1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Ticket of the Draft. On today's episode, Man, 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: we got some excitings up. We are at the combine. 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: It's late, we're recording this, but this is the most 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: up to date, most comprehensive combine recap of day one 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: that you're going to get at the drill work. We're excited. 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: We got linebackers, defensive line, defensive ends. They did a 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: great job. We go through everybody, give you names. You 8 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: know guys are performingly well and guys you might not 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: have heard of, guys in the later rounds that you 10 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: can keep your eye on at home. Maybe you check 11 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: out the film on your own, do something like that. 12 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: And we've got a very very special guests Field the 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Eights of the First Draft podcast with mel kiper Junior 14 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: is on and he tells us who he thinks we 15 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: should take at number two. That all starts right out. 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Ticket of the Draft, presented by A Sekik, 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: the primary ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I am 18 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Logan Paulson here with just a guy Jason sitting in 19 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: his hotel room. Because we love providing draft content at 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: the highest level. What time is it, Jason? 21 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: It is currently nine to nineteen pm. 22 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: And where do we just come from. 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: We just came from the combine. Every single drill. 24 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: We watched it, every single drill. 25 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 3: And I just want to say I'm not salty about it. 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: But there were a lot of people that were media 27 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 3: that was here, that was producing content, some podcasts, radio hits, 28 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: a lot of them talking about the combine that did 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 3: not enter the combine to watch any drills or stay 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: the entire time. People were funneling out through the day. 31 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: But because we love our commanders fans, you want to 32 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: give them the absolute best. I made Logan stay in 33 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 3: his seat for the entire time. It started at one o'clock. 34 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: It did one o'clock, and we were there until nine o'clock. 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: Five. 36 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got back to the hotel at nine and 37 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: here we go. So we're going to be we may 38 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: be the last podcast out today, but we're going to 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: be the one, the first one that have complete coverage 40 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: of what happened in the combine Day one. 41 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: So well, if I want to talk about something before 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: we get into that, Okay, what do we got? 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: Okay, something that came out It seems like a long 44 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: time ago because it was earlier today, but big news 45 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: about the combine. Yeah, all right, So Adam Schefter put 46 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: out a tweet. Here was his tweet. Yeah, he said, 47 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: attending his first combine as the Washington Commander's owner, Josh 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: Harris has sat and taken a part of each of 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 3: the six interviews that the team has conducted with the 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: top quarterback prospects in this draft. Most owners don't attend 51 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: the combine. Harris is not only in Indianapolis, but he's 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 3: a part of the quarterback interview process. 53 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: That was from Adam Schefter this morning. 54 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: That language by Adam Schefter is like a little bit. 55 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: I think it's like it's trying to paint a picture 56 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: that I'm not sure he knows is accurate. Like he's 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: in the meeting room. Is he asking questions? Like that's 58 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: my thing. Like if he's just in there, I have 59 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: no problem with that. If if he's just kind of facilitating, 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: then if he's just in there observing the interview, getting 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: a feel for the player, I think that's one hundred 62 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: percent right. Like this is his first year as an owner, 63 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: first year head coach, first year GM, not first year, 64 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. Further Commanders, those guys 65 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: are in their. 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 2: First time, the first time they're all together. 67 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: And I want to kind of see the process in 68 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: acquiring the biggest piece of the franchise moving forward, which 69 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: is the quarterback. And so I don't have any problem 70 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 1: with him being in there. Obviously, if he comes don 71 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: draft Day and is like Dan, I think you should 72 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: take so and so, because I think he interviewed well, 73 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: I think that's an overstep. But I don't think Josh 74 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: Harris has done anything in this process to indicate that 75 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: he would go in that direction. 76 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's even said things that he's not going to 77 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: do that, correct. 78 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: He just wants to be involved. I have a question 79 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: for you, Yeah, would it be different if that was 80 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: Magic Johnson? 81 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: I think fans would probably differently because he's a sports guy, right, 82 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: He's got about He's played sports, he's coach teams, he's 83 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: he's been more hands on than Josh Harris. And I 84 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: think Josh Harris does have a very wide array of 85 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: experience with regards to sports. But I think the perception 86 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: is that he's a little bit farther removed, which I 87 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: think is probably how he would like it to be perceived, 88 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: because I think that's what he wants. But I do 89 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: think if it's if it's Magic Johnson, it probably feels 90 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: a little bit differently. 91 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just comes across. But I want, I don't know, 92 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: I love it. I like that he's in the room. 93 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean and again like this, and it to me 94 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: it's probably not it's there's probably different ways to do it. 95 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: You know, there's certain guys that want to be in 96 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: the room. But I think it's like if I was 97 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: a young man, if I was Drake May, if I 98 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: was Jaye Daniels, if I was you know, Panix, if 99 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: I was Nicks, if it was any one of these 100 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: guys and the owners in there, I understand that this 101 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: is a very serious opportunity, right, and that they're taking 102 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: it very seriously, and that I need to make sure 103 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: that I am presenting myself in a way it represents 104 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: the franchise correctly. And I think it adds a little 105 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: bit of gravitas, a little bit of impact to the meeting, 106 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: which I think is important. And I think, you know 107 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: is that does every team do it that way? No? 108 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: But is it okay that they're doing in that way? 109 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: Is it okay that he gets to be there and 110 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: be a part of that interview process and hear what 111 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: the coaches are asking and get to understand and know 112 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: that young man. I think that's entirely appropriate. 113 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 114 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I also would say I'm not saying Adam 115 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: Schefter is wrong any stretch, but what you said, like 116 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: he worded it, interesting. 117 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of an interesting We were walking. 118 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: Over today to the stadium. We saw a Cowboys bus 119 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: go by. 120 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. 121 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: That looked an awful lot like something Jerry Jones would 122 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: arrive in. 123 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: And Jerry Jones is always he's always at the combine. 124 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: It was the bus was here last year of us. 125 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: The notion that owners aren't there and this is a 126 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: unique thing we've seen with our eyeballs there and likes, 127 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: it's just not true. Owners are involved. 128 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like this is the given the precedent 129 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: that's here, I think it's it's totally fine that he's involved. 130 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: It's just like you don't want him involved, I guess, 131 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: in making decisions, but I think here, I think he 132 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: can form an opinion and give his thoughts on leadership. 133 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I think that's another thing too. Man. He's been a 134 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: very successful developer of businesses and teams, and I think 135 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: he understands and has a good feel for what leadership 136 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: looks like. So I if I'm Dan and I say, hey, man, 137 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: what's you think of that guy? This is all well, 138 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: I think how he commanded the room in a way 139 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: that I liked. I take that input well because I 140 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: think that that is he's had experience in that area. 141 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, And speaking of quarterbacks, because that was 142 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: what they said with six quarterbacks. Speaking of quarterbacks, we 143 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: have a special guest on this podcast, so everybody listening, 144 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: stick around. 145 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: It will be at the end. 146 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: It is Field Dates Field Yates from ESPN, which is 147 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: very exciting. 148 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: From the ESPN podcast First Gist Draft with with Mail 149 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: Kuiper Junior. 150 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: Which is really exciting. If you guys are into draft stuff, 151 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: which we obviously are, it's very exciting to have a 152 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: guy with that connection. And again, I don't know if 153 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: you've listened to First Draft, but he does a great 154 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: job with his own takes and has some really interesting 155 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: stuff to say about one quarterback in particular and gives 156 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: a very fleshed out thought on it. 157 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: For Yeah, so stick around to hear that absolutely all right, 158 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: before we begin breaking down our prospects that we watched today, 159 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 3: which was the defensive line and linebacker. Yep, that's who 160 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: went on the first day. You're gonna use some terms. 161 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: We're going to use some terms that we're just gonna say. 162 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: We don't know if everybody understands what we mean by them, 163 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: and they're kind of universal in the scouting world. But 164 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: just a guy, like before I started this process, I 165 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: didn't know what they meant. Sure, like I guessed at 166 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: what they meant, but I want you to kind of 167 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: tell me what these terms mean that we're going to. 168 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: Be using throughout the week. Yeah, let's do it all right, 169 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start off with it. You're gonna hear 170 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: a lot that guy's twitched up twitchy. What does that mean? 171 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: So twitschy is an interesting term because it kind of 172 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: is a catch all for some terms we're gonna describe later. 173 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: It just means that they are like wired in an 174 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: explosive or athletically explosive way. So a twitched up guy 175 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: is gonna have a nice vertical jump, a nice broad jump. 176 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: He's going to have a nice five ten yard split, 177 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: excuse me. In the drill work, he's going to come 178 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: in and out of his breaks quickly. He's got a snap, 179 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: a decisiveness, a dexterity that is characterized by the explosiveness 180 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: of his movement which shows up. And so you'll Sirills 181 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: has that guy is super twitchy. And it's just basically 182 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: saying like, it's kind of I'm trying to think, like, 183 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, Santana Moss is twitched up. He's wired in 184 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: a very specific athletic. 185 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: Of great comp for that. 186 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's one. And I think it's it's 187 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: a term that I use a lot because I like 188 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: when you know it. It's like when you see it, 189 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: you say it. And that's kind of how I feel 190 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: about that term because it catches kind of a movement 191 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: style that I think is important and it can be 192 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: applied to defensive lineman receivers offensive lineman too. And you're looking, 193 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: and I personally am looking for guys that have a 194 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: certain element of twitch to them, fast twitch, muscle fibers 195 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: and other thing that you might hear. So that's kind 196 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: of what you're looking. 197 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: It's a lot in their hips, their legs. 198 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: Legs for sure, like yeah, legs hips and really just 199 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: like like how they like how it's to me, it's 200 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: almost synonymous with explosiveness, but there's a more of a 201 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: speed component to it. 202 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, which is great. You said explosiveness, 203 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: because that's the next one. We're gonna say explosiveness and burst. Yeah, 204 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: we're gonna say that. So what's the difference between twitchy? Right, 205 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: move that into explosiveness and then a burst. So that's 206 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: got a good burst. 207 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: So I think twitchy kind of applies to I don't 208 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: want to say all movement, but you can be a 209 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: twitchy runner. You can be twitchy kind of with your 210 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: chain of direction. That's kind of how I characterize it. 211 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: And burst is kind of how you start. And so 212 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: there are guys that are more bursty, like coming out 213 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: of their break, coming out of like of a cut, 214 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: just exploding out with powerful, big steps and the stride. 215 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Lenk's going to look a little bit different, right, like 216 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: a powerful athlete. And I'm trying to think of a 217 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: good comparison, like Miles Garrett for example. You know, he 218 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have the greatest foot speed of all time, but 219 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: he kind of takes these big explosive strides and he 220 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: covers all this ground. To me, that's an explosive guy 221 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: as opposed to a twitchy guy. You know, I mentioned 222 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: Tanna being twitchy, kind of being able to pick those 223 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: feet up put them down real quick. Like it's almost 224 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: like the ground's got a little bit of a trampoline 225 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: in it when Tanna runs, right, when Miles Garrett runs, 226 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: it's like he's pushing a truck, but he's moving it 227 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: really fast, right, these big, powerful, explosive steps, And that 228 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: to me is more of like that kind of what 229 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: was the term we use there? It's like get off 230 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: burst bursts is what we're talking about there. 231 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: All right, So bursts an explosive kind of the same. 232 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Very similar, And I think one of the things like, 233 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, when you talk to scouts and when you 234 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: read their reports, like you have to find ways to 235 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: say different stuff, say the same thing differently, so like 236 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: it's boring, right, And it's kind of like, so, for example, 237 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: you're writing a report, you know, we we've done our 238 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: little things on defensive lineman and it's very perfect that 239 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: we're doing it today, and you kind of look at 240 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: player X and you say, oh, he's twitchy. But then 241 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: you look at player why and it's like he's twitchy, 242 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: but it's in a different way. So how do I 243 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: come How do I convey that that he's I like 244 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: his athleticism, but it's different. So might say twitchy for 245 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: this guy. He's bursty or explosive, or he's powerful for 246 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: this other athlete. Right, And you got to kind of 247 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: think aways again to categorize into your mind where it's 248 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: not like if you say everybody's twitchy, you kind of 249 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: lose them in the sauce, right. You kind of got 250 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: to give them different descriptive terms. And that's part of 251 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: this process is kind of fit figuring out what is 252 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the best way to characterize the guy. You know, Like 253 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: like Robinson from Missouri, what's his first name, Darius Darius Robinson, Right, 254 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, not the most twitchy guy, but is a 255 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: very powerful athlete, a very explosive athlete, and that shows 256 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: up in his play style. And so like that's how 257 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: I remember what he is, right because on the film, 258 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: I say, oh, he's got great hands, he's got strong, 259 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: heavy hands. Right. It's not that he's dexterous with his hands, right, 260 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: It's not that he's very accurate that they that's like 261 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: he's throwing bricks at you with those hands. And again 262 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: those subtle adjectives kind of help paint a picture of 263 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: who the player is compared to, you know, the kid 264 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: from udub the defense trice, thank you yes. So it's 265 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: it's just a nice way to kind of again put 266 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: them in boxes because they're both power players, but there's 267 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: a different style to their power. For example, Yeah. 268 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: And then one that we're going to use a lot 269 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: today because the nature of these positions with defensive line 270 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: is going to be. 271 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: Bend yeah versus stiff. 272 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: Yes. 273 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: When you say, oh, he's got nice bend to him, 274 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: he's bendy. 275 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: What do you mean? So for me, bendy it comes 276 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: in like multiple stages, right, But usually you're talking about 277 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: bend around the ankles, So like how do they kind 278 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: of how do they move their center of mass from 279 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: their feet, so like it looks like in some wayss 280 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: like they're almost leaning against a wall because they've got 281 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: these really nice bendy ankles. And if you got bendy ankles, 282 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: you need to have kind of bendy hips. And if 283 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: there's a stiffness, you'll see kind of a segmented movement, right, 284 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: so like your back will move separately from your legs 285 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: and when you're really bendy, they kind of move in 286 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: unison to accommodate the movement you're describing. 287 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: Right, it's almost like dancing bendy person normally a good dancer, 288 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: the stiff person not. Their shoulders are connected to their hips. 289 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: They just do the. 290 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about like Chop Robinson two 291 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: a little bit later, and like CHOP's a extremely explosive athlete. 292 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: I think probably wins the combine for today, you know, 293 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: in terms of his explosive measurements, but when he does 294 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: some of the field work, you see some of the 295 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: physical restriction that he has, specifically in his upper back, 296 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: and you say, oh, that limits his ability to be 297 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: an elite bender as opposed to some other guys we're 298 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: going to talk about as well. 299 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: Well, let's jump right into it. You just mentioned Chop Robinson. 300 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: Let's go defensive ends. Let's start with defensive ends. Yes, 301 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: they were the second group to go today, but they're 302 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: the most fun to talk about. 303 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: They are very fun at talking about. 304 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: So you mentioned Chop Robinson. Yes, so Chop Robinson ran 305 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: in the second group. Okay, so there's a weird thing 306 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: that happened. They were the third group was supposed to 307 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 3: be linebackers, but Dallas Turner ended up being in that group, 308 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: same with Chris Braswell. This is weird, which is weird 309 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: because they're definitely ends like sedges. Yeah, yeah, edges. So 310 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 3: I'm not sure why they ran with linebackers and did 311 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: linebacker drills. But if you chop, Robinson was the fastest 312 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: forty time in the second group with all the ends 313 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: or edges with a four to four eight, But Dallas 314 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: Turner ran in the third group with a four to 315 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: four six. So those were the two fastest forty times. 316 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we knew both those guys were gonna test 317 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: really well, like all you know, like when you watch 318 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: and I think this is the important thing about the 319 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: combin understand like when you watch Dallas Turner, when you 320 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: chop Robinson, you understand that they're like explosive physical freaks, right, 321 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: And one of the things that comes out of today 322 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: is you see some again Chop. I think he jumped 323 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: really well, he ran really well, his ten yards split 324 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: was great, but then when you get to the field work, 325 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: you see some of that restriction and then you compare 326 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: that athlete, for example, to a guy like Lattu, who 327 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: was incredibly bendy, like when they do they time the 328 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: figure eight drill they do, which is where they put 329 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: these two big hula hoops on the ground right that 330 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: are about you know, probably five yards across, fifteen yards 331 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: in diameter, and they run circles around them, and so. 332 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: They have to grab a pick it up, set it 333 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: down on the other end while they're running, so they're 334 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: bending down, up and down like a roller coaster. 335 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: And they did. So they did a great thing in 336 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: terms of like the broadcast where they had a lot 337 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: to doing his rep and he doesn't lose speed. He 338 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: kind of maintains about ten miles an hour throughout the thing. 339 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Then they have Chop come up and Chop while having 340 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: a better total miles per. 341 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: Hour twelve or thirteen or something. 342 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Well on the current on the turns drops into like 343 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: that six range right, And it's because to me, he 344 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have that elite bend to his game. 345 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: That last does slow down the getaway. 346 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with like Jared Verse, who again, 347 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: like Jared Vers, absolutely murdered today. And I think it's interesting. 348 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: I think it's very one of the things when you 349 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: watch the drills like one after another, Like the varsity 350 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: football players, those kind of first three round guys kind 351 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: of come to the forefront like they test the best, 352 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: they move the best in the drills. But one of 353 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: the great things about getting these guys back to back 354 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: to back to back is you can say Jared Verse 355 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: explosively dynamic, right, and that shows up on his film, 356 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: like he's this great power profile rushier, heavy hats, heavy hands. 357 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: But I've always like, when you watch this film, has 358 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: a hard time turn in the edge. So when you 359 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: watch some of the fieldwork stuff today, for example, you 360 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: watch the figure eight drill, you watch the bag drills, 361 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: you see some of that restriction in his hips, and 362 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: it poses a question, I think when you watch him 363 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: despite all these tremendous explosive measurements, where it's like, will 364 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: he be able to turn the corner consistently consistently against 365 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: an NFL offensive lineman, because that NFL offensive lineman is 366 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: going to eat that bull rush like if you only 367 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: got one trick, even if it's a good trick, they're 368 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: going to figure out real quick. And are you too 369 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: stiff to work to the perimeter? When you watch a 370 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: Lot two again, didn't test physically as well. Right, he 371 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: ran like a four to six five. He jumped okay, 372 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: then he jump thirty five inches something like that. Right, 373 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: do you have it in front of you. 374 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: I don't have to jump. He ran a four six 375 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: four and then a four to sixty five. 376 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like that for him is excellent because 377 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: everyone thought he was going to be this kind of 378 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: subpar athlete. But I think for what you're working on 379 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: and what you're looking for there is it kind of 380 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: fits with how the with his with his skill set, 381 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: which is this dynamic, super bendy, super skilled pass rusher. 382 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: So let's use Chop Robinson, who ran the second fastest 383 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: time with a four to four eight, which is very good. 384 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: With Leyatu Latu ran up four to sixty four. Now 385 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: the talk is Leatu Latou will probably go higher, maybe 386 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: even in the top ten, or Chop may fall to 387 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: the second round. He could be a target for the 388 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: commanders in the second round. 389 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: Ye, So wait a minute. 390 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: If this guy is super explosive, as you were saying 391 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: in Chop Robinson and runs a four four eight and 392 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: just flies, why is he. 393 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: Falling to the second round. 394 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: And then you have a guy like layoutu latu, who's 395 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: running a four six four four six pedestrian not bad, 396 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: but pedestrian. 397 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: But he's gonna go top ten. Wait why? 398 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I think that's a really good question. And 399 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: edge rushers are probably, honestly, of anybody in the combine, 400 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: the easiest to evaluate because there's a very simple formula 401 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: to follow. One is do they meet athletic thresholds? So like, 402 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: for example, with lat two, like, that's not the fastest 403 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: forty of all time, but well within kind of the 404 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: normal variants you see for the position, right, Like, for example, 405 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: there's guys that are run slower than them. Those guys 406 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 1: are gonna run faster than him. 407 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: He's kind of like he's right in the middle of 408 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: that belly. 409 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: You're back in the middle, right, That's okay. Right. The 410 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: other element of defensive endplay, and in addition to meeting 411 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: athletic thresholds is production on the field. It is incredibly 412 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: The correlation between production and college and production in the 413 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: NFL given athletic thresholds is incredibly high. So a good 414 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: example is Walker from who got d justed by Jackson 415 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: Bill who played at Georgia last year two years ago, 416 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: was the first was the first pick overall over Adon Hutchinson, right, 417 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: he was the freakiest guy ever at the Combine and 418 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: he ran a four or five at two seventy as 419 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: el drill was insane, His vertical jump was insane. But 420 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: his college production wasn't there, right, because there is a 421 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: an art to understanding kind of the positioning and leverage 422 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: of you as a pass rusher in relation to the 423 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, despite my size, despite my length, And that's 424 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: why you see guys who are freakish of proportion and 425 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: athletic profile not be productive in the NFL. So a 426 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: Lot Too has maybe the best production film of anybody 427 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: in this draft class. So he just needed to kind 428 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: of come in at a very minor be here, Does 429 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: that make sense what I'm saying? Yeah, And he met 430 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: that physically. His film's excellent, so put that in there. 431 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 1: He answers all the questions. He's probably a top ten pick, right, 432 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: maybe top fifteen, the top fifteen for sure. 433 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: The other thing that the Combine does is these drills 434 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: that they run after their measurables help you support what 435 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: you're seeing on film. So we'd chop, for example, very 436 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: explosive in the measurables. Right, and then like you said, 437 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: with the hoop drill, the figure eight drill, slowing down, 438 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: speeding up. Right, So when you look at his film, 439 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: you say he's got one trick. It is a fantastic trick. 440 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: But he a fast and furious hit zero to sixty 441 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: as fast as you can live in his life, a 442 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 3: quarter million a quarter mile at a time. 443 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: Right. 444 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 3: But if he can't use that burst and explosiveness, he 445 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: doesn't have enough bend and he doesn't have the hand 446 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: movements to get around and make something else happen. Where's 447 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: leati Allatu? His film shows, Yeah, he's not going to 448 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: be as exposed as I drop off the line, but 449 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: his hands are like Jean Claude van dam Ye right, 450 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: he's just and he's got all these different pass rush moves. 451 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 3: He keeps maintaining his speed. He can super bad. 452 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: You said it. 453 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: He looks like water running over a book, right, Just 454 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: how smooth he is. And so that's why he's going 455 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 3: higher than Chop because he doesn't have these measurables, but 456 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: good lord, he can make. He has so many weapons 457 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 3: in his arsenal that it's hard for an offensive lineman 458 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: to figure out what this guy is gonna do. 459 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: He definitely has the artistry of the position, you know, 460 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: and I think that's like what makes him special. And 461 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: then again you compare him to Jared Verse, who again, 462 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: Jared Verse, I think is a very productive college player, 463 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: Like he checks that box and physically does some other stuff. 464 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: But there when you watch the drill work and you 465 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: want when you watch the film that there is a 466 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: restriction in his hips that make you say, can he 467 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of progress to this phase two of being a 468 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: pass rusher and then to kind of bring it for 469 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: a circle? You compare that to Dallas Turner, and Dallas 470 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: Turner is I think probably he probably tested the best 471 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: of any defensive end. I mean he ran the four 472 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: four four seven, four, four to six, He had a 473 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: forty inch vertical, He had a ten eight broad jump 474 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: he had I think it was a one to five 475 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: seven ten, like absolutely murdered the combine physically. The thing 476 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: about him that's fun and I think it kind of interesting, 477 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: is that his film supports that athletic profile and it 478 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: supports the bend and then you watch the drill work 479 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: today and the drill work says, Okay, that's who he 480 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: is on film, so like, there's no question, and I. 481 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: Think like supplementing what you're seeing. 482 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: So I think like in terms of the evaluation, given 483 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: what we saw today, right, like, Dallas Turner is who 484 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: he thought he was. He was going to be a freak. 485 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: He's bendy, he's athletic, he's very raw from a technical standpoint, 486 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: but he's such a freak athlete that he was able 487 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: to be productive in college show. The production elements there 488 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: a lot too, again kind of compared to the other guys, 489 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of a medium level athlete, but has the artistry 490 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: in the and the kind of genes si quab the 491 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 1: position to kind of move him up boards. And then 492 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: that's why today, honestly, i'd probably bump Jared versus down 493 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: one right, just because the tightness and restriction you saw, 494 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: despite the athletic measurables, make me uncertain about his progression. 495 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: And then you compare that to Chopp again, who has 496 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of average college production with an elite athletic profile, 497 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: and to me that adds at of doubt. Given the 498 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: history of evaluating the defensive end edg rusher position, he's 499 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: going to be kind of maybe into the first round, 500 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: high second round type of pick and I think that's 501 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: totally justified based on this performance today, coupling that with 502 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: his tape. 503 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the point of the combes, right. The 504 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 3: combine is not going to move somebody into a second 505 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: round or first It's not going to well it might, 506 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: but it's not. 507 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: Going to be a major mover. 508 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 509 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: Right. What I mean by that is you're not suddenly 510 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: going to be a mid second rounder and then move 511 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: into the top ten based on a combine. It's supposed 512 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: to support what you saw on film and be like, Okay, 513 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: this validates my scouting report, or something surprises you and 514 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: you say, oh, I need to go back and see 515 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: if I missed something on him. 516 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: That's the point of the combine. 517 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like A really good example of that, I think 518 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: is the defensive tackle. You know, Makai Wingo from LSU, 519 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: Like he crushed the combat today. He looked great in 520 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: all the drills and you're like, man, did I I 521 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: miss this guy? Like what's going on? And then you 522 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: go back and you watch a couple of games in 523 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: between when the defensive tackles leaving the edg rushers come. 524 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: Out here, which is what Logan did by the way. 525 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: That's how devoted he is to this. We were in 526 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 3: break from one group to the other and he goes 527 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: that Wingo Kid's good, pulls out his phone, pulls up 528 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: the tape, and just starts watching tape on the. 529 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: Gay Yeah, and so that is so. Then I thought, man, 530 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: I missed this guy. Didn't It didn't hit him my 531 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: evaluation or whatever. And you see that all of the 532 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: athletic stuff that you think would make him special at LSU, 533 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: he didn't have the the artistry that a guy like 534 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: Klaijah Kansi had last year, where he's got these incredible 535 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: hands and feel for his distance between the rusher. He's 536 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: just an athletic guy with good bend that hasn't really 537 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: put all together yet. So it was it was so 538 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: again it made me go back with this specific player 539 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: and say that I mess this up. And then you say, 540 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: oh no, like, actually, my film was right. You see 541 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: some of the movement skills, but the consistency of that 542 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: artistry element isn't there for him in the way that 543 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: it is for the other players we just described. 544 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to be clear, it's not like 545 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: we're saying that the people that test well here it's like, oh, okay, 546 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 3: well if. 547 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: The film doesn't support it, then this doesn't matter at all. 548 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: We forget it. 549 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: No, Like a guy like Chop Robinson, like you're saying 550 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: the productions gup, but you like looking at what he's 551 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 3: got there, and you can say, if we get a 552 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: good coach with him, if we get a good program, 553 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: now we have intangibles or not intangibles, actual things we 554 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: can measure that. Like you we can't teach you can't 555 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: teach his speed at his size, So you can say, well, 556 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: we can teach him a couple of pass rush moves, 557 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: we can teach him how to be dissiple, or just. 558 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: How we're going to utilize him like on stunts and 559 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: loops and all this kind of stuff. And so again, 560 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: I still think CHOP's a good player. It's just the 561 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: other players we talked about are really good, right, like 562 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: because they. 563 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: Have those things and they've shown production. 564 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And again, other guy, like another guy 565 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: that didn't test super well today was Darius Robinson from 566 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: Missouri didn't run fast, right, But I think the other 567 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: thing is like I didn't expect him to run fast. 568 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: Dude's two hundred ninety pounds. 569 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: And that's not the style he plays. 570 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: He's not expecting. He plays with this tremendous power. So 571 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: when he does the gauntlet drill and he's running through 572 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: the bags like it's like he's throwing, like you know, 573 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: George Forman Haymakers, because that's like, what do you expect 574 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: from him. 575 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: He's got sledgehammers, arms, He's. 576 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: Got good enough movement skills. He's he jumped thirty five inches, 577 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: so obviously there's an explosive element to his game that 578 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 1: didn't show up in the forty. And the other thing 579 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: about the forty that gets a little bit dice. He 580 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: is guys like track guys run forty's better. So that's 581 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: why you have those other jump measurements to kind of say, hey, 582 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't show his explosiveness in the forty. But 583 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: he jumped thirty five inches, he had a plus ten 584 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: foot broad He's an explosive athlete. It just didn't show 585 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: up in this specific level of testing. So again, like 586 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: that's where you kind of weigh in. He was very productive, 587 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: showed these explosive measurements were good. He is the style 588 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: player in terms of drill work that we saw on tape, 589 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: So it doesn't really change my evaluation too much. I 590 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: hope other people change their evaluation because I hope he slides, 591 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: and hope he's there at thirty six when Washington fis 592 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: because I think that'd be awesome. Yes, but I don't 593 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: think after today, I don't think it changes anything in 594 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: terms of his Heay, he stays played. 595 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we know what he is. He's a good football. 596 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: Player, absolutely, and uh okay, So we've talked about a 597 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: lot of the top end guys, first round guys, and 598 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 3: like you said, guys that may not be there all right, 599 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: So what I want you to do is a couple 600 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: of guys that the combine made you say what we 601 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: saw today? You go, oh, raise an eyebrow. Maybe that's 602 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 3: a guy the Commanders can target even in these later rounds. 603 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: Because that's the thing about the combine is like there 604 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 3: could be fourth round, fifth round talent here that the 605 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: combines make you say, oh, okay, there's something I can 606 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 3: work with here. 607 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so one hundred percent. Then I think the guy 608 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: that I just kept talking about every time he was 609 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: up was Marshawn Keelan from Western Michigan. And he's a 610 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: guy that I liked at the Senior Bowl. I liked 611 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: his tape a lot, very raw from a production standpoint, 612 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: but plays with a tremendous motor and again didn't test crazy. 613 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: I think he ran like a four to seven at 614 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: two seventy five. So big guy, but the way he 615 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: bent and moved and the athleticism that he showed, like 616 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: they threw him a pass today and he jumped up 617 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: and caught it with one hand, and you're like, this 618 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: guy's two seventy five, and so just that kind of again, 619 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: the non explosive athleticism, the kind of that subjective, the bend, 620 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: the sinking of the hips, the change of direction, the 621 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: kind of dexterity with your feet. I just was like, man, 622 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: this guy just keeps flashing and showing up at a 623 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: really really highlight high level. Mohammad Karma, I think, is 624 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: how you say his name from Colorado State is a 625 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: guy that shows tremendous burst when he's rushing the passer 626 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: at Colorado State showed tremendous birth burst. Here ran a 627 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: four or five eight. I think it was the third 628 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: fastest forty times. 629 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: He even bumped it down a four or five seven. 630 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: Yes, he was cooking and it was It's awesome to 631 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 1: watch that guy because again, smaller school guy showed something 632 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: on film that gets you excited and what the thing 633 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: I love is. For example, there's a guy from from Kansas, 634 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say his name, who everyone thought that 635 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: was going to measure and test. Is this crazy explosive 636 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: pass rusher didn't quite get it done today, but Comra 637 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: comes out and does it and says, Oh, all that 638 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: stuff I saw on film that burst here it is jumped, 639 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: well moved. Well, love that. And I think the other 640 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: one is the guy from Texas Tech. What's his name, 641 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: Miles Cole, And Miles Cole is a as project as 642 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: projects come. But he's six ' five, he's two to eighty, 643 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: he's got thirty seven inch arms, and he ran a 644 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: four to six eight. So you just can't like talk 645 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: about stuff you can't coach and people you might want 646 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: to take a flyer on. Again. His tape's okay, it's fine. 647 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: He plays like a five technique in college, so he 648 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: plays head up over the over the of the tackle, 649 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: which is a tough spot to be productive fun. I'm 650 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: sure if you gave him a simpler set of instructions 651 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: and said, just run as hard as you can at 652 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: this offensive lineman and get a sack. You might get 653 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: more production from him, But the way he moved for 654 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: that size, I'm like that talk about stuff you can't 655 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: coach that. It for a value pick, like in the 656 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: fourth their fifth round. You're just like, it's going to 657 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: be too good to pass up because there's only a 658 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: couple of people on the face of the earth that 659 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: look like that. Now, is he going to develop? I 660 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm gonna well, that's why he's a 661 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: fourth letter, But I'm gonna bet on that. But I'm 662 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: gonna bet on that guy in terms of a guy 663 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: that you could say, hey, let's let's get him in 664 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: the building with a good d line coach, in the 665 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: right system, the right culture, and let him develop and 666 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: become something special. 667 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: All right, anybody uh in the linebacker crew. 668 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: The linebacker crew, let's start tackle or are we just talking? 669 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 670 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk detackle. 671 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 672 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: So I was gonna say linebacker only because we had 673 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 3: the weird thing with a Turner. 674 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Obviously Turner crushed it like he was fantastic 675 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: and braswell. But I think Braswell is going to be 676 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: a late first early secondround pick. So I don't think 677 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: he helped to hurt himself. I think he's exactly what 678 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: you thought. I think Turner made an argue for argument 679 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: for himself today to be the first defensive player selected. 680 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: We'll see what tyran Onnold has to say about it. 681 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: And there was a defensive tackle I thought who also 682 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: made a really good claim. 683 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about detach. Who is that? 684 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: So the guy that I thought had had the day 685 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: on the defensive tackle side was Byron Murphy, the defensive 686 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: tackle from Texas. And again, this is one of those 687 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: guys much like much like Dallas Turner, who when you 688 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: watch the film, is dynamic. He's a dynamic defensive tackle right. 689 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: He's explosive, he's a penetrator. He's got a great feel 690 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 1: for when to sink against pressure. He looks different than 691 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: anybody else when he's running drills. He's kind of this 692 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: big muscular dude, but he's got these athletic kind of 693 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: feet and he's just he's a special He's a special guy. 694 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: And he showed that he's a special athlete today. And 695 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: then when you get him in all the drill work, 696 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: the way he bends, the way he moves, the way 697 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: he changes direction, You're just like you're just a cut above. 698 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: And I think like that's the type of guy that 699 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: becomes the first defensive player selected. But you know, other guy, 700 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: Brandon Fist from Florida State ran the fastest forty at 701 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety five pounds. I think he around 702 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: a four seven five or four seven four, and again 703 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: that's supported by the film. A guy whose motor never 704 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: shuts off. Explosive, dynamic, aggressive, relentless, and that shows up 705 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: and everything he does. He was always finishing farther than 706 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: he should, smacking the bags. Just the footwork and the 707 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: athleticism was off the chart. Now his production was a 708 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: little bit down this year at Florida State, but I 709 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: think after seeing these measurables and a guy that works 710 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: that way, you kind of want to bet on him 711 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: and say that's the guy you want to bet on it. 712 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: And then the guy that nobody was really talking about 713 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: was Chris Jenkins from Michigan. I think he ran a 714 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: four nine four eight something four eight nine and he's 715 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: the son of an NFL guy. Four nine one, Thank 716 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: you for nine to one and he's a big hoss, 717 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: big back, big arms, run stopper. But the way he 718 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: ran and the way he moved, You're like, this guy 719 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: has the potential to be something more, And I think 720 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: that's pretty exciting for a. 721 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: Little bit of context, just a little bit. A sub 722 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: five is pretty darning for the size of these guys. 723 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 3: So I know, like four nine to one, like some 724 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 3: people go, but for this because they're not they don't 725 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: see right, these are big boys, dud big. 726 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: Dudes, and so yeah, so for those numbers, and they 727 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: all tested extremely well. So those kind of feel all 728 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden like those will be your first three 729 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: defensive tackles. There's other guys we can talk about. I 730 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: think you want to talk about your guy probably demandre 731 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: sweat right. 732 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get him out of the way. Yeah I can't. 733 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: You said it once. 734 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: It's like when you see something that shouldn't be you 735 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: can't not look at him. 736 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: So yet, he's huge. 737 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: We've talked about him in the Senior Bowl. Stuff you 738 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 3: can eat. We walked into the stadium. He's what one 739 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards away from where we are, and 740 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 3: you can immediately tell that's him. 741 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: He's the biggest, biggest dude out there. 742 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: And he weighed in. 743 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: He didn't weigh in ato Senior Bowl, which is wild 744 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: when he already when he was listed on his college 745 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: site as three sixty five, right, and he's like, I'm 746 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: not weighing in because you all just guess, just guess 747 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: what it is. But he weighed in here, and my 748 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 3: guy put in work because he weighed in at three 749 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: sixty six, only one pound over. 750 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: Yea. 751 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: Then what they said on his sheet, which I think 752 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 2: and he. 753 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: To be honest, he looked a little thinner, which is 754 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: why so I love that. 755 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 2: Though I love it. 756 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 3: He was like, look, I got from the Senior Bowl 757 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: until the Combine. I need to put him work to 758 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 3: weigh a certain way. And that shows me me Jack Jason, 759 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 3: with my analysis, that is just this guy just decided 760 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: to lose weight and stuck to it. 761 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: And that's a hard thing to do for a big guy. 762 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, for a big guy. 763 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: But I think like to just kind of flush that 764 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: out because I think he might be a first round player. 765 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: And again because when you're three sixty six and the 766 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: way we're going to use a couple of words here 767 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: for how powerful he is, for how much Bendy has, 768 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: like it's pretty spectacular, and then again that's supported by 769 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: his film. And the only concern I have is conditioning. 770 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's what it is. There's no doubt 771 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: about it. He went, he ran his forty, He ran 772 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: a five to seven, which is good for three hundred 773 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: and sixty. 774 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 3: Six pounds when he's done that, just yeah, you needed 775 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 3: you could tell that was that took a lot out 776 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 3: of him, which is fine because that's his superpower is 777 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: being as explosive and as bendy as he is for 778 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: his size. 779 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely right, that's a superpower. 780 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 3: And he's going to make a team very happy. 781 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: It's a specific role. 782 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: It's a role he's gonna have. So maybe his first round, 783 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 784 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 3: I think because of his conditioning, he can't be out 785 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 3: there all the time. 786 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: I feel like if you ask him to lose. 787 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: More weight than play is superpower, right, So he is 788 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 3: what he is. He's a run stopper. He's he's gonna 789 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 3: clog something up and he's gonna come in every now 790 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 3: and then. So maybe I think I think he'll probably 791 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 3: slide just because he's going to be a very neut roll. 792 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: But he's going to be very good at that neut role. 793 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: No, I totally agree. So I think those those are 794 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: probably your four I don't know winners for today, I think. 795 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: And then there's a couple guys that I think deserve 796 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: shoutouts as kind of athletic freaks, and you want like 797 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: project guys, maybe third, fourth, fifth round guys. Ruke a 798 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: row Is. I think that's how you say the same No, 799 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: you want a good book John. Yeah. Right, there's another 800 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: Rorow there, but. 801 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: He is tough to say, but he. 802 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: Is very raw, very technically raw. But in terms of 803 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: athletic profile, athletic measurables, he's a guy that you're like, yes, 804 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: like long arms, ran fast, good ten yard split, explosive 805 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: measurables at a guy at close to three hundred pounds 806 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: deserves a shout out. Another guy that people will probably 807 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: talk about is Mason Smith. And so Rouke is a 808 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: very interesting prospect because I think you see that athletic 809 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: profile on film. Right. Yes, Mason Smith is a huge 810 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: man from LSU. He's six six, I think he's three twenty, 811 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: and he ran pretty good. I think he ran he 812 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: ran a five flat forty like really moving, like big, 813 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: big old hoss. But the problem is the film does 814 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: not support that athleticism. So someone will take a shot 815 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: on him because he's big and he moves well. 816 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: He's got those unteachable things. 817 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: And he's got small hands. That's the other thing you 818 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: got to watch out. 819 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: I don't know why does that matter. 820 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: Well, so like for me, like when I look at 821 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: when I when I think about offensive lineman, when I 822 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: think about defensive linemen, and just strength athletes in general. 823 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: So like Strongman, you watch guys on you know TV. 824 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: One of the number one drivers for strength and play 825 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: strength is script strength. And big hands have big grip, 826 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: and so you know if you've got those eleven inch 827 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 1: hands and you can just rip someone's chest plate off 828 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: because your hands are so strong. And again he had 829 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: eight inch hands, which doesn't seem right eight and a 830 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: half or something like that. Nine and chance for such 831 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: a big man. So that's a little bit of a 832 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: red flag and the weirding in the weird scouting world 833 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: that I live in. But I think the bigger red 834 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: flag is that the film does not support the powerful 835 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: file that you saw today. And I've watched that a 836 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: couple of times, So I don't know if that's coaching. 837 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just not him. He's you know, 838 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: is coming off an injury in twenty twenty two. 839 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 2: But had a good day, but had a. 840 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: Really good day, So someone will take a shot. Gabe 841 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: hal ran Fast is tall, little stiff, but I think 842 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: if you can get him in a role and feel 843 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: good about it from Baylor, that's a guy that kind of, 844 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, I would circle. And then I already mentioned 845 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: our guy what's his name, Mackay Wingo had a fantastic day, 846 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: but again the film not quite there for me on him, 847 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: but again a guy that deserves a shout out as 848 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: having those athletic traits that gets you excited. 849 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: All right, let's do linebackers. 850 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Linebackers, So linebacker is tough man because the linebacker to 851 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: me is kind of like evaluating quarterbacks. And so what 852 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean by that is this is a position that 853 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: you need a certain physical threshold, no doubt. But the 854 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: problem is so much of what you're going to be 855 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: asked to do at the NFL level is mental. So 856 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: the interview process is so incredibly critical for this, and 857 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: we don't have access to that information. So I think 858 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: this group tested in general better than I thought they would. 859 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: But you need to be you have a guy who's 860 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: smart and kind of can do do the things above 861 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: the neck. Like I was talking to a scout last 862 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: night when I was out to dinner, and one of 863 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: the things he said is like linebacker, he said, he said, 864 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: linebackers like quarterback. And I don't physical stuff's important, but 865 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,959 Speaker 1: I need to know you've got the mental side, and 866 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: we just don't have access to that. So guys that 867 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: did well obviously, Wilson Wilson from NC State absolutely, Peyton Wilson, 868 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson from MC State absolutely crushed the combine today. 869 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: He I think he ran a four point four four 870 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: or four point four three four four three, which is crazy, 871 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: and that shows up, that shows up on film, like 872 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: that dude is running down receivers, he's running down running backs, 873 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: he's getting the sacks, like he. 874 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 2: Sub four six for this group is good. So he's 875 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 2: four four to three is great. 876 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: And he's like two thirty. I think he's six ' four, 877 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: Like he's a big old dude. And you know, the 878 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: one criticism I've having him on film as a think 879 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: sometimes he relies too much on his athleticism and his 880 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: injury history is extensive, but I think given the injury, 881 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 1: his history, and given how I've performed today, given the film, 882 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: he feels like a guy that if Washington was looking 883 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: for a kind of a difference maker at linebacker, I 884 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: could see, honestly them taking him with one of those 885 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: second round packs. 886 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 2: It seems like he'd be good you said for the Will, right. 887 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: I think so linebacker spot, because he's got like a 888 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: tendency not to like take on blocks. His arms are 889 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: a little short, they're thirty in charms, and again, this 890 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: is one of those things that you know, football scouting 891 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: nerds freak out about. Is the reason it's important is 892 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: that when I'm going up against an offensive lineman who's 893 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: got thirty four inch arms, and he can just envelop 894 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: me kind of regardless of my arm length. So he 895 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 1: has a hard time, So he tries to jump around 896 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: stuff a little bit more than I was attacking. 897 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: He's trying to shuffle and juke his way around correct. 898 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: But if he's playing WILL linebacker, that's okay because they 899 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: don't have to take on blocks the same way as 900 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: like a MIC or a SAM linebacker, so. 901 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 3: He would just real quickly Will means weeks, So like 902 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 3: a Mike means. 903 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 2: Middle and a Sam means strong side. Yes, just real 904 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 2: quickly is yes, so like tchnology that's. 905 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, like a will linebacker is going to be he's 906 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: going to out leverage the first double team in most fronts, 907 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: so it's easier for him to take on the block 908 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: because he's just forcing it. Back to the mic, A 909 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: SAM or a mic, you have to take on a 910 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: double team where you are going to be out leveraged, 911 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: and therefore the collision of the block and block destructions 912 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more important. Yes, So he's a guy 913 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: that absolutely crushed today. You want to talk about your guy, 914 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: my guy, So like I was going to talk about 915 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: have two of them, I got two guys, but I'm 916 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Jeremiah Trotter real quick. And he did 917 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: not run today, but I thought looked good moving around 918 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: and I wish, yeah, he didn't do it to do 919 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: his forty, but he did his five ten five. I 920 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: don't know if he jumped either, but I think on 921 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: the field he looked good. And the thing about him 922 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: that's frustrating for me is he's obviously a smart football player, 923 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: like in terms of having it above the neck. I 924 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: think he's got it, but there is a minimum athletic 925 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: threshold for the position. And I just wanted, I really wanted, 926 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: of all the people, I wanted to see him run 927 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,439 Speaker 1: because I question how fast he is. I think he's 928 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: again a very smart guy. He's got that box checked. 929 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: But can he run with Christian McCaffrey. Can he do 930 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: some of these things he's going to be asked to do. 931 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: Can he carry that number three vertical over the middle 932 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: of the field like Lendon Fletcher always complains about that 933 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: he had to do with Hazlet here. Yeah, I don't know, 934 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: and again like he'll do it at his problem. London 935 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: was very fast. London ran up four to three. But 936 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a guy that you kind of say, 937 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, like where are you physically? And so yeah, 938 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: that was another guy that was kind of in the top, 939 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: the guy from North Carolina. Where's his name? I can't 940 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: find him on here, but he is a guy that 941 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: I thought did have a nice job today, did a 942 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: good good job. And when he talked to scouts, yeah great, 943 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: that's right. When he talked to scouts, a lot of 944 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: them like him better than Wilson, just as a point 945 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: of comparison because he takes on blocks a little bit 946 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: more physically. So those are kind of the three top 947 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: guys from the group that weren't edge rushers, so not 948 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: Dallas Turner and not braswell. 949 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 2: So you had two, I did have two. 950 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: I did have two favorites. 951 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 2: And it was weird so. 952 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 3: How you were saying it, Like you didn't look at 953 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 3: their number anything, Like you didn't see their number, their 954 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 3: name wasn't up on the screen. You were just like, Oh, 955 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 3: that's yeah, that's I'll say. I'll say it for you. 956 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 3: That was John Tree Hunter from Georgia. 957 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: State, Georgia State. 958 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, that's that's Hunter. That's because you 959 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 3: could tell by the way he was moving you liked it. 960 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: And I did like it. And I think the thing 961 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: about it is it wasn't I liked, you know, I 962 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: think he ran. I don't know if he ran even 963 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,479 Speaker 1: but like in the drill work, in the drill work, 964 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: he's not slipping, he's not putting his hands down, he's 965 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: not taking wasted steps. And with linebacker, you know, we 966 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: talked about bending a lot with defensive line edge rushers 967 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: and explosiveness. I just felt like he was always in control, 968 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: but he was always moving fast, you know, And I 969 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: think that's something that I like to see in my linebacker. Right, 970 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: He's got to be smart, he's got to be dexterous. 971 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: And I think when I watched his film at Georgia State, 972 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: I liked it, and so it was nice to see 973 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: that that athletic profile, that kind of composure and awareness 974 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: of your feet showed up for me and in the 975 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: drill work. And then the other guy that I liked 976 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: a lot today was Liam Eichenberger. Not Liam, his bunny, Tommy, 977 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: his brother's Liam, Tommy Tommy, and Tommy is a guy 978 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: that didn't run. I have some questions about his athleticism, 979 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: but everything looks smooth for him, much like it did 980 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: for Hunter. And I just I like the way he 981 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: caught the football. I like the way he did his drops. 982 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: I like the way he moved, and that to me, 983 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,399 Speaker 1: also shows up on tape. And so if you're looking 984 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: for a linebacker's linebacker and I've made this mistake the 985 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: past couple of years, so maybe I'm over correcting. Just 986 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: to be totally candid, is I've gone after athletic traits 987 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: at the position a little bit more. I thought that's 988 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: more important. But when you look at the guys that 989 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: have been successful, the Nick Boltons of the world, I 990 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: forget the guy's name who but he plays in New 991 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 1: Orleans at the moment, they're not these athletic freaks freaks, 992 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: but they're smart, physical football players. And I think both 993 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: of those guys kind of meet that billing. So if 994 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: you want a linebacker that's gonna pop up maybe later 995 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: in the draft that I think could add a lot 996 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 1: of value. And I'm talking later. I think I think 997 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: i can Burg will probably be a third or fourth 998 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: round pick, and then Hunter, I think will probably be 999 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: like a fifth, sixth, seventh round guy. But I think 1000 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: a guy that has an athletic profile that adds. Another 1001 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: guy that I also wanted to bring up was the 1002 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: guy from you Dub Gosh, what's his name? You Dub, 1003 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: you Dub, you Dub. He's got some crazy name. Can 1004 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 1: you find it for me, Jason, because you're a beast. 1005 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: But test it off the charts, like test it absolutely, 1006 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: like off the charge forty inch vertical around four to 1007 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: five was awesome, But in some of the drill work. 1008 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 2: Looks I am talupa fatigue the other one. 1009 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: There's two of them. Now there's two you Dub guys. 1010 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 1: But but test it off the charts, say yes, say 1011 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 1: go for it. That's why I don't want to say. 1012 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 2: It Edo farm yep Yla Fashio. 1013 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's right, but that's close enough. 1014 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 2: We have our pronunciation. 1015 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: You dub guy tested crazy. But sometimes you don't see 1016 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: that athlete on the field, and that's something that always 1017 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: makes me a little bit nervous about the combine. And 1018 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: then linebacker. To me, it's like quarterback. It's really really 1019 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: hard hard to find the right guy. But those are 1020 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: some names I just wanted to kind of put on 1021 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: fans radar as guys that I liked, some guys I 1022 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: didn't like, but the athletic profile works. So just to 1023 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: kind of give everybody some food for thought there on 1024 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: that position. 1025 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 3: Okay, I can't find his name on the pronunciation sheet 1026 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 3: right now. I promise he needs his flowers. So next 1027 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 3: next podcast tomorrow, I will I will make sure that 1028 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 3: we shout him out and get his name right. 1029 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, that was the last minute add there for me. 1030 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, no no problem, no problem, looking all right. So 1031 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 2: we did it. 1032 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: We did it. 1033 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 2: That was today. That happened up everything we watched. 1034 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: Also, who is your guy? You had a guy, the 1035 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: Notre Dame guy with the with the cornrows. 1036 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was pretty good. 1037 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: He's big guy, big old his name, very smooth, Yeah, 1038 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: very smooth. One. Let's see, I got it right here, 1039 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: let's go. 1040 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 2: But his film doesn't support it. 1041 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: Doesn't support it. But again, right, but but he looked 1042 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: good to long arms, thirty four inch arms, ran well, 1043 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: looked super smooth in all the drills. But yeah, that's 1044 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: another guy there, go right here, So Maurice say that, 1045 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: but he's the other guy. That's four guys. 1046 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 2: There so many names, so many, so many. 1047 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is like it's hard for me, 1048 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 3: who's like, this is my first time getting involved in 1049 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 3: this process with you of trying to remember these are 1050 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 3: like three hundred guys to try and. 1051 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: To recall them on I think there's three hundred and tough. 1052 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 3: It's so I try and keep my notes organized to 1053 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 3: try and find it really quickly, because these guys deserve it. 1054 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 3: They're they're yeah, they're doing a good job. They deserve 1055 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 3: to be called out correctly, and so that's a mistake 1056 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 3: on my end. But I'll make sure that we get 1057 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 3: flowers for that guy from you dub tomorrow. 1058 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 2: I okay, we did it. 1059 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 3: Tomorrow, we're going to have another pod. It's uh, we're 1060 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 3: gonna have some fasts forty times tomorrow because it's going 1061 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 3: to be it's the dba's, the DB's and then the 1062 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 3: tight ends your group, right, So expect perfect evaluations from 1063 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 3: Logan Paulson on the tight ends. But yeah, tomorrow is 1064 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 3: gonna be great. There are a ton of DB's, a 1065 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 3: ton of them. I think it's like the record for 1066 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 3: the most dbs and invited out to. 1067 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: The car and we and just to be perfectly candid, 1068 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: I've had a hard time getting through all the DB's 1069 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: because we don't have access to all. They're all twenty 1070 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: two because we've had to kind of beg, borrow and 1071 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: steal to get the limited stuff we've had. So we're 1072 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: into our best tomorrow. Give you the best insight we 1073 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: can on the drills and give our insight on the guys, 1074 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: but just know we're behind the apall a little bit there. 1075 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're super I'm super excited for it. There are 1076 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 2: a lot of good. 1077 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 3: Corners, I think, Yeah, and this is really going to 1078 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 3: help with us, like what you said, like with finding 1079 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 3: film and whatnot and supplementing the film. This is going 1080 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 3: to help us like pick some people out and prioritize 1081 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 3: them for who we need to get jump on the. 1082 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: Kind of like we did with the linebackers too. Like 1083 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: those names that kind of pop up, you're like, oh, 1084 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: this guy should go back and watch him. Like that's 1085 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: why another reason why I enjoy this process. 1086 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 2: So our fans should be doing this too. 1087 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 3: If they're watching the combine one there and some guy 1088 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 3: looks good to them and they haven't heard that name before. 1089 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: I watch them. 1090 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,399 Speaker 3: Go YouTube that guy, see his highlights, see is some 1091 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 3: of his every snap or whatever, and like that's how 1092 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 3: you learn who these potential guys in the fourth, fifth, 1093 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 3: sixth round are gonna be. Because the national media picks 1094 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 3: about one hundred people and one hundred guys and that's 1095 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,879 Speaker 3: who they talk about. So you're not gonna hear these 1096 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 3: names later. But trust your eyes. See somebody on TV 1097 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 3: you like runs a good forty time, looks good in 1098 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 3: the drills. 1099 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: Check it out. 1100 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 3: Go check it out for yourself, right, Like, trust me, 1101 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 3: you're most people's eyes that watch football, Like you may 1102 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,879 Speaker 3: not know how to articulate it, but you're gonna see 1103 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 3: it like this, see it. 1104 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,879 Speaker 1: This is something that I think is really interesting is 1105 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 1: when you most scouts don't know football the way coaches 1106 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: know football, but they know athletic traits, they know those things. 1107 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: Then you say this will work on some level, and 1108 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,240 Speaker 1: you can tell almost right away when you're watching somebody 1109 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 1: Like I was talking to a scout. He's like, it 1110 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: takes about forty plays, And I think that's true. If 1111 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: you're really dialed in on it, it'll take about forty plays. 1112 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: You'll have a good feel for the guy. I like 1113 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: to watch more than that, obviously. I like to watch 1114 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 1: a couple of games on each guy, just to give 1115 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt. But it's it's it's 1116 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: crazy how quickly be like, I don't really like this guy, right, 1117 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: like this one thing this guy does, and. 1118 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, trust yourself, you don't. You're exactly right. You don't 1119 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 3: have to be a savant, yeah, to be able to 1120 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 3: look and be like, hey, that looked explosive. 1121 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: That's right there. 1122 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 3: Okay, So we had field Yates for PM. He's coming 1123 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 3: up right now. He tells us who he thinks and 1124 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 3: gives some pretty good reasons. 1125 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: His argument was very compelled, very. 1126 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 3: Compelling on who we should take at number two? That's 1127 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 3: coming up, win. 1128 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,240 Speaker 1: Right out, all right. Very special guests joined the podcast 1129 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 1: today Field Yates, host of the First Draft Podcast, and 1130 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: man like I feel like I'm sitting next to Royalty 1131 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: a little bit here because you get to work with 1132 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,439 Speaker 1: the guy, right, mel Kiper Junior. 1133 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 4: Right, I've got the Kuiper Deyodor around right? 1134 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: Yeah? How is that working for you? How is it 1135 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: working with him? Like? What's his what's like? What is 1136 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:49,959 Speaker 1: that show like with him best? 1137 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be a match. I'm not trying 1138 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 4: to sound like, you know, a company man or whatever, 1139 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 4: but I mean this sincerely. There might not be a 1140 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 4: more genuine, thoughtful person at ESPN. And mel Kiper Jr. 1141 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 4: I don't think you have forty six years of draft 1142 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,919 Speaker 4: coverage and I think thirty eight at ESPN without being 1143 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 4: a very good at your job but also treating people 1144 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 4: the right way. What I love about Mail is that 1145 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 4: Mail has every right, based off of his history, to 1146 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 4: ignore anything that I say it doesn't align with how 1147 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 4: he feels about a player, and yet the opposite is 1148 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 4: true at him and I go back and forth on 1149 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 4: a player, and I see the player one way and 1150 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 4: he sees the player a different way. His stance is 1151 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 4: not you're wrong, I'm right. His stance is that's interesting. 1152 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 4: I might go back and look at a couple of 1153 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 4: those things and you brought up. Meanwhile, I'm going to 1154 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 4: go back and think about some of the stuff that 1155 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 4: Meil brought up as well and say, what the heck 1156 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,200 Speaker 4: did I miss on this guy? But Mail has been 1157 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 4: such a gracious teammate for so many years, and doing 1158 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,319 Speaker 4: the show over the past few years and this year 1159 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 4: in the specific capacity that I am, has been nothing 1160 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 4: short of a. 1161 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 1: Blast and obviously been very gracious with mel and he 1162 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: deserves that respect. But you know, I listen to the 1163 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: podcast every single week, and I think you do a 1164 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 1: fantastic job with your evaluations. You just had your mock 1165 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: draft come out. Yeah, Daniels at two right, that's right 1166 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: to Washington commanders, what is the sell? If you're selling 1167 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 1: Jadan Daniels to me? Are are fans? Why is that 1168 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,440 Speaker 1: the case? 1169 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 4: So the most important dynamic that I think has to 1170 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,800 Speaker 4: be laid out when you're discussing any of these three quarterbacks. 1171 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 4: But let's operate under the idea that Kille Williams goes. 1172 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 2: First. 1173 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 4: Of the mirrors is that you're not selling Jaden Daniels 1174 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 4: over Drake May. You're selling Jaden Daniels independent of Drake May. 1175 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 4: In this regard, I don't have this incredibly strong belief 1176 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 4: that one of those guys is decidedly better. 1177 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: Than the other. 1178 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 4: It's almost like you're looking at two like pristine houses 1179 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 4: in the same neighborhood, and it's just choosing between, like 1180 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 4: which few amenities you like more in one house versus 1181 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 4: the other. If I'm making the Jaden Daniels case, I'll 1182 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,760 Speaker 4: start here. There's nothing that a player could have done 1183 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,800 Speaker 4: more during a college football season this year than Jaden 1184 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 4: Daniels did. Everybody knows about the rushing. I don't have 1185 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 4: to sit here and tell you all about this rushing ability. 1186 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 4: But back to back season rushing out for one thousand 1187 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 4: yards obviously brings a dynamic that is incredibly difficult to 1188 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,839 Speaker 4: account for, and it forces defenses into a bind because 1189 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 4: he's such a gifted thrower as well. You know, recently 1190 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 4: our ESPN sets an information group. I started to kind 1191 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,439 Speaker 4: of chew into this draft process a little bit more 1192 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 4: and I've started supplying some numbers and I got giddy 1193 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 4: this past weekend when they sent me the profile on 1194 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,400 Speaker 4: Jayden and it just basically confirmed everything that you saw 1195 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 4: when you watch Jaden. It changes the way that you 1196 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 4: can play defensive changes the numbers. Specifically, they dove in 1197 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,240 Speaker 4: on the how he fared when defended in zone coverage 1198 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 4: and it was astounding. So the idea, obviously, the idea 1199 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 4: in zone coverage is we don't want to let Jaden 1200 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 4: Daniels beat us with his legs. We're going to kind 1201 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 4: of space things out, like if he can pick us 1202 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 4: apart with his arm, so be it right. Seventy seven 1203 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 4: percent plus completion percentage, seventeen touchdowns, zero picks when facing 1204 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 4: zone covers this year. Then against the pressure, so when 1205 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 4: you bring pressure when you have you know, more than 1206 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 4: four rushers as defined by ESPN, and they have a 1207 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 4: variety of so they track that same deal like twenty touchdowns, 1208 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 4: zero interceptions, seventy one percent completion percentage. So if you 1209 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,719 Speaker 4: say to yourself, hey, we're going to bring pressure because 1210 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,360 Speaker 4: we wanted to get the ball out quick and we 1211 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 4: don't think that he can. You know, his receivers are 1212 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,919 Speaker 4: good enough to beat me on coverage, or we don't 1213 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 4: think he's precise enough of as a passer to throw 1214 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 4: balls into buckets. That's not the case as well. So 1215 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,919 Speaker 4: Jaden was just remarkable this past season and the last 1216 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 4: thing at all point to him. And there are a 1217 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 4: million things I aut point two for either of them, 1218 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 4: But in the case here for Jaden Daniels is clutch 1219 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 4: production is a quarterback trait that I value a lot. 1220 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,799 Speaker 4: It's how do you perform when the games on the line? 1221 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 4: How do you perform and god to have the situations, 1222 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 4: how do you perform when the moment is biggest? And 1223 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 4: out this past year that no player was better amongst 1224 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 4: these sort of big six quarterbacks, if you will, but 1225 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 4: certainly these big three quarterbacks when the game was kind 1226 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,800 Speaker 4: of on the line. You go back and watch games 1227 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,399 Speaker 4: this past year, and I'm not going to tell people 1228 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 4: that LSU doesn't have a lot of talent. 1229 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 2: They do. 1230 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 4: Defensively, though they were, This was one of the worst 1231 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 4: LSU defenses in a long time. They changed their entire staff. 1232 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 4: Jayden needed to put up thirty five forty points a 1233 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,959 Speaker 4: game for this team to go nine to three. Length 1234 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,319 Speaker 4: They did Jaden Daniels against Missouri, a team that was 1235 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,719 Speaker 4: awesome this past year and also has at least four 1236 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,960 Speaker 4: guys on defense that are going to be drafted. Two 1237 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 4: of them might go in. 1238 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 2: The first round. Got to have a situation. 1239 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,840 Speaker 4: Is the fourth quarter on the road, a place that 1240 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 4: was more hostile than it's been in a long time, 1241 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 4: Third and eighths, third and sevens, third and nine's backed 1242 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 4: up inside his own five yard line. Has gotta have 1243 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,479 Speaker 4: a situational awareness This past year in execution I thought 1244 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,520 Speaker 4: separated him from every other quarterback in the class in 1245 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 4: that specific metric or that specific trait. I think it 1246 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 4: speaks to the idea that I guess every quarterback can 1247 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 4: be read a little bit. It's pretty freaking hard to 1248 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 4: rattle Jaden Daniels. The pressure does not get to him 1249 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 4: like I think it does a lot of other quarterbacks. 1250 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I agree with Evan you said. 1251 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. One of the things I would 1252 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,840 Speaker 1: point out, though, pressure to sack ratio pretty high, doesn't 1253 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: throw over the middle of the field very well. Like, 1254 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 1: what do you say to people that bring that up 1255 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: to you, Because obviously the things you mentioned are why 1256 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 1: he's amazing, but there are issues to his game, and 1257 00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,840 Speaker 1: what do you say to people who bring that up. 1258 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 4: I think the fundamental reality of any quarterback that has 1259 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 4: as much athletic ability as Jaden Daniels is that you 1260 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 4: have to coach that player to understand. And I think 1261 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,280 Speaker 4: this is a coachable trait. By the way, the difference 1262 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 4: between the value of the layup that's available in the 1263 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 4: passing game versus the opportunity to use your legs and 1264 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 4: either create a home run with your own legs or 1265 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 4: buy yourself a little bit of extra time and potentially 1266 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 4: hit that home run down the field, that to me 1267 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 4: would be where with your Jade and Daniels. If you're 1268 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 4: coaching Jaden Daniels, it's sometimes you see it, you grip it, 1269 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 4: you rip it if that means you get a sixteen 1270 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,399 Speaker 4: yard pickup, and the alternative reality is that you might 1271 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 4: have broken the pocket and rushed for a fifty five 1272 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 4: yard gain. Over the course of a full season, those 1273 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 4: sixteen yard pickups that you're hitting consistently might actually outweigh 1274 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 4: the occasional nothing play that turns into something play. So 1275 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,319 Speaker 4: I think it's a coachable trait. I do I think 1276 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 4: that the body armor for Jaden is probably one of 1277 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,279 Speaker 4: the biggest question mark, given the fact that there's not 1278 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,680 Speaker 4: a huge track record of guys at two hundred and 1279 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,799 Speaker 4: five or so pounds. But I think some of that is, 1280 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 4: like I think at all two hundred and five pounders 1281 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 4: are created an equals sure, and it's also hard to 1282 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 4: hit something you can't catch. 1283 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and as we all know, I think that je 1284 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 1: Nail's excellent football player. That's what we're gonna do or 1285 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: that was just you think the team should do it too. 1286 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: In terms of that second round, there's a lot of 1287 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: draft capital there for the Commanders thirty six and forty. Yeah, 1288 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: anything you think they're like in terms of guys that 1289 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: you really really like in that range, maybe tackle ed 1290 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: rusher or someone. 1291 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, I was gonna say tackle with the spot 1292 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 4: that I think just is just crystallize to me, because 1293 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 4: I think the fact that like opportunities to get younger 1294 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,080 Speaker 4: and also restock the depth overall are important and aligned 1295 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,080 Speaker 4: with the board, we could see six, seven, eight first 1296 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,560 Speaker 4: round offensive tackles. If a couple of those guys get 1297 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 4: pushed down the board just a little bit, wouldn't surprise me. 1298 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,880 Speaker 4: If we see you know, three or four go in 1299 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,360 Speaker 4: the first half of the second round that have what 1300 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 4: I was saw call quote unquote day one grades or 1301 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,480 Speaker 4: the potential to be Day one starters. 1302 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 1: This might be a you know. 1303 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,840 Speaker 4: Maybe do a little Paul Brothers reunion, that would be 1304 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,919 Speaker 4: nice from Patrick Paul, the younger brother of Chris. 1305 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: That name always to come up there, he does. 1306 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably the little hugging for it, right, 1307 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 4: But just that's an example of those guys that's in 1308 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 4: that probably thirty five to forty five ish range. Kingsley 1309 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,120 Speaker 4: Suamataia from BYU pig dancing bear of an offensive tackle. 1310 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 4: There's there's a handful of guys, you know, if a 1311 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 4: Jordan Morgan and Marius MAM's, guys like that are available 1312 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 4: at the top of the second round, I think that's 1313 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 4: sort of the sweet spot for a player of that caliber. 1314 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: Awesome man, thank you so much. I really appreciate Thank sure, 1315 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: thank you. Riding