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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, might Kaiser White beyond that helicopter, Kelvin Beecham,

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Speaker 1: Office Automation, We're just getting right into what is going

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Speaker 1: Wait on my bingo card. It took Darren thirty seven

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Speaker 1: He mentioned my age, Paul, it is a difference. You're right,

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Speaker 1: all right. How was the birthday celebration? By the way,

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Speaker 1: was it a birthday polos? A weekend? How'd it go?

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Speaker 1: about that. I know. Shame no bottle services next year.

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Speaker 1: That's that's at your complex. Yes, you know, you know

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Speaker 1: and just added to Darren's combine expense tab. You know,

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Speaker 1: They barely would have noticed an accounting, all right. The

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Speaker 1: three card money, yes, question, the three card money. Who

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Speaker 1: do we have? Well, I mean the Cardinals agreed with

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Speaker 1: they brought back running back Corey Clement on a one

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Speaker 1: But a prator had a good year last year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: not like those ten guys that are free agents were

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Speaker 1: and Paul, you're talking about Zach Allen signed with the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: out that number after he's signed that he attacked. His

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Speaker 1: He was right there with the best defensive alignment in

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Speaker 1: I understand why this team was hesitant to give him

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Speaker 1: and it's a It's a great deal for Zach Allen,

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Speaker 1: How much of it was playing next to JJ Watt.

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Speaker 1: But there's Vance Joseph. I'm guessing pounding this table in

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Speaker 1: That has me wondering if someone like a buyer Murphy

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Speaker 1: on it, Darren, should a deal have been done way

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Speaker 1: going to test the market. Should a deal have been

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Speaker 1: was there even contact? Was there even an offer? And honestly,

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Speaker 1: the point where a Byron Murphy and or a Zach

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Speaker 1: Allen is fielding big money because it just takes one team.

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Speaker 1: And the Cardinals found that out with Christian Kirk, They

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Speaker 1: found that out with Klais Campbell once upon a time, right,

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Speaker 1: the open market. So I'd love to ask Monti Austin Ford.

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Speaker 1: But what it does do is with no JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: side and be your left guard. And look, they ran

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Speaker 1: Josh Jones of Kelvin Beacham last training camp. That competition

431
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Speaker 1: didn't last very long. So reminded me the old A

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Speaker 1: Q Shipley days. They bringing these young centers, they go

433
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Speaker 1: at Q Shipley and then by the red white scrimmage,

434
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: guess what. AQ Shipley had already won the job handily.

435
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Speaker 1: And so to your point, Darren, is a best case scenario.

436
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Speaker 1: Josh Jones, he's your starting right tackle at twenty five,

437
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Speaker 1: twenty six years of age, and he gets that contractor extension. Yeah,

438
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: that'd be great, but he hasn't proven to be that

439
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: guy on the right side. And if he is that guy,

440
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: then guess what. Kelvin Beecham actually has played more snaps

441
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Speaker 1: at left tackle in his career than right tackle, as

442
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: he reminded everyone when he filled in in a pinch

443
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Speaker 1: towards the end of last season forget what Gama was

444
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Speaker 1: and I asked him something about how it was it

445
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Speaker 1: to play left tackle, and he kind of scoffed. He said,

446
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Speaker 1: that's home for me, that's you. I spent the first

447
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Speaker 1: seven years of my career at left tackle, so he

448
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: would be a great veteran swing tackle backup. I think

449
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: the ideal scenario if he had a young guy at

450
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Speaker 1: right tackle, like a Josh Jones. Now I ask for

451
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Speaker 1: whether Josh Jones might some I'll be your left guard.

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Speaker 1: You know, we brought that up at the end of

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Speaker 1: last season, did we not. We talked about that at

454
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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground sort of a semi hot take. Now it's

455
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Speaker 1: getting in a little action thing is in twenty twenty one,

456
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: they tried him at right guard. He wasn't a very

457
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Speaker 1: effective guard, Josh Jones. Whether it's because he's six seven

458
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Speaker 1: or not, I don't know. But I did ask a

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Speaker 1: few coaches towards the end of last season before everyone

460
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Speaker 1: went through separate ways for their thoughts on Josh Jones

461
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Speaker 1: the left guard, and I gotta speaking lukewarm. I got

462
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Speaker 1: a lot of m I think he's a tackle, and

463
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: that may be very well true, But at the same time,

464
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Speaker 1: it's now it's the same thing. I've had a couple

465
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Speaker 1: of people reach out to me out there in the

466
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Speaker 1: world and say, you know, what are the Cardinals going

467
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Speaker 1: to do on here? What are they going to do there? Well,

468
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: I'll be honest for me, it's it's a hard hard

469
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: to know right now because I don't know how Monty

470
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: Asinfort is going to approach free agency in the draft exactly.

471
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Speaker 1: I don't know how Jonathan Gannon and his staff are

472
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Speaker 1: going to approach what's going on on the field, whether

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Speaker 1: it be on the offensive line or what scheme they're

474
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Speaker 1: playing defensively, or where Isaiah Simmons might play or all

475
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Speaker 1: that stuff. So you know that's going to be part

476
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Speaker 1: of the issue here. To me is that there's going

477
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Speaker 1: to be a little mystery. So unless they really open up,

478
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Speaker 1: which I do not anticipate that happening, we're gonna there's

479
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of wait and see exactly how

480
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Speaker 1: some of this plays out because we don't know how

481
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Speaker 1: the new regime is going to like to do things

482
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Speaker 1: real quick. I don't want you guys to get too excited,

483
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: but the Colts have made a trade. It's just with

484
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for a twenty twenty three fifth round pick

485
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Speaker 1: for a cornerback and stuff on Gilmore. You had me, Sorry,

486
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: you had me for about two point three seconds. You

487
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: did have me. I'll be honest. I saw it over

488
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Speaker 1: the TV over as I'm sitting here talking, so I

489
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Speaker 1: didn't know. Oh, I'm not watching TV because I'm paying

490
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: attention to all clearly I'm looking at the alerts. But

491
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Speaker 1: any who, as this roster evolves, Marcus Golden no longer

492
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Speaker 1: in Arizona Cardinal am I Z surprised, not surprised, not surprised.

493
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I said that on the last podcast.

494
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Speaker 1: I mean it, Marcus Golden was much more effective as

495
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Speaker 1: your number two, given it was Chandler Jones opposite of him,

496
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Speaker 1: But it just didn't work out the same way when

497
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: he was your lead edge rusher, your veteran presence. This year,

498
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: he had two sacks, and I know it's more than

499
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: just the sacks, but that pressure just wasn't there. The

500
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals couldn't generate it for whatever reason last season. So

501
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't really surprise me. You have those younger players,

502
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: whether or not you're going to keep Cam Thomas or

503
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Speaker 1: move him around. You have my j Sanders, it makes

504
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Speaker 1: sense to me to bring in a veteran presence, and

505
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Speaker 1: when you look at the business side, maybe you can

506
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Speaker 1: bring in two veteran edge rushers as opposed to one

507
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: and keeping Marcus and trying to change things up. And

508
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 1: it's also about what this defense is going to look like.

509
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Speaker 1: I know, at one of the press conferences last week, Darren,

510
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Speaker 1: you asked Jonathan Gannon of a three four verses of

511
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Speaker 1: four three and how that will probably look very different

512
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Speaker 1: than what the Cardinals defense had looked like under Vance

513
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: Joseph and Gannon saying that pretty much not answering you,

514
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Speaker 1: but it's just going to be fluid and they're going

515
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Speaker 1: to evolve and change and be ready writing you think,

516
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: kind of deal. But maybe as this new coaching staff

517
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: is going through evaluations, maybe it just didn't feel like

518
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Speaker 1: Marcus would have been the best fit for that. But

519
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: that that's a bummer. I mean, like selfishly, that's what

520
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: a great personality and presence and energy every single day

521
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: that he brought. It's far from an exact science. In fact,

522
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I should turn this into an analytics

523
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: how many times you get your name called during the

524
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Speaker 1: game by Dave Pash. For example, you had Zach Allen

525
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: over the first five or six games, how many times

526
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: was he this close to a sack? Right, Zach Allen

527
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: seemingly just having his name called repeatedly by Passion Wolfter

528
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Speaker 1: in the radio broadcast. Marcus Golden would go entire games

529
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Speaker 1: and not have his name called. Yeah, it just it

530
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: just didn't seem to be in on a lot of plays. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't Marcus's best year. I think he

532
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Speaker 1: would acknowledge that. And it was a tough. It was

533
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: tough all the way. I missed most most of training

534
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Speaker 1: camp with the toe injury, and he was upset about

535
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: his contract, and there was just there was a lot,

536
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: there was a lot there that it never quite clicked.

537
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, his motor hasn't stopped, but the explosiveness wasn't

538
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Speaker 1: there how you needed it. So outgoes Marcus Golden. Incomes

539
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: Kaiser White, the inside linebacker from the Eagles. And speaking

540
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Speaker 1: of four to three, do we now have our inside

541
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Speaker 1: linebackers in the four three? Do you now have between

542
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins, Isaiah Simmons and Kaiser White? Possible? Possible? I

543
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: mean again, when we sit here and we talk about this,

544
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: and this is exactly what I was mentioning, Like, Isaiah

545
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: Simmons is a great example of Okay, what exactly are

546
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: we expecting from Isaiah Simmons? Is he going to play safety?

547
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: Is he going to be a linebacker? What are they

548
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: going to do with him? Does this defensive coaching staff

549
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: really like him? Do they think he's gonna fit? I

550
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: mean Isaiah Simmons on a bigger picture. I mean, they've

551
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: got to figure out if they're going to do the

552
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: fifth year option for next year, and they're gonna have

553
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: to make that decision with very little time outside on

554
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: the field. And is it early May or later in May?

555
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: I think it's May first is the deadline, so it's

556
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: not later May. That's pretty eerily well. Hey, I tried

557
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: the last time Jonathan Gannon met the media when they

558
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: were introducing the assistance, I asked him, do you know

559
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: which position room Isaiah Simmons is going to be in?

560
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Started his career in the linebacker room for the Cardinal,

561
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: spent this last year in the safety room and trained

562
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: with the DBS in the individual portion of practice. And

563
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: I asked that question, and of course they said TBD

564
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: to be determined. I'm fascinated to know if he's still

565
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: going to be kind of the jack of all trades

566
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: guy or if if he's going to end up focusing

567
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Speaker 1: one spot. I just it's still remarkable to me, is it.

568
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Speaker 1: You know, as skilled an athlete as he is and

569
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: as much of a unicorn as he is at times,

570
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: but he played the highest percentage of his snaps last

571
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Speaker 1: season at slot corner. That is still mystifying. Well for me,

572
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Speaker 1: that had I think that had more to do with

573
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Speaker 1: getting the quote unquote best eleven on the field and

574
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: a lack of cornerback depth more than anything. That's what

575
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: I think. But that's foul, no question. So Kaiser White

576
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: comes over from the Eagles, played last season and last

577
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Speaker 1: season only in Philly. Four Jonathan Gannon. Before that, he

578
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: was with the Chargers. He was a fourth round pick

579
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Speaker 1: out of West Virginia twenty nineteen. He's actually a converted safety.

580
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: He's six two, two thirty four, but he was a

581
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Speaker 1: college safety. The moment they drafted him, they wanted to

582
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Speaker 1: make him a linebacker, a will linebacker. They did twenty

583
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Speaker 1: twenty one. He had a spectacular year for the Chargers.

584
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Speaker 1: He had a team high one hundred and forty four tackles,

585
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: He had two picks, He started all seventeen games, yet

586
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: didn't get a big money offer, nothing in earnest from

587
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Speaker 1: the team that drafted him, the Chargers, and then he

588
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: spent some time on the open market, ended up signing

589
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: a one year, three year, three million guaranteed deal with

590
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Speaker 1: the Eagles. I don't know if he got more in

591
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: incentives because he had one hundred and ten tackle last

592
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: year or the Eagles. But I mean, if it wasn't

593
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: for that, you know, two teams given up on them,

594
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the fact that is DC in

595
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Philly is now the Cardinal's head coach and knows him

596
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 1: very well, I might raise an eyebrow. Well, and as

597
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: linebackers coach is now DC with the Cardinals. Correct, You're right,

598
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: And so look, we talked about this with Drew Stanton

599
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: last week on the Red Sea Report. Is Kaiser White

600
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: that guy comes in who teaches the defensive system to

601
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the Cardinal's locker room. There's almost always

602
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: and you can go back, there's oftentimes you get familiar

603
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: face and it's not like a superstar face, but it's

604
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: somebody who the coaches are comfortable and yeah, it's a

605
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: kind of a coach on the field. Absolutely. That seems

606
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Speaker 1: to happen every time there's a new coaching staff. Yeah,

607
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: it looks like Kaiser White might be that guy. So

608
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: do you look over here on the screen. Moments ago

609
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: on ESPN, the topic for the talking heads was which

610
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: teams should trade for deand Ray Hopkins. Surprise that hasn't

611
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: happened soon? Or do you think they're gonna this would

612
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: be more to happen around the draft. To me, that

613
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: it's going to happen more on the draft. Don't you think?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would think that that's something that happens

615
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: certainly not right away in free agency unless unless somebody's like, Okay,

616
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 1: we gotta get this wide receiver. Free agent group is terrible,

617
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: it's not great. Well, now that Jacoby Myers, he was Vegas, right,

618
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Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, Ye, are there any other big not that

619
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: maybe anywhere as big as hop to begin with, but

620
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: other free agent wide receivers out there? That that's why,

621
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: to me would make you know more. To me, Lazard

622
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: is better than Jacoby Myers. But that tells you if

623
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: we're having this argument over who's better, who's the top

624
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver available? Alan Lazard or Jacoby Myers. I think

625
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: we both have signed, right, well, they both have signed,

626
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I still, no matter what you want

627
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: to say about hop he's head and shoulders above both those, right.

628
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Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm agreeing with you that I think

629
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Speaker 1: something will happen closer to the draft. At this point. Well,

630
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: it's it's bad podcasting for all three of us to agree,

631
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: but I will say that I agree with you guys

632
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: that the supply is low on wide receivers this year,

633
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: both veteran free agents and the draft. Right, you guys

634
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: are the combine. This is not considered a strong year

635
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: for wide receivers in the draft, right, And the ones

636
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: that are at the top of the list, a lot

637
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: of them are more They're either shorter or they're not bulky, like,

638
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: they're thinner. And that's that's what the Cardinals already have. Yeah,

639
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: so think about it. When we started the off season,

640
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Speaker 1: I now, I went on my rant you should be

641
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: able to get a low first round pick for DeAndre Hopkins,

642
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: and then we had we had to sort of revise

643
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: things and say, Okay, you're at least getting in a

644
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: second round, and then some people were skeptical about that. No,

645
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm drawing the line at round two just based on

646
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: the fact that this year's draft stinks. This year's collection

647
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: of free age and wide receivers not good. So just

648
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: based on that the lack of quality out there, I

649
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: don't care. DeAndre Hopkins is going to play next season

650
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: at age thirty one. I think you should be able

651
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: to get a round two pick for DeAndre Hopkins. And

652
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: you know what, the deal might already be done. That's

653
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: true too, because it turns out the Hollywood Brown deal

654
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: was done late last August. As we found out later

655
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: from Steve Kime. That deal was done between Kime and

656
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Eric da Costa. The Ravens GM and da Costa swore

657
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: Kime to silence because he's like, look, if everyone knows

658
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: I traded away my top wide receiver, people are going

659
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: to realize who I'm targeting in the draft. Wait late August,

660
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: late January, I say, August, I was yeah, no, wonder

661
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Danny looks so confused or more confused than usual. When

662
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking, I usually get that quizzical look. Late January

663
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: a year ago, I don't know where August came from.

664
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: They got the deal done and then he had to

665
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: sit on it for three months until late April for

666
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: the draft because it can't be a tell for the

667
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: rest of the teams when you're on the board and so, hey,

668
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: there might already be a deal done for DeAndre Hopkins.

669
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: We have no idea. Well, and it's it's entry interesting

670
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: because when DeAndre Hopkins was on with a Pat mc

671
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: fee show last week that he he basically said, I'm

672
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: not going to be making any news and we'll see

673
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: what happens and all that stuff. And I wonder a

674
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: little bit sometimes if if hop knows a little something,

675
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: and maybe he doesn't. I mean, that's the other thing

676
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: is you don't on a trade, you don't have to

677
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: tell the player ahead of time. I mean you could,

678
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: you could if you're the two gms, could keep it

679
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: in their back pocket the team that's getting them. There's

680
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: no reason why he'd want it out there for what

681
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: like the reason you're just saying. And I could understand

682
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: why the Cardinals will be okay with now. The thing

683
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: about hop is is he looking for a new deal

684
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: at the same time he's being traded. That would be

685
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: the qualifier to your statement. In this case, you got

686
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: to get a deal done with DeAndre Hopkins, right, So

687
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: in that case, hop would know his destination. Well, so

688
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it's done ahead of time. The fact

689
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: he's training in the Dallas area, what does that tell us?

690
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: Either A lots of players train in the death like

691
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: think of all the players that train out here in Arizona.

692
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Saying there's three possibilities. One, you're you know, oh yeah,

693
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: so many players hang in the Dallas area and training.

694
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: Two he's already been traded to the Cowboys and he's

695
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: just making he's finding a place to stay. Or three

696
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: he's trying to speak it into existence. The Cowboys have

697
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: they just redid Michael Gallup's deal, and they have Ceedee Lamb,

698
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: and they have other I just don't know if that

699
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: would be the right fit. Well, what did Jerry say recently? Though?

700
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones said that it was a mistake trading away

701
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: at Maury Cooper and they need to bolster that room.

702
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: So that to me sounded like an ob j kind

703
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: of comment. But maybe I don't know because I'm not

704
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: in the loop down there anymore. Paul let's make that

705
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: quite clear. But I think that what could bode well

706
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. One last point is it's been made

707
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: clear by Hopkins. We saw it and hard knocks he

708
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: wants to make that push for a Hall of Fame ballot.

709
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: So even though he doesn't necessarily get a say in

710
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: the trade anymore because that clause is void, I would

711
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: think that he's going to try and really push to

712
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: go to a team that is close in his eyes,

713
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: at least this early on, which would mean the Cardinals

714
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: should get good stuff for him. And if it's a

715
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: high profile team like the Cows that has the max

716
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: amount of national TV games, oh, that's even better for

717
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame bid. That you're not playing an anonymity, right.

718
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: So here's the teams I have in the list right now,

719
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: our working list for DeAndre Hopkins. The Giants who part

720
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: of ways with Kenny Galladay. I know they just did

721
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: the deal for Darren Waller. They need a number one receiver.

722
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: The Browns are all over DeAndre Hopkins. They want to

723
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: reunite him with Deshaun Watson. And then you have New England,

724
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: especially now losing Jacoby Myers to the Raiders, and the

725
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: affinity between Belichick and dehop I know Bill O'Brien's on

726
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: the staff, that could be a problem. And then you

727
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: have the Baltimore's Kansas City supposedly as interest in adding

728
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: to the receiver room. And does anybody have a worse

729
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: collection or receivers than the Tennessee Titans. So if they

730
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: still have designs on competing in that division, they should

731
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: considering that division. The issues that I have with those is, Okay,

732
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: what else am I getting decides the second round pick?

733
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Because I don't want to I'm not getting a late

734
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: second round pick, and that's what those Although most of

735
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: those teams, except for the Browns, if we're talking about

736
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: late second round picks, take a starting guard and a

737
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: second round pick something like that. You never know what

738
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: might be in place. But once again, I'm just saying,

739
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: the free agent marker market is thinner on receivers than

740
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: I realized, and then we've come to realize after the

741
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: combine the receiver group isn't that great either. So I

742
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: just think that works and bodes well for the Cardinals

743
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: and trying to maximize value on Dean Ray Hopkins, who

744
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: I do not believe will be a member of the

745
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals roster once they get beyond the draft, So we'll

746
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: see about that. What else do you expect to happen

747
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: into the near future? Anything? I mean, what should be next?

748
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: I guess is the question, Darren, Go ahead and and

749
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: play armchair GM here. Yeah, I mean, we're not expecting

750
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: any big money, big splash signings. We're just not not

751
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: where the Cardinals are. They're not one or two pieces away.

752
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense with that

753
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: in mind, I'm guessing. I mean, you have to address

754
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: the defensive front, right, and cornerback and cornerback, yes, absolutely, yep,

755
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: so that, oh, that's not it, but those are the

756
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: top three, especially offensive line right now, interior offensive line.

757
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: Look what the forty nine ers just did, right and

758
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: getting Javon Hargrave from the Eagles. I saw that. Draymond

759
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: who's that? It's the Seahawks got from the Broncos a

760
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, Draymond Jones, I think, and anyway, I saw

761
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: him ranked as in one top one hundred ranking a

762
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: free agents, a top ten player overall and under the

763
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: radar defensive tackle. So just look at the division alone

764
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: in the talent on the defensive line, including ninety nine

765
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: in LA And yeah, you got to address interior offensive

766
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: line in a big way. A free agent center would

767
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: have been nice, someone in the range of twenty six

768
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: twenty seven years of age. But Ethan post he resigned

769
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: with the Browns. Now, what about it? Nick Harris, who

770
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: was the starter in Cleveland went down in the preseason.

771
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: Postic ended up being the starter. Showed real well, he

772
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: got resigned. He's now the future in Cleveland. What about

773
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: the former starter, Nick Harris? Could he be out there?

774
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: And a possibility for the Cardinals at center possible? You know,

775
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: I saw a report that said Ryan Kelly might get

776
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: cut from the Colts. They can't find a trade partner

777
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: because his contract is so onerous. I mean, there's no

778
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: way they're gonna be able to trade him. I just can't. So,

779
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: And then keep in mind, that's a great observation because

780
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: Clayton Adams, the Cardinals do offensive line coach, comes from

781
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Indianapolis tight ends coach last year twenty twenty one, the

782
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: assistant offensive line coach. So you'd have to think that

783
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: Ryan Kelly is on the Cardinals radar and could come

784
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: in and be that leader of the offensive line, because

785
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: you know, as Kyle Vanabosh talked about, you can get

786
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: the next great college center, but to plug him in

787
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: from day one really tough, really tough to be a

788
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: rookie center from David, although there's been a handful of

789
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: guys that have done it recently. Linderbaum, right, Linderbaum. U Um,

790
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: oh god, I just had another name in my head.

791
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: Of course, this isn't Creed Humphrey, Creed Humphrey. The thing

792
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: is Ryan Kelly, which we are just talking about. I mean,

793
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: it can be done. So and look, this isn't a

794
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: team with designs in competing for the Souper Bowl this year.

795
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: So if you have a rookie center and everyone's gonna

796
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: learn trial by fire and you're gonna learn on the job,

797
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: well so be it. I think that's what this season

798
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: is going to be all about. Well a lot of ways.

799
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: If that's the case, we'll see a Smith. He might

800
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: get a shot. Absolutely, there's no doubt in training camp

801
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: he's gonna get reps at center. I still see him

802
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: as a swing, reserve, interior offensive lineman. I don't know

803
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: if necessarily contends this year to be a starter. Maybe

804
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: says does Marquise Hayes have a shot Marquis Hays. That's

805
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: that's a great question. That's what I'm here for, Paul,

806
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: great questions. Was he Now, are you kind of piggybacked

807
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: off my original point? So let's not just forget about that. No,

808
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget about it. If there's one guy on

809
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: that offensive line who piqued the curiosity, Markiss Hays, who

810
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: started four or five six different fights. I'm serious, he

811
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: had some nasty in him. I thought you were going

812
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: to say games. I was like, off, No, he never

813
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: made it out all because he one of the ones

814
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: with JJ he got. Yes, he also got into it

815
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: with Lecky Foe to at one point, I'm trying to

816
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: remember all the guys he mixed it up with. Who

817
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: was it back him? And there I think led Better

818
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: he got into a Jonathan led Better. Was it Was

819
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: it a meat injury? Yes? I believe so, but I

820
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: don't call me on that. Okay. So he was the

821
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: seventh rounder, yes, and noe Marquise Noe Marquise Brown. Yes,

822
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: he I didn't follow that at all. And he at

823
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: the end of Mark Kes, at the end of Marquis

824
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: Mark Mars Brown saying like no, like the letter yea,

825
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying. I didn't know what you

826
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: were saying. Okay, gotcha, Okay, he is a massive dude,

827
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: and uh he's got a lot of nasty to him.

828
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: They said his feet were they I mean, they were

829
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: really impressed by him and so previous previous group. If

830
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: you're looking for a sleeper coming out of Cardinals camp,

831
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: you heard it on March fifteenth. Here Marquis's he's the

832
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: seventh rounder last year from my mouth, not Danny boy Um.

833
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: By the way, the the Corey Clement signed, give me

834
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: a word on that. Where do you think the Cardinals

835
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: are at running back? That's a fascinating question. I mean,

836
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: especially with Chase Edmonds out there, Yeah, Jason's out there.

837
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think they're gonna need another

838
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: body or they got what Kante Ingram and James Connor

839
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: and now Clement another body or three? Well, yeah, obviously

840
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: in the off seat, and you're gonna have a bunch

841
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: of them. I will say this, I don't I'm not

842
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: saying this necessarily about running back, but it's been in

843
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years since there's been an undrafted rookie

844
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: that has had an impact on this roster. I'm thinking

845
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: this year we could see one. I don't know if

846
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: it's a running back, but I just thought i'd throw

847
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: it out there. I remember is the second last game

848
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: last year at Atlanta and they're starting running back the

849
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: rookie at a BYU. Yeah, Tyler l Gear. Yeah, fifth rounder,

850
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: a former linebacker for BYU. They're like, where did they

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Speaker 1: find this guy? He was a beast to tackle. He

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Speaker 1: was a life you gotta scour, you know. This is

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Speaker 1: where I think, maybe, like a Dave Sears comes in

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Speaker 1: the assistant GM, you gotta they're out there those day

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Speaker 1: three running backs to come in and make an instant impact.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's exactly why everybody says don't pay running backs,

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Speaker 1: because you mean you yeah, that's what I would say.

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Speaker 1: That's why Austin Ekeler was told, yes, you can seek

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Speaker 1: a trade move on. It's why Chase Edmonds just got

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Speaker 1: cut after just getting his one big contract. Look. I

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Speaker 1: feel for the running backs, I really really do. But

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Speaker 1: the reality is is you can find them out there,

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Speaker 1: and because of how everybody looks at running backs, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take something to find somebody good in the fifth

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Speaker 1: round or sixth round or seventh round or even undrafted.

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Speaker 1: You can do it. That's that's straight out of It's

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Speaker 1: straight out of the water, boy, is it not. You

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Speaker 1: can do it, Yeah, straight out of it. That's right

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Speaker 1: out of the meme right there. Oh my gosh. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just thinking that with Maniasavard and Dave

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Speaker 1: Sears and what's going to be out there. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a flurry of signings

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Speaker 1: of just veterans on one year deals as you see

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Speaker 1: what sort of impact you can make in this draft.

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Speaker 1: You get those sort of good building block guys to

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Speaker 1: fill the holes on the roster, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: then and then we'll see. Now, in terms of the

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00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: comp picks for everyone who missed that, Cardinals got extra

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Speaker 1: aware got three, So they got an extra third round

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00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: pick for losing Christian Kirk, they got an extra fifth

881
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: round pick for losing Chandler Jones, they got an extra

882
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Speaker 1: sixth round pick for losing Chase Edmonds, and as we've mentioned,

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Speaker 1: he got traded and then cut, so so they got

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Speaker 1: eight total draft picks. So they got one in the first,

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Speaker 1: one in the second, one in the third, or two

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Speaker 1: in the third, one in the fourth, one in the

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Speaker 1: fifth because they traded their original fifth round pick, they'll

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Speaker 1: have two in the sixth and none in the seventh. Gotcha,

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00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: which I love. Please almost got a jinx and say,

890
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: are we going to be done early? But I think

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00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: it's too soon to make that comment right now? No

892
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Speaker 1: seventh round picks? Please wait? So wait a minute. Once again,

893
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Speaker 1: there's no seventh round currently. They traded their's for Trey

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Speaker 1: von Mullin. Gotcha, that's right. They traded their seventh for

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Speaker 1: Trey von Mullin. They traded their fifth for Cody Ford.

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Speaker 1: They got the fifth back with Chandler Jones. So they

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Speaker 1: got a one or two, two threes, a four, five,

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Speaker 1: and two sixes. Gotcha? Okay, all right, well there you go.

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Speaker 1: Anything else, Danny? Oh yeah. One of the things we

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Speaker 1: have to remind everybody that new episode of Flight Plan

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Speaker 1: is premiering Wednesday at seven pm. This one's gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: This one is all about what we've been talking about.

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00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: Really covers combine and draft in a lot of these

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Speaker 1: new hirings, and an inside look of what that weekend

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis entailed, and moving forward, getting to know the coordinator

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Speaker 1: is a little better. So the first episode is already

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Speaker 1: out website, Cardinal's official YouTube channel. The second one air's

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Speaker 1: premiers Wednesday, seven pm, again on the website and Cardinal's

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. I'm guessing we might see the two of you,

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Speaker 1: considering you were in Indie and maybe conducting some of

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Speaker 1: these infany for sure. I don't know about me. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you'll see my face but my voice.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, just got an alert the cornerback from Eagles

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Speaker 1: James Bradberry, who I don't know if he was officially tied,

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Speaker 1: but people thought maybe would come to the Cardinals, reportedly

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Speaker 1: returning to the Eagles on a three year thirty eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars with twenty million guaranteed. Hello. Yeah, well he

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Speaker 1: was on a one year deal, was he not? So

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Speaker 1: he was looking to get paid. He's setting himself up,

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Speaker 1: So there you go. That's interesting, by the way, speaking

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Speaker 1: a corner or some about the fact that the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals will play against Patrick Peterson for the third straight season.

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Speaker 1: About that one, love Patrick Pete. Oh. The only question

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Speaker 1: out Darren is are you taking Thursday and Friday off

925
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Speaker 1: to strap on the college hoops feedbag? For March Madness.

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Speaker 1: Are you that guy? We know your affinity for basketball.

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Speaker 1: There is a good chance that I the iPad will

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Speaker 1: be running that in the background. But I absolutely cannot

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Speaker 1: afford to be taking any days off right now. There's

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Speaker 1: there's too much going on, and I am by myself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you really need to buckle down with your work. I

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Speaker 1: would say it's good. I just think dany welcome. It's

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Speaker 1: that kind of you know, validation that that's good. I

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Speaker 1: actually it's more of a directive really than anything. And

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Speaker 1: that'll do it here. I mean, you know, if they

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Speaker 1: can make vegan rec's, it just somehow came up on

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Speaker 1: my feet. First of all, do you know they make

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Speaker 1: vegan reces. If they can do that, then we can

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Speaker 1: talk what is Reese's pieces or what Reese That's a

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Speaker 1: good conversation. I would say it's I would say Reese's

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Speaker 1: peanut butter cause but Rec's piece like yo, see, yes,

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Speaker 1: you would like I would say, like like pecans, but

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Speaker 1: like I could see like pecan pie. There you go totally,

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Speaker 1: there's no Rec's anything. That's just you being lazy. It's

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Speaker 1: a double long ee that's what it is. Yes, he

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