WEBVTT - Combine: Day One Breakdown and ESPNs Field Yates | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.480 Welcome into the Ticket of the Draft. On today's episode, Man, 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:04.440 we got some excitings up. We are at the combine. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:06.640 It's late, we're recording this, but this is the most 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.320 up to date, most comprehensive combine recap of day one 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.320 that you're going to get at the drill work. We're excited. 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.880 We got linebackers, defensive line, defensive ends. They did a 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.040 great job. We go through everybody, give you names. You 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.239 know guys are performingly well and guys you might not 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.479 have heard of, guys in the later rounds that you 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:24.120 can keep your eye on at home. Maybe you check 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:25.720 out the film on your own, do something like that. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.600 And we've got a very very special guests Field the 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.320 Eights of the First Draft podcast with mel kiper Junior 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.280 is on and he tells us who he thinks we 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.360 should take at number two. That all starts right out. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.440 Welcome into the Ticket of the Draft, presented by A Sekik, 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.720 the primary ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I am 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.440 Logan Paulson here with just a guy Jason sitting in 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.960 his hotel room. Because we love providing draft content at 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.520 the highest level. What time is it, Jason? 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.040 It is currently nine to nineteen pm. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:00:59.400 And where do we just come from. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.400 We just came from the combine. Every single drill. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.520 We watched it, every single drill. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.319 And I just want to say I'm not salty about it. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.480 But there were a lot of people that were media 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:17.639 that was here, that was producing content, some podcasts, radio hits, 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.840 a lot of them talking about the combine that did 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.559 not enter the combine to watch any drills or stay 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.520 the entire time. People were funneling out through the day. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.720 But because we love our commanders fans, you want to 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.720 give them the absolute best. I made Logan stay in 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:39.199 his seat for the entire time. It started at one o'clock. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.920 It did one o'clock, and we were there until nine o'clock. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:44.280 Five. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.360 Yeah, we got back to the hotel at nine and 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.640 here we go. So we're going to be we may 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.640 be the last podcast out today, but we're going to 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:55.680 be the one, the first one that have complete coverage 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.720 of what happened in the combine Day one. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.760 So well, if I want to talk about something before 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.040 we get into that, Okay, what do we got? 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.520 Okay, something that came out It seems like a long 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.919 time ago because it was earlier today, but big news 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.919 about the combine. Yeah, all right, So Adam Schefter put 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.040 out a tweet. Here was his tweet. Yeah, he said, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:20.639 attending his first combine as the Washington Commander's owner, Josh 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.480 Harris has sat and taken a part of each of 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.799 the six interviews that the team has conducted with the 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:31.000 top quarterback prospects in this draft. Most owners don't attend 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.720 the combine. Harris is not only in Indianapolis, but he's 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.079 a part of the quarterback interview process. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.280 That was from Adam Schefter this morning. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.560 That language by Adam Schefter is like a little bit. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.840 I think it's like it's trying to paint a picture 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.720 that I'm not sure he knows is accurate. Like he's 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.960 in the meeting room. Is he asking questions? Like that's 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.920 my thing. Like if he's just in there, I have 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.679 no problem with that. If if he's just kind of facilitating, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.960 then if he's just in there observing the interview, getting 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.960 a feel for the player, I think that's one hundred 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.000 percent right. Like this is his first year as an owner, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.600 first year head coach, first year GM, not first year, 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.720 but you know what I'm saying. Further Commanders, those guys 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:06.120 are in their. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.119 First time, the first time they're all together. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.760 And I want to kind of see the process in 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.600 acquiring the biggest piece of the franchise moving forward, which 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.560 is the quarterback. And so I don't have any problem 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.119 with him being in there. Obviously, if he comes don 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.720 draft Day and is like Dan, I think you should 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.440 take so and so, because I think he interviewed well, 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.480 I think that's an overstep. But I don't think Josh 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.280 Harris has done anything in this process to indicate that 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:29.239 he would go in that direction. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.600 Yeah, he's even said things that he's not going to 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:32.280 do that, correct. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.560 He just wants to be involved. I have a question 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.160 for you, Yeah, would it be different if that was 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.040 Magic Johnson? 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.160 I think fans would probably differently because he's a sports guy, right, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.760 He's got about He's played sports, he's coach teams, he's 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.320 he's been more hands on than Josh Harris. And I 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.000 think Josh Harris does have a very wide array of 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.360 experience with regards to sports. But I think the perception 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:56.920 is that he's a little bit farther removed, which I 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.760 think is probably how he would like it to be perceived, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.720 because I think that's what he wants. But I do 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.760 think if it's if it's Magic Johnson, it probably feels 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:03.440 a little bit differently. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.320 Yeah, it just comes across. But I want, I don't know, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.560 I love it. I like that he's in the room. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.440 I mean and again like this, and it to me 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.520 it's probably not it's there's probably different ways to do it. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:15.800 You know, there's certain guys that want to be in 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.520 the room. But I think it's like if I was 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.440 a young man, if I was Drake May, if I 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.760 was Jaye Daniels, if I was you know, Panix, if 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.080 I was Nicks, if it was any one of these 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.080 guys and the owners in there, I understand that this 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.640 is a very serious opportunity, right, and that they're taking 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.719 it very seriously, and that I need to make sure 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.040 that I am presenting myself in a way it represents 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.880 the franchise correctly. And I think it adds a little 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.279 bit of gravitas, a little bit of impact to the meeting, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.680 which I think is important. And I think, you know 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.599 is that does every team do it that way? No? 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.760 But is it okay that they're doing in that way? 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.240 Is it okay that he gets to be there and 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.400 be a part of that interview process and hear what 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.880 the coaches are asking and get to understand and know 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.240 that young man. I think that's entirely appropriate. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:55.760 Yeah. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.960 Absolutely, And I also would say I'm not saying Adam 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.680 Schefter is wrong any stretch, but what you said, like 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.600 he worded it, interesting. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.240 Yeah, it was kind of an interesting We were walking. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:10.280 Over today to the stadium. We saw a Cowboys bus 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:10.600 go by. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:11.320 Yeah, no doubt. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.200 That looked an awful lot like something Jerry Jones would 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:14.720 arrive in. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.280 And Jerry Jones is always he's always at the combine. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:18.960 It was the bus was here last year of us. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.599 The notion that owners aren't there and this is a 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:29.039 unique thing we've seen with our eyeballs there and likes, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.080 it's just not true. Owners are involved. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.479 Yeah, and again like this is the given the precedent 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.200 that's here, I think it's it's totally fine that he's involved. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.839 It's just like you don't want him involved, I guess, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.400 in making decisions, but I think here, I think he 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.840 can form an opinion and give his thoughts on leadership. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.800 I think that's another thing too. Man. He's been a 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.200 very successful developer of businesses and teams, and I think 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.160 he understands and has a good feel for what leadership 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.600 looks like. So I if I'm Dan and I say, hey, man, 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.240 what's you think of that guy? This is all well, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:57.880 I think how he commanded the room in a way 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.000 that I liked. I take that input well because I 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.479 think that that is he's had experience in that area. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.839 So yeah, absolutely, And speaking of quarterbacks, because that was 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.680 what they said with six quarterbacks. Speaking of quarterbacks, we 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.640 have a special guest on this podcast, so everybody listening, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.400 stick around. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:15.240 It will be at the end. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.480 It is Field Dates Field Yates from ESPN, which is 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.400 very exciting. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.640 From the ESPN podcast First Gist Draft with with Mail 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:24.680 Kuiper Junior. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.920 Which is really exciting. If you guys are into draft stuff, 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.720 which we obviously are, it's very exciting to have a 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.480 guy with that connection. And again, I don't know if 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.440 you've listened to First Draft, but he does a great 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.680 job with his own takes and has some really interesting 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.600 stuff to say about one quarterback in particular and gives 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.200 a very fleshed out thought on it. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.839 For Yeah, so stick around to hear that absolutely all right, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.320 before we begin breaking down our prospects that we watched today, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.040 which was the defensive line and linebacker. Yep, that's who 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.760 went on the first day. You're gonna use some terms. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.039 We're going to use some terms that we're just gonna say. 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.920 We don't know if everybody understands what we mean by them, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.680 and they're kind of universal in the scouting world. But 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.120 just a guy, like before I started this process, I 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.159 didn't know what they meant. Sure, like I guessed at 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.680 what they meant, but I want you to kind of 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.920 tell me what these terms mean that we're going to. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:14.880 Be using throughout the week. Yeah, let's do it all right, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.600 So I'm gonna start off with it. You're gonna hear 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.400 a lot that guy's twitched up twitchy. What does that mean? 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.880 So twitschy is an interesting term because it kind of 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.200 is a catch all for some terms we're gonna describe later. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.000 It just means that they are like wired in an 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.000 explosive or athletically explosive way. So a twitched up guy 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.240 is gonna have a nice vertical jump, a nice broad jump. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.480 He's going to have a nice five ten yard split, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.680 excuse me. In the drill work, he's going to come 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.560 in and out of his breaks quickly. He's got a snap, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:48.320 a decisiveness, a dexterity that is characterized by the explosiveness 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.240 of his movement which shows up. And so you'll Sirills 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.560 has that guy is super twitchy. And it's just basically 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.360 saying like, it's kind of I'm trying to think, like, 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.520 you know, Santana Moss is twitched up. He's wired in 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.160 a very specific athletic. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.160 Of great comp for that. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.880 Yeah, So that's that's one. And I think it's it's 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.280 a term that I use a lot because I like 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:07.920 when you know it. It's like when you see it, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.400 you say it. And that's kind of how I feel 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.400 about that term because it catches kind of a movement 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.720 style that I think is important and it can be 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.000 applied to defensive lineman receivers offensive lineman too. And you're looking, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.640 and I personally am looking for guys that have a 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.720 certain element of twitch to them, fast twitch, muscle fibers 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.440 and other thing that you might hear. So that's kind 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:25.920 of what you're looking. 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.200 It's a lot in their hips, their legs. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.760 Legs for sure, like yeah, legs hips and really just 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.000 like like how they like how it's to me, it's 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.160 almost synonymous with explosiveness, but there's a more of a 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:39.160 speed component to it. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.520 I would say, yeah, which is great. You said explosiveness, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:45.720 because that's the next one. We're gonna say explosiveness and burst. Yeah, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.160 we're gonna say that. So what's the difference between twitchy? Right, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.240 move that into explosiveness and then a burst. So that's 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:53.000 got a good burst. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.439 So I think twitchy kind of applies to I don't 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.160 want to say all movement, but you can be a 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.720 twitchy runner. You can be twitchy kind of with your 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.000 chain of direction. That's kind of how I characterize it. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.160 And burst is kind of how you start. And so 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.440 there are guys that are more bursty, like coming out 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.480 of their break, coming out of like of a cut, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.320 just exploding out with powerful, big steps and the stride. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.360 Lenk's going to look a little bit different, right, like 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.400 a powerful athlete. And I'm trying to think of a 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.640 good comparison, like Miles Garrett for example. You know, he 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.920 doesn't have the greatest foot speed of all time, but 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.800 he kind of takes these big explosive strides and he 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.480 covers all this ground. To me, that's an explosive guy 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.800 as opposed to a twitchy guy. You know, I mentioned 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.679 Tanna being twitchy, kind of being able to pick those 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.640 feet up put them down real quick. Like it's almost 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.840 like the ground's got a little bit of a trampoline 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.440 in it when Tanna runs, right, when Miles Garrett runs, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.840 it's like he's pushing a truck, but he's moving it 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.360 really fast, right, these big, powerful, explosive steps, And that 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.920 to me is more of like that kind of what 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.719 was the term we use there? It's like get off 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.559 burst bursts is what we're talking about there. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.920 All right, So bursts an explosive kind of the same. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.400 Very similar, And I think one of the things like, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.240 you know, when you talk to scouts and when you 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.600 read their reports, like you have to find ways to 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.480 say different stuff, say the same thing differently, so like 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.400 it's boring, right, And it's kind of like, so, for example, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.400 you're writing a report, you know, we we've done our 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.680 little things on defensive lineman and it's very perfect that 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.600 we're doing it today, and you kind of look at 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.240 player X and you say, oh, he's twitchy. But then 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.040 you look at player why and it's like he's twitchy, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.600 but it's in a different way. So how do I 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.640 come How do I convey that that he's I like 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.640 his athleticism, but it's different. So might say twitchy for 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.920 this guy. He's bursty or explosive, or he's powerful for 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.000 this other athlete. Right, And you got to kind of 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.319 think aways again to categorize into your mind where it's 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.000 not like if you say everybody's twitchy, you kind of 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.680 lose them in the sauce, right. You kind of got 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.360 to give them different descriptive terms. And that's part of 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.160 this process is kind of fit figuring out what is 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.800 the best way to characterize the guy. You know, Like 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.000 like Robinson from Missouri, what's his first name, Darius Darius Robinson, Right, 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.240 you know, not the most twitchy guy, but is a 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.920 very powerful athlete, a very explosive athlete, and that shows 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.920 up in his play style. And so like that's how 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.079 I remember what he is, right because on the film, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.440 I say, oh, he's got great hands, he's got strong, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.520 heavy hands. Right. It's not that he's dexterous with his hands, right, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.800 It's not that he's very accurate that they that's like 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.959 he's throwing bricks at you with those hands. And again 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.400 those subtle adjectives kind of help paint a picture of 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.320 who the player is compared to, you know, the kid 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:28.600 from udub the defense trice, thank you yes. So it's 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.560 it's just a nice way to kind of again put 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.319 them in boxes because they're both power players, but there's 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.000 a different style to their power. For example, Yeah. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.680 And then one that we're going to use a lot 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.880 today because the nature of these positions with defensive line 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:44.400 is going to be. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:45.760 Bend yeah versus stiff. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:46.080 Yes. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.080 When you say, oh, he's got nice bend to him, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:48.760 he's bendy. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.440 What do you mean? So for me, bendy it comes 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.720 in like multiple stages, right, But usually you're talking about 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.120 bend around the ankles, So like how do they kind 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.199 of how do they move their center of mass from 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.480 their feet, so like it looks like in some wayss 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.520 like they're almost leaning against a wall because they've got 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.520 these really nice bendy ankles. And if you got bendy ankles, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.640 you need to have kind of bendy hips. And if 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.800 there's a stiffness, you'll see kind of a segmented movement, right, 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.800 so like your back will move separately from your legs 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.960 and when you're really bendy, they kind of move in 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.199 unison to accommodate the movement you're describing. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.960 Right, it's almost like dancing bendy person normally a good dancer, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.520 the stiff person not. Their shoulders are connected to their hips. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.120 They just do the. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.600 Yeah, we're going to talk about like Chop Robinson two 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.800 a little bit later, and like CHOP's a extremely explosive athlete. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.880 I think probably wins the combine for today, you know, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.200 in terms of his explosive measurements, but when he does 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.000 some of the field work, you see some of the 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.600 physical restriction that he has, specifically in his upper back, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.880 and you say, oh, that limits his ability to be 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.440 an elite bender as opposed to some other guys we're 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:56.240 going to talk about as well. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.920 Well, let's jump right into it. You just mentioned Chop Robinson. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:03.000 Let's go defensive ends. Let's start with defensive ends. Yes, 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.640 they were the second group to go today, but they're 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:06.760 the most fun to talk about. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.199 They are very fun at talking about. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:12.080 So you mentioned Chop Robinson. Yes, so Chop Robinson ran 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.560 in the second group. Okay, so there's a weird thing 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.000 that happened. They were the third group was supposed to 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.840 be linebackers, but Dallas Turner ended up being in that group, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.760 same with Chris Braswell. This is weird, which is weird 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.200 because they're definitely ends like sedges. Yeah, yeah, edges. So 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.839 I'm not sure why they ran with linebackers and did 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.720 linebacker drills. But if you chop, Robinson was the fastest 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.800 forty time in the second group with all the ends 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.920 or edges with a four to four eight, But Dallas 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.200 Turner ran in the third group with a four to 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.120 four six. So those were the two fastest forty times. 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.400 Yeah, and we knew both those guys were gonna test 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.600 really well, like all you know, like when you watch 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:56.920 and I think this is the important thing about the 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.840 combin understand like when you watch Dallas Turner, when you 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.800 chop Robinson, you understand that they're like explosive physical freaks, right, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:05.840 And one of the things that comes out of today 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.439 is you see some again Chop. I think he jumped 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.000 really well, he ran really well, his ten yards split 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.040 was great, but then when you get to the field work, 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:15.920 you see some of that restriction and then you compare 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.120 that athlete, for example, to a guy like Lattu, who 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.480 was incredibly bendy, like when they do they time the 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.280 figure eight drill they do, which is where they put 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.520 these two big hula hoops on the ground right that 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.320 are about you know, probably five yards across, fifteen yards 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.280 in diameter, and they run circles around them, and so. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.760 They have to grab a pick it up, set it 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.760 down on the other end while they're running, so they're 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.280 bending down, up and down like a roller coaster. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.000 And they did. So they did a great thing in 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.320 terms of like the broadcast where they had a lot 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.600 to doing his rep and he doesn't lose speed. He 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.440 kind of maintains about ten miles an hour throughout the thing. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.240 Then they have Chop come up and Chop while having 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.240 a better total miles per. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.440 Hour twelve or thirteen or something. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.000 Well on the current on the turns drops into like 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.720 that six range right, And it's because to me, he 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.560 doesn't have that elite bend to his game. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.360 That last does slow down the getaway. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.800 And it's the same thing with like Jared Verse, who again, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.360 like Jared Vers, absolutely murdered today. And I think it's interesting. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.160 I think it's very one of the things when you 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.400 watch the drills like one after another, Like the varsity 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.920 football players, those kind of first three round guys kind 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.560 of come to the forefront like they test the best, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.760 they move the best in the drills. But one of 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.040 the great things about getting these guys back to back 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.480 to back to back is you can say Jared Verse 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.560 explosively dynamic, right, and that shows up on his film, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.920 like he's this great power profile rushier, heavy hats, heavy hands. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:46.680 But I've always like, when you watch this film, has 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.640 a hard time turn in the edge. So when you 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.360 watch some of the fieldwork stuff today, for example, you 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.400 watch the figure eight drill, you watch the bag drills, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.080 you see some of that restriction in his hips, and 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.520 it poses a question, I think when you watch him 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.760 despite all these tremendous explosive measurements, where it's like, will 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.080 he be able to turn the corner consistently consistently against 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.040 an NFL offensive lineman, because that NFL offensive lineman is 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.840 going to eat that bull rush like if you only 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.040 got one trick, even if it's a good trick, they're 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.880 going to figure out real quick. And are you too 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.960 stiff to work to the perimeter? When you watch a 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.600 Lot two again, didn't test physically as well. Right, he 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.040 ran like a four to six five. He jumped okay, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.880 then he jump thirty five inches something like that. Right, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:25.680 do you have it in front of you. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.960 I don't have to jump. He ran a four six 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.520 four and then a four to sixty five. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.400 Yeah, and so like that for him is excellent because 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.160 everyone thought he was going to be this kind of 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.480 subpar athlete. But I think for what you're working on 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.480 and what you're looking for there is it kind of 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.880 fits with how the with his with his skill set, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.040 which is this dynamic, super bendy, super skilled pass rusher. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.480 So let's use Chop Robinson, who ran the second fastest 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.680 time with a four to four eight, which is very good. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.800 With Leyatu Latu ran up four to sixty four. Now 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.600 the talk is Leatu Latou will probably go higher, maybe 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.480 even in the top ten, or Chop may fall to 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.720 the second round. He could be a target for the 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:07.920 commanders in the second round. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.240 Ye, So wait a minute. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.040 If this guy is super explosive, as you were saying 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.080 in Chop Robinson and runs a four four eight and 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.000 just flies, why is he. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.120 Falling to the second round. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.720 And then you have a guy like layoutu latu, who's 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.800 running a four six four four six pedestrian not bad, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:26.040 but pedestrian. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.120 But he's gonna go top ten. Wait why? 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.080 Yeah? So I think that's a really good question. And 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.320 edge rushers are probably, honestly, of anybody in the combine, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.520 the easiest to evaluate because there's a very simple formula 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.439