daughters aren't gay, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: gay people are fine. It's yeah, yeah, I another storation
Speaker 1: til I'm gonna make it real quick. I was in
Speaker 1: high school and like, there was this girl bowling my
Speaker 1: friend by like spreading rumors about her being a Lots fan.
Speaker 1: So I thought it would be funny if I came
Speaker 1: onto her because she was homophobic. So I did that,
Speaker 1: and then it turns out it wasn't just her that
Speaker 1: was homophobic. It was a whole bunch of people that
Speaker 1: are homophobic. I accidentally got myself semi gay bash when
Speaker 1: I was walking down the hallway and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually, yeah, that isn't the high school things
Speaker 1: to happen to, Like, I know what I'll do, and
Speaker 1: then it's like, no, everyone's paid full, everyone and everybody
Speaker 1: here to help it. I was like, oh no, god,
Speaker 1: that's the words there the way scene with just and
Speaker 1: her mom at the end, it is kind of like
Speaker 1: played for laughs where um or no sorry Jules and
Speaker 1: her mom not to me Ja names uh, but you know,
Speaker 1: Jule says, besides being a lesbian. It's not that big
Speaker 1: a deal. And then her mom is you know, goes
Speaker 1: full hypocrite once she realizes her daughter is straight, Thank
Speaker 1: god is She's like, oh yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they're all like t he he he wear straight?
Speaker 1: But then oh, so the last thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about was so the way they deal with female queerness.
Speaker 1: This movie comes out in the weird place. It's not
Speaker 1: totally bad, but it's weird. It's not fully accepted. But
Speaker 1: we also have Tony, who is a queer male character
Speaker 1: who I forgot about his storyline, but it is I
Speaker 1: feel like it is fully realized within the movie. There's
Speaker 1: just so much going on, but Tony is the one
Speaker 1: boy on the soccer team that Jess plays on at
Speaker 1: the beginning who is not horrible to her and it's
Speaker 1: nice to her and they get along and everyone thinks
Speaker 1: he has a crush on her, but it turns out
Speaker 1: he just respects her. The twist is he's gay and
Speaker 1: he respects her. So, I mean, I liked that scene
Speaker 1: where he you know, and just Jess as being like,
Speaker 1: you know where she's coming from, and she's like kind
Speaker 1: of grasping at straws and just wants to stop disappointing
Speaker 1: her family, and she's like, so do you like me?
Speaker 1: We should we should just want we should just get married,
Speaker 1: and in a way that if Tony were interested in her,
Speaker 1: would probably have been very hurtful of, like, well, I've
Speaker 1: decided to settle here. I am, I've done it. But
Speaker 1: then Tony is like, no, I just respect you. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm gay. That's I mean. Jess is like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: you know, she's fine with it. Then there, But she's
Speaker 1: the only character, as far as we know, who knows
Speaker 1: about him being gay. He's the only person that he
Speaker 1: comes out too. So I think that if more people
Speaker 1: like in Jessice community knew about it, I feel like
Speaker 1: the movie might have handled it similarly to how like
Speaker 1: female queerness is perceived. So I think in general, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's this is like characters in two thousand
Speaker 1: two responding to queerness in the way that a lot
Speaker 1: of people in two thousand two would have responded to that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's I think it's interesting and positive that
Speaker 1: Jess is still very respectful of him, and you know,
Speaker 1: he comes out to her and she's just like great,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change their friendship at all or anything like that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that all was handled very well. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then there's that the last minute scene with him where
Speaker 1: he says because he is so supportive of Jess his
Speaker 1: soccer career and doesn't think that her parents will ever
Speaker 1: support it, and so he's like, I'll marry her, you know,
Speaker 1: and the last things like I'll marry her. And I
Speaker 1: was so nervous because two thousand two, I was so
Speaker 1: nervous that she was going to outand same same I
Speaker 1: was like, So I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: feel like in two thousand two people wouldn't have thought
Speaker 1: of as much of that. But she doesn't. She just
Speaker 1: says nice try Tony, like I need to beat tell
Speaker 1: the truth, and then she tells the truth about herself.
Speaker 1: I was just there was a moment where it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, so sad. The same but she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Another another win, another character doing a just basic decency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly his character. Also, like the big tournament at the end,
Speaker 1: all of the guys that she had been playing with
Speaker 1: in the park show up to that game to watch.
Speaker 1: Most of them are like, you know, very toxic masculinity. Bros.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, women playing soccer there boobs and
Speaker 1: oh how do they even do it? And they're like
Speaker 1: just like really over sexualizing and objectifying all the players
Speaker 1: on the team, and uh, Tony says something like can't
Speaker 1: you just see them as footballer? Like again, feminist icon,
Speaker 1: queer icon um. But an earlier scene shows a bunch
Speaker 1: of pinkies friends watching the men play soccer in the
Speaker 1: park and then similarly objectifying them and like, oh, look
Speaker 1: at his like sticks pack, and yeah, i'd I want
Speaker 1: to wank him off, And then Jess calls them a
Speaker 1: bunch of which sorry I did laugh that. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: does slut shame her sister's friends, which you know, is
Speaker 1: not the best thing that's ever happened. It's not. It
Speaker 1: feels so bad when you think someone's like on your
Speaker 1: level of creep. Like there was a hot bartender at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the theater and I turned to another
Speaker 1: girl and I was like, that dude is so smoking hot.
Speaker 1: I would totally funk him. And then she was just
Speaker 1: like oh, and I was like, oh no, that is
Speaker 1: literally every time I'm like I have a crush on someone.
Speaker 1: And then Caitlin's like, show me a picture and then
Speaker 1: I do, and then she's like, Okay, it's like I
Speaker 1: need to dine. Oh I didn't even want to run
Speaker 1: into traffic and get hit by a car. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm so many tepid. Okay, it's from you. When I
Speaker 1: hit you with the visual, it's so it's so unchilled.
Speaker 1: We'll post it on our Instagram. No, I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: never going to show you anyone. I'm never ever well.
Speaker 1: I it's you know, what we all taste is subjective
Speaker 1: and you can like whoever you want. Mine's kind of bad,
Speaker 1: I'll say it. Mine's weird. It's all over the place.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie? But
Speaker 1: it's like back, a's interesting that a movie about women
Speaker 1: playing sports does have a title where a man's name
Speaker 1: is in the title that, yeah, is that really him?
Speaker 1: At the end like yeah, I think I feel like
Speaker 1: they get like archived footage or something, and I don't
Speaker 1: know it's a hologram. Um. I do want to say
Speaker 1: that there is a clip of Mia Hamm playing soccer
Speaker 1: in the movie, and the clip of soccer, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: and I share the same birthday. Um, so we are
Speaker 1: sisters twins or Twin Sisters Birthday Twin is Patrick Swayzey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess overall, like I like this movie a whole lot,
Speaker 1: just on a base level of it being like a fun,
Speaker 1: entertaining movie, and then also, you know, watching it through
Speaker 1: the Bechtel cast lens, I really enjoy that it explores
Speaker 1: a lot of different things that we tend to talk
Speaker 1: about movies not paying any attention to. So the fact
Speaker 1: that this movie addresses like the concept of femininity and
Speaker 1: different things about sexuality, different things about racism, and all
Speaker 1: kinds of things that most movies just completely gloss over
Speaker 1: or don't pay any attention to or don't care about addressing.
Speaker 1: I really like all of that, and I like that
Speaker 1: it's effectively about a woman who is kind of she's
Speaker 1: got a struggle where she wants to pay respect to
Speaker 1: her family and honor them in their wishes, but also
Speaker 1: has the agency to like do her own thing, and
Speaker 1: too she wants to pursue her own goals and make
Speaker 1: her own choices. But yeah, it's just I think it's
Speaker 1: a great movie where you know, women are driving the narrative, Um,
Speaker 1: women are challenging different things, women have agency, women are
Speaker 1: kicking ass and kicking balls. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then, um, really quick, does this movie past the
Speaker 1: Bactel test one? Yeah, we don't even need to get
Speaker 1: into citing specific scenes because it's basically if there are
Speaker 1: two women talking in the movie. Almost every significant female
Speaker 1: pairing in this movie v it passes at one point,
Speaker 1: and usually especially between Jess and Jules, passes significantly because
Speaker 1: they talking about they want to stop talking about soccer.
Speaker 1: Jess and her sister, Pinky, Jess and her mom, Um,
Speaker 1: Jules and her mom. Yeah, Jess and jules mom. Every
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, it's great. I'm always on the lookout
Speaker 1: for movies that pass all four of the following test
Speaker 1: the Bechtel test, the DuVernay test, the Vito Rosso test,
Speaker 1: and the Maco Morey test. This movie passes all for Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wonderful, because you've got um so Bechtel tests we've
Speaker 1: already discussed um. The Duverney test requires that characters who
Speaker 1: are people of color have fully realized lives rather than
Speaker 1: service scenery for white stories, so this movie passes that
Speaker 1: test with flying colors. The Maco more test requires that
Speaker 1: there's at least one prominent female character who has her
Speaker 1: own narrative arc which is not about supporting a man's story,
Speaker 1: passes that test with flying colors. The Veto Russo test,
Speaker 1: the movie passes if it contains a character that is
Speaker 1: identifiably lgbt Q. So we've got that in Tony. Character
Speaker 1: is not solely or predominantly defined by their sexual orientation
Speaker 1: or gender identity, which I would say is true for
Speaker 1: Tony too. And this is where it is a little tricky.
Speaker 1: The character must be tied into the plot in such
Speaker 1: a way that their removal would have a significant effect.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeahs Hers, Yeah, he's the one that
Speaker 1: makes her at the end of the wedding. He's pivotal
Speaker 1: to that. And then right, okay, yeah, so it passes off. Hurrah.
Speaker 1: Well with that, let's rate it on our nipple scale. Well,
Speaker 1: we we rate the movie based on its portrayal of
Speaker 1: women zero to five nipples. I'm going to give this
Speaker 1: like a a four and half. I think I think
Speaker 1: certain characters and how they handle the topic of queerness,
Speaker 1: specifically jewels and jewels is mom I think could be
Speaker 1: handled a little bit better. And I think that's if
Speaker 1: this movie was rewritten today. Those problems would be solved
Speaker 1: because this is an extremely progressive movie, and there's also
Speaker 1: a few I feel like I should have said earlier
Speaker 1: there are a few um queer slurs that go unchallenged
Speaker 1: in the movie. Where the racial slurs are challenged, the
Speaker 1: queer slurs are not. Yes, and then also like a
Speaker 1: half nipple off for the fact that the movie has
Speaker 1: this love triangle that doesn't need to be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like it just kind of
Speaker 1: cheapens it a little bit. But overall, it's really cool
Speaker 1: to see a movie about a woman of color. We
Speaker 1: get all the context of her family. Great movie, great characters.
Speaker 1: Female characters are very well written and well developed. We
Speaker 1: so rarely see this. The fact that it's written and
Speaker 1: directed by an Indian woman is amazing. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that this movie exists. And if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: check it out. A sap so four and a half
Speaker 1: nipples I'm going to give to to Jess, one to Jewels,
Speaker 1: one to Pinky, and a half nipple to Tony Cool.
Speaker 1: I'm I'll go with four and a half as well.
Speaker 1: Let me let me see if I can do this
Speaker 1: in sports terms. Okay, I'd say this soccer ball fumbles
Speaker 1: female queerness, but really dunks in every other card uh huh,
Speaker 1: time out. I like this. The only penalty would be
Speaker 1: what I already said was a fumble in conclusion in okay,
Speaker 1: and now I'm canceling. We're in overtime now and overtime
Speaker 1: fifth quarter. I would say that in all series is
Speaker 1: when I when I saw this movie when I was
Speaker 1: a teenager, demonstrates the importance of portraying every culture possible
Speaker 1: in film and in mainstream film, because I know, I
Speaker 1: for sure didn't grow up around many Indian people at all,
Speaker 1: and I learned stuff from this movie. And I learned.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like this was my first exposure
Speaker 1: to a culture I wasn't familiar with, and it's done
Speaker 1: so responsibly and respectfully that I think if more cultures
Speaker 1: were portrayed in this way in film, the world would
Speaker 1: just be a better place. I really like this movie,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy that we we can keep watching it
Speaker 1: and feeling happy about watching it without feeling guilty about
Speaker 1: watching it. Yeah, So four and a half nipples. Giving
Speaker 1: two to Jess, I'll give one to Jewels, give one
Speaker 1: to Pinky, and then I give one. I'll give my
Speaker 1: last half one to Jess's mom because I like her.
Speaker 1: I would say, well, I'm going to be biased, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give four point eight nipples. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give it a handicap for the time period, just because
Speaker 1: this is the first movie where I got to see
Speaker 1: someone represent what it feels like my story on screen.
Speaker 1: And it's like it was everything to me, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was just the coolest movie and I loved
Speaker 1: it like top to bottom. You know, yeah, I also
Speaker 1: want to see your exact story on screen, like that
Speaker 1: would be such a fun movie to watch. Who are
Speaker 1: you giving your nips to? Um? Give two to Jess,
Speaker 1: one to her mom, one to Karen Nightly how much
Speaker 1: does that like me? So too? And then I have
Speaker 1: point eight left. I'll give point eight to Tony, you know,
Speaker 1: because it was like a great character who like feminist icon,
Speaker 1: queer icon killing it? It? Give us a Tony spin off? Serious?
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