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Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus and my

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Rante. This is our podcast about the

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Speaker 1: representation of women in movies. You've seen before? You have it? Yeah, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel the representation of women in mainstream

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Speaker 1: American cinema is? I'll tell you what, pretty bad? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I would agree, don't care for it. Usually feel it's

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Speaker 1: like a bit of a slap in the face, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And that conversation just passed the Bechtel test, which is

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Speaker 1: the test that we use as just a jumping off

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Speaker 1: point to initiate a larger conversation about the representation of

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Speaker 1: women in movies. The Bechtel test for us requires that

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Speaker 1: the movie has two female I entifying characters in it.

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Speaker 1: They have to have names already, Why bothers those characters

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Speaker 1: have to speak to each other? That happens, I'm leaving

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Speaker 1: the theater. Who wants to watch women talk right, and

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Speaker 1: their conversation has to be about anything besides men, sorry,

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Speaker 1: talking about food. There's nothing has to talk about right,

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Speaker 1: So here here, let's let's play to test the test

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Speaker 1: really quick. I'd love to okay, Caitlin, Hey, Jamie, you

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Speaker 1: play sports? I do play soccer. Well, I played soccer

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Speaker 1: when I was four, but then I got kicked off

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Speaker 1: to happen to four year old But I what did

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Speaker 1: you do to get kicked off the team? Quote refused

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Speaker 1: to participate? Unquote I see and quote picked flowers and

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Speaker 1: quote through them at the opposing team, which I would

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Speaker 1: argue was probably helpful to my team. And they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: poor sportsmanship. Well, we'll do matter next time. Sorry, we're

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Speaker 1: just done. Women. Shall we introduce please? She's a comedian

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Speaker 1: and she's a writer for the Jim Jefferies Show. Suba

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Speaker 1: our gar Wall. Hey, welcome, thanks for having me, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here. So we're talking about Bendett, like Beckham,

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Speaker 1: tell us about your history with this movie, your relationship

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Speaker 1: I think I was young. I don't remember exactly one,

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, of course there's Bollywood films, but

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Speaker 1: And then there was Princess Jasmine. And when I was

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Speaker 1: to inherit the throne. Now I think we were merchants.

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Speaker 1: Was our cast? I don't know, but so yeah, back on,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely adored it because it kind of became my

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Speaker 1: was very like Backham. They were cool with parties, but

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Speaker 1: I was such a loser. This is completely true. I

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Speaker 1: doing stand up. Okay, it is really bend it like

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Speaker 1: when did you first see the movie? I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: lisening this movie, we'll watch it, And yeah, I really

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Speaker 1: I always am anytime we rewatch a movie with this

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Speaker 1: I really it's it just warms my heart to feel

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Speaker 1: make no mistake, I'm not good at soccer. I've been

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Speaker 1: And my problem was I was fat when I was little,

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Speaker 1: so bend it like Beckham. The movie focuses on a

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Speaker 1: character named Jess Bamra. She is a young woman living

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Speaker 1: the Good Wife show that I have seen every episode

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Speaker 1: quite really quick, Alfred Molina mentioned please Chris know a

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Speaker 1: a book series and a movie I really liked. Yeah, well,

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00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: we talked about on the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants episode. Um,

426
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: so there you go. So just get that in mind,

427
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: because this is a movie that like explores a lot

428
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: of different things in terms of like a woman of

429
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: color coming from a family of immigrants, having to deal

430
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: with racism, having to deal with sexism because she's existing

431
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: mostly in like a straight male, white space. There's different

432
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 1: things where she's self conscious about her body and different

433
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: things where her family, you know, has a very specific

434
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: idea of what she should and should not be doing,

435
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: a very specific idea of who she should and should

436
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: not be romantically involved with. So she's dealing with all

437
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 1: of these things, and she you know, finds herself at

438
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: the intersection of being a woman, being a person of color,

439
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: being a female athlete, and just the idea of like

440
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: femininity and masculinity and like how people perceive that to

441
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: relate to sexual identity and like different things like that.

442
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: So this movie like tackles a lot of really interesting things,

443
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: but it's so fun and it's funny when you was like, whoa,

444
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: it really does tackle all that stuff, but it's so

445
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It doesn't feel I don't know, for me,

446
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't beat you over the head with it. Yeah,

447
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: it's not like kind of limited. Yeah, it's cool. And

448
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: and also just god watching Jess have to deal with

449
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: so many things when you're just like, she's a good kid,

450
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: a kid just trying to pursue an extracurricular to save

451
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: her a lot, right, So, yeah, her sort of history

452
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: is that she has played soccer in a park mostly

453
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: with men. I think all of them are Indian men.

454
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: If I'm not, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. They have like

455
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: a friendly rapport, but they also like will make sexist

456
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: comments to her a lot, where you know, they talk

457
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: about like her hitting the ball, like the soccer ball

458
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: with her chest and like how like how can you

459
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: do that when you've got and then like later, but

460
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: you do it anyway, right, yeah, because women have a

461
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: higher threshold for pay. Later in the story, is revealed

462
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: that she has like a burn scar on her leg,

463
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: which she is ashamed about, and we realized that probably

464
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: one of the reasons she's ashamed about this is because

465
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: her mother makes her feel shame about it, because she's like, like,

466
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: how can you be showing your legs in front of

467
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: all these men, Like you should cover that up, And

468
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: then like the guys who she plays soccer with their like,

469
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's disgusting, Like, oh god. And every

470
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: time she's confronted with anything like that, like any sort

471
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: of sexism, she challenges it, which is a really nice

472
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: thing to see because usually in movies a character will

473
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: say a really horribly sexist thing and no one's even

474
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: aware that it was sexist. The character is just barrel

475
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: through and it goes unchallenged. Yeah, at the beginning, watching

476
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: Jess play soccer with the guys and like they were

477
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: giving her a lot of ship, But it felt like

478
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: so much in this movie feels so like realistic in

479
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: way is that team movies rarely do where they're being

480
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: sexist towards her. But you can all you can also

481
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: because I'm sure like we've all had this experience, you

482
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: can also understand why she stays because they're awful to her,

483
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: but they also know she's a good player. There's where

484
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: else is she going to go? Like, there's there's all

485
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: these like dynamics that play where I don't even think

486
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: that just like dislikes those guys. But it's like if

487
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: she wants to play at the beginning of the movie,

488
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: that's the only way she knows how, And so she

489
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: challenges it and then compartmentalizes it sort of on and

490
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: off in a way that felt, I don't know, like

491
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: reminded me of being a teenager in any male dominated

492
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: teen space. Yeah, you're just like, Okay, this is the

493
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: battle I'm going to push back on, and this is

494
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: the one where I'm just gonna pretend I didn't hear anything, right,

495
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: because she doesn't have any other options to play until

496
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: she gets sort of recruited to be on this team, which,

497
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: like Karen Nitley's character says like, oh, they finally let

498
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: us like form women's side, and it sounds like you're

499
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: in Nightly. I think Jewels, I think says, or maybe

500
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: Joe says this, that it was like Jewels was the

501
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: one who's really really pushing for because he was playing

502
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: for the men's club and she was hanging around, right,

503
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: and so she just I like to imagine her like

504
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: lingering around and then waiting for one of the men

505
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: to get injured and be like, you're our coach now

506
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: because he couldn't play anymore, so he had to coach.

507
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: And I think she just like scooped him up and

508
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: was like, you were my coach now, thank you job.

509
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: She just purposely Tanya Harding is one of them. I'm

510
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: so sorry your knees are gone better coach me and

511
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of other ladies. I love that fan theory.

512
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he doesn't want to date her. It's

513
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: like you hired someone to bash my knee in and

514
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: she's like, it was never proven, and it's never proven.

515
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Cre knightly glue him straight up. There is a character

516
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: among the men that she plays with in the park

517
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: named Tony, who is a close friend of her feminist

518
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: icon queer icon because later in the movie he comes

519
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: out to her, I forgot about that, so did I. Yeah,

520
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: So basically anytime she's confronted with any sort of misogyny

521
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: or racism, Like there's a moment towards the end when

522
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: they're playing a game and one of the players on

523
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: the opposing team calls her like a slur for Pakistani people,

524
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: and then she like she sort of pushes and kind

525
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: of comes at the player who did this, and then

526
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: she gets a red card and then her coach, Joe

527
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: like yells at her for doing that, and she's like,

528
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: you don't understand, like this person like called me a

529
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: slur and she's like, well, you wouldn't get it, and

530
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm Irish, so yeah, I get it. And

531
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: then that goes on challenge and I'm just like I'm sorry,

532
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure I people in England do experience some

533
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: sort of prejudice, but it seemed kind of apples and oranges. Yeah, Ok,

534
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: that was like one of the few moments of the

535
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: movie where else like I didn't like how that there,

536
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: and just the way it played out felt weird and

537
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: not not quite lining up with like what it seems

538
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: like the characters would expect the joke character because like,

539
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: it makes sense that Jeff got angry then that happened,

540
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: and but it didn't make sense to me that if

541
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: he knew that that he would yell at her, because

542
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: that's not really didn't seem like the kind of person

543
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: he was. And then even after she explained it, he

544
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: was kind of just like, I'm irish, We've got to

545
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: like something a white dude would do to me ore,

546
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: Like I could see that happening. Absolutely. I think it

547
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: just came as a surprise to me that she didn't

548
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: say like no, like it's not the same, like you're

549
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: still a white man. Yeah, I guess it's like when

550
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: he said that, I think that it was like, and

551
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: now that issue is resolved, it doesn't seem like they

552
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: really talked about it. I don't know, but um, anyway,

553
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: So my point is I really enjoyed seeing any time

554
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: she experienced, you know, for the most part, racism sexism, etcetera.

555
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: She challenges it and it's just a really cool thing

556
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: to see in a movie. I also wanted to talk

557
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: about the idea of like femininity and how that's an

558
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: expectation of like especially for jewels. That was interesting for

559
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: me because that was the one part was not my

560
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: background at all. It was to an extent where it's

561
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: like because I think it was my dad wanted a boy,

562
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: and so my mom was like, I would just treat

563
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: her like a little dude. It's the same ship. So

564
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: like I grew up a tomboy for that reason, because

565
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: I would watch sports with my dad. I would watch wrestling.

566
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I was super aggressive. My brother had my mom's personality

567
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: where he was very patient and calm, and I was

568
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: just a lunatic, like I just came out of the

569
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: womb in insane person smashing bottles. But like it was

570
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: so it was like me and my dad got along.

571
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: But as soon as I got close to puberty and

572
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: my parents tried. Obviously they failed, but they were like,

573
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: you can't talk to men outside the classroom. You can

574
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: only talk to them in like an educational setting in

575
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: about school. Obviously, I lied straight to their face right away,

576
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: it was just it was like this weird thing where

577
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: like I used to like wear baggy overalls like and

578
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: then on top of it, I would wear sports jersey

579
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: like that was my m O. And then it wasn't

580
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: until like I guess my hormones started kicking in and

581
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: I wanted attention for men that I was like, ah, ship,

582
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: I can't dress like you anymore. And then I started

583
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: like re eating like teen Vogue and like trying to

584
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: do the face makeup that they told you to do,

585
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: and it was just god awful. Oh yeah, it didn't

586
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: make sense. God, I used to I still have like

587
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: just like all these members of like a specific issue

588
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: of teen Vogue where it like would tell you what

589
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: shape your body was, and it was like three of

590
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: like the same shape. And then it was like garbage,

591
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: like a pile of garbage. And the end you're like, oh, okay,

592
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: well that's me there. I am feeling scene. Hey, you

593
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: play the Obo so well. I should I should have

594
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: asked my Obo and Stark Toorker for a body image advice.

595
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you and your crushed lung or dope, great,

596
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: um a curvy spine. What you need is an a

597
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: line skirt and it's fine, but no. So like in

598
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: the first scene that we meet Jewels in like, her

599
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: mother is taking her bra shopping and she keeps saying like,

600
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: oh these bras, will you know, booster cleavage and like,

601
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: and then Jewels has no interest in presenting as feminine

602
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: or like, you know, wearing quote unquote girly things or

603
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: like lacey bras or anything like that, so she goes

604
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: over to the sports bra section and this sort of

605
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: sets up an ongoing struggle between her and her mother

606
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: throughout the movie where her mom, you know, wants her

607
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: to be more feminine, wants her to be girlier, doesn't

608
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: like that she plays soccer foot football. Um, but she

609
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: doesn't like forbid Jewels from playing it like Jesse's parents do. Um.

610
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: But she's just like, oh, you know, if you just

611
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: like dressed differently, you know, boys would like you. And

612
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: Jules meanwhile, is just like, I don't care about that,

613
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna wear what I want to wear. I

614
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: don't feel the need to present as super super feminine

615
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: in like the clothes I wear and like my hairstyle

616
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: and things like that. And it seems like part of

617
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: the reason Jules's mom puts up with it is because

618
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: Jules's dad feels so differently, where like Jules's dad is

619
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: very supportive of Jules playing soccer, I think partially because

620
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: he really likes soccer, so he's like, oh, yeah, this

621
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: works out is a common interest, and that's it seems

622
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: like part of the reason why Jules gets to continue

623
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: playing in a way that Jess doesn't, because Jess doesn't

624
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: really have a parental ally until the very end. I'm

625
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: wondering how you both felt about this, But I felt

626
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: like the way that Jules's mom forced femininity and and

627
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: I think kind of a very stereotypically hetero form of

628
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: femininity fed right into like the way that this movie

629
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: deals with like queer panic. Because Jules's mom, it comes

630
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: up with her, I feel like, almost more so than

631
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: any other character, and it comes up with a lot

632
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: of people. There's a moment at the climax of the

633
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: movie where Jules's mom gets so upset thinking that Jess

634
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: and Jules are queer and they're together that she crashes

635
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: a wedding, which is like, that's bananas. There's the moment

636
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: where she hears Jess and Jules arguing and the way

637
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: the scene is presented him like, is they're actually arguing

638
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: about a boy. So it's okay, and I don't love

639
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: how that's presented, but they're actually arguing over Joe. But

640
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like mishearing mishaps in this movie,

641
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: and Jules's mom things they're arguing about their relationship. She

642
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: goes downstairs and bursts into tears. Uh, And it's like

643
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: freaking out with Jules's dad. That see, I thought was

644
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: a little bit better. The climactic wedding crash er queer

645
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: panics seemed seemed a little bit out of nowhere because

646
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: Jules's mom in kind of like two thirds through the

647
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: movie is like, actually, I like soccer and I want

648
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: to understand it and I respect your choices. But then

649
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: freaks out again. But so that was a little weird.

650
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: But but the first time she significantly panics thinking that

651
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: Jules is queer, um, she at least contextualizes it and

652
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: explains part of the reason why she's so nervous. And

653
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: she cites George Michael and how George Michael was treated

654
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: in the media for being gay and she worries that

655
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: and it's a silly example, but the way she explains

656
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: it does make sense in like panicked mom logic of

657
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: like I've seen someone who I like, George Michael, be

658
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: abused in the media for being gay, and what if

659
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: that happens to my kid? And that's sort of when

660
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: she said it that way, I was like, Okay, that

661
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: is like a really good move by this movie to

662
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: contextualize the panic a little bit. She's still wrong, but

663
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: at least we understand a little bit better why. I

664
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: also got the sense though, that that was only part

665
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: of her reasoning for being so upset by it, which

666
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: we learned later when she yells, get your lesbian feet

667
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: out of my shoes, like, there's still certainly some like

668
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: homophobia there and it might not be the worst case

669
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, but like she regardless, she is a

670
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: very upset by her thinking that she might have a

671
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: daughter who is a lesbian. Yeah, she's and I think

672
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: she would be upset about that, you know today, like

673
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: even if you know, like, yeah, she still has her

674
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: own hang ups because get your lesbian feet out of

675
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: my shoes, like okay, Well, she's also she's problematic in

676
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: other ways because she does a few microaggressions towards Jess,

677
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: where like whenever she first meets Jess, when they're in

678
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: like Jules's room, she learns her name and she's like, oh, Jess,

679
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: is that Indian, basically saying like that doesn't sound like

680
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: an Indian name, Like what what I don't understand? And

681
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: then she says something like I hope you teach my

682
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: daughter a bit about your culture, you know, to respect

683
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: your elders. And then she says, Oh, you're a lucky girl,

684
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: because I expect that your parents are fixing you up

685
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: with a handsome young doctor soon, aren't they. So just

686
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: like taking stereotypes that she knows about Indian culture and

687
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: just assuming that they apply to Jess. And this is

688
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: an example of a time where like Jess doesn't challenge it,

689
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: but it makes perfect sense. Why, Like you don't want

690
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: to like your friend whose mom you've just met, you're

691
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: not going to like necessarily stand up and be like, um, actually,

692
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: here's all the things that are problematic about everything you

693
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: just said. So that like tracked for me, But it

694
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, this is all to say that

695
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: I think all the characters in this movie are like

696
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: characterized very well. They feel like real people. Thought and

697
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: time was put into developing them. So even though like

698
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: Jules Mom is problematic in many ways, the movie handles

699
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: it in such a way where we the audience realize

700
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: what she's saying is problematic, wherein a lot of movies

701
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: that care and time isn't bothered with at all. So,

702
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there are people like her, like like Jules Mom,

703
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: like we've met them. But yeah, it's just I find

704
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: it interesting that each of these characters, problematic though they

705
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: may be, are still developed in such a way by

706
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: like the writers that they're used to like demonstrate the

707
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: biases and the microaggressions and stuff like that a character

708
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: or a person like Jess would experience. So I thought

709
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: that was all handled very well. Let's take a quick break.

710
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: I have to go score some more goals and then

711
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. I wanted to talk a little

712
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: bit about the I mean, I don't have that much

713
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: to say because I'm not super critical of it, but

714
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: just saying that the team dynamic um inside of the

715
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: team that Joe coaches that Chess and Jewels are a

716
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: part of is like a really positive community. They're all

717
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: generally very supportive of each other. They'll like dig get

718
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: each other sometimes, but it's in a very friendly way

719
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: most of the time. There's a scene that I really

720
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: liked where Mel, the captain of the team Jewels, and

721
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: a few other teammates ask Jess questions about her culture

722
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: because they just don't know, Like they don't understand why

723
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: is she not allowed to play soccer? What like like

724
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: what are the cultures rules around dating? Like they just

725
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: don't know. So they ask in a way that I thought,

726
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm not told, but it seems like

727
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: like a very respectful conversation. They asked respectfully she answered,

728
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, we know. And I was like,

729
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: that's good. That seems like how that should go, especially

730
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: when you contrast that with how Jewels is. Um approaches

731
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: those same sort of topics where she's like making assumptions

732
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: and then being like, well, this is how it must

733
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: be for you. So I already know everything and I

734
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: don't need to ask questions because I got this, and

735
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, so I think I agree that.

736
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: I think those were handled better, and yeah, I enjoyed

737
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: that scene. I also like the scene where um she

738
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: has to get back to her wedding like her sister's

739
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: wedding at the end, so her teammates are helping her

740
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: put on Yeah that I still I don't know how

741
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: to wear one of those things, but everyone on the

742
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: team did so. But it's like even that to put

743
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: it on me. It's not sweet though that it feels

744
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: weird as an adult to have your mom come behind

745
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: you because she has to put it on, like she's

746
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: putting it on. That's how she knows, like you know

747
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: some people. So it's just a very like like but

748
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: pottery scene from Ghost where my mom was just wrapping

749
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: her arms around me and like folding a sorry, and

750
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: I was like, this is uncomfortable. So that's great. Oh

751
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful just go staying with your own mom

752
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: with the same song playing in the background, the whole

753
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: fully unchained melody. Another thing I wanted to talk about

754
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: is this is a movie about women's sports, A woman

755
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: in sports Goals Kicking. This is to say that there

756
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: are not that many movies about female athletes women playing sports.

757
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: A few examples include, aside from Bennett, like Beckham, a

758
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: league of their own, stick it, bring it on, whip it.

759
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: A lot of them have it. And then because you

760
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: get say, well, I guess if you replace it with her,

761
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: that would be bad, never mind it being the sport

762
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: or the the ball. Gotta Kick it Up is another one.

763
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: An they've got like Blue Crush, Million Dollar Baby, Girl, Fight,

764
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: Love and Basketball, She's the Man I Tania, And then

765
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: a few lesser known ones that I found out via

766
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: a very thorough Google search, like Gracy Personal Best Ice, Princess,

767
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: The Cutting Edge, Princess Rules never lesser known. Well, if

768
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: these are like Disney Channel originals, which I feel like

769
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: some of these are, I don't know what they are. Um,

770
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Double Team is another one. So this is like roughly

771
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: twenty movies throughout the course of history that are well

772
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: known enough that they show up in a Google search,

773
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: versus like eight thousand movies about men playing sports. So

774
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean we see this all the time, where like

775
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: biopics of them are about men much fewer or about women. Um,

776
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, movies about the mill Terry, almost all of

777
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: them feature male characters, know them about women in the military.

778
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: So it's like, and that's a media issue where I

779
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: feel like that The counter argument that I can hear

780
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: my cousin saying is like, well, people don't watch women's

781
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: sports as much. But that is like snake eating its

782
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: own tail. A game, it's a movie. I'm not bend

783
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: it like Beckham. Wasn't just like a filmed soccer match, right,

784
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: And it's like if young women don't see female athletes

785
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: depicted on screen in the like celebratory way that it

786
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: is and bend it like Beckham when they're younger, then

787
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: they're probably less likely to want to play that sport,

788
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: like that's a proven thing over and over. Why does

789
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: so many little girls want to be princesses? Because that's

790
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: what they see. And so it's like if they see

791
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: other stuff, then of course, you know, the cultural landscape

792
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: will gradually shift. And so maybe I wouldn't hate sports

793
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: balls so much if there were movies of women doing

794
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: it more. Well, you would have liked hoop goals more.

795
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: If I had been, I would have been slamming hoop goals.

796
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: We've been kicking the basketball. Gotta kick it up, Gotta

797
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: kick that basketball up into the air for crying out loud. Also,

798
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the movies that I named are about

799
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: sports that I would say are at least perceived to

800
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: be more feminine because it's either dancing, figure skating, gymnastics.

801
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: A couple of them are like we dominated sports right,

802
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: A couple of them are like League of their Owners baseball,

803
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: A couple of them are about boxing, some of them

804
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: about basketball. But yeah, I feel like, if you're going

805
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: to have a mainstream movie about women doing a sport

806
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: that is commercially successful, chances are it's like cheerleading or

807
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: like figure skating or something that we as a society

808
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: already are okay with women doing. I think the ones

809
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: like Bennett, like Beckham, or a League of their own,

810
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: or more outliers like even though they were, you know,

811
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: they're popular movies. They hold up, but they're not the rule.

812
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Yeah, I think I tend to

813
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: not like sports movies very much, especially like I nothing

814
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: will ever make me enjoy a boxing movie, except I

815
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy Girl Fight. I like sports movies, and

816
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I grew up watching it. Honestly, I

817
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: was thinking about it. Have there been more movies about

818
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: dogs in sports? Because of all the Airbud sequels. I

819
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: bet there are more Airbud movies than there are movies

820
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: featuring female athletes. I've for sure seen a movie about

821
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: a monkey playing hockey called m v P most valuable

822
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: primate more than movies about women playing sports. That said

823
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: highly recommended that mates are going to grow up to

824
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: play hockey because they got exposed to it. I mean,

825
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: and that's why there's so many professional monkey hock players

826
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: right now, because media is influential. I keep saying it.

827
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: It is a two thousand feature film that sparked the

828
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: m v P franchise. The film's title character, it's Jack

829
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: is a chimpanze. What else does you play in future movies?

830
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Okay, okay, m v P two is skateboarding,

831
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: most vertical private, but that the last one is X

832
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: game themed, most extreme print. That's that's m XP. It's

833
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: kind of a different but it's the third one. We

834
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: already know. It's a proven product. Okay, well now, oh

835
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: and it is up an extension of the Airbud franchise.

836
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Well, thank goodness for you know, animals

837
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: and sports and all the representation that they get. Um.

838
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the love Triangle. Yeah, I

839
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: would argue that it kind of has no place in

840
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: this movie. I don't like that it's there. I it

841
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: why it's there. It's it's a way to heighten the

842
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: tension of the story and to introduce more conflict, but

843
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: to me, it just kind of cheapens the whole narrative

844
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: because so it's Joe is their coach. They both develop

845
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: an interest in him, which to me makes sense. You know,

846
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: he's cute, he's respectful of them. He like, if you

847
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: watch Million Dollar Baby, Clint Eastwood is over here being like, oh,

848
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't teach girls because I don't think they're people.

849
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like this similar thing happens in Girl Fight,

850
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: where like male sporty mentors are like reluctant to teach

851
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: girls how to sport, but in this movie, he's just like, Yep,

852
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: this is my job and I'm fine with it, and

853
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm respectful of all the women on this team. So

854
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: that was nice to see. So at least attracts why

855
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: they would be interested in him, because he's you know,

856
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: nice to them and he's respectful of them. But they

857
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: both have a crush on him, and it drives a

858
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: wedge between their friendship, which is like his just become

859
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: such a lazy writing move. Yeah, it's just and it's

860
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: not even like the joke character that I had a

861
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: particular issue with I thought it was like, in some

862
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: ways positive to see a man fully comfortable with and

863
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: acknowledging the skills of a woman is equal to his own.

864
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: Like I think that there was like that's a generally

865
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: good thing to see, especially in a sports movie. I'm guessing,

866
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know, like that they're all the scenes

867
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: between Jess and Jewels, they just felt like a little

868
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: weird of like I don't I don't know if they're

869
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: like that whole Cure Nightley bursting onto a balcony and

870
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: going you bid. And also I'm like, would Jesse have

871
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: kissed her coach at a club? I mean maybe, I

872
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know. It just felt it did feel like a

873
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: little cheap. And with the wide array of things like

874
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: issues this movie addresses, there's also more interesting from a

875
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: story point, more interesting things for them to have been

876
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: in conflict about. I don't know. I kind of liked

877
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: it just because I've seen that happen with my friends

878
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: a couple of times, like two good girlfriends in college,

879
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: like gotten to like almost an exact parallel situation, and

880
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: just like this is gonna sound however it's gonna sound,

881
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: but like when you're not what's represented as a standard

882
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: of beauty, I would say, and you don't know how

883
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: to Like I didn't know how to make my body attractive,

884
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, especially like previously having been overweight. And then

885
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: like if you're Indian, you've got all this hair coming

886
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: in and you don't know how to get rid of

887
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: it because your mom's like, who's seeing you anyway? And

888
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm like everyone, moms, every goddamn locker room, help me,

889
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: and like being super selfconscious bout my body. And then

890
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: like this weird thing at the end where it's like

891
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: the coach picks the brown girl like to me like

892
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: blew my mind, where it's like, yeah, get it. Bit

893
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: like I I didn't think of it that way. Yeah, well,

894
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: I did appreciate that. I liked that, you know, you see,

895
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: like an interracial romantic relationship represented and positive way. It

896
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't be groundbreaking for film. It was. But I guess

897
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: what I didn't like is that the fact that these

898
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: two women are in conflict with each other over a man.

899
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: That's the part of it that kind of bugged me.

900
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: And but again, I mean it's those things do play

901
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: out in real life all the time, where so it's

902
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: not unheard of or it's not even that it's unrealistic.

903
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: But I think it was just an easy choice, where,

904
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: like Jamie with You said, with all the other things

905
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: that this movie explores in terms of like, you know,

906
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: just being one of the few women of color on

907
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: this team of mostly white girls. You know, the pressure

908
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: of her family. There's like sources of conflict a bunch

909
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: of times, and Jewels never really says any right, Like

910
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: how that triangle with shoehorned in though, is a bit odd. Yeah.

911
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like a studio note

912
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: to like we need more drama or something like that,

913
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, I just feel that it was a

914
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: little unnecessary. I think that there was enough sources of

915
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: pension and conflict in the movie already that that didn't

916
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: need to be there. Um limitless. Yeah, So I don't know.

917
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: Um really good on the Pinky character because I like

918
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: the relationship that Dress has with her sister too. That

919
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: felt like for the I mean Pinky, I feel like,

920
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: is um that's just as older sister who's getting married.

921
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I feel like she's like a little more cartoony than

922
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: most of the characters we came across in this movie

923
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: where like she's she's a very big personality, but like

924
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: at the same time and it she reminds me of

925
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: my cousin not where she's like this big personality and

926
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: like doesn't have a filter, but also is kind of

927
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: traditional in the way she's like choosing to go about

928
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: her life where she is getting married to someone her

929
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: parents approve of. She loves him, it's what she wants

930
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: to do, this is the life she wants. And then

931
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: she's also like super loud and very opinionated, and there's

932
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: a lot of different elements of her parents seem to

933
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: approve of Pinky's choices more than they do of Jesse's.

934
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, but but also Pinky is like by

935
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: far the more outgoing, and like Pinky and Jess are

936
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: in conflict a number of times in this movie, one

937
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: time when Pinky's fiance's family thinks that Jess is gay

938
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: and then cancel the wedding and then to be fair,

939
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the good things I liked about

940
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: Jesse's family is they do like acknowledge that she is

941
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: a generally honest person and believe her when she's like, no,

942
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: that's they misunderstood, that's not what was happening, and they're like, okay,

943
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: well you're honest, and they funked up, and but but

944
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: Pinky is so mad. But later on that's resolved and

945
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: Pinky helps Jess sneak away and play soccer a couple

946
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: different times. She covers for her a lot. Yeah, and

947
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: and but it would have read me out and goddamn heartbeak,

948
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: really did he know you were doing comedy? So who

949
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: knew my best friend in high school? And then a

950
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: couple of you know, culture friends in high school. Okay,

951
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: but like no one inside the family absolutely not. Yeah,

952
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: so I guess Pinky is not as much of anarc

953
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: as your brother, what because think you? I mean? But

954
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: but she is kind of selectively. She She's like the

955
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of character that as long as, like what Jesse

956
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: is doing is not in conflict with what she wants,

957
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: she'll go along with it. But if something like if

958
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: Jesse's soccer got in the way of her wedding, which

959
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: it does, Pinky's like, no, you're coming to my wedding,

960
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? And the whole third

961
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: act of the movie is like or like the very end,

962
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: were just goes to the wedding, then the soccer game,

963
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: then the wedding again is done. I forgot exactly how

964
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: that like sequence plays out, but it's Jess basically decides, no,

965
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going with like the duty I feel

966
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: toed to my family, or I'm going to the wedding,

967
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: and her dad is pushing for that because there's like

968
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: that whole phone seene where Jess is like, that's the

969
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: day of my game, and he's like, yeah, you're going

970
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: to the wedding, And then Tony is the one who's like,

971
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: you have to go in Socca and blah blah blah,

972
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: and Jess is like, I can't. And then Jess's dad

973
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: comes in. He's like what's going on? And Tony's like

974
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: Socca and and then Jesse's dad is the one who's

975
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: like soccer, you know, and and so her dad is

976
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: the one who's hiding that Jess has gone from both

977
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: her sister and her mother until Jess gets back. There

978
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: is an element of and it did again. It's like

979
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: this movie does so well generally that it's like not

980
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: the biggest deal. But if we're getting like nitpicky, both

981
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: Jesse's dad and Jules's Dad end up for their respective

982
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: storylines being the good guy of the family, which is

983
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: kind of a trope I feel like, comes up. I

984
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: can't think of it, but like there is you know,

985
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: like the mothers of both of those families are the

986
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: stricter ones. They're they're harder on their daughters. They're more

987
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: critical of them. The dads are critical and we'll back

988
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: the mom's up, but are usually the ones who go

989
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and are like, but it's okay, I'm

990
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: the nice one. And that happens with I mean Jules Dad.

991
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't think at any point is made to seem

992
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: strict in any way. He's just like soccer rules. In fact,

993
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: he says something like, um, you know, if our daughter

994
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: is more interested in playing football than chasing boys, Um

995
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: over the moon about that, which you know is we

996
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: can unpack that where it's like, well, what if she

997
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: did want to chase boys and you know, explore her sexuality?

998
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Dad? But um, but like his

999
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: character is like, I mean, he's barely a character at

1000
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: least just as Dad, we get some context, feels he

1001
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: feels right because he was was it, a cricket player,

1002
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like that the story gives him a

1003
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: little bit more context for why he's sort of trying

1004
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: to protect her um and things like that, because he

1005
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: also had experienced a lot of racism when he tried

1006
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: to play cricket they kicked him out. Because Yeah, I

1007
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: I noticed that too about the parents, that both of

1008
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: the mothers were way less chill, just like we're trying

1009
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: to either like suppress their daughters in some way where

1010
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: they like, you can't play soccer, or trying to like

1011
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: force an idea of femininity onto them. I feel like

1012
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: they were extra upset when because both families at one

1013
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: point or another think that their daughter is queer with

1014
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: the other character um. And yeah, the way like Juels

1015
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: mom handles it, there's like she crashes the wedding, like

1016
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: you said, like screams about shoes. And then there's a

1017
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: scene after that in the car where she's like, you know,

1018
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: you're a lesbian and she's like, uh, just because I

1019
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: wear khakis and play sport doesn't make me a lesbian.

1020
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: But like, also Jules's tone during that scene is a

1021
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: little problem. Yeah, so seam plays out, yeah, because then

1022
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: she says like there's like a pause and once joelss

1023
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: mom realizes and this happens with both families once they

1024
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: realized that their daughters aren't gay, and they're like, oh,

1025
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: gay people are fine. It's yeah, yeah, I another storation

1026
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: til I'm gonna make it real quick. I was in

1027
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: high school and like, there was this girl bowling my

1028
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: friend by like spreading rumors about her being a Lots fan.

1029
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: So I thought it would be funny if I came

1030
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: onto her because she was homophobic. So I did that,

1031
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: and then it turns out it wasn't just her that

1032
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: was homophobic. It was a whole bunch of people that

1033
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: are homophobic. I accidentally got myself semi gay bash when

1034
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: I was walking down the hallway and I was like,

1035
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm not actually, yeah, that isn't the high school things

1036
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: to happen to, Like, I know what I'll do, and

1037
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: then it's like, no, everyone's paid full, everyone and everybody

1038
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: here to help it. I was like, oh no, god,

1039
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: that's the words there the way scene with just and

1040
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: her mom at the end, it is kind of like

1041
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: played for laughs where um or no sorry Jules and

1042
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: her mom not to me Ja names uh, but you know,

1043
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: Jule says, besides being a lesbian. It's not that big

1044
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: a deal. And then her mom is you know, goes

1045
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: full hypocrite once she realizes her daughter is straight, Thank

1046
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: god is She's like, oh yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. Uh,

1047
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: and they're all like t he he he wear straight?

1048
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: But then oh, so the last thing I wanted to

1049
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: talk about was so the way they deal with female queerness.

1050
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: This movie comes out in the weird place. It's not

1051
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: totally bad, but it's weird. It's not fully accepted. But

1052
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: we also have Tony, who is a queer male character

1053
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: who I forgot about his storyline, but it is I

1054
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: feel like it is fully realized within the movie. There's

1055
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: just so much going on, but Tony is the one

1056
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: boy on the soccer team that Jess plays on at

1057
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: the beginning who is not horrible to her and it's

1058
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: nice to her and they get along and everyone thinks

1059
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: he has a crush on her, but it turns out

1060
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: he just respects her. The twist is he's gay and

1061
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: he respects her. So, I mean, I liked that scene

1062
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: where he you know, and just Jess as being like,

1063
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: you know where she's coming from, and she's like kind

1064
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: of grasping at straws and just wants to stop disappointing

1065
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: her family, and she's like, so do you like me?

1066
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: We should we should just want we should just get married,

1067
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: and in a way that if Tony were interested in her,

1068
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: would probably have been very hurtful of, like, well, I've

1069
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: decided to settle here. I am, I've done it. But

1070
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: then Tony is like, no, I just respect you. Also,

1071
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm gay. That's I mean. Jess is like, oh, that's

1072
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: you know, she's fine with it. Then there, But she's

1073
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: the only character, as far as we know, who knows

1074
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: about him being gay. He's the only person that he

1075
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: comes out too. So I think that if more people

1076
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: like in Jessice community knew about it, I feel like

1077
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: the movie might have handled it similarly to how like

1078
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: female queerness is perceived. So I think in general, yeah,

1079
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's this is like characters in two thousand

1080
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: two responding to queerness in the way that a lot

1081
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: of people in two thousand two would have responded to that.

1082
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's I think it's interesting and positive that

1083
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: Jess is still very respectful of him, and you know,

1084
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: he comes out to her and she's just like great,

1085
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't change their friendship at all or anything like that, Like, yeah,

1086
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: I thought that all was handled very well. Yeah. And

1087
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: then there's that the last minute scene with him where

1088
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: he says because he is so supportive of Jess his

1089
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: soccer career and doesn't think that her parents will ever

1090
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: support it, and so he's like, I'll marry her, you know,

1091
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: and the last things like I'll marry her. And I

1092
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: was so nervous because two thousand two, I was so

1093
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: nervous that she was going to outand same same I

1094
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: was like, So I was like, oh my god, I

1095
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 1: feel like in two thousand two people wouldn't have thought

1096
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: of as much of that. But she doesn't. She just

1097
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: says nice try Tony, like I need to beat tell

1098
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: the truth, and then she tells the truth about herself.

1099
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: I was just there was a moment where it's like,

1100
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, so sad. The same but she doesn't.

1101
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: Another another win, another character doing a just basic decency. Yeah,

1102
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: exactly his character. Also, like the big tournament at the end,

1103
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: all of the guys that she had been playing with

1104
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: in the park show up to that game to watch.

1105
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: Most of them are like, you know, very toxic masculinity. Bros.

1106
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, women playing soccer there boobs and

1107
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: oh how do they even do it? And they're like

1108
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: just like really over sexualizing and objectifying all the players

1109
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: on the team, and uh, Tony says something like can't

1110
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: you just see them as footballer? Like again, feminist icon,

1111
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: queer icon um. But an earlier scene shows a bunch

1112
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: of pinkies friends watching the men play soccer in the

1113
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: park and then similarly objectifying them and like, oh, look

1114
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: at his like sticks pack, and yeah, i'd I want

1115
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: to wank him off, And then Jess calls them a

1116
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: bunch of which sorry I did laugh that. Yeah, she

1117
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: does slut shame her sister's friends, which you know, is

1118
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: not the best thing that's ever happened. It's not. It

1119
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: feels so bad when you think someone's like on your

1120
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: level of creep. Like there was a hot bartender at

1121
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: the bottom of the theater and I turned to another

1122
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: girl and I was like, that dude is so smoking hot.

1123
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: I would totally funk him. And then she was just

1124
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: like oh, and I was like, oh no, that is

1125
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: literally every time I'm like I have a crush on someone.

1126
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: And then Caitlin's like, show me a picture and then

1127
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: I do, and then she's like, Okay, it's like I

1128
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: need to dine. Oh I didn't even want to run

1129
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: into traffic and get hit by a car. I'm sorry,

1130
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm so many tepid. Okay, it's from you. When I

1131
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: hit you with the visual, it's so it's so unchilled.

1132
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: We'll post it on our Instagram. No, I don't. I'm

1133
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: never going to show you anyone. I'm never ever well.

1134
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: I it's you know, what we all taste is subjective

1135
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: and you can like whoever you want. Mine's kind of bad,

1136
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: I'll say it. Mine's weird. It's all over the place.

1137
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie? But

1138
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: it's like back, a's interesting that a movie about women

1139
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: playing sports does have a title where a man's name

1140
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: is in the title that, yeah, is that really him?

1141
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: At the end like yeah, I think I feel like

1142
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: they get like archived footage or something, and I don't

1143
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: know it's a hologram. Um. I do want to say

1144
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: that there is a clip of Mia Hamm playing soccer

1145
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: in the movie, and the clip of soccer, Yeah, she

1146
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: and I share the same birthday. Um, so we are

1147
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: sisters twins or Twin Sisters Birthday Twin is Patrick Swayzey. Yeah,

1148
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: I guess overall, like I like this movie a whole lot,

1149
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: just on a base level of it being like a fun,

1150
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: entertaining movie, and then also, you know, watching it through

1151
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: the Bechtel cast lens, I really enjoy that it explores

1152
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: a lot of different things that we tend to talk

1153
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: about movies not paying any attention to. So the fact

1154
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: that this movie addresses like the concept of femininity and

1155
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: different things about sexuality, different things about racism, and all

1156
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: kinds of things that most movies just completely gloss over

1157
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: or don't pay any attention to or don't care about addressing.

1158
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: I really like all of that, and I like that

1159
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: it's effectively about a woman who is kind of she's

1160
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: got a struggle where she wants to pay respect to

1161
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: her family and honor them in their wishes, but also

1162
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: has the agency to like do her own thing, and

1163
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: too she wants to pursue her own goals and make

1164
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: her own choices. But yeah, it's just I think it's

1165
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: a great movie where you know, women are driving the narrative, Um,

1166
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: women are challenging different things, women have agency, women are

1167
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: kicking ass and kicking balls. So yeah, I don't know.

1168
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: And then, um, really quick, does this movie past the

1169
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: Bactel test one? Yeah, we don't even need to get

1170
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: into citing specific scenes because it's basically if there are

1171
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: two women talking in the movie. Almost every significant female

1172
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: pairing in this movie v it passes at one point,

1173
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: and usually especially between Jess and Jules, passes significantly because

1174
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: they talking about they want to stop talking about soccer.

1175
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: Jess and her sister, Pinky, Jess and her mom, Um,

1176
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: Jules and her mom. Yeah, Jess and jules mom. Every

1177
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, it's great. I'm always on the lookout

1178
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: for movies that pass all four of the following test

1179
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 1: the Bechtel test, the DuVernay test, the Vito Rosso test,

1180
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: and the Maco Morey test. This movie passes all for Yeah,

1181
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: that's wonderful, because you've got um so Bechtel tests we've

1182
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: already discussed um. The Duverney test requires that characters who

1183
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: are people of color have fully realized lives rather than

1184
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: service scenery for white stories, so this movie passes that

1185
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: test with flying colors. The Maco more test requires that

1186
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: there's at least one prominent female character who has her

1187
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: own narrative arc which is not about supporting a man's story,

1188
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: passes that test with flying colors. The Veto Russo test,

1189
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: the movie passes if it contains a character that is

1190
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: identifiably lgbt Q. So we've got that in Tony. Character

1191
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,839
Speaker 1: is not solely or predominantly defined by their sexual orientation

1192
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: or gender identity, which I would say is true for

1193
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: Tony too. And this is where it is a little tricky.

1194
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: The character must be tied into the plot in such

1195
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: a way that their removal would have a significant effect.

1196
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeahs Hers, Yeah, he's the one that

1197
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: makes her at the end of the wedding. He's pivotal

1198
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: to that. And then right, okay, yeah, so it passes off. Hurrah.

1199
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: Well with that, let's rate it on our nipple scale. Well,

1200
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: we we rate the movie based on its portrayal of

1201
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: women zero to five nipples. I'm going to give this

1202
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: like a a four and half. I think I think

1203
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: certain characters and how they handle the topic of queerness,

1204
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: specifically jewels and jewels is mom I think could be

1205
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: handled a little bit better. And I think that's if

1206
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: this movie was rewritten today. Those problems would be solved

1207
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: because this is an extremely progressive movie, and there's also

1208
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: a few I feel like I should have said earlier

1209
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: there are a few um queer slurs that go unchallenged

1210
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: in the movie. Where the racial slurs are challenged, the

1211
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: queer slurs are not. Yes, and then also like a

1212
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: half nipple off for the fact that the movie has

1213
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: this love triangle that doesn't need to be there. Yeah,

1214
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like it just kind of

1215
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: cheapens it a little bit. But overall, it's really cool

1216
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: to see a movie about a woman of color. We

1217
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: get all the context of her family. Great movie, great characters.

1218
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: Female characters are very well written and well developed. We

1219
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: so rarely see this. The fact that it's written and

1220
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: directed by an Indian woman is amazing. I'm so glad

1221
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: that this movie exists. And if you haven't seen it,

1222
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: check it out. A sap so four and a half

1223
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: nipples I'm going to give to to Jess, one to Jewels,

1224
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: one to Pinky, and a half nipple to Tony Cool.

1225
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'll go with four and a half as well.

1226
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: Let me let me see if I can do this

1227
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:29,480
Speaker 1: in sports terms. Okay, I'd say this soccer ball fumbles

1228
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: female queerness, but really dunks in every other card uh huh,

1229
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: time out. I like this. The only penalty would be

1230
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: what I already said was a fumble in conclusion in okay,

1231
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: and now I'm canceling. We're in overtime now and overtime

1232
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: fifth quarter. I would say that in all series is

1233
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: when I when I saw this movie when I was

1234
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:09,919
Speaker 1: a teenager, demonstrates the importance of portraying every culture possible

1235
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: in film and in mainstream film, because I know, I

1236
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: for sure didn't grow up around many Indian people at all,

1237
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: and I learned stuff from this movie. And I learned.

1238
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like this was my first exposure

1239
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: to a culture I wasn't familiar with, and it's done

1240
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: so responsibly and respectfully that I think if more cultures

1241
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: were portrayed in this way in film, the world would

1242
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: just be a better place. I really like this movie,

1243
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: and I'm happy that we we can keep watching it

1244
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: and feeling happy about watching it without feeling guilty about

1245
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: watching it. Yeah, So four and a half nipples. Giving

1246
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: two to Jess, I'll give one to Jewels, give one

1247
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: to Pinky, and then I give one. I'll give my

1248
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: last half one to Jess's mom because I like her.

1249
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: I would say, well, I'm going to be biased, so

1250
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give four point eight nipples. Yeah, I'm gonna

1251
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: give it a handicap for the time period, just because

1252
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: this is the first movie where I got to see

1253
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: someone represent what it feels like my story on screen.

1254
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 1: And it's like it was everything to me, you know,

1255
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: like it was just the coolest movie and I loved

1256
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: it like top to bottom. You know, yeah, I also

1257
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: want to see your exact story on screen, like that

1258
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: would be such a fun movie to watch. Who are

1259
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: you giving your nips to? Um? Give two to Jess,

1260
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: one to her mom, one to Karen Nightly how much

1261
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: does that like me? So too? And then I have

1262
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: point eight left. I'll give point eight to Tony, you know,

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Speaker 1: Where is it? Where is it? So? Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being here, so so much fun, yea. Where

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Speaker 1: cub was a choice that I rehoosed to take back

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Speaker 1: And um, Saturday at seven pm, there's a show at

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Speaker 1: So you should come to that. Awesome quite nice. Great.

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