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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little loans, fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more.

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Speaker 1: We are your heroes of the huff. That's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan Runt Talk and I'm Alex. That

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Speaker 1: was pretty good. I ran out of gas on these,

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Speaker 1: but you're still still trying. I'm gonna trying to keep

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Speaker 1: this bit going as long as because well, it is

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Speaker 1: the week of the fourth of July weekend, so it

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Speaker 1: seems like the perfect time to discuss one of the sunniest, breeziest,

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Speaker 1: booziest songs in existence. Yes, of course, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett's Immortal Margaritaville, which turns forty five this year. Now,

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Speaker 1: even after all this time, I'm still not sure if

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Speaker 1: this is the saddest happy song or the happiest sad song.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like Dancing Queen by Abbot, which you've

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Speaker 1: also talked about, could go either way. I'm a hard

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Speaker 1: press to name a song that's obstensively about delayed regret

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Speaker 1: that's been so wholeheartedly embraced by college students on spring break.

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Speaker 1: There's really two schools of thought on Margaritaville. On one hand,

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Speaker 1: it's an escapist anthem that presents an idealized version of

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Speaker 1: a tropical Shankar law. On the other, it's a song

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Speaker 1: about self loathing, regret, and a nightmarish descent into alcoholism

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Speaker 1: while your personal paradise becomes overrun with tourists and destroyed

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Speaker 1: by capitalism. We will discuss both sides of this argument today,

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Speaker 1: but capitalism certainly plays a big part in this episode.

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg has called Margaritaville the most lucrative song and history,

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Speaker 1: kicking off a business empire that pulls in nearly two

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Speaker 1: billion dollars a year, not bad for a song that

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Speaker 1: barely broke the top ten when it was released in nine.

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Speaker 1: The song was responsible for jump starting a lifestyle brand

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Speaker 1: that extends to restaurants, resorts, casitos, clothing record labels, radio stations,

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Speaker 1: a Broadway production, food products, and even a retirement community. HIGL,

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Speaker 1: what is your experience with Jimmy song sucks? I hate

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Speaker 1: it so much. I hate it's so much. The beer

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Speaker 1: is awful. I think land Shark awful awful, disgusting. I

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. I went to school in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: so like perilously close to the what they hashtag salt

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Speaker 1: life like del Marva, Delaware, Maryland. Never heard that Virginia

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Speaker 1: racist and jeep wranglers rolling around blasting fish. I hate it.

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Speaker 1: This is the apotheosis of like boring white people music

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Speaker 1: to me, and it's so atavistic capitalist greed disguised as well.

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Speaker 1: I'm just taking the artist Rods book, Okay. Never the

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Speaker 1: last episode. Well, Jimmy Buffett is famously the son of

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Speaker 1: a son of a sale, as one of his songs goes,

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Speaker 1: and I am the son of a parrot head or thereabouts.

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Speaker 1: I actually recall being taken to several Jimmy Buffett shows

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Speaker 1: growing up as a little boy, and um, I have

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Speaker 1: two vivid memories. One of them is the site of

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Speaker 1: the tailgate party. And the other memory is my father

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Speaker 1: saying with what I believe to be jenuorine admiration Damn

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett. That guy made a ton of money by

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Speaker 1: singing about doing nothing. Yeah, and that's stuck with me.

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Speaker 1: And he's absolutely right. Oh man, I mean j B

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Speaker 1: to j BS too. Hardest working man in show business

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Speaker 1: are both j B. James Brown and Jimmy Buffett. You

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Speaker 1: know you cannot like his music, but that guy he does,

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Speaker 1: he hustles. Yeah, we will look at the colorful cast

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Speaker 1: of characters that helped inspire the song, the real life

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Speaker 1: rock and roll king that very nearly wound up recording it,

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Speaker 1: the long Lost Verse, the unproduced Harrison Word, Robert Redford

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Speaker 1: buddy movie inspired by the lyrics, and the and the

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Speaker 1: multibillion dollar brand based on its title. Here's everything you

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Speaker 1: didn't know about Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville. James William Buffett was

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Speaker 1: born on December nineteen, truly a Christmas present to all humanity.

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Speaker 1: He's got his childhood growing up in Mobile, Alabama. And

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Speaker 1: as he'd later sing, And this would have a marked

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Speaker 1: impact on the songs he'd write, which are chock full

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Speaker 1: of the beach fishing and sailing. His earliest musical experiences

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Speaker 1: And his parents wanted him to become either a priest

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Speaker 1: me assume that this whole beach bump persona was a

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Speaker 1: related to Warren Buffett. They took a twenty three in

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Speaker 1: me test, did they really? Although they still call each

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Speaker 1: other Uncle Warren and cousin Jimmy, and they're probably worth

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Speaker 1: financial advice. Almost certainly, yes, I have to say. During

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Speaker 1: my research of Jimmy Buffett, I discovered it. He gets

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Speaker 1: he was told by Jimmy, I can only give you

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Speaker 1: expected to live this long anyway. And he echoed this

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Speaker 1: This wasn't a conversation, it was a monologue. And in

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Speaker 1: the nineties, a writer by the name of Steve Ang

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Speaker 1: contacted Jimmy Buffett saying that he wanted to write his

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Speaker 1: authorized biography. He received a letter back from Jimmy saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't need any help or third person interpretations. It

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Speaker 1: Back to Jimmy Buffett's early days. He discovered the guitar

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Speaker 1: what I just thought when you with the margharita thing,

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Speaker 1: Sure enough. They played Jackson Brown and Warren Zevon and

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett original triple header. Jimmy Buffett has in fact

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Speaker 1: John Prin, Guy Clark. They all said, Jimmy Buffett. No, no, Dylan,

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Speaker 1: A little Ringo Star anthology talking had reference for you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the kind of Prince Valiant and the dirt bag stag. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: He was a reporter for Billboard Magazine as the Nashville Correspondent.

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Speaker 1: His big scoop was breaking the news that bluegrass icons

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Speaker 1: it's cut with. His luggage was checked after his private

423
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: jet landed at the local airport. He paid a three

424
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: d dollar fine and was released shortly after. Jimmy spokesperson

425
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: said that the pills were actually prescription drugs, and Jimmy

426
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: himself later said that the so called ecstasy was actually

427
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: a vitamin B supplement called Poltics. I do have to say,

428
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: reading all this, there is a kind of idea of

429
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: that kind of twisted admiration for him for this, Like

430
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Hunter S. Thompson asked, like disciplined regiment ruination exactly. I

431
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: just I just read the Key West smugglers had police

432
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: scanners so that they would hear in news of incoming

433
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: bus whether they were still out on the water, and

434
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: would dump all their and by one estimation, a hundred

435
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: and fifty tons of bailed marijuana we're washing up on

436
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: the shore is the Key West. I've I've heard that. Actually, yes, daily,

437
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprising there perhaps is a song that

438
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett wrote about that. I wouldn't be surprised. I

439
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: am perusing his song as a seaweed pun there. Yeah,

440
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. I am perusing his song toes in here.

441
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: He's got some good ones. I gotta say, Living and

442
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: Dying in three quarter Times is a pretty good one.

443
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: I think it's an album title, right or is it

444
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: a song title? I don't give either way, So I

445
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: just said it was clever, don't get greedy? Um okay.

446
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: And then my favorite Jimmy Buffett drugs related story of

447
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: them all, and it's well known to most fans, but

448
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: I really just want to revisit it huge thanks to

449
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: our actual friend of the pod. Know we say that

450
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot about Jeffrey Katzenberg and Tom Hanks, but Andrew Bank,

451
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: he's listening this episodes for you, the Stories for you.

452
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Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me of this incredible story. The

453
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Speaker 1: Jamaica mistake a story. It's January. Jimmy Buffett's private seaplane,

454
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: the Hemisphere Dancer, that he was piloting, was mistaken for

455
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: a drug smuggling vehicle by Jamaican police, who then opened

456
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: fire on the aircraft with Jimmy inside, along with his

457
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Speaker 1: illustrious passengers Bonno, Bono's wife and two children, and Island

458
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Speaker 1: Records co founder Chris Blackwell, and according to Jimmy Buffett's memoir,

459
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Speaker 1: they were all having a jerk chicken lunch together, which

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Speaker 1: I would like to have been a fly on the

461
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Speaker 1: wall there. Thankfully, it seems like the Jamaican authorities had

462
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: terrible aim. Of the one hundred shots they fired at

463
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett's plane, only seven made contact with the slow

464
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Speaker 1: moving aircraft, cracking the windshield and only slightly damaging the fuselage.

465
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Speaker 1: Bono later spoke of this herring event. He said, these

466
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Speaker 1: boys were shooting all over the plate. Can you do

467
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: a Botto accent? These boys were shooting all over the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

468
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: you get calling. I felt as if we're in the

469
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: middle of a James Bond movie. Honestly thought we're all

470
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Speaker 1: going to die. You can't believe the relief I felt

471
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Speaker 1: when I saw the kids were okay, oh no, sts trays, guitars,

472
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Speaker 1: se you know what he said when he saw the cops. Hello, Hello,

473
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Speaker 1: got too most you know. Fiona Apple says she decided

474
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: she never wanted to do cocaine after spending an evening

475
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: with a gacked up Quentin Tarantino and p t A.

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Speaker 1: I just saw that clip. That clip was on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I would rather eat a bullet and then be stuck

478
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Speaker 1: on a private plane between Jimmy Buffett and Bono. I'm sorry. Uh.

479
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Speaker 1: The Jamaican government acknowledged the mistake a mistake, but an

480
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Speaker 1: intificial and an official official statement um, and they apologize

481
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Speaker 1: to Jimmy Buffett, who immortalized the incident in the song

482
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Jamaica Mistake recorded for the album but not a Wind.

483
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: And this plane is now on display in front of

484
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Speaker 1: the Orlando Margaritaville Cafe at the Universal CityWalk at Universal Studios.

485
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: Not quite as good as a museum, but I'll allow it.

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Speaker 1: Have you folks been here before? No? Well, it's basically

487
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: like if the cafe was Margaritaville. As you meditate on that,

488
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more too much information after

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Speaker 1: these messages, Jimmy's Big God. Longtime listeners to the podcast

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Speaker 1: will know that I love jim Croachy so so dearly

491
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, in a lot of ways, you

492
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: can say that jim Croachy died so that Jimmy Buffett

493
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Speaker 1: could live back to the seventies Key West, a home

494
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Speaker 1: of smugglers, surprising mid century literary figures. Uh. Anyway, and

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00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: Tennessee williams um So this is the climate of seventies

496
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Speaker 1: Key West. And as biographer Ryan White writes in his book,

497
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Beffett a good life all the way. Had he

498
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: left Nashville for New Yorker Los Angeles, he'd have been

499
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: just another folk singer working the song mines. But Key

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Speaker 1: West didn't have a Jimmy Buffett. Key West gave Buffett

501
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: a canvas. No other songwriter had all that and a

502
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: hammock from which to work a place in the shade

503
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: to think. Sure, I guess it wasn't quite. It wasn't

504
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: all fun in the sun. Some of the bars where

505
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: he played had the chicken wire barrier from Blues Brothers

506
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: surrounding the stage to protect people from getting pelted with

507
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: beer bottles. But you know, he had kind of this

508
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, so he was well positioned to turn all

509
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: this into grist for the mill and Jimmy actually cites

510
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: a turning point in his career as September nine when

511
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Jim Crowcey and then his accompanyist Yeah It's Good guitarist

512
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: also died died in the plane crash act. She had

513
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: been signed to ABC Dunhill Records, and they when he died,

514
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: as the music industry callously does, they wanted to just

515
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: get another version of him to fill that slot, and

516
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: they picked Jimmy Buffett to promote as the next Jim Crouchy.

517
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: And you know, Buffett says he didn't think he would

518
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: have stayed in the music business or become successful if

519
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Croachy hadn't died. And you said, you've pinned down some

520
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: anecdotal evidence that they were they were pals. Yeah, I've

521
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: been having a real hard time finding anything concrete. A

522
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: lot of like Jimmy Buffett fans site message boards of

523
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: which there are many, Yeah, have talked about this. I'm

524
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: saying in old interviews that like kind of pre Internet

525
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: era interviews. And I did watch clips from the Jim

526
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: Croachy Behind the Music episode which is on YouTube, and

527
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: they do talk about Jimmy Buffett visiting the Croachy family

528
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: farm in Pennsylvania. So I believe they were friends in

529
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: some capacity. Mortifying. Uh, but you can kind of see

530
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I think the comparis. I mean, if you see kindly

531
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: finally sketched portrait of niche American regional figures with a

532
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: delightfully quirky turn of phrase and short story writer's went

533
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: sure whatever and Buffett can't hold a candle to coach

534
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: you monster, Sorry, ABC Dunhill sends a film crew down

535
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: to Key West to make an introductory short literally called

536
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Introducing Jimmy Buffett, in which Jimmy talks about life in

537
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: the area and smuggling weed. Uh. In four he had

538
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: a minor hit with Come Monday, a wistful ode to

539
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: the Keys set in places that are not the Keys.

540
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: But sadly, this golden era of lackadaisical, drunk weirdos and

541
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: the Florida Keys was changing. Tourists were beginning to flood

542
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: into the area, perhaps spurred by the ghost of Hemingway

543
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: or the hundred and fifty tons of weed washing up

544
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: on the shores daily. It's interesting to me that torres

545
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: started flocking to the Florida Keys just basically off the

546
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: fantasies that they saw presented to them in beach party movies,

547
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, the Frankie and that, My beloved Frankie and

548
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: net movies. And I think it is interesting because jimm

549
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: Buffett's whole output is really the next chapter of the

550
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: whole early sixties fund on the sun California myth thing,

551
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: the mythical American paradise that doesn't actually exist on the map,

552
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: but exists in the popular consciousness or the hangover developed

553
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: after all of those beach parties. Think it's interesting that

554
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: this early sixties California myth helped inspire tourists to go

555
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: to Florida, which they inspired Jimmy Buffett just kind of

556
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: revamp that for the whole Margariteaville brands. I just think

557
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: that's interesting to me. But these tourists started to change

558
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: the vibe of the town, and this kind of started

559
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: to bum Jimmy out. You know, when you've been in

560
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: a place for a long time and then tourists start

561
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: coming in and droves and changes the environment. Your special

562
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: place is no longer just yours anymore, gets built up,

563
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: it changes, and you know, this bum Jimmy Buffett out,

564
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: But it gave him the idea for a new song. Yes,

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00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Margharitaville, and it's interesting to me because

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Speaker 1: it's become so indelibly linked with the keys and the

567
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: tropical locale. I was shocked to learn that Jimmy Buffett

568
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: started writing Margharitaville while in Texas. He was visiting friends

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Speaker 1: in Austin in nineteen seventy six, a woman by the

570
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Speaker 1: name of Victoria Reid who would mc at a gig

571
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Speaker 1: that Jimmy had played in San Antonio the year before.

572
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: And this was great for Jimmy. He could save money

573
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Speaker 1: on hotel expenses by staying with a friend and just

574
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Speaker 1: hang out. And during his visit they ate at a

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Speaker 1: Mexican restaurant called Lungs Coachina del Sur, which is sadly

576
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Speaker 1: no longer in existence. And it's here that, according to

577
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Speaker 1: Parrot Head legend, Jimmy Buffett sampled a margarita for the

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Speaker 1: very first time the group of the Sistine Chapel. The

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Speaker 1: waiter handing the margarita down to him the two fingers,

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Speaker 1: and Jimmy, I guess it's suffice it to say, enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Later that night, he sat out on his friend victoria

582
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Speaker 1: Reads deck and started working on this new song. We

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Speaker 1: mentioned author Ryan White's biography of Jimmy Buffett and opens

584
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Speaker 1: the book and really an incredible way. Opens the book

585
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Speaker 1: with a transcript of a hearing before Nevada Gaming Council

586
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Speaker 1: board in which the authorities are asking Jimmy Buffett for

587
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Speaker 1: some reason, uh you when you wrote that song? Did

588
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Speaker 1: you have any idea what it would become? And Jimmy replies,

589
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: it's been a pretty good song. No. It was written

590
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: in five minutes about a hot day in Austin, Texas

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Speaker 1: with a margharita and a beautiful woman. And Victoria Rita

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Speaker 1: said over the years that Jimmy would often joke to her,

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00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: I guess I you some royalties, which, considering it's the

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Speaker 1: most lucrative song in history, which spawned a billion dollar

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Speaker 1: a year business, I'd say yes. Uh. No word on

596
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: whether or not Jimmy Buffett actually paid her, but he

597
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: did shout out Victoria on Instagram in March by posting

598
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Speaker 1: a picture of the two of them together with the

599
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: caption Victoria made many of the margharita's that inspired the song,

600
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: so at least he publicly acknowledged her as the muse

601
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: of the song. Why was Jimmy Buffett testifying in front

602
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: of the Nevada Game and Control Board, probably to open

603
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: because the Margaritaville Ventures or whatever has casinos and they

604
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: were opening. They do have a Margaritaville. The Flamingo. They

605
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: granted him a gambling license in the in two thousand twelve.

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00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, that's when the transcript was, Yeah, what

607
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: a great opening for a book. I mean, what an

608
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: incredible scene setting. Jimmy Buffett, laid back leisure mogul, testifying

609
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: to get a campling licensed in Las Vegas, being asked

610
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: about his biggest hit, unanimously approved the license. Commissioned chairman

611
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: Peter Bernhard said Buffett had been investigated as much or

612
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: even more than any license applicants, but tremendous. Jimmy Buffett

613
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Speaker 1: did not finish the lyrics of Margharitaville that day. He

614
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: actually finished, and when he arrived back in Florida short

615
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: time later, he was driving down to his home and

616
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: the keys back. He later said he got caught traffic

617
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: because of a car accident and finished the song on

618
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: the seven Mile Bridge, which I must imagine is some

619
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: kind of spot of pilgrimage to parrot heads everywhere the

620
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: spot that Jimmy Buffett finished writing margharita Ville. Jimmy said

621
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Speaker 1: that the moment he realized he had something special was

622
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Speaker 1: when he slipped Margharitaville into his very covers heavy set

623
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Speaker 1: list at a local bar, and he said that everyone

624
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: responded to that song immediately, and I thought, well, this

625
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: will work good in my set list. But that's pretty

626
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: much all we thought about it. Um Interestingly, the fact

627
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: that it took him several days to write was unusual.

628
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Speaker 1: His longtime producer Norbert Putnam has said that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: unusual for Jimmy to write a song in the morning

630
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Speaker 1: and record it in the afternoon. Uh nort Putnam, we

631
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Speaker 1: gotta give props to him. He produced Margharitaville in addition

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Speaker 1: to many of Jimmy's other songs and albums. He's a

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Speaker 1: very big deal. He was part of the whole muscle

634
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: shoals scene in the mid the late sixties, and he

635
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: worked with Joan Bayaz for her version of the Night

636
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: They Oh of Old Dixie Down, and he also worked

637
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: with New Riders at the Purple Sage. He's got a

638
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: very very lengthy discography Jimmy met him cover where she

639
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: turns Robert E. Lee into a steamboat. Oh yeah, it's

640
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: in the original version, he said, literally says, there goes

641
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Robert E Lee and she misheard it, and so there

642
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: goes the Robert E Lee on the steamboat. I didn't

643
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: like at least favorite covers. Oh yeah, I love Johnny.

644
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy met Norbert in Nashville, where he pitched him an

645
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: idea of doing an album of songs about his laid

646
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: back lifestyle and the keys, and Norbert wisely suggested that

647
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: they should be near the water to do these kinds

648
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: of songs for maximum authenticity. So they chose Criterious studios

649
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: in Miami, which I mean incredibly famous studios where the

650
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Eagles were working on Hotel California probably around that same

651
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: period actually, but it was also home to the Bgs

652
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: who recorded there, as did Eric Clapton when he recorded Layla,

653
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: So this place had a lot of history. So Jimmy

654
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: and Rbert went down to the studio in Miami, fell

655
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: into an easy routine while making the album that will

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00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: become Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes In November and December,

657
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: least favorite terms of phrase get there eleven in the

658
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: morning out by five pm, and then they go on

659
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Buffett's three three ft sail boat to listen

660
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: to that day's work on cassette, and Norbert would later say,

661
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: for that album, we were trying to get the rhythms

662
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: and the vibe to match the rhythm of the ocean

663
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: waves against the boat. We were going for a vibe

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Speaker 1: on that record. And we'd be remiss not to mention

665
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy's crack backing group, the Legendary Coral Reefer Band. You're

666
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: just pausing from my size, stopped throwing to me for

667
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: the reactions. This is one of the many times I

668
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: wish we had a visual of this podcast, eyes rolling

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Speaker 1: into the back of my skull. The Legendary Coral Reefer

670
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: Band was an amorphous collective that had been with Jimmy

671
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: and at various times. It featured big ish names including,

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00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Timothy Bee Schmidt of the Eagles, John Hyatt,

673
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: Kenny Butchery, Nashville session player played on Neil Young's Harvest,

674
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: among many, many, many many every big blond blonde and

675
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: self portrait, Big Big Deal, Russ Kunkel and Jerry Jeff Walker.

676
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: I guess did time in the Coral Reefer Band too,

677
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: But there have been many, many special guests, including Paul McCartney,

678
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: Cheryl Crow, Brian Wilson, Roy Orbison, and Harrison Ford. But

679
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: in Harrison Ford play, Washboard Size and the Coral Roofer

680
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: Band were crucial creating the sound that Jimmy dubbed golf

681
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: and Western, which it's not only very evocative name, you know,

682
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: sound of the golf shore mixed with you know, country

683
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: and Western. It's a clever punt on the old Gulf

684
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: and Western conglomerate. And as you might imagine, it's a

685
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: style that combines American country and rock with cribby immodalities

686
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: and instruments like the steel drum and the rimbas on

687
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: electric pianos. But as writer J. S. Succina wrote and

688
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: her tremendous piece and eater Marguerite de Ville in the

689
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Myth of American Leisure, well, his songs are full of

690
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: steel drums. Lyrically, they are mostly about being a white

691
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: American man dreaming of the Bahamas without Bohemians. Yes, accurate.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I just found? You will never

693
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: be able to guess. Why are you searching? Harrison Ford's

694
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: role in the Jimmy Buffett Band. I found it possibly

695
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: apocryphal citation that he is credited with bull whip sounds

696
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: on a song called Desperation, Samba, Halloween and Tijuana. This

697
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: thing about these grade school asked rhymes more importantly in

698
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: an interview with ABC's Barbara Walter in Uh, that's right,

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00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: Barbara Walters, folks, in two thousand eight, Harrison Ford revealed

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Speaker 1: that he got drunk in celebration of either Jimmy Buffett

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00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: or Ed Bradley's birthday, and he got quote enthusiastic about

702
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Ed's ear rings and went out and got

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00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: one right after lunch. There was a period when he

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00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: had ear rings. Yes, you heard it here first, folks.

705
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Maybe not first, but you heard it here recently. Harrison

706
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Ford's ear ring is directly traceable to getting day drunk

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00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Buffett. The whip sound of course, I mean

708
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones. Yeah, so I'm a bit wow amazing. So

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Speaker 1: one day back in six Jimmy Buffett comes into Criterion

710
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Speaker 1: Studios and tells producer Norbert Putnam then he wants to

711
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Speaker 1: record a new song about a day in his life

712
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: and Norbert recalls thinking, oh, like the Beatles a day

713
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: in a life. Not really. Well, I guess they both

714
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: kind of have existential dread. But um, I'll let Norbert

715
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: take it from here. Here's a quote from an interview

716
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Speaker 1: that he gave to Sound on Sound in two thousand three.

717
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy comes in and starts telling me about a day

718
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: he had in Key West. He was coming on from

719
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: a bar and he lost one of his flip flow

720
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: so he stepped on a beer can top and he

721
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: couldn't find salt for his Margharita. He says he's writing

722
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: lyrics to it, and I say that's a terrible idea

723
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: for a song. He comes back in a few days

724
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: later with Waste It Away again in Margharitaville and plays it,

725
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: and right then everyone knows it's a hit song. Hell,

726
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't a song. It was a movie. That's a

727
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: various suit point about margharita Ville. The song, yes, And

728
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: they recorded it with Nashville level efficiency, and within half

729
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: an hour the basic track was complete, classically dry. Wikipedia

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Speaker 1: description of the lyrics quote. The three verses describe his

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Speaker 1: day to day activities. In the first verse, he passes

732
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: his time playing guitar in his front porch and watching

733
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Speaker 1: tourists sunbathe all while eating sponge cake and waiting for

734
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Speaker 1: a pot of shrimp to boil. In the second verse,

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00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: he has nothing to show for his time except the

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Speaker 1: tattoo of a woman that he cannot remember. In the

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00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: third and final voice, he blew out his flip flop

738
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: stepped on a pop top, cuts his heel, and cruises

739
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: on back home to ease his pain with a fresh

740
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: batch of argaritas. That is some genius dot Com level annotation.

741
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: Thank you Wiki editors. But there is a long loss

742
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Bargaritaville verse not dissimilar to the Dead Sea scrolls, and

743
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: it touches on what you said about how the wonderful

744
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: dirt bag Aura of the Key West was becoming distilled

745
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: with I don't know, not pure of heart tourists. Uh.

746
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: And it's a little you know, it's a little pointed,

747
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: little nasty, and you expect from old Jimmy. And it

748
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: has been supposedly edited out to make this song more

749
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: radio friendly, although he does sometimes sing it live. Uh.

750
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: And that verse reads as such, old men in tank

751
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: tops cruising the gift shops, checking out Chakda's down by

752
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: the shore. They dream about weight loss, which they could

753
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: be their own boss. Those three day vacations can be

754
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: or become such a bore. I don't know. If you're

755
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: in like kind of a relatively sleepy town somewhere, and

756
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: then it becomes a tourist destination, that's that's gotta be tough, man.

757
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: But like, what do you what do you like? It's hypocritical,

758
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: It's like all the it's like people being like Williamsburg

759
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: was so much better before all these people, when I

760
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: was the only one gentrifying it. Okay, yeah, yeah, Well,

761
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: well while you're in a mood, um, this is probably

762
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: a great time for you to touch on the hidden

763
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: darkness of Margaritaville's lyrics. I'll let you dig into this. Yeah,

764
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say that I don't dislike

765
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: some of the better like some of these parts of

766
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: his songwriting. I really love the uh, the verse progression

767
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: that course, sorry, the chorus progression that the point of

768
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: view narration takes um and it's nobody's fault, could be

769
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: my fault. It is my fault, yes, um. And you

770
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: draw the parallel to Dancing Queen at the beginning and yeah,

771
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: it's you know, these quintessentially up songs that mask a

772
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: much darker underside. Uh. There's a site called Mike Drop.

773
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Music writer named Daniel Rosen wrote for a piece called

774
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: a way too Detailed analysis of Margaritaville by Jimmy Buffett,

775
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: which I say, Rosen, listen to this show. We'll give

776
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: you a way too detailed adation is his quote. At

777
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: its core, bargharita Ville is about falling into a pit

778
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: of self loathing and self destruction. Take a look at

779
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: the lyrics of the chorus. Notice how Buffett is wasting

780
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: away again in Margaritaville. Not only is that supposedly relaxing

781
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: lifestyle taking its toll on Buffett, it's also something he

782
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: can escape. Perpetually living the tropical vacation lifestyle and drinking

783
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: all the alcohol that goes along with it is breaking

784
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Buffett down. At the end of the chorus, he's left

785
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: with a question of how he ended up in Margaritaville.

786
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Buffett is lost, really making this in a cough gasque nightmare.

787
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Rosen cites the changing lines at the end of the chorus,

788
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: which we just talked about. He says, our narrator is

789
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: starting to realize that he has a problem with living

790
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: perpetually in Marguaritaville, and he wants to change it, but

791
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how, and he thinks it's too late

792
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: to change his lifestyle. Finally, Buffett is admitted to himself

793
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: that the cycle of destructive vaca ation, NG relaxing and

794
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: alcoholism is a cycle of his own creation. He's fully

795
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: admitted to himself that he got himself into this mess

796
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: and only he can get himself out. So do we

797
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: think that Jimmy escapes or the character that he's portraying,

798
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: does he get himself out of this? As I said earlier,

799
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: cough esque nightmare of his own creation? God, what what

800
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: are you seeing? Mm hmm, Well, I'm just thinking about

801
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: this song. I'm thinking about you know, fine whatever the

802
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: song is fine. I guess it's the parrot heads I detest.

803
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned the eater piece are earlier. It's a threat.

804
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Also in that piece, uh jr Writes this is not

805
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: a song about someone who rejects the pressures of workaday

806
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: life in order to pursue radical pleasure. This is about

807
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: a man who is depressed and perhaps on the run

808
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: from the law for whom shrimp and sea and tattoos

809
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: provide no peace, and who needs blended drinks to hang

810
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: on to whatever semblance of a life he has left.

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00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: It is not escaping, it's fleeing. So in that same piece,

812
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Sexina goes to make a really interesting point about the

813
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: American preoccupation with work that essentially gives rise to this

814
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: whole perma vacation, margharita Ville culture, the industrial margharita Ville complex.

815
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: How did I not make that joke? Yeah, it's a

816
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: great piece. It is incredible piece. You should all check

817
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: it out. And she writes, in America, leisure only exists

818
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: in relation to work, and we are culture that fetishizes work,

819
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: even leisure, that nonproductive time is spoken of through its

820
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: value to production. We all need time off so we

821
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: can be better workers when we return. And yeah, and

822
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: you know, American workers take fewer vacation than almost any

823
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: other country. We work far more hours each week. You know.

824
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: Again a really sharp piece of cultural analysis. She uh

825
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: talks about how Dolly Parton re recorded a Super Bowl

826
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: ad that essentially recasts the dissatisfaction of nine to five

827
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: as part of quote unquote hustle culture. Uh, and she

828
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: writes culture of hustle and greed disguised as effortless relaxation

829
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: created Jimmy Buffett and Margueritaville. Many of his songs and

830
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: now his resorts and restaurants and the entire aura he

831
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: projects are about escape from your life, which assumes your

832
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: life is something you want to escape. If the inspiration

833
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: from Margarita Ville is a song that a man who

834
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: has left it all behind to do nothing, the resort

835
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: may as well be a theme park for conspicuous leisure.

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00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: You two can leave it all behind and then come

837
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: back and brag about how you left it all behind

838
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: to assure yourself you indeed did that. Tremendous leisure becomes

839
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: an exercise in labor. You have this rare opportunity for

840
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: nonproductive time, something to be scrimped and saved for, so

841
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: you must chill out. You cannot waste this. That's very insightful, man,

842
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when you consider how much it actually costs.

843
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you know there's a margarite of a retirement complex. Right.

844
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: He's essentially created relaxing. He's essentially created a system in

845
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: which people spend their entire working lives saving up to

846
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: pay him to relax, buy into this notion of forever

847
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: leisure built off of a very specific tenure window of

848
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: lawlessness and decrepitude in the Florida Keys. In a lot

849
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: of interviews, he describes his concerts as cheap vacations for

850
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: people in the Cold States, and he's been very I

851
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: think we touched on this later, but he's been very

852
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: open about what he does as escapism. Uh, and you know,

853
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: everybody needs to kind of like let go and chill out.

854
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean it's tough to take. I get back to

855
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: what my dad said years ago about Wow, Jimmy Buffett

856
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: made a boatload of money by singing about doing nothing.

857
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: It's almost like, on one hand, he seems to approach

858
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: it from a genuine ployees of like, yeah, everybody's just

859
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: chill out and kick back and relax, which we as

860
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: a culture do. But it's very hard to take that

861
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: seriously when you think of this guy who's the head

862
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: of a multi billion dollar international corporation built on that

863
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: very ethos. So yeah, it gets tricky. And again it's

864
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: like it's all built on such a fleeting investant moment.

865
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, in a way, it's admirable. How much hey,

866
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: he's spun out of I don't know how long was this?

867
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: Five years I was down there? How long would you say,

868
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Beffitts period in which he has capitalized was in

869
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: relation to his career. Oh, you mean like the golden

870
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: era of the Smugglers and the beach Bob three years

871
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: got there in November seventy one and record of this

872
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: in November December seventy six. Yeah, five years. Tremendous. What

873
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: a ratio we'll think about. I mean like the you know,

874
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: go down to Greenwich Village now and you see the

875
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: cafe wall and you see all the remnants of the

876
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: beat poet era, which absolutely you know, at the bitter

877
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: end they ripped me off. Go to the you know

878
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: you live out in the Bay area and go to

879
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: hate Ashbury and the whole era that was really only

880
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: like a place for actual social change for like eighteen months,

881
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: maybe two years in the mid sixties. By the time

882
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven the whole Summer love thing happens,

883
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: it was already gone, Like the whole movement was already

884
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: moved elsewhere. So, yeah, it's interesting to see people who

885
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: make a career, be it in songs, in movies and books, whatever,

886
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: out of a very fleeting social movement that they then

887
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: just replay over and over and over again sold it

888
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: back to This is really the story of American capitalism, right,

889
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: you said, create a moment, destroy the moment through the

890
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: inevitable machine of capitalism, and then sell the moment back

891
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: to the very people you robbed it from. Didn't you

892
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: say that? That was one of the theories of the

893
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: meaning of the Truman show them. There was a paper,

894
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, um hegemony, Yes, the cultural theory of

895
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: hegemony about how media exists to sell your dissatisfaction with

896
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: it back to you. Antonio ets. That would be uh,

897
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: Italian Marxist philosopher Antonio gramsc about how film and television

898
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: co opts your enchantment and disenchantment with themselves and sell

899
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: it back to us deep in this all right, Buffett, Fine,

900
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: we're making hay out of this, out of this thing

901
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: I hate. We're going to take a quick break, but

902
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more. Too much information in

903
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: just a moment. Well, given that insightful yet thoroughly depressing

904
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: read on the song, it makes a certain amount of

905
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: sense that it was nearly recorded by another artist who

906
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: was famously crushed under the weight of the excesses of

907
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: the American dream. Yes, that's right, I'm talking about Elvis.

908
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Pressley. Jimmy Buffett claimed while taping episode of CMT

909
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: Crossroads that Elvis was on deck to record Margaritaville. You

910
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: know what, that makes perfect sense. But then he died

911
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: in August, a few months after Jimmy himself released the song,

912
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: and he never got around to it or refaked his

913
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: own death to get out of it. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

914
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: I could actually see that. I mean the cribba I

915
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: can't picture. Well, we did Blue Hawaii see, Yeah, yeah exactly.

916
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean really like, if country music is rock and

917
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: roll with all traces of black people removed, then Jimmy

918
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: Buffett is is sort of dark universe Elvis, right. The

919
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: only thing remotely black in any of his music is

920
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: steel pans, which were probably played by white guys and

921
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: a backbeat, you know, mm hmm, yeah, No, that's interesting.

922
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: So that's a As we continue tunneling into the dark,

923
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: cancerous heart of Margaritaville. Sadly, America did not content to

924
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: it upon its release. It sort of did. Margheritaville was

925
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: released on Valentine's Day ninety seven, a welcome dose of

926
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: tropical sunshine that brightened up the winter doldrums up north.

927
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: It peaked at number eight on Billboard and became the

928
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: fourteenth biggest selling song of the year. And Margaritaville is

929
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: really Jimmy Buffett's only true chart hit, as evidenced by

930
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: the name of his Greatest Hits collection Songs You Know

931
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: by Heart Jimmy Buffett's Greatest Hits, and the essen Hits

932
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: is in parentheses, so it was. He cops to it

933
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: as a modo Cooma soft awareness that him. He says

934
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: that Margharitaville is on his list of the fifteen songs

935
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: we have to Play or Get Killed, which I enjoy.

936
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: The sales were respectable, but nothing astronomical. According to the

937
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: BBC documentary The Richest Songs in the World, Margaritaville is

938
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: not in the top ten. The two highest ranking pop

939
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: songs are You've Lost That Love and Feeling by the

940
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Righteous Brothers and Yesterday by the Beatles. Happy Birthday was

941
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: number one, of course. Uh. It was famously a copy

942
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: written song until I think very recently and it would

943
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: pulling upwards of fifty million dollars a year. They're also

944
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: whopping three Christmas songs on the Richest Songs in the

945
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: World list. White Christmas Gotta be one of them. Still

946
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: give that his first record had sold no more than

947
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: forwdard copies. Getting number eight on Billboard from Agaritaville was

948
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: a big deal of a Jimmy and he found out

949
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: that the song was a success in sort of a

950
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: cute way. Uh. Just before the song was released, he

951
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: went on a sailing trip to the Bohamian island of

952
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: stan O k exactly you say that, And sailing was

953
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: always very important to Jimmy, and that was really what

954
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: he spent his first real record industry money on this

955
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: thirty three ft sail boat. And he called this boat

956
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: his insurance policy. And I can sing, and I can write,

957
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: and I can sail, So if this all goes to hell,

958
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: at least I can see the rest of the world.

959
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: I got a boat. That was him talking about his

960
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: beloved boat. I think it was called Euphoria or Euphoric,

961
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: I forget what it was. So he's walking around this

962
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: Bohemian island and he saw the only telephone on the island,

963
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: and he decided to call his record company to see if,

964
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: in his words, he still had a job. And that's

965
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: when he learned that the record was a success and

966
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: he needed to get back to the mainlands immediately and

967
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: start touring, and and and yet another Eagles connection. The

968
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: changes in Latitude's album really started to take off when

969
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett started opening for the Eagles during a series

970
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: of dates during their Hotel California tour that same year

971
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen I can't believe you didn't read the heading

972
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: for this, which is the Eagles make life Worse. I

973
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: found a very sweet tribute Jimmy wrote when Glen Fry died,

974
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: and he very pointedly does not mention Don Henley. He

975
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: thinks almost everyone else in the Eagles not Don Henley,

976
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Can you think of any more anyone more?

977
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: Tight asked and diametrically opposed to Jimmy Buffett and Don Henley,

978
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: James Brown, I can almost see them being so far

979
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: like opposite ends of the circle that they're almost sure close,

980
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: which is probably why they don't like each other. Yeah,

981
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know that they don't like

982
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: each other. I'm just I'm just saying that, based on

983
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: what you're implying, you're libelous statement twenty three out of

984
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: seventy four for this episode, and so began the tour

985
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: that basically hasn't stopped. He's had over forty of them

986
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: over the years. He makes way more money from touring

987
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: than he ever did records. As I said earlier, Margaritaville

988
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: is only top ten song. Between his concerts grossed over

989
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: four hundred million, and that puts Jimmy Buffett alongside people

990
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: like the Rolling Stones and You two and Elton John

991
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: and his ferocious road dogging rivals. Bob Dylan's never ending

992
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: tour and caters to a fan base is really only

993
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: rivaled by the Deadheads in terms of intensity. Yes, of course,

994
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the parrot Heads. As you mentioned earlier,

995
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: coins by ex Eagles member and Coral Reefer band mate

996
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: Timothy B. Schmidt. Famous parrot Heads include Harrison Ford, Al Gore,

997
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Don Johnson, Jay Leno, General, Norman Schwartz, Cough apparently Christ

998
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas, Bill Murray makes a lot of sense, Brian

999
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: gumble Less, Angelica Houston, John Elway. Too many to mention

1000
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: but we have to give special mention to Bill Clinton.

1001
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: He was such a fan of Jimmy Buffett. That is,

1002
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: Chief of Staff John Podesta arranged for a surprise Jimmy

1003
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: Buffett performance on the White House lawn in August two

1004
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: thousand as a belated birthday present for Bill. And this was,

1005
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: I guess the end of a second term, and the

1006
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: gig was kind of an affectionate nod to the time

1007
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: that Jimmy Buffett sang for him on the campaign trail

1008
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: back in, which was sort of a highlight of very

1009
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, early campaign. So this was all a surprise,

1010
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Buffett and the Coral reefirst had to be

1011
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: smuggled in to the White House grounds with stealth and secrecy,

1012
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: and press were excluded from the event, which had an

1013
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: audience of two hundred White House staffers and one presidential

1014
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: aid complained that the younger members of the administration only

1015
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: recognized Margaret Fretaville. How dare they not know his deeper cuts? Hey, Jimmy,

1016
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: you know I got you guys. Uh got you guys

1017
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: in through the Kennedy sex tunnels. Uh. Now we have

1018
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: to extend into what I like to call the Margharitaville

1019
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: cinematic or the Margarite of extended universe. You know, I

1020
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: gotta be grudgingly give it to him. He's a medium,

1021
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: funny guy, good storyteller, good storyteller, does sketch uh good scenes.

1022
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: He's apparently been three New York Times bestsellers, which is

1023
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: Jesus in Christ. Sorry you have to cut all my

1024
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: profanity or bleep it whatever. But what are his books about?

1025
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: Probably the same stuff as songs are about. Or is

1026
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: Adventures in Key West before five years? Five years of

1027
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: his life paving the way for the next gets better?

1028
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: He has number one best sellers on both the fiction

1029
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: and nonfiction lists. Last I checked, only seven other authors

1030
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: have achieved this level of success, So it puts him

1031
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: in a camp with Ernest Hemingway, John Steinbeck, and Dr Seuss?

1032
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: Does It get better? Jordan's? Is it really become old

1033
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: and decrepit it? Our bodies fall apart, our loved ones

1034
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: leave us, and then we're alone, and then we die

1035
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: in a way, we're all wasting a wig and Margaritaville

1036
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: part of darkness. We're gonna do a couple of style

1037
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: a documentary about this podcast, where we both have heart attacks.

1038
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: By the end of it wasted away again. You should

1039
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: cut a trailer of this, of me naked, like I

1040
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: said in the hotel room, just looking out through the

1041
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Venetian blind. Its Margharita Vill Buffett, speaking of classic cinema,

1042
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: Jimmy's tried to branch into other forms of media, Not

1043
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: content with his domination on the wax and the page.

1044
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: He called a movie, of course, he called it Margharita Ville. Colan.

1045
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: The movie subtitled a love triangle adrift in the Bermuda Triangle.

1046
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Yeah, it was just startic. How boy

1047
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: and an ex smuggler who would join forces. Synopsis reads

1048
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: his follows. Margherita Ville is about two guys from different

1049
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: worlds who become great buddies as they won travel from

1050
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: island to island in the Caribbean, having adventures and meeting

1051
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: various eccentrics. And two resolved their comic love triangle with

1052
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: a beautiful girl, and three save the island of Margharitaville

1053
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: and the way of life it symbolizes from the forces

1054
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: of greed and hypocrisy as opposed to turning the island

1055
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: of Margharitaville into something that symbolizes greed and hypocrisy, so

1056
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: they basically he pitched Pushing Sun Dance and he wanted

1057
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: to get Robert Redford as one of the roles. There

1058
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: you go. This stay in development all throughout the eighties

1059
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: with a host of drafts. Mike Nesmith of The Monkeys

1060
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: was signed on to produce and direct. Only if this

1061
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: would have had the bizarre energy of that acid movie

1062
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: that the head, but Mike Dosmuth was like a big

1063
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: Basically this came out more when he died like a

1064
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: Sine east Well invented MTV basically invent the music videos,

1065
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: which obviously from experience on The Monkeys makes a lot

1066
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: of sense, although the televisual elements Tue Tue Tu true

1067
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: can't say the same about Jimmy Uh. He sent the

1068
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: script to Harrison Ford of Day Drinking and Getting Ears

1069
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: Pierced Fame and Robert Redford who played Cowboys. Harrison Ford,

1070
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: you will remember Han Solo was a space smuggler. Oh yeah, wow,

1071
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: yep yep, yep, yep, yep um. But apparently they both passed,

1072
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: so sad never made it out of development. Hell but

1073
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy did get his moment on screens both big and small.

1074
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: He has made cameos and several movies and TV shows,

1075
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: including Repo Man. He's in feaking Repo Man. Ye Alex

1076
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: Cox movie. What he's in some incredible Yeah, Repo Man.

1077
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: Additional blonde agent, Holy Cow. That is that is something Congo,

1078
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: the Michael Crichton movie about cyborg guerrillas. This gets better

1079
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: and better. He must have a relationship with Michael Crichton

1080
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: because he was also in Jurassic World when which was

1081
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: the novels. Really he was long dead by them though, Yeah,

1082
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: but maybe it was some kind of like deathbed Like

1083
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: I like the idea that his agent is like his

1084
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: manager is just like has their figure on the pulse

1085
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 1: of like semifringe sci fi movies going through Hollywood anyway. Yeah,

1086
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: he plays a bartender fleeing a Tyrannosaurus attack, carrying away

1087
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: to Margarita's. Bizarrely enough, he turned down the opportunity to

1088
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: appear in the Pirates of the Caribbean movie the first

1089
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: one two thousand three. He had played a pirate and hook,

1090
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: which I think I neglected to mention earlier, So it

1091
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: would have been a return to four of him and yeah,

1092
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: and you know Keith Richards turns up in that, And

1093
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: which one is Paul McCartney. Hand, he's in the one

1094
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: from I think seven team over the most recent one,

1095
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: probably most likely the last one. Um oh wait, there's

1096
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: a sixth one coming. But not content with only movies,

1097
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy also extended his his octopus like arms to the stage,

1098
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: to the gray white way, treading the boards and I'm

1099
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: running out of Broadway cliches. He and the Pulitzer Prize

1100
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: winning novelist Herman Wouk WOWK, I think wow. He did

1101
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: mutiny on the Bounty too. I think no, the Caine Mutiny. Yeah.

1102
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: They collaborated on a musical in based on Wow's novel

1103
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: Don't Stop the Carnival. The book is about a Manhattan

1104
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 1: press agent having a midlife crisis who leaves New York

1105
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: for the Caribbean. It played Miami and was panned by

1106
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: the Orlando Sentinel, and then went to the Atlantis Resort

1107
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: in the Bahamas, where it played until two thousand one.

1108
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: Sadly never made it to Broadway. Uh. He had other

1109
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: Broadway offers to theater guys tried to pitch him a

1110
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: sort of Bruce Springsteen esque one man show thing where

1111
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: he kind of played his kind of played his hits.

1112
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: This is hilarious. He turned it down because it wouldn't

1113
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: have made him enough money because of the cost of

1114
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: hiring crew members, which tracks well again his stories he

1115
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: stars are making you know, hundreds of millions of dollars.

1116
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't need this, Yeah, and then he finally uh

1117
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: succeeds in I guess this is two thousand eighteen with

1118
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: his uh escape to Margharitaville. I'd like to see escape

1119
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: from Margharita Ville. Unsurprisingly, it's about a bunch of beach

1120
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: guys in the Caribbean. Ah. That is astounding to me.

1121
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: He turned down a run on Broadway because it wouldn't

1122
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: have made him enough money because the tech people were

1123
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: all Union. Anyway, while we're on the topic of savage,

1124
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: unfettered greed, Jordan's tell us about his ascendency into one

1125
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: of the richest musicians of all time. Yes, the elephant

1126
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: in the room during this whole episode is the fact

1127
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: that Jimmy Buffett turned this anthem of lazy down with

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: the man headenism into a billion dollar empire. How did

1129
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: he do that? You ask, well, like all good business people,

1130
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: he sued the restaurant train cheat cheese. Let's take it

1131
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: back a bit. Jimmy Oh has had his eye on merch,

1132
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: just like many gigging musicians who make most of their

1133
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: money on touring. You know, musicians who don't have a

1134
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: lot of hit records who can pull in a big

1135
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: audience know that merch is a crucial way to make

1136
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: a lot of money on tour. I mean you're a

1137
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: touring musician, yeah, baby, you make money on T shirts?

1138
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: ID I knew a guy in a metal band who

1139
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: had a bunch of those, like really graphic, like beautifully

1140
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: illustrated T shirts for his band at the Mercht like

1141
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: ten different T shirts designed at their birth standing. He

1142
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: was like, Man, I don't play music, I should I

1143
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: sell shirts? I mean yeah. Jimmy took a similar approach

1144
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: to this, a similar mentality to this, most of the

1145
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: ground zero for his desire to make his own shirts,

1146
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: but seeing his name misspelled on bootlegs Jimmy Buffett, Yeah,

1147
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: he saw it spelled with one T, and he said,

1148
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: I'll make my own I love okay that I respect

1149
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: that I like a lot. Yeah. Um so, Jimmy Bubit

1150
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: opened his first Margaritaville store and Key West in five

1151
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: and he explained this rationale in interview with the South

1152
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: Florida Sun Sentinel. He said, quote, I know I'm just

1153
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: a mediocre singer and writer, but I'm a great performer,

1154
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: and that's what counts. I'm one of the few living

1155
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: legends left. But I try not to think how long

1156
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: I will last. I just try to remember to duck,

1157
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: because it might all go to hell in a moment's notice.

1158
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: That's why I started my store. I figured if I

1159
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: couldn't have my music career anymore, I could still capitalize

1160
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: on my audience. I don't just sell them T shirts.

1161
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: I sell them a Jimmy Buffett lifestyle, cookbooks, music books

1162
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: I like to read, so at least these very not

1163
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: only aware of this, but also fine. We've been talking

1164
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: about it, but things got weird in the early eighties

1165
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: when the restaurant chain Cheat Cheese attempted to trademark Margaritaville

1166
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: as a drink special, and this got Jimmy Piste. And

1167
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: although you can't legally trademark a song title, his lawyers

1168
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: argue that Margueritaville had become indelibly link with Jimmy Buffett

1169
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: himself and Chechees responded to this claim with a bit

1170
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: of catty legally ease, saying, quote, if a nexus exists

1171
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: between songs and restaurants, the opposer could claim and equal

1172
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: next is exists between songs and the tangible items of

1173
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: the universe. There being sarcastic, but this was kind of

1174
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: a light bulb idea for Jimmy Buffett and his organization.

1175
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: Why not brand everything the tangible items of the universe?

1176
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: And as soon as the court ruled in his favor

1177
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: against Chee Cheese, making Jimmy Buffett and Margharitaville basically one

1178
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: and the same in the eyes of the law, that's

1179
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:44,479
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. Casinos, restaurants, resorts, jewelry, clothes, beer

1180
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: and alcohol, a serious XM radio network, a record label,

1181
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: even a retirement community called Latitude Margharitaville for parrot heads,

1182
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: quote fifty five or better. There are now sixty Margharitaville

1183
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 1: bars and restaurants across the United States, Mexico, Canada, in

1184
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: the Caribbean. I would continue with all this Margaritaville branded stuff,

1185
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: but frankly, I am bored. Everything you can imagine it exists.

1186
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: It's like the what was rule forty three of the Internet? Yeah,

1187
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: so the rest assured. All this Margharita Ville merch has

1188
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: made Jimmy Buffett a very rich man. Margharita Ville Holdings,

1189
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: which is owned solely by Buffett and his business partner,

1190
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: has recently brought in two billion dollars annually, and you

1191
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: better believe Jimmy gets a cut of that. He ranked

1192
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: thirteen on Forbes list of wealthiest American celebrities, with a

1193
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: net worth of five hundred and fifty million, and other

1194
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: musicians rank higher. You've got your Sean Combs, You've got

1195
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: your jay z S, you've got your Dr Dre's. But

1196
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett basically did this on the back of a

1197
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: single song. And that's what makes him and his story unique.

1198
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: Margaritaville has seven chords, it has two d and eight words,

1199
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: is written in just a few hours, max. But it

1200
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: is kick started a multibillion dollar empire. As I said

1201
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,959
Speaker 1: at the top of the episode, Bloomberg has called Marguerita

1202
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: Ville the most lucrative song and history, and for an

1203
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: article published a couple of years back, I think. They

1204
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: interviewed a man named Robert brown Eyes, who is a

1205
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: professor of intellectual property at the George Washington University Law School,

1206
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: and he said, if there's anything on the same scales

1207
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: Marguerita Ville, it's not a song, it's a motion picture,

1208
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: which is what producer nor Putnam actually described the song

1209
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: as initially way back when they recorded it. Um getting

1210
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: back to this law professor, he says, when you're talking

1211
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: about hundreds of millions of dollars, you have to think

1212
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: in terms of Star Wars or Winnie the Pooh or Transformers.

1213
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: That's probably in the same order of magnitude. When you're

1214
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: talking about valuable songs that normally depends on royalties. You

1215
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: like said earlier, White Christmas, you've lost that Love and

1216
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: Field and Yesterday or Happy Birthday. But Margaritaville is different

1217
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: in that it's a secured trademark. The title is a

1218
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: secured trademark, uh, making it no longer a songwriting copyright,

1219
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: but a whole multinational business empire. And this law professor

1220
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: continues from a larger business perspective when you combine the

1221
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: two and look at what the song stands for as

1222
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: a lifestyle and there's a branding vehicle. It's worth far

1223
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: more than Happy Birthday. I can't think of another example

1224
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: of a song that has had that total impact. Jimmy

1225
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: Buffett really was, in a lot of ways miles ahead

1226
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: of the curve when it came to building a brand,

1227
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: setting the stage for people like Dr Dre with Beats

1228
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: or Dolly Parton with Dollywood, or many other examples that

1229
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: I can't think of. Offhands, yeah, and like greedy Crest

1230
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: commercialization of just like trying to trademark every single thing

1231
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: under the side, like Taylor Swift trying to file a

1232
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: trademark for the phrase shake it off for like Highlie

1233
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: Jenner trying to trademark rise and shine, like my god, yeah,

1234
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 1: talking about the machinery of capitalism being oiled with the

1235
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: blood of the workers, like the English language is now

1236
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: just like another thing you can buy. Didn't Some college

1237
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: recently copyright the word yes Ohio State ah oh boy,

1238
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: and they won. Oh my god, that was just like

1239
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. The has been a rallying cry in

1240
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: the Ohio State community for many years, and Buckeye fans

1241
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, oh God, should we let this cup for you?

1242
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:34,440
Speaker 1: A corn area. Sure, whatever man um the Margariteville lifestyles

1243
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: brain worms have infiltrated me. I feel myself becoming more

1244
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: relaxed the moment I could go for margharita, perhaps the

1245
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: largest one ever. Appropriately enough, the Guinness World Record for

1246
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: the largest margharita ever was broken on October eleven in Vegas,

1247
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: Baby Margaritaville locations. Of course, do you think he was

1248
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: going to let that happen on? Not on his watch?

1249
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: Probably would have descended with the margharita Ville Gestapo black

1250
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: bag to the bartenders. He would to hire the Jamaican

1251
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: authorities that shot at his plan? What's the holding cell

1252
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: at Margharitaville resorts? Like? How terrible do you have to

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Speaker 1: be to get you have to get arrested in a

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Speaker 1: Margaritaville Oh my god. Okay, eight five hundred gallons in

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Speaker 1: a tank that measured one in short of seventeen feet

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Speaker 1: tall ten ft in diameter, approximately three hundred man hours,

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Speaker 1: divided across sixty people, and named Lucky Rita. That was

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Speaker 1: the name of the record breaking margharita. Lucky Rita. It's

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Speaker 1: a lovely rita. Oh maybe I was just thinking Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it feels half as to me that should

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Speaker 1: have gone back to the board, uh and celebrating the

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Speaker 1: inauguration of said margharita Ville casino at the Flamingo in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. All right, wrapping up, Yes, this feels like

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Speaker 1: an appropriate note to go out on an ostentatious bordering

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Speaker 1: on grotesque display of excess in the tackiest city of America.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's impossible to ignore the joy that

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Speaker 1: this song and the lifestyle around that brings to people

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Speaker 1: on a mass scale. As a little boy, I saw

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Speaker 1: it up close with my own two eyes, with my

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Speaker 1: father and his friends. You can't take that away from people.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy himself describes the song Margharitaville as quote pure escapism.

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Speaker 1: I was just lucky enough to have my thumb on

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Speaker 1: the pulse. My concerts are a party, a cheap vacation

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Speaker 1: for people in cold climates, and as writer J. S.

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Speaker 1: Seccina observes, an incredible eater piece I keep referencing. Margharitaville

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Speaker 1: has been completely recontextualized. After decades of serving as an

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Speaker 1: anthem for burnt out yuppies, hedonistic kids, or idealists of

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Speaker 1: every stripe. It's no longer a song about a man

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Speaker 1: whose life is obviously a mess. It's a song about

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Speaker 1: defiance in the face of this existential despair. To use

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Speaker 1: her words, it's a song about quote insisting, despite all

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Speaker 1: evidence of the contrary, that you're having a good time.

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Speaker 1: Delusional maybe, but choosing to be happy counts for something, right.

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Speaker 1: That's what my therapist says. At least, we'll give the

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Speaker 1: last word to Jimmy himself. Last year, he told Arizona Central,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really part of the human condition that

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Speaker 1: you've got to have some fun. You've got to get

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Speaker 1: away from whatever you do to make a living or

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Speaker 1: other parts of life that stress you out. I think

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Speaker 1: that was jim Jones pitch Well, Heigel, We've wasted the

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Speaker 1: way in Margaritaville for long enough. I've found my shaker

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Speaker 1: of salt, so I think it's time to cruise on

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Speaker 1: back home. Folks, thank you for listening. We hope you'll

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Speaker 1: tune in next time for our ninety minute exploration of

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffet song math Sucks. Until then, I'm Jordan run Tog,

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Speaker 1: I'm Alex Tagel. We'll catch you next time. Too much

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Speaker 1: Information was a production of I Heart Radio. The show's

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk. The supervising

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Speaker 1: producer is Mike John's. The show was researched, written, and

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Speaker 1: hosted by Jordan run Talk and Alex Heigel, with original

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Speaker 1: music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Punk Orchestra. If

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