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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for Dake Edith Steak, is.

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Speaker 1: That woo woom?

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Speaker 3: And Tom Maties, Oh does it feel good to hear that?

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Speaker 2: It's not an accordion. It's the small accordion, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I am your Captain,

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Speaker 1: Ty hilden Brandt. He is your Lieutenant Dan Rubinstein. And this,

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Speaker 1: for the first time in four years, is the two's cruise, Dan.

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Speaker 1: We brought it out of the botel scrape, the barnacles off,

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Speaker 1: the present, sir, Welcome back aboard.

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Speaker 2: Oh the smell of the salty air, Tye once again,

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Speaker 2: the digital salty air, as the sounds are wafting off

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Speaker 2: little accordion. Look, it's it's filling me with a good

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Speaker 2: amount of joy and cannot wait to get into this episode, ty,

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Speaker 2: because I think we have quite the fun exercise ahead

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Speaker 2: of us.

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Speaker 1: Indeed we do so. Look give us a subscriber or

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Speaker 1: follow wherever it is you fund your podcasts. We did

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Speaker 1: this style of episode four years ago. The last time

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Speaker 1: we did it was in twenty nineteen. We had a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday episode. We called it The twos Cruise. It was

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Speaker 1: a college football show. It was weirdly but amusingly nautically themed.

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Speaker 1: Everything had a boat theme to it, and we decided

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: There was a game that happened late into the night

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Speaker 1: live parlay thanks to look at You, Thank You, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Arizona winning that game twenty seven to twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps we could talk a little bit more about that

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Speaker 1: Oregon State especially is a big freaking iceberg, are they not?

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Speaker 2: They are absolutely with Oregon on the road and Washington

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Speaker 1: So with that being front of mind, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: Dan Yes, okay, so this is this is the exercise time.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm more and all who were lost.

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Speaker 2: I was at the Titanic Museum in Belfast, big fan

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Speaker 2: it was fine when it left right, absolutely in good shape,

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Speaker 2: So this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna look

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Speaker 2: selling that a little bit before we started the show.

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Speaker 1: Georgia. Georgia is interesting, right, So Georgia's schedule the rest

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Speaker 1: I think Mazoo's the answer. And by the way, that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as do I.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Michigan. Dan, Let's let's talk

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Speaker 1: about your Michigan. You don't have to play it every time.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, Let's talk to Michigan. Michigan the rest of

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Speaker 2: Purdue this weekend to be right there, perdue pretty yeah.

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Speaker 1: Should we spend time talking about Michigan Iowa in the

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Speaker 4: Two years ago?

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Speaker 2: Right was it forty two to three being the final?

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Speaker 1: There? What do you think the points for I've got

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Speaker 1: how'd that work out? We know exactly what Penn State

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Speaker 4: Just okay, can I stop?

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you?

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Speaker 4: Can I ask you?

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Speaker 2: Just because we're on it and I don't want to

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Speaker 2: just jump back and forth. Penn State's obvious iceberg because

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Speaker 2: they're still in it with one loss and they can

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Speaker 2: still win the Big Ten. They can still go twelve

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Speaker 2: an unexpectedly crazy impressive finish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Penn State's got Michigan so that's.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they got Michigansburg.

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Speaker 2: So can you take thirty seven to fifty two seconds

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Speaker 1: The only formula is to do just that, because if

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Speaker 2: I almost would rather have Penn State.

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Speaker 4: Need to win through the air.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, Michigan need to win through the air. That like,

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Speaker 2: we have the evidence that JJ McCarthy in a couple

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Speaker 1: I think Michigan, with their constant threat of the run,

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Speaker 1: way to shorten the game, provided you don't make mistakes,

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Speaker 2: Okay, and here's the great news, you know. I don't

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Speaker 2: think a lot of people look at that matchup and

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Speaker 2: first truly real game, right. That's right, And so there

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Florida State. In Ourverballer Top

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Speaker 1: State is in an interesting spot. Man, They're in an

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Speaker 1: interesting spot. I looked at the schedule. I keep looking

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Speaker 2: I guess I might go Florida on the road. And

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Speaker 2: I hate you using that, but I think that's what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with for Florida State here, just

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Speaker 2: just hurt in all likelihood, I think I'm going Florida

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Speaker 2: at home. I think in that sort of rival, we

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Speaker 1: Florida, just that yours man handled this week by Georgia,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Floridas, they almost lost to Boston College, Florist.

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Speaker 1: They almost lost to Boston College. By the way, somebody

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Speaker 1: referring to Boston College as the nine and three goals.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't love highlighting the losses, but that's a number

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Speaker 2: You know what hasn't aged well needing to win last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Florida State.

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Speaker 4: It's really good. Florida hit You're really really good.

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Speaker 1: Florida State beat LSU. Maybe there's some steam out of

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Speaker 1: It was a hell of a football game either way,

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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, Syracuse Duke, and Wake Forest. Yeah, all those

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Speaker 1: This week it's at pitt a healthy favorite there, come

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Speaker 2: Be I think, so next team, next team's Ohio State. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Ohio State. So look, obviously it's Michigan. Is there another

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Speaker 2: On the rest of Ohio states here where are like, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna figure out the scaffolding to build up an argument.

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Speaker 1: So the rest of the way, they've got Rutgers, They've

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Speaker 2: It's clearly Rutgers on the road.

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Speaker 1: It's probably Rutgers on.

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Speaker 1: Other remaining games on this schedule, if you take Michigan

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Speaker 2: I also think, don't they embody the spirit of this

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Rutgers wins, but I think they embody

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Speaker 1: I mean, this would truly be pandemonium in Piscataway. Part Yeah,

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Speaker 1: haven't really seen the full chaos yet, right, we know

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Speaker 2: Okay, Washington. So Washington has the road game against Oregon State.

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Speaker 2: a tough schedule. The rest of it's all Icebergs buildings.

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Speaker 2: it's five, USC, Utah, Oregon State, Wazoo, Wazoo's less of

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Speaker 1: The total for the game this week, it depends where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they're getting through November unscathed. And

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Speaker 4: So I'm not tear worried about Utah in that.

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Speaker 1: A brutal, brutal decision from Jonathan Smith. End of the

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Speaker 1: and you didn't You didn't hear hyde nor hair of it.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was.

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Speaker 2: kinds of stones that size Saboyas in that moment, you

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Speaker 2: better have a play that gets a ball to a

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Speaker 2: fast dude so obviously and cleanly, right, that should be

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Speaker 2: somehow silas Bolden is hiding on the sideline. One of

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Speaker 2: those type plays that's so obvious if it's there, and

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Speaker 2: if it's not there, you call it off. But to

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Speaker 2: toss it to the kicker to get twenty two yards

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Speaker 2: or whatever on the ground, Yeah, unless your kicker is

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Speaker 2: like Jerome bettis right, I don't and even then he's

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Speaker 2: good from two out. It was, and I think Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Smith immediately regretted it after the game. But you have

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Speaker 2: to like a look so much and you have to

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Speaker 2: have a play that so bulletproof and neither one of

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Speaker 2: those things were true if it and so.

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Speaker 1: If it were like twenty seconds left in the first quarter, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: situationally okay, but at the end of the second quarter

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Speaker 1: going into half, giving the team that you know is

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Speaker 1: going to be close with you all game more momentum

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Speaker 1: Arizona getting the ball in the second I just I

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Speaker 1: don't know what that was. Maybe there was some sort

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Speaker 1: of interference in the play call, maybe Condors Stallions is

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Speaker 1: out there, but whatever, Like just a very very odd

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Speaker 1: call of Jonathan Smith. But so Oregon State is your

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Speaker 1: Washington Iceberg.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Oregon State's because of the heights of

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Speaker 2: DJU this year, their ability to run the ball. It's

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Speaker 2: a rebuilt or an expanded research stadium, and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: we're getting down to the last of Oregon State in

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Speaker 2: the Pac twelve. So they're certainly going to be out

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Speaker 2: for blood against teams like Washington and whoever else they

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Speaker 2: have on their home schedule any but it's certainly on

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Speaker 2: the road against Oregon in that rivalry game. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the defense is still going to be an issue.

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Speaker 2: It's a bad matchup for them defensively because I just

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Speaker 2: don't think they have the secondary to hang with Washington.

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Speaker 2: But Oregon State's own ability to control the ball on

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Speaker 2: the ground I think makes for a potential disaster for

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Speaker 2: the Huskies.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Texas, Oh tash Yeah, Texas right now

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Speaker 1: number seven in ourver Bawl or Top twelve poll. Texas

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Speaker 1: an interesting position now. Lost of course to Oklahoma a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, back in Week six, but Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: lost as well this past Weekkend in the Kansas game.

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Speaker 1: Here's how it sets up for Texas the rest of

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Speaker 1: the way. This week a big time game at home

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Speaker 1: against k State, following week on the road at TCU,

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Speaker 1: following week on the road at Iowa State, who is

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Speaker 1: also playing really well as of late, and the close

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Speaker 1: things out at home against Texas Tech in advance of

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Speaker 1: what I think we assume is a big twelve championship

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Speaker 1: game right now looks like a rematch with Oklahoma, but

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma will talk about their icebergs on Patreon as well.

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Speaker 1: So as you look at Texas, Dan, which one to

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Speaker 1: you scares you the most?

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Speaker 2: At Iowa State and I don't love Iowa State because

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Speaker 2: of their offense. If Kansas State were on a neutral

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Speaker 2: field or away. I just I think Kansas State's the

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Speaker 2: best team. I think Iowa State is the most dangerous situation,

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Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. Like I think Kansas State

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Speaker 2: should beat Iowa State farmageddon to end the year. But

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Speaker 2: Iowa State, especially if that games at night. Somebody sent

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Speaker 2: us a stat I saw somewhere anyway that Iowa State

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Speaker 2: at night in ames is something like twenty seven of

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Speaker 2: their last thirty. So there is a certain amount of

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Speaker 2: danger there that depending on quin you Were's health and

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Speaker 2: Malik Murphy's availability and development quickly, that is concerning to me.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the situation over team moment for me.

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Speaker 2: What about you right now?

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Speaker 1: The projected margin that I have is fourteen okay for

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Speaker 1: that game. Yeah, if I got fourteen points Iowa State

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Speaker 1: at home at night, I would take that at a heartbeat,

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Speaker 1: in an absolute heartbeat. I think Iowa State's got to

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Speaker 1: be the answer. The k State game this weekend is interesting,

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Speaker 1: but that's home and I feel like there are going

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of betters really high on k

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Speaker 1: State because they have been nails the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: They've looked really, really good against teams that combined seven

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Speaker 1: and nine. Yeah, and TCU in Houston. Yeah, right, But

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Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a fair amount of

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Speaker 1: team on K State because folks want K State to

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Speaker 1: win by like Texas honestly, in that matchup the Iowa

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Speaker 1: State game, though Iowa State's got a top ten defense,

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Speaker 1: they don't do much on offense, but you can see

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Speaker 1: a world in which they can muddy that up enough

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Speaker 1: to keep it close and have a shot late, and

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Speaker 1: if it's at home at night. We've seen rock Obeck

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Speaker 1: pull some heroics here in the early part of the season,

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Speaker 1: So I would not be at all opposed to going

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Speaker 1: Iowa State. As of Iceberg.

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Speaker 2: I assume that game we doesn't have a kickoff time right,

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Speaker 2: not as of yet, at least not that I'm seeing yet.

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Speaker 2: TBD November eighteenth, Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a pretty big one, pretty big one

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Speaker 1: going into what I think at that point in Week twelve,

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Speaker 1: Texas gets through K State and TCU, they're probably thinking

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Speaker 1: they're on a glide path for the Big twelve championship game.

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Speaker 1: That's the next thing that they're thinking of. And I'm

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Speaker 1: worried about Texas Tech. In Week thirteen, they're worried about

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma or whoever they got to play in the championship

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Speaker 1: game first week in a December, so and I was

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Speaker 1: stayed at that point. I know the Farmageddon games kind

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Speaker 1: of like a big deal, but this is the de

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Speaker 1: facto national championship. If you're if you're you're a Clones fan, right,

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Speaker 1: this part the one that you've got circled. You could

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Speaker 1: play spoiler. Who knows where Iowa State's at. You know,

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Speaker 1: you could finish the year eight and four, nine and three.

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Speaker 1: M I don't think that's out of the question. So

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Speaker 1: this would be a really big deal for them to

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Speaker 1: maybe get one over on Texas against something that they

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Speaker 1: have done recently. So I'm with you. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: the club.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Big twelve absolutely needs Texas to likely

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Speaker 2: win out, yeah, to get into the playoff, because if

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Speaker 2: Texas doesn't win out and they get that second loss

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Speaker 2: and Oklahoma one loss against Kansas is compared against a

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Speaker 2: potential Big Ten champion with one loss, and Michigan might

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Speaker 2: be in that conversation because of their schedule.

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Speaker 4: As for like being left out with one loss.

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Speaker 2: Ohio State has the win at Notre Dame Oregon at least,

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Speaker 2: you know, went on the road and played a power

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Speaker 2: five team. If they win, Washington has been great. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Pac twelve needs a one loss Oklahoma to be

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Speaker 2: in that conversation. If they have a chance, it's all

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Speaker 2: over the place. This is going to play out much

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Speaker 2: cleaner over this next month. But with the number of

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Speaker 2: undefeated and one loss teams in this moment, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of fascinating. Do you have like a top four a

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Speaker 2: few hours or like thirty hours ahead of the announcement tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think I'm Michigan one. I go Michigan one,

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Speaker 1: I go Georgia two, I go Florida State three, and

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Speaker 1: I think I go Ohio State four.

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Speaker 2: I Okay, look, I my actual opinion is that Oregon's

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Speaker 2: better than Washington. If we are being honest here, I

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Speaker 2: think Oregon is better than Washington. I think Oregon has

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Speaker 2: a better chance to win a playoff game than Washington does. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I would have Oregon ahead of Washington, knowing that the

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Speaker 2: head to head data point is meaningful, And I think

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with your top four, especially after Ohio State

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Speaker 2: these last couple weeks, A nice road win against Wisconsin

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Speaker 2: and certainly. The win against Penn State is very meaningful.

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Speaker 1: So look, we're gonna do Oregon, We're gonna do Alabama,

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma and maybe some other teams. Over on Patreon talk

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Speaker 1: of other odds and ends verbalers dot com. We are

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Speaker 1: also going to go through a bunch of questions that

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Speaker 1: we got from the verbawler hood. Shall we motor boat

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Speaker 1: through those?

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Speaker 3: Dan?

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Speaker 1: So the episode isn't two hours long? We got a

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Speaker 1: ton Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's press our face against a lot of

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Speaker 2: information to get through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, So we're gonna do all of that

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Speaker 1: over on verballers dot com. In the meantime for that

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Speaker 1: guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, my Lieutenant Dan Ribstein,

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Speaker 1: for myself, your Captain Tye hilden Brandt, We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you all in a few seconds