WEBVTT - The Protocol 

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<v Speaker 1>It's just before midnight on February twenty eighth, twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>The enhanced athletes are staying at a hotel in Abu

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<v Speaker 1>Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates. That's where they're spending

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<v Speaker 1>the months leading up to the games training and taking

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<v Speaker 1>their performance enhancing drugs. The first time the alarms go off,

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<v Speaker 1>Megan Romano's up in her room with her girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't night when it started, like when shit hit

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<v Speaker 2>the fan.

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<v Speaker 3>It was definitely at night.

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<v Speaker 2>You get like this alarm and it sounds like crazy loud.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Ray Ben Proud and his girlfriend, Emily Barclay, she's

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<v Speaker 1>also a swimmer with enhanced They just wrapped around in

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<v Speaker 1>medical testing at a nearby hospital, just walked back into

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel.

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<v Speaker 5>Suddenly this really aggressive alarm goes off on off phone,

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<v Speaker 5>and then two seconds later we hear these pops outside

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<v Speaker 5>just outside a window, and we opened the curtains and

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<v Speaker 5>there's these lines of smoke going up into this little

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<v Speaker 5>ball of ball of smoke right in front of that window.

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<v Speaker 5>So we checked the news and saw that UAE was

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<v Speaker 5>you know, had been fired up by Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier that day. The United States and Israel conducted their

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<v Speaker 1>first round of military strikes against Iran. Hours later, Irun

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<v Speaker 1>launched retaliatory missiles at various US allies in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 4>The Ministry of Defense of the UAE says the United

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<v Speaker 4>Emirates was subjected today to a brazen attack with Iranian

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<v Speaker 4>ballistic missiles.

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<v Speaker 6>This is an unprecedented attack by Iran on what it

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<v Speaker 6>says are US military targets across Gulf nations.

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<v Speaker 5>So basically where I am when my hotel room is

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<v Speaker 5>if you look out straight about ten out this way

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<v Speaker 5>is the US Al Dafra base, which is where these

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<v Speaker 5>rockets are heading to. And so we are literally just

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<v Speaker 5>caught in the crossfires of whatever's going on. And then

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<v Speaker 5>that's curious as we look out the window and we

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<v Speaker 5>see these three rockets just launch from across the water here,

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<v Speaker 5>and that sets the panic. And so at that point

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<v Speaker 5>we get ourselves into bathroom, we hunker down for a bit,

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<v Speaker 5>and we just ye, we let our bodies settle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from Florida, so I've been through like crazy thunderstorms.

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<v Speaker 2>It just sounds like the loudest thunder I think I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard. We're like the windows were shat like shaking.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounded like the missile like landed on my balcony.

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<v Speaker 1>At least one of the enhanced athletes, Andregovov from Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got plenty of experience with war, so other athletes

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<v Speaker 1>been included. They turn it him.

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<v Speaker 5>We kind of stick Andre and we're just trusting what

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<v Speaker 5>he says, and he kind of knows how to handle it.

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<v Speaker 1>What was Andrea's like sort of advice to you.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, finding the hard concrete walls and places away

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<v Speaker 5>from windows, you know, no glass around you. He was

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<v Speaker 5>basically scouting this hotel to find safe places. He was,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, telling us to keep our passports in hand

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<v Speaker 5>just in case of evacuations. And he gave us money,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, just in case.

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically, Andrea's handing out us dollars he knows in active

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<v Speaker 1>war zones, as infrastructure collapses, digital transfers stop processing. Same

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<v Speaker 1>goes for ATMs in situations like this, the more cash

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<v Speaker 1>you got, the safer you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hope it doesn't get worse, because like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting woken up every night on the dot. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it is with Iran, but like they're like

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<v Speaker 2>at four point thirty on the Dot and then like

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<v Speaker 2>seven and the boom are getting louder. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing too, is like if we're on these enhancements, like

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter if we're on enhancements. If we're not

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<v Speaker 2>getting proper sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>From Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts, this is superhuman. I'm Chris

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<v Speaker 1>guy Amali. A month before those first missile strikes, I

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<v Speaker 1>visited the enhanced athletes in Abu Dhabi. They're staying at

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<v Speaker 1>what used to be a recreational military base for the

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<v Speaker 1>UAE Armed Forces. These days, it's a luxury hotel called

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<v Speaker 1>Earth without the A. There's a big fancy gym, but

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<v Speaker 1>the enhanced weightlifting team is working out in a small

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<v Speaker 1>converted weighting area where weight stations are set up. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're listening to Bad Bunny right now. And for

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<v Speaker 1>the swimmers, of course a pool. Andre and Ben are

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<v Speaker 1>in the water yacking at the other side of the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben looks it's much bigger than last time. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>huge fancy cafeteria here, also a private beach, paddle courts,

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<v Speaker 1>and an enormous soccer pitch. The guy who designed Earth

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to resemble a falcon in flight, and weirdly,

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<v Speaker 1>it absolutely does. Most of the Enhanced team was living

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<v Speaker 1>and training there, just a twenty minute drive from the

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<v Speaker 1>medical facility where the athletes got their drugs and were

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<v Speaker 1>subsequently studied. One of the chief doctors overseeing the Enhanced

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<v Speaker 1>study is doctor Guido Pilis, a cardiologist. He told me,

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<v Speaker 1>because athletes using performance enhancing drugs are almost always doing

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<v Speaker 1>so in secrecy, that means no doctors, no help determining

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<v Speaker 1>the right dosages, no guidance on how long to use them.

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<v Speaker 1>For what he and Enhanced are seeking. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>goldilocks of these particular drugs, the perfect dosage that delivers

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<v Speaker 1>tangible results without the long term negative consequences. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>this necessary, here's doctor Pelis.

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<v Speaker 7>Firstly, it's because we have very little data. Although everyone

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<v Speaker 7>has an opinion about enhancement and athletes, this is not

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<v Speaker 7>fully backed up as signs, I have to say. But

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<v Speaker 7>if you compare what we have in science to other areas,

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<v Speaker 7>then we haven't done our homework. And that's why really welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>I take his point. Why he'd want to actually study

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<v Speaker 1>how steroids work on relatively healthy populations if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to use them effectively and safely. We should know that,

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<v Speaker 1>and if there is an effective dosage for healthy people,

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<v Speaker 1>we should know what that is.

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<v Speaker 7>Drug sit will be taken.

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<v Speaker 1>What I keep thinking about, what about the athletes competing

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<v Speaker 1>in the Enhanced Games who aren't participating in the study.

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<v Speaker 1>As a rule, enhance isn't making anyone stick to a

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<v Speaker 1>particular drug regimen, Nor are they testing for which drugs

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<v Speaker 1>non participating athletes may have taken. So are the athletes

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<v Speaker 1>who are outside of it? Are you guys testing them

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<v Speaker 1>too for the stuff that's banned? No, we're not, Max

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<v Speaker 1>Martin again, CEO of Enhanced.

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<v Speaker 8>Look of the approaches. The law is the law, and

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<v Speaker 8>adults are our adults, and within what the law is

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<v Speaker 8>an adults should be able to take a decision for

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<v Speaker 8>themselves and what they want and want not to do.

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<v Speaker 8>We are not the law enforcement agency. So similarly to

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<v Speaker 8>whether we could test them whether they are taking a

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<v Speaker 8>substance like tremblone, where do you draw the line? Right,

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<v Speaker 8>We are not going to test the athletes and whether

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<v Speaker 8>they're taking cocaine, whether they're taking you know, whether they're

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<v Speaker 8>smoking weed in a jurisdiction, whether they're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 8>be smoking weed. That is the law enforcement job. That's

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<v Speaker 8>not our job.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something here that makes me feel I don't know nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>Enhances working so hard to assure us that their studies

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<v Speaker 1>the drugs are prescribing that it's all safe. But theoretically

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<v Speaker 1>anyone competing in the games could be taking anything they want,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they're participating in the study. Basically, enhances

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<v Speaker 1>relying on an honor system.

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<v Speaker 8>What we are looking to do is have the athletes

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<v Speaker 8>disclose to us and represent to us that truthfully what

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<v Speaker 8>they're taking, and then with testing them to figure out

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<v Speaker 8>whether they're healthy and safe to compete so that there's

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<v Speaker 8>no abuse of legal substances, right, because even if a

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<v Speaker 8>substance is legal, you can still abuse it to make

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<v Speaker 8>it unhealthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Something you might be wondering, why is Abu Dhabi where

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<v Speaker 1>enhancedent their athletes Anyway, I asked Max that very question

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<v Speaker 1>to start. The laws and regulations about the drug part

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this are a lot more laxed there

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<v Speaker 1>compared to the US. Plus, according to Enhanced, Abu Dhabi

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<v Speaker 1>is particularly interested in this specific study identifying the pros

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<v Speaker 1>and cons of performance enhancing drugs. The UAE tends to

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<v Speaker 1>do this, spend a lot of money on or host big,

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<v Speaker 1>splashy sporting events. They own more than one pro soccer team,

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<v Speaker 1>and they spend billions on huge turnout sports like UFC

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<v Speaker 1>and Formula one. The general vibe of what Enhances up

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<v Speaker 1>to totally in their bag of tricks. Labs of doctors

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<v Speaker 1>are set up in Abu Dhabi to consult directly with

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<v Speaker 1>athletes under their drug use and track whatever side effects

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<v Speaker 1>they experience.

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<v Speaker 8>We look at imagings of their brains, their organs, their heart,

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<v Speaker 8>We do testing of their blood. They's aliva, the urine,

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<v Speaker 8>and all of these things impact what kind of recommendation

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<v Speaker 8>athletes gets for a protocols.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a reminder the protocols, what enhance calls, each regimen

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<v Speaker 1>for their athletes, everyone's specific cocktail of drugs. Max says.

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<v Speaker 1>The point of collecting all this data is to help enhance,

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<v Speaker 1>package safe, and affect the programs for everyone else. The

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<v Speaker 1>people actually buy their performance enhancing drugs from them, and

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<v Speaker 1>what specifically are the drugs Megan Ben and the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the Enhanced crew are using. That's a million dollar question,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe even the billion dollar question considering who Enhanced

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<v Speaker 1>investors are to be sure. At first we were told

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<v Speaker 1>no problem, we'd have total access to everything, the drugs, dosing,

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<v Speaker 1>the types of needles, all of it. Over time though,

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<v Speaker 1>they've gone bit more buttoned up. In fact, they've explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>told the athletes they can't disclose what they're being given.

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<v Speaker 1>What Max has said is they're not trying out anything

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<v Speaker 1>new or experimental. Rather, they're working within the parameters of

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<v Speaker 1>what's already considered a performance enhancing drug to figure out basically,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the limits of what a person can take

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<v Speaker 1>where the good the benefits outweigh the bad the side effects.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, the drugs all fall into one of four

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<v Speaker 1>main categories.

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<v Speaker 8>One are anabolic steroids, which includes like testosterone. Then there

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<v Speaker 8>are metabolgodulators, say for example, meldonium, which is a substance

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<v Speaker 8>that helps you with your energy efficiency and improves your endurance.

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<v Speaker 8>Then there are regulated peptides, so peptides that are already.

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<v Speaker 1>Approved approved by the FDA he means, the Food and

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<v Speaker 1>Drug Administration, not the ones that you.

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<v Speaker 8>Know people are buying from China. And then last these

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<v Speaker 8>stimulants like adoro and medefinite, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so a lot of drugs to help us wrap

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<v Speaker 1>our heads around Max's four groups. My producer Sam calls

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<v Speaker 1>up doctor Katie Rizzoni. She's in sports medicine and orthopedics,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically focused on NCUBA athletes, so college athletes plus pro

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<v Speaker 1>level and world champion athletes too. Max said, the first

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<v Speaker 1>group of drugs are steroids, and so Sam starts with

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<v Speaker 1>the basics.

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<v Speaker 9>What is a steroid?

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<v Speaker 6>Basically, a steroid is going to mimic hormonal pathways.

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<v Speaker 7>In the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty quickly, the basics get a complicated, but doctor Rizzoni says, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>it's lab made to sasterone.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it?

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<v Speaker 1>And what does it?

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<v Speaker 9>What does it do to the the to the body.

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<v Speaker 6>It's gonna make it easier to build muscle mass. Therefore

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<v Speaker 6>you're going to be stronger. Were people using steroids in

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<v Speaker 6>those days?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, some used them, some didn't use I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>very hot always did you take for example? Steroid use

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<v Speaker 1>has historically been common in the bodybuilding community. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five, Arnold Schwarzenegger was grilled about steroids on

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<v Speaker 1>David Letterman.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you ever use them yourself?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, in addition to making you stronger, doctor Riizoni says,

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<v Speaker 1>steroid seem to quicken recovery.

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<v Speaker 6>As an athlete, you could train longer and harder and

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<v Speaker 6>that damage right. Anytime you train, you break muscle, you

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<v Speaker 6>chair muscle, you break bone, and so it helps those

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<v Speaker 6>to heal back faster.

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<v Speaker 1>And with millions of dollars in sponsorships, salaries, and ticket

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<v Speaker 1>sales on the line, the faster athletes swing back, the better.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's drug group one. Drug two on Max's list

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<v Speaker 1>metabolic modulators, basically drugs that change how your body makes, uses,

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<v Speaker 1>or saves energy. Usually they're prescribed for people with heart

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<v Speaker 1>problems or diabetes.

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<v Speaker 6>So like athletes will give themselves insolent, like what a

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<v Speaker 6>diabetic would you, because you're trying to get sugar or

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<v Speaker 6>glucose into your cells so that your cells can have

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<v Speaker 6>more fuel to do things.

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<v Speaker 1>Another group on Max's list stimulants. These you probably.

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<v Speaker 6>Know things like adderall retolin. Caffeine is a stimulant.

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<v Speaker 1>Stimulants raise your heart and breathing rate. They make you

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<v Speaker 1>feel more alert, more confident.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, there's a reason that in the eighties there

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<v Speaker 6>was a lot of athletes ahead of cocaine.

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<v Speaker 4>Problem.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a stimulant, you know, I mean it probably does

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<v Speaker 6>enhance performance. It helps with attention, it helps with energy.

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<v Speaker 6>You probably feel less pain. You're able to push through

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<v Speaker 6>pain barriers, or you will probably push your mental barriers.

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<v Speaker 1>Famous example soccer player Diego Maradona, who at the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty four World Cup tests a positive for, among

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<v Speaker 1>other things, phaedrin.

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<v Speaker 5>But subsequently was revealed to be a cocktail of five

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<v Speaker 5>different fan substances.

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<v Speaker 1>For what it's worth, Maradona denied it to the end.

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<v Speaker 4>I have given fee for the opportunity to reconsider their

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<v Speaker 4>decision because I believe it to be totally unjust. I

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<v Speaker 4>have suffered a lot on my own and I promised

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<v Speaker 4>my daughters I would not cry. I'm not crying.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, peptides, the kinds of peptides the athletes are using.

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<v Speaker 1>They're supposed to help with recovery and hormone production. We

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<v Speaker 1>think we don't really know what they do, Doctor Katie Rizzoni.

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<v Speaker 6>Again, peptides are kind of like they're made up of

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<v Speaker 6>amino acids. Amino Acids are like the building blocks of proteins.

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<v Speaker 6>You need proteins to get stronger, you need proteins for recovery.

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<v Speaker 6>Proteins are essential to high performance, so theoretically they could

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<v Speaker 6>be filling in deficiencies that could help with overall performance

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<v Speaker 6>and elite athletes when they are training. Then I think

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<v Speaker 6>that's why people are interested in them, but we don't well,

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<v Speaker 6>we haven't proven that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing about peptides, doctor Rizzoni says, they're still pretty

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<v Speaker 1>new on the performance enhancing scene. They're easy to get,

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<v Speaker 1>but what they actually do, we're still working that part out.

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<v Speaker 6>They probably have influence on inflammation, cell recovery, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>muscle masks, so I don't know if they'd necessarily proven

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<v Speaker 6>then in humans yet, but those theoretically could.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the benefits either way. Most peptides are banned in

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<v Speaker 1>conventional sport, in part because using them seems unfair against

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit of sport, as IOC and WATA often say,

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<v Speaker 1>but also because we really don't know how safe they are.

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<v Speaker 1>After the war breaks out, our communication with the enhanced

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<v Speaker 1>athletes training in Abu Dhabi grows understandably sporadic. But what

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean about how it's going over there. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>picturing chaos conson alerts, the rumbles and booms of an

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<v Speaker 1>in missiles.

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<v Speaker 9>But after the initial shock wears off, things for Team

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<v Speaker 9>Enhanced grow a bit well boring. Originally, the athlete's enhancement

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<v Speaker 9>protocol was meant to last for about twelve weeks. Now

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<v Speaker 9>that day keeps getting pushed back. No one knows exactly why,

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<v Speaker 9>and the athletes are growing antsy. Something's up, Megan Romano again.

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<v Speaker 2>And no one's really sure like what it is. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we're waiting on a signature. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even think it's the missiles or the war that's

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<v Speaker 2>like lagging. I think is Oh, you don't think so?

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<v Speaker 3>That was my theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, because before the war even started,

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<v Speaker 2>we were still waiting on something, Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just like a lot of parts that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about that's happening behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 9>Megan says. The athletes keep thinking they're about to officially

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<v Speaker 9>begin their drug protocols, but when that day comes, they

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<v Speaker 9>just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they tell us now, like you're getting them

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday, you're getting them on Monday, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>believe it. I'm like, okay, until like the needle's like

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<v Speaker 2>end my ass, Like I don't believe shit.

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<v Speaker 9>Later, in a press conference, CEO Max Martin says the

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<v Speaker 9>delays are because of the war in part, but also

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<v Speaker 9>he says there's just everyday bureaucracy stuff to deal with,

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<v Speaker 9>too red tape for the athletes, though it feels like

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<v Speaker 9>it's taking forever.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, with all the frustration that was going on in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of delays and waiting and you know, uncertainty, we

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<v Speaker 5>were so focused on those emotions rather than the emotions

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<v Speaker 5>of what we're about to get into. So it kind

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<v Speaker 5>of just it came as a big shock in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of it came really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>On March twelve, about two weeks after those drone strikes

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<v Speaker 1>you heard earlier in the episode, and just eight weeks

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<v Speaker 1>before they needed to be back in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>the athletes find out that for real, this time, they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to start the protocol. The next morning, it hit

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<v Speaker 1>me like a train.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, shit, this is this is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Prowd's feeling anxious. His girlfriend Emily is already asleep,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it's probably too late to reach out to

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<v Speaker 1>any of his other teammates too.

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<v Speaker 5>And there was no one will wait for me to

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<v Speaker 5>talk to. I just I called my brother and I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, Oliver, I'm terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver reminds him, it's okay. They've already talked this over,

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<v Speaker 1>prepared for this exact feeling.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I was always going to feel like this.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, to the world, I retired in September, tenth

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<v Speaker 5>of September. But to me, I don't retire until take

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<v Speaker 5>that injection. In reality, nothing has stopping me from turning

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<v Speaker 5>back and going back to my normal life until I

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<v Speaker 5>start the protocol, you know, until I inject myself as

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<v Speaker 5>something that I'm not allowed to inject with.

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<v Speaker 1>The athletes spend the next day in a waiting room

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<v Speaker 1>at the hospital. One by one, they're caught up by name,

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<v Speaker 1>taken to another room.

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<v Speaker 5>You go in, and about ten minutes later you come

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<v Speaker 5>back and you are an enhanced athlete. And so for

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<v Speaker 5>every person who came back with I'd be like a

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<v Speaker 5>big cheer and like, you know, congratations, like a big moment.

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<v Speaker 5>Most of them were like buzzing and excited and like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, this is you know, officially enhanced. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>that was the thing that everyone was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben, though he's not buzzing. For him, this moment is

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to his entire career in clean sport.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I just wanted to be, you know, not

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<v Speaker 5>hanging my head in Shane. But I was like, I

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<v Speaker 5>just I just want to be alone with Emily, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I just want to Yeah, the emotions at

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<v Speaker 5>the time, but just got the better of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to stop here for a second and explain something.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't actually know what any of the enhanced athletes

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<v Speaker 1>are taking the details of their protocol. Sure, we know

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<v Speaker 1>the four categories of drugs, but that's it. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons I went to Abu Dhabi in the first

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<v Speaker 1>place was to spend time in the room where it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be with the athletes when they found

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<v Speaker 1>out the ingredients for their individual cocktails, the specific list

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<v Speaker 1>of drugs. I wanted to see the injections, watch how

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<v Speaker 1>it worked. And for months en Hans said, yeah, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But just before I left, Enhance walked that back in

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<v Speaker 1>an email there comms.

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<v Speaker 9>The rector wrote, due to health privacy laws and ordinances

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<v Speaker 9>in both the UAE and hipparegulations in the US, no

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<v Speaker 9>journalist or camera is permitted in with athletes during their

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<v Speaker 9>doctor consultations or if they choose enhancements. Sorry, that's entirely

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<v Speaker 9>off limits.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, the athletes were instructed by enhanced not to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>any specifics with the press either. Megan says the new

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<v Speaker 1>rules make it harder to talk about what drugs she's

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<v Speaker 1>doing in Abu Dhabi. She wishes she could at least

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<v Speaker 1>say the names of the drug she's taking.

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<v Speaker 2>Not dosages, but at least like what we're taking, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just easier for us as athletes, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what everyone wants to know. Of course, So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know at some point if we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to talk about it, but I guess like that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shifted recently, But.

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<v Speaker 9>That doesn't stop us from asking anyway. Is it like

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<v Speaker 9>going to be like an oral injected, like you know what,

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<v Speaker 9>Like how are you going to have to take it?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if I say it's going to give

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<v Speaker 2>it away. One one is tour wait to are injected.

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<v Speaker 2>One's a gel.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm on about three different substances. One one has taken

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<v Speaker 5>every single day. It's this injection which you do yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>And typically I'll do that, you know, evenings, like after

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<v Speaker 5>the school I'm going to do it, and it's very quick.

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<v Speaker 5>It takes you know, two minutes to do the whole process.

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<v Speaker 5>And then there's another injection, which we're gonna do once

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<v Speaker 5>a week, which really stings. I really couldn't do it

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<v Speaker 5>last week. I couldn't get a needle in. It's tiny,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like a like an instant injection, but I just

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't get it under my skin. I was sweating. My

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<v Speaker 5>hands were like shining from sweat. I was so nervous.

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<v Speaker 5>So what so scared. Once you get over the pinprick,

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<v Speaker 5>you don't feel that at all, but the mind just

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.199
<v Speaker 5>plays tricks on you. When you have to look at

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<v Speaker 5>this needle and look at it again, you kind of

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<v Speaker 5>freak out a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>A few weeks later, in April, Ben tells us he's

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<v Speaker 1>already feeling the effects. What's the biggest change you've felt

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<v Speaker 1>in your body since beginning the protocol? Has there been

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<v Speaker 1>anything that surprised you.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's the the very sudden increase in muscle mass.

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<v Speaker 5>So the first two weeks you're kind of just waiting,

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<v Speaker 5>nothing's changing, And then we came back into the water,

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<v Speaker 5>and then suddenly everyone's looking incredible, Like abs are popping,

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<v Speaker 5>chests fall, like bicelets are big, and that came from

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<v Speaker 5>very little work. You know, I have cut down significantly

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<v Speaker 5>the amount of work I'm doing in the gym purely

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<v Speaker 5>because I'm scared to get too muscly, and I reduced

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<v Speaker 5>it once. Still saw a huge gain in muscle mass,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I've reduced it again just to try and

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<v Speaker 5>maintain the current stateum in. It makes things feel easier

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<v Speaker 5>easy in training, However, there is a definite irritability, so

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<v Speaker 5>the emotions are much higher. It's like you're angry, like

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<v Speaker 5>like you're waiting for food and it's not coming. You're

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<v Speaker 5>just like just agitated.

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<v Speaker 1>The testing being done in this study it definitely scratches

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<v Speaker 1>an itch, especially for someone like Ben who remember keeps

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<v Speaker 1>some meticulous spreadsheets of data on his body, his times

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<v Speaker 1>every day, how each part of his body performs compared

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<v Speaker 1>to yesterday and the day before that. What kind of

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<v Speaker 1>changes have you seen in your like physiology based on

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<v Speaker 1>all this analysis that you're getting.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm out to say so. My testosterone score

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<v Speaker 5>has gone from about four hundred, four hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 5>to twelve hundred and ten, so it's almost tripled in

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<v Speaker 5>a few weeks, and twelve hundred is the upper limit

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<v Speaker 5>not upper limit. Upper threshold of what they see is

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<v Speaker 5>the range.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing, though, A big point of this study,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Enhanced, is to try and collect good, real

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<v Speaker 1>data on these exact side effects. And of course, it

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>is true that this usage of performance enhancing drugs isn't

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<v Speaker 1>very well studied. Most of what science and medicine understands

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<v Speaker 1>about these drugs is based on studies done on p

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<v Speaker 1>people who have already abused them. What Enhanced wants to

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<v Speaker 1>know what happens when folks take those same drugs safely

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>in controlled, moderated dosages. I'm going to take off my

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 1>journalism hat for a second and replace it with my

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>normal dude hat, because remember, I'm someone who takes performance

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 1>enhancing drugs literally. I take stuff that Enhanced also sells

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>on their website because I'm a busy dad who just

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>wants to get through each day. Remember what Max Martin

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<v Speaker 1>said about who these enhancements are meant for.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I twenty five years old and I'm training for

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<v Speaker 3>a marathon or a sixty five years old looking to

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<v Speaker 3>have more energy to take my grandkids to the playground

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<v Speaker 3>and play with them. Enhancements can have me achieve both.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is all any of us have in common

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<v Speaker 1>with someone like Ben Proud is that we're all on

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<v Speaker 1>performance enhancing drugs. That's it. Certainly none of us are

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>elite athletes trying to break a world record.

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<v Speaker 9>We ran enhanced study by six medical professionals, including a neurologist,

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<v Speaker 9>general practitioners, and a sports medicine doctor. Their biggest concerns

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<v Speaker 9>were about the independence of the study. Basically, they said,

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<v Speaker 9>if enhanced can get rich selling the same drugs are studying,

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<v Speaker 9>doesn't that jeopardize their research? How do we know they're

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<v Speaker 9>not overlooking purposefully or not true red flags? And these

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 9>particular test subjects some of the best athletes in the world,

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<v Speaker 9>how representative can they really be of everyday consumers, people

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<v Speaker 9>like me, Chris or the hypothetical twenty five year olds

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<v Speaker 9>and sixty five year olds.

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<v Speaker 7>You're gonna do steroids that you're gonna do one cycle,

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<v Speaker 7>you're gonna like it.

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<v Speaker 9>One doctor we spoke with Thomas O'Connor. He's most skeptical

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<v Speaker 9>of enhance confidence and consumers that they'd actually take these

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<v Speaker 9>drugs and moderation.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't care if you're a top guy, your regular

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<v Speaker 6>accountant guy running McDonald's I don't care what you are.

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<v Speaker 6>You're gonna like it. You're gonna want to do more

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<v Speaker 6>and more and more.

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<v Speaker 4>You're never gonna do one cycle never doesn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 9>Something else about doctor O'Connor, he has a history of

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<v Speaker 9>abusing steroids himself, and he's very open about it, meaning

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<v Speaker 9>he would know.

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<v Speaker 8>What happens is men take steroids.

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<v Speaker 4>They take a little bit, like they always say they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to do this minimal dose.

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<v Speaker 3>That's bullshit right there, that's one hundred percent bullshit.

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<v Speaker 9>We want to hear from those men, those people themselves,

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<v Speaker 9>the twenty five and sixty five year olds, the normy's

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<v Speaker 9>already taking the kinds of drugs enhanced to selling. How

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<v Speaker 9>prone are they at a planing it's safe. How much

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<v Speaker 9>does safety factor into their decision making at all? That's

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<v Speaker 9>next time on Superhuman.

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