1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I remember when I had 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: the twins. I was so freaked out about their safety 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: because of covering cases where children were hurt or worse 4 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: for years. They go missing, they're abused. You never know 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: who the abuser is. You have no idea. I actually 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: had two babysitters whenever I was not with them, a 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: babysitter to watch the other babysitter watch the twins. I 8 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: know it sounds crazy, but in my mind that was 9 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: the only way that I could work and leave the twins. Sadly, 10 00:00:52,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: not everyone is able to do that today. The victim 11 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: is a two year old, gorgeous little baby girl Crime 12 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Who is Baby Fallon? Listen, we 13 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: say chief sachee, an infectious laugh, zest for life, Hey hey, 14 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: I love you, an unconditional love for her mother. Moments 15 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: captured by Fallon Fridley's parents on December ninth, mother Kristen 16 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: dropped Fallon off with babysitter Kirstie Flood. She'd been watching 17 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Fallon since August, and treated her like her own child. 18 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: That night, she says she allowed Fallon to have a 19 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: sleepover with Flood's own children. I have spoken to around 20 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: eight thirty and she said Fallon and just eating dinner. 21 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: She's fine, she was in bed, and then she calls 22 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: me hysterically about an hour later saying that Fallen wasn't moving. 23 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: How can that be? Guys, again, thank you for being 24 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: with us. Let me introduce you an all star panel 25 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again. 26 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: First of all, child judge, lawyer Anchory Court TV, Ashley 27 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Willcott at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Renowned psychiatrists out of 28 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold at Angela Arnold MD 29 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: dot com, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Crime 30 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: scene tech expert Cheryl McCollum, renowned medical examiner for the 31 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: entire state of Florida. Doctor Tim Gallagher at pathcaremed dot com. 32 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: But first to special guests joining us, Mike Pachinik with 33 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: WSBTV Channel two, Atlanta. Mike, thank you so much for 34 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: being with us. First of all, I want to understand 35 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: the topography here. Where did this happen. This happened in 36 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Sandy Springs, Georgia, Nancy, which is a suburb just north 37 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta city limits. That's pretty ritzy. Area, Sandy Springs. 38 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: It's right there, nestled in with butt Caad in North Atlanta, 39 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: So Sandy Springs is a little suburb just out of there. 40 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand where this happened and about the 41 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: family dynamic. So the mom was at work when tragedy 42 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: befall her daughter. That's right, Nancy. The family actually lives 43 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: in a nearby suburb of Woodstock, which is not too 44 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: far away. They entrusted this little girl to be babyset 45 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: by their friend Kirsty Flood. They were friends for quite 46 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: some time. Where was the mom marking? Where's the mom marking? 47 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to find out right now? Where 48 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: is she? You know, I really don't know where she works? Behind? Okay, 49 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: but we do we have convi I should have asked 50 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: us to start with. We have confirmed the mom was 51 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: not with the two year old, right, that is correct. 52 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: Where's the dad in this scenario? He also is a 53 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: working parent, so he was he was at work as man. 54 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: That's tough, especially if you have to travel, especially if 55 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: you have to be away at night and wonder how 56 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: is your child? And in this world we live in, 57 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: it's hard to get by with one parent working, it's 58 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: much more common. I think Ashley Willcott that both parents work. 59 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it is. I see cases all the time 60 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: from all different areas of Georgia, and let me just 61 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: say this, Typically you either have a single parent or working, 62 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: or in the alternative, especially this day and age with 63 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: COVID and changes in jobs, everybody scrambling to do what 64 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: they have to do to provide for their family, and 65 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: often both are outside of the home working. Yeah, Cheryl McCollum, 66 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: when you and I worked together out on crime scenes 67 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: at all times of the day and night, and all 68 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: parts of Atlanta, Fulton County, especially a lot of bad, 69 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: high crime areas, I don't think I could have done 70 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: it if I had had children at that time. I 71 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: mean we were out all hours of the day and 72 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: night processing crime scenes, trying to find witnesses. There were 73 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: some nights during trial I don't I don't think I 74 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: would even sleep between trying to find witnesses and line 75 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: up the next day for trial. You just can't. How 76 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: did you do it, Cheryl, Well, you know I had 77 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of help, and you know, Wald changed his 78 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: schedule and my sister Charlene changed her schedule immediately. Charlene 79 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: was a flight attendant, so she would fly all night 80 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: and then get my children at seven o'clock in the 81 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: morning so I could go on duty. And when Wald 82 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: got home he would let Charlene go to sleep. So 83 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: see you out at two am processing a homicide. You 84 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: were fresh as a daisy. And I never understood how 85 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: how you did it with two children. A lot of help, 86 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: A lot of help, Nancy. And I'm gonna tell you, 87 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: you and I both when the children got here, changed 88 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: our schedules. I mean, instead of working unusual part time jobs, 89 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: I became a college professor. I changed everything that I did. 90 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: I quit working in the jail. There a lot of 91 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: things that I did that go away in your life. 92 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean there's one thing. I mean, the geelhouse funk. 93 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: You can't go in there and come out not smelling 94 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: like that. I don't know what that is, because it's 95 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of a mixture of too many people and cleaning fluid. 96 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: It's just ah and steam, you know, like in a 97 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: school cafeteria that steam from the food where they have 98 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: hot water under the fog, just like oh meshes together. 99 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: You can't wait to run out of that place. I'm 100 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: sure you're sad to see that go. What we're talking 101 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: about is a too Your old little girl Fallon Fridly 102 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: and her mom, Kristen Gyant and moms at work, Dad's 103 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: at work. Joining me right now is a very special guest. 104 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: It's Stephanie Fridley, the aunt of baby Fallon, the sister 105 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: of mom Kristen. Stephanie, first of all, you have no 106 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: idea how much we have all been thinking and praying 107 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: for your family. And I want to find out more 108 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: about where mom and dad worked. So my sister, Kristen 109 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: works at for Kids Animal Shelter. She literally dedicates all 110 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: of her time to taking care of and rehabilitating kittens 111 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: and sending them off to good homes. And her husband 112 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: works as a maintenance man, excuse me, a maintenance manager 113 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: at the grounds guys at what the grounds guys? You know, 114 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: And with jobs like that, you're on call a lot, 115 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: and I know the feeling you guys were talking about. 116 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 1: Beautiful to year old little girl Mommy had to work 117 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: at night and everything's fine. But I've covered so many 118 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: cases like that. To doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists joining us 119 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: where everything's picture perfect, I mean I'm thinking about Elizabeth Smart. 120 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: They live in this gorgeous mansion, in this loving family, 121 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the middle of night, she's gone, 122 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: all the way down to Helly Cummings in Florida, goes 123 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: to bed babysitter. There she's gone, and you have no 124 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: Isabella Silice, different part of the country. The whole family's asleep, 125 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: and somehow somebody gets Isabelle and you don't plan for it, 126 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: and you don't think about something like that happening in 127 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: your life, So when it does happen, it's shocking, totally 128 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: out of your realm of thinking. And in both Elizabeth 129 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: Smart and Sabella Salice, the whole family was home, and 130 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: in Helly Cummings it was the dad's fiance that was 131 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: at home when Helly is taken goes missing. So it's honestly, 132 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: no one wants to feel like they're unsafe in their 133 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: own home. No, no one ever is going to feel 134 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: like they're unsafe in their own home. No, absolutely not. 135 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: This happened. So how many times will it take that 136 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: a child is brutalize in their own home before it 137 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: can be fixed? But is there a way to fix 138 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: the time stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about 139 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: a two year old little girl, Fallon Fridley. She's at home. 140 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Mommy says that while she's at work, she actually spoke 141 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: to GIRLSTI that was around eight thirty pm. It was 142 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: almost a bad time. Then everything's fine. Fallon had had dinner, 143 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: she was fine, going to bed, she was going down 144 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: for the night, and in my mind, once the children 145 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: get in bed, pretty much the drama for the day 146 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: is over and we can all go to sleep. Take 147 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: a listen to LaTosha Gibbons Wxia distraught beyond measure. It's 148 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: unfathomable that she's not here with us. I don't know 149 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: how you wake up in each day in the Moulan 150 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: when such horrific loss that she's experienceding right now, Samantha 151 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: Shelton is speaking on behalf of the Fridley family as 152 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: they wore in the tragedy death of two year old Fallon. 153 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: Shelton says she's worked with Fallon's mother for the past 154 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: few years at four kids. She is part of our 155 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: family and we stand with her. Her loss is our 156 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: loss and we love Fallon. Fallon would come to work 157 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: with her sometimes. Shelton says Fallon loved animals like her mother, 158 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: and the staff had already picked out her Christmas gifts. 159 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: You were hearing staff where mom works at for kids 160 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: a shot reverberating through the community, family and friends stunned 161 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: to Stephanie Fridley, the aunt a little Fallon. Stephanie, When 162 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: did you learn that something had gone horribly wrong? I 163 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: was actually on my way home from a close friend 164 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: of mine's home, and my younger sister, Cindy, had called 165 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: me very distraught, saying that something was wrong, and I, 166 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, didn't think too much of it. I thought 167 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: everything was fine, It's just maybe she tripped and fell 168 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: or something. So I called Kristen and her husband, Cameron 169 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: answered the phone and he was beside himself, and that's 170 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: when I knew something was wrong, and he told me 171 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: they were at the hospital. So I got over there 172 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: to the Scottish Rite as quickly as I could. It 173 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: was probably about eleven eleven thirty when I arrived at 174 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: the hospital, and Scottish Mother is one of the premier 175 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: children's hospitals really in the world, and it's not too 176 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: too far away from where this family lived. The baby 177 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: with a trusted friend that had been taking care of 178 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: the baby for a while, long time friend. So what 179 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: happened to baby fallon? And you know that feeling, Doctor 180 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher. I'm sure you've dealt with so many families 181 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: that are beside themselves when you're at the hospital and 182 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: you're waiting and praying for good news. I mean, how 183 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: do you break it to a family that there's not 184 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: good news? Doctor Gallagher? Well, you know that is never easy, 185 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: and that's one of the most difficult parts of my job, 186 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: and of many doctor's jobs, and even detectives who investigate cases, 187 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: is breaking bad news to the family. There's never a 188 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: good way to do it. I think the most common 189 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: way to do it is just to come out with 190 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: it and not sugarcoat it at all and just tell 191 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: them the truth and let the emotions flow where they 192 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: need to go. Take a listen to our friend. Sandy 193 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: Springs Police Sergeants Salvadore or takea we got a nine 194 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: one one call about a nonresponsive child. Sandy Springs PG, 195 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: along with EA Mass responded. They gave the child CPR 196 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: and transported her to the hospital, where she was later 197 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: pronounced by medical personnel. See any Springs Police soon learned 198 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: the medical examiner ruled her death the homicide. Hey Hey, 199 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: I love you. Fallen was a happy, sweet little girl, 200 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: her mother tells me. The energetic two year old love 201 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: to sing and dance and in her eyes, there were 202 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: no strangers, just people to meet and hold hands with. 203 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: Hey forhood. But on December ninth, her life was cut short. 204 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: We got a nine one one call about a nine 205 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: responsive child. Sandy Springs PEG along with em MASS responded. 206 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: They gave the child CPR and transported her to the hospital, 207 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: where she was later pronounced dead by medical personnel. Sandy 208 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: Springs police soon learned the medical examiner ruled her death 209 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: a homicide. Two days after Fallon was found unresponsive in 210 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: the Sandy Springs apartment. I want to go back to you, 211 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: Mike Pachenik, joining USBSBTV Channel two, explain to me about 212 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: the structure. Was in an apartment, a high rise, at home, 213 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: a suburb? What was it? Yeah, Christie Flood lived in 214 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: an apartment complex on the northern side of the city. 215 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: In fact, she was operating a daycare out of her home. 216 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: She had advertised it as a daycare with toys and 217 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: games for the kids to play. How have you seen 218 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: the apartment at what level? Was it on bottom second third? 219 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: I believe they live in the second or third floor 220 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: from what I was able to see. I mean, because 221 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: it seems to me. The very first thing you do, 222 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, based on what Mike Patchennik when WSBTV is 223 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: telling us, is you look at the structure. Is it 224 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: Isabel Selsa's case? The entire backyard had a very high, 225 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: solid nut brick I don't think, but maybe stucco wall 226 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: all the way around it, and the front door had 227 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: not been tampered with when Isabel was taken. So you 228 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: got to figure out how could somebody get in and 229 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: hurt this child? How did this happen? When you get 230 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: a call like this, Cheryl McCollum, what do you do first? Well, 231 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the first thing again, and if you think that child's 232 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: already unresponsive, you get the information from the primary caregiver. 233 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: In this case, it would have been the babysitter who 234 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: made the claim she hit her head on the slide 235 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: and then wouldn't wake up. So again, I want to 236 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: know where the where the slide is? Is it a 237 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: park or a playgown right there at the facility? Did 238 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: she walk with the child back to the apartment injured? 239 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Did she carry the child? How severe was that injury 240 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: to this babysitter at a time? And then I'm going 241 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: to look for people. I'm gonna send the rookies out. 242 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: Can you get anybody that saw these two at the part? 243 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: Can anybody verify that happen? Well, I mean, understanding whole talker, 244 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: do you know that they had been at the playground? Cheryl, No, 245 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: And That's what I'm saying. That's one thing I would 246 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: find out a y. You know, the reality is that 247 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: you start looking from men in the child's life because 248 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: her child just suddenly die in the care of a 249 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: trusted friend who everybody goes to sleep. You typically look 250 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: at men no offensive men on the panel that would 251 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: be Mike Pachenik and doctor Tim Gallagher. But it's usually 252 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: men that kill statistically no offense. But that's the reality. 253 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: That's where I would start looking, Cheryl. I would immediately 254 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: look at everybody that was in control or care of 255 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: that child. Every person time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 256 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: we were talking about the death of this little girl 257 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: and she dies, to my understanding, within the apartment on 258 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: a second or third floor. The mom gets to call 259 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: straight back to Stephanie. Fridley. This is Fallon's aunt, Stephanie. 260 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: At first you were just told something's wrong. When did 261 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: you realize it was very serious? When we were at 262 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: the hospital, you know, the doctor had mentioned that he 263 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: had never seen a child with injuries this severe actually recover, 264 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: so hearing that was really a heavy blow, but we 265 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: were all optimistic. I think it was around one fifteen, 266 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: one twenty in the morning that we got the hard news. 267 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: So Stephanie, who was there with you in the hospital, 268 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: who rushed the baby to the hospital. Kristen and Cameron, 269 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: her husband met actually beat the ambulance to the hospital. Myself, 270 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: my younger sister Cindy, and my mother got there as 271 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: quickly as we could. So did the babysitter take the 272 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: baby to the hospital or the mom take the baby 273 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: to the hospital. No, the ambulance picked Fallin up and 274 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: brow her to them. Bot you. So the babysitter calls 275 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: the ambulance, They come get the baby, take baby fell 276 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: into the hospital and the mom is flying she meets 277 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: the ambulance. Do I have that right? Got it? Yeah? 278 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: Exactly As this scenario unfalls questions, ping ponging off the 279 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: brains of the parents. Take a listen to our friend 280 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard at crime Online. Kristin friendly Ghentt and Kirsty 281 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: Flood have been friends for six years. Both her mothers 282 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: and friends say they both loved children. That's one of 283 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: the reasons Kristin Ghant turned Flood when she needed a babysitter. 284 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: For several months, twenty nine year old Flood cared for 285 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: two year old Fallon Friedley at least three days a week, 286 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: and in August she became Falon's full time babysitter. Just 287 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: before Christmas, Flood invited Fallon to a sleepover with her 288 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: own children, and that's when Kristin Ghantz nightmare began a 289 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: sleepover with other children in the home. You know this 290 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: could go in so many different directions. Special guests joining 291 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: me the aunt of baby Fallon, Stephanie Fridley. Stephanie describe 292 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: the scene from me is everyone is waiting in the 293 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: hospital hallway to get news about Fallon. I can't even 294 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: really put into words, just be overwhelming worry and anxiety 295 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: that we were all experiencing, but we kept trying to 296 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: hang in there and be optimistic, you know, everything up 297 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: until that last moment when we got the news, we 298 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: were just I can't even explain, just absolute fear and anxiety, 299 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: you know. To doctor Tim Gallagher, the babysitter, Christie Flood 300 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: said that baby fallon hit her head on a slide. Now, 301 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: I know for a fact, when my son John David 302 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: hit his head at a birthday party on a professional 303 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: grade basketball court. He was in the hospital for days. 304 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: He had a serious, serious concussion. So how would that work? Well, 305 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing that we would do here 306 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: at the Medical Examiner's office, you know, is look at 307 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: the pattern of injuries. If it's a single blow to 308 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: the head, then yes, that is possible. But in child 309 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: aod use cases we don't find that. Typically we find 310 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: multiple impacts on different side. So I'm saying, if if 311 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: she hit her head on the slide, like the babysitter said, 312 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: how would it be that she could eat dinner and 313 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: go to bed as normal and then what go into 314 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: a coma from bleeding on the brain. I mean, how 315 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: would that work? Well, that would be a very very 316 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: unlikely situation. Um. You know, there can be a situation 317 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: to something called walk, talk and die. A syndrome where 318 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: you have where you do have an impact to the head. 319 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: It's always such a enjoy talking to you, doctor Gallagher. 320 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Walk talk and die. Okay, go ahead. Well, it's a 321 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: it's a term that we use for an epidural or 322 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: bleeding on the very top of the brain. And typically 323 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: what happens is you'll you'll have an impact to the head. 324 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: It wouldn't be that severe. Typically these happen to skiers 325 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: or snowboarders. Oh you mean like Natasha Richardson, Liam aw 326 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: said Liam. Yes, Liam Neeson's wife. Remember that beautiful actress 327 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: and mother hit her head on a tree skiing. She 328 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: got a little nauseous, she was tired, she laid down 329 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: and died. Is that what you're talking about? Oh, that 330 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: would be right to walk, talk and die syndrome, you know, 331 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: after the after the impact. So it's indicative of very 332 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: slow believe that that happens over a long period of 333 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: time to the point where of the amount of blood increases, 334 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: the pressure inside of the head, You become sleepy, you 335 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: have difficulty breathing, You lay down, and then you you 336 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: expire shortly thereafter, you know. So if that was the case, 337 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: then you would have a progression of her, of the 338 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: of the victim, of the of the child. I'm becoming 339 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: more or less and less responsive over a long period 340 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: of time. It's not like all of a sudden you're 341 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: talking and enjoying yourself and then a snap of the 342 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: finger and then you're unconscious and debt. You know. It's 343 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: it's a long progression from being lucid to being clouded 344 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: and then being uptunded and then dying. So if that's 345 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: not how this case presented itself, then I would suspect 346 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: another mechanism for the child's injury. Well, doctor Tim Gallagher 347 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: and Fallon Fridley's aunt, Stephanie Fridley joining us today, say 348 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: that's not at all what happened here, Matt to our 349 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: friend and Mike Pachenik from WSBTV Channel two, Doctor Gallagher 350 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: or and Stephanie Fridley are right, that's not the way 351 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: it unfolded based on the nature of the injuries. What 352 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: can you tell me about Fallon's injuries, Mike, they were 353 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: I think the child had injuries all over her body 354 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: that were definitely not consistent with just hitting her head 355 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: on a slide at the playground. You know, that's a 356 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: dead giveaway, Mike Pachenk. I mean, I'm no medical examiner 357 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: like doctor Tim Gallagher is joining us. But when you 358 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: say a child hit her head on the slide, I 359 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: would expect to see one bruise, maybe a laceration on 360 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: the head if she was at the top of the slide. 361 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I might expect, you know, maybe her knees to be 362 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: skinned if she fell off, But I would not expect 363 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: to see her body riddled with injuries. What do you 364 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: know about the injuries? Might what type of injuries were there? 365 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: They found contusions all over her body, terrors to some 366 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: of her internal organs which were definitely inconsistent with hitting 367 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: her head on a slide as well. So just terrific, 368 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: horrific injuries. And plus children's slides are by law, Ashley Wilcot. 369 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: It's regulated for playgrounds, schools, church, public playgrounds. Slides have 370 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: to be a certain height and they've got to have 371 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: all sorts of safety precautions on them, so this sort 372 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: of thing won't happen Ashley, Yeah, exactly. And so the 373 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: reality is can kids hurt themselves on a playground? Sure? Absolutely, 374 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: kids can have an accident anywhere, But you're right Nancy. 375 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: For these types of injuries, the severity, the number of 376 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: different injuries a slide is meet certain requirements adds to 377 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: all of the pieces of played out equipment to prevent 378 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: those types of injuries. So, Cheryl McCollum, what the babysitter 379 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: is saying does not jive with the injuries. And what 380 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: you and I were talking about at the beginning was 381 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: tracing the babies steps up until the time of the injury. 382 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: And you look at every person around her. Now we 383 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: have an inconsistency, Cheryl, and that's where you stay. You 384 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: stay at that first lie. So again, once the doctor 385 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: is telling law enforcement her organs have been damaged, so 386 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: that's either being punched, being kicked. There's injury to the 387 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: front of her head, the back of her head, at 388 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: the top of her head. That's not one fall from 389 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: a slide. And that baby could not have walked back 390 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: to the apartment. So we go back. Did anybody see 391 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: them leave? Is their video from the complex? Did anybody 392 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: witness did another child play with her? Did she actually 393 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: make it to the slide to the park? To you, 394 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, how much force is needed for there 395 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: to be internal injuries on a child. I mean, I 396 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: imagine it to be like a car crash or punting 397 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: professional hitting kicking a football for the forty yard goal. 398 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: I mean, how much the loss do you need for 399 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: there to be so much tearing and bleeding to internal organs. Well, 400 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: that's a good question. You know, it depends on a 401 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: lot of things. But you know your typical child, her age. 402 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: You know, it would require either a whatever blow would 403 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: tear your organs would also knock the breath out of you. 404 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: You know, could also knock you unconscious. You know, so 405 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: a good kick in the abdomen or a good punch 406 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: right under the rib cage is certainly more than enough 407 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: force in a child to do that type of damage. 408 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: I mean, Stephanie Fridley, this is baby Fallon's aunt standing 409 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: there in the hallway with mom and dad at the hospital, praying, 410 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: praying the baby would survive. Had you been told she 411 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: hit her head on the slide, Yeah, initially that's kind 412 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: of what we had heard from Kirsty. Did you believe it? No? No, 413 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: I didn't think that a playground injury could actually hospitalize 414 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: child in this fashion. Well, you know what your instinct was, correct. 415 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What happened to baby fallon? 416 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Mike Pachenic WSBTV Atlanta. 417 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: At the hospital, police say Flood claimed the toddler had 418 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: hit her head on the slide at the playground, but 419 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: doctors believe Flood badly beat the child, and according to 420 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: this arrest, half of David had been searching phrases on 421 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: her phone like what does it mean to have a 422 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: sudden urge to beat a child that's not yours? And 423 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: it's like this evil is in front of my face 424 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: for years and I never saw it. Evil in front 425 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: of my face for years, but I didn't see it. 426 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: To my Pachennick WSBTV channel to Atlanta, Mike, tell me 427 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: what you learn about the best friend and babysitters computer searches. Yeah. 428 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: So police actually went and checked her phone and on 429 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: the Safari app of her iPhone and they were able 430 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: to look at her search history and as mentioned in 431 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: the piece there, that was one of the phrases what 432 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: does it mean to have a sudden urge to beat 433 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: a child that's not yours? There was another search for 434 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: quote I hit my child and feel guilty, and a 435 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: third search Nancy that said quote, what type of people 436 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: enjoy abusing other people's children? You know? Even, wouldn't you think, 437 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold, you're a shrink. I'm just a trial lawyer. 438 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you realize as you're typing these questions into Google, 439 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: there's something horribly wrong that you need to fix. I mean, 440 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: that wouldn't dawn on you? Yes, I think it would 441 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: go one on you. But you know something, there are people, 442 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: there are people Nancy that do things, they harm the harmless, 443 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: and they get pleasure from other people's pain. And they're 444 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: called satists. Okay, satists actually feel other people's pain more 445 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: than normal. They enjoy it until it's over and then 446 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: they feel bad. So, yes, this woman knew that she 447 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: was suffering from this, and she was wondering about it, 448 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: and maybe she couldn't even stop herself. But this is 449 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: that's when you close the daycare, when you're starting to 450 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: type into Google, why do I want to hurt other 451 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: people's children? I beat my child now I feel bad 452 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: about it. That's when you close the doors to your daycare. 453 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Melissa Starns, CBS forty six. Antoinette Nieri, 454 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: the former apartment manager at the complex says she knew 455 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: Flood well. Christie was absolutely erratic. Fridley's family says the 456 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: babysitter first reported the little girl died after falling at 457 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: the playground, but an autopsy revealed she suffered severe injuries 458 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: that resulted in her death. Under Flood's watch. In the 459 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: month of August, every single day we had the police 460 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: at Christy Flood's apartment. According to Sandy Springs Police, there 461 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: have been six incident reports involving Flood since August of 462 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: this year. The reports range from larcenyes, harassing, communications, and 463 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: criminal trespass. Nary also sent us greenshots from Facebook saying 464 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: Flood was running an illegal daycare. I had given her 465 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: leaf's violation for trying to run a business out of 466 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: her home, because that is a leaks's violation. Straight back 467 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: out to Stephanie Fridley, this is baby Fallon, just two 468 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: years old, and I wish you could see her picture 469 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: just she looks like a little angel. You can go 470 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: to crime online dot com and see her photo as well. Stephanie, 471 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: who is this woman? Who is Kirstie Flood? Twenty nine 472 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: year old Kirsty Flood. I mean she had been in 473 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: the mom Kristin Fridley's dance life for a long time, 474 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: but no one ever suspected a thing. No, And you know, 475 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: I has known her family for a long time. She 476 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: was a wonderful mother. All of her friends and families 477 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: that knew her well would say that she was just 478 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: a kind hearted person. She loved her children. She took 479 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: great care of Fallon, and we thought she was a 480 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: wonderful person. Were you ever around her? Not personally I 481 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: have met her, but it's it's been a while since 482 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: I've you met her. I mean, what was she like? 483 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: Was she bubbly? Was she quiet? Was open? Armed and 484 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: loving and warm? She was just and there bede no 485 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: warning signs, absolutely not just honestly one of the kindest people. 486 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: Back to Mike Pachinik WBTV Channel two, what can you 487 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: tell me about instant reports regarding this woman, the babysitter 488 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: who was taking care of several children at her apartment complex. 489 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: What do you know? Right? So, there were there were 490 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: six different calls to that apartment complex. Most of the 491 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: issues were really a dispute between her and the leasing 492 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: office and the leasing manager. According to Antoinette Nary, she 493 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: had been complaining about issues in her apartment like mold 494 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: and some other maintenance problems, and it had escalated to 495 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: the point where she was criminally trespassed from the leasing 496 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: office for causing a stink over there. And Okay, because 497 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: when I heard police recall, I assume it was for 498 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: a crime, not a landlord tenant dispute, because that's actually 499 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: pretty common. So I want to go back to the 500 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: searching of the internet. Cheryl McCall on Directrical Case Research 501 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: Institute jump in. My biggest issue with this whole statement 502 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: that she typed in, And like you said, Nancy, she 503 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: chose to sit with her phone and type every word 504 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: what type of people enjoy enjoy abusing, enjoy abusing. Those 505 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: two words tell so much about about her. And then 506 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: of course she goes on to say other people's children. 507 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: So again what leaps out at me. She enjoys abusing 508 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: other people's children, not just hurting them, but abusing them. 509 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: By typing that in, what she's actually looking for is 510 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: information about herself. She didn't type in how can I 511 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: stop abusing somebody else's child? How can I quit hurting 512 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: somebody's child? She just wals', oh hey, why do I 513 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: enjoy it so damn much. You know what makes it 514 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: even worse in my mind, as she Willcot judge, trial, lawyer, 515 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: court to the anchor, is that the whole family trusted 516 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 1: her and she had a facade. I mean, it makes 517 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: me think of Scott Peterson, and he's an easy one 518 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: to pick because it's just such a stark contrast because 519 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: he seemed like the perfect husband. Some people, not me, 520 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: but some people think he's handsome, athletic college degree, great job, 521 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: great personality. Who would have guessed he would murder Lacy, 522 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: an unborn child, Connor on Christmas Eve of all days. 523 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: So the facade you paint to the public is one thing. 524 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: It's like a mind twist because what you see is 525 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: not what your brain knows to be the facts. Ashley. Yeah, 526 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: and to your point, Nancy, this is an attractive person. 527 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: If you look online and see pictures of her, she's 528 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: an attractive person. And the problem is general people, people 529 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: in general, other than those of us on this call 530 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: that are in this field, trust people. You develop a friendship, 531 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: you develop a relationship, but necessarily those are people you 532 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: tend to trust. And so there was no reason the 533 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: way this person held herself out built a friendship, appeared 534 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: that they didn't trust her, and regrettably she had a 535 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: squirrel loops. She did something that was horrific. Man, you're 536 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: not kidding something that's horrific. But because she was doing 537 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: all these searches, I do not believe this was the 538 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: first time she had acted. Take a listen to our 539 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: friends at Fox five. Cobb County court records show this 540 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: isn't the first time flood has been arrested by police. 541 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: Back in two ten, she was arrested for battery under 542 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: each possession, contributing to the delinquency of a minor under 543 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: each possession, and criminal trespass. In two twelve, she was 544 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: arrested during a traffic violation for having a controlled substance. 545 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: She's currently in the Fulton Counting Jail facing charges of 546 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: felony murder, malice, murder, aggravated battery, and cruelty to children. Yes, 547 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: Mike Pachink, she's behind bars, but the parents have a 548 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: life sentence. They hired the babysitter, the longtime friend that 549 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: apparently murdered their child. What is next for this babysitter, 550 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: Kirsty flood Well. She has been sitting in the Fulton 551 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: County Jail for a good month now. She has been 552 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: denied bond, so there is no chance she'll be getting out. 553 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfolds as prayers go on 554 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: for baby Fallon's parents. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off 555 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,