1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody hanging out with us. I'm in Washington, d C. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Buck is in Miami. We are going to have a 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: bunch of different guests from Capitol Hill as I am 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: in the middle of the swamp this next couple of days. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Preciade all of you hanging out with us. We've been 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: talking a lot about the Michael Cohen cross examination and 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: the fact that Cohen has now admitted that he stole 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars from the Trump organization, which, 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: as we went to break we just told you CNN 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: has now admitted is more consequential in terms of its 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: criminality than anything that Donald Trump has been charged with. 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: I would just say, if you steal sixty grand you 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: are probably going to prison, right. I mean, there's a 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: good chance if you steal sixty thousand dollars from somebody, 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: you may do some time. If you write down the 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: wrong thing in your business ledger, you will not do 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: some time, at least if you're not Donald Trump. 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: No doubt, Harvard Harris poll is out showing Donald Trump 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: up six points. The numbers continue to move in Trump's direction. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: You just heard us talking with Senator Ron Johnson, who 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: has won a bunch of tough races in Wisconsin, and 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: we have certainly a tough senate and presidential race. About 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: five months and change away from happening, there ran the 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: helicopter crashes. We started off telling you the information that 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: the president and effectively their secretary of State both killed 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: in that helicopter crash. And we talked to you about 28 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen and the amount of insane millions of dollars 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: he was making trading on his influence, pedaling buck, I 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: want to come here now. There has been an arrest 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: warrant issued for Benjamin not net and Yahoo and other 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Israeli leaders relating to the actions they have taken to 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: defend themselves in the wake of the October seventh terror attack. 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: The ICC, that is, the International Criminal Court, has accused 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: them of human rights violations. And you might be out 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: there saying, okay, well, what's the impact of this. This 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: would theoretically mean that depending on the country that Netanyahu 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: went to, he could be arrested for international human rights violations. Now, 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that anyone, for instance, in the United 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: States is going to be arresting him. I like to 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: think that no one in any European country would be 42 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: doing this. 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: But it's a big deal. 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: And I think it speaks to the inability of not 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: only many people on the left in the United States, 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: but many people around the world to recognize the distinction 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: between defending yourself in the wake of a heinous terror 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: attack that took more lives of Jewish individuals than any 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: day since the Holocaust, and actually being a human rights violator, 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: as for instance, the Hamas terrorists are, or frankly Vladimir 51 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: Putin might be, who has also dealt with his own 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: potential human rights violations were his invasion and potential takeover 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. You served in the CIA, You've dealt in 54 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: foreign affairs for a long time. What's your reaction when 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: you hear that Benjamin Netnahu and other top Israeli leaders 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: are being have been charged and indicted with ICC by 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: the ICC with human rights violations. 58 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: I think that the ICC is a joke, that international 59 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: law is essentially a fiction, and that this is showing 60 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: us once again that whenever you have a multilateral international 61 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: agency of some kind, you somehow always find a lot 62 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: of anti Semitism in it. I mean, you see this 63 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: with the UN and un secure whether I mean or 64 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: you know, UN Human Rights Council for example, which at 65 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: one point had Libya sitting on the UN Human Rights Council, 66 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: and they were still passing condemnations of Israeli behavior and 67 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: Israeli action. The real issue here is that the Muslim world, unfortunately, 68 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: is absolutely soaked in anti Semitism. 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: That is, the truth. 70 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that every Muslim obviously is an anti semit 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: It just means that the Islamic world in general, and 72 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: anyone who would question this would have to explain why 73 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: do so few Muslim countries have normalized relations with Israel? 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: Why can't you travel? Why is it that you go 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: to certain countries and I've been to them, and you 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: even have an Israeli stamp in your passport and they 77 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: won't let you enter. You know, I don't know if 78 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: you know that, Klaim, but I didn't have any idea. No, 79 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: that's crazy. Yes, oh it's a big deal. There are 80 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: countries that I've been to where the presence of an 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: Israeli stamp will get you barred from the country. So 82 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: meaning as an American, for example, if you visited Israel 83 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: and then tried to go to Lebanon or tried to 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: go to I think Turkey may even be one of these, 85 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: but I'd have to go check. They're a handful of 86 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: number of these countries. Certainly don't want to try to 87 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: go to Pakistan with Israeli stamp, not an Israeli passport. 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: A stamp from Israel in your passport will get you 89 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: barred from the country. So there's a tremendous amount of 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: anti Semitism in the Muslim world. Okay, it is state backed, 91 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: in state sponsored, and their entire countries that are effectively, 92 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: as a Iran being among the most noteworthy as a 93 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: function of state policy anti Semitic. What does that matter 94 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: to the International Criminal Court? But you have all these 95 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: signatories to it, which Israel is not a signatory. In 96 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: America is not a signatory, and that is because of 97 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: exactly what we're seeing here. You have all these Islamic countries, 98 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: and unfortunately a lot of European countries, despite the history 99 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: of the last one hundred years or so, are deeply 100 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: anti Semitic to this day. There's a lot of anti Semitism. 101 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: So what I see here is exactly what we would expect, 102 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: and unfortunately it shows you the depth of the Jewish 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: the hatred for the Jewish people that comes from a 104 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: lot of places, because there is no country on earth 105 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: that would suffer what Israel suffered on October seventh, and 106 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: have so many different countries that honestly have nothing to 107 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: do with Palestine, nothing to do with Israel, doing everything 108 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: in their power to undermine Israel, to stop it from 109 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: defending itself, to prevent it from exercising it's sacred and 110 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: God given rights of self defense. I don't give a 111 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: crap what the International Criminal Court says. Israel is fighting 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: a just war. And all you really have to know 113 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: about this is claim the calls in the early now 114 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: it's all, oh, we don't like the prosecution of this war. 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: A lot of these countries that are now or you know, 116 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: whether it's groups, countries, international Criminal Court, they were calling 117 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: for a cease fire days after the terrorist attack of 118 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: October seventh, a cease fire. We don't remember, you know, 119 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: we don't. I shouldn't say remember. We don't hear about 120 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: that much anymore. But from the jew haters at the 121 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: UN and the Middle East and everywhere else, the expectation 122 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: was after their nine to eleven, and it was equivalent 123 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: to a nine to eleven style attack. After their nine 124 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: to eleven, they're supposed to open negotiations. Hamas still has hostages, 125 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: including as you rightly point out, American hostage five of them, 126 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: and it's on Israel to stop what it's doing. If 127 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: this were the case, Hamas would have figured out a 128 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: way that terrorism always wins. And that's unfortunately what's at 129 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: stake right now, because if people who are vicious and 130 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: evil can perpetrate the most heinous violence as a function 131 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: of state policy and then turn around and play the 132 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: humanitarian rights game and have all these useful idiots. 133 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: Saying, oh, but they're being too mean in the fight. 134 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: Against the other people, the terrorists always win. Anytime they 135 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: want to do this, they get to do this. That 136 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: is a completely unacceptable proposition. And the International Criminal Court, 137 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: Look what else if the US we're not a signatory 138 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: to it because we know that this nonsense, because eventually 139 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: we'd have to go to war with some you know, 140 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: crappy country somewhere, and all these human rights abusing third 141 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: world hellholes. 142 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: Would be like, oh, the US is an imperialist power. 143 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: We have to lock up their president. 144 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: Other news just came down the State Department. I don't 145 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: know if you've seen this yet, Buck, The State Department 146 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,479 Speaker 1: has issued a statement on the death of Iranian President 147 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: Raizi Rozi and others in a helicopter crash. 148 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: Sad austere religious scholar is that how they're describing them. 149 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: Go ahead. 150 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: The United States expresses its official condolences for the death 151 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: of Iranian President Ibraham Rozi, Foreign Minister Emir abdal Holyhan 152 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: and other members of their delegation in a helicopter crash 153 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: in northwest Iran. As Iran selects a new president. We 154 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: reaffirm our support for the Iranian people and their struggle 155 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: for human rights and fundamental freedoms. That's the last sentence, 156 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: which fine. Can you believe that the State Department is 157 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: issued an official condolence for the death of a terrorist 158 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: mass murderer who killed not only many of his own people, 159 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: but also was instrumental in so many attacks against American 160 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: soldiers in the Middle East. This feels like yet another 161 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: slap in the face from the Biden administration that they 162 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: would send official condolences from the United States government on 163 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: the death of a terrorist. 164 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 4: You know. 165 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: Look, the State Department, unfortunately is a very left wing, 166 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: infiltrated place, and has been even since I was in 167 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: the CIA, and the CIA is now as well, so 168 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that they would say something like this. 169 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: I think it's also interesting to me to see how 170 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: many people are assuming that there is some external hand 171 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: in this, or that this is a that would that 172 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: would have to be that would involve a level of 173 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: knowledge of Iranian politics that I think assumes too much, 174 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: meaning well, who comes into power now, who takes over? 175 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: What does this do internally? So I see this as most. 176 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: Likely an accident, as I said, although I'm open to 177 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: persuasion otherwise. You know, I'm just noting. I didn't think 178 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: the nord Stream pipeline was an accident. Everybody, and I 179 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: said so on this show. I'm not an official government 180 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: line guy, but helicopters in mountainous areas in bad weather 181 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: do fail. It does happen, they do go down, Okay, 182 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: nord Stream pipeline don't blow themselves up, and only a 183 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: few people would know how to do that. So I 184 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: see things, I think for what they are, but I 185 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: think it's unlikely unfortunately to change any major dynamics in 186 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: the region. Because one problem, whether it's Iran or Syria, 187 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: which are very closely linked North Korea, any number of 188 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: states play that are truly tyrannies, is that they spend 189 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: almost all of their energy on one thing and one 190 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: thing only, and that is staying in power. And everybody 191 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: who has any power is part of that machine. And 192 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: everybody who's in the military, everybody who's in the upper 193 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: political circles, every bureaucrat, for every government institution, their number 194 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 2: one priority isn't a constitution, it isn't a just society. 195 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: It is how do we stay as the people in charge? 196 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: And in some cases, because they realize if they don't, 197 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: they're all going to rot in prison the rest of 198 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: their lives. They might all be executed. Right, So that's 199 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: this is the challenge with it in autocracy, which is 200 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: what you have in Iran right now, is it's very 201 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: hard to get change. It eventually happens, but look how 202 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: long it took with the Soviet Union. So you know, 203 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: I saw people tweeting over the weekend like, oh my gosh, 204 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: World War three. 205 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: Is about to start. No, it's not. It's not going 206 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: to start over this. 207 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: The question now I think that's open is does it 208 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: create much of a change in policy from the Iranian 209 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: reas or changing actions from the Iranian regime. I think 210 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: the answer is probably no. It's a really intractable problem. 211 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: And everybody who has been either there are two kinds 212 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: of people that get attention on the Iranian issue across 213 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: the board. People who are overly pessimistic there's going to 214 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: be a war any day now, and they've been saying 215 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: that for twenty years, or people who are overly optimistic, 216 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: which is, oh my gosh, you know, do you see 217 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: that they're actually allowing like more Western TV shows on 218 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: a legal satellite dishes. They're going to flip any day 219 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: now and become you know, Western democracy. 220 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: No. 221 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: Usually, Tyrannies just managed to go far longer than people think. 222 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: They will have a far higher human casualty and human toll, 223 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: and eventually they collapse under their own weight, and no 224 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: one can predict when. And I'm not sure Ron is 225 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: anywhere near that point in time. But status quo is 226 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: not a way to get attention in the headlines. Clay, 227 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: that's the problem. 228 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: You've also got, I mean, frankly eighty five year old Dietola, 229 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: who effectively is in control of everything. So when people 230 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: here president, they may think it's more significant. Again also 231 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: basically they're set secretary of state both dying. I just 232 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: think that the Amaldy people in the media could even 233 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: name the president until this happened. Clay the president of 234 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: iran oh I mean scarier than media. How many politicians 235 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: could even name it? Who are even dealing with foreign relations? 236 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: I could Biden? I don't think Biden. 237 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: I mean, if you read the newspapers, you know about 238 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: the Ayatola. Yes, if you read the newspapers you didn't 239 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: know about this guy. 240 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: I think that's correct. We come back. 241 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: Senator Haggerty has got an emergency health related in his family. 242 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: Can't be on with us right now. We certainly wish 243 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: his family the best. He's fine, but we will talk 244 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: with him at some point in the future. Let's dive 245 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: in a little bit more into some of this craziness 246 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: surrounding the Michael Cohen trial. We will dive into that 247 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: and discuss and look, by next week, the jury's going 248 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: to have it in his hand. Should we be optimistic 249 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: or should we be pessimistic? This case is basically over. 250 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: You know, the birth rate in our nation has slowed 251 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: down to a new low according to a study release 252 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: this past month that looked at data from twenty twenty three. 253 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: There'll be a lot of speculation on why that is 254 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: and even how much the current conversation on abortion in 255 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: our nation has on that birth rate. We know planned 256 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: parenthood is as well funded as ever. 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As we've mentioned 297 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: to you, the big revelation today is you have Michael 298 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: Cohen admitting that he committed I mean, he said under 299 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: oath that he committed what would be maybe it's unprosecutable 300 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: now grand larceny from a client and from his then 301 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: mentor and friend, Donald Trump. And the entire case revolves 302 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: around Michael cohen testimony in the first place. So you 303 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: have a admitted serial liar, disbarred attorney, convicted felon, and 304 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: now admitted thief as the centerpiece of the government's case 305 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: against a past and likely future president. Clay, what could 306 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: they do to add to the absurdity of this point? 307 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: At this point, it's a great question and update from 308 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: the trial. Todd blanche, the defense attorney for Trump, says 309 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 2: there's a likelihood we will rest today. There's been some 310 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: talk about whether Trump will take the stand. That means 311 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: that he would not. Expectation has been that he would not. 312 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: This case hasn't been proven, there's no need for him to. 313 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: But the actual defense case could be done today, which 314 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: would mean they'll schedule closing arguments, make motions to dismiss 315 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: the case. 316 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: But this case has ended up. 317 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: Being I think, just kind of blowing up in the 318 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: prosecution's face, but effectively could be concluded in terms of 319 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: testimony today. 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And I'm not saying 343 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden twenty twenty campaign was some sort of effervescent, 344 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: incredible communicator and political figure. He was not very good 345 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty when they hit him in the basement, 346 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: but he was able to go on the road in Iowa, 347 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: and he was able to go on the road in 348 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: New Hampshire and South Carolina, and he was doing public events, 349 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: he was doing town halls, all of those things that 350 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: they won't allow him to do. Now and Trump has 351 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: picked up on one of the things that we've been 352 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: talking about on this show for some time. Even took 353 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: calls from doctors about last week. It looks like Biden 354 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: is on drugs. And I'm not talking about cocaine. I'm 355 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: not talking about weed, right, that's hunter y, That's that's hunter. 356 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about some sort like we had caller who said, hey, 357 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: we think he's on pervigil, which was you know, is 358 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: designed to keep your alacrity up and your senses on 359 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: edge and you're more with it. Trump now is saying 360 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: that he wants Joe Biden drug tested. And here is 361 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: cut six from Trump, I believe over the weekend at 362 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: one of his rallies listening to cuts sorry, cut yeah, 363 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: cut six. 364 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 4: I'm going to demand a drug test too. By the way, 365 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 4: I am, no, I really am. I don't want him 366 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 4: coming in like the State of the Union. 367 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: He was high as a kite. They said, is that. 368 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: Joe up there, beautiful row And by the end of 369 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: the evening he's like, well, it was exhausted. 370 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: Right now, we're going to demand a drug test. But 371 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: fake Tapper and these people. Are they going to be fine? 372 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 3: Are they going to be fair? I think they're going 373 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: to be fair enough. They're not. You know, you have to. 374 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: Deal with it, right, So they call them fake Tapper. 375 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: It's a great nickname. 376 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: And he also then said I accepted the debate with 377 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: Tapper because they thought I wouldn't. This is the June 378 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: twenty seventh CNN debate. I also thought, Buck, I don't 379 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: know if you saw this. Over the weekend, Trump accepted 380 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: an additional debate invite from NBC and Telemundo. Given how 381 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: Biden is hemorrhaging support with Hispanic voters, I thought that 382 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: was a super interesting move by Trump, not to mention, 383 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: how is MSNBC going to criticize their parent company trying 384 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: to throw a debate. But Trump also addressed fears and 385 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: I heard from a lot of you, and I'm sure 386 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: you did, too, Buck, from people who say, hey, this 387 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: is going to be such a rig debate with CNN 388 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: with as you said, fake Tapper, as Trump calls him 389 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: as the primary moderator. Trump addressed that here's cut seven. 390 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: I accept the debate. 391 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 4: I accepted, you know why, because nobody thought he was 392 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 4: going to debate. 393 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: They didn't think I'd accepted. 394 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: I accept. 395 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 4: Then another one called. They put out another one. 396 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: I said, I accept. 397 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 4: They didn't even tell me where it was, who it was. 398 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: I didn't care. 399 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: What the hell difference, I said, Mac, I mean, you know, 400 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 4: so we did something that they were shocked at. They 401 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 4: had no idea that you know, they figured, well, we're 402 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 4: not going to do Shanna, We're not going to have 403 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 4: Chapper be the guy, and we're not going to have 404 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 4: other people involved in that show that you know, we 405 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 4: say said there was no negotiation. 406 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: I said, I accept anything you want. 407 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: Let's debate. 408 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: That's where we're going. And I continue to believe, and 409 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: you heard Ron john Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin, if 410 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: you were listening in the second hour, sounds like he's 411 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: pretty clearly in the truth Justice in Clay Travis Camp 412 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden is not going to be the nominee. 413 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: I continue to think Buck this June twenty seventh is 414 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: past fail for Joe Biden. If he is not good, 415 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: they are going to accelerate the idea and the talk 416 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: of replacing him as they continue to spend tens of 417 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: millions of dollars. The polls aren't moving in fact, they're 418 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: actually moving against Biden. The new Harvard Harris poll out 419 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: today has Trump up six the betting markets to the 420 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: extent that they are signing and worth following. The money 421 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: is pouring in on Trump now he's a massive favorite. 422 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: Trump is to win Georgia, to win Arizona, and to 423 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: win Nevada, which would mean the only pathway to Joe 424 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: Biden if that winning reelection, if those states were to flip, 425 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: would mean Biden has to win Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, 426 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: and he would also have to win the Omaha Nebraska 427 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: single electoral vote to win by two electoral votes. It's 428 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: looking like that might possibly be the most likely route 429 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: by which Joe. 430 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: Biden were to win reelection. 431 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: So there is I think a great deal of nervousness 432 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: and lack of confidence associated with that. 433 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that there are people who are nervous 434 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: about it. I still go back to I do not 435 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: believe that they have a really decent alternative, and if 436 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: they did, they would have gone with it a long 437 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: time ago. Look, you heard Ron Johnson talking about this 438 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 2: with us earlier on in the program, when he was 439 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: saying that you know it's going to be a tough 440 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: fight in this state of Wisconsin. There's no question it's 441 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: going to be a tough fight in Wisconsin. That shouldn't 442 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: be the case, but I think it will be the case. 443 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: And I think that's a little bit of a harbinger 444 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: of things to come for the presidential election. This should 445 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: be an absolute wipeout. But let's just take a momentary 446 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: review of recent years. The Democrats somehow have managed to 447 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: escape all accountability for COVID. The Democrats somehow aren't being 448 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: blamed for negative net worth over four years for the 449 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: average American family, while Trump did twenty percent increase after 450 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: four years for the average American family. 451 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: Like, there's clearly clearly major. 452 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: Points that you can look at and understand why it 453 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: is that Joe Biden has been a failure. And yet 454 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is still going to have to eke out 455 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: every vote he needs in every pl place that he 456 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: needs it in order to win this thing. So I 457 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: understand that right now it can seem like, how is 458 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: it even possible? But I refuse to forget what it 459 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: felt like in May of twenty twenty two, when you 460 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: had a lot of the similar trends and somehow Democrats 461 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: were able to just get it where they needed it, 462 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: how they needed it. And you know that that's why 463 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 2: we just need to be focused all the way here 464 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: and do everything that we can, I believe to stay 465 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 2: stay on it, you know, keep the pedal to the metal, no. 466 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: Doubt they by the way, I'm reading from inside of 467 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: the courtroom, they have adjourned early. And man, this is 468 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: a messy situation going on in the trial right now, 469 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: where it appears things are basically ready to go to 470 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: the jury, but now there's a last minute debate about 471 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: whether or not someone is able to actually testify or not. 472 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: So this is kind of crazy. 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Clay Travis 500 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: and Buck Sexton. 501 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. 502 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: We're gonna be closing up shop here, and I wanted 503 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: to tell you, to remind you if I could, that 504 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: it is a great time for First of all, subscribe 505 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: to Crocket Coffee. 506 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: Go to Crocketcffee dot com. Please subscribe. 507 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: Get your coffee from us because we love you, We 508 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: love America, we love patriotism, we love American history. Don't 509 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: get it from some communists, some nameless, faceless brand that's 510 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: trying to fund DEI and all kinds of woke initiatives. Plus, 511 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: our coffee taste better than yours. You say, wait, is 512 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: that really true? 513 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 3: Try it. 514 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: You'll see for yourself. Crocketcoffee dot Com. Sign up, go 515 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: check it out and you will be very pleased you did. Also, 516 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 2: the Clay and Buck podcast feed is phenomenal. We got 517 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Show, Carol Markowitz Show, Sean Parnell's Show, 518 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: Lisa Booth Show. I mean, we got shows on shows 519 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: and they are all fantastic. These are all hand picked 520 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: talents from the world of conservative commentary and they do 521 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: a great job. So you get our podcast, of course, 522 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: which we hope you all listen to on demand, down 523 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 2: with the iHeartRadio app to do so, and we will 524 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: be good to go from there. Let me see what 525 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: else do I have here for you, Clay. I was 526 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: in New York City of the weekend visiting family. 527 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: Do you miss it? As a wifelong New Yorker who 528 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: now lives in Miami. There's a lot of people who've 529 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: made that move. Do you miss living in New York City? 530 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: I still have so much nostalgia for the place. I 531 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: go around, and it feels more comfortable for me than 532 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: any other place in the world still because I know 533 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: it better. 534 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: It doesn't. It's interesting. 535 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: The longer I'm away from it, the more it feels 536 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: like a lot of the complaints about the dirtiness of 537 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: the streets and situation on the subway, that's all true. 538 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: In fact, Ginger also known as Ginger Spice, that's what's 539 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: on her driver's license. She was with us, which was 540 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: great because she got to spend time with my little 541 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: almost four year old nephew and they had a lot 542 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: of fun. He loves fluffy Ginger. Who doesn't. But she 543 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: was kind of a head turner, more so than usual 544 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: because the city streets were so dirty, and they also 545 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: we're a little wet from the rain that we got 546 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: her little booties and let me tell you you put 547 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: little little rubber boots on your dog, and all of 548 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: a sudden, everybody's just like, oh my gosh, are those 549 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: little rubber boots on your dog? 550 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 3: The answer is yes, that's right. 551 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: We want to keep her little paws nice and dry, 552 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: so we people stopping even more so than usual. I 553 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: want to hang out with her. But it was also 554 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: an indication I think, unfortunately the city streets are not 555 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 2: in good shape. It's it's not a city that is 556 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: on the rise the way it was i'd say fifteen 557 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: years ago, when things were just humming in New York 558 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: City it was doing so well. 559 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: Did you see, speaking of things that used to be 560 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: doing well, this story, I just can't believe it's real. 561 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you saw it. Did you 562 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: see the Oregon trans runner, this dude who won the 563 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: Oregon women's high school state title and they booed him 564 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: as he crossed the finish line. But for all these 565 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: people out there who keep saying, we're gonna have Riley 566 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: Gaines on the show tomorrow and we'll have this conversation 567 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: with her, for sure. But for all these people out there, 568 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: you speak about just things that you wouldn't have believed 569 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: or possible. People say, Oh, I don't know why you 570 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: care about this. Yeah, for the number of times that 571 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: they say I don't know why you care about this, 572 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: And then there's a state champion who's a dude who's 573 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: just beating girls like this is crazy. And the fact 574 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: that there were people booing, yet they're voting for politicians 575 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: that make this real is got to be sort of 576 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: a congruous And the same way with New York City, 577 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: where when you look around and you see how bad 578 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: it's become, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, you have to blame 579 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: yourself because people are voting for these policies to be 580 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: put in place. But I just keep wondering when the 581 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: reality is finally going to take and you're gonna get 582 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: a Juliani in all these different cities type who just 583 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: comes in and says, you knuckleheads, let me fix what 584 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: should be an amazing place just by enforcing truth, justice, 585 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: and a little bit of sanity. I worry that some 586 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: places are are too ideologically ossified and are too maybe 587 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: have too many dumb people to be honest, low information voters, 588 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: and also just start to think that these places have 589 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: to be like this and I think I don't know 590 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: if I mentioned the show. My little brother went to 591 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: Japan recently just for fun with his wife. They just 592 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: have never been. I've always wanted to go. I don't 593 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: want to go. 594 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: Have you been? No? No, I love it. We don't 595 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: have to do. 596 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck live from Tokyo at some point, all 597 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: of a Suddener engineers. That would be good, yes, but no, 598 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: I think that would be a lot of fun. I 599 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 2: have no idea what time it would even be over. 600 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: There would be very different timetable. But to be in 601 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: a country, this is one thing I can take from 602 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,239 Speaker 2: everyone I know who's been there, and I think it 603 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: matters for Americans, and it's important that we hear this. 604 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: A country of over one hundred million people where there 605 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: is effectively no violent crime, no trash in the streets, 606 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: no disorder, and no dysfunction, that it is possible, in fact, 607 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: you can be And this is not some little you know. 608 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: It's one thing to say, oh, there's an island to 609 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: the South Pacific where there's no Yeah, well, you know, 610 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: if three hundred people live there and they all know 611 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: each other and there's no one else coming in or 612 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: coming or going really except for wealthy tourists. That doesn't 613 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: really count. Japan is as a country with over one 614 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: hundred million people, where you can basically I don't know. 615 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: I mean it's probably it's definitely under one hundred murders 616 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: a year in the whole country. I mean that the 617 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: number of murders is absolutely infinitesimal. Then the crime is 618 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: so low. And I bring it up not because oh, 619 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: why can't we be like Japan, No, we're very different. 620 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: I understand that we don't have to accept these things 621 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: that we accept in American cities. Now, we don't have 622 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: to have crime, we don't have to have disorder, we 623 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: don't have to have dirty streets. These are choices, choices 624 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: made by who you vote for, choices made by what 625 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: you support and how you live your own life. Right, 626 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: But there are choices that are being made that lead 627 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: us to these situations in all these places. And it's 628 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: not you know, like, there's always going to be some 629 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: rich people and some poor people, Like there's always going 630 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: to be people that make good decisions and bad decisions. 631 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: You can't get rid of everything that is unpleasant in society, 632 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: but you don't have to have cities in America with 633 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: murder rates that are worse than any city in I 634 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: rock right. 635 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: Now, which we do speaking of cities with incredible and 636 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: way too high murder rates. I'm in DC right now. 637 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: I went to college here. I was looking up some 638 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: of the data because I was curious. When I got 639 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: to college in DC nineteen ninety seven was very high. 640 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: It basically fell for about twenty five years, got better 641 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: and better and better until COVID. And now it has 642 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: skyrocketed to such an extent here that we are all 643 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: the way back to where we were in nineteen ninety seven. 644 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: So things got bad in DC. Many of you out 645 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: there will remember how dangerous it got when I was 646 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: a freshman in college in ninety seven. The numbers started 647 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: to kind of collapse. We got a new mayor, I 648 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: remember Anthony Williams, who was sort of a data nerd 649 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: and guru, and they put force, put support behind police, 650 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: They started to enforce the law, and DC had about 651 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: twenty years where things got progressively better. And now all 652 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the wheels have come off and they 653 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: are setting twenty five year highs again on murder. And 654 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: it's like the last twenty years just didn't happen, things 655 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: got worse, and much of American life is about trying 656 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: to make things better. This city that I'm in right now, 657 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: there are many things that are wrong with you, but 658 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: just in terms of sheer safety of the people who 659 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: live here has collapsed over the last several years. 660 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and again it's because of choices. This is 661 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: not a This is not a natural disaster or something. 662 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: It's not a tornado, it's not an This is what happens. 663 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: We deal with it as best we can, no matter 664 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: how you know, damaging or tragic it may be. This 665 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: could all go away, and in fact, we know how 666 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 2: to make it go away. But there are people who, 667 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: for their own reasons lie lie about this. They pretend that, 668 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: you know, enforcing the law is somehow an unfair thing. 669 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 2: They pretend that quality of life crimes are not a 670 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: real concern. I mean, I'll tell you one thing. Walk 671 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: on the streets of New York City. There is marijuana 672 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: smoke everywhere. 673 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 3: Everywhere. 674 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: You are breathing in weed smoke all over the place. 675 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 2: And I blame myself at some level. Not I mean, 676 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: I don't smoke marijuana, and I haven't touched the stuff 677 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: in thirty years over thirty years. Wait, is it over 678 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: thirty years if you get whole? I know, No, not 679 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: over thirty years, over twenty five whatever. 680 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 3: The point is. 681 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: Not since I was eighteen years old. The point is 682 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: they could get rid of all this stuff if they 683 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 2: wanted to, but they don't want too, quay, and I 684 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: think there's a big lesson in that for how the 685 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: country's functioning and how Joe Biden is president right now. 686 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow. I'll be in DC. Senator 687 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee is going to join us. Will 688 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: also be joined by Riley Gaines More. I believe there's 689 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: a good chance our friend Jim Jordan is going to 690 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: swing by lots to talk about tomorrow as well. Trump 691 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: trial looks like it's going to be coming to a 692 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: close soon. First major impact of what the jury might 693 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: do could get it soon as part of the closing arguments. 694 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: We'll break all that down for you in more Tuesday edition. 695 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: Claim Buck