1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from house stuff Works 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Crowhart Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Cloud. Right, you gotta 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: pass me the conk so I can speak. Okay, thanks, 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: Now I have the conk. Go ahead, I almost spoke, 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: all right. Here, here's the con I almost spoke without 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: a conk. Here's the conk. Okay, thanks. We can do 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: that the whole time, and we need like a circle 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: of people to turn around and shout what we're saying 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: that everybody else you can't hear. Would you or would 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: you not ever attend Burning Man? No? No, I mean 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: it sounds awesome, and like, I think it's pretty cool 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: that the people who go there having a good time. 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: But man, not for me either. I don't. I don't. Yeah, 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: I like looking at pictures. Yeah, it seems like a 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: fun time. It seems like it would be a really 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: need experience, but actually going in in reality. Now, thanks 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: for begetting that out of the way. I was just curious. 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: I'll use one of my father's old lines, I wouldn't 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: go to Burning Man if it was in my backyard. 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: Oh really? He well, not Burning Man, but he that 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: used to be I wouldn't see I wouldn't see so 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: and so play if they're in my backyard. So but 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: that's almost like like you despise that. It sounds like 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: you wouldn't go to Burning Man just because. Oh no, 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: I don't despise it. I was just kidding, right, it's 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's a very interesting thing and I'm excited 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: to talk about it. Well, let's talk about it, Chuck. 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: If you have been living under a rock for the 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: past like fifteen or so years, since it's become a thing, um, 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: we'll tell you what Burning Man is. It's a week 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: long festival. It's held out in the desert, the Black 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Rock Desert in Nevada. Black Rock City. They create and 34 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: their very own city, right, and it is like a 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: planned city out in the desert. It's a small city. 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: It's meant to be temporary because, as we'll see, everything 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: that isn't taken down at Burning Man ends up burning 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: and carried out. Right, everything that's not taken down it 39 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: is burned. And that that's one of the tenants. We'll 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: get to the tenants. Oh yeah, the principles, right, yeah, 41 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: the prince of the ten principles. But just like if 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: you are a burner, that's what they're called, and you 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: go to Burning Man and you're just there for the week, 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: the festival, the fun um, and you get there, there's 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: a city, and you leave and there's a city, And 46 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: if you went a month on either side, there would 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: be nothing there because there's a group of volunteers who 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: works as part of the Burning Man festival who go 49 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: and build the city and then take it down. Because 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: it's what you're saying. One of the tenants, one of 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: the ten principles is leave no trace. That's right. So 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: when they leave, there's allegedly not a trace that they 53 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: were ever there. I want to test that in this 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: ancient lake bed in Arroyo. Yeah. It's uh. It is 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: August September three this year, and this year's art theme 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: of an art theme every year is a cargo cult. Yeah, 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. I think so. UM two thousand ten, 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: its Metropolis two thousand nine was evolution before that American Dream, 59 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: Hope and Fear the Green Man. They just have different 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: art themes and Um. One of the things you can 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: do there as a burner is build, uh, either create 62 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: your own theme. UM group and experience like a camp, 63 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: like a group, Yeah, like a theme camp, which can 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: be anything. I mean, did you look at some of 65 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: the theme camps. It's all over the map. Or and 66 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: or create your own big public work of art that 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: is under that main theme. And while you're out there, 68 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna need a place to live. And a lot 69 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: of people make art out of that. I mean really 70 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: cool stuff, right, Like I'm not easily impressed. But when 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: we look at some of these Burning Man um I 72 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: want to say phibits, but art pieces, and it's just 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: mind blowing how involved these things are that these people 74 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: carry in and a symbol from all over the world. Yeah, 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: and like you said, the theme that's that's given out 76 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: a cheer is meant to kind of unite all these 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: pieces of art into something some common thread. Yet, but 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you can just do whatever you want. It 79 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: is Burning Man. After it's very strict. If you show 80 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: up with any art that doesn't fall within the prescribed guidelines, 81 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: they will turn you away. No, And you make that 82 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: joke because Burning Man is very much known for its 83 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: anything goes atmosphere. It wasn't until two thousand and four 84 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: that there were ten principles that became official. Um, and 85 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: this thing started in nine I think six. Yeah, let's 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: get let's go back, let's go way back. San Francisco. 87 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: At was it Baker Beach? Um, a group of friends 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: burned in eight foot tall man made out of wood 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 1: as an effigy. Um. The founder and the first dude 90 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: to do that was what was his name, Harvey Milk. No, 91 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: his name was Larry Harvey. Larry Harvey was close. He 92 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: supposedly got the idea from this other friend of his, 93 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: this woman who had burned things in effigy on that 94 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: beach before. Um. I think that's where he supposedly got 95 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: the idea. It was not from the movie The Wicker Man. 96 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, a lot of people made that comparison. 97 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: And he's like, no, you guys are way off. And 98 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: they're like, and have you seen the dreamwork? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, 99 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: the original was pretty neat. Yeah, bizarre. Um. So they 100 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: burned this eight foot tall man and uh come of 101 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: through a little party. And then the next year that 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: became a larger man, and a few more people and 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: a few more until ah, it became so large that 104 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: San Francisco said, you can't be burning things that large 105 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: on this beach. They said, fine, we'll go take it 106 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: to the high desert. Well, apparently Larry Harvey was like, fine, 107 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: we won't burn it, but we're gonna Can we keep 108 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: this thing up? And and uh, this is the year 109 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 1: that like people showed up because the San Francisco Cacophony Society, 110 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: which grew out of the Suicide Club, which is pretty 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: cool in and of itself, put it in the newsletter 112 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: that this thing was going on. So a bunch of 113 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: people showed up. Larry Harvey said that, um, okay, we 114 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: won't burn this thing, but we're gonna leave it up 115 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: and we'll just take it down. And everybody's like, whoa, no, 116 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: we gotta burn it. So at the end of that one, 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: they disassembled it and decided that they would go burn 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: it in the desert. That's right. And I looked to 119 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: see if there was an original symbol symbolic uh, you know, 120 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: moved behind this, and I don't think there was other 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: than he just called it an act of radical self expression, 122 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: which I don't think it represented anything. That's one of 123 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: the tenants the principles, that's right, But it wasn't like 124 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: he's the man keeping us down and we're burning him, 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: right exactly, although it definitely has become that in a 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: lot of sense, not necessarily the Burning Man, but other 127 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: stuff that's burned at Burning Man. UM. That was right, Uh, yeah, 128 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: started in eighty six and then nine when I think 129 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: they moved desert. Yeah, they went to burn it at 130 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: the end of eighty nine to end the festival. In 131 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: eighty nine and the ninety the whole thing began and 132 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: ended in the desert, and Um it became very much 133 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: this thing where it's a there are very few rules, 134 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: no laws. Some people refer to it as a temporary 135 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: autonomous zone. Basically it is a little town, like we've said, 136 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: that is just totally left alone by the authorities. The 137 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: the org, which is the group that runs the Burning 138 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: Man festival. UM deals with the Bureau of Land Management, 139 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: and the BLM is like, okay, you guys, just don't 140 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: mess this place up, and we'll let you do, and 141 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna leave you alone. And they're left alone and 142 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: everybody goes in. They form UM this social experiment, which 143 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: is a a a city, a place, a group of 144 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: culture without consumerism or commodification. Yeah, no consumerism, no buying 145 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and selling of things. No. Uh, I mean it's not 146 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: a music festival. Although there is music there, like lots 147 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: of like DJ parties and stuff, but it's not like 148 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: Lollapaloosa or something or fall. There's nobody who's supposed to 149 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: be making money off of this, Yeah, for profit. The 150 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: only thing that really costs money is ice. Yeah, and 151 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: a few other things. But there supposedly is no cash 152 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: transactions between burners. Right, well, hold on before we go 153 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: any further, Chuck, It seems like it's a good time 154 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: for a message. CNN presenting Morgan Spurlock Inside Man, a 155 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: new original series, Sunday Night, ten Eastern and Pacific on CNN. So, uh, okay, 156 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: where were we? We were in the desert. This thing 157 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: is growing from and if you look at year by year, 158 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: it's like eight hundred, than two thousand, than four thousand, 159 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: than six, than ten, then fifteen, and it literally just 160 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: kind of crept up like that up to the point 161 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: now where I believe they're actually capping it at fifty 162 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: and they're selling tickets and it's now selling out. Yeah. 163 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: The first time it ever sold out was in two 164 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, and they have it set up first of 165 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: all so that you can't scout like you are allowed 166 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: to per credit card. Okay, but that apparently it's just 167 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: led to people like having a bunch of people call 168 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: with their credit cards and keeping all of them for themselves. 169 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: They also have it on a sliding scale, so if 170 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: you are buying early, you pay more. So I think 171 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: it's like six fifty bucks for a ticket. That's the 172 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: opposite of how things you like that usually work, right, 173 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: usually the early purchase of the cheaper ones and it 174 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: gets more expensive. This does the exact opposite. It's a 175 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: little weird. They get um cheaper and cheaper as it comes. 176 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: And apparently they're also work all low income tickets which 177 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: are half price of the lowest normal price. And then 178 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: apparently a lot of times if you show up there 179 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: will be scalpers there, but they're selling the tickets for 180 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: less than face value, sometimes half of the lowest price, 181 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: just to fit that. Uh yeah, that's kind of cool. 182 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: And um, I'm sure people give away a ticket here 183 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: or there. Uh, but it's gotten to the point now 184 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: now that it's sold out officially fifty tickets I think 185 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: or um, now it's like different, like you have to 186 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: buy a ticket you can't just show up because you 187 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: might drive through hundred fifty miles from San Francisco and 188 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: then be like, we can't let you in. Sorry, Yeah, 189 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: there's the rules. Uh, there is rules. There aren't many 190 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: rules aside from that though. Um, like you said, it's 191 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: kind of anything goes everything from sex clubs two people 192 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: setting up their own bars, to filmmakers and artists and 193 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: performance artists, and I mean it's really anything goes um 194 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: And one of the things that they try to get 195 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: people to do is take a little piece of that 196 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: attitude back home with them. You know that it's this 197 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I imagine there's a lot 198 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: of There's some people who are true devotes of Burning 199 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: Man and this Burning Man philosophy and like there they 200 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: go set up the city and like they maintain the 201 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: website you're around. There's others who are like new, There's 202 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: some who are like there, but there are they're still 203 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: bringing in a lot of the hang ups from the 204 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: outside world, and like sure they have dreads, but they're 205 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: also like real gossipy or whatever, and there's like just 206 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: normal joes. A lot of a lot of d i 207 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: y makers love going to Burning Man because like you're 208 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: out there in the desert and like you better build 209 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: yourself a shade structure where else you're going to burn. Um, 210 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of hands on building. Um. So 211 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of normal people with normal jobs who 212 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: use a week of their vacation to go out to 213 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: the desert and just totally cut loose and like you're saying, yeah, 214 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: like you're saying, part of the hope is that all 215 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: of the stuff that happens here and just relaxing and 216 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: forgetting about like having to spend money on something or 217 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, like sharing your food with somebody you've never met, 218 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: All of this stuff is meant to be carried out 219 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: into the rest of your life the other fifty one 220 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: weeks a year is the author of the article puts it. Yeah, 221 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: like I just I just gave away my last bit 222 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: of food, but uh, God gave me three hits of acid, 223 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: And I just had sex with four strangers, right and 224 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: I haven't worn't close for the last three days and 225 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: we all smell and it's great. Yeah. Now, there's certain 226 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: aspects of it you probably shouldn't bring back into your 227 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: normal life, Like going to work naked is a bad 228 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: idea under almost all circumstances. Um. But the mindset, the 229 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: philosophy behind it just kind of like, uh, like none 230 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: of this matters as much as a lot of people 231 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: put stock into it. Agreed. So black Rock City itself, 232 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: if you have ever, it's not just a big mass 233 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: of tents um. It is actually has a design. If 234 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: you look at photos of Burning Man from above, it 235 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: is a big cum Oh yeah, yeah you have You 236 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: never seen the aerial shop. I don't know it should 237 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: be a b sure or him. Uh And it is 238 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: a big ce with um. The burning Man they just 239 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: call him. The man is at the center, of course, 240 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: and supposedly you can. They have him up on a 241 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: big pedestal now like fifty high, and it varies every year, 242 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: but he's generally with the pedestal about a hundred feet high, 243 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: so you can see him from from anywhere in the camp. Uh. 244 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: And I think this year, because the cargo cold, they're 245 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: building him on top of like this flying saucer. Oh 246 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: really structure, that's what the pavilion is meant to look like. Cool. Yeah, 247 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: it's in the hopes that aliens. Oh yeah, well it 248 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: looks a lot like a crop circle. It looks very 249 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: much like a crop circle um or half finished crops circle, 250 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: lazy crops circle. The organ is saying on the Burning 251 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: Man website that they hope that they're sure that this 252 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: pavilion will attract lots of aliens, and they hope that 253 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: it will stimulate our planets faltering economy, which I've read 254 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of times and I said, like, surely this 255 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: is a joke and it maybe it was lost. I mean, no, 256 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: the economy things. They're hoping that our planets economy will 257 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: be stimulated by Burning Man attracting aliens if you take 258 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: take the whole alien part out, the fact that Burning 259 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: Man is considered with our planets economy being stimulated. There's 260 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: this really interesting interview um on a website called Public Books. 261 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: It's an interview with T. J. Jackson Lear's uh, and 262 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: it's called The Confidence Economy. I recommend everybody go read 263 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: it because he's talking about how everything has transitioned to 264 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: economics now, like as he puts it, like it went 265 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: from like all of our moral ideals went from the 266 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: religious to the cultural and now to the economic. And 267 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: so the idea of risk, this existential idea that like 268 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: we're in danger. There's danger out there and by doing 269 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: certain things or avoiding certain things where we're um, we're 270 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: going into an avoiding risk has now been melted down 271 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: to a number on a banker's computer. Like that's what 272 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: risk is to us. Now everything is economics. And like 273 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: seeing that on their website like really kind of brought 274 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: that home. That's that was my little thing on that. 275 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Have you do you watch a veep? No, it's the 276 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: White House Show, um comedy And one of the guys, 277 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: the new characters this year is uh Gary what's his 278 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: face from office face? Yeah, um, Gary Cole, And he's 279 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: the numbers guy and it's just sort of straight along 280 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: those lines. All he does is talk numbers and that's 281 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: that's his whole entire job and the staff's entire job. 282 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: That's how we've become as a culture. Everything is economic space. 283 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: Now that's kind of sad. It is. Um So back 284 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: to black Rock City where where numbers don't count, Um 285 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: it is, and it is uh it is, like you said, 286 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: like a city. They have their eye store, obviously, have 287 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: recycling and volunteering and medical facilities and information facilities and shuttles. 288 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: Although one of the rules is you cannot drive on 289 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: the playa. That's what they call it. Um, that's why 290 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of bikes. Biking seems to be the 291 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: best way to get around. Apparently you can get a 292 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: permit from the city, the nearby city that that Plia 293 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: falls under, I guess at the same county. So you 294 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: can't because there's art cars out there. But well you're 295 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: not allowed to drive where the people are though. Um, 296 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's like motor homes that is what most 297 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: people stay in. But like once you get there, you 298 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: like take the keys out and burn them. Um, and 299 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: then at the end of the week you're like, man, 300 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: I just burn my keys. That was self expression, true, 301 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: But um, there are no fires directly on the ground 302 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: because that leaves a burn scar on the gentle high desert. Um, 303 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: so they have to I guess have like fire pits 304 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: and stuff. And I guess we could get into the 305 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: core principles right. Well, yeah, we've been kind of dancing 306 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: around him a little bit. You said leave no trace. 307 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: That's a big one. Um. Radical self expression yeah, radical inclusion, yeah, 308 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: radical self reliance and radical self expression. Those are the 309 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: three radicals, right where so you can't just be like Um, like, 310 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: hey man, I forgot to bring some water. Radical self 311 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: inclusion or radical inclusion and they can be like radical 312 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: self reliance jerk. Yeah, although gifting, it's a big one. 313 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Is a big one. Um. There, it is very much 314 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: about giving things without it says gift thing does not 315 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: contemplate a return or an exchange for something of equal value. 316 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: So it's not about trading even it's about giving. Right, 317 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: I will give you her pies. You don't have to 318 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: give me anything back. You mentioned the commodification. No, uh, 319 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: commercial sponsorships or anything like that. Yeah, Like that's why 320 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be a music festival. It's too commercialized. Exactly, 321 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: communal effort. It's all about collaborating. Hey man, I'm out 322 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: of amount of nails for my big giant alien I'm 323 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: building out of wood. Don't worry, man, I got nails. 324 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: I got your back. Right, we'll just disassembled my giant 325 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: alien out of wood and use the nails. From the 326 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: civic responsibility, Um, we value the civil society. Community members 327 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: who organize events assume responsibility for public welfare. Um that's 328 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: a little tricky. I wonder what the law says about that. Well, 329 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, like, like, what if someone got 330 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: really hurt in someone's steam camp. I don't know, you know, 331 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know. It says that the events have 332 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: to be in accordance with the local laws, but they 333 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: clearly break those a lot. You know, Yeah, there's a 334 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: lot of laws broken at a burning Man, but they 335 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: don't have their own laws, so technically there's no laws broken. 336 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: And then the last two are participation and UM immediacy 337 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: and the immediate experience is in many ways the most 338 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: important touchdown of the culture is what they say. I 339 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: like that participations in there. You can't just be like 340 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: just some dude hanging out in the background, like staring 341 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: at everybody that they want you to get involved, not 342 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: only for your benefit, because you know, no one wants 343 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: to be stared at while they're nude and on acid. 344 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: It's a bump trip. Well, while we're on that, we 345 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: should say that burning man is in certain areas are 346 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: in X rated UM and they try to put up 347 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: signage to indicate because there are families that go. I 348 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of families that go, but 349 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: there are, and they try to indicate like, hey, this 350 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: as a group sex camp. There's a newdist camp. Um, 351 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: can't you read the sign? Yeah? Um, but keep your 352 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: kids away. You might want to, though, is the recommendation, Like, 353 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: if you're not super open minded, or if you are 354 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: easily offended, or if you don't want to permanently damage 355 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: your kids, or if you want to be a good parent, Yeah, 356 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: then don't take your family, or you may not want 357 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: to go at all. Like you really need to know 358 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: what you're getting into here, folks, Yeah, because you're going 359 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: to be thrust right into the center of a like 360 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: fifty thousand people who all came to like party, big 361 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: part of it. Like you can call it a social experiment, 362 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: you can call it like, um, you know, performance art, 363 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: and it is all those things, but it's also people 364 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: partying all the time for like a week. Um, there's 365 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: a lot of drugs and alcohol involved, yeah, and you 366 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: know everything else. So if you're you know, not cool 367 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: with that, then I would imagine Bernie Man would be 368 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: a really bad place for you to go spend a week. Yeah. 369 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: But if if you don't know that, and if you 370 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: bought a ticket and made your way out there and 371 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: you don't know that at that point, then you almost 372 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: say you should go, Well, just I want to see that, dude. 373 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: I think Julia Layton writes that, like, you don't have 374 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: to go for a week, Like, if you're thinking about it, 375 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: go test it out for a few days. Yeah, that 376 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: that's what I would do. There's no way I would 377 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: go for a week. And I don't think they sell 378 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: any ticket other than for a week. So if you 379 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: decide that you're gonna have like what, I really like this, 380 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: I really like partying every single day, Like I'll stay 381 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: the whole week. You can stay because you got your ticket. Um. 382 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: And on the sex note, uh, there have been reports 383 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: of sexual assaults and even a rape. Um. It is 384 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: clearly not the Uh it's opposite of everything that Burning 385 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: Man stands for. But there are always bad apples, and 386 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: I think the general consensus is some dumb dudes show 387 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: up thinking like, hey, it's just sex fest because everyone's 388 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: free love, free love of you need to go to 389 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: Sandals for that exactly. It's not really the case, like 390 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: that stuff does happen, but it's just like it would 391 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: happen in the real world. I mean, maybe people are 392 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: a little more like loose with their morals, but there 393 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: you know, been reports of like a woman like dancing 394 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: nude and then guys like kind of descending on her, 395 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: Like that's not okay, right, Just because it's Burning Man 396 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: doesn't mean she's inviting you to touch her, you know 397 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: what I'm saying exactly, And that raises a really excellent point. Like, um, 398 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: Larry Harvey like from the beginnings has said like this 399 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: is this is a social experiment, And I wonder what 400 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: he was thinking it was going to be, because surely 401 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: he's found that any utopia you create will eventually become 402 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: poisoned by humans who go and take part in it. 403 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: And I think it got I mean it grew way way, 404 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: way bigger than they ever thought it would, which generally 405 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: when the problems come, they've still capt it. Ah, there's 406 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: still people who like can't go, so like they're not 407 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: capping in it, like or one thousand, they chose fifty. Um, 408 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: So you know, I wonder like what they expected or 409 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: what they're seeing, the people who are like really a 410 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: part of the Burning Man org what they're seeing that 411 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: um that surprised them, or that they were like I 412 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: knew this would happen. Yeah, I imagine ticket sales, I mean, 413 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: if it's six hundred bucks a ticket. I know there's 414 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: lower ones, but that's like thirty million bucks supposedly not 415 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: for profit. Yeah, and I know they recently lumber. Lumber 416 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: is extremely expensive. I know they transferred the holding to 417 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: a different company recently. And there was like a a 418 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: big battle between the original founders because money got involved, 419 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: and I think the the original guy got kind of 420 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: upset because people wanted to get paid that were on 421 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: the board more money. Larry Harvey. Yeah, because there was 422 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: another guy named Jerry James who has attributed as one 423 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: of the founders with Larry Harvey. And what was he 424 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: upset about? The financial I hadn't heard anything about that. Yeah, 425 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: I think they. I should look this up more. They 426 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: transferred it to a new company, um ah, burning Man 427 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: Production LLC or something like a new nonprofit. I'm not 428 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: sure how it all shook out, but I think some 429 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: people cashed out that we're on the original board is 430 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: how it went down. Hope, I didn't get that wrong. 431 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: So let's say you want to go you're down with 432 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: all this. You're like, sure, I'll get my sun screen 433 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: out and put it in all the right places and 434 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: take my clothes off, shave my head, paint myself green. 435 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: Apparently that's futile because everybody gets covered in dust and 436 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: turns gray. Really yeah, gross, isn't that weird? So the 437 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: sunscreen just gets covered and I guess, and everybody turns 438 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: into like this new race of people that have gray scan. 439 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable. Um, but let's say 440 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: you do want to go. Uh, you've bought your ticket, 441 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: Bring your sunscreen, bring your water. Lots of water. Yeah, 442 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: you want to bring a gallon of water per day 443 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: per person, at least just for drinking, plus another half 444 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: gallon for like bathing and washing your clothes. If you're 445 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: into that kind of thing. Um me, you need to 446 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: bring more than that. Yeah, that's wheat out that gallon 447 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: of water by noon. Yeah, And I mean, like that's 448 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: serious stuff because they don't give you water at burning man, 449 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: Like you might find some nice soul to do it, 450 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: but like there, you should not come expecting them to 451 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: give you water. That's right. Uh, it gets cold at 452 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: night in the desert. If you've never been there, it's 453 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: kind of interesting. It could be like a forty degree 454 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: temperature swing. Then the course of a day to a night, 455 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: so you gotta bring your warm clothes as well. You 456 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: might not have someone to snuggle up to it. Burning Man, 457 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, I can't count on that. Um. And you 458 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: can't just make a fire just anywhere either. You can't 459 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: make a fire just anywhere. And you need to bring 460 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: your own lights to um. They're obviously your lights everywhere, 461 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: but you want your little flashlight in your head lamp 462 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: and all like good stuff. Yeah, because it gets dark, 463 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: gets really dark. And apparently people put our installations wherever 464 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: they want. Yeah, and you may trip over them because 465 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: a lot of those into Latians have rebar most of 466 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: them do it there. Uh. And then um, you need 467 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: to be able to be highly adaptable because, like you said, 468 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: you might have a plan in place, but burning Man, 469 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna go on, so you gotta 470 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: be able to just kind of roll with it. That's 471 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: sort of the idea. You know, if you're a rigid individual, 472 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to go to Burning Man, you're not 473 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: gonna have a very good time, or your um will 474 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: will break and you'll be like, Okay, I'm ready to 475 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: just kind of let let things fly. That's true. I 476 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: just watched that documentary on the Source Family. Have you 477 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: heard of that one? They were a oh yeah, cult 478 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: in the seventies and al I've read an article on 479 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: them four Good Times. Yeah, it's very interesting. A lot 480 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: of people they in fact, almost everyone they interviewed from 481 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: today wasn't like, yeah, this was some bad cult. They 482 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: were like they were still sort of living that life. Well, 483 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: it's like paradise lost. They all moved down to Mexico 484 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: and lived on the each and like were swimming or 485 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was Mexico. Now they were in l A. 486 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: And they eventually went to Hawaii and that was kind 487 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: of the end of them. And then so the leader 488 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: had like a bad trip on the beach and then 489 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: everything turned dark from that point on, right, And I 490 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: think you're thinking something else, No, the Process Church. No, okay, 491 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Process Now. This is the Source Family. 492 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: I've heard of them. I don't know anything about them. Yeah, 493 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: it's a new documentary. It's interesting. Okay, what's it called 494 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: the Source Family? Okay, well, I'll watch that. You read 495 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: the article in the forty Times about the Process. Was 496 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: that the seventies too, It was like late sixties, early seventies. Man, 497 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: those there were cults all over the place. All you 498 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: had to be was like a halfway likable person with 499 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: a steady supply of acid and like pretty much that's 500 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: your own call. This guy was he was like six 501 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: six and had this big gray beer and they're like 502 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: you were the father, right, and he's like, I know. Yeah. Well, 503 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: in their tenants, the first thing they had to do 504 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: every morning was inhale six seconds from the the sacred Herb. 505 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: So basically just get everyone stoned very first thing in 506 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: the morning, wake and bake is what they call that. Yeah, 507 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: but they're also a band. It's really interesting, this weird 508 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: psychedelic music and stuff still around at the time. Well 509 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: that the some of the surviving members have gotten back 510 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: together now and are playing again. Maybe that's what I've 511 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: heard of, is the band the source. I didn't realize 512 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: they were a cult too. Yeah, they were cult first 513 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: and foremost. It's like the Polyphonic Spree. It's exactly like 514 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: who they ended up, sort of emulating White Robes and 515 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: the whole deal. All right, that's a sidebar, but in 516 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: the spirit of burning Man. You know, my buddy Toby, 517 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: he was in the Spree. Yeah, he's like a tambourine player. No, 518 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: he taught himself to play the thereman. Oh really. Yeah. 519 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: He is the producer of a movie that's coming out 520 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: in July or August with Rooney Mara and Casey Athlete 521 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: called Embodied Saints. Yeah, I've heard of that. It's he's 522 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: a producer of good for him. And yeah, he's been 523 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: making his way through Hollywood, just like on like Sheer Grit. Yeah, 524 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: and he if you're interested in Bonnie Prince billy fan, 525 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: he did a producer a short film called Pioneer starring 526 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: Bonnie principally that was really really good. Yeah, him and 527 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: his collaborator David Lowry, two of them collaborat and make 528 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: some good stuff. Way to go, guy, Not David Lowry 529 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: from Cracker and Cambra Vanbethowin. No, no different guy. Yes, 530 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: all right, okay, Well, if you want to learn more 531 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: about Burning Man, go to Burning Man. You can also 532 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: visit the Burning Man site, or you can check out 533 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: our article on how Stuff works dot com. Just type 534 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: burning Man in the search bar. Uh. And since I 535 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: said search bar, it's time again for a message bar. 536 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: And now it's time for listener mail. Did we even 537 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: say that they burned the man at the end. That's 538 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: the whole point. They burned the man on the last night. 539 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, so let's keep it going for a second. 540 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: By the way, they burned the man on the last 541 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: night the end, which is neat And I was thinking 542 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: about this, like they have the man, so anywhere in 543 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: camp you can see this giant man, and that I 544 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: think has to really kind of add something like this 545 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: week is gonna end. This man is going to die. Yeah, 546 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: he We're going to burn him, and then after that 547 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: this week is over and then we're all going to 548 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: die eventually. Like just affect that the man and what 549 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: everybody knows is going to happen to the man is 550 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: looming over everybody the whole week. Like what effect does 551 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: that have on you? Dude? You should go to Burning 552 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: Man start a theme camp. Yeah, you know, like let's 553 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: just talk about what we're gonna do to that poor man. Okay, 554 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: I'd go. So that's the official end of the Burning 555 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: Man episode. Now that's right. Now it's time for listener mail. 556 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: That's right. I'm gonna call this, uh sort of a 557 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: correction on the correction. Remember when we got the email 558 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: about the American Red Cross denying uh men who have 559 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: sex with men MSM to be able to get blood. 560 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: This sort of explains that old more thoroughly guys have 561 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: been catching up on stuff you should know. And after 562 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: hearing the April ninth Platypus episode at to race Holmes 563 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: to respond. Uh. Penelope was correct when she wrote that 564 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: the American Red Cross permanently differs or turns away MSM donors. Um. 565 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: It was incorrect over to describe this as a Red 566 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: Cross policy and origin policy was determined by the U. S. 567 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Food and Drug Administration, not the Red Cross. The Red 568 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: Cross is called the FDA ban medically and scientifically unwarranted 569 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: even and seeks policy change because the FDA ban needlessly 570 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: excludes healthy donors. I think we came down the Red 571 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: Cross a little bit, so it really the FDA were 572 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: mad at exactly. Uh. Please let your listeners know that's 573 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: not the American Red Cross which is discriminating, but U S. 574 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: F d A. The Red Cross is obligated by law 575 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: to it here to the ban until the FDA can 576 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: be convinced to change it. I have met some people who, 577 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: though they are eligible to give blood, refused to donate 578 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: because they object to the FDA ban the well intentioned, 579 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: This refuse will only hurt people who need life saving blood. 580 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: There are always better ways to pressure the FDA to 581 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: change its policy. Um, big government, Am I right? Yeah? 582 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: In the meantime, I hope everyone who's able to donate blood, 583 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: platelets and other blood products will continue to do so. Cheers, Cat, nice, 584 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Cat. Yeah, I feel bad that we've 585 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: got that wrong, or that we were misled by Penelope. 586 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: Maybe Penelope didn't know herself. Now everybody knows it's the 587 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: FDA's fault. That's right, So FDA change it. What's your problem? 588 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: And then if someone from the FDA is getting right, 589 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: so you know, you know it really is Glyndon Johnson's fall. Uh. 590 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: If you want to lay something at the feet of 591 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: somebody else, we want to know about that, especially if 592 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: it clears something up that we got wrong. 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