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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to a special episode of It's

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Speaker 1: Up There Podcast, where we have the incredible honor of

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Speaker 1: sitting down with none other than NFL potential Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer and football legend Fred Taylor. Known for its unparalleled talent,

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Speaker 1: explosive speed, and remarkable agility, Fred Taylor's illustrious career has

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Speaker 1: and impeccable skill set. Today, we dive deep into his

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Speaker 1: trials and trivilations that shaped his career. With his passion

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Speaker 1: for the game still burning bright, Fred Taylor one day

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Speaker 1: hopes to be entered and inducted into.

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Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame. Part one of this interview is dynamic.

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Speaker 1: We got into Fred Taylor going pro, what it was

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Speaker 1: like to save his family. We got into the business

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Speaker 1: side of football, the business side of podcasting.

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Speaker 2: And this is just part one.

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Speaker 1: So join us as we embark on an unforgettable conversation

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Speaker 1: with a true icon of the grid ron gaining unprecedented

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Speaker 1: insights into the mind and heart of the potential future

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Welcome to the show, Fred Taylor, I

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Speaker 1: am Big Loan. To speak on this show, you must

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Speaker 1: have the experience. You must be a subject matter expert

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Speaker 1: on whatever it is that you're speaking about. We don't

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Speaker 1: allow people to come and speak that don't have the

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Speaker 1: on elevation and evolving.

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Speaker 2: I go by the name of Big Loan.

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Speaker 1: Today we got an NFL legend, freaking Freddy Tea.

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Speaker 2: What's going on.

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Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out what they call a

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Speaker 3: nigga freaky. Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 4: I could keep that under the raps.

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Speaker 3: It ain't for everybody, right, But I'm still trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out how I get on the show. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, man, But I appreciate you, Dogain

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Speaker 3: and real quick Man, just showing love brother, seeing you

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Speaker 3: from Afar. That's why I said, fuck it, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: jump on. We appreciate it. Bro, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But they're really walking in here, bro and see you

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Speaker 3: a one man game. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't watch a lot of your stuff. The baby

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Speaker 3: when you killed it. Appreciate the baby. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: killed it, but man, just to see how you moving. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I see our production, but I see how you getting

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Speaker 3: it from Bro.

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Speaker 4: Salute. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Bro, because people a lot of people

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Speaker 1: Right, And this why it's a rough road, man like,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're battling in this in this industry with

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Speaker 1: pivot and how you have to start from ground zero.

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Speaker 1: It's a different thing start from ground zero, especially after

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Speaker 1: you done gain traction. So to start over is a

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Speaker 1: up and knowing. Like I had told myself when I

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Speaker 1: ain't got no co hosts, You ain't got none of that.

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Speaker 2: So it's all on you about the topics.

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Speaker 1: It's on you by to understanding the camera, to business,

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Speaker 1: all these things you must understand. I thought wasn't no

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Speaker 4: Let me jump out there real quick.

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Speaker 3: The reason they doing that they see the transparency, They

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Speaker 4: So I think with that that'll carry you and keep

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Speaker 3: But it's the people they get to decide, right, the

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Speaker 3: the messages running with I'm gonna fuck with you how

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, like man, And you know, my homeboys

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Speaker 1: they said, the woo looon shaking it, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, looking Freddy, that nigga.

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Speaker 2: The media, Yeah yeah, yeah, they call me the fairs.

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Speaker 3: I was like, man, we just have a conversations, right, right, And.

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Speaker 1: What is it like going pro?

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Speaker 2: What is that? What does that feel like?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna ask you, because going pro also

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Speaker 3: And that ain't bad, you know what I'm saying, necessarily.

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Speaker 1: But you just ask to be put in position, because

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Speaker 2: I asked you for everybody.

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Speaker 3: So you have people that looked out for you on

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Speaker 2: But for them, it places them. It confuses people.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So I had to learn how to move, right.

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Speaker 3: So I think that gambling with my homeboys, I gave

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we get money.

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Speaker 1: And see the situation with takeoff and again RP takeoff.

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Speaker 2: Coming back down through the jungle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I feel sorry and feel bad that

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Speaker 3: Talking to Fact Joe, we did a peace with him,

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to say I'm a slide over here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but you feel safe there and it

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Speaker 2: Know, but particular life at all count we have.

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Speaker 3: And really I just want to talk to it because

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Speaker 4: But then my exactly what I was fucking with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying, man, it was. It was so hard

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Speaker 4: The Cadillac came through.

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Speaker 2: But somebody technics won't give you. Some of these teams

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Speaker 3: You help though, like guys wanted that, like EJ.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Drin took every snap in Indy and he wanted that.

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Speaker 4: It's where you come from, what you was made then.

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Speaker 2: Because it'd be making warriors of you niggas it does.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's when you don't come from much. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: know what y'all trying to do. These insurance policies. I'm

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Speaker 3: I know, I wanted them to help me, Like who's

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Speaker 3: injuries part of the game. Guys run on the grass,

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Speaker 3: all three rivers. They don't get them injuries. That shit

435
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 3: just happens. It's part of the game exactly, whether they

436
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: run you on the ground or not.

437
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 4: It's part of the game.

438
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 3: But today's football, like we kids and say, it's more

439
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 3: like wwe it ain't the football that.

440
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 4: We knew, right right right, right right right.

441
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: I understands the intergorty of the game is protecting the shield.

442
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 3: It's about monetizing, growing the game, you know, making them

443
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 3: more fan fan friendly, TV deal, Philly friendly. Changing the

444
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: rules to help with the scoring back in the day

445
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 3: was a blowout. How we scoring forty.

446
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: I remember the Ravens had years where it was like

447
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: you would average ten points on them and things like that.

448
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: They change it, but yeah, it's different to help benefit

449
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 3: the players. But the players got to take advantage of

450
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: what's out there. A lot of them don't see it

451
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: right now. They'll see it when they're done. Like even

452
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: with the CBA, they're asking for limited time on the field,

453
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 3: y'all should be asking for guaranteed medical when you're done.

454
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, But I don't think but because they don't

455
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 3: think about it, like right.

456
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 2: About it right now. Even they don't think about it, it's.

457
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: About right now, like we was all there. It's about

458
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: right now, Like what can you do for me right now?

459
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about my future because I feel like

460
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 3: there's money good exactly, This money gonna last me forever. Hell,

461
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: for the matter of fact of the matter is a

462
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 3: lot of guys don't think they can be hurt tomorrow

463
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: and be done.

464
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 4: They hear that average life.

465
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 3: Spanish three years, right, they don't think that's gonna be

466
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 3: them right because I've been playing this game for forever.

467
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm good. Now you can be out. Just like we're

468
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 3: talking about Cadillac. Cadillac should have played ten twelve years.

469
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 3: Yeah it was great, but the game ain't fast. The

470
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 3: game don't they don't pick a choose you know what

471
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like its gonna take advantage of anybody when

472
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 3: it can. So I just think that guys gotta look

473
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: down the road, fight for lifetime medical like the NBA, right,

474
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: you know, from this age from when you're done, carried

475
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: me to sixty five sixty five medicare Medicaid. Then let

476
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: the government take over that right.

477
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 4: But guys don't.

478
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: And it's a.

479
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: Clear difference between the way that the NFL operates and

480
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: the NBA operates. It's like there's there's a very distinguishable

481
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: difference there, and it's like, like you said, certain things,

482
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: it's almost like they take care of their people just

483
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more than the NFL.

484
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what that's about.

485
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: But with that with with with football. Also the difference

486
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion between football and basketball is that I

487
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: do think football, especially for those contact positions like you do,

488
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: it creates this warrior like spirit in you that you

489
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: have to turn on to operate on the field. Do

490
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: you think that like running backs like you are, y'all

491
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: caging something, some kind of beasting the inside like like

492
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean because I be thinking, like because I know me,

493
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: like you know, I have a side where it's like

494
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: if I turn that on, it's rough to turn it off,

495
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like I'm operating in society hoping.

496
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: Don't nobody flip that suit.

497
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 4: The incredible het.

498
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's controlled aggression. Yeah, aggression, you know, so

499
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: you have so many years on it, man, and then

500
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: muscle memory take over, so you can be walking around smiling,

501
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: politeness that you know what I'm saying, being personable, likable, whatever,

502
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: and then some people don't with them assholes. I don't

503
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: understand the guys that do that. I always say, show love.

504
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: I just say, you speak to the lady. You know.

505
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: I do that too. I speak to everybody life.

506
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: I run into some of these artists year, speak to

507
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: the whole squad, cameraman, you know.

508
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 3: You never know, bro, and it's just natural. You know

509
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And that's the upbringing. But some guys

510
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: just assholes with it. But I think as a as

511
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: a professional athlete, you gotta understand that one that's your job.

512
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: That's it like any other ninety five, that's your job.

513
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: Be it's more violent, you know, and it comes with

514
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: what it comes with.

515
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: Because it seems like ray Right, remember the Ray Right situation,

516
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: It was like it almost liked for that second.

517
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like, oh ship, damn. But then

518
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: you couple that with liquor.

519
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm what I'm saying, So that made

520
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: it easy to break that break it down.

521
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: You're in the casino, right, how many things good gonna

522
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: come out of casino situation when you drinking losing money?

523
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 3: Then you're losing money. Think about what that frustration brings.

524
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't condone any domestic viobes.

525
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: Exactly, especially here context.

526
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying outside the academic ship, I like,

527
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 3: did he hit it? But that's like I don't condone

528
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: none of that. But you know, and I don't even

529
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: want to say, but looking at the tape, we so happen, right,

530
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 3: all right? Couple that with what's going on with head injuries,

531
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, being stressed from the game. You ain't gotta

532
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: have no real words in life. It could it could be.

533
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: It could be family pulling you left and right right,

534
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: the job pulling you left and right right. You could

535
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: have got deemed in the head. A lot of stuff

536
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: can happen. You're losing in a casino, you're drinking. All

537
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: this stuff is to split second. Now your career done.

538
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: He didn't even get a second chance.

539
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: They did, so they did. They did X you mount

540
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: ain't seen Ray Rice? Since yeah, way it's Ray y'all.

541
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: Would y'all interview Ray Rice?

542
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: I would love to, ye, Like, we ain't even really thought,

543
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, we just moving and

544
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: that's why it's called the pivot. Really, we just we're

545
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: just moving, like and I know we'll probably talk about

546
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 3: getting to it, but uh, I would. I would absolutely

547
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: love to interview Ray I mean, just just to get

548
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: his side of everything and how that whole night sort

549
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: of came to fruition.

550
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: We don't know, right, because again, like you said, context

551
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: is important, and also you know, if I was to

552
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: ever speak to him, just how did you know stripping

553
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: that from you? They stripped it from you, man, and

554
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: of course warranted seeing the video.

555
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: Was that explicit? Right?

556
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: But looked so bad? But everyone didn't look into it.

557
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: No one looked into it, right, And it's like, I

558
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: know that it's hard to find a reason for that

559
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: to be acceptable because it's not acceptable. But I think

560
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: context is important. We have to examine what is causing

561
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: some of this behavior, right, you know what I mean?

562
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: We get snippets, we're an environment where we get promos, right,

563
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, you get snippets, you won't really,

564
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, uncover the depths of situations, right, so you know, Ray,

565
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 3: you know, anything could happened. We have guys that snap

566
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: and they kill their whole family and they commit suicide.

567
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: It's a lot of different situations out there, man. But

568
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: I think that our game one is about discipline. How

569
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: you can handle that on and off the field, that

570
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 3: can control aggression because football, even though it's not as

571
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: violent as it used to be when.

572
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: We play, it's still a violent sport.

573
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: Yes, they're trying to find a way to commercialize it

574
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: and entertain the masses so they can sustain their business model.

575
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: So that's what it comes down to.

576
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: You talk about the NBA versus the NFL, it's really

577
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 3: the business model. You got fifty three active guys on

578
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: the roster versus you know whatever, the NBA got twelve

579
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: or fifteen or whatever that number is. So at the

580
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: end of the day, it's about sustainability. We gotta coach

581
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: it and move how we move it, and then let

582
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: the people they gonna critique it. They're gonna talk about

583
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: this and that, But that ain't what drive revenues. That

584
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: ain't what drive sponsorship, partnership ad dollars them. People won't

585
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: care about that because it's a multi billion dollar business.

586
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: They know there will never be a shortage of the product.

587
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: You know, we in coming off the pandemic supply and

588
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: demand cargo ships that seat sit ain't get that a

589
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: lot of that ship was manipulated right to create a

590
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: certain demand with inflation getting all the money we got

591
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: people struggling, Yet Apple all these other companies want to

592
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: want to increase they you know what I'm saying, sscriptions

593
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: stress twenty like y'all ain't struggling to people struggling. Same

594
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: thing with sports, you know what I'm saying, They gonna

595
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: pay attention to they bought them, They top in right,

596
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 3: and they don't care about nothing else in between. But

597
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: the beauty about the NFL is you got people going

598
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: back to the beginning of our conversation, we want to

599
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: be there. We want to and we've seen that we

600
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: want to be in that position to make these millions.

601
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: We're playing a game, right, you know what I'm saying,

602
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: Just like we here, we know it's millions out there for.

603
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: And conversation you know what I'm saying.

604
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: So when guys recognize that they're gonna go all in

605
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: to try to get there. The NFL know, it's never

606
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: be a shortage of product, right in this environment with

607
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: YouTube and they gonna satisfy Apple, Amazon, It's conversations out there,

608
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: It's never gonna be a shortage of that. How can

609
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: we wrap our ads and our partners around it so

610
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: we can make money exactly, and we can give them

611
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: less money. We're gonna get less money, but they're gonna

612
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: make money right right.

613
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: Thing with the NFL, right right, right, right, right right.

614
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: And I look at the NFL and they make a

615
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: lot of money. So it's really crazy when you drill

616
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: those numbers down and be like, hold on, you mean

617
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: for this amount of months they generate this match money.

618
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: So they got everything. They hitting you with Jersey's tickets, food, Like,

619
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: it's so.

620
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: Much going on, man, Like.

621
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Speaker 1: I was talking to eighty five South Show, DC and

622
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: all of them, and they told me how they go

623
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: to like minor league baseball games to see the structure

624
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: of the business income. Right, so they selling popcorn? What

625
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: they got shirts? Oh halftime they switch they I bring

626
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: these kind of shirts out and then they got this

627
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: for sale, that for sale. Then it just shows you

628
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: how to structure the business. Speaking of business, I know

629
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: everybody's watching and they want us to get into the

630
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: im athlete situation. Everybody that knows me know that I'm

631
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: about information right as a young black creator moving through

632
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: this space, spending his own money and moving with an impact,

633
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: It's important that I understand and learn from all of

634
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: these situations with you, with all the smoke, with Joe Budden,

635
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: with whoever has been through these scenarios where something has

636
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: seemed to cause the train to get off track. It's

637
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: important for us to digest this information. So the conversation

638
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: is important. B Marshall is my homeboy. We're doing B

639
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: Marshall to maw. Fred Taylor's my homeboy. We're doing Fred

640
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: Taylor today. So we want to get into the IAA

641
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: situation and what happened. Speak to me about the inception

642
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: of that, and it will fast track to some of

643
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: the business.

644
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

645
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: Now I was trying to leave that shit alone, bro,

646
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: but you know what I'm saying, Like it is what

647
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: it is right Like coming into.

648
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: It, we said we can't shit on the people.

649
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: Transparency is shit that's at the top of anything I do.

650
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: The worst thing about that whole situation is when we

651
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: was over there, I call it the old Show.

652
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: When we was over there, we.

653
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: It was something that the culture had never seen and

654
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: coming in the pandemic tough time to everybody. People wanted,

655
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: you know, entertainment information. Everybody was in the house, right,

656
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: And really the worst part about that whole breakup is

657
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: that the message we were sending everybody that here you

658
00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: have for black former professional athletes able to sit down

659
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: in the room have beautiful conversation, you know, about everything

660
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: about life. It was organic, it was ever green, and

661
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: it was real, right, you know what I'm saying. When

662
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: those bullshit, we can hear any subject matter for police

663
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: brutality like this, mental health, y'all really hear everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

664
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: we were running. We was running. We had That was

665
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: April twenty twenty. You know, I remember being March coming

666
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: to the crib. We stayed right round the corner from.

667
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when I went to his house, he was

668
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: telling me like, man, we stayed all over here, and

669
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm like these congrects.

670
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: There was some nice houses.

671
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

672
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: Shout out Rose, Yeah, Rose House over there.

673
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Bailey House was over there, Reggie Wayne, Yeah,

674
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: the Rock.

675
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

676
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: You know, we got a lot of people successful black

677
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: teacher shout out to the influences to.

678
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: That that's able to get out there.

679
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: You ain't getting out there unless you got at least

680
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: five exact better yit crazy, but yeah, just to really

681
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: go back, man, he drove his golf cart over like

682
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 3: early April during the pandemic, hopped out and we talked

683
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: right in front of the garage and I remember like

684
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: it just had it and he was like, yo, bro,

685
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: let just think about podcasts, I said, shad Man, anything

686
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: to get out of the house. But before we do

687
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: anything shit. I like ownership, I like production. And we

688
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: just talked about ownership. That was me and B conversation,

689
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: and we went from there to shooting a podcast. It

690
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: was B Channing, Reggie Wayne, who coached with the Coats now,

691
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: and myself. We didn't even have excuse me, we didn't

692
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: even have like a specific agenda other than conversation about sports,

693
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: the state of sports, the state.

694
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: Of the pandemic. It was the NBA bubble, all that

695
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: different stuff.

696
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: So we were just out there just freestyling and then

697
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: you know, Christina, which was Bee's little pro She was

698
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: the protege, you know, she was like the creative director,

699
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: the camera person.

700
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: She's real brilliant.

701
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: And Christina was like, it should be more of a

702
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 3: lifestyle situation. So she came up with a concept, which

703
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: is what we do now on the pivot. So that

704
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: situation turned into Reggie. Then we had a conversation in

705
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: June of.

706
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: So at this point, is you b Marshall Reggie? Right,

707
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: So four people just forception.

708
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 4: And an inception.

709
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: So we having a conversation about in June, because that

710
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: was in April. We ran like, oh, this might have

711
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: to get some legs, you know what I'm saying. Shit,

712
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: let's let's talk about the business side. Because first it

713
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: was just a thought. It was nothing else. And let's

714
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: talk about the business side. Be sent the be sent

715
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: the one page, Yeah, be sent, be sent the one page,

716
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: you know, offer agreement on one sheet. And he said,

717
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: all right, this is this is the breakdown. We can

718
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: all get in for ownership twenty five you know, equally

719
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: twenty five percent ownership of the podcast or the podcast

720
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 3: the podcast only right, all right, But it was more

721
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't an equity play, but that's ownership.

722
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 4: So that's where it got tricky from the start.

723
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: So it wasn't share, it was a partnership.

724
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: It was See this is a conversation that the young

725
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: creators need to understand partnership versus ownership exactly.

726
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 3: But again going back to what I said a second ago,

727
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 3: my conversations ownership, ownership, that's production company, that's whatever that

728
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: came into play. I'm willing to go dollar for dollar.

729
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: However you want to break it down, let's do that.

730
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: I just needed you to provide transparently the information, Like

731
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: you're like, show me the information, right, Like whatever the breakdown,

732
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: then let's chop.

733
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: Let's go right. And that never happened, you know what

734
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: I'm saying. That never. That never happened never.

735
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: So you never was shown a breakdown. I'm gonna get

736
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: into it. That never happened, right, So we get the

737
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: one sheet and Reggie like, nah, this shit ain't adding up.

738
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: So Reggie was the first person like this ain't this

739
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: ain't adding up? What was he speaking to? Just the

740
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 3: one sheet? It was all rev share. So we didn't

741
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: put the amount of money into it, you know what

742
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm saying, And I don't want to miss quote. It

743
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: was like thirty seven five. The only thing that happened

744
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: at that time from April to June twenty twenty was

745
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: equipment was purchased and then the expenses to produce for production.

746
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: And we just had a minimal production team at the time,

747
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: which was sufficient, right, but.

748
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 4: It wasn't what we grew into what you know what

749
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 4: I'm saying.

750
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: So, and then those people were brandismployees, so he was

751
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: paying them, you know what I'm saying, alongside paying production.

752
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: So but so they weren't getting the max benefit right

753
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: of the day. They just was cool with being a

754
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: part of the team. So it came back out thirty

755
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: seven to five apiece, you know what I'm saying, And

756
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 3: that was that was the initial podcast for rep share

757
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: Ownership for I see I keep.

758
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: Going today because that's where you keep on.

759
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: That's where you hold up equity that ain't insane. Partnership

760
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: versus ownership.

761
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 4: Versus ownership. So Reg was like, nah, I'm good.

762
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: Rege went off the indie to sell a house and

763
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: then when he got back, he wasn't even he didn't

764
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 3: know he was part of the podcast. Still be cut

765
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: them off like that's a rap and then he introduced Ojo.

766
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: So me, I'm on the side, like I got my agenda,

767
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm still getting my talent fee. I'm down for whatever

768
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 3: ownership that I'm down for. I ain't put the thirty

769
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: seven five then, because I knew the difference in equity

770
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 3: ownership and partnership. I'm like, B, whenever you're ready, let

771
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: me know the numbers, the real numbers, and I'm gonna

772
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: meet you halfway.

773
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: For the ownership for the owner that's it.

774
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: So, because that's what was one of my questions was

775
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna be to you, is why why didn't you put

776
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: the initial investment, Because it'll be a different conversation.

777
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: It'll be a totally different conversation. I'm waiting on the numbers.

778
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm waiting on the black and white. Show me what

779
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: you put in.

780
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: Show me.

781
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: So if he was able to show you, if he

782
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: with me your statement.

783
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 3: But because of the rape relationship I thought we had

784
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: like that, that was my mistake because I'm fucking with

785
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: Be like I'm fucking with Plexico on my homeboy school

786
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: Jay of my partner. Any god, rat, I'm fucking with

787
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 3: B like that, just because I'm looking at his face

788
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: and saying Okay, I believe you come from what I

789
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: come from. You stand for what I stand for. You

790
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: of the culture. I hear what you're saying by ownership.

791
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: So I took it as that I ain't think his

792
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: face was gonna be dirty, and I kept telling me

793
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: and I showed you to keep your face clean, bro, Like,

794
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: if we come into this, this is what it is,

795
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: that's what it is. My track record, clean as fuck.

796
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: If we say we got one hundred K to it,

797
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: whether it flopped, I'm gonna give you that bread. So

798
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: if and that's what I got questioned on, if it

799
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: would have flopped for.

800
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: That's my question.

801
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: If it would have any nigga in Miami around his bit,

802
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: niggas in the hood right here over town, Liberty City

803
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 3: down there, Sunday night sixty first them people know I'm good, yeah,

804
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: way back.

805
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: So if it would have flopped and a million dollars

806
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: need to be done, you agreed to that, you scent.

807
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 3: That is gonna run it. I'm gonna run it. That's

808
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: just my face. Niggas know what time it is be

809
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: come back and say, well, if I that's that's his

810
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: defense mechanism. And I ain't shooting at him. Like I said,

811
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: I didn't even really want to talk about right, but

812
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: because I've been questioned on it, got to talk about it.

813
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: But transparency is everything, right.

814
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: So, and it's information in this people.

815
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: So really the information, the big information is button you

816
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: ship up before you make a move of the business.

817
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: Now. I also heard you say the eleven million dollar number.

818
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: That's bullshit.

819
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: Explained that with me, so so B b B listen,

820
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get there. Right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna

821
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: get there. I'm gonna get back to it, going back

822
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: to the equity. B. So let's take it back to Reggie.

823
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: Reggie b fired Reggie basically right. It was like, I'm

824
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: gonna bring on. It was a good look because we

825
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: know bad. Yeah, that was a great it was. It

826
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: was a good move because Reggie was hesitant and was

827
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: kind of decisive, but he peat the ship first.

828
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: We always go back then. We should have.

829
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: Played attention with Reggie was saying, you know, I'm.

830
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: So what did Reggie say? What was he.

831
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: That? Right? The partnership partnershiphip numbers ain't breaking down. But me,

832
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, B can't Brandon can't be that

833
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: much of a savagery that much of us, So you

834
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: stuck around. He ain't gonna be that much of a

835
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: fuck nigga. You know what I'm saying to to He

836
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: ain't gonna try us. So we kept running with it.

837
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: And it was a good thing, you know what I'm saying.

838
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: So all right, bet we're gonna figure it out. Chad come.

839
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: I said, all right, all right, that's a good look,

840
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: you know. And then I didn't understand what him and

841
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: the deal him and Chad had on the back end

842
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: until I got the pay the one sheet that I

843
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: was finnh bring up the one sheet upstairs?

844
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, said that.

845
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: I left it in the car. Yes.

846
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: Necessary. So I saw the breakdown. But Chad doing a

847
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: million things, Chad ain't even focused on the business. Chad

848
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: doing chad thing running. He got a big he taking

849
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: his talent fee. I deferred my talent fee for sweat

850
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: equity into the company.

851
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: That's where it gets slippery for me.

852
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: I took.

853
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: I said, look, my money running alongside whatever money you

854
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: put it in it be my money started from inception

855
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: right alongside it. And then whatever else you need, just

856
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: let me know the number. I pace understand that and

857
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: gets saying that.

858
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: That's what from a business perspective and an information perspective,

859
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: like when I hear this whole im athlete thing happening,

860
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: and I say, okay, I continue to hear something about

861
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: Fred talking ownership, right, That's that's important. He's never denied that.

862
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: He's never tried to say that. Yo, he ain't never

863
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: said nothing that. He's always said that. What he's what

864
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: he more so is saying is that by the time

865
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: you were ready to invest, the business looked different than

866
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: he did at the initial start.

867
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: I was always ready to invest.

868
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: From June of twenty twenty.

869
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: Was there conversation had about the partnership ownership saying, hey, man,

870
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: you know Reggie just left about these numbers, so I

871
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: need for you to button it up up and my

872
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: money's on the way.

873
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: This is the.

874
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: Conversation about partnership ownership, equity versus participation partnership and rev

875
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: sharing right. And his attorney can attest to this essay.

876
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 3: Was his attorney essay, No, the answer, and she says

877
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: she talked to me and I hate the dragon in

878
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: this because she's smart. You know, she's a black successful attorney.

879
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And she did anything for B.

880
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: But she was out at too like a lot of

881
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: you don't see none of the same people around B.

882
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: That's fucked up. That's important, right, But she was his

883
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: attorney right hand right here. Yeah, whatever move made right here,

884
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: even when I came into the building, the paper showed

885
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: March of twenty twenty one, she fought for B. But

886
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 3: they say my ship was worth four percent, right, that's

887
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: what they try to give me. Four percent of everything, right,

888
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: my influence area.

889
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: Four percent of the podcast or the eighth A brand.

890
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no what never h O A was.

891
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: No four percent of the podcast.

892
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: Ho A was never involved in nothing. So that's where

893
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: eleven million come from, right, he said eleven million in it.

894
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: That's how House of Athlete and.

895
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: I can understand that. I can understand.

896
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: Podcast wasn't even discussed as a marketing arm for his gym.

897
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: That ship came into it when he saw the beauty

898
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: of the podcast, and we was like, that don't involve us.

899
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: That's when me and Channing got lost, like so did

900
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: the gym. Chad never made Chad never cared about that,

901
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: so that didn't involve us. So the gym had something

902
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 3: we didn't get any split on none of the gym

903
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: revenue profit.

904
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: Nothing the gym was doing benefited us.

905
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: The podcast benefited at the gym because more players and

906
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: more athletes gonna see us from.

907
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 4: The podcast space.

908
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: They're gonna say, damn, I gotta go fuck with the gym? Now?

909
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: Is there sue with that? Is their issue with you?

910
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: Because in business like you guys are doing now, you're

911
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: using the pivot to not only get other guests based

912
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: on the guests you have, but to get brand deals

913
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: to get to kind of pivot right, And so is

914
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: there an issue with using the podcast kind of to.

915
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: Get more eyeballs on h your way?

916
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: It became that because the presentation we talked at the

917
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: beginning of this presentation, how do you format thing? The

918
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: podcast and the gym was always separate?

919
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 4: You feel me?

920
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: So if we're talking ownership into the podcast and I

921
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: ain't mind putting eyes on the gym, bruh, that's your situation.

922
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna help you run that. I always spoke.

923
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: It's like if you got a shirt for sale, if

924
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: you gotta it's like TA in Nashville, I'm gonna wear

925
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

926
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: I could pivot and that's my guy. TA shut out Tea.

927
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I could, I could have

928
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: wore anything. I wear your shit like whatever. You know

929
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And then I always show love before

930
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: I show lord to my shit. So I spoke highly

931
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: of HOA knowing that was't getting a cut. But when

932
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: it became more about HOA and selling overpriced hoodies, I said,

933
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: hold on, bro, this shit ain't adding up.

934
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 4: I ain't getting nothing.

935
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: When did you make the decision? Was it when Redgie

936
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: Wayne left?

937
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: No? No, no no, Because I trusted that B was

938
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: gonna look at everything, you know, broadly, and I kept

939
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: requesting hard numbers. The one sheet that I got downstairs

940
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: in the crew in the car, it was from March

941
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: eleven or twenty twenty one. By that time we started

942
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: in April or twenty twenty. We didn't have our first

943
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: money talks intil June or twenty twenty. April twenty, I

944
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: mean March or twenty twenty one. They provided a one

945
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: sheet right there. On the one sheet, it shows where

946
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 3: I had a crew fifty one thousand in tweat equity

947
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: through talent fee.

948
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: Okay, right, so.

949
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: That's fifty k they supposed to went back into the

950
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: company whatever that's worth, whatever that.

951
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: And even on at that time, and I screenshot like

952
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: if people whatever at that time be put on hondy.

953
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: K in it.

954
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: So your fifty k versus one hundrey k, right, right.

955
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: But you got to take thirty percent out because that's

956
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: what he gave the producer who's on the pivot now,

957
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: A Z. That's what she gave A Z's company. I mean,

958
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: that's what he gave A Z's company to produce I AA.

959
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 4: He gave her thirty off the rip.

960
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: So you said you have one hundred percent. He had

961
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: seventy to work.

962
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: With, so he had saturny to work with, right, And

963
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: that's the lady you.

964
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: Was just turning out to help get the media ship

965
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: from exactly. Okay, okay, okay.

966
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: If he got seventy, right, he had less than seventy

967
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: because he gave attorney who I was just talking about.

968
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: I found this out in that same meeting that day

969
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: when I got the one, she she had ten percent.

970
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: So they really operated with sixty. So I got a third.

971
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: If he put a hundred and I put and I

972
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: had fifty sweat, that's a third of sixty. So if

973
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: I show you the sheet's said four point three nine percent,

974
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: that don't.

975
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 2: Look like they did. They tell how they come up

976
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: with it? Right, Yeah, my man, Yeah, yeah, it's that.

977
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 4: That's my situation.

978
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: I can't speak for chance and see that's what I

979
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: say for nobody else.

980
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: Shout out, shout out to everybody else.

981
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: Chan took his paper exactly. Chan ain't invest money. Chan

982
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: took his paper. But Chan got a different situation because

983
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: he got creative with He wanted to do a radio show,

984
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: which is what Channing come from.

985
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 4: Right.

986
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: Chan was doing the five day week radio show making

987
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 3: six figures. B wanted to implement that under the I

988
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: m Athlete brand, I am athlete at night. What they

989
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: got going now and the reason I hate to talk

990
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: about it because that's free promo for them. But this

991
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: information is GA information.

992
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

993
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: This This is bigger than me, you B Marshall pivot,

994
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: I am athlete, This is the culture.

995
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: This this for us to learn from. Y'all are y'all

996
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: are a.

997
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Bunch of black millionaire niggas that win and got money

998
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: from football that all of us look like. Damn we

999
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: know they learned business through football. Correct, you see what

1000
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So how do they get there?

1001
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: And and then that happen?

1002
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: So this is bigger than anyone A lot of a

1003
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: lot of the problem is truthfully, I think that if

1004
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 3: we're teaching is that trust. You got trust and transparency.

1005
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like, like, I can't just

1006
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: trust you if you're not translated. Let me see everything,

1007
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: uncover all that ship black and white, ain't no gray, right,

1008
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: And that was the first one state. When you trust,

1009
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: you can out leverage yourself. Just be transparent. That's where

1010
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: the leverage come from. That didn't happen, you know.

1011
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: And so with the show, with the Channing Show, you

1012
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: see b Marshall legain go try had.

1013
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 3: A hundred He had a million dollar deal from Serious

1014
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: for that show, for the radio part of it, right right,

1015
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: he offered Tan the whole chan all right with it

1016
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: it off a Channed three hundred k that ticket and

1017
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 3: Channing doing all the work five days a week. It

1018
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: was gonna be really Channing show. What's the breakdown? See

1019
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: what's the fucking breakdown? So that's my issue. That's why

1020
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: Channing Jump Ship. Channing been doing the radio show for

1021
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: ten plus years with his company. All he got was

1022
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: a twenty five thousand dollars raise for uncertainty, some shit

1023
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: that we winging on the prayer, you feel me? So,

1024
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: how you expect that man to leave his ship? Well

1025
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: he been good for ten years to go over here

1026
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: for something that ain't no where's the sustainability?

1027
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 4: And all you're giving is a twenty five thousand dollars raise.

1028
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: Now if it's just the bust down after taxes, you

1029
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: got seven hundred and fifty k to work with, you know, saying,

1030
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: once you pay Uncle sat right, seven hundred k, right

1031
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: to work with?

1032
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: Once you pay uncle sayd right.

1033
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: Why y'all couldn't go three fifty three fifty ain't no expenses?

1034
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: You got the ship set up, you know what I'm saying.

1035
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 3: You got the camera set up. You're in a stationary spot.

1036
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 3: You go cut edit the shit a bust down. Maybe

1037
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 3: fifty K for the year to expense the editing.

1038
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: It ain't even a big ticket. So give him the

1039
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 4: top end.

1040
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: You get the broker fee for having that relationship with

1041
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: serious and that's solid.

1042
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 4: That's the fucking problem, you know.

1043
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: So he was he was more so trying to be

1044
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: like I'm producer of this show versus this is your show.

1045
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: If he was the producer.

1046
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: Just like a lot of stuff he's doing right now, right,

1047
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: a lot of shit he's doing right now came from

1048
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 3: our producer. With im NASCAR, with all of that shit,

1049
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: it came from our producer. She had the relationship. How

1050
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 3: you think her thirty percent came into play that she

1051
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: got asked out about And I ain't gonna get into

1052
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: her personal business because she got some shit going on.

1053
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: But a lot of stuff with the touring, the road map.

1054
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: Every company got to have a road map, right, even yes, yes,

1055
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: we got to have outlooks and right people say, well,

1056
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: y'all ain't touring yet when you're like year one, that

1057
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: one in the plan exactly the tour.

1058
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: We'll get to it.

1059
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: But that went in the plans. But he had his

1060
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: run where he said they gonna copy this too. That

1061
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: was funny, Yes, but that came from what you think

1062
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: that came from. It was a road map created from

1063
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: our people when we was together.

1064
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: Over there to be on tour at this time around

1065
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: this correct.

1066
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: So what they try to do is get out in

1067
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: front of us and then make it look like they

1068
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 3: did it. First, but from the Training Count show to

1069
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: all these other different shows.

1070
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: That was her creative thought.

1071
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: Now be his.

1072
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: Creative Yeah hear yeah, he's created The entrepreneur spirit in

1073
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: him is his biggest flaw.

1074
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 4: Right.

1075
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 3: You have to understand people, right if you want to

1076
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: be an entrepreneur. It's a couple of different ways to

1077
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: go by.

1078
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: You can shop on.

1079
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 3: People, which is pretty much been this method, or you

1080
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: can cultivate and develop those relationships. With partnerships, they inspire

1081
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: people to go harder for you. That's that's my my approach.

1082
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: I'm aligned with people where I can just talk to

1083
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: him to try to motivate them to go get it

1084
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: for all of us, right, Or I can ship, I

1085
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 3: can shoot on him and say, you know what, y'all.

1086
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: Work for me, but okay, so let me this.

1087
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: But they ain't really a boss man.

1088
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: You look at Rose Rose, Line everybody up for sure.

1089
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: I'm the biggest boss.

1090
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm line because in this game there's a lot of talking.

1091
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: You know, people do a lot of talking, but that's

1092
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: to put people in position.

1093
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 4: You gotta position.

1094
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: Going back to what we just talked about, if you

1095
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: start with a group I understand his mentality is.

1096
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 4: And I've heard it.

1097
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 3: I got you know, I got ship on the phone

1098
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 3: that speak to it. You wanna he said, you want

1099
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: to uh uh higher higher slow and fire fast or

1100
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: higher fast? Whatever the fuck you say? Bro, How you're slow,

1101
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: how you're fast? How you're slow fire fast? Is what

1102
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: he say?

1103
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

1104
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: He want to vet the people he bringing in and

1105
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: then fire them when they're not in line with his vision? Like,

1106
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: it's crazy that I got a lot of people that

1107
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: was sucking with him over that would just send us

1108
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 3: stuff we wouldn't ask for it. People we sustain relationships

1109
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: with would say, man, this dude tripping. It's the narcissistem.

1110
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: So they soon beat him up on here. But I'm

1111
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: gonna speak my truth. Yeah, and I speak to him tomorrow,

1112
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: so he gonna get Nobody can ever really go talk

1113
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: to to say I'm fucked up?

1114
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Nobody.

1115
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what is it worth to

1116
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: come up with that idea and pull up on you

1117
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: on the golf cart? What what if if in your mind?

1118
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: What is that worth right there? That initial of the company.

1119
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: So if I bring you the idea right pulling over

1120
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: there in my golf. Not if If that's one hundred

1121
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: percent in your mind, that's because I'm asking the same

1122
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: exact question, right, right, what is it worth to create

1123
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: that idea and initiate that process?

1124
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: What in your mind is that worth.

1125
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: Outside of talent, outside of production feed, outside of production percentage,

1126
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: just that piece of it, that one piece.

1127
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: Bro, we come We don't come from money, but we

1128
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: made a lot of money, right, so we know what

1129
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: that's like. I done got fucked over by agents and

1130
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: financial advisors, so I don't figure out how to move

1131
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: through that. At the end of the day, all that

1132
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: shit come down to integrity. What your face looked like.

1133
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: If I say I fuck with you, I fuck with you.

1134
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 3: If I can't fuck with you, like like, if I

1135
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: can't fuck with you on some joke shit, on some

1136
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: fuck around ship, then I ain't fucking right.

1137
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 4: I know, I know our space, you know what I'm saying.

1138
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 3: So really, when he pulled up, I took that as

1139
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: I he value me because he came to me. You

1140
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. He could have win anybody exactly,

1141
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: but he value me exactly. So in response to that,

1142
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you that same love and return. I

1143
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: ain't fucking around, Like what you thought of me is

1144
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna think of you. And that's our leverage, right,

1145
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: That's that's the distance between us. Ain't no amount of money.

1146
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: We're gonna run this shit out. And that's just how

1147
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: I always been. But when shit got to a point

1148
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: where you know, when you're narissistic, right, and that's how

1149
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: you operate, and when you can talk down on people,

1150
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean from from just walking in the building one

1151
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: day and not really filling up to it and saying

1152
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: fuck it, one, two.

1153
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 4: Three, y'all fire out of here. This is real life.

1154
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: This ain't me and his situation. This is everything.

1155
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, And I can even go

1156
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 3: a step further, but here you'll talk to him, you

1157
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, and whatever y'all talk about, that's

1158
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 3: what y'all talk about. But from a uh, you're trying

1159
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,959
Speaker 3: to get out in front of everything and make.

1160
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 4: Us look like shit.

1161
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: Really, it's so much exposure that they can bring to you,

1162
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: bro that I almost feel like the motherfucker fanst if

1163
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: I did it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, and

1164
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: that ain't my space.

1165
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the the.

1166
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: Employees can talk to it. The people he's been in

1167
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 3: partnership can talk to it. It's really easier. People want

1168
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: to take the time and just fucking look around. Who's

1169
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: still there? You know what I'm saying. I fucked with

1170
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: pac Man Heavy pack Man. I've always fucked with Shady Heavy,

1171
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 3: but then they got.

1172
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: I funck without them. Would you sit down with benas too?

1173
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: Past them?

1174
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 4: Yeah? It past that. And I hear people talk about

1175
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 4: what y'all was doing for the culture. I get it.

1176
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: We still can do that for the culture. Like me,

1177
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: Ryan and Can. I understand what their vulnerability is. I

1178
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 3: understand their integrity and what they're about. You know where

1179
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: they come from. Them good dudes. They solid ain't nobody

1180
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: trying to fuck nobody. Let's figure this out, you.

1181
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying?

1182
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: Well that, yeah, hand and we learned from the exactly

1183
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 3: we learned from.

1184
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: And y'all also came in knowing that there's a there's

1185
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: there's a pot here, there's something here that's true.

1186
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: Y'all didn't know that.

1187
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 3: We didn't know that with Big, but that that's that's

1188
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: the that's the the the rope that you give each other.

1189
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: You can hang me or I can hang right, trust

1190
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: that that's a trust right, So that ain't happen.

1191
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to figure out what from.

1192
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: Its fucked up? It comes from fuckery.

1193
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: Like what you know is that a talent? So based

1194
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: on the talent is that you take a picture, bro

1195
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: and send it back to you. And I ain't.

1196
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 4: Man, Look, I'm.

1197
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: Gonna ask him. I'm gonna ask him four percent number the.

1198
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: Math fucked up. I've been chilling. I was trying. I

1199
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: ain't really care about you know, the message he delivered.

1200
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: You know, when it started hitting close to me and

1201
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: hearing close to the house, you know, I I I

1202
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: started questioning his real integrity, you know, and he said

1203
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: he played chess, not checkers, and he did a lot

1204
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: of other ship that ain't uh people wouldn't do. You

1205
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I understand business. You have your

1206
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: business disagreement.

1207
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: I get it.

1208
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: But when you run it and on to the personal

1209
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 3: side of things get slippery. That's when it gets slippery.

1210
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: But he would always say, you know, this same business.

1211
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 3: For me, this is personal. That's how hard I believe

1212
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: in doing what I'm doing. But that's the first mistake.

1213
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: If you're trying to grow your business, your gym, the podcast.

1214
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: You know, however, that come with the merge with this,

1215
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: that and that. That's still business that ain't personal.

1216
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: But I gotta push it back.

1217
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 4: I gotta between the two.

1218
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: I got to push back a little bit because we

1219
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: just spoke about that competitive nature that that especially like

1220
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: you had when you went on the field where you

1221
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: would that's that competitiveness can lend itself to some personal.

1222
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: Like almost like it's personal.

1223
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: When you football, right in the pros, you knew that

1224
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 3: if the team meeting started at eight o'clock, you were

1225
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: gonna be there. If you was theret aight oh five,

1226
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: you knew what consequences come with that for sure. Same

1227
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 3: with competition, Right, this is the outcome if I step

1228
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: outside the box when I'm competing, Right, I'm gonna try this, nigga,

1229
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: and see what response I get.

1230
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: And you can't control what response you get.

1231
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: You can't control that, but you can control if you're

1232
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 3: gonna try that exactly exactly.

1233
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: So that's what I believe it came down to.

1234
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: So let's so let's bag it up.

1235
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: So Reggie Wayne leaves, you recognized then it damn Reggie

1236
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: peeping something.

1237
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna stay around. It was really seen.

1238
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 4: Channing said.

1239
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: Reggie Been called that shit out. Channing always said that

1240
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 3: to this day. You know what I'm saying, Channer, say that, man, Reggie.

1241
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 3: Reggie Been said that Ship and me having some hit

1242
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: Street would be being neighbors would be. But we lived, man,

1243
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 3: if I can't, we lived probably about Ship six hundred

1244
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: yards from me.

1245
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 4: Tell you just left right in the same neighborhood.

1246
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 3: So now, knowing what he was going through, knowing my

1247
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: homeboy that was affiliated with him, you know what I'm saying. I,

1248
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 3: knowing he was younger than me, I gave him a pass,

1249
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 3: and I gave him a you know, I gave him

1250
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 3: the writer first refusal, like I'm gonna trust you to

1251
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 3: this extent. But like I said, when he came to

1252
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 3: the crib, I felt like he valued me as the

1253
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: big dog, as the big homie. Yes, so I said,

1254
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 3: I'm a fuck with him out of trust, you know,

1255
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 3: be I just need we let's talk about part ownership

1256
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: ownership in the production company.

1257
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 4: How that look? You know what I'm saying.

1258
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 2: And you said your money was there? Ready?

1259
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 4: What my money was all ways?

1260
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: There alongside the sweat because the sweat whatever the money was,

1261
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: the sweat was already in the bag because I ain't

1262
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: never take no chest and that's.

1263
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: What gets slipper read for me.

1264
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 3: But I feel you that's what That's why if we

1265
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: start and then if we really started talking about money

1266
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 3: in June or twenty twenty, I got documentation, that's when

1267
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: we start.

1268
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 4: They sent two sheet.

1269
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: We started talking about it, but it was all rep sharing, right,

1270
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 3: talk about Netflix, Amazon and if they selled it. Everything

1271
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 3: was that on that sheet. But it was all rev

1272
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: sharing and merchandise fifty to fifty all that. So if

1273
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 3: we're talking then about that, I feel like we could

1274
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 3: talk about anything, right. And my whole thing from June

1275
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: to June was show me solid numbers. The response was

1276
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 3: I can't. And even on the sheet I got downstairs,

1277
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: that one sheet projection twenty twenty one projection. They had projections,

1278
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: talk about the projected sponsorship, right, you know everybody that

1279
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: was involved, but.

1280
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: I could never get tho stops.

1281
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: There was no number on it.

1282
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: Because of the ship I have went through in my

1283
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 3: career and investments. I said, no, I need transparence, I

1284
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: need full disclosure, transparency, black and white. Show me the

1285
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: numbers bro, all that other shit don't matter. Don't show

1286
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 3: me no future projections. Show me a motherfucking p and L.

1287
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 3: This is the profit, this is the loss, this is

1288
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 3: what's assets to us, and these are the liabilities and expenses.

1289
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: Break that down that's come with a startup valuation, whatever

1290
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 3: multiple it is. Let's get to that number and I'm

1291
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: gonna run with you always. You know.

1292
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: I told him that, Yeah, he'd be saying it.

1293
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: I told him, so, how did the meeting that he

1294
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 1: says you missed? What happened with the with the missed meeting?

1295
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: And I want to thank everyone to watch Part one

1296
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: of Fred Taylor. This in to Part one of Fred Taylor.

1297
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: It's dynamic interview on this up there podcast. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. And Part two, Man,

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Speaker 1: we really get into the IMA athlete breakup. He really

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Speaker 1: goes deep into contracts, one sheets. We try to verify

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Speaker 1: what it is and what it means to be an

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Speaker 1: athlete and navigate the media landscape. Some of the things

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Speaker 1: that I felt with shots that came from the pivot

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Speaker 1: we got into Fred Taylor was no holes barred. So

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Speaker 1: it was a great conversation. If you enjoy Part one

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Speaker 1: and you want to see part two without the ads.

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Speaker 1: You want to see Part two right now. It comes

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Speaker 1: out Monday on Patreon, and next week sometime it'll be

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Speaker 1: out on YouTube with ads. Nonetheless, I want to thank

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Speaker 1: everyone that supports me. Patreon dot com, it's up. The

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Speaker 1: podcast website is loading. Hit the DM about merch Man.

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Speaker 1: We're just hustling. We hustling this thing, and we lucky.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody. This tune Inn taped in. We got

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Speaker 1: a long way to go, but you're dealing with the

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Speaker 1: biggest podcast in his I see you next week.