Speaker 1: Welcome into the Ticket of the Draft. On today's episode, Man,
Speaker 1: we got some excitings up. We are at the combine.
Speaker 1: It's late, we're recording this, but this is the most
Speaker 1: up to date, most comprehensive combine recap of day one
Speaker 1: that you're going to get at the drill work. We're excited.
Speaker 1: We got linebackers, defensive line, defensive ends. They did a
Speaker 1: great job. We go through everybody, give you names. You
Speaker 1: know guys are performingly well and guys you might not
Speaker 1: have heard of, guys in the later rounds that you
Speaker 1: can keep your eye on at home. Maybe you check
Speaker 1: out the film on your own, do something like that.
Speaker 1: And we've got a very very special guests Field the
Speaker 1: Eights of the First Draft podcast with mel kiper Junior
Speaker 1: is on and he tells us who he thinks we
Speaker 1: should take at number two. That all starts right out.
Speaker 1: Welcome into the Ticket of the Draft, presented by A Sekik,
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Speaker 1: Logan Paulson here with just a guy Jason sitting in
Speaker 1: his hotel room. Because we love providing draft content at
Speaker 1: the highest level. What time is it, Jason?
Speaker 2: It is currently nine to nineteen pm.
Speaker 1: And where do we just come from.
Speaker 2: We just came from the combine. Every single drill.
Speaker 1: We watched it, every single drill.
Speaker 3: And I just want to say I'm not salty about it.
Speaker 3: But there were a lot of people that were media
Speaker 3: that was here, that was producing content, some podcasts, radio hits,
Speaker 3: a lot of them talking about the combine that did
Speaker 3: not enter the combine to watch any drills or stay
Speaker 3: the entire time. People were funneling out through the day.
Speaker 3: But because we love our commanders fans, you want to
Speaker 3: give them the absolute best. I made Logan stay in
Speaker 3: his seat for the entire time. It started at one o'clock.
Speaker 1: It did one o'clock, and we were there until nine o'clock.
Speaker 2: Five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got back to the hotel at nine and
Speaker 3: here we go. So we're going to be we may
Speaker 3: be the last podcast out today, but we're going to
Speaker 3: be the one, the first one that have complete coverage
Speaker 3: of what happened in the combine Day one.
Speaker 2: So well, if I want to talk about something before
Speaker 2: we get into that, Okay, what do we got?
Speaker 3: Okay, something that came out It seems like a long
Speaker 3: time ago because it was earlier today, but big news
Speaker 3: about the combine. Yeah, all right, So Adam Schefter put
Speaker 3: out a tweet. Here was his tweet. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 3: attending his first combine as the Washington Commander's owner, Josh
Speaker 3: Harris has sat and taken a part of each of
Speaker 3: the six interviews that the team has conducted with the
Speaker 3: top quarterback prospects in this draft. Most owners don't attend
Speaker 3: the combine. Harris is not only in Indianapolis, but he's
Speaker 3: a part of the quarterback interview process.
Speaker 2: That was from Adam Schefter this morning.
Speaker 1: That language by Adam Schefter is like a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's trying to paint a picture
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure he knows is accurate. Like he's
Speaker 1: in the meeting room. Is he asking questions? Like that's
Speaker 1: my thing. Like if he's just in there, I have
Speaker 1: no problem with that. If if he's just kind of facilitating,
Speaker 1: then if he's just in there observing the interview, getting
Speaker 1: a feel for the player, I think that's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent right. Like this is his first year as an owner,
Speaker 1: first year head coach, first year GM, not first year,
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. Further Commanders, those guys
Speaker 1: are in their.
Speaker 2: First time, the first time they're all together.
Speaker 1: And I want to kind of see the process in
Speaker 1: acquiring the biggest piece of the franchise moving forward, which
Speaker 1: is the quarterback. And so I don't have any problem
Speaker 1: with him being in there. Obviously, if he comes don
Speaker 1: draft Day and is like Dan, I think you should
Speaker 1: take so and so, because I think he interviewed well,
Speaker 1: I think that's an overstep. But I don't think Josh
Speaker 1: Harris has done anything in this process to indicate that
Speaker 1: he would go in that direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's even said things that he's not going to
Speaker 2: do that, correct.
Speaker 3: He just wants to be involved. I have a question
Speaker 3: for you, Yeah, would it be different if that was
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson?
Speaker 1: I think fans would probably differently because he's a sports guy, right,
Speaker 1: He's got about He's played sports, he's coach teams, he's
Speaker 1: he's been more hands on than Josh Harris. And I
Speaker 1: think Josh Harris does have a very wide array of
Speaker 1: experience with regards to sports. But I think the perception
Speaker 1: is that he's a little bit farther removed, which I
Speaker 1: think is probably how he would like it to be perceived,
Speaker 1: because I think that's what he wants. But I do
Speaker 1: think if it's if it's Magic Johnson, it probably feels
Speaker 1: a little bit differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just comes across. But I want, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I love it. I like that he's in the room.
Speaker 1: I mean and again like this, and it to me
Speaker 1: it's probably not it's there's probably different ways to do it.
Speaker 1: You know, there's certain guys that want to be in
Speaker 1: the room. But I think it's like if I was
Speaker 1: a young man, if I was Drake May, if I
Speaker 1: was Jaye Daniels, if I was you know, Panix, if
Speaker 1: I was Nicks, if it was any one of these
Speaker 1: guys and the owners in there, I understand that this
Speaker 1: is a very serious opportunity, right, and that they're taking
Speaker 1: it very seriously, and that I need to make sure
Speaker 1: that I am presenting myself in a way it represents
Speaker 1: the franchise correctly. And I think it adds a little
Speaker 1: bit of gravitas, a little bit of impact to the meeting,
Speaker 1: which I think is important. And I think, you know
Speaker 1: is that does every team do it that way? No?
Speaker 1: But is it okay that they're doing in that way?
Speaker 1: Is it okay that he gets to be there and
Speaker 1: be a part of that interview process and hear what
Speaker 1: the coaches are asking and get to understand and know
Speaker 1: that young man. I think that's entirely appropriate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I also would say I'm not saying Adam
Speaker 3: Schefter is wrong any stretch, but what you said, like
Speaker 3: he worded it, interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of an interesting We were walking.
Speaker 3: Over today to the stadium. We saw a Cowboys bus
Speaker 3: go by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2: That looked an awful lot like something Jerry Jones would
Speaker 2: arrive in.
Speaker 1: And Jerry Jones is always he's always at the combine.
Speaker 1: It was the bus was here last year of us.
Speaker 3: The notion that owners aren't there and this is a
Speaker 3: unique thing we've seen with our eyeballs there and likes,
Speaker 3: it's just not true. Owners are involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like this is the given the precedent
Speaker 1: that's here, I think it's it's totally fine that he's involved.
Speaker 1: It's just like you don't want him involved, I guess,
Speaker 1: in making decisions, but I think here, I think he
Speaker 1: can form an opinion and give his thoughts on leadership.
Speaker 1: I think that's another thing too. Man. He's been a
Speaker 1: very successful developer of businesses and teams, and I think
Speaker 1: he understands and has a good feel for what leadership
Speaker 1: looks like. So I if I'm Dan and I say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: what's you think of that guy? This is all well,
Speaker 1: I think how he commanded the room in a way
Speaker 1: that I liked. I take that input well because I
Speaker 1: think that that is he's had experience in that area.
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, And speaking of quarterbacks, because that was
Speaker 3: what they said with six quarterbacks. Speaking of quarterbacks, we
Speaker 3: have a special guest on this podcast, so everybody listening,
Speaker 3: stick around.
Speaker 2: It will be at the end.
Speaker 1: It is Field Dates Field Yates from ESPN, which is
Speaker 1: very exciting.
Speaker 3: From the ESPN podcast First Gist Draft with with Mail
Speaker 3: Kuiper Junior.
Speaker 1: Which is really exciting. If you guys are into draft stuff,
Speaker 1: which we obviously are, it's very exciting to have a
Speaker 1: guy with that connection. And again, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've listened to First Draft, but he does a great
Speaker 1: job with his own takes and has some really interesting
Speaker 1: stuff to say about one quarterback in particular and gives
Speaker 1: a very fleshed out thought on it.
Speaker 3: For Yeah, so stick around to hear that absolutely all right,
Speaker 3: before we begin breaking down our prospects that we watched today,
Speaker 3: which was the defensive line and linebacker. Yep, that's who
Speaker 3: went on the first day. You're gonna use some terms.
Speaker 3: We're going to use some terms that we're just gonna say.
Speaker 3: We don't know if everybody understands what we mean by them,
Speaker 3: and they're kind of universal in the scouting world. But
Speaker 3: just a guy, like before I started this process, I
Speaker 3: didn't know what they meant. Sure, like I guessed at
Speaker 3: what they meant, but I want you to kind of
Speaker 3: tell me what these terms mean that we're going to.
Speaker 2: Be using throughout the week. Yeah, let's do it all right,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start off with it. You're gonna hear
Speaker 2: a lot that guy's twitched up twitchy. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: So twitschy is an interesting term because it kind of
Speaker 1: is a catch all for some terms we're gonna describe later.
Speaker 1: It just means that they are like wired in an
Speaker 1: explosive or athletically explosive way. So a twitched up guy
Speaker 1: is gonna have a nice vertical jump, a nice broad jump.
Speaker 1: He's going to have a nice five ten yard split,
Speaker 1: excuse me. In the drill work, he's going to come
Speaker 1: in and out of his breaks quickly. He's got a snap,
Speaker 1: a decisiveness, a dexterity that is characterized by the explosiveness
Speaker 1: of his movement which shows up. And so you'll Sirills
Speaker 1: has that guy is super twitchy. And it's just basically
Speaker 1: saying like, it's kind of I'm trying to think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Santana Moss is twitched up. He's wired in
Speaker 1: a very specific athletic.
Speaker 2: Of great comp for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's one. And I think it's it's
Speaker 1: a term that I use a lot because I like
Speaker 1: when you know it. It's like when you see it,
Speaker 1: you say it. And that's kind of how I feel
Speaker 1: about that term because it catches kind of a movement
Speaker 1: style that I think is important and it can be
Speaker 1: applied to defensive lineman receivers offensive lineman too. And you're looking,
Speaker 1: and I personally am looking for guys that have a
Speaker 1: certain element of twitch to them, fast twitch, muscle fibers
Speaker 1: and other thing that you might hear. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of what you're looking.
Speaker 2: It's a lot in their hips, their legs.
Speaker 1: Legs for sure, like yeah, legs hips and really just
Speaker 1: like like how they like how it's to me, it's
Speaker 1: almost synonymous with explosiveness, but there's a more of a
Speaker 1: speed component to it.
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, which is great. You said explosiveness,
Speaker 3: because that's the next one. We're gonna say explosiveness and burst. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna say that. So what's the difference between twitchy? Right,
Speaker 3: move that into explosiveness and then a burst. So that's
Speaker 3: got a good burst.
Speaker 1: So I think twitchy kind of applies to I don't
Speaker 1: want to say all movement, but you can be a
Speaker 1: twitchy runner. You can be twitchy kind of with your
Speaker 1: chain of direction. That's kind of how I characterize it.
Speaker 1: And burst is kind of how you start. And so
Speaker 1: there are guys that are more bursty, like coming out
Speaker 1: of their break, coming out of like of a cut,
Speaker 1: just exploding out with powerful, big steps and the stride.
Speaker 1: Lenk's going to look a little bit different, right, like
Speaker 1: a powerful athlete. And I'm trying to think of a
Speaker 1: good comparison, like Miles Garrett for example. You know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have the greatest foot speed of all time, but
Speaker 1: he kind of takes these big explosive strides and he
Speaker 1: covers all this ground. To me, that's an explosive guy
Speaker 1: as opposed to a twitchy guy. You know, I mentioned
Speaker 1: Tanna being twitchy, kind of being able to pick those
Speaker 1: feet up put them down real quick. Like it's almost
Speaker 1: like the ground's got a little bit of a trampoline
Speaker 1: in it when Tanna runs, right, when Miles Garrett runs,
Speaker 1: it's like he's pushing a truck, but he's moving it
Speaker 1: really fast, right, these big, powerful, explosive steps, And that
Speaker 1: to me is more of like that kind of what
Speaker 1: was the term we use there? It's like get off
Speaker 1: burst bursts is what we're talking about there.
Speaker 2: All right, So bursts an explosive kind of the same.
Speaker 1: Very similar, And I think one of the things like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you talk to scouts and when you
Speaker 1: read their reports, like you have to find ways to
Speaker 1: say different stuff, say the same thing differently, so like
Speaker 1: it's boring, right, And it's kind of like, so, for example,
Speaker 1: you're writing a report, you know, we we've done our
Speaker 1: little things on defensive lineman and it's very perfect that
Speaker 1: we're doing it today, and you kind of look at
Speaker 1: player X and you say, oh, he's twitchy. But then
Speaker 1: you look at player why and it's like he's twitchy,
Speaker 1: but it's in a different way. So how do I
Speaker 1: come How do I convey that that he's I like
Speaker 1: his athleticism, but it's different. So might say twitchy for
Speaker 1: this guy. He's bursty or explosive, or he's powerful for
Speaker 1: this other athlete. Right, And you got to kind of
Speaker 1: think aways again to categorize into your mind where it's
Speaker 1: not like if you say everybody's twitchy, you kind of
Speaker 1: lose them in the sauce, right. You kind of got
Speaker 1: to give them different descriptive terms. And that's part of
Speaker 1: this process is kind of fit figuring out what is
Speaker 1: the best way to characterize the guy. You know, Like
Speaker 1: like Robinson from Missouri, what's his first name, Darius Darius Robinson, Right,
Speaker 1: you know, not the most twitchy guy, but is a
Speaker 1: very powerful athlete, a very explosive athlete, and that shows
Speaker 1: up in his play style. And so like that's how
Speaker 1: I remember what he is, right because on the film,
Speaker 1: I say, oh, he's got great hands, he's got strong,
Speaker 1: heavy hands. Right. It's not that he's dexterous with his hands, right,
Speaker 1: It's not that he's very accurate that they that's like
Speaker 1: he's throwing bricks at you with those hands. And again
Speaker 1: those subtle adjectives kind of help paint a picture of
Speaker 1: who the player is compared to, you know, the kid
Speaker 1: from udub the defense trice, thank you yes. So it's
Speaker 1: it's just a nice way to kind of again put
Speaker 1: them in boxes because they're both power players, but there's
Speaker 1: a different style to their power. For example, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then one that we're going to use a lot
Speaker 3: today because the nature of these positions with defensive line
Speaker 3: is going to be.
Speaker 2: Bend yeah versus stiff.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: When you say, oh, he's got nice bend to him,
Speaker 2: he's bendy.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? So for me, bendy it comes
Speaker 1: in like multiple stages, right, But usually you're talking about
Speaker 1: bend around the ankles, So like how do they kind
Speaker 1: of how do they move their center of mass from
Speaker 1: their feet, so like it looks like in some wayss
Speaker 1: like they're almost leaning against a wall because they've got
Speaker 1: these really nice bendy ankles. And if you got bendy ankles,
Speaker 1: you need to have kind of bendy hips. And if
Speaker 1: there's a stiffness, you'll see kind of a segmented movement, right,
Speaker 1: so like your back will move separately from your legs
Speaker 1: and when you're really bendy, they kind of move in
Speaker 1: unison to accommodate the movement you're describing.
Speaker 3: Right, it's almost like dancing bendy person normally a good dancer,
Speaker 3: the stiff person not. Their shoulders are connected to their hips.
Speaker 3: They just do the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about like Chop Robinson two
Speaker 1: a little bit later, and like CHOP's a extremely explosive athlete.
Speaker 1: I think probably wins the combine for today, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of his explosive measurements, but when he does
Speaker 1: some of the field work, you see some of the
Speaker 1: physical restriction that he has, specifically in his upper back,
Speaker 1: and you say, oh, that limits his ability to be
Speaker 1: an elite bender as opposed to some other guys we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about as well.
Speaker 3: Well, let's jump right into it. You just mentioned Chop Robinson.
Speaker 3: Let's go defensive ends. Let's start with defensive ends. Yes,
Speaker 3: they were the second group to go today, but they're
Speaker 3: the most fun to talk about.
Speaker 1: They are very fun at talking about.
Speaker 3: So you mentioned Chop Robinson. Yes, so Chop Robinson ran
Speaker 3: in the second group. Okay, so there's a weird thing
Speaker 3: that happened. They were the third group was supposed to
Speaker 3: be linebackers, but Dallas Turner ended up being in that group,
Speaker 3: same with Chris Braswell. This is weird, which is weird
Speaker 3: because they're definitely ends like sedges. Yeah, yeah, edges. So
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why they ran with linebackers and did
Speaker 3: linebacker drills. But if you chop, Robinson was the fastest
Speaker 3: forty time in the second group with all the ends
Speaker 3: or edges with a four to four eight, But Dallas
Speaker 3: Turner ran in the third group with a four to
Speaker 3: four six. So those were the two fastest forty times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we knew both those guys were gonna test
Speaker 1: really well, like all you know, like when you watch
Speaker 1: and I think this is the important thing about the
Speaker 1: combin understand like when you watch Dallas Turner, when you
Speaker 1: chop Robinson, you understand that they're like explosive physical freaks, right,
Speaker 1: And one of the things that comes out of today
Speaker 1: is you see some again Chop. I think he jumped
Speaker 1: really well, he ran really well, his ten yards split
Speaker 1: was great, but then when you get to the field work,
Speaker 1: you see some of that restriction and then you compare
Speaker 1: that athlete, for example, to a guy like Lattu, who
Speaker 1: was incredibly bendy, like when they do they time the
Speaker 1: figure eight drill they do, which is where they put
Speaker 1: these two big hula hoops on the ground right that
Speaker 1: are about you know, probably five yards across, fifteen yards
Speaker 1: in diameter, and they run circles around them, and so.
Speaker 3: They have to grab a pick it up, set it
Speaker 3: down on the other end while they're running, so they're
Speaker 3: bending down, up and down like a roller coaster.
Speaker 1: And they did. So they did a great thing in
Speaker 1: terms of like the broadcast where they had a lot
Speaker 1: to doing his rep and he doesn't lose speed. He
Speaker 1: kind of maintains about ten miles an hour throughout the thing.
Speaker 1: Then they have Chop come up and Chop while having
Speaker 1: a better total miles per.
Speaker 2: Hour twelve or thirteen or something.
Speaker 1: Well on the current on the turns drops into like
Speaker 1: that six range right, And it's because to me, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have that elite bend to his game.
Speaker 2: That last does slow down the getaway.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with like Jared Verse, who again,
Speaker 1: like Jared Vers, absolutely murdered today. And I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I think it's very one of the things when you
Speaker 1: watch the drills like one after another, Like the varsity
Speaker 1: football players, those kind of first three round guys kind
Speaker 1: of come to the forefront like they test the best,
Speaker 1: they move the best in the drills. But one of
Speaker 1: the great things about getting these guys back to back
Speaker 1: to back to back is you can say Jared Verse
Speaker 1: explosively dynamic, right, and that shows up on his film,
Speaker 1: like he's this great power profile rushier, heavy hats, heavy hands.
Speaker 1: But I've always like, when you watch this film, has
Speaker 1: a hard time turn in the edge. So when you
Speaker 1: watch some of the fieldwork stuff today, for example, you
Speaker 1: watch the figure eight drill, you watch the bag drills,
Speaker 1: you see some of that restriction in his hips, and
Speaker 1: it poses a question, I think when you watch him
Speaker 1: despite all these tremendous explosive measurements, where it's like, will
Speaker 1: he be able to turn the corner consistently consistently against
Speaker 1: an NFL offensive lineman, because that NFL offensive lineman is
Speaker 1: going to eat that bull rush like if you only
Speaker 1: got one trick, even if it's a good trick, they're
Speaker 1: going to figure out real quick. And are you too
Speaker 1: stiff to work to the perimeter? When you watch a
Speaker 1: Lot two again, didn't test physically as well. Right, he
Speaker 1: ran like a four to six five. He jumped okay,
Speaker 1: then he jump thirty five inches something like that. Right,
Speaker 1: do you have it in front of you.
Speaker 2: I don't have to jump. He ran a four six
Speaker 2: four and then a four to sixty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like that for him is excellent because
Speaker 1: everyone thought he was going to be this kind of
Speaker 1: subpar athlete. But I think for what you're working on
Speaker 1: and what you're looking for there is it kind of
Speaker 1: fits with how the with his with his skill set,
Speaker 1: which is this dynamic, super bendy, super skilled pass rusher.
Speaker 3: So let's use Chop Robinson, who ran the second fastest
Speaker 3: time with a four to four eight, which is very good.
Speaker 3: With Leyatu Latu ran up four to sixty four. Now
Speaker 3: the talk is Leatu Latou will probably go higher, maybe
Speaker 3: even in the top ten, or Chop may fall to
Speaker 3: the second round. He could be a target for the
Speaker 3: commanders in the second round.
Speaker 2: Ye, So wait a minute.
Speaker 3: If this guy is super explosive, as you were saying
Speaker 3: in Chop Robinson and runs a four four eight and
Speaker 3: just flies, why is he.
Speaker 2: Falling to the second round.
Speaker 3: And then you have a guy like layoutu latu, who's
Speaker 3: running a four six four four six pedestrian not bad,
Speaker 3: but pedestrian.
Speaker 2: But he's gonna go top ten. Wait why?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I think that's a really good question. And
Speaker 1: edge rushers are probably, honestly, of anybody in the combine,
Speaker 1: the easiest to evaluate because there's a very simple formula
Speaker 1: to follow. One is do they meet athletic thresholds? So like,
Speaker 1: for example, with lat two, like, that's not the fastest
Speaker 1: forty of all time, but well within kind of the
Speaker 1: normal variants you see for the position, right, Like, for example,
Speaker 1: there's guys that are run slower than them. Those guys
Speaker 1: are gonna run faster than him.
Speaker 2: He's kind of like he's right in the middle of
Speaker 2: that belly.
Speaker 1: You're back in the middle, right, That's okay. Right. The
Speaker 1: other element of defensive endplay, and in addition to meeting
Speaker 1: athletic thresholds is production on the field. It is incredibly
Speaker 1: The correlation between production and college and production in the
Speaker 1: NFL given athletic thresholds is incredibly high. So a good
Speaker 1: example is Walker from who got d justed by Jackson
Speaker 1: Bill who played at Georgia last year two years ago,
Speaker 1: was the first was the first pick overall over Adon Hutchinson, right,
Speaker 1: he was the freakiest guy ever at the Combine and
Speaker 1: he ran a four or five at two seventy as
Speaker 1: el drill was insane, His vertical jump was insane. But
Speaker 1: his college production wasn't there, right, because there is a
Speaker 1: an art to understanding kind of the positioning and leverage
Speaker 1: of you as a pass rusher in relation to the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, despite my size, despite my length, And that's
Speaker 1: why you see guys who are freakish of proportion and
Speaker 1: athletic profile not be productive in the NFL. So a
Speaker 1: Lot Too has maybe the best production film of anybody
Speaker 1: in this draft class. So he just needed to kind
Speaker 1: of come in at a very minor be here, Does
Speaker 1: that make sense what I'm saying? Yeah, And he met
Speaker 1: that physically. His film's excellent, so put that in there.
Speaker 1: He answers all the questions. He's probably a top ten pick, right,
Speaker 1: maybe top fifteen, the top fifteen for sure.
Speaker 3: The other thing that the Combine does is these drills
Speaker 3: that they run after their measurables help you support what
Speaker 3: you're seeing on film. So we'd chop, for example, very
Speaker 3: explosive in the measurables. Right, and then like you said,
Speaker 3: with the hoop drill, the figure eight drill, slowing down,
Speaker 3: speeding up. Right, So when you look at his film,
Speaker 3: you say he's got one trick. It is a fantastic trick.
Speaker 3: But he a fast and furious hit zero to sixty
Speaker 3: as fast as you can live in his life, a
Speaker 3: quarter million a quarter mile at a time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But if he can't use that burst and explosiveness, he
Speaker 3: doesn't have enough bend and he doesn't have the hand
Speaker 3: movements to get around and make something else happen. Where's
Speaker 3: leati Allatu? His film shows, Yeah, he's not going to
Speaker 3: be as exposed as I drop off the line, but
Speaker 3: his hands are like Jean Claude van dam Ye right,
Speaker 3: he's just and he's got all these different pass rush moves.
Speaker 3: He keeps maintaining his speed. He can super bad.
Speaker 2: You said it.
Speaker 3: He looks like water running over a book, right, Just
Speaker 3: how smooth he is. And so that's why he's going
Speaker 3: higher than Chop because he doesn't have these measurables, but
Speaker 3: good lord, he can make. He has so many weapons
Speaker 3: in his arsenal that it's hard for an offensive lineman
Speaker 3: to figure out what this guy is gonna do.
Speaker 1: He definitely has the artistry of the position, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that's like what makes him special. And
Speaker 1: then again you compare him to Jared Verse, who again,
Speaker 1: Jared Verse, I think is a very productive college player,
Speaker 1: Like he checks that box and physically does some other stuff.
Speaker 1: But there when you watch the drill work and you
Speaker 1: want when you watch the film that there is a
Speaker 1: restriction in his hips that make you say, can he
Speaker 1: kind of progress to this phase two of being a
Speaker 1: pass rusher and then to kind of bring it for
Speaker 1: a circle? You compare that to Dallas Turner, and Dallas
Speaker 1: Turner is I think probably he probably tested the best
Speaker 1: of any defensive end. I mean he ran the four
Speaker 1: four four seven, four, four to six, He had a
Speaker 1: forty inch vertical, He had a ten eight broad jump
Speaker 1: he had I think it was a one to five
Speaker 1: seven ten, like absolutely murdered the combine physically. The thing
Speaker 1: about him that's fun and I think it kind of interesting,
Speaker 1: is that his film supports that athletic profile and it
Speaker 1: supports the bend and then you watch the drill work
Speaker 1: today and the drill work says, Okay, that's who he
Speaker 1: is on film, so like, there's no question, and I.
Speaker 2: Think like supplementing what you're seeing.
Speaker 1: So I think like in terms of the evaluation, given
Speaker 1: what we saw today, right, like, Dallas Turner is who
Speaker 1: he thought he was. He was going to be a freak.
Speaker 1: He's bendy, he's athletic, he's very raw from a technical standpoint,
Speaker 1: but he's such a freak athlete that he was able
Speaker 1: to be productive in college show. The production elements there
Speaker 1: a lot too, again kind of compared to the other guys,
Speaker 1: kind of a medium level athlete, but has the artistry
Speaker 1: in the and the kind of genes si quab the
Speaker 1: position to kind of move him up boards. And then
Speaker 1: that's why today, honestly, i'd probably bump Jared versus down
Speaker 1: one right, just because the tightness and restriction you saw,
Speaker 1: despite the athletic measurables, make me uncertain about his progression.
Speaker 1: And then you compare that to Chopp again, who has
Speaker 1: kind of average college production with an elite athletic profile,
Speaker 1: and to me that adds at of doubt. Given the
Speaker 1: history of evaluating the defensive end edg rusher position, he's
Speaker 1: going to be kind of maybe into the first round,
Speaker 1: high second round type of pick and I think that's
Speaker 1: totally justified based on this performance today, coupling that with
Speaker 1: his tape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the point of the combes, right. The
Speaker 3: combine is not going to move somebody into a second
Speaker 3: round or first It's not going to well it might,
Speaker 3: but it's not.
Speaker 2: Going to be a major mover.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right. What I mean by that is you're not suddenly
Speaker 3: going to be a mid second rounder and then move
Speaker 3: into the top ten based on a combine. It's supposed
Speaker 3: to support what you saw on film and be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this validates my scouting report, or something surprises you and
Speaker 3: you say, oh, I need to go back and see
Speaker 3: if I missed something on him.
Speaker 2: That's the point of the combine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like A really good example of that, I think
Speaker 1: is the defensive tackle. You know, Makai Wingo from LSU,
Speaker 1: Like he crushed the combat today. He looked great in
Speaker 1: all the drills and you're like, man, did I I
Speaker 1: miss this guy? Like what's going on? And then you
Speaker 1: go back and you watch a couple of games in
Speaker 1: between when the defensive tackles leaving the edg rushers come.
Speaker 3: Out here, which is what Logan did by the way.
Speaker 3: That's how devoted he is to this. We were in
Speaker 3: break from one group to the other and he goes
Speaker 3: that Wingo Kid's good, pulls out his phone, pulls up
Speaker 3: the tape, and just starts watching tape on the.
Speaker 1: Gay Yeah, and so that is so. Then I thought, man,
Speaker 1: I missed this guy. Didn't It didn't hit him my
Speaker 1: evaluation or whatever. And you see that all of the
Speaker 1: athletic stuff that you think would make him special at LSU,
Speaker 1: he didn't have the the artistry that a guy like
Speaker 1: Klaijah Kansi had last year, where he's got these incredible
Speaker 1: hands and feel for his distance between the rusher. He's
Speaker 1: just an athletic guy with good bend that hasn't really
Speaker 1: put all together yet. So it was it was so
Speaker 1: again it made me go back with this specific player
Speaker 1: and say that I mess this up. And then you say,
Speaker 1: oh no, like, actually, my film was right. You see
Speaker 1: some of the movement skills, but the consistency of that
Speaker 1: artistry element isn't there for him in the way that
Speaker 1: it is for the other players we just described.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to be clear, it's not like
Speaker 3: we're saying that the people that test well here it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: well if.
Speaker 2: The film doesn't support it, then this doesn't matter at all.
Speaker 2: We forget it.
Speaker 3: No, Like a guy like Chop Robinson, like you're saying
Speaker 3: the productions gup, but you like looking at what he's
Speaker 3: got there, and you can say, if we get a
Speaker 3: good coach with him, if we get a good program,
Speaker 3: now we have intangibles or not intangibles, actual things we
Speaker 3: can measure that. Like you we can't teach you can't
Speaker 3: teach his speed at his size, So you can say, well,
Speaker 3: we can teach him a couple of pass rush moves,
Speaker 3: we can teach him how to be dissiple, or just.
Speaker 1: How we're going to utilize him like on stunts and
Speaker 1: loops and all this kind of stuff. And so again,
Speaker 1: I still think CHOP's a good player. It's just the
Speaker 1: other players we talked about are really good, right, like
Speaker 1: because they.
Speaker 2: Have those things and they've shown production.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And again, other guy, like another guy
Speaker 1: that didn't test super well today was Darius Robinson from
Speaker 1: Missouri didn't run fast, right, But I think the other
Speaker 1: thing is like I didn't expect him to run fast.
Speaker 1: Dude's two hundred ninety pounds.
Speaker 2: And that's not the style he plays.
Speaker 1: He's not expecting. He plays with this tremendous power. So
Speaker 1: when he does the gauntlet drill and he's running through
Speaker 1: the bags like it's like he's throwing, like you know,
Speaker 1: George Forman Haymakers, because that's like, what do you expect
Speaker 1: from him.
Speaker 2: He's got sledgehammers, arms, He's.
Speaker 1: Got good enough movement skills. He's he jumped thirty five inches,
Speaker 1: so obviously there's an explosive element to his game that
Speaker 1: didn't show up in the forty. And the other thing
Speaker 1: about the forty that gets a little bit dice. He
Speaker 1: is guys like track guys run forty's better. So that's
Speaker 1: why you have those other jump measurements to kind of say, hey,
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't show his explosiveness in the forty. But
Speaker 1: he jumped thirty five inches, he had a plus ten
Speaker 1: foot broad He's an explosive athlete. It just didn't show
Speaker 1: up in this specific level of testing. So again, like
Speaker 1: that's where you kind of weigh in. He was very productive,
Speaker 1: showed these explosive measurements were good. He is the style
Speaker 1: player in terms of drill work that we saw on tape,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't really change my evaluation too much. I
Speaker 1: hope other people change their evaluation because I hope he slides,
Speaker 1: and hope he's there at thirty six when Washington fis
Speaker 1: because I think that'd be awesome. Yes, but I don't
Speaker 1: think after today, I don't think it changes anything in
Speaker 1: terms of his Heay, he stays played.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we know what he is. He's a good football.
Speaker 3: Player, absolutely, and uh okay, So we've talked about a
Speaker 3: lot of the top end guys, first round guys, and
Speaker 3: like you said, guys that may not be there all right,
Speaker 3: So what I want you to do is a couple
Speaker 3: of guys that the combine made you say what we
Speaker 3: saw today? You go, oh, raise an eyebrow. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: a guy the Commanders can target even in these later rounds.
Speaker 3: Because that's the thing about the combine is like there
Speaker 3: could be fourth round, fifth round talent here that the
Speaker 3: combines make you say, oh, okay, there's something I can
Speaker 3: work with here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so one hundred percent. Then I think the guy
Speaker 1: that I just kept talking about every time he was
Speaker 1: up was Marshawn Keelan from Western Michigan. And he's a
Speaker 1: guy that I liked at the Senior Bowl. I liked
Speaker 1: his tape a lot, very raw from a production standpoint,
Speaker 1: but plays with a tremendous motor and again didn't test crazy.
Speaker 1: I think he ran like a four to seven at
Speaker 1: two seventy five. So big guy, but the way he
Speaker 1: bent and moved and the athleticism that he showed, like
Speaker 1: they threw him a pass today and he jumped up
Speaker 1: and caught it with one hand, and you're like, this
Speaker 1: guy's two seventy five, and so just that kind of again,
Speaker 1: the non explosive athleticism, the kind of that subjective, the bend,
Speaker 1: the sinking of the hips, the change of direction, the
Speaker 1: kind of dexterity with your feet. I just was like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy just keeps flashing and showing up at a
Speaker 1: really really highlight high level. Mohammad Karma, I think, is
Speaker 1: how you say his name from Colorado State is a
Speaker 1: guy that shows tremendous burst when he's rushing the passer
Speaker 1: at Colorado State showed tremendous birth burst. Here ran a
Speaker 1: four or five eight. I think it was the third
Speaker 1: fastest forty times.
Speaker 2: He even bumped it down a four or five seven.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was cooking and it was It's awesome to
Speaker 1: watch that guy because again, smaller school guy showed something
Speaker 1: on film that gets you excited and what the thing
Speaker 1: I love is. For example, there's a guy from from Kansas,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say his name, who everyone thought that
Speaker 1: was going to measure and test. Is this crazy explosive
Speaker 1: pass rusher didn't quite get it done today, but Comra
Speaker 1: comes out and does it and says, Oh, all that
Speaker 1: stuff I saw on film that burst here it is jumped,
Speaker 1: well moved. Well, love that. And I think the other
Speaker 1: one is the guy from Texas Tech. What's his name,
Speaker 1: Miles Cole, And Miles Cole is a as project as
Speaker 1: projects come. But he's six ' five, he's two to eighty,
Speaker 1: he's got thirty seven inch arms, and he ran a
Speaker 1: four to six eight. So you just can't like talk
Speaker 1: about stuff you can't coach and people you might want
Speaker 1: to take a flyer on. Again. His tape's okay, it's fine.
Speaker 1: He plays like a five technique in college, so he
Speaker 1: plays head up over the over the of the tackle,
Speaker 1: which is a tough spot to be productive fun. I'm
Speaker 1: sure if you gave him a simpler set of instructions
Speaker 1: and said, just run as hard as you can at
Speaker 1: this offensive lineman and get a sack. You might get
Speaker 1: more production from him, But the way he moved for
Speaker 1: that size, I'm like that talk about stuff you can't
Speaker 1: coach that. It for a value pick, like in the
Speaker 1: fourth their fifth round. You're just like, it's going to
Speaker 1: be too good to pass up because there's only a
Speaker 1: couple of people on the face of the earth that
Speaker 1: look like that. Now, is he going to develop? I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm gonna well, that's why he's a
Speaker 1: fourth letter, But I'm gonna bet on that. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bet on that guy in terms of a guy
Speaker 1: that you could say, hey, let's let's get him in
Speaker 1: the building with a good d line coach, in the
Speaker 1: right system, the right culture, and let him develop and
Speaker 1: become something special.
Speaker 2: All right, anybody uh in the linebacker crew.
Speaker 1: The linebacker crew, let's start tackle or are we just talking?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk detackle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I was gonna say linebacker only because we had
Speaker 3: the weird thing with a Turner.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Obviously Turner crushed it like he was fantastic
Speaker 1: and braswell. But I think Braswell is going to be
Speaker 1: a late first early secondround pick. So I don't think
Speaker 1: he helped to hurt himself. I think he's exactly what
Speaker 1: you thought. I think Turner made an argue for argument
Speaker 1: for himself today to be the first defensive player selected.
Speaker 1: We'll see what tyran Onnold has to say about it.
Speaker 1: And there was a defensive tackle I thought who also
Speaker 1: made a really good claim.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about detach. Who is that?
Speaker 1: So the guy that I thought had had the day
Speaker 1: on the defensive tackle side was Byron Murphy, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from Texas. And again, this is one of those
Speaker 1: guys much like much like Dallas Turner, who when you
Speaker 1: watch the film, is dynamic. He's a dynamic defensive tackle right.
Speaker 1: He's explosive, he's a penetrator. He's got a great feel
Speaker 1: for when to sink against pressure. He looks different than
Speaker 1: anybody else when he's running drills. He's kind of this
Speaker 1: big muscular dude, but he's got these athletic kind of
Speaker 1: feet and he's just he's a special He's a special guy.
Speaker 1: And he showed that he's a special athlete today. And
Speaker 1: then when you get him in all the drill work,
Speaker 1: the way he bends, the way he moves, the way
Speaker 1: he changes direction, You're just like you're just a cut above.
Speaker 1: And I think like that's the type of guy that
Speaker 1: becomes the first defensive player selected. But you know, other guy,
Speaker 1: Brandon Fist from Florida State ran the fastest forty at
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety five pounds. I think he around
Speaker 1: a four seven five or four seven four, and again
Speaker 1: that's supported by the film. A guy whose motor never
Speaker 1: shuts off. Explosive, dynamic, aggressive, relentless, and that shows up
Speaker 1: and everything he does. He was always finishing farther than
Speaker 1: he should, smacking the bags. Just the footwork and the
Speaker 1: athleticism was off the chart. Now his production was a
Speaker 1: little bit down this year at Florida State, but I
Speaker 1: think after seeing these measurables and a guy that works
Speaker 1: that way, you kind of want to bet on him
Speaker 1: and say that's the guy you want to bet on it.
Speaker 1: And then the guy that nobody was really talking about
Speaker 1: was Chris Jenkins from Michigan. I think he ran a
Speaker 1: four nine four eight something four eight nine and he's
Speaker 1: the son of an NFL guy. Four nine one, Thank
Speaker 1: you for nine to one and he's a big hoss,
Speaker 1: big back, big arms, run stopper. But the way he
Speaker 1: ran and the way he moved, You're like, this guy
Speaker 1: has the potential to be something more, And I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty exciting for a.
Speaker 3: Little bit of context, just a little bit. A sub
Speaker 3: five is pretty darning for the size of these guys.
Speaker 3: So I know, like four nine to one, like some
Speaker 3: people go, but for this because they're not they don't
Speaker 3: see right, these are big boys, dud big.
Speaker 1: Dudes, and so yeah, so for those numbers, and they
Speaker 1: all tested extremely well. So those kind of feel all
Speaker 1: of a sudden like those will be your first three
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. There's other guys we can talk about. I
Speaker 1: think you want to talk about your guy probably demandre
Speaker 1: sweat right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get him out of the way. Yeah I can't.
Speaker 2: You said it once.
Speaker 3: It's like when you see something that shouldn't be you
Speaker 3: can't not look at him.
Speaker 2: So yet, he's huge.
Speaker 3: We've talked about him in the Senior Bowl. Stuff you
Speaker 3: can eat. We walked into the stadium. He's what one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards away from where we are, and
Speaker 3: you can immediately tell that's him.
Speaker 1: He's the biggest, biggest dude out there.
Speaker 2: And he weighed in.
Speaker 3: He didn't weigh in ato Senior Bowl, which is wild
Speaker 3: when he already when he was listed on his college
Speaker 3: site as three sixty five, right, and he's like, I'm
Speaker 3: not weighing in because you all just guess, just guess
Speaker 3: what it is. But he weighed in here, and my
Speaker 3: guy put in work because he weighed in at three
Speaker 3: sixty six, only one pound over.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: Then what they said on his sheet, which I think
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 3: To be honest, he looked a little thinner, which is
Speaker 3: why so I love that.
Speaker 2: Though I love it.
Speaker 3: He was like, look, I got from the Senior Bowl
Speaker 3: until the Combine. I need to put him work to
Speaker 3: weigh a certain way. And that shows me me Jack Jason,
Speaker 3: with my analysis, that is just this guy just decided
Speaker 3: to lose weight and stuck to it.
Speaker 1: And that's a hard thing to do for a big guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a big guy.
Speaker 1: But I think like to just kind of flush that
Speaker 1: out because I think he might be a first round player.
Speaker 1: And again because when you're three sixty six and the
Speaker 1: way we're going to use a couple of words here
Speaker 1: for how powerful he is, for how much Bendy has,
Speaker 1: like it's pretty spectacular, and then again that's supported by
Speaker 1: his film. And the only concern I have is conditioning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's what it is. There's no doubt
Speaker 2: about it. He went, he ran his forty, He ran
Speaker 2: a five to seven, which is good for three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty.
Speaker 3: Six pounds when he's done that, just yeah, you needed
Speaker 3: you could tell that was that took a lot out
Speaker 3: of him, which is fine because that's his superpower is
Speaker 3: being as explosive and as bendy as he is for
Speaker 3: his size.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, that's a superpower.
Speaker 3: And he's going to make a team very happy.
Speaker 1: It's a specific role.
Speaker 2: It's a role he's gonna have. So maybe his first round,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think because of his conditioning, he can't be out
Speaker 3: there all the time.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you ask him to lose.
Speaker 3: More weight than play is superpower, right, So he is
Speaker 3: what he is. He's a run stopper. He's he's gonna
Speaker 3: clog something up and he's gonna come in every now
Speaker 3: and then. So maybe I think I think he'll probably
Speaker 3: slide just because he's going to be a very neut roll.
Speaker 2: But he's going to be very good at that neut role.
Speaker 1: No, I totally agree. So I think those those are
Speaker 1: probably your four I don't know winners for today, I think.
Speaker 1: And then there's a couple guys that I think deserve
Speaker 1: shoutouts as kind of athletic freaks, and you want like
Speaker 1: project guys, maybe third, fourth, fifth round guys. Ruke a
Speaker 1: row Is. I think that's how you say the same No,
Speaker 1: you want a good book John. Yeah. Right, there's another
Speaker 1: Rorow there, but.
Speaker 2: He is tough to say, but he.
Speaker 1: Is very raw, very technically raw. But in terms of
Speaker 1: athletic profile, athletic measurables, he's a guy that you're like, yes,
Speaker 1: like long arms, ran fast, good ten yard split, explosive
Speaker 1: measurables at a guy at close to three hundred pounds
Speaker 1: deserves a shout out. Another guy that people will probably
Speaker 1: talk about is Mason Smith. And so Rouke is a
Speaker 1: very interesting prospect because I think you see that athletic
Speaker 1: profile on film. Right. Yes, Mason Smith is a huge
Speaker 1: man from LSU. He's six six, I think he's three twenty,
Speaker 1: and he ran pretty good. I think he ran he
Speaker 1: ran a five flat forty like really moving, like big,
Speaker 1: big old hoss. But the problem is the film does
Speaker 1: not support that athleticism. So someone will take a shot
Speaker 1: on him because he's big and he moves well.
Speaker 2: He's got those unteachable things.
Speaker 1: And he's got small hands. That's the other thing you
Speaker 1: got to watch out.
Speaker 2: I don't know why does that matter.
Speaker 1: Well, so like for me, like when I look at
Speaker 1: when I when I think about offensive lineman, when I
Speaker 1: think about defensive linemen, and just strength athletes in general.
Speaker 1: So like Strongman, you watch guys on you know TV.
Speaker 1: One of the number one drivers for strength and play
Speaker 1: strength is script strength. And big hands have big grip,
Speaker 1: and so you know if you've got those eleven inch
Speaker 1: hands and you can just rip someone's chest plate off
Speaker 1: because your hands are so strong. And again he had
Speaker 1: eight inch hands, which doesn't seem right eight and a
Speaker 1: half or something like that. Nine and chance for such
Speaker 1: a big man. So that's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: red flag and the weirding in the weird scouting world
Speaker 1: that I live in. But I think the bigger red
Speaker 1: flag is that the film does not support the powerful
Speaker 1: file that you saw today. And I've watched that a
Speaker 1: couple of times, So I don't know if that's coaching.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just not him. He's you know,
Speaker 1: is coming off an injury in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: But had a good day, but had a.
Speaker 1: Really good day, So someone will take a shot. Gabe
Speaker 1: hal ran Fast is tall, little stiff, but I think
Speaker 1: if you can get him in a role and feel
Speaker 1: good about it from Baylor, that's a guy that kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, I would circle. And then I already mentioned
Speaker 1: our guy what's his name, Mackay Wingo had a fantastic day,
Speaker 1: but again the film not quite there for me on him,
Speaker 1: but again a guy that deserves a shout out as
Speaker 1: having those athletic traits that gets you excited.
Speaker 2: All right, let's do linebackers.
Speaker 1: Linebackers, So linebacker is tough man because the linebacker to
Speaker 1: me is kind of like evaluating quarterbacks. And so what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is this is a position that
Speaker 1: you need a certain physical threshold, no doubt. But the
Speaker 1: problem is so much of what you're going to be
Speaker 1: asked to do at the NFL level is mental. So
Speaker 1: the interview process is so incredibly critical for this, and
Speaker 1: we don't have access to that information. So I think
Speaker 1: this group tested in general better than I thought they would.
Speaker 1: But you need to be you have a guy who's
Speaker 1: smart and kind of can do do the things above
Speaker 1: the neck. Like I was talking to a scout last
Speaker 1: night when I was out to dinner, and one of
Speaker 1: the things he said is like linebacker, he said, he said,
Speaker 1: linebackers like quarterback. And I don't physical stuff's important, but
Speaker 1: I need to know you've got the mental side, and
Speaker 1: we just don't have access to that. So guys that
Speaker 1: did well obviously, Wilson Wilson from NC State absolutely, Peyton Wilson,
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson from MC State absolutely crushed the combine today.
Speaker 1: He I think he ran a four point four four
Speaker 1: or four point four three four four three, which is crazy,
Speaker 1: and that shows up, that shows up on film, like
Speaker 1: that dude is running down receivers, he's running down running backs,
Speaker 1: he's getting the sacks, like he.
Speaker 2: Sub four six for this group is good. So he's
Speaker 2: four four to three is great.
Speaker 1: And he's like two thirty. I think he's six ' four,
Speaker 1: Like he's a big old dude. And you know, the
Speaker 1: one criticism I've having him on film as a think
Speaker 1: sometimes he relies too much on his athleticism and his
Speaker 1: injury history is extensive, but I think given the injury,
Speaker 1: his history, and given how I've performed today, given the film,
Speaker 1: he feels like a guy that if Washington was looking
Speaker 1: for a kind of a difference maker at linebacker, I
Speaker 1: could see, honestly them taking him with one of those
Speaker 1: second round packs.
Speaker 2: It seems like he'd be good you said for the Will, right.
Speaker 1: I think so linebacker spot, because he's got like a
Speaker 1: tendency not to like take on blocks. His arms are
Speaker 1: a little short, they're thirty in charms, and again, this
Speaker 1: is one of those things that you know, football scouting
Speaker 1: nerds freak out about. Is the reason it's important is
Speaker 1: that when I'm going up against an offensive lineman who's
Speaker 1: got thirty four inch arms, and he can just envelop
Speaker 1: me kind of regardless of my arm length. So he
Speaker 1: has a hard time, So he tries to jump around
Speaker 1: stuff a little bit more than I was attacking.
Speaker 2: He's trying to shuffle and juke his way around correct.
Speaker 1: But if he's playing WILL linebacker, that's okay because they
Speaker 1: don't have to take on blocks the same way as
Speaker 1: like a MIC or a SAM linebacker, so.
Speaker 3: He would just real quickly Will means weeks, So like
Speaker 3: a Mike means.
Speaker 2: Middle and a Sam means strong side. Yes, just real
Speaker 2: quickly is yes, so like tchnology that's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a will linebacker is going to be he's
Speaker 1: going to out leverage the first double team in most fronts,
Speaker 1: so it's easier for him to take on the block
Speaker 1: because he's just forcing it. Back to the mic, A
Speaker 1: SAM or a mic, you have to take on a
Speaker 1: double team where you are going to be out leveraged,
Speaker 1: and therefore the collision of the block and block destructions
Speaker 1: a little bit more important. Yes, So he's a guy
Speaker 1: that absolutely crushed today. You want to talk about your guy,
Speaker 1: my guy, So like I was going to talk about
Speaker 1: have two of them, I got two guys, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Jeremiah Trotter real quick. And he did
Speaker 1: not run today, but I thought looked good moving around
Speaker 1: and I wish, yeah, he didn't do it to do
Speaker 1: his forty, but he did his five ten five. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he jumped either, but I think on
Speaker 1: the field he looked good. And the thing about him
Speaker 1: that's frustrating for me is he's obviously a smart football player,
Speaker 1: like in terms of having it above the neck. I
Speaker 1: think he's got it, but there is a minimum athletic
Speaker 1: threshold for the position. And I just wanted, I really wanted,
Speaker 1: of all the people, I wanted to see him run
Speaker 1: because I question how fast he is. I think he's
Speaker 1: again a very smart guy. He's got that box checked.
Speaker 1: But can he run with Christian McCaffrey. Can he do
Speaker 1: some of these things he's going to be asked to do.
Speaker 1: Can he carry that number three vertical over the middle
Speaker 1: of the field like Lendon Fletcher always complains about that
Speaker 1: he had to do with Hazlet here. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and again like he'll do it at his problem. London
Speaker 1: was very fast. London ran up four to three. But
Speaker 1: I think that's a guy that you kind of say,
Speaker 1: you know, like where are you physically? And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that was another guy that was kind of in the top,
Speaker 1: the guy from North Carolina. Where's his name? I can't
Speaker 1: find him on here, but he is a guy that
Speaker 1: I thought did have a nice job today, did a
Speaker 1: good good job. And when he talked to scouts, yeah great,
Speaker 1: that's right. When he talked to scouts, a lot of
Speaker 1: them like him better than Wilson, just as a point
Speaker 1: of comparison because he takes on blocks a little bit
Speaker 1: more physically. So those are kind of the three top
Speaker 1: guys from the group that weren't edge rushers, so not
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner and not braswell.
Speaker 2: So you had two, I did have two.
Speaker 1: I did have two favorites.
Speaker 2: And it was weird so.
Speaker 3: How you were saying it, Like you didn't look at
Speaker 3: their number anything, Like you didn't see their number, their
Speaker 3: name wasn't up on the screen. You were just like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's yeah, that's I'll say. I'll say it for you.
Speaker 3: That was John Tree Hunter from Georgia.
Speaker 1: State, Georgia State.
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, that's that's Hunter. That's because you
Speaker 3: could tell by the way he was moving you liked it.
Speaker 1: And I did like it. And I think the thing
Speaker 1: about it is it wasn't I liked, you know, I
Speaker 1: think he ran. I don't know if he ran even
Speaker 1: but like in the drill work, in the drill work,
Speaker 1: he's not slipping, he's not putting his hands down, he's
Speaker 1: not taking wasted steps. And with linebacker, you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about bending a lot with defensive line edge rushers
Speaker 1: and explosiveness. I just felt like he was always in control,
Speaker 1: but he was always moving fast, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think that's something that I like to see in my linebacker. Right,
Speaker 1: He's got to be smart, he's got to be dexterous.
Speaker 1: And I think when I watched his film at Georgia State,
Speaker 1: I liked it, and so it was nice to see
Speaker 1: that that athletic profile, that kind of composure and awareness
Speaker 1: of your feet showed up for me and in the
Speaker 1: drill work. And then the other guy that I liked
Speaker 1: a lot today was Liam Eichenberger. Not Liam, his bunny, Tommy,
Speaker 1: his brother's Liam, Tommy Tommy, and Tommy is a guy
Speaker 1: that didn't run. I have some questions about his athleticism,
Speaker 1: but everything looks smooth for him, much like it did
Speaker 1: for Hunter. And I just I like the way he
Speaker 1: caught the football. I like the way he did his drops.
Speaker 1: I like the way he moved, and that to me,
Speaker 1: also shows up on tape. And so if you're looking
Speaker 1: for a linebacker's linebacker and I've made this mistake the
Speaker 1: past couple of years, so maybe I'm over correcting. Just
Speaker 1: to be totally candid, is I've gone after athletic traits
Speaker 1: at the position a little bit more. I thought that's
Speaker 1: more important. But when you look at the guys that
Speaker 1: have been successful, the Nick Boltons of the world, I
Speaker 1: forget the guy's name who but he plays in New
Speaker 1: Orleans at the moment, they're not these athletic freaks freaks,
Speaker 1: but they're smart, physical football players. And I think both
Speaker 1: of those guys kind of meet that billing. So if
Speaker 1: you want a linebacker that's gonna pop up maybe later
Speaker 1: in the draft that I think could add a lot
Speaker 1: of value. And I'm talking later. I think I think
Speaker 1: i can Burg will probably be a third or fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, and then Hunter, I think will probably be
Speaker 1: like a fifth, sixth, seventh round guy. But I think
Speaker 1: a guy that has an athletic profile that adds. Another
Speaker 1: guy that I also wanted to bring up was the
Speaker 1: guy from you Dub Gosh, what's his name? You Dub,
Speaker 1: you Dub, you Dub. He's got some crazy name. Can
Speaker 1: you find it for me, Jason, because you're a beast.
Speaker 1: But test it off the charts, like test it absolutely,
Speaker 1: like off the charge forty inch vertical around four to
Speaker 1: five was awesome, But in some of the drill work.
Speaker 2: Looks I am talupa fatigue the other one.
Speaker 1: There's two of them. Now there's two you Dub guys.
Speaker 1: But but test it off the charts, say yes, say
Speaker 1: go for it. That's why I don't want to say.
Speaker 2: It Edo farm yep Yla Fashio.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's right, but that's close enough.
Speaker 2: We have our pronunciation.
Speaker 1: You dub guy tested crazy. But sometimes you don't see
Speaker 1: that athlete on the field, and that's something that always
Speaker 1: makes me a little bit nervous about the combine. And
Speaker 1: then linebacker. To me, it's like quarterback. It's really really
Speaker 1: hard hard to find the right guy. But those are
Speaker 1: some names I just wanted to kind of put on
Speaker 1: fans radar as guys that I liked, some guys I
Speaker 1: didn't like, but the athletic profile works. So just to
Speaker 1: kind of give everybody some food for thought there on
Speaker 1: that position.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can't find his name on the pronunciation sheet
Speaker 3: right now. I promise he needs his flowers. So next
Speaker 3: next podcast tomorrow, I will I will make sure that
Speaker 3: we shout him out and get his name right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, that was the last minute add there for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no no problem, no problem, looking all right. So
Speaker 2: we did it.
Speaker 1: We did it.
Speaker 2: That was today. That happened up everything we watched.
Speaker 1: Also, who is your guy? You had a guy, the
Speaker 1: Notre Dame guy with the with the cornrows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was pretty good.
Speaker 1: He's big guy, big old his name, very smooth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very smooth. One. Let's see, I got it right here,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 2: But his film doesn't support it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't support it. But again, right, but but he looked
Speaker 1: good to long arms, thirty four inch arms, ran well,
Speaker 1: looked super smooth in all the drills. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: another guy there, go right here, So Maurice say that,
Speaker 1: but he's the other guy. That's four guys.
Speaker 2: There so many names, so many, so many.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is like it's hard for me,
Speaker 3: who's like, this is my first time getting involved in
Speaker 3: this process with you of trying to remember these are
Speaker 3: like three hundred guys to try and.
Speaker 1: To recall them on I think there's three hundred and tough.
Speaker 3: It's so I try and keep my notes organized to
Speaker 3: try and find it really quickly, because these guys deserve it.
Speaker 3: They're they're yeah, they're doing a good job. They deserve
Speaker 3: to be called out correctly, and so that's a mistake
Speaker 3: on my end. But I'll make sure that we get
Speaker 3: flowers for that guy from you dub tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I okay, we did it.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow, we're going to have another pod. It's uh, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have some fasts forty times tomorrow because it's going
Speaker 3: to be it's the dba's, the DB's and then the
Speaker 3: tight ends your group, right, So expect perfect evaluations from
Speaker 3: Logan Paulson on the tight ends. But yeah, tomorrow is
Speaker 3: gonna be great. There are a ton of DB's, a
Speaker 3: ton of them. I think it's like the record for
Speaker 3: the most dbs and invited out to.
Speaker 1: The car and we and just to be perfectly candid,
Speaker 1: I've had a hard time getting through all the DB's
Speaker 1: because we don't have access to all. They're all twenty
Speaker 1: two because we've had to kind of beg, borrow and
Speaker 1: steal to get the limited stuff we've had. So we're
Speaker 1: into our best tomorrow. Give you the best insight we
Speaker 1: can on the drills and give our insight on the guys,
Speaker 1: but just know we're behind the apall a little bit there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're super I'm super excited for it. There are
Speaker 2: a lot of good.
Speaker 3: Corners, I think, Yeah, and this is really going to
Speaker 3: help with us, like what you said, like with finding
Speaker 3: film and whatnot and supplementing the film. This is going
Speaker 3: to help us like pick some people out and prioritize
Speaker 3: them for who we need to get jump on the.
Speaker 1: Kind of like we did with the linebackers too. Like
Speaker 1: those names that kind of pop up, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy should go back and watch him. Like that's
Speaker 1: why another reason why I enjoy this process.
Speaker 2: So our fans should be doing this too.
Speaker 3: If they're watching the combine one there and some guy
Speaker 3: looks good to them and they haven't heard that name before.
Speaker 1: I watch them.
Speaker 3: Go YouTube that guy, see his highlights, see is some
Speaker 3: of his every snap or whatever, and like that's how
Speaker 3: you learn who these potential guys in the fourth, fifth,
Speaker 3: sixth round are gonna be. Because the national media picks
Speaker 3: about one hundred people and one hundred guys and that's
Speaker 3: who they talk about. So you're not gonna hear these
Speaker 3: names later. But trust your eyes. See somebody on TV
Speaker 3: you like runs a good forty time, looks good in
Speaker 3: the drills.
Speaker 1: Check it out.
Speaker 3: Go check it out for yourself, right, Like, trust me,
Speaker 3: you're most people's eyes that watch football, Like you may
Speaker 3: not know how to articulate it, but you're gonna see
Speaker 3: it like this, see it.
Speaker 1: This is something that I think is really interesting is
Speaker 1: when you most scouts don't know football the way coaches
Speaker 1: know football, but they know athletic traits, they know those things.
Speaker 1: Then you say this will work on some level, and
Speaker 1: you can tell almost right away when you're watching somebody
Speaker 1: Like I was talking to a scout. He's like, it
Speaker 1: takes about forty plays, And I think that's true. If
Speaker 1: you're really dialed in on it, it'll take about forty plays.
Speaker 1: You'll have a good feel for the guy. I like
Speaker 1: to watch more than that, obviously. I like to watch
Speaker 1: a couple of games on each guy, just to give
Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt. But it's it's it's
Speaker 1: crazy how quickly be like, I don't really like this guy, right,
Speaker 1: like this one thing this guy does, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, trust yourself, you don't. You're exactly right. You don't
Speaker 3: have to be a savant, yeah, to be able to
Speaker 3: look and be like, hey, that looked explosive.
Speaker 1: That's right there.
Speaker 3: Okay, So we had field Yates for PM. He's coming
Speaker 3: up right now. He tells us who he thinks and
Speaker 3: gives some pretty good reasons.
Speaker 1: His argument was very compelled, very.
Speaker 3: Compelling on who we should take at number two? That's
Speaker 3: coming up, win.
Speaker 1: Right out, all right. Very special guests joined the podcast
Speaker 1: today Field Yates, host of the First Draft Podcast, and
Speaker 1: man like I feel like I'm sitting next to Royalty
Speaker 1: a little bit here because you get to work with
Speaker 1: the guy, right, mel Kiper Junior.
Speaker 4: Right, I've got the Kuiper Deyodor around right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How is that working for you? How is it
Speaker 1: working with him? Like? What's his what's like? What is
Speaker 1: that show like with him best?
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be a match. I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to sound like, you know, a company man or whatever,
Speaker 4: but I mean this sincerely. There might not be a
Speaker 4: more genuine, thoughtful person at ESPN. And mel Kiper Jr.
Speaker 4: I don't think you have forty six years of draft
Speaker 4: coverage and I think thirty eight at ESPN without being
Speaker 4: a very good at your job but also treating people
Speaker 4: the right way. What I love about Mail is that
Speaker 4: Mail has every right, based off of his history, to
Speaker 4: ignore anything that I say it doesn't align with how
Speaker 4: he feels about a player, and yet the opposite is
Speaker 4: true at him and I go back and forth on
Speaker 4: a player, and I see the player one way and
Speaker 4: he sees the player a different way. His stance is
Speaker 4: not you're wrong, I'm right. His stance is that's interesting.
Speaker 4: I might go back and look at a couple of
Speaker 4: those things and you brought up. Meanwhile, I'm going to
Speaker 4: go back and think about some of the stuff that
Speaker 4: Meil brought up as well and say, what the heck
Speaker 4: did I miss on this guy? But Mail has been
Speaker 4: such a gracious teammate for so many years, and doing
Speaker 4: the show over the past few years and this year
Speaker 4: in the specific capacity that I am, has been nothing
Speaker 4: short of a.
Speaker 1: Blast and obviously been very gracious with mel and he
Speaker 1: deserves that respect. But you know, I listen to the
Speaker 1: podcast every single week, and I think you do a
Speaker 1: fantastic job with your evaluations. You just had your mock
Speaker 1: draft come out. Yeah, Daniels at two right, that's right
Speaker 1: to Washington commanders, what is the sell? If you're selling
Speaker 1: Jadan Daniels to me? Are are fans? Why is that
Speaker 1: the case?
Speaker 4: So the most important dynamic that I think has to
Speaker 4: be laid out when you're discussing any of these three quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: But let's operate under the idea that Kille Williams goes.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 4: Of the mirrors is that you're not selling Jaden Daniels
Speaker 4: over Drake May. You're selling Jaden Daniels independent of Drake May.
Speaker 4: In this regard, I don't have this incredibly strong belief
Speaker 4: that one of those guys is decidedly better.
Speaker 1: Than the other.
Speaker 4: It's almost like you're looking at two like pristine houses
Speaker 4: in the same neighborhood, and it's just choosing between, like
Speaker 4: which few amenities you like more in one house versus
Speaker 4: the other. If I'm making the Jaden Daniels case, I'll
Speaker 4: start here. There's nothing that a player could have done
Speaker 4: more during a college football season this year than Jaden
Speaker 4: Daniels did. Everybody knows about the rushing. I don't have
Speaker 4: to sit here and tell you all about this rushing ability.
Speaker 4: But back to back season rushing out for one thousand
Speaker 4: yards obviously brings a dynamic that is incredibly difficult to
Speaker 4: account for, and it forces defenses into a bind because
Speaker 4: he's such a gifted thrower as well. You know, recently
Speaker 4: our ESPN sets an information group. I started to kind
Speaker 4: of chew into this draft process a little bit more
Speaker 4: and I've started supplying some numbers and I got giddy
Speaker 4: this past weekend when they sent me the profile on
Speaker 4: Jayden and it just basically confirmed everything that you saw
Speaker 4: when you watch Jaden. It changes the way that you
Speaker 4: can play defensive changes the numbers. Specifically, they dove in
Speaker 4: on the how he fared when defended in zone coverage
Speaker 4: and it was astounding. So the idea, obviously, the idea
Speaker 4: in zone coverage is we don't want to let Jaden
Speaker 4: Daniels beat us with his legs. We're going to kind
Speaker 4: of space things out, like if he can pick us
Speaker 4: apart with his arm, so be it right. Seventy seven
Speaker 4: percent plus completion percentage, seventeen touchdowns, zero picks when facing
Speaker 4: zone covers this year. Then against the pressure, so when
Speaker 4: you bring pressure when you have you know, more than
Speaker 4: four rushers as defined by ESPN, and they have a
Speaker 4: variety of so they track that same deal like twenty touchdowns,
Speaker 4: zero interceptions, seventy one percent completion percentage. So if you
Speaker 4: say to yourself, hey, we're going to bring pressure because
Speaker 4: we wanted to get the ball out quick and we
Speaker 4: don't think that he can. You know, his receivers are
Speaker 4: good enough to beat me on coverage, or we don't
Speaker 4: think he's precise enough of as a passer to throw
Speaker 4: balls into buckets. That's not the case as well. So
Speaker 4: Jaden was just remarkable this past season and the last
Speaker 4: thing at all point to him. And there are a
Speaker 4: million things I aut point two for either of them,
Speaker 4: But in the case here for Jaden Daniels is clutch
Speaker 4: production is a quarterback trait that I value a lot.
Speaker 4: It's how do you perform when the games on the line?
Speaker 4: How do you perform and god to have the situations,
Speaker 4: how do you perform when the moment is biggest? And
Speaker 4: out this past year that no player was better amongst
Speaker 4: these sort of big six quarterbacks, if you will, but
Speaker 4: certainly these big three quarterbacks when the game was kind
Speaker 4: of on the line. You go back and watch games
Speaker 4: this past year, and I'm not going to tell people
Speaker 4: that LSU doesn't have a lot of talent.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 4: Defensively, though they were, This was one of the worst
Speaker 4: LSU defenses in a long time. They changed their entire staff.
Speaker 4: Jayden needed to put up thirty five forty points a
Speaker 4: game for this team to go nine to three. Length
Speaker 4: They did Jaden Daniels against Missouri, a team that was
Speaker 4: awesome this past year and also has at least four
Speaker 4: guys on defense that are going to be drafted. Two
Speaker 4: of them might go in.
Speaker 2: The first round. Got to have a situation.
Speaker 4: Is the fourth quarter on the road, a place that
Speaker 4: was more hostile than it's been in a long time,
Speaker 4: Third and eighths, third and sevens, third and nine's backed
Speaker 4: up inside his own five yard line. Has gotta have
Speaker 4: a situational awareness This past year in execution I thought
Speaker 4: separated him from every other quarterback in the class in
Speaker 4: that specific metric or that specific trait. I think it
Speaker 4: speaks to the idea that I guess every quarterback can
Speaker 4: be read a little bit. It's pretty freaking hard to
Speaker 4: rattle Jaden Daniels. The pressure does not get to him
Speaker 4: like I think it does a lot of other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I agree with Evan you said.
Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. One of the things I would
Speaker 1: point out, though, pressure to sack ratio pretty high, doesn't
Speaker 1: throw over the middle of the field very well. Like,
Speaker 1: what do you say to people that bring that up
Speaker 1: to you, Because obviously the things you mentioned are why
Speaker 1: he's amazing, but there are issues to his game, and
Speaker 1: what do you say to people who bring that up.
Speaker 4: I think the fundamental reality of any quarterback that has
Speaker 4: as much athletic ability as Jaden Daniels is that you
Speaker 4: have to coach that player to understand. And I think
Speaker 4: this is a coachable trait. By the way, the difference
Speaker 4: between the value of the layup that's available in the
Speaker 4: passing game versus the opportunity to use your legs and
Speaker 4: either create a home run with your own legs or
Speaker 4: buy yourself a little bit of extra time and potentially
Speaker 4: hit that home run down the field, that to me
Speaker 4: would be where with your Jade and Daniels. If you're
Speaker 4: coaching Jaden Daniels, it's sometimes you see it, you grip it,
Speaker 4: you rip it if that means you get a sixteen
Speaker 4: yard pickup, and the alternative reality is that you might
Speaker 4: have broken the pocket and rushed for a fifty five
Speaker 4: yard gain. Over the course of a full season, those
Speaker 4: sixteen yard pickups that you're hitting consistently might actually outweigh
Speaker 4: the occasional nothing play that turns into something play. So
Speaker 4: I think it's a coachable trait. I do I think
Speaker 4: that the body armor for Jaden is probably one of
Speaker 4: the biggest question mark, given the fact that there's not
Speaker 4: a huge track record of guys at two hundred and
Speaker 4: five or so pounds. But I think some of that is,
Speaker 4: like I think at all two hundred and five pounders
Speaker 4: are created an equals sure, and it's also hard to
Speaker 4: hit something you can't catch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as we all know, I think that je
Speaker 1: Nail's excellent football player. That's what we're gonna do or
Speaker 1: that was just you think the team should do it too.
Speaker 1: In terms of that second round, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: draft capital there for the Commanders thirty six and forty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything you think they're like in terms of guys that
Speaker 1: you really really like in that range, maybe tackle ed
Speaker 1: rusher or someone.
Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, I was gonna say tackle with the spot
Speaker 4: that I think just is just crystallize to me, because
Speaker 4: I think the fact that like opportunities to get younger
Speaker 4: and also restock the depth overall are important and aligned
Speaker 4: with the board, we could see six, seven, eight first
Speaker 4: round offensive tackles. If a couple of those guys get
Speaker 4: pushed down the board just a little bit, wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4: If we see you know, three or four go in
Speaker 4: the first half of the second round that have what
Speaker 4: I was saw call quote unquote day one grades or
Speaker 4: the potential to be Day one starters.
Speaker 1: This might be a you know.
Speaker 4: Maybe do a little Paul Brothers reunion, that would be
Speaker 4: nice from Patrick Paul, the younger brother of Chris.
Speaker 1: That name always to come up there, he does.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably the little hugging for it, right,
Speaker 4: But just that's an example of those guys that's in
Speaker 4: that probably thirty five to forty five ish range. Kingsley
Speaker 4: Suamataia from BYU pig dancing bear of an offensive tackle.
Speaker 4: There's there's a handful of guys, you know, if a
Speaker 4: Jordan Morgan and Marius MAM's, guys like that are available
Speaker 4: at the top of the second round, I think that's
Speaker 4: sort of the sweet spot for a player of that caliber.
Speaker 1: Awesome man, thank you so much. I really appreciate Thank sure,
Speaker 1: thank you. Riding