1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Coming from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus in Barrie, Ohio. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Pace is Cleveland Brown's Daily ESPN Cleveland. Here are your 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: hosts Bo Bishop and Nathan Zigoro, and welcome into this 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily, Merely Bow and the 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: Great GiB A here as we continue with our best 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: of week here on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Today show 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: kind of a pot pourri for you. We hit on 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: several things. We hit on a legend conversation with the 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: Quell Jackson, get into some sports media conversations with Andrew 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: marshawn and I think that is something you know, we 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: saw this last week with the Big ten PAC twelve 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: moves with USC and U C l A, and you're 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: starting to see what is happening in sports media now 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: more than ever. It's very direct, and the NFL is 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: gonna want to play big big in this going forward. 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: And that is very simply put, how do we continue 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: to make the most out of our product financially and 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: to continue to grow our product in the eyes of 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: sports fans. And so that leads to a really interesting 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: conversation with Andrew marshawn Z goes one on one with 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: Colleen Wolfe. Of course, she hosted What I Gotta tell you, Gibby. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm sad it's gone. I'm really sad it's gone. That 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: NFL network pregame show is as good as a god 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: on Thursday nights. I wish there was a way that 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: that could have continued in some way, shape or form, 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: because next to Inside the NBA on t NT, yeah, 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: it was the best pregame show. Yeah, the only thing 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: I could think. I mean, it certainly could have. I 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: mean Amazon obviously wanted to do their own thing and 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: start from scratch, but they could have, you know, poached 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: all of those people, yeah, and done it. You're borrowing 32 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: Kirk herb Street from ESPN. Al Michael's is still doing 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: stuff with NBC. I mean, it makes all the sense 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: in the world. I don't know. Yeah, there was, there 35 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: was certainly the potential for it, and and they went 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: in another direction. I think it stinks because that show 37 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: really had everything that you wanted in it. So you'll 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: get that conversation that z had with Colleen wolf some 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: behind the scenes of what happened on that show. Um 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: and obviously the Half a very very big part of that. 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of the half, you'll hear our conversation with the 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: half doesn't isn't this one have to do with his 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: underwear tweet? I had to It was so ridiculous, Like 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: we have Joe on all the time, and it's a 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: treasure to have him on, but this was one where 46 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: it was just spontaneous. We had to put the half 47 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: under the microscope after the decisions he was making. So 48 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: you'll hear that interview that is that is certainly a 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: fun one. And then Chase Winovitch, who is really turning heads, 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: not just with his play obviously, but just the type 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: of dude he is. He is a very good dude. 52 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: And you will hear that interview with Chase Winovich as 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: well on the special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily. 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Witnessing right now, 83 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm double joined. I literally was just standing. I came 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: up here to tell this, that's just arresting. He was standing, arresting. 85 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: He was just I've never seen that before ever in 86 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: my life. Maybe a baby, maybe from a baby. I 87 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: turned around and that's what I saw, and I was like, 88 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: what the what the hell is going on? Oh my goodness, 89 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: that that is actually impressive? And discussing the sound. Was 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: that like a parlor trick for you in college? Did 91 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: you like make money? Would take that around to the 92 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: mode like I bet you, I bet you a hundred bucks. 93 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: I can get my toe to my heel. I need agrees. 94 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: You would probably snap my knees if I tried something 95 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: like that. We would can't even get close. I'm not 96 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: even attempt to try. Yeah, but you can't even attempt it. Man, 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Your fun out here today? Yeah? It was. It was 98 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: very good to be back on the field, to smell 99 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: the field, to put my feet to the field and 100 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: just just take it all in. I think it was. 101 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really get that opportunity obviously when 102 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: I was playing here, but just walking up here, you know, 103 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: it's part of I was here for eight years. In 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: a certain parts of the stadium, I had no idea 105 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: I've never stepped foot on. So uh, it's been great. 106 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: It's always great to come back and I planned on 107 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: making more more business back, especially with my three year 108 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: old side. That is awesome to bring it back. And 109 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: I know you were here. It was a couple of 110 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, yeah, I was back here. Um for 111 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: I was inducted as a Brown's Legend last year, last 112 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: year in September, and yeah, yeah, so it was a 113 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: chance for my son to kind of um match up 114 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: all the helmets and footballs and stuff I have at 115 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: the house and I was like, oh Dad, you you 116 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: played here and you had my jersey. It was it 117 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: was a very special moment for me. That is very 118 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: special and I'm sure for you to come back at 119 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: this special what it's the thing that you kind of 120 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: missed the most about Cleveland, you know what. I flew 121 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: in last night and I still keep in touch with 122 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the area. I'm a big foodie, 123 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: so you know, just just being back and just reliving 124 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: some of those moments, just to being out and and 125 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: you know what, what was special with my time here. 126 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: I know we didn't win a ton of games here, 127 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: but the people that I met I still keep in 128 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: contact with and most to answer your question directly, it's 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: the people. The people, the community. Uh is nothing like it. 130 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: You know. I spent time in Indianapolis. Indianapolis was great, 131 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: but this is this is my home. This is a 132 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: home away from home for me. All Right. You said 133 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: you're a foodie, So what is like? What's when you 134 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: come back here? What's the one place you've got to 135 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: get to? So Fahrenheit is one. Uh his name is Zagoskas. 136 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: He just opened up a new place down the the 137 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: what is it not the water flam like the sushi 138 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: on the water. Yeah, so I got yeah, I'll check 139 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: that out. Yeah. And the flats. I couldn't think. Yeah, 140 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: the flat So it's good. I'll check that out tonight. 141 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: And UH like it. It's just Dante's um, but definitely 142 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: Roco was probably one of my favorite. I mean when 143 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: when I first visited his restaurant years ago, obviously pre pandemic, 144 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: his bar snack was bacon. I'm gonna come I'm gonna 145 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: come back. Hey, man, is it does it? Um? Three 146 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: years old? So I got three boys ten eight six, 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: three is when they start to become pretty aware about 148 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: what's going on, Like can you see that in your son? Like, oh, 149 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: dad was a dude? Like does that is that starting yet? Yeah? 150 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: Now I'm starting to have conversations with him. And now 151 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: he'll he'll come in the room, like you know, during 152 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: football season, he'll it started with daddy, is there all 153 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: white team? Is there all yellow team? Is there a 154 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: purple team? So I started showing them, you know, uh 155 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: teams with matching up the colors you want to see it, 156 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: and it just kind of progressed. As you said. Now 157 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, Daddy, you played here, right, He'll see 158 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: my my uh Cleveland memorabilia, and so it's fun. So 159 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: that's why I definitely have to have him back, let 160 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: him run on the field, because that's a moment. Man. 161 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: If I had a chance when I was young and 162 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: I love football, that hard football fan to run on 163 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: the NFL field, that's a moment you'll never you'll always 164 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: take with you. They're like the amount of the pace 165 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: that they hit it with when you let him go, Yes, 166 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: it's the fastest they've ever had in their Yes. Oh man, 167 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: when I was here last year. I was trying to 168 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: get him on the field, but he was at that age. 169 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: I was like, Nah, he may run on the field. 170 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: This could be bad. Let's put him in the press box, 171 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: away from any danger. But it'll be fun to have 172 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: him come back here and enjoy everything. Three year old. 173 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: You can reason with a two and a half year 174 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: old two and all chance And he's my first one, 175 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: the first one. We're working on baby too. But it's 176 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: been a blessing having him around it. And now I 177 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: get the chance to talk to him about, Hey, daddy 178 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: could play football a little bit. Yeah, there's no doubt 179 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: you can play football a little bit. When you talked 180 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: about going from here to India, I don't know if 181 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: you got a chance talk to Anthony Walker Jr. At 182 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: All today linebacker and he went from Indie to here, 183 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: so kind of you know, the opposite but similar play, 184 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: similar position, everything. I think we were very similar in 185 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: the way of his leadership, professionalism. Um. You know, I 186 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: did a podcast last year for the Colts and I 187 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: mean a lot of people talked about, you know, they 188 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: were up in arms about him leaving because he was 189 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: such an impactful leader, such a great locker room guy 190 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: and he was an asset on the field. So I 191 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: look at this current situation with Jeremiah. Jeremiah was one 192 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: of my favorite linebackers coming out of the draft, and 193 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: because I saw myself, I was like, if I was athletic, 194 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: if I was stronger, if I was all these different things, 195 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: I would imagine myself looking like him. And so if 196 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: he can get it, in my opinion, if he can 197 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: get a chance to settle in and they carve out 198 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: a special role for him, with the tulage of and 199 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: the experience from Anthony Walker, I think they can be 200 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: a really special group with uh with the experience. When 201 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: you think when you you you mentioned Jay Okay, and 202 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: he feels like he's ready to explode, and there were 203 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: certainly moments last year, but it feels like he's poised 204 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: for an explosion. You know. We we start looking at 205 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: the back seven and this defense with the linebackers of 206 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: the secondary, it's an impressive group. It's big, it's athletic, 207 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: it's rangey. It feels like it has everything you need 208 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: in modern football. It's it's how much of of of 209 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: the defense did you notice lash year? And then just 210 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: getting a look at it today, just kind of the 211 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: makeup of it. What do you make of this this 212 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: back setting. Yeah, I think the back I mean, listen 213 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: to denzit awards on a massive contract this year. I 214 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: think he's gonna, you know, come out and have another 215 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: stellar year because he wants to prove that he's worthy 216 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: of those dollars. And you know, with the addition of 217 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: who we didn't draft any defensive backs, but I think 218 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: the addition of um Jadeviion Clowney bringing him back, it's 219 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: going to strengthen that back the backs, you know, the 220 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: back end of the defense, and uh, some of the 221 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: young guys from I believe it was Oklahoma's the Oklahoma 222 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: greg from Northwest. Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm looking to see 223 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: how what type of impact he has in training camp 224 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: and how he can you know, help Miles Garrett and 225 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: Jademion Clowney. And it all starts up front. You know, 226 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm buying. Maybe I'm biased, but I know how important 227 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: the front seven is. That helps the linebackers. It helps 228 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: the timing of the defensive backs, It helps h gives 229 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: confidence for the defensive backs to jump routes, to have 230 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: confidence to do so because they know that quarterback on 231 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: opposing side has a small window to get the releases 232 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: ball or to David Young clown and one of those 233 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: guys up front, will you know, make their life a living? 234 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: You know, you know what, But I like this group. 235 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: I really like this group, and listen to the elephant 236 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: in the room is what what's gonna happen on the 237 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: other side of the ball. You have the quarterback position, 238 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's the direct correlation of how well 239 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: this defense could be. You don't want this defense getting tired. 240 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: They have on paper they look like they can compete. 241 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: They will compete. But on the other side of the ball, 242 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: you have to be able to sustain drives. You have 243 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: to be able to win the time of possession. And 244 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: it's only gonna help a really good defense that's poison 245 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: and has the guys to do it. Now, you're right, 246 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: and I think that's something that everybody hopes. We're getting 247 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: an answer too, sooner rather than later. And it seems 248 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: to be the feeling that will know exactly, you know, 249 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: how much the Browns will have the Shaun Watson for 250 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: this season. To your point, Jacoby has done a good 251 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: job out here as well, played in India as you know, 252 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: thirty one touchdowns, third team picks in his time there. 253 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, you want to be elite on both sides. 254 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: The Browns have a chance to do that. Is it 255 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: wild to you watching the evil lution of the NFL 256 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: and seeing that, like, you know, just how jail case 257 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: to twenty? Right? The linebackers are too twenty safeties look 258 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: like corners now and and you know, like a big 259 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: linebacker from back in the day, like you'd be at 260 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: like a stand up end or a sam you know 261 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, Or you'd be in a three four 262 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: rush outside linebacker. Is it crazy to see the evolution 263 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: of the game where you have so many guys that 264 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: are built the same and it's kind of position lists 265 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: in the sense that everybody can run with everybody. You're 266 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: exactly right. So the knock on me coming out of 267 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: college was I was under size. Can my body sustain 268 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: the brutality of the game? And I was fortunate enough 269 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: to play a levin seas and I had some setbacks. 270 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: But in the middle part of my career you started 271 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: to see a shift in the way offenses were, you know, 272 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: playing offense, and it became this game of cover. Can 273 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: linebackers cover, can your d line get after the passer? 274 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: And you're right, it's it's become a position list um sport. 275 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: But you know, I was talking to Harris's defensive back 276 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: and he stood up. We were sitting down. He stood up, like, 277 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: damn you bigger than me. You could be a linebacker. 278 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, they keep me in the box. 279 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: And it's just funny to see how the evolution of 280 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: the game is happening. You have to be able to 281 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: face these you know, these teams that that spread the 282 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: fill out and obviously the game is about mismatches and 283 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: and if you can have a guy like Jeremiah, let's say, 284 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: a guy that can cover, a guy that can play 285 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: in the box, and he's strong enough and he's capable enough, 286 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: and he's willing to play and deal with three pound linebackers, 287 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: that's that's very special and it's very rare to find 288 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: that combination of of all of that. So, uh, it's 289 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, who knows where the game is going to 290 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: grow from here? Will it go back to? You know, 291 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,479 Speaker 1: when I walk into the league, it was the formations 292 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: were very simple. It was two receivers, one tight end, 293 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: two backs and they can only run a handful of plays, 294 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: and uh, just to see the game evolved, I think, Um, 295 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: you know I was when I when it was time 296 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: for me to leave, I knew. I was like, my 297 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: time is running out because I'm not the fastest guy 298 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: and you have me outcovering slot receivers. Nah. Good, I'm 299 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: good to go. So when you came in and you 300 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: talked about kind of it was the pro st and 301 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: that's what they would always say. They run a pro style. 302 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: The process, you know, the two two receivers, one tight 303 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: and the two running backs they fullback. Was typically a 304 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: part of that. Um, when you think about the evelation 305 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: goutside when Anthony Walker we're playing that interview later today, 306 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: how much because you mentioned they could only run certain 307 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: they only had certain concepts that they could run, certain 308 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: plays that they could run out of that you know, 309 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: and and maybe and you could tell me, but back then, 310 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: if they called a cover three, like you knew what 311 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: the cover three was, whereas now I was side with 312 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: a walk, you could have thirty different checks on a 313 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: quote unquote cover three call based on the formation, based 314 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: on the pre snap motion, if they moved into a bunch, 315 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: if they go one side of the formation and the other. 316 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: How many things linebackers dbs actually have to think about 317 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: in a very quick period of time to play sound 318 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: defense in today's NFL is very complicated, very complicated. You 319 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: know you talk about the Cover three, Well, we had 320 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: a call years ago if we call cover three, we 321 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: we called it Okay high school Cover three. And then 322 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: now it's variations of Cover three. And you know who 323 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: sparked this with it's a copycat league. Let's say that, right, 324 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: and um, Seattle, Seattle majored in this Cover three concept, 325 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: but it was it was it was an abbreviated Cover 326 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: three that turned into man that was zoned to man concept. 327 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: And there was so many different levels and then as 328 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know the checks and formations, and I 329 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: love that part of the game. When I was here 330 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: with Ray Horton, I thought Ray Horton was one of 331 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: the brightest defensive minds I'd ever played with because he 332 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: gave me the freedom and the keys to meet with guys, 333 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: um you know, outside of the building, whether there in 334 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: the building, they set out times for us to meet 335 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: because I wanted to be able to check in audible 336 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: if you will, like offenses, I know, we didn't have 337 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: much time. We were up against the shot clock, and 338 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: we were we probably at that year, I believe we 339 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: were top ten defense. Why because we had guys invested 340 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: in the into the scheme and invested into putting that 341 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: extra time in so we could run variations of cover 342 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: three and cover two and cover one and zone the man, 343 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: the different oppressions. And that to me was the game 344 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: within the game that I and that I do miss. 345 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: You had mentioned earlier, um about how you liked Jacobe. 346 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: You guys did you guys missed each other? And then yeah, 347 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: we just missed, just missed each other. Very realistically. He's 348 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: gonna obviously start some games for us this year. What 349 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: what do you when you say you like about him? 350 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: What what should fans who have just maybe are quitely 351 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: aware of everything that he can be uh and and 352 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: the type of the type of player he can be 353 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: for his team? Yea one for one for a guy 354 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: to walk into a situation, learn a scheme in one 355 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: year and be productive. You look at his time in Indy. 356 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: It was up and down, but the guy wasn't given 357 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: much rope to do much, you know, sure much room 358 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: too for error. And I saw a guy that was 359 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: a professional. He competed, guys wanted to play for him. 360 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: He can make all the throws, and he's a guy 361 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: that's been able to He's been a guy that you 362 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: can plug in anywhere and he's gonna, he's gonna. He's 363 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: he's your best option out here in terms of UH, 364 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: he's not a top him quarterback, but he's a guy 365 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: if your your starter goes down, he's a guy that 366 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: he can bridge the gap between. Um, you know, he's 367 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: gonna win you some games. He's gonna win you some games. 368 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: And I love what I I think it's a great 369 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: pickup by Andrew Barry to find this guy and to 370 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: have a great problem in the quarterback room. Of all 371 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: guys can play. All these guys can play, aside from Dotson, 372 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: who you know, he hasn't had much experience, but I 373 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: think he's gonna do well. I think guys are gonna 374 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: appreciate his level of competitiveness and he can make every 375 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: throw and he's gonna make guys better. And he's he's 376 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: a guy that just being around him, he's got a 377 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: good presence about him. He can tell that the guys 378 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: like him and respect him and I'll say this last. 379 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: It won't be his fault they're losing. He's not going 380 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: to be that guy. He understood. I would say this, 381 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: he understands his ability. He plays within himself and he's 382 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: not going to be someone that he's not. And what 383 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: you see to consistent. He's gonna play consistent to his ability. 384 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: And that's what you have to appreciate about his game. 385 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: And I can tell you that they went to the 386 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: CALVS facility last week at a three point shooting contest 387 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: and he annihilated everybody. He's got a pure jumper and 388 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: he's got he's earned some respect. Interview him about it. 389 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: Guys were giving him a bunch of crap about it, 390 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: and they're just jealous. But those quarterbacks shoot and they 391 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: can play golf. I'm jealous. I'm very jealous. Get you 392 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: out of here on this one one of our favorite 393 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: people that we have on the show regularly and football season, 394 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: every single week. We call him the half Joe Thomas 395 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: because obviously matter of time, do you have a Joe 396 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: Thomas story you can share for us from your time 397 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: playing with off So he uh, I'm glad you said that. 398 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: So Joe used to throw like really great parties, really 399 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: great parties. One year he had a Halloween costume party 400 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: and my wife and I we were in the breaking 401 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: bad at the time, so we dressed up in these 402 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: hazmat suits. The worst decision ever going to a party. 403 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: It was hot as hell. But he had this karaoke machine. 404 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: And when I tell you, I've never seen this side 405 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: of Joe, it was impressive. I didn't know the guy 406 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: could sing it move like that and it was a 407 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: great night. Great You got to ask him about it 408 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: next time. Well, it's a character and imagined there was 409 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: good food at his part of it. I have I 410 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: have a d Q fifty two story he I when 411 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: I worked at kN R full time, I was the 412 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: I was the program director at the time, and he 413 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: would come on the really big show every week. Yeah, 414 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: and the one week he came on, we were in 415 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: the middle of an ice storm and he it might 416 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: have the car might have gotten away from him a 417 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: little bit, maybe the tires, whatever the case might be. Yeah, 418 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: I think he took out a couple of mail boxes 419 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. It was going down the hill and 420 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: it was all live on the air. It was live 421 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: so so here here's my happy and like you're here, like, yeah, okay, 422 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: much not much damage was made. But I had some 423 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: really great neighbors, let's say that. So you know, I 424 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: you know, I played at Maryly and and you know, 425 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: we dealt with a little bit, a little bit of snow, 426 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: but I didn't know what truly a blizzard looked like. 427 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: And I had this small little BMW, you know, car, 428 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't not. I was spending out of control. 429 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: I was on my way into the station. I'm like, 430 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: I can't make it. So I turned around and it's 431 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: getting up to the it's getting closer to that time. 432 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: I have to be on air. So I call in 433 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: and I'm live and I'm I could see my house. 434 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm a block away. I make the left hand turn 435 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: a fish tail. I lose control. I hit a thank goodness, 436 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: a conquerte or a brick mailbox, and I was I 437 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: think they were asking me a question. I just I 438 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: just froze and like, guys, I just hit a mailbox, 439 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: Like what what what happened? I'm like, I lost control. 440 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: And now the discussion we started talking about me losing 441 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: control and all the stuff. It was, it was, it 442 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: was fun. Well, it wasn't fun when it happened, but 443 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna talk about it now. Yeah, that was one 444 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: of mine. Yeah, it's been great having for having me. 445 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: Coming up next to the special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily, 446 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: our conversation with Andrew Marshawn's sports media columnists of the 447 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: New York Post. You're gonna get smarter, kids. You listen 448 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: to Cleveland Browns Daily on a fifty esp in Cleveland. 449 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily on ESPN Cleveland. If a car, trucker, 450 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: motorcycle accident cause you injury, called the injury Lawyers at 451 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: one hundred elk, Ohio for a free case review. Elk 452 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: and Elk is a proud partner of the Cleveland Browns. 453 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: For what's going on in NFL media, there's only one 454 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: man to talk to. That's Andrew marsh And of the 455 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: New York Post. He joined us. Here's that conversation. I 456 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: don't know if we've ever seen anything like it in 457 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: television sports. What happened this year in the musical chairs? Uh? 458 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: In the NFL announcing birth Andrew, thank you so much 459 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: for your time. Let's start there. What set this thing off? 460 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: This merry go round? With with these guys in the 461 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: booth and the prices that were given out and the 462 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: movement that we saw. It all started with Romo. When 463 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: he came in, he was uh, he was under a 464 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: three year contract that was for round ten million dollars. 465 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: And then and his deal came up. It was right 466 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: before the overall TV deals. Um, we're being negotiator about 467 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: to be negotiated for the long term deals between the 468 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: NFL and the networks like CBS, ESPN, Fox, NBC, etcetera. 469 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: And CBS had Romo. ESPN wanted Romo for Monday Night 470 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: and also just to help them in their bid and 471 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: placed in their eyes. Uh, And so they offered him 472 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: ten years and a hundred forty million dollars. CBS came 473 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: back offered him ten years for an overall total of 474 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: a hundred eighty million dollars. In Romo stayed at CBS. 475 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: But that kind of was in the background when that happened. 476 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: Eight Troy Aikman wanted that type of money. He was 477 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: making around ten million dollars or so give or take 478 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: um from UH from Fox, and you know then he 479 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: was a free agent, was going to go to Amazon 480 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: and split his time between Amazon and Fox and then 481 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: ESPN came in got Troy Aikman, got um oh Buck 482 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: for uh huge contracts that Um Joe Buck was five 483 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: years seventy five million and Troy Aikman's five years ninety million. Man, 484 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: it's that The Buck part of it is fascinating to 485 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: me because he has been the only face of Fox 486 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: Sports since its existence. I mean, he's it, He's the 487 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: whole thing. Um. What beyond the money? Why was Fox 488 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: not were they not willing to match that for him? Um? 489 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: And and was was it? It? Was this just a 490 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: money play for him? Or did he wanted a change 491 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: of pace? Because you think about what I think about 492 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: being the face of a network. As long as he was, 493 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: he was kind of there and he was there nance 494 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: you know, for for a long long time. Yes. So 495 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: Joe Buck had done the World Series for twenty four years. Uh, 496 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: and you know he couldn't kept going as long as 497 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: he wanted. He had one year remaining on his contract. 498 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: So what happened was after Aikman win, Uh, Yes, can 499 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: was either gonna team Aikman with Joe Baker Al Michael 500 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: Um and Uh, Fox wanted to keep Joe Buck, but 501 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: for Buck he was able to go and be with 502 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: his teammate who he likes working with in Troy Aikman, 503 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: And he got a substantial raise from around nine million 504 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: dollars to fifteen million dollars a year, and he cut 505 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: his workload in half. He's not doing baseball anymore and 506 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: he's just doing the NFL. So that's a pretty good 507 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: deal when you think about it. You get six million 508 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: dollars and your year basically ends, and they don't have 509 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl for a while, so basically ends in 510 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: the middle of January. Uh, and then you don't go 511 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: right into baseball. If he did before, he would have 512 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: probably given up baseball after this year. Um, if he 513 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: had stayed Fox Canada and offered him twelve million dollars 514 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: um a year. But uh, but he went with uh eestn. 515 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: It's kind of a second career for him. But yeah, 516 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: it's a pretty good deal when you look at it overall. Yeah, 517 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: it certainly is more more pay less work. Feels like 518 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: a win to me, you know, to people ask me. 519 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: One of the lines I've been using on the show 520 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: when we were discussing all of this, and we were 521 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: in the heat of all of this is and people say, 522 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: why are you making No one's paying this, you know, 523 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: no one's watching a game for an announcer. But I think, 524 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: what has happened here? And you correct me if I'm 525 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: wrong on this, But these guys have become essentially faces 526 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: of the network. There was a time that the face 527 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: of ESPN or most of ABC NBC, maybe it's Seinfeld 528 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: or the cast of Friends, or there was a time 529 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: when it was the network news host that they were 530 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of the faces of the network. These guys have 531 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: become that. These are the biggest shows on network television, 532 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: our sporting events, especially the NFL. And so that's why 533 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: this money is what it is, is it not? Because 534 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: when you go to meet advertisers, and we'll get to 535 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: the Brady thing in a second, you say, well, here's 536 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: what you get. Here's Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. They 537 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: are ESPN. Well, look the money is outrageous, quite honestly. 538 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: Like I told you that Romo was making, you know, 539 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: in his first contract and we went to be the 540 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: number one analysts at CBS, he was making ten million 541 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: dollars over three years. Right now he makes almost double 542 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: that in one year and he's a ten year deal 543 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: that has up the under an emillion dollars. So just 544 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: going with the overall in question and the number is crazy. 545 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: But the justification, and this has kind of always been 546 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: eaching talk, and now the executive sort of are are 547 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: powering it, is that, well, we're already paying billions of 548 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: dollars for these games, and now, uh, we're going to 549 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: uh to what the announcers should make you know, this 550 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: much money. Now, I think you can make a pretty 551 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: argument that they should make a lot of money because 552 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: the unique skill, especially the analysts of former players are 553 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: mostly Hall of famers. Uh, they just can command that 554 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: type of money because they don't have to do it. 555 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: But when you look at the value, so then you 556 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: look at the value, there's the number of the amount 557 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: of money we're talking about add up to the value 558 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: of what they do, I would say it does not. However, 559 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: I do think they're important. I do think that over time, 560 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: your enjoyment of a game when it's the top quality 561 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: broadcast does go up. And that does um the die 562 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: hearts fan is going to notice it and enjoy a 563 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: game more and kind of spread the word more that 564 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta watch this game because there's more 565 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: enjoyment overall, and then a fringe fan you can bring 566 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: them in if you have the right people calling the game. 567 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: So there is value. Um. You know, does it add 568 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: up to ratings point? You know, maybe not, but I 569 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: think over time it is important. And most importantly why 570 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: this also happened is that um, maybe it doesn't matter negotiations, 571 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: but the league, the NFL, at the top ranks um 572 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: and makes it. UM tells these networks it's important to 573 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,239 Speaker 1: them that they get big names and get it right 574 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: on their broadcast. So that's why you have esp AND 575 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: spending so much money on Bucking Aiman and the other. 576 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: Let let's say with the ESPN for a second, because 577 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: not only do they have Bucking Aikman, but they put 578 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot into the Manning cast from a promotional situation 579 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: a year ago. That's a little easier when it's Levy 580 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: and Greasy and Riddick, uh than it is when it's 581 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: Buck And and Aikman. What is that going to look 582 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: like this season? Yeah, they're the old Ravages. We have 583 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks. That means you have none. Uh. And now 584 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: he is Monday, they have three quarterbacks, right, I mean, 585 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: who are you starting? I think you have to start 586 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Peyton and it beens your backup and Eliz your third string. 587 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: Uh so uh yeah, Look, they have a lot and 588 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: it's a lot of money. They're gonna be spending around 589 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars or so uh per year on their 590 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: broadcast booths, and that is a substantial amount of money. 591 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: But I know that es CAN kind of used Peyton 592 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: Manning as their most important personality that they have relationships with. 593 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: Now you could say, well, is in Stephen A or 594 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: Scott dan Pelt or Will bon and Corn Eyes or 595 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: maybe they're more important. Yeah maybe, I mean they're on 596 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: daily and yeah, but but do that took a long 597 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: time for ESPN to get that relationship with Peyton Manning. 598 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: They had to work on it for years. Uh and 599 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: then the finally uh consummated and they really went well 600 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: for them. Uh. The Manning has kind of changed some 601 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: perception of Monday night football. Uh. Troy and Joe will 602 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: also change that perception. And probably most importantly, the deal 603 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: that they just signed going forward with the NFL is 604 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: for more games each year. Will go up to twenty 605 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: five games for ESPN uh in total in the year two, 606 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: and they will also have flexible scheduling towards the end 607 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: of the season. So uh, you know that's kind of 608 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: where the bread is buttered. And you know they'll tell 609 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: people like me, you know, behind the games, will say 610 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: that the you know eighteens contracts already paid for itself 611 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: because they were they added, uh, they raised their advertising 612 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: rates and they got the money. Uh you know that's true. 613 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't see the numbers. I can't tell you for 614 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: ser but that's what they'll tell you. So it used 615 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: to be. Um, this gets to the next because a 616 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: lot of it's about perception two and you you had 617 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: you had that line about the previous answer about you know, 618 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: this matters to the NFL that there's a top level 619 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: broadcast group here and that I think has been some 620 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: of the things that I mean, you can even see 621 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: that in the games that ESPN has gotten through the years. 622 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: And so that gets me to the hierarchy question. I'm 623 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: old enough Andrew to remember a time where Monday night 624 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: football was the game, and then that transition and it 625 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: became Sunday night football became the game. Now this is 626 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: spread out. We haven't even talked about this Amazon product 627 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: on Thursday Night with Al Michael's and Kirk Curb Street. 628 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: But now you've got Bucking achemen on Monday has NBC 629 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: and Sunday Night Football has hit fallen off what it 630 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: used to be a little. Yeah, I don't think so. 631 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 1: I think when you look at their schedule, Uh, they 632 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: got a really nice schedule for NBC. Although Mike Arko 633 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: as the play by play guy as they chose to 634 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: have him or replace Al Michael's and Sunday Night Football 635 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: as their lead announcer on the games, and then Chris 636 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: Collinsworth remains as the analyst. I think their games are 637 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: still as just as good. Um, I think, uh, and 638 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: they were remaining that way. But but yeah, I do 639 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: think ESPN it's just Mark Lamour to it, right it is. Uh, 640 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's people listening right now have opinions 641 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: on Bucking Aching, some people probably, but it does feel 642 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: big time with those guys, right You're used to them 643 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: on Fox for twenty years doing the biggest games on 644 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: Fox and doing Super Bowls, and now they're on Monday 645 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: Night and they'll make a big deal about it and 646 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: it will have a bigger feel to it. And their 647 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: schedule was pretty good, um was it? Amazing. I don't 648 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: know if it was amazing, but it was pretty good, um, 649 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: and better than maybe it has been. And that's all 650 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: very subjective. You know the season. You know, things happened 651 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: during the season making a game look good right now 652 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: and then it's not getting Week fourteen. But uh, but yeah, 653 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 1: it's the right think NBC still there. And then obviously 654 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: Amazon that's gonna be um, you know, shocked to some 655 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: people's system in terms of Thursday Night being exclusively on 656 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, so you have to have that service to 657 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: watch Thursday night football unless the Browns are playing, and 658 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: they'll also be on your local service. Sure. I want 659 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: to ask you about Tom Brady. Are we sure he's 660 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: going to be good at this? No? Not, because I 661 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: watched him on the golf Andrew and I'm like, if 662 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: he's not, it's an he's not manning on the mic. 663 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: He's definitely not manning on the mic. It's a heck 664 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: of an investment. Man. Yeah. I mean, I think if 665 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: if you you asked me, we we don't know. But 666 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: if I already guess, I say, I'm gonna go with it. 667 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: He will be good if he because I just think 668 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: first off, he'll be right off the field, so he'll 669 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: know all the defenses. Um. I think he'll be working 670 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: with a good partner in Kevin Burkhard, and I think 671 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: that he'll want to be good. I don't think he's 672 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: a guy who would like have um you know, goes 673 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: half speed on anything, and so uh, those reasons are 674 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: the ones that I think, UM, are the reasons that 675 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: he'll probably excel at it. Now, how long he'll do 676 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: it for is their chance he never even does it? Yeah, 677 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: I think those are all in play personally. Um, you know, 678 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: they kinda kept going up and up and then he 679 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: agreed to do it. But uh, I don't think that, uh, 680 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: this is necessarily a dream come true. That said, Um, 681 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: Tom Brady can make a lot of money and he's 682 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: already started a lot of business, says you know you 683 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: though he's playing. Uh, I don't know if there's another 684 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: place that it's so easy for him to make thirty 685 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: seven a half million. Garren, No, you make a very 686 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: valid point there. I'll get you out here on this one. 687 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: Really enjoyed this conversation. I want to ask you about 688 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: college football for a moment, which has become really the 689 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: second from a from a viewership standpoint, the second most 690 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: popular sport in this country. UM. From a from a 691 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: contract standpoint, we hear all about this SEC deal with 692 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: the ESPN and reportedly upwards a ninety million or something 693 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: like that per team, and that I assume we'll get 694 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: bigger as they add Texas and Oklahoma and those type 695 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: of things they continue to renegotiate. We're in Big ten country. UM, 696 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: it appears that it's gonna be a Fox primary deal. 697 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: But then who's the dance partner? What can you tell 698 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: us on that? And what's the timetable? And how big 699 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: do you think that deal will be? So I do 700 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: a podcast with John O. He said that he thinks 701 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna be for a billion dollars. So I'll go 702 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: with that number per year for the Big ten. Which 703 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: when you say that number, you they won't maybe the 704 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: uh you know, maybe the players do you deserve a 705 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: little money? Uh? So a billion dollars of you? Uh? 706 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: Fox that they're gonna remain as one partner and then 707 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: the other ones could be could see CBS in a 708 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: late window, maybe NBC in a primetime windows. I could 709 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: you have a triple header of network television for UM 710 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: for the Big Kenya and then I also think Amazon 711 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: Prime could be in play, and so you know how 712 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: that ultimately works out there still kind of figure it 713 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: out exactly, but I do think they will have a 714 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: digital component. I think Amazon has coming really strong, so 715 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: that will be part of it. But then you could 716 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: have your top teams being on and you know ABC 717 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: Span you can't um discount them yet. Uh, they could 718 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: be involved as well, but they have the SEC deal 719 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: coming up. Uh and so uh, you know, there's a 720 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: changing landscape in college football and the game is going 721 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: to change over the next ten years. You know, you 722 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: just can't imagine that. It's already were already seeing that, 723 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be even more dramatic, I think in 724 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: terms of where the N I L stuff is gonna go. 725 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: Uh and so um but yeah, so I you will 726 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: have Fox back involved, and then I do think you'll 727 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: have at least one other network partner, so NBC, CBS 728 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: or ABC and then uh and maybe even two of 729 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: those three. And then I think there'll be a digital 730 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: player with Amazon most likely coming up. Next to this 731 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: special edition of Clele Brown's Daily Z goes one on 732 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: one behind the curtain of the NFL Network with Colleen Wolf. 733 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: You listen to Cleveland Brown's Daily on eight fifty ESP 734 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, Cleveland Brown's Daily on e SP and Cleveland 735 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: Welcome back into this special edition of cle The Browns Daily. 736 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: One of the most enjoyable things, certainly for us and 737 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: all of you out there, was the pregame show on 738 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: the NFL Network on Thursday nights with the Hof and 739 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf and of course Steve Smith and everybody else 740 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: involved at the combine Z went behind the curtain of 741 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: our favorite pregame show with Alleen Wolf. Let's have a listen. 742 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: Pretty happy now to be joined by a friend of 743 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: the friend of the program, Joe Thomas. Colleen Wolf, host 744 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: of what I thought was the best show in all 745 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: of football. Not that's I'm being serious when I say 746 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: that NFL Network where you can capture. So let's talk 747 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: about that. We have talked to Bow and I on 748 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: this show many times. We thought that that was, in 749 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: our minds the equivalent of Inside the NBA with Shack 750 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: and Chuck and you know, e Jan and Kenny the Jet. 751 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: How fun was it doing that show? That show has 752 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: been the best experience of my career. It I can't 753 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: even truly describe how much fun it was working on 754 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: the road with those three personalities and to be able, 755 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: it was a traveling circus we were, and it was, 756 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: and it went on during the breaks, It went on 757 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, like you guys only saw a sliver 758 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: of the craziness that wan. I feel like I had 759 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: so many stories that I started to write them down 760 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: because I would forget yet things that happened. It was 761 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: like my new cycle in my head of just experiences 762 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: was just unbelievable. But obviously working with Michael Irvin, who 763 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: you just put the quarter in and you don't know 764 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: what's gonna come out, but he's gonna go, and he's 765 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna go in so many different directions. And see Smith 766 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: Senor you never know what's going to come out of 767 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: his mouth, but you always know where you stand with 768 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: him and and where he stands on a certain subject. 769 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: So he makes things extremely interesting. And Joe Thomas is 770 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: one of the best. We love I love him so much, 771 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: like I have had so many meals with Joe Thomas, 772 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: with that entire crew. He's a tremendous eater, by the way, tremendous, 773 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: and I just I still can't get over when I 774 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: look at the photos of him from when he played 775 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: too now, it's like two different people. And like when 776 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: I give him a hug, it's like hugging a piece 777 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: of granite, Like it's unbelievable. He's huge, Yeah, Stone, So 778 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: what's so fun about that show? And you kind of 779 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: hit on a lot of it is just how fun 780 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: it was, especially you guys got to have the crowds 781 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,479 Speaker 1: back and feel that energy. But I mean Steve Smith 782 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: would sometimes just like body bag somebody out of nowhere, 783 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: and you guys would be like, and Joe was looking around, 784 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: like what just happened? And I just kind of liked. 785 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: I just thought that was so fun to watch that 786 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: dynamic Steve smooth body bag someone out of nowhere. But 787 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: usually it would be the quarterback of the Browns. Happened. 788 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: That happened many times, uh, and we would. In fact, 789 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: I remember the one Thursday night game it was playing, 790 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: I think in the stadium because in beforehand they like 791 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: play that around all the monitors and I'm like, what 792 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: is going on? And Joe's like no, no, no, Joe's 793 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: like come on, man, come on. But I think that's 794 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: fun because you know, when you're watching that show that 795 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: it is real. Like you can produce Steve Smith, you 796 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: can produce Herve as much as you want, but they're 797 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: gonna say whatever it is is on their mind at 798 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: that moment. And that's why that show was so much 799 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: fun because it was so chaotic, and the chaos is 800 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: where I thrive, It's where they thrive. I love when 801 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: a rundown can just be completely ripped up and we're like, 802 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: you know what, we were supposed to have this conversation, 803 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: but what you just said is really crazy, So can 804 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: you please expand on that right now? And then to 805 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: be back on the road with fans, like you said, 806 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: after the year that we did the Pandemic where we 807 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: were all at our houses and they had me in 808 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: the studio this like big, cavernous studio alone, I was 809 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: just so happy to be able to sit at a 810 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: desk and see them next to me and then have 811 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: the like the energy of the fans. It's something that 812 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: I've never experienced. And having the ability to go to 813 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: all these different cities and be in all of these 814 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: stadiums and see all these different fan bases and all 815 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: of the signs, and everyone's traveled from all over and 816 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: everyone has stories, and being able to talk with everyone 817 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: and hear them, hear those stories from the fans, has 818 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: just been such a life altering experience. It's been really cool. 819 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: I love it. It's great, and it comes through obviously 820 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: on the screen. One thing I want to ask you 821 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: mentioned being in front the fans. I thought Philly was 822 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: probably for a variety of reasons, and I'll get into 823 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: those in a second. My favorite of all the shows 824 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: because the fans were bonkers. You had Joe flapping his 825 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: wings like an eagle in Herve's face, IRV, hating it, 826 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: hating it, genuine and genuine, like maybe they were going 827 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: to come to blows. And then what goes through your 828 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: mind when they throw the beer and hit Steve Smith 829 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: and he has the fastest snap around and like Joe's like, 830 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna go kill somebody waits, So 831 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: I think that when that happened, I'm I'm so used 832 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: to all three of their personalities that i someone was like, 833 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: you just continued to clean up all of your stuff 834 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: and you didn't even think twice about it, And I 835 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like I know she's gonna be fine, 836 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: Like he's gonna like get mad about that well, because 837 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: like it most that beer mostly hit him and I 838 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: didn't know what happened. And then apparently it was like 839 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: a situation where someone was on someone else's shoulders with 840 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: the beer and then they fell, and so it wasn't 841 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: like yes, but still that didn't help things. He was 842 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 1: hot for a second after that, and and then Herve's 843 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: talking about Philly fans and I was like, shut up, Herv, 844 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: like this is be quiet. It was great television, though, 845 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that you probably deal with a lot 846 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: of im imagine of a producer in your ear being 847 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: like can you try to control this? And it sometimes 848 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: there's no, I cannot control this, and they'll be like okay, 849 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: like rap, you gotta wrap them, And I'm like, do 850 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: you want me to physically get up and take the 851 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: microphone away from them? Like you guys can cut his 852 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: mic go ahead and do it, right. But that's the 853 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: best stuff when they get when they start to get 854 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: on each other about things and you can see them 855 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: sort of start to spiral. That's when I'm like, I 856 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: don't know if I should intervene, because this is really entertaining. 857 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm just watching it. Like everyone else. So when you 858 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: guys came to Cleveland this year, was that kind of 859 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: fun to feel that passion because I know you have 860 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: so many passion fan base out there. Ours I would 861 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: put up against any I think it is. It is bonkers, 862 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: the love you know that you have in players feel 863 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: and Joe certainly knows that. What was like to get 864 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: to come to Cleveland again this year. I love going 865 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: to Cleveland, and I love going to Cleveland with Joe Thomas. 866 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: It's like go It's like being with royalty. And I 867 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: still will never forget. It was one of my first 868 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: ever TNF games and it was the first time I 869 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: worked with Joe Thomas, and it was when the Browns 870 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: played the Jets two years ago, three two years ago, 871 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: two thou eighteen. Oh my god, what Tyrod Taylor was there. 872 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: He got hurt and then Baker came in the second 873 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: half victory fridges him and the Bears came out. And 874 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: I have never seen Joe Thomas. He's such a large 875 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: human being and he looked like a little kid, like 876 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: the joy on his face during that game. It was 877 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: such an experience, and honestly, I like, there are so 878 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: many games that I'm like, I don't even know what 879 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: happened last year, but I will never forget being in 880 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: Cleveland for that moment, being at the airport the next 881 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: day and there everyone, everyone was so happy. It was 882 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,439 Speaker 1: just such a joyous occasion and so like and even 883 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 1: this year being there with Joe, like having the best 884 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: tour guides of all tour guides. He is just such 885 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: an incredible human being. I love his whole entire family 886 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: and he makes Cleveland special. Coming up next to the 887 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: special edition of Clelo Brown's Daily, our conversation with New 888 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: Edge rusher Chase Winovich. You have that to look forward to, 889 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: which is nice. You're listen to Cleve the Brown's Daily 890 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: on fifesp in Cleveland, Cleveland Brown's Daily on sp in Cleveland. 891 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: There's lots of bad advice out there about gambling, from 892 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: secret methods to picking lottery numbers to betting big. When 893 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,439 Speaker 1: you're on a roll, the mists can lose your money 894 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,280 Speaker 1: and get you in a lot of trouble. So before 895 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: you wager, find out what's real and what isn't it. 896 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: Keep it fun Ohio dot com And now a conversation 897 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: Z had with one of our new favorites Brown's edge 898 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: rusher Chase Winovich. Here he is with Z Draft weekend. 899 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,479 Speaker 1: Exciting time for guys coming into the league. And let's 900 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: go back to yours. You're coming out of Michigan, the 901 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: hair is flowing, You're feeling great about yourself. What was 902 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: kind of your mindset going into that draft? I knew 903 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: I just needed one team to believe in me for 904 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity, and thankfully the Patriots um pull the trigger 905 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: and got me. And yeah, it was a crazy time 906 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: sit in front of a TV. Well, everyone watches you, 907 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, watch the TV, watch your phone. Just there's 908 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: a lot of emotions, a lot of anxiety waiting to 909 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 1: find out where you know, what team you're gonna play, 910 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: on what position you could play. But it's pretty cool. 911 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: It's very cool. So first of all, it's it's the 912 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: culmination of a dream, right, and then it starts another 913 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: dream because your goals will then change. But getting the 914 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: league obviously a huge accomplishment. So for you, you go 915 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: in the third round, which is an early pick day too, 916 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: picked there by the New England Patriots. Prior to them 917 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: calling you, did you have an idea the Patriots were 918 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: into did you think maybe there was another team, like, Oh, 919 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna go to this team. How is like 920 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: in terms of kind of the pre draft process and 921 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: all the meetings and whatever. Did you have an idea 922 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: who was it? Who was who was digging the chase 923 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 1: win a bit experience? Yeah, I'd say there's probably ten 924 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: teams or so which I um had a feeling that, 925 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, might pick me, but ultimately I didn't know. 926 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: So it's pretty pretty crazy. The phone rate. You're sitting there, 927 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: you get a phone call. Was the first phone call 928 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: you got, the one that ended up being the draft 929 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: or because sometimes you get calls like, oh, we're gonna 930 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: pick you next, then something crazy happens and it doesn't 931 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: end up happening. Was that the first call you got 932 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: from a team the Patriots? Yeah, that was the first 933 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: call I got. So I had a thumb surgery at 934 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: the time, so my hand was in a cast. I 935 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: couldn't play like most of the newer video games just 936 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: because you need a thumb. But unfortunately I was able 937 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: to play right. I was able to play Super Smash 938 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: bros On and sixty four with some of my friends 939 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: and we're in my my parents bedroom. We're playing and 940 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my phone started ringing, and it's 941 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: at Massachusetts and I was obviously ecstatic figuring out, you know, 942 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: that I was going to the Patriots, And it was 943 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: a great feeling for sure to finally how of a 944 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: a feather in my cap in terms of, you know, 945 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: moving on to the next chapter of my life, and 946 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: all the hard work leading up to that event. You know, 947 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: my time in Michigan, going back to high school and 948 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: everything leading up to the draft is no joke either, 949 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: So it was pretty nice. Yeah, that's awesome and a 950 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,280 Speaker 1: great thing you said about ten teams. Were the Browns 951 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: one of those ten teams? I don't think so. Okay, Well, listen, 952 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: they're interesting. You was blossomed now and in the year 953 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: two is they made the move to go and bring 954 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: you in, so you know, you were obviously very well 955 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: known in Michigan has had a very good football team. 956 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: What was it like going from being kind of like 957 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: a big man on campus, right and a leader on 958 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,240 Speaker 1: that defense and then joining an NFL team, and especially 959 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: for you joining the Patriots where now you're a rookie 960 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're trying to fit in after being 961 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: you know, the guy that everybody was looking up to 962 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: now you're going and you're like, where do I fit 963 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: here in the NFL. Yeah, I'd say it's a lot. 964 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, New England's um an interesting place to join 965 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: up with in the first place, but it's there's a 966 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: lot that goes into it. I mean, you're at the time, 967 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: I was entering the locker room with Tom Brady and 968 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 1: some other veteran players, and um, I was just doing 969 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: what I always try to do. I try to uh, 970 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: I try to learn as much as I can about 971 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: everything that I can. And ultimately, I mean i'd say 972 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: it worked out. Um it's yeah, but it's a it's 973 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: a lot. It is a very interesting process. But I'd 974 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 1: say change in general was never necessarily easy, but most 975 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: of the time it works out for the best. And 976 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 1: the fact that I'm abrown today shows that it it 977 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,879 Speaker 1: certainly has so far. Yeah, well absolutely, A B wasn't 978 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: as you came out in the what two thousand and 979 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: eighteen drafts, the nineteen draft, so maybe he wasn't here yet, 980 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: So that's a different was a different cruise, so now 981 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: that that's what I mean, it was, it was a 982 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 1: different crew. So that's why I don't think. I don't know, though, 983 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: I mean to be honest. The Patriots, I had a 984 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: meeting with them. I thought it went well, but at 985 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: the same time, it's a very stomic meeting. It's so 986 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: very tell us about this play here, you know, type 987 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: of meetings. So I left there and I was like, 988 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: that meeting went really well or really bad. I don't know. 989 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: The fact that hicked me. Uh went pretty pretty well. Yeah, 990 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: you nailed that one. And now here you are with 991 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,320 Speaker 1: the Browns. What's it been like to get around your teammates, 992 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: because you seem that you strike me as a guy 993 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: that probably loves being around the guys, loves being in 994 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: the locker room, the camaraderie and all of that, and 995 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: getting to get in here and finally get some workouts 996 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: and meet everybody. That's been great. I've really enjoyed getting 997 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: to meet my teammates, and it just seemed like, uh, 998 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: they just got a great vibe to him. You know, 999 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of really amazing guys, super talented obviously 1000 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: on the field, but uh, you know, I don't really 1001 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: see any of that stuff right away. It's all about 1002 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: like their personalities and just like just a feel thing 1003 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,359 Speaker 1: and I mean this whole heartedly. I'm loving it so far. Man, 1004 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm having a great time. The workouts are going really well. 1005 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: The guys are getting after it, We're getting stronger, we're 1006 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: getting smarter. The coaches are doing a great job teaching 1007 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: us the installs and stuff, and uh yeah, I'm really 1008 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,839 Speaker 1: enjoying it. Do you love getting in the way room? 1009 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: I imagine you like throwing the weights around? And this 1010 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 1: is a pretty fun strength staff that we've got here. 1011 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah it is now. The Strength app is really cool. 1012 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: They have a great, great process towards things in terms 1013 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: of like slicing it up by expertise and uh, just 1014 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: a great philosophy which is is big because it all 1015 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: starts kind of like it was her vision for things. Um. 1016 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: But now I love I love lifting weights. I love 1017 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: testing my body in any capacity. I take a cold 1018 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:46,320 Speaker 1: shower every day, freezing as cool as I can get it. Geez. 1019 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: And that's for Is that for recovery or is that 1020 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: just a test your You like to test yourself every day? 1021 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 1: That just for a test? Well, I started doing it, 1022 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: uh a while ago, but I found, like I always 1023 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: say this, and I know this is silly, but just 1024 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: with me, there's a there's something to be said for 1025 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: and this is gonna be this is gonna be a 1026 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: whild jump, I guess. But like like messing with people 1027 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: sometimes it can be fun in a playful way obviously, 1028 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: and nothing can mess with people more in terms of 1029 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: like it doesn't really have like a harmful impact. And 1030 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: let's see, like I guess you have really big figures 1031 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: or something, but like giving somebody a wet willing, it's 1032 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: like for whatever reason, they just like, uh, they people 1033 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,800 Speaker 1: like freak out, Like if you would like this is 1034 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,240 Speaker 1: somebody like your your daughters or your kids or whoever, 1035 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, or your buddies, Like doesn't I mean, 1036 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, I guess, but it's like people freak out. 1037 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,800 Speaker 1: You know. It's like for having such a little impact, 1038 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,399 Speaker 1: Like there's no actual consequence of giving somebody what willy 1039 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, you're probably not gonna get 1040 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: like injured or anything, but people like hate it. It's 1041 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: just a terrible feeling. Cool shadows are kind of like that, uh, 1042 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: in a different way where it's like it's free. It's 1043 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: literally the people for the most part, most of the 1044 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: people that I hang out with at least at least 1045 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: I hope, uh, take showers every day, that's right. So 1046 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,439 Speaker 1: if you figure that they're in the water every day, 1047 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: like all they have to do at the end of 1048 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: the shower just turn it the cold just like just 1049 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to even be it doesn't have to 1050 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,839 Speaker 1: be freezing, just cold enough that you could sit there 1051 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: and it's like uncomfortable and you could hear this part 1052 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 1: of your brain say, WHOA, turn that up. It's freezing, 1053 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: and it's it's like if you just sit there and 1054 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 1: just remind yourself but listen, I'm not gonna die, Like 1055 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be okay, And like, sure enough, you do 1056 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: that for a couple of days, and honestly, you like 1057 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: you begin to like really just like you like it, 1058 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: Like I honestly love taking cold showers now, like I 1059 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: think that uh like after I get out, I feel alive, 1060 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: I feel like energized, and it's like it's one of 1061 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: those things that you have to experience. But the rate, 1062 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 1: the difference between the amount how free it is and 1063 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: accessible it is to how powerful it is is like 1064 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: the comparison timately between that and what willies. It's like 1065 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 1: that that's not really harmful, but people hate it. Well, 1066 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,399 Speaker 1: i'd imagine now you're like, you must a cold tub. 1067 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 1: You laugh at that. Other guys like I don't want 1068 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: to go in the cold tub. You probably like yeah, whatever, 1069 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,359 Speaker 1: Like cold tub doesn't even phaze you. Cold tubs are 1070 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: so tough, But like I don't, I don't mind getting 1071 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: in a cold tub. Uh. It's a little different, but 1072 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, it's it affects your response a little differently. 1073 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: I'd get in a cold tub not necessarily like challenge 1074 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 1: my toughness, which you can or to become mentally tougher, 1075 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,399 Speaker 1: but as a modality of recovery rather for your body. Yeah, 1076 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 1: I like this. So the coulture, right, I'll try. I'll 1077 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: take it for a spin in the summer. Doesn't happen. 1078 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be freezing. Just just listen. Just 1079 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: don't have any music playing. Just turn at the end 1080 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,359 Speaker 1: of your shower so you've already you've already finished up, 1081 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,320 Speaker 1: Just sit there and just just turn it cold like 1082 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: just not it doesn't have to be all the way 1083 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,320 Speaker 1: and just sit there and listen, just feel and and 1084 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,359 Speaker 1: and and observe of those thoughts that pop into your mind. 1085 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 1: It's like if if you operate in that sort of 1086 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: like you know, like the type of fear anxiety written 1087 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: like state of consciousness, like in everything you do, it's 1088 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: just like you're a bully. Is that you're getting bullied 1089 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: essentially by this like subconscious system that like they don't 1090 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 1: really teach us about in school but realize you are, 1091 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: Like you're a philosopher kind of like a wellness guy. 1092 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: You know, it reminds you what you're talking about, like 1093 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:27,879 Speaker 1: the cold showers and I don't if you ever heard 1094 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: of whim Hoff. It's like breathing thing where you can 1095 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,520 Speaker 1: like hole end up holding your breath for like three 1096 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,399 Speaker 1: minutes or something. In saying that you can train your body, 1097 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: that we can train or buy you pretty amazing things, Yeah, 1098 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: they really can. I mean think about it. If you've 1099 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: got an iPhone, you know, if you never had a 1100 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: phone before, the first thing you probably want to do 1101 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: is like read the manual. You know. It's like we're 1102 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: not really given a manual on how to use the 1103 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 1: most complicated system on earth, which is our body. This 1104 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: is fantastic. I really I'm enjoying this. I'm enjoying this thoroughly. 1105 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 1: I think like are there have you found a lot 1106 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,839 Speaker 1: of other like minded people, Like one day you gotta 1107 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: talk to Joe Thomas, to Hoff and i'd imagine I 1108 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 1: don't know, I always on the other side of all 1109 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: but offensive Bland coach Scott Peters. They both kind of 1110 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: I feel like they operate in a similar way to 1111 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: you do in terms of how they see the world 1112 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 1: and how they try to apply that to better themselves. Yeah. No, 1113 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,720 Speaker 1: I've seen some of Joe Thomas's tweets and I definitely 1114 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: think we're on a similar vibe. Um. Yeah, there's there's 1115 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,759 Speaker 1: always more to learn. I'm sure they can teach me something. 1116 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: You know, surious time. Uh, you don't do ten thousands 1117 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: on plays by accident in a row, So maybe you 1118 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,320 Speaker 1: can teach the good knowledge coming to the squad. You 1119 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 1: already know the ten thousand, three sixty three. I like that. Yeah, 1120 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: ten thousand, three sixty three. That's it. I'm gonna try 1121 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: these cold showers. I'm gonna do that. I want to 1122 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,800 Speaker 1: talk to about golf though, because we were we were talking, 1123 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,800 Speaker 1: we got to see it up now and you're a golfer, 1124 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: When did you become into the into the game of 1125 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,879 Speaker 1: golf and how would you describe your game? So last 1126 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: year I was staying up in this place, Enfortsment. This 1127 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,720 Speaker 1: this woman named Trish was uh so generous to allow 1128 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: my my friends slash business partners, uh to to get 1129 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 1: posted up in and so we got a private chef 1130 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,040 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I was working out every day 1131 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: like a beast, and I would go outside and you know, 1132 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 1: we would do uh we called the Wentworth Championship or 1133 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 1: something along those lines, because that's the golf course we 1134 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: were on. And we was just one one hole, but 1135 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: it was like beautiful right on the water. And uh 1136 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: and I hit this one shot with this woman seven 1137 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 1: and the you know, the the number maybe going up, 1138 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, as time goes on. But uh, my my 1139 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,399 Speaker 1: friend said it was the farthest he's ever seen someone 1140 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 1: hit a seven iron. I think it might have been 1141 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 1: like two d fifty yards like it was. It was. 1142 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,000 Speaker 1: It was. It was a bomb. It was an aspid bomb. 1143 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 1: At that point, I just like, I just thought that 1144 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 1: was funny. I thought that was cool, like playing that. 1145 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,280 Speaker 1: So yesterday I went out. I was with a former teammate, 1146 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,800 Speaker 1: a um somebody went to the University of Michigan with 1147 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,400 Speaker 1: and Jared goffs with us too, and so yeah, it 1148 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 1: was it was a good time. Uh, it's competitive match. 1149 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,919 Speaker 1: They they helped us. They helped me some points along 1150 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: the way with my swinging stuff, but they gave us 1151 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,240 Speaker 1: a handicap. But we did come out with the victory. 1152 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: So right there, and I made you get bombs. There's something. 1153 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: So I come from like a my dad not so 1154 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: much golf from my uncle played at Stanford way way 1155 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,720 Speaker 1: way back in the day. And so but I remember, 1156 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,439 Speaker 1: and it's funny you say that. So the first shot 1157 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: that I ever got to hit was actually with the 1158 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 1: seven would he left me when I was in It 1159 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,839 Speaker 1: was somewhere between eighth grade and my freshman or high 1160 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 1: school when I learned how to play golf. And that's 1161 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 1: why I ended up playing in college was golf. And 1162 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,359 Speaker 1: I remember that, I know that we gotta get out there. 1163 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: We'll get out there. I can I can slap the 1164 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 1: ball around a little bit. But when you hit like 1165 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,560 Speaker 1: your seven are and you hit that and that feeling 1166 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,960 Speaker 1: when you hit the pure and you hit a bomb, 1167 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,759 Speaker 1: you're just like, oh man, and that's why give me 1168 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: the rains. The first time I hit one shot like that, 1169 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: and I hit it pure and it goes that's it. 1170 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 1: We're going home. I was like, what do you mean? 1171 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,359 Speaker 1: Like that was the best. I just want to keep 1172 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,840 Speaker 1: hitting balls. He's like, exactly, we're going home. And so 1173 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,080 Speaker 1: the next day, as soon as I woke up, I 1174 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,879 Speaker 1: was like, can we go back to the range please? 1175 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,440 Speaker 1: You know, uncle's ago, and he was like, all right, 1176 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,520 Speaker 1: let's go. And then that's awesome. That's cool. A legend, 1177 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,359 Speaker 1: a legend, Well you're gonna be I think obviously become 1178 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,600 Speaker 1: a legend fast with our with our fans. It's great 1179 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: to get to talk and all right, I'm taking the chase. 1180 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: One of it's cold shower challenge. Okay, do it Cold 1181 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,920 Speaker 1: shower challenges. It's literally so free it's right there, just 1182 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 1: like before you turn it off, just like pause and 1183 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,080 Speaker 1: I just just wait. Like I'm telling you, like there 1184 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 1: will be a part of your brain that speaks to you. 1185 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,720 Speaker 1: And just like I don't want to say like the 1186 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: word to describe that that type of voice that comes out, 1187 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,320 Speaker 1: but it's not it's not tough. It's not like a 1188 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: spartan that that comes to speak. It's like, get out 1189 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: of the shower. It's freezing, you know, like it's it's 1190 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: more alowing those your thoughts you're in You're you're getting 1191 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: into your inner self exactly, which is that's the only 1192 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 1: way we experienced the world anyways, Like you can't experience 1193 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: it from somewhere else. We're stuck inside these bodies. So 1194 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 1: that's right. Well, and I listen and you're you're making 1195 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: the most of yours, which is a wonderful thing. So 1196 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,560 Speaker 1: keep doing. That's right. That's what we're all doing. Right, 1197 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: we're all doing what weekend? Coming up next to the 1198 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 1: special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily, our conversation with Marcus 1199 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: Santos Silva from the hoops to the gridiron. That story 1200 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: coming up next. You're listen to Cleve the Browns Daily 1201 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:24,600 Speaker 1: on fifty ESPN Cleveland. Cleveland Browns Daily on eight fift 1202 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 1: e sp N, Cleveland. Welcome back into this special edition 1203 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: of Cleba Brown's Daily and now our conversation with Texas 1204 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 1: tech star turned NFL tight end Marcus Santos Silva was 1205 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 1: Z and I let's start with this. But for the 1206 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: folks who aren't aware you, you are a guy who 1207 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,040 Speaker 1: aspired to be a professional basketball player and played it 1208 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: at a very high level in the Big twelve at Tescas, 1209 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 1: Texas Teck. How do you end up with the Cleveland 1210 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:58,480 Speaker 1: Browns playing football? Um? So what happened was like, yeah, um, 1211 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: I used to play football when I was seven until 1212 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,960 Speaker 1: I was in high school and the next you know, 1213 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: my freshman year, I started a lot of basketball more 1214 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: and I started to take it serious and then it 1215 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 1: just led me all the way to Tech. And then 1216 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,280 Speaker 1: right after our season was over from played Duke in 1217 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 1: the sixteen, I was going I was doing the whole 1218 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 1: NBA route, but I wasn't really getting calls by like 1219 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: NBA teams. I was getting more overseas calls. And then 1220 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: the football coach I Teck called me and he was like, 1221 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm just getting I've been getting a lot of calls 1222 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,360 Speaker 1: from you for NFL teams that are wondering if you 1223 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,560 Speaker 1: would do the switch. And then next thing you know it, 1224 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: I started to think about it. And then once I 1225 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 1: decided to take it serious, like two weeks a week 1226 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,040 Speaker 1: a week later, I ended up having no workout with 1227 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,080 Speaker 1: the Browns. So what was that workout like? You come 1228 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,560 Speaker 1: out to the Cross Country Mortgage campus. What was that 1229 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,960 Speaker 1: workout like for you? What did they put you through it, 1230 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 1: and how did you think you did? Um So, I 1231 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 1: came out here and they flew me out like on 1232 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 1: a Sunday night, a man Monday morning, went to did 1233 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the physical and then around in the afternoon, I came 1234 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,760 Speaker 1: into the facility. They had me to do like a 1235 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: regular like pro day. Basically run a forty, run a 1236 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: five five, did the lane jump, and then after that 1237 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 1: it ran rapes and I did blocking right after Marcus, 1238 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 1: When did when when these when this stuff first starts trickling, 1239 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, trickling your way and the information and the 1240 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: interest is there. What what is that like inside your 1241 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: head of like, yeah, I think I can do this. 1242 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,439 Speaker 1: When did that happen? When did you start to train? 1243 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,760 Speaker 1: When did it start to be something you thought, Man, 1244 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,000 Speaker 1: maybe this is the path because someone of your basketball 1245 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,160 Speaker 1: talents could absolutely play, whether it was in the league 1246 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,120 Speaker 1: or overseas. I'm sure you still have options to do 1247 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: that if you want to do. But what made you 1248 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 1: make this decision at this point? Um So, my sophomore 1249 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,080 Speaker 1: year at my other school, I went to the d 1250 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 1: c U. I started to get like people was telling me, 1251 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 1: like NFL teams was like already like interested in me. 1252 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 1: Because we had a we had a player there named 1253 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Moiley Cox was the starting tight end with the cult 1254 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: and real were real close and he did the switch. 1255 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,560 Speaker 1: So then like I think scouts started to see me 1256 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 1: over there and like people that's like, would you conservant? 1257 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: And I thought it was way too early to do 1258 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,520 Speaker 1: it because I still wanted to see was this basketball 1259 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,760 Speaker 1: is going to pan out? And then next you know, 1260 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: as the years go on, more talk up on coming 1261 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: about it, and then uh, right after the Duke game 1262 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 1: that happened. And then once I decided to like fully committed, 1263 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 1: I started to work out like a good uh once 1264 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,320 Speaker 1: it a good week and a half before my workout, 1265 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,240 Speaker 1: and then I came up here did it? They signed me? 1266 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,000 Speaker 1: And then now with the whole process, I feel like 1267 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm anna just beat. I'm a I'm a hundred committing, 1268 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,720 Speaker 1: hundred percent committed in this whole thing. I really want 1269 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 1: to make this workout because I've been actually having a 1270 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: lot of fun with it. So when you come up here, 1271 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,520 Speaker 1: you do the workout. And Adam al Kayel, the Brown's 1272 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,960 Speaker 1: assistant director of pro personnel, he's the one who kind 1273 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 1: of presented the case to bring you in to Dan 1274 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: Saggany and Glenn Cookie and Andrew Berry. They bring you 1275 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,080 Speaker 1: in and then he gets to tell you that you 1276 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: get a contract. And what was that moment like for 1277 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 1: you when when he said we're signing you and let 1278 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,560 Speaker 1: you know what that actually meant that you would be 1279 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,840 Speaker 1: a part of the Cleveland Browns obviously this season going 1280 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: into training camp and not just back for rookie Minicamp, 1281 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,200 Speaker 1: but that the brown signed you. They wanted to have 1282 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,920 Speaker 1: you in their program. Uh one. So after I got 1283 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: down with the workout, I would say, like, I feel 1284 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,480 Speaker 1: like thirty minutes I had I was talking to them 1285 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,120 Speaker 1: and then it was like, oh they liked what they stopped. 1286 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just telling me stuff. And then 1287 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: I said like, we would like to sign you. So 1288 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,439 Speaker 1: in my mind, I thought, Okay, he's gonna be gonna 1289 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,600 Speaker 1: sign me to come in for a rookie minicamp because 1290 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,160 Speaker 1: I had I had two scheduled. Uh after that workout, 1291 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 1: I had two other rookie minicamps coming up that I 1292 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 1: was already committed you to go to, and so I 1293 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, he's going I mean to a rookie 1294 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: minicamp and I gotta do that. So I have to. 1295 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,320 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're you guys are signed me 1296 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,880 Speaker 1: to a rookie minicamp right. He was like, no, we're 1297 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: signed you to the roster. So then when he when 1298 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 1: that happened, I was like, I was like in shock, 1299 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 1: and then like yeah, I asked. I was like, hey, 1300 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,880 Speaker 1: do you guys care if I swear right now? And 1301 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,960 Speaker 1: because I was like, I was like, I was like surprised, 1302 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: like like I was like, oh, like I told my 1303 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,000 Speaker 1: agent before I went there, like yeah, they I'm gonna 1304 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,800 Speaker 1: make They're gonna offer me a contract. Because I was 1305 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,000 Speaker 1: like real confidently out like I was like, I'm gonna 1306 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 1: be really good enough to it. But then when they 1307 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,840 Speaker 1: actually when they actually told me they're gonna offer me, 1308 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: They're gonna give me a contract, it was like I 1309 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,200 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, it's an awesome story. And you mentioned, 1310 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,320 Speaker 1: you know with mo Aali Cox, and he's had you know, 1311 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 1: some ups and downs in the sense that he was 1312 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,760 Speaker 1: on a practice squad, he was waived a bunch of times, 1313 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,360 Speaker 1: and now you know, he's a guy who's I think 1314 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,360 Speaker 1: he's had six touchdowns the last couple of seasons, and 1315 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,920 Speaker 1: they just signed him to a contract extension so it's 1316 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,800 Speaker 1: cool that you have somebody you know who's followed this path. 1317 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,720 Speaker 1: What's kind of been the best piece of advice that 1318 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,320 Speaker 1: he's giving you, And I'm sure he's fired up for 1319 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,960 Speaker 1: you to get this opportunity. Um, he just really told me. 1320 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,600 Speaker 1: He was like physically, he's like, you're gonna be straight 1321 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,600 Speaker 1: with the physical part. He's like, it's just mostly like mental, 1322 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Like you like you really got like I act I 1323 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,120 Speaker 1: I asked to some point, and he was like, I 1324 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 1: just he just wouldn't all he was all committed in 1325 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,040 Speaker 1: the playbook because he was like coming basically mean him 1326 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,880 Speaker 1: coming from basketball we don't really know and football terminology, 1327 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,840 Speaker 1: football schemes, so like compared to like someone that's been 1328 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,160 Speaker 1: in college but both have been playing, they understake could 1329 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,560 Speaker 1: they could pick it up because they understand it. To us, 1330 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 1: it's like a whole new language. So he was like, 1331 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,480 Speaker 1: you really just got to be committed to the UH playbook. 1332 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,200 Speaker 1: And then that's what I've just been doing. And then 1333 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,919 Speaker 1: right now since we're having this break until training camp, 1334 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,320 Speaker 1: that's like one of my main goals is to uh 1335 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,520 Speaker 1: commit to the playbook. And then he also told me 1336 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,919 Speaker 1: like uh footwork and all that because it's all different 1337 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,600 Speaker 1: footwork from basketball and football. So like he was the 1338 01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,560 Speaker 1: point is that he gave me. It really helped me 1339 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,960 Speaker 1: out if I had a type of had like a 1340 01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 1: good type of vision of what it was going to 1341 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: be like. But then once I came here, I was 1342 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 1: like okay, and then like stuff started to pick up 1343 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,560 Speaker 1: for me. So basically the stuff that he told me 1344 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 1: that was going to be a challenge that I had 1345 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,360 Speaker 1: when you could work on, it's stuff I've been focused on. Marcus, 1346 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Is there is it? Who do you do you watch 1347 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 1: film of guys? Are there? Are are there guys who 1348 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,280 Speaker 1: study guys in the league that you get tape on 1349 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 1: and as you're trying to transition who who what do 1350 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,120 Speaker 1: you doing? From that perspective, Um, the main person I 1351 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,960 Speaker 1: watched is Wronk, like because I like, I like, we're 1352 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,080 Speaker 1: both tall and big and like same kind of same 1353 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 1: body type. So I watched about it Bronk Um. I 1354 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: like watching Kiddle Kelsey. Um. I really like, like I 1355 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,160 Speaker 1: really watched any like really good any tight ends in 1356 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,240 Speaker 1: the league, and I really pay attention to like their 1357 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,280 Speaker 1: footwork and stuff. Then you mentioned the footwork and then 1358 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 1: and blocking is a part of it, right, it's one 1359 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 1: and oh yeah, and the block and like, uh kiddle, 1360 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,080 Speaker 1: I watched kiddo because he's really good at block, and 1361 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: um Kelsey I watched because if his boat, his boat 1362 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,720 Speaker 1: worked and all that, and then uh drunk, I just 1363 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,200 Speaker 1: watched his overall, just watch what he does because that's 1364 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,560 Speaker 1: why I'm trying to model my game. Like absolutely, from 1365 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,480 Speaker 1: your mouth to gods, is that would be tremendous for 1366 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,200 Speaker 1: you and for this organization obviously, you know, And you've 1367 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: got a guy in your room, and David Joku came 1368 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,920 Speaker 1: in the league very young and not played much tight 1369 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,360 Speaker 1: and really kind of started getting going in in college 1370 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,080 Speaker 1: and yet he's become one of the better blockers. So 1371 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,400 Speaker 1: you've got guys in your room that you can lean 1372 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,440 Speaker 1: on as well. I do want to say this from 1373 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: being out there, you are a very natural catcher of 1374 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:35,920 Speaker 1: the football. And I know that's one of the things 1375 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,400 Speaker 1: they've talked about. You don't fight the ball at all. 1376 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,320 Speaker 1: Looks like you've been catching a football a long time 1377 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,440 Speaker 1: and it's different than a basketball. Is that something that 1378 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,840 Speaker 1: you worked really hard on kind of prior to coming 1379 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,960 Speaker 1: out here, and just how to catch it? How to 1380 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,880 Speaker 1: high point how to make kind of like that diamonds 1381 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 1: see the ball at the point of the ball come 1382 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,000 Speaker 1: through there, because at least to my my eye anyway, 1383 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: it looks very natural to you catching a football. Oh yeah, yeah, 1384 01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,080 Speaker 1: So when when you talking about the joke of that 1385 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,000 Speaker 1: first year, I also up the Joku and Bryant and 1386 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,400 Speaker 1: Miller and um Giant they've been helping out a lot 1387 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,280 Speaker 1: with me over here. And just like I think watching film, 1388 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,560 Speaker 1: watching film way different watching in person, like watching Harrison 1389 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,640 Speaker 1: and how he's running, he blocks, watching especially watching the Joku, 1390 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,800 Speaker 1: like just how he's run, his catching, his blocking, I 1391 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,680 Speaker 1: really pay attention to. And he's been helping me out 1392 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,960 Speaker 1: with a lot of pointers. So that's been good. And 1393 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:28,120 Speaker 1: then for the catching, um, I think I would say 1394 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: basketball would have to do something like do some of it. 1395 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,320 Speaker 1: But um, when I started to workout, I remember my 1396 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,440 Speaker 1: first day I was working out, I was going out 1397 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,000 Speaker 1: catching and like my trainer was saying, like you they 1398 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,640 Speaker 1: would expect to like a basketball player coming to football, 1399 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: have hard hands, stones like they said, stone hands, and 1400 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,520 Speaker 1: not like catches, tough hands. And he was like, nah, 1401 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 1: you just naturally catch. So like that did and then Um. 1402 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,560 Speaker 1: When I went back to Tech to work out with 1403 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 1: one of the qbs, he was like, yeah, you just 1404 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,360 Speaker 1: gotta work on technique and all that stuff. But he's like, 1405 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,040 Speaker 1: you're catching. It's like and like he's like, you're catching good, 1406 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,720 Speaker 1: Like you just you look natural catching the ball. And 1407 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: then what I look at it? I just like, really 1408 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,800 Speaker 1: just focus on the ball and I just look at 1409 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,600 Speaker 1: all right when the QB knows it to me, that 1410 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,480 Speaker 1: couldn't trust in me, so I make this catch. So 1411 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 1: that's how I just really look at it. For those 1412 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,600 Speaker 1: of you out there who don't watch a lot of 1413 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,080 Speaker 1: college basketball, and one other factor in this, Marcus played 1414 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 1: it at VCU and then at Texas Tech. I'm sure 1415 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,160 Speaker 1: he would corroborate this. Those are two of the most physical, 1416 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,280 Speaker 1: toughest programs you can play at. I mean Tech or Rugged. 1417 01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,840 Speaker 1: You guys are rugged at Tech. You were the last 1418 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,040 Speaker 1: couple of years. This year the same as well. I 1419 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,240 Speaker 1: mean that is battles in the Big Twelve and his 1420 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,400 Speaker 1: rugged a conference and a rugged his style of players 1421 01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 1: you're gonna find, Oh yeah, definitely. Our head coach at Tech. 1422 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,720 Speaker 1: He he really was like, if you're not going to 1423 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,360 Speaker 1: play defense and go all out, I don't want you. 1424 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,200 Speaker 1: So that's what we really did was just play hard, 1425 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,400 Speaker 1: to just play defense over there in Texas, that's what 1426 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:58,080 Speaker 1: they're known for West Texas toughness. They slay over there. 1427 01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of high onic that the Big Twelve in 1428 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,519 Speaker 1: basketball is known as the physical tough division and in football, 1429 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: I think there's more defense played in Big twelve basketball. 1430 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:13,960 Speaker 1: In football, it feels that way. Football it's really known 1431 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:18,080 Speaker 1: for the high scoring and office absolutely slinging it around 1432 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,760 Speaker 1: the yard. There has did that like physicality helping as 1433 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,880 Speaker 1: the physicality of the game at all surprised you, and 1434 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,320 Speaker 1: I know you guys really haven't gotten into that. I'm 1435 01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,280 Speaker 1: probably sure you're looking forward to that in training camp, 1436 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 1: getting the pads on and actually playing some football. Is 1437 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,120 Speaker 1: that something that you enjoy, the contact of physicality, the 1438 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,640 Speaker 1: ability to you know, as a tight end right you 1439 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,720 Speaker 1: do everything. And that's why they say it is a 1440 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,600 Speaker 1: position that can take some time because you need to 1441 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,640 Speaker 1: know everything in the past game, and you need to 1442 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,400 Speaker 1: know everything in the run game and be an extension 1443 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,200 Speaker 1: of the offensive line at times. Do you like that 1444 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: physicality and is that something you're looking forward putting the 1445 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,240 Speaker 1: pads on and getting to actually feel that physicality. Oh yeah, definitely. 1446 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,360 Speaker 1: Um when when when I was younger and I used 1447 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:55,720 Speaker 1: to play, everyone used to say I was just like 1448 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,920 Speaker 1: physical and and playing that my my position when I 1449 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 1: played in basketball. FI cool, But he's definitely not the 1450 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,160 Speaker 1: same as football. And I think, honestly, like I'm not 1451 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,759 Speaker 1: really worried about the physicality part, like what I'm getting 1452 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,639 Speaker 1: into for football, and like just so I know I'm 1453 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,120 Speaker 1: gonna go out there and just do what I gotta do. 1454 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,360 Speaker 1: I know i'm gonna get hit blocking all that, I'm 1455 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,160 Speaker 1: gonna be good with that. And I'm like, once I 1456 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,240 Speaker 1: get the hang of it, I'm also getting back to 1457 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,120 Speaker 1: contact and I'm gonna hold my ground out there. And 1458 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,920 Speaker 1: then just I just told people. People would come up 1459 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,439 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you're right for some boys to 1460 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,519 Speaker 1: be hitting in football. I was like, yeah, I'm fine 1461 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,639 Speaker 1: with that. It's just I didn't realize how mentally football 1462 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 1: was with the playbook, like that's the main thing at 1463 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,240 Speaker 1: first that I'm really like, that's the main thing that 1464 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,160 Speaker 1: the playbook. Yeah, and all the different checks you could 1465 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,320 Speaker 1: have based on the defensive alignment and how a route 1466 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:42,960 Speaker 1: could be this. But if they're lined up that way, 1467 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,680 Speaker 1: you're running a different round, and all the little things 1468 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 1: you need to worry about, blitz pickups. It's a ton. 1469 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,320 Speaker 1: It is a ton to digest. And it's good that 1470 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 1: you're already diving in the playbook and that you got 1471 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 1: moil Cox to kind of helped guide you there, and 1472 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,240 Speaker 1: the players in your room and your your position coach 1473 01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,720 Speaker 1: TC McCartney. So you've got that there. What I want 1474 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,160 Speaker 1: to ask about real quick, cause I know the Browns 1475 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,519 Speaker 1: went out to the Cavs facility the other day and 1476 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,040 Speaker 1: you know you're coming in. You were a college basketball 1477 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,800 Speaker 1: player at the highest level. Did you were you surprised 1478 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,639 Speaker 1: that some of the skills some of the guys had 1479 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,760 Speaker 1: in that day at the Calves? And do you feel 1480 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,160 Speaker 1: like the Browns could put together a pretty formidable basketball team? 1481 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,599 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they could pay a really good basketball team. 1482 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,200 Speaker 1: M jacoby said. Would be the three point shooting he 1483 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: ended up winning. Oh yeah, he was stroking it. But 1484 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,719 Speaker 1: um um, you know it was I wasn't really surprised because, 1485 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,439 Speaker 1: like if you look at it, most of the guys 1486 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,800 Speaker 1: on that play football, they ended up playing high school 1487 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,439 Speaker 1: basketball on their free time. They go, they go, they 1488 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,360 Speaker 1: go shoot around and stuff. So I wasn't really surprised 1489 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 1: with that. It was it was actually fun that he 1490 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,400 Speaker 1: was able to go out there and do that. Were 1491 01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,160 Speaker 1: you gonna lock some people up? I feel like I 1492 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,120 Speaker 1: feel like you would. Thank you, brother, I feel like 1493 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,400 Speaker 1: you'd locked some people. Uh lock some people up there 1494 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,559 Speaker 1: between you. J Okay was was all State and he says, 1495 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,960 Speaker 1: he's like hedna defensive guy. It was some of the 1496 01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,240 Speaker 1: guys like some of the some of the defense and 1497 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,760 Speaker 1: the um we was playing someone's down low face up 1498 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,519 Speaker 1: in the post and coach the bants. He came. He 1499 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,720 Speaker 1: was like, hey, make sure you guys are careful over here. 1500 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,479 Speaker 1: He was having a nice friendly competition over there. Who was? 1501 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,760 Speaker 1: Who was? Who was? Who surprised you when you were 1502 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,320 Speaker 1: down in the post with him? Who? Who is? Who 1503 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,760 Speaker 1: caught your attention? Um? Curtis? He has he has some 1504 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,280 Speaker 1: good moves. He has some good He got me with 1505 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:25,040 Speaker 1: some good face. Yeah, wow, right, okay, you have some 1506 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,080 Speaker 1: He has some good moves down there. And then um 1507 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: uh Chase he went on a or scoring He went 1508 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,920 Speaker 1: he scored fourth straight on all of us in one 1509 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 1: and he has like the old man moves down there. 1510 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,000 Speaker 1: So he played one game, He's like, I'm done. Go 1511 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,240 Speaker 1: out on a high note. Man. Absolutely well for him, 1512 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,240 Speaker 1: he's like, right, if he's scoring me at the game point, 1513 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,439 Speaker 1: he's like, Yep, I'm done. I'm done. Getting as good 1514 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,760 Speaker 1: park As. We watched the draft tonight, the NBA drafted tonight, 1515 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,479 Speaker 1: we'll be interested in that. Played a lot of Again. Yeah, 1516 01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,639 Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna watch it because I know a couple 1517 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,000 Speaker 1: of some of my friends are there, and then some 1518 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,280 Speaker 1: of my teammates who I feel like they might get drafted. 1519 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,240 Speaker 1: I told one, I'm like, hey, if you guys get 1520 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,280 Speaker 1: a contract from to keep Cleveland Cavalier, calm down here 1521 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,360 Speaker 1: like it. It's beautiful. Could probably be. We could probably 1522 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,720 Speaker 1: be roommates. Smart Smart. I'm hoping for one of them 1523 01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,720 Speaker 1: to come down here. But now I'm happy for them. 1524 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,880 Speaker 1: They all they all did, they all worked really hard 1525 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,200 Speaker 1: to get to where they are right now. So I'm 1526 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 1: definitely gonna be supporting them. That's a beautiful thing. Well, 1527 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,240 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a fun voyage for you over 1528 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,280 Speaker 1: the next couple of months and once we get into camp. 1529 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,479 Speaker 1: Really great having me on today. Thanks for your time, Pal, 1530 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me I appreciate you guys coming 1531 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,760 Speaker 1: up next to this special edition to Clue the Browns Daily, 1532 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,240 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, he joined it was fun you listen to 1533 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:52,559 Speaker 1: Cleve the Browns Daily ESPN, Cleveland Cleveland BROWNSD on esp 1534 01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:58,480 Speaker 1: and Cleveland Rumkey Wasted recycling his family owned and operated. 1535 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,760 Speaker 1: Whether you join it as a customers employee, you'll become 1536 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 1: part of the family. Visit Runkey dot com to learn more. 1537 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,080 Speaker 1: And now in the special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily, 1538 01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,240 Speaker 1: the time, Joe Thomas just called in, I already know 1539 01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,080 Speaker 1: what you're doing, so I don't even before I before 1540 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,840 Speaker 1: you even raise your hand. This is a reaction to 1541 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 1: the half. Isn't it amazing? I just toubically. We had 1542 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,519 Speaker 1: to share because it's unbelievable. How did you know that's 1543 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,240 Speaker 1: what I was doing? Because I knew. I knew that, 1544 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,280 Speaker 1: I knew that we you would have Twitter up. I 1545 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,920 Speaker 1: had the same reaction you have when I read it, 1546 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,000 Speaker 1: and when I saw your face in your hand raised. 1547 01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:35,920 Speaker 1: There was only one thing that it could be in 1548 01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,479 Speaker 1: response to, and it was what the haff just put 1549 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:44,680 Speaker 1: on social He put so make your bed tweets. If 1550 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,719 Speaker 1: you want to change the world, start off by making 1551 01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,240 Speaker 1: your bed. That's what make your bed said, to which 1552 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas writes the Haff verified, I disagree. Double exclamation point, 1553 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,040 Speaker 1: make your bed, double exclamation point. Screw that. This is 1554 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,200 Speaker 1: where it gets interesting. I like to start my day 1555 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,960 Speaker 1: with a game of chance. It's the underwear lottery. I 1556 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,160 Speaker 1: reach into the grab bag and pull out a pair 1557 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,280 Speaker 1: of briefs. Remind me to come back to Yeah, that's 1558 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,760 Speaker 1: a huge words you're gonna you're getting that's gonna get 1559 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,840 Speaker 1: lost in what comes next. First thing in the a 1560 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:24,200 Speaker 1: m summer, holy summer, tight, summer. Stained. Some are perfect. 1561 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,960 Speaker 1: If it's a nice pair, I've already started my day 1562 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 1: with a jackpot feeling. If it's a crappy pair, that 1563 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,400 Speaker 1: will ruin my day. But at least I find out 1564 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,000 Speaker 1: that my day will suck right off the bat. Okay, 1565 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,479 Speaker 1: we need to get him on here in the next 1566 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: ten minutes to discuss the brief part of this, the 1567 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,519 Speaker 1: fact that he has stained and ruined underwear still in 1568 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,880 Speaker 1: the circulation. In the circulation, sir, you are a millionaire, 1569 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,160 Speaker 1: and what are we doing? Like maybe maybe box There's 1570 01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:55,920 Speaker 1: no way he's walking around in briefs at this day 1571 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,040 Speaker 1: and age there's a better technology box of briefs. So 1572 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say I have twenty pair that 1573 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,360 Speaker 1: are all been purchased within the last year and a half, 1574 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,880 Speaker 1: and you gotta get Yeah, it's cycled through and it 1575 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,559 Speaker 1: needs to be. For me, it's always a sporty brands 1576 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,320 Speaker 1: boxer reef. That's what I like. So I like it 1577 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,840 Speaker 1: to have that like material. Yeah, and we go through. 1578 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,200 Speaker 1: Tommy John's also very good. I have quite a few 1579 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,599 Speaker 1: Tommy Johnson. I'm a sun spell and and Tommy john 1580 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:31,479 Speaker 1: Tommy John's great. But that's I mean, this is I 1581 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,840 Speaker 1: almost fell such an attention I as fell out of 1582 01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,479 Speaker 1: my chair. I think we need to he respired. I 1583 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,200 Speaker 1: tweeted and I said your tweets have one the day 1584 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:46,080 Speaker 1: and he loved that. Stand by, stand by? Is he 1585 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:53,000 Speaker 1: coming on? Let's go, let's go just stall for me 1586 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,880 Speaker 1: for a second. I love that. I just I love that. 1587 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,400 Speaker 1: I just raised my hand and was laughing for this 1588 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,280 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be great, almost crying, and that you 1589 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,800 Speaker 1: you're like, I know exactly exactly as soon as I 1590 01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,200 Speaker 1: saw your face. There's only one thing that would elicit 1591 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,160 Speaker 1: that response. There's so many questions I have there's so 1592 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,479 Speaker 1: much to dissect here, and just a too tweet, I mean, 1593 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,240 Speaker 1: and just what characters. By the way, the original tweet 1594 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:26,160 Speaker 1: was tweeted seventeen hours ago. What the original responding to 1595 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,280 Speaker 1: responding he went back to back right at two thirty 1596 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,320 Speaker 1: and then hashtag deep thought of it, which I thought 1597 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,479 Speaker 1: was a tremendous way to like cap it up. I 1598 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,599 Speaker 1: just loved it. If he pulls a crappy pair instead 1599 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,800 Speaker 1: of saying that, by the way, let it would be 1600 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,160 Speaker 1: very easy to just replace that's out right, and then 1601 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to get a good one and said, he 1602 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:54,800 Speaker 1: saved my days. My days, It's done. It's done. Half clarity. 1603 01:17:55,680 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: We need clarity. What an unbelievable series of tweets. Oh 1604 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,080 Speaker 1: those were my deep thoughts from Vegas over the weekend, 1605 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,760 Speaker 1: and I had to I had to send them out 1606 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,680 Speaker 1: to the people. They needed to hear this, because this 1607 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,519 Speaker 1: malooney malarkey that you're supposed to make your bed first 1608 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: thing in the morning and is supposed to leave you 1609 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,160 Speaker 1: a great day is just runsh I hate making my bed. 1610 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,800 Speaker 1: It's the worst, most unproductive thing on the face of 1611 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 1: the earth. Because the very first thing I have to do, 1612 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,200 Speaker 1: what I'm tired, and all I want to do is 1613 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,360 Speaker 1: go to bed and have to unmake my bed, have 1614 01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,200 Speaker 1: to go backwards and go back to where I started 1615 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:37,280 Speaker 1: the entire horrible day from put Off. But Huff in 1616 01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,559 Speaker 1: your tweet, I feel like I could solve your whole 1617 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,200 Speaker 1: day by just always having a nice pair of drawers 1618 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,720 Speaker 1: for you. But like you have means Huff, we could 1619 01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:54,120 Speaker 1: get you from me. I think a bad pair. It's 1620 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,200 Speaker 1: out right in the garbage. Oh why didn't I think 1621 01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,960 Speaker 1: of that the first place? Fifteen years and a sponsor gone. 1622 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,080 Speaker 1: You're athletes and I don't have nice pears of underwear, 1623 01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,840 Speaker 1: And I still pull Off makes great box briefs. I've 1624 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,640 Speaker 1: got a lot of them. I don't know why I 1625 01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:12,120 Speaker 1: still have him. I pull him on like crappy stare 1626 01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't fit, But I'm gonna have to wear them 1627 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:18,400 Speaker 1: the whole day. I love that you're compelled once you 1628 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,360 Speaker 1: pull it. It's like you have no choice. It is 1629 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,240 Speaker 1: it is so, it is so like you must wear 1630 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,439 Speaker 1: that pair. Well, it's it's part of the roulette game, 1631 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,719 Speaker 1: right if you're able to go back to the grab 1632 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,000 Speaker 1: bag and tack a new one out, But you lose 1633 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,800 Speaker 1: that jackpot feeling that you get when you pull out 1634 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,120 Speaker 1: the perfect pair right, but have to have the misery 1635 01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:42,960 Speaker 1: in order to have the joy, your joy joy. You 1636 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,479 Speaker 1: gotta know what it's like to be down, baby, to 1637 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,120 Speaker 1: appreciate what it's like to be up. That's what it is, Okay. 1638 01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,479 Speaker 1: It just makes me sad. As somebody who loves you 1639 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: and loves your I think we have a common you know, 1640 01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,640 Speaker 1: zest for life and zest for the world to know 1641 01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,439 Speaker 1: that by one unfortunate pool of either where they quite 1642 01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,840 Speaker 1: frankly shouldn't be in your stable of draws anymore, that 1643 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,160 Speaker 1: it can ruin your day. And that makes me sad 1644 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,000 Speaker 1: because I care about you and I want you to 1645 01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,559 Speaker 1: have great days every day. Well, thank you, But at 1646 01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,280 Speaker 1: least I find out about it early, so I know 1647 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,960 Speaker 1: the day is going to start from the moment I 1648 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,920 Speaker 1: start brushing my teeth and I put on a new 1649 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,320 Speaker 1: pair of underwear or a new pair of old underwear 1650 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,439 Speaker 1: that holds coop stains on them. Have you have you 1651 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,200 Speaker 1: ever been able to overcome a bad pool and go 1652 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:37,000 Speaker 1: on to have a surprising great question? Never? Never? Can 1653 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,760 Speaker 1: We also say, just for clarity that in the use 1654 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,200 Speaker 1: of like when you say briefs. It's a boxer brief. 1655 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,559 Speaker 1: You're choosing, correct, Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm a big boxer 1656 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,719 Speaker 1: brief guy. I don't know. I don't wear the boxer 1657 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,680 Speaker 1: boxer briefs all the way. Yeah, okay, yeah I was. 1658 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,760 Speaker 1: I was worried. We're worried about the haff running a 1659 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,760 Speaker 1: muck and tidy Whitey's, and just felt like that wasn't 1660 01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:02,559 Speaker 1: a man, that wasn't even Larry David people that were 1661 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,720 Speaker 1: with them, And I bet Lbie also probably has unusable 1662 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,519 Speaker 1: underwear still in his stable. He strikes me as a 1663 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,720 Speaker 1: guy's throwing underwear out. No, you can't throw underwear out, 1664 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, you also can't wear brief with these thundersized. 1665 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,559 Speaker 1: There'd be so much shaping. Though the end of the day, 1666 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,719 Speaker 1: the idea that hoff and and Uh and Larry David 1667 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,960 Speaker 1: have this much in common pleases me because I can 1668 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,320 Speaker 1: see this is an episode of this is Curb right now, 1669 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,840 Speaker 1: This is curb. Yeah, you just did curb your enthusiasts. 1670 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,519 Speaker 1: I think you just had a great time in Vegas. 1671 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,400 Speaker 1: That's what that's what sounds like to me. We are 1672 01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,479 Speaker 1: not quite the same as we were before this trip. 1673 01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:41,600 Speaker 1: Were changed I'm having withdrawals a little bit in in 1674 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,160 Speaker 1: many facets after coming home from Vegas and going right 1675 01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,920 Speaker 1: to the Brewers game, bread to tailgating at nine am 1676 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:53,360 Speaker 1: on Sunday morning. Brewers game yesterday the top weekend for 1677 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:59,680 Speaker 1: my internal organs. You got a detox. Oh my god, well, fantastic. 1678 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for the update. You got a quick go ahead, 1679 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,080 Speaker 1: real quick. Half of you spoken with your great personal 1680 01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,600 Speaker 1: friend The Rock fifth turns fifty today. How about that 1681 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,040 Speaker 1: good reminder. I got a column here before the days 1682 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,960 Speaker 1: out to send him the celebration and a happy birthday 1683 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,200 Speaker 1: that I'm sure he's been waiting for all day. There's 1684 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,120 Speaker 1: no doubt the way he looks at you, all the admiration. 1685 01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,320 Speaker 1: But the question is, and I don't believe, I can't 1686 01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,160 Speaker 1: believe we haven't asked this yet, is what did you 1687 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,120 Speaker 1: pull today? You sound very jovial, so I have to 1688 01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:28,880 Speaker 1: imagine it had to be a good pair. It's The 1689 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,880 Speaker 1: Rock's birthday, and imagine you gotta have a good pair on. 1690 01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,040 Speaker 1: It was a great pair. That's why I'm having a 1691 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,760 Speaker 1: great day. So I'm just talking to you, guys. I 1692 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,880 Speaker 1: knew it would be a great day from the moment 1693 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,880 Speaker 1: I pulled out perfect pair of tighty ready. And this 1694 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,400 Speaker 1: is why, because I get an opportunity, unprompted, unscheduled, to 1695 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,360 Speaker 1: be on CBD and and remind me that I did 1696 01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,600 Speaker 1: get to meet the rock. And I'm looking at the 1697 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,720 Speaker 1: picture on my wall right now, and he wrote on there. 1698 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,880 Speaker 1: This is in his writing. I didn't tell him to 1699 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,800 Speaker 1: write this. You're an inspiration. And maybe it's because of 1700 01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,400 Speaker 1: my lust for life and my understanding of the first 1701 01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,400 Speaker 1: thing in the morning, how great it is to pull 1702 01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,679 Speaker 1: a nice pair of underwear out of the grab bage box. 1703 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,360 Speaker 1: Are briefly that change in the world one day. I 1704 01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,880 Speaker 1: hope your glorious day continues. It's already written. It's like 1705 01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,599 Speaker 1: it's of course it's continued. It's already in stone. Yeah. 1706 01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,599 Speaker 1: Do you ever use that with with with the mrs? 1707 01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,960 Speaker 1: Like pulled the bad pair today? Like you leave me alone, 1708 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,040 Speaker 1: cut me some slack? Is she aware I should? She 1709 01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,120 Speaker 1: tries to throw my under our way, which really kind 1710 01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:32,519 Speaker 1: of piped me off. So you know, she could plains 1711 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: about them getting and stained, and you know it's just 1712 01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,439 Speaker 1: a little bit ratty. But I just don't like throwing away. 1713 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,479 Speaker 1: I'm not really a hoarder. But when it comes to close, 1714 01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:43,880 Speaker 1: I just have a hard time getting rid of it, 1715 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,880 Speaker 1: even underwear. Dad's played a special if. I'm sure at 1716 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,720 Speaker 1: some point it was part of a great day, Like 1717 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,200 Speaker 1: at one point it was yeah, and then it's a 1718 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:57,120 Speaker 1: great point. Good soldiers think about it all like the 1719 01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,559 Speaker 1: great days that you can think back that you had. 1720 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,680 Speaker 1: Fair you just don't want to get rid of them. 1721 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,280 Speaker 1: And what are you gonna do? Put him in a frame, 1722 01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,120 Speaker 1: put him on your wall, like you just want to 1723 01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,320 Speaker 1: be reminding yourselves with the greatness that you had together. 1724 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,280 Speaker 1: What a tag team you were inanimate object is amazing. 1725 01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,160 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. Oh God, 1726 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,880 Speaker 1: thanks for jumping on, buddy, and thank you for writing 1727 01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,679 Speaker 1: up some joy love. What a day, what a time 1728 01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:26,080 Speaker 1: to be alive. That was remarkable. The entire thing was remarkable. 1729 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,920 Speaker 1: And this is the only show in the world where 1730 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:33,760 Speaker 1: that that's happenings. Bet your butt, yes the half will 1731 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,439 Speaker 1: you will? Great stuff there and now so much more 1732 01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,840 Speaker 1: to come on this special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily. 1733 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:45,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to CBD on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Cleveland 1734 01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:53,200 Speaker 1: Browns Daily sp N Cleveland Welcome back into this special 1735 01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,560 Speaker 1: edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily here on ESPN. Please, and 1736 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,120 Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed our best of all week long 1737 01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,519 Speaker 1: here on the show. We've enjoyed putting them together. I 1738 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,560 Speaker 1: know nothing Gibby likes more than than spending all the 1739 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,720 Speaker 1: time putting all these things together for you. Also, we 1740 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,519 Speaker 1: hope that you enjoyed it. Um. We will be back 1741 01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,720 Speaker 1: live and in person on Monday on the show. And 1742 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,880 Speaker 1: at that point, GiB A, it is fast track to camp. Yeah, 1743 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,360 Speaker 1: at that point it's July eleven. We've got a couple 1744 01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:23,720 Speaker 1: of weeks. Guys will be back probably about ten days 1745 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,559 Speaker 1: from when we get back, and then the main bulk 1746 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,760 Speaker 1: of the crew back the week after that and we 1747 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,640 Speaker 1: hit the ground running season officially here. Yeah, I mean, 1748 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,680 Speaker 1: it's it's go time at this point. I'm in no 1749 01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,320 Speaker 1: hurry to to speed it along, like enjoy our summer. 1750 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,240 Speaker 1: It feels like the NFL off season is kind of 1751 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,400 Speaker 1: non existent nowadays. There really isn't a safe time to 1752 01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:47,200 Speaker 1: be able to get away. There's constantly news that is churning. Um, 1753 01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,000 Speaker 1: So it'll be good to be able to to get 1754 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,000 Speaker 1: back to the football side of things, and that will 1755 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,720 Speaker 1: start with camp and boy, will there be about a 1756 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,920 Speaker 1: billion questions going into this camp um in terms of 1757 01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,040 Speaker 1: of what this team is gonna look like, how Kevin 1758 01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Stefanski handles all of that. There's gonna be some interesting 1759 01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,120 Speaker 1: position battles. I think the running back receiver rooms are 1760 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,040 Speaker 1: fascinating to watch to see how that shakes out. Very 1761 01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,040 Speaker 1: curious to see who steps up at defensive tackle. That's 1762 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,640 Speaker 1: the kind of the one position where we are going 1763 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,320 Speaker 1: to kind of leave it to the young guys. What 1764 01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,519 Speaker 1: does that look like as we get into camp. I 1765 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,160 Speaker 1: think I think those are the big questions. Can you 1766 01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,080 Speaker 1: stay healthy, um, and then and how do you integrate 1767 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,200 Speaker 1: some of the new faces. Nick Harris in the middle 1768 01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,600 Speaker 1: of the offensive line, how does he step in for j. C. 1769 01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Treader who has done it at such a high, high 1770 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,160 Speaker 1: level going forward? I think I think those are the 1771 01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,479 Speaker 1: big questions, and they will They will be questions that 1772 01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,640 Speaker 1: we start to answer by the time we get to 1773 01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:36,720 Speaker 1: the end of the month, which will just be a 1774 01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,360 Speaker 1: couple of weeks away. By the time we get to it. 1775 01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,600 Speaker 1: My friend, it's crazy. We we said summer needed to 1776 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,960 Speaker 1: slow down, and all it's done is hop on the 1777 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,639 Speaker 1: treadmill and speeds up. It's up to about fifteen miles 1778 01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,800 Speaker 1: per hour right now. It's a full on sprint and 1779 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,360 Speaker 1: you're hanging on for dear life. Yeah, that's it and 1780 01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,519 Speaker 1: it's I mean, no one loves anything more than football 1781 01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,880 Speaker 1: around here. Camp here is so special. We're gonna be 1782 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,519 Speaker 1: there relatively quickly. So we hope you enjoyed these special 1783 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,120 Speaker 1: editions of Cleveland brown Is Daily Again. We will be 1784 01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,680 Speaker 1: back on Monday live here in studio with a live 1785 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 1: version of the program. We're excited to get back to 1786 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,360 Speaker 1: you and kind of start to really turn the page 1787 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,439 Speaker 1: to the two thousand and twenty two season for Jason 1788 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,040 Speaker 1: and for for Gibby. And remember called you Jason before. 1789 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,160 Speaker 1: Never first on this shows up there with a pull 1790 01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,240 Speaker 1: for Jason and Nate. I'm bo the next level is next. 1791 01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening Clean Brown's Daily on ESPN Cleveland. You've 1792 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,479 Speaker 1: been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a production of the 1793 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:32,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns and ESPN eight fifty w k n R