WEBVTT - Part Two: How Cigarettes Invented Everything

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, should really get that checked out. Cut me blowing

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<v Speaker 1>my nose, but keep the yell, keep the yell. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a wounded elephant. I feel like a wounded elephant.

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<v Speaker 1>A pollen counting Oregon right now is unbelievable. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>just went outside during the break between episode recordings and

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<v Speaker 1>emptied a magazine from an A R fifteen into a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does not appear to have solved the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you gotta gotta get heavier than that many.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have used the three O eight. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why they went. That's that's why the armies, the Cali.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you want to up a tree? Yeah, you really

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<v Speaker 1>want You really want to move close to that thirty

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<v Speaker 1>caliber range exported to you by six point eight tree

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<v Speaker 1>killer buster. Yeah, that's three thirty eight lap of a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was a young man, times like this, right

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<v Speaker 1>around near the end of the year, my friends and

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<v Speaker 1>I would go out into the woods and we would

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<v Speaker 1>shoot down a tree in order to have a bonfire

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<v Speaker 1>around it. And um, that doesn't really relate to the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of the episode, but we often smoked cigarettes while

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. Not interesting, It's kind of like shooting down

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<v Speaker 1>a tree, isn't it, Because if you're active consumer base,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a bit like shooting shooting down a tree. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you just have to hope that they can grow up

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<v Speaker 1>faster than you can shoot them, which I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also what they say about the human race, because

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<v Speaker 1>one thing you got to give it to us is

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<v Speaker 1>we bred slightly faster than cigarettes were able to kill us.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again a win for humanity. Yeah, the Titanic dub

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<v Speaker 1>so cigarettes did not get to have their real moment

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<v Speaker 1>in the sun until a few years after the dissolution

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<v Speaker 1>of American Too Bad Echo, which again the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>knocks it out in nineteen eleven. Probably somewhere under ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of a merit of smokers, and a much smaller

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<v Speaker 1>portion of the US population um actually smoked cigarettes. So

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty small fraction of the US adult population is

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<v Speaker 1>smoking still, even even as successful as our old buddy

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<v Speaker 1>Duke wasn't getting people to smoke um. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to actually start to change this and and

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<v Speaker 1>really turn around cigarettes fortunes is the First World War. Now, James,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been a trench. Yeah, I mean I've been in

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<v Speaker 1>the company trenches, So that's non professional reasons. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're trenches are not the cleanest places in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it's raining and their muddy. H You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a pipe in a trench necessarily, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you could smoke a pipe in a trench, but stuff's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get in it. That's kind of gross, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not ideal. And when you know, if you're doing trench stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably don't have time to sit down and really

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<v Speaker 1>smoke a cigar. You know, they take a while. Cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>are depends on what rank you're at, doesn't it once

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<v Speaker 1>you write, right, if you're sitting yeah, yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>get up to the field grade officers, they have plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of time for cigars, and they have clean enough areas

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<v Speaker 1>for cigarettes, for for pipes. But if you're a working

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<v Speaker 1>man in the trenches, the best way you have to

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<v Speaker 1>smoke in between getting murdered by German machine guns is

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<v Speaker 1>a cigarette. And that's that's really what causes a shipload

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<v Speaker 1>of people to start adopting cigarettes. That that's what actually

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<v Speaker 1>makes it a mainstream thing. Is World War One. Now death,

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<v Speaker 1>it does go well with death, James. Cigarette adoption had

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<v Speaker 1>crept up only gradually prior to this and it had

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<v Speaker 1>been met by this a really active anti smoking campaign

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time. It's kind of noting that the first

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years of of like the twentieth century, basically from

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<v Speaker 1>like the late eighteen nineties to like nineteen seventeen nineteen eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a very active anti smoking campaign in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's powered by a lot of the same voices

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<v Speaker 1>who are also fighting for prohibition. There were even bands

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<v Speaker 1>on the public consumption of tobacco in some states. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ten, a doctor named Charles Peace founded the Non

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<v Speaker 1>Smokers Protective League, advocating for a public smoking ban in

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<v Speaker 1>America's largest city. In nineteen thirteen, The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>published an op ed opposing the establishment of smoking cars

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<v Speaker 1>in the subway. Now, these people we now know are right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like cigarettes bad, public smoking bad. But they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not. Again, there's not strong evidence that proves cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>cause cancer at this point. There's not really good scientific

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<v Speaker 1>studies at this point. These people are just busybodies, right, yeah, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they can be right for the wrong reasons. Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>are the arguments that they Well, I don't like it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me yet. Chief among the voices of

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<v Speaker 1>small of non smokers is our old friend of the pod,

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<v Speaker 1>John Harvey Kellogg, America's. Kellogg's complaint was quote, smoking has

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<v Speaker 1>become so nearly universal among men, smokers are practically ignored

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<v Speaker 1>their rights trampled upon. Now that that means that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>by being around cigarette smoke, you're having your rights trampled upon.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, we now know second hand smoke is seriously

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<v Speaker 1>bad for you at the time we did it. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest here nineteen seventeen, walking around a city

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<v Speaker 1>that's still filled with horseshit and now leaded gasoline fumes

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<v Speaker 1>from all of the cars rolling around and industrial smoke

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<v Speaker 1>from all of the different fucking coal factories and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Cigarettes are not your number one health risk, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the thing. Number one trampling on your right side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not the biggest problem. Look, John Harvey Kellogg,

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<v Speaker 1>don't give him credit. Yeah, do not give him credit

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<v Speaker 1>for being on the right side of history with this one. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so non smokers. Also, it was not again because there's

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<v Speaker 1>not greats there are some of these people do are

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<v Speaker 1>are ahead of their time and are saying like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is has to be bad for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to figure out like the way in which

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<v Speaker 1>it's killing people later. A lot of them are just

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<v Speaker 1>angry because they think it's gross, and a huge chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of them are angry because cigarettes are popular with women,

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<v Speaker 1>right because women start smoking. That's a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>the anti smoking campaign. In nineteen o four, New York

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<v Speaker 1>State passes a law that makes it a crime for

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<v Speaker 1>women to quote endanger the morals of children by smoking

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<v Speaker 1>in their presence. A woman named Jenny Lasher was charged

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<v Speaker 1>and sentenced to jail for violating it. In nineteen o eight,

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<v Speaker 1>New York City aldermen passed an ordinance restricting public smoking

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<v Speaker 1>by women. From the Washington Post quote. The Sullivan Ordinance

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<v Speaker 1>made it illegal for restaurant and bar owners to permit

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<v Speaker 1>women to smoke in their establishments. The stated rationale from

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<v Speaker 1>bowty moralist and political chieftain Tim Sullivan was that proper

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<v Speaker 1>ladies were offended by women smoking, and it certainly wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>any it's kind of attempt by a man to control

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<v Speaker 1>women's behavior. Despite the ordinance of short duration, it lasted

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<v Speaker 1>only two weeks, the sentiment underlying it was held by

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<v Speaker 1>others as well. Women smoking was viewed by many as taboo,

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<v Speaker 1>associated with what Amanda Amos and Margarita Haglund have termed

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<v Speaker 1>lucian libidinous moral behavior. So it is a good band name,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's interesting. One of the things that cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>do is they make it. They are a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of why it starts to become okay for men and

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<v Speaker 1>women to socialize together who are unmarried, right in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways. So one of the things that is

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<v Speaker 1>common prior to cigarettes becoming mainstream, after you have like

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<v Speaker 1>a big dinner, if you if you have a fancy potty,

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<v Speaker 1>then after dinner, the men will go to smoke cigars

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<v Speaker 1>and the women will, you know, go clean up or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And increasingly in the early twenties, what starts, or in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen nine hundreds, what starts to happen is

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<v Speaker 1>after dinner everybody has a cigarette. And women didn't smoke cigars,

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<v Speaker 1>but cigarettes are new, and so it's not really that

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<v Speaker 1>weird to a lot of modern people that women would

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<v Speaker 1>smoke them. And also there's not women's cigarettes, so everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>smoking the same cigarettes, and increasingly they start doing it

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<v Speaker 1>in the same places together, unmarried men and women just

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out and having a smoke and talking. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of this is kind of in the

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<v Speaker 1>background of the of the suffrage movement, but it like

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<v Speaker 1>cigarettes do play a significant role in the increasing acceptance

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<v Speaker 1>of social equality for women because men and women spend

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<v Speaker 1>time together to smoke. Yeah, it makes not a non factor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>definite time period when there's generally is changing gender roles,

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<v Speaker 1>right with women working in the First World War, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's yeah, that's another part of it, right, is

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<v Speaker 1>like women are taking on men's jobs, why wouldn't they

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<v Speaker 1>be able to smoke? And you know, it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole thing. So smokers also started to organize to

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<v Speaker 1>establish more public smoking places. Tobacco dealers would often back

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<v Speaker 1>and on local efforts to lobby for smoking cars on

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<v Speaker 1>trains or to allow the smoking of cigarettes on the

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<v Speaker 1>rear platform of street cars. Within the military, there were

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<v Speaker 1>strenuous debates as to whether or not tobacco should be

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<v Speaker 1>legal for soldiers. In nineteen o seven, the Surgeon General

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<v Speaker 1>of the Navy had recommended that sailors under twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>be banned from smoking cigarettes. This was outrageous to the

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<v Speaker 1>actual men of the Navy, and one enlisted man wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this in response. If this cigarette recommendation has made the

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<v Speaker 1>rule and such a thing as ordered, it's gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>all us young fellows who like them on the beam.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all right to talk about your cigars and your pipes,

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<v Speaker 1>but cigarettes are cigarettes. And when and when you once

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<v Speaker 1>get to liking the little sticks, there's nothing that can

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<v Speaker 1>take their place, then don't forget that. Life on the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean with none of your women, folks, your girlfriends around

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<v Speaker 1>to break the monotony is a lot different from life ashore.

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<v Speaker 1>And I tell you those dreamsticks help you pass away

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<v Speaker 1>many and dreary and homestick our just a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>navy boys, no women around, sucking down dreamsticks. Dream stakes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Direct quote from Jerbine's speech pardnering people with marijuana for dreamsticks.

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<v Speaker 1>In an unrelated note, I saw a picture of Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden with a quantum computer the other day and it

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<v Speaker 1>just struck me as the most wrong thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>looking at Winston Churchill with a game boy, Like, No,

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<v Speaker 1>those aren't supposed to be in the same photograph. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden should never have lived to see a quantum computer,

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<v Speaker 1>like seeing a diplodocus tamagotchi hanging out. Yeah, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not okay, that's not okay. Um. So opposition to cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>in the military disappeared overnight once the United States got

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<v Speaker 1>into World War One. Much of this had to do

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<v Speaker 1>with black Jack Pershing, the leader of the American Expeditionary Force, who,

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<v Speaker 1>when asked what Americans could do to support their soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>going overseas, gave this reply. You asked me what we

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<v Speaker 1>need to win this war, I answered, tobacco as much

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<v Speaker 1>as bullets. Great it is. Yeah, yeah, we've spoken about

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<v Speaker 1>this before. But the universal true of conflict journalism. If

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<v Speaker 1>you need something you're not sure that someone's gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>it to you, you can probably get it by giving

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<v Speaker 1>someone enough cigarettes. I keep packs on me every time

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<v Speaker 1>I'm anywhere near because, like, and it's not always just

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<v Speaker 1>getting something. Some of that is like you meet people

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<v Speaker 1>and their stand offish because like, I don't know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>fucking soldiers in a war zone whose daily life involves

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with horrible trauma, and they don't know you. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you like bust out some Marboroughs and you sit

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<v Speaker 1>and smoke for like twenty minutes together, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>just start talking you know, like that's a thing. They're useful,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're a great tool for journalism. Well, they're also

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of how they're being used. That's not unhealthy

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<v Speaker 1>by the military because cigarettes spoilers make you worse at

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<v Speaker 1>everything that is important for soldiers, almost everything. Right, today,

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<v Speaker 1>US soldiers who smoke score an average of thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>points lower on PT tests. Cigarette smoking harms your night vision,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's bad for your performance. Yes, they are bad

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<v Speaker 1>for your performance in combat. In addition to like people

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<v Speaker 1>get shot smoking cigarettes cherries. Right, But one thing they

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<v Speaker 1>do is they are a stress reliever. And we can

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<v Speaker 1>debate in the long term it's not a great coping strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>but if your daily job is to get shot at repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't care about the long term. You just would

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<v Speaker 1>like a moment where things feel okay. Yeah, there is

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<v Speaker 1>not a long term for a lot of people. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>especially not. And the other thing that they do is,

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<v Speaker 1>as we just talked about, people bond while smoking. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a part of why men and women. It's a way

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<v Speaker 1>in which men and women start to bond socially in

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<v Speaker 1>a way they had not in a long time in

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<v Speaker 1>Western society and soldiers in the trenches, bond sharing smokes.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a thing that you do with each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't Number one, this is a thing I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think the tobacco industry could have anticipated because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a very human thing. And it's also you can't

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<v Speaker 1>fight this like, there's not there's no nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It's just a thing that people have adopted

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves in a difficult time. Um. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>is ah, this is a problem for the anti smoking people. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously smoking again very bad, uh for everything else that

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<v Speaker 1>makes you be a soldier. But soldiers are not thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about that in the times when they're smoking them. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And in a lot of military planners cases like they're

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<v Speaker 1>also it's hard to argue even though you've got people

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<v Speaker 1>who are in the medical profession for the military being

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<v Speaker 1>like these probably aren't good for people. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>argue that like a guy who you're asking to run

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<v Speaker 1>in a machine gun nest doesn't deserve to have like

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<v Speaker 1>a cigarette. Yeah. Um, And you know, if you know America,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that love for our military is basically the

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<v Speaker 1>not so secret control level lever for the American mind.

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<v Speaker 1>So cigarettes had been controversial prior to World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>but once we start sending men in the field and

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<v Speaker 1>pershings like we need cigarettes. Organizations that had previously lobbied

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<v Speaker 1>nationwide for smoking, bands like the y m c A

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<v Speaker 1>prior to World War One. The y m c A

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<v Speaker 1>is a massive part of trying to ban public smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as the war starts, they start shipping palettes

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<v Speaker 1>of cigarettes battle fields. It's it's great truth. For so

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<v Speaker 1>long you can just put the put this support. The

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<v Speaker 1>troops stank on anything, and people will love it. Here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's interesting. In the cigarette century, Alan Brandt writes,

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<v Speaker 1>volunteers organized smoke funds to collect donations to assure that

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<v Speaker 1>the troops had adequate supplies of cigarettes. The Sun Fund

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<v Speaker 1>amassed a hundred and thirty seven million cigarettes in a

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<v Speaker 1>two month period. Tobacco may not be a necessity of

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<v Speaker 1>life in the ordinary sense of the term, explained The

0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.240
<v Speaker 1>New York Times, but it certainly lightens the inevitable hardships

0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.280
<v Speaker 1>of war as nothing else can do. The National Cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>Service Committee collected the names of soldiers without families to

0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.880
<v Speaker 1>make sure they received cigarettes. Volunteers prepared packages for shipment

0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to the troops under the auspices of groups such as

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<v Speaker 1>the Army Girls Transport Tobacco Fund. Just that's sweet, Um, yeah, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure these people are like, we're also like dying

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<v Speaker 1>of trench foot and would have really appreciated like a

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<v Speaker 1>new pair of songs. Yes, socks probably also would have

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<v Speaker 1>gone over well yeah, I don't know. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>assume the military was already attempting to provide those things,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it is knew that you would provide cigarettes as

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<v Speaker 1>the military, so in the early days of the war, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the US war effort. I should say, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>most aid organizations in Europe provided cigarettes to soldiers for

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<v Speaker 1>a fee, often substantial, regularly made the news back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Soldiers are like, we're paying as much for a cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>at the front as we have to pay back at home,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's kind of fucked up. Now, donated cigarettes were

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<v Speaker 1>only able to solve a small portion of this problem.

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<v Speaker 1>D nine million cigarettes is not a lot, um, if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you know anything about cigarettes, that's not very many.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a lot. It is not. Um. A fucking

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<v Speaker 1>army in the field will smoke through a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine million cigarettes quicker than they'll go through that

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<v Speaker 1>many bullets uh donated cigarettes only yet solved a small

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<v Speaker 1>number of the problems, So the War Department had to

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<v Speaker 1>make the decision to issue tobacco rations to soldiers starting

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<v Speaker 1>in May of nineteen eighteen. The New York Times wrote

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<v Speaker 1>of the decision, quote, a wave of joy swept through

0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the American army today. Uh So it war fever means

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<v Speaker 1>a temporary end to the anti smoking movement. Many men

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<v Speaker 1>who had hated cigarettes prior to the war had become addicts.

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<v Speaker 1>While overseas, right they they you know, they're they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>big hygiene guys before and then they get shot at

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<v Speaker 1>and they have a smoke in the fucking trench with

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<v Speaker 1>their buddy, and then you know, for the rest of

0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.920
<v Speaker 1>their lives they think kindly of cigarettes. Um. And also

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the cigarette is now associated with a

0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.360
<v Speaker 1>hard bitten trench fighter means that you can't attack the

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<v Speaker 1>moral character of smokers. The anti smoking women. They're only

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<v Speaker 1>smoked by criminals and and and not white people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're like, they're they're part of the icon

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<v Speaker 1>of the heroic soldier. Right. So when in nineteen hundred, again,

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<v Speaker 1>barely five percent of the country smoked or like nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o four something like that. By nineteen forty and again sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but in like the start of the nineteen hundreds, about

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the country who smokes tobacco smokes. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>by nineteen forty of the United States adult population smokes

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<v Speaker 1>on a daily base. Yeah, it is a huge increase. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is crazy. Average per consumer consumption escalated to In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundred, Americans consumed about fifty four cigarettes per person

0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.040
<v Speaker 1>per year. Right, that's the average for the whole population.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty three, Americans consume forty three hundred cigarettes

0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:45.000
<v Speaker 1>perch is not expecting that that is so many cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty three hundred Jesus Christ, that's quite a few cigarettes. Yeah, yeah,

0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:59.159
<v Speaker 1>you're ready opting the intake Pokemon car collections now, oh yeah, no, no,

0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of kids are getting a lot of baseball cards. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, those numbers are drive driven up by all

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<v Speaker 1>of the eleven year old smoking twelve thousand cigarettes cigarettes

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:17.480
<v Speaker 1>at once, just burning through an entire carton in a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, this new wave of smokers brought with it

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<v Speaker 1>changes in American smoking habits, largely driven by R. J. Reynolds,

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<v Speaker 1>President of the Reynolds Tobacco Company. Richard Joshua Reynolds had

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<v Speaker 1>been born on July eighteen fifty in Patrick County, Virginia.

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.400
<v Speaker 1>His father was a tobacco farmer, and as a young man,

0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Reynolds worked for his dad's plantation, which absolutely included a

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<v Speaker 1>funckload of enslaved people. R J was just fifteen when

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War ended, bringing with it the first tiny

0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.680
<v Speaker 1>surgeon cigarette usage. He quickly fell in love with the things,

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<v Speaker 1>and he turned his father's company into an industry leading producer.

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<v Speaker 1>And R. J. Reynolds is different from Duke and that

0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Duke when he smoked smoked cigars. Right. He wants to

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<v Speaker 1>sell cigarettes. He thinks they're a good business. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand them, right. He understands how to get people to

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<v Speaker 1>want to buy something. He's a good marketer. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really get what people like in a cigarette. There is

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that R. J. Reynolds loves more than cigarettes. This

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<v Speaker 1>man like you have never loved a human being in

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<v Speaker 1>your life the way this man loves the concept of

0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.399
<v Speaker 1>a cigarette. Uh he is. He is such a cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>lover that he attempts to avoid getting into Duke's tobacco trust. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>He has his own way he wants to do things.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't want to get involved in this trust. He

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<v Speaker 1>wants to sell his cigarettes the way he wants to um.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually gets forced by Duke into the trust because

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<v Speaker 1>Duke uses shady methods to buy two thirds of Reynolds

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<v Speaker 1>tobacco stock to force the company into American Tobacco. And

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<v Speaker 1>despite this, R. J. Reynolds refuses to work with Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>and he even secretly helps the US government build an

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<v Speaker 1>antitrust case against American Tobacco. When the Supreme Court broke

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<v Speaker 1>the trust. Reynolds had one goal to funck over buck

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<v Speaker 1>Duke in his company. In nineteen thirteen, he created a

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<v Speaker 1>new cigarette which featured a mix of American and Turkish

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.920
<v Speaker 1>tobacco to create a blended cigarette. He called this new

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette the Camel. Oh there it is camel cigarettes. Why

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<v Speaker 1>did he choose camel because it's Turkish tobacco. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey camels, two things that are famous, constantly associated with

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Just imagine how it's better be if he

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<v Speaker 1>just called it the Turkey the Turkey right, His angry

0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Turkish nationalists love love the fact of those two things

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<v Speaker 1>that they sound the same I mean he should have

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<v Speaker 1>called it the Greek and then had just a drawing

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<v Speaker 1>of the Anatolian Peninsula on it. They'd be banned there

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<v Speaker 1>to this day. It would have been more war than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty century Europe. I'm gonna quote now from the cigarette century.

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<v Speaker 1>To help distinguish it from its competition, Reynolds offered no promotions.

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<v Speaker 1>Smokers realized that the value was in the cigarettes, and

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<v Speaker 1>do not expect promotions or coupons, he explained. Against Duke's

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.040
<v Speaker 1>earlier advertising devoted to these now traditional promotional devices, Reynolds

0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.840
<v Speaker 1>went modern. Reynolds committed unprecedented advertising money to promote this

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<v Speaker 1>single product, creating a national campaign to make the camel

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 1>cigarette a truly national brand. In nineteen fourteen, newspapers throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the country ran add several days in succession that announced simply,

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<v Speaker 1>the camels are coming. They were followed by a second

0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.119
<v Speaker 1>wave of ads proclaiming tomorrow there will be more in

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<v Speaker 1>this town than all of Asia and Africa combined. Creating

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.120
<v Speaker 1>such expectations and their fulfillment would become a central technique

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<v Speaker 1>of modern consumer advertising. The third ad portraying the camel

0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:43.120
<v Speaker 1>cigarette package read camel cigarettes are here. This advertising campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>and here the term campaign appropriately reflects the strategic technique

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:52.879
<v Speaker 1>met with unprecedented success. Look at that. Yeahah, smart man. Yeah,

0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.919
<v Speaker 1>it's like an iconic brand, Okay, cigarettes, Like I know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are many brands that seem to be as icon

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<v Speaker 1>a cigarette brands, and it's global and yeah, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the start of that part of it, right, because

0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 1>cigarettes have started to go viral in this but not

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.880
<v Speaker 1>necessarily on a brand basis. Right, you do have kind

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.719
<v Speaker 1>of some of these early brands, but they all like

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.359
<v Speaker 1>every tobacco company has a bunch of different brands and

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.199
<v Speaker 1>they sell different ones of different regions. Reynolds is the

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<v Speaker 1>first guy to be like, no, not only do I

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<v Speaker 1>want my company to be the biggest, I want this

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<v Speaker 1>one specific kind of cigarette to be everywhere. So when

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<v Speaker 1>World War One ended, Campbell accounted for more than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>pc of the U. S. Cigarette market. Campbell's came into

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<v Speaker 1>vogue just as a new generation of female smokers came

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<v Speaker 1>onto the scene. These women had traditionally taken male job

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<v Speaker 1>had taken traditionally male jobs from men who had left

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<v Speaker 1>to fight, and after helping to save the U. S. Economy,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't take well to the argument that them enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>a smoke with some sort of sin against femininity from

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post. Cigarette advertising companies, which at the time

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<v Speaker 1>primarily employed Mabel advertising executives, quickly co opted the ideas

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.879
<v Speaker 1>of independence that women began to assert at the polls

0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and in the workplace. They targeted women, conveying the notions

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.720
<v Speaker 1>that women who smoked were independent, attractive, and even athletic.

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Lucky Strikes nine marketing pitch to women told them to

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:11.160
<v Speaker 1>reach for our lucky instead of a suite. The message

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>smoke and you'll be thin. Oh great, there is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty fun Yeah minded how long that would take?

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<v Speaker 1>And this is number one. One thing that starts to

0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.600
<v Speaker 1>happen in this is a whole new generation of extremely

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.879
<v Speaker 1>skinny female models starts to become popular because of this

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Lucky Strike ad campaign they helped to create. Like that

0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:37.800
<v Speaker 1>that great thing, that whole trend. Yeah image. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>there's a backlash to this, and there's kind of a

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 1>war between cigarettes and the candy industry. Um, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very funny that one of the cigarettes that will

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<v Speaker 1>come on the market at this time, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>might be Marlborough's. Uh, they're advertising campaign is to like

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<v Speaker 1>push back at cammebll by being like, no, cigarettes and

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 1>candy are both good for you. You You should have your

0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>cigarette and your chocolate. They're a healthy treat. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>the candy industry has to be like the funk are

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you saying about people not eating candy? Come on, we're

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:16.919
<v Speaker 1>not trying to shoot on cigarettes here too. Nice just

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>when they start making candy cigarettes and well, yeah, this

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>is that in this period. One of the interesting things

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>about candy cigarettes when they first get made, they're all

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<v Speaker 1>made with the brands of real cigarettes. So there will

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>be Camels now not legally, they're all illegal. They're all

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 1>candy companies using a brand illegally. The cigarette industry makes

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.040
<v Speaker 1>a concerted decision to never pursue charges over it, to

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>never go after them, because they're like, well, if kids

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 1>get used to picking up a pack of Camels, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a win for us. Yeah, Like, there's no downside to

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>us letting them do this. Yeah, it's a wind for everyone. Great. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that does happen in the post war period

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>is that female smokers are an easier target for anti

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:05.479
<v Speaker 1>smoking advocates than soldiers, who are you know, heroic and stuff.

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>When the Eighteenth Amendment gets past banning the sale of alcohol,

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>moral crusaders like evangelist Billy Sunday turned their attention to tobacco,

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>saying in one speech, prohibition is one now for tobacco.

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.200
<v Speaker 1>The Women's Christian Temperance Union and SHOED issued a pamphlet

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>titled Smoking Next. The first success in this wave of

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the anti smoking movement came in Utah, which banned the sale,

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<v Speaker 1>giving away, or other exchange of cigarettes. The bill's advocates

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.720
<v Speaker 1>included the w C t U and and the Mormon Church,

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<v Speaker 1>both of which emphasized the moral risks of letting women

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>be seen smoking. Senator Edward Southwick, who wrote the bill,

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<v Speaker 1>quoted US Surgeon General Hugh Cumming, which was his real name,

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<v Speaker 1>as saying, if American women generally contract the habit as

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<v Speaker 1>reports now indicate they are doing, the entire American nation

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>will suffer. The physical tone of the whole nation will

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>be lowered. This is one of the most evil influences

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 1>in American life today. The habit harms a woman more

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>than it as a man. Great, thanks you yeah. Intellects

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, real real smart guy, real comer. Hugh Yeah,

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>there were the names he could have been cursed with,

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:15.879
<v Speaker 1>which could have been his first name, could have been worse.

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, but we but you know what will

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>make you come, James, Uh, please in lighten me the

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>sponsors of our podcasts, not their products, which are a

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 1>sexual but the actual people who run in a stock

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>in the companies. Anytime you ask for it, that's good

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to know. That's that's a promise. Yeah, I don't play

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>that in the old context. But ah, we're back. We're

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about come. You know, every time I talk about

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>come on this show, somebody gets up in the subreddit

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, I wish they wouldn't make juvenile jokes aboutcome.

0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 1>It's not very funny. It's exactly be funny to make. Yeah. Look,

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I am never going to stop making cup jokes aboutcome,

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm never gonna stop telling people that when Mitch

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>McConnell comes, all that exits his penis is a mix

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 1>of dry scabs and spider legs. That that well, no juvenile,

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.160
<v Speaker 1>is still funny. It is. It's funny and true. It's

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>it's actually funny. Yeah, it's true, and he can suss over.

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 1>We'll take him to court. Shows show us the evidence, Mitch, Yeah,

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>show us the evidence, Mitch, show us the evidence that

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>when you come the dry scabs exiting year Urethra don't

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>make a sound exactly like crabs scuttling on a soap

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>stone bed. Prove it to me. Prove it to me, Mitch.

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm now physically unwell. Would you like a cigarette? Yeah?

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I've been traumatized and level of this girl.

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to shorten my life. Yes, well, why don't

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>you reach for a lucky instead of a suite? That

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>will help these day maintain my good as physique. So

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>as we've just come back, the Surgeon General has been like,

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>this is going to lower the moral tone of women.

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.959
<v Speaker 1>And again, I just so that I'm not mistaken. Cigarettes

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>are bad. Don't smoke them. These people are technically in

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the right, but they're in the right for the wrong

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>reasons usually, so fuck them. Um. I'm gonna quote again

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>from Alan Brandt here, another supporter of the legislation, noted

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 1>that the fingers of our girls are being varnished with

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the stains of those harmful little instruments of destruction, just

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>as earlier opponents of the cigarette had done. Senator Southwick

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>argued that the use of the cigarette violated the liberties

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>of non smokers, which is fair, offended moral sensibilities, which

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 1>is unfair, and polluted public space, which is we'll call

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that one mixed. We cannot bring our wives and daughters

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 1>to the city, he wrote, and cannot come along without

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>encountering tobacco smoke everywhere. Is it that saturates our clothing

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and nauseates us personal liberty? Ours is as inviolate or

0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>as or should be as theirs? Amazing? Like yeah, when

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>like industry is ripping children's arms off that body. Yeah no,

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>And people are just burning pure petroleum jelly in the

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>back of a fucking model t Yeah yeah, just pouring

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>some lead into the reserve lead tank. Yeah again, fucking

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty two. Your your worst encounter is not going

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to be with tobacco smoke in the streets of the city.

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>The call burning colonialism. Factory isn't a problem. It's women

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>smoking we need to worry about. Now. By nine sixteen

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>states had banned to restricted cigarette sales and promotion, but

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>none of these restrictions lasted long. The disaster that was

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>prohibition and the growing number of tobacco addicts made the

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>anti smoking cause untenable. A chief issue with the fight

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to restrict smoking was the fact that it rested mostly

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>on moral panic grounds. Right again, if all of these

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>people are saying smoking is horrible for your health, and

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>sure we shouldn't be doing it, that's one thing. But

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them are being like, well, women shouldn't

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>be smoking. It's bad for kids to see it. It's

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna stay in their hands. They don't have at this point,

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>they don't have widely agreed upon medical evidence that smoking

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>is bad for you, And in fact, a lot of

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>doctors will argue that smoking is if not healthy, then

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>not a serious harm. It was not as common in

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>this period for to have doctors be like, smoking clear

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>as your lungs, But most of them tended to be like, well,

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not that bad for you, right, It's you know,

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like it is like eating candy, right,

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that's what They's not like eating candy. Please. I'm

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>not saying that someone's gonna get really angry at me.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, if you're a doctor in the twenties,

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>odds are rather than saying smoking is bad for you,

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>saying like, well, it's probably okay to have the occasional

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>cigarette as part of a balanced diet or whatever you know. Right,

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and again, doctors are heavily debating as the thirties dawn

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>whether or not smoking causes cancer. There were studies by

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>this point that showed a correlation between self reported smoking

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>habits and lung cancer, and by the nineteen twenties rates

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>of lung cancer had started to soar. Given all of this,

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>it might seem easy to of a link between cigarettes

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and lung cancer, but it's not all. All you've got

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>in the twenties is that there's a correlation between the two.

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>But obviously cigarettes aren't the only thing that's been introduced

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to modern life in in the early part of the

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>twentieth century. Right, there's cars Now Suddenly people are getting

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of different medications that didn't used to exist.

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.959
<v Speaker 1>All sorts of ship is around that just wasn't before.

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>So how do you know, how do you know think

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>about this? How can you prove if you're just a

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>dude and nineteen twenty two, that the thing causing lung

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>cancer and your friends is the cigarette and not the

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>car or the fucking fluorescent light bulbs, right, like, you

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know, there's not there's not evidence at this point

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you know of this industrial identity, And again, yeah, a

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>lot has changed really quickly. Um, and there's actually there's

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>some surprisingly logical reasons to question the early science. One

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>doctor in critic over fears of cigarette use, one of

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the guys who's arguing against the people saying that lung

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>cancer and smoking are correlated. One of the things he

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>says is that, like, well, when we get lung cancer patients,

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>they have a lung and one they have a tumor

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and one lung or the other. Very few of them

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>have tumors in both lungs. But when you smoke, the

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>smoke is drawn into both lungs equally. So if smoking

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>is causing lung cancer, why wouldn't it be causing it

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>in both lungs at the same time. Obviously we know

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>that just that's just the way cancer works, right, Like,

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>but again, based on the knowledge at the time, that's

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>not a bad point to make, right, he's wrong, But

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:28.959
<v Speaker 1>you can see how a person who is not like

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in the pocket of big tobacco could make that mistake. Yeah, Um,

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>his reasoning is not inherently unsound. Right, he's wrong, but

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>but not because he's like again, later all the scientists

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of this will be doing something

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>fundamentally dishonest. These are just people trying to understand the

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>human body in a period in which we don't have

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that much information about it. Um Other scientists would argue

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>that the rise in lung cancer was attributed to the

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>fact that life expectancy had risen a lot in the

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>first quarter of the twentieth century. People were getting more

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>weird cancers, they argued, because people were living longer. Maybe

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>lung cancer has always been normal once you hit a

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>certain age, and we just didn't have that many people

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 1>reaching it. You know, again, these are not inherently illogical arguments. Now.

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>There were, however, doctors early on who were who figured

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>out what was happening, who knew and who put together

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that there was a link between smoking and lung cancer,

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>But it took data a long time to catch up

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>with that. For one thing, epidemiology is in its infancy

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>in this period of time, the first small batch studies,

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and by the late twenties we have studies that show

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>a correlation between smoking and lung cancer, but there's no

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>control group, so all they show it, So there's no

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>group of people who don't smoke to see what their

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>lung cancer rates are, because that's not a normal part

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>of medical science. Yet they're starting to do that. They're

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>figuring out like, oh, yeah, you should have fucking control

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>groups in your medical studies. But it's not the thing

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>that you just do de rigor. At this point in time,

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it becomes it partly partly as a result of this research,

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and in fact there's a night teen twenty article in

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the New England Journal of Medicine in which this that

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 1>points out, like um, it shows a link between smoking

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and lung cancer. But it also points out that their

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>study and other similar studies are of little value without

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>similar studies on individuals without cancer without control groups. Right.

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 1>So part of why that becomes more common in this

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>period is scientists trying to figure out if there's a

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 1>link between smoking and lung cancer. The scientists who write

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>that nine study, Herbert Lombard and parl During, carried out

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 1>their own small two persons study with a control group,

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and this is the first good quality study we have

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 1>that shows lung cancer. Is it shows a bunch of things.

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Number One, I shouldn't say shows It suggests a bunch

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>of things. Number One, it suggests that lung cancer is

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>not a contagious disease, which how would you have known that?

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, without psich you don't know that people aren't

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>giving it to each other. Right, But it's not some

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.800
<v Speaker 1>weird thing that people got when they started walking in

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the Amazon or whatever. Right, how would you know? Um,

0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>they know, they find they or at least the data

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>suggests that it's. Also there's not a correlation between lung

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>cancer and low quality housing, which was another thing people

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.759
<v Speaker 1>didn't know. It's something about the way we insulate our homes,

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh. They also find out that it's not

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 1>associated with constipation, which was a thing that some doctor

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>And again we can laugh about that, but how would

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:19.879
<v Speaker 1>you know if you didn't do the study? Um? One

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>of the primary like damning thing the study finds is

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that self reported heavy smokers are twenty seven percent likelier

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>to get lung cancer. This is the first scientifically solid

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>evidence linking cigarettes to lung cancer. Now, two person study

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>with a two person control group. That's not definitive, Right,

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that's enough to justify further research. Sure, but that's not

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a huge study. The nineteen thirties are where we're going

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to see the first attempts on a large scale to

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>document the relationship between cigarettes and cancer. The impetus to this,

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>the impetus for this research actually comes from one of

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the few industries that can rifle big tobacco for sheer evil,

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the insurance industry. They are the people who are going

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to bring because they see this early research in like,

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>wait a second, we're paying a shipload of money out

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>on all these fuckers die in a lung cancer. If

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>cigarettes cause it, we need to be charging people more

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 1>if they smoke, right, like, they're doing it for evil reasons,

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 1>but it is important research exactly. So. One of the

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>chief drivers of this is a guy named Frederick Hoffman,

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 1>who is a student a statician at Prudential, and Hoffman

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>notices in nineteen thirty one that a lot of fucking

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>life insurance policies are being filled for dead lung cancer patients.

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>If smoking was the cause, then again, you're gonna need

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>to restructure the way premiums work. A lot of money

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 1>is at stake, which is obviously what interest Prudential. They

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>don't care about the cost of human life. So the

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>thing that Hoffman notices is that in nineteen fifteen, the

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>lung cancer rate stands at about point seven people per

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>thousand people, right about point seven people per every thousand

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and the population are likely to get lung cancer. By

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.320
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty, it's risen to one point one per thousand.

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>It's one point six per thousand by nineteen twenty four,

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and one point nine per thousand by nineteen twenty eight.

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>That means in thirteen years the rate of lung cancer

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>has nearly tripled. Now Hoffman is not bound by the

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>ethical constraints of a doctor, right, he doesn't have to

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>wait until he has really good data to be like

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>smoking causes lung cancer. He sees this, he puts two

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and two together, and he becomes the first prominent pig

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 1>figure to publish a claim that tobacco uses associated with

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.799
<v Speaker 1>a heightened rate of cancer and early death. And he's

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>doing it again to Warren insurance companies. A new wave

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.479
<v Speaker 1>of studies follows, and as the nineteen thirties gives away

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>to the forties, the tobacco industry keeps a worried, watchful

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>eye on this emerging science. They also start exploding their

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>advertising budgets in order to kind of make up for

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the increasing talk in the background about maybe cigarettes aren't

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>so great to look for us. In nineteen eleven, prior

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 1>to the bust of the American Tobacco Trust, the entire

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>cigarette industry profited about thirteen million dollars a year. By

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighteen, the big five tobacco companies were spending more

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 1>than thirteen million dollars every year justin ads. In doing so,

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>they helped create the very language of American culture. And

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quote from a write up in the Journal

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>of Marketing Theory and Practice by Richard Poley. Cigarette sellers

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>were among the most enthusiastic pioneers in the use of

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>network broadcasting for coast to coast advertising. By nineteen thirty

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>American Tobacco, Brown and Williamson, P. Lourellard, and R. J.

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Reynolds were all buying to network radio time. There has

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>been no greater enthusiast for radio advert broadcast advertising the

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 1>George W. Hill of the A t C, whose business

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 1>for the first five months of nineteen thirties surpassed all records.

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>The company sponsors the Lucky Strike Dance Orchestra. In three

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>hour broadcasts each week week. Lucky Strikes sponsored many radio

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>comedies and musical shows, such as Jack Benny and the

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Kay Kayser College of Music Musical Knowledge, and the best

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.080
<v Speaker 1>known and longest of running popular musical shows, Lucky Strikes

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Hit Parade. This show started in nineteen twenty eight and

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>ran into the nineteen fifties on television. It featured teen

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>idol Frank Sinatra when he was launching his career. So

0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>popular was this show in nineteen thirty eight that a

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Sweeps Aches promotion offering free cartoons of Lucky's for the

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>names of the three most popular tunes drew nearly seven

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 1>million entries per week. The Lucky Strike Hit Parade was

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the first show to rank popular music releases in an

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 1>ongoing basis. This is where we get the top forty.

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>The entire structure of the musical industry comes out of

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Lucky Strikes hit points. Yeah, there's crappy Christmas number one singles,

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like podcasts and podcasts we all owe

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>a debt to Lucky Strike every time you mean dick

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>advert just saying well in more ways than what let's

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>let's all give the good folks at lucky strike, a

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>solid go and pick out a pack right now that

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to smoke, and give it to a kid.

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 1>You know they love to smoke. Um, Sophie, what I'm

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>done with my script throwing two ads? Now? I'm throwing

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>two adds Like the good men at R. J. Reynolds

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and Laura Lard and the other grates of the tobacco

0:39:56.680 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 1>industry taught me too, Sophie. I'm i'm I'm to ring

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 1>our ancestors. We're back to cigarette and we're ready to go.

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Cigarettes have now just invented the modern music industry. It's

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:25.879
<v Speaker 1>lunatics taken over, the asygnum taken over. They felt better

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and they yeah, that's that is a lucky strike, if

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.879
<v Speaker 1>you ask me. So. The need to capture smokers young,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>because market research has shown that people tended to be

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 1>brand loyal, also helped to create the modern conception of

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>ad demographics. Right, advertisers start learning how to differentiate and

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>split over. You know, the idea that like the eighteen

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 1>to thirty five males is like the most valuable at

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>that comes out here, right, And it's because like those

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that's when you gotta get them smoking right earlier possible,

0:40:54.719 --> 0:41:00.080
<v Speaker 1>yea ideally I like eleven or twelve. They advertise a

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>lot in colleges, and they also it leads tobacco companies

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 1>to steer more and more towards funding children's entertainment. This

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:10.360
<v Speaker 1>starts with the comics pages a syndicated weekly pop collection

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>called Puck is like massive for cigarette ads, but as

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Pole writes, it quickly expanded beyond that quote. In the

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, many brands used cartoon trade characters in their advertising.

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.319
<v Speaker 1>The ads on Lucky Strikes Hit Parade for a while

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>featured a cute animated character called Scoop, who, through the

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>then impressive technical feat of superimposition, appeared on a screened

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>with the show's star Dorothy Collins. So that's where we

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 1>get who framed Roger Rabbit? Motherfucker's cigarettes taught us how

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>to do that? Philip Morris's US car, Philip Morris's cartoons

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>when advertising on Philip Morris used cartoons when advertising on

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I Love Lucy. Laura Lard created TV cartoon ads for

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Old Gold that featured the voices of their Honeymooners stars

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Gleason and Art Carney. This presage to the Winston

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.320
<v Speaker 1>spots that employed the animated hit characters from The flint Stones,

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a totally cartoon show they sponsored, whose voices, structure, and

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 1>sense of humor all imitated The Honeymooners. And I think

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.879
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are vaguely aware that The flint

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Stones used to have cigarette ads. You do that right? No? Oh,

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 1>that's why it was created. The flint Stones were made

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>as a cigarette ad. Uh. And to get an idea

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>for how blatant this advertising was, you need to see

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>some old episodes of The flint Stones, And I think

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>this one includes a representative scene you should know to

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:32.959
<v Speaker 1>understand what's happening on the screen. Right at the start

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>of this, we see Fred and Barney kind of like

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>hanging out in the yard on their asses while their

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>wives are doing like yard work and house chores. So

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 1>they're like chilling out watching their wives work. Good stuff. Yeah, yeah,

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>let's go around back. Well we can't see him. Do

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 1>we want to do something? Friends? Okay, I was about

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 1>taking on that. I got a better idea. Let's take

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>a Winston break from the cigarette that delivers flavored twenty

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>times a pack. The plan mix the big taste difference,

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and only Winston has it up front where it comes

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 1>here ahead of the pure white filter. Winston pacts rich tobaccos,

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>specially selected and specially that's a good flavor roil. Yeah,

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:41.799
<v Speaker 1>they're still going like cigarette. Uh yeah, that is a

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of cigarette advertising. Yeah. I was at first, I

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 1>was called by the records of it, but then just

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a duration of it. Yeah. Wow, they really were committed

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to selling kids cigarettes. Yeah yeah. Winston also not a

0:43:55.880 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>great name compared to the Camel Camel marborro ye. Just

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>a dude called Winston with little imagination. Yeah wow, that

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 1>was amazing. Yeah, it's the best. Yeah, that is like

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Alex Jones here just transition content ads. Fucking Barney Rubble

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 1>wants to get your ass into a pack of Winston's. Yeah,

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be doing what is it, sucking silver or whatever.

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Alex Jons just trying to tell, you know, like colloidal

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:26.240
<v Speaker 1>silver to see paste that you can shoot up your ass.

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Yeah, nor do I care. I don't

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>think our listener ship over laps, so no one else

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 1>knows either. So it's fine. No, our listeners are buying

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of gold now because of those gold ads running.

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well that's good. It's been a success. We

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 1>have to get him back from the next season. Yeah,

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>we love we love the gold ad people. You know,

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna I'm gonna do a free ad right now.

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>By gold, it's the cigarettes of currency. Well, actually that's cigarettes.

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Gold's almost as valuable as cigarettes in a pinch, So

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 1>pick some up today, smoke it. Why don't you you

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>know what James had an idea, why don't we make

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of We get cigarettes, grind up gold into them,

0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 1>pour gold flakes into the cigarettes, and then sell them

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to rich assholes who have taken Yeah, it's definitely this

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.879
<v Speaker 1>like a thing, isn't it like a vodka rols? Don't

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>think that hash. Yeah, there's a couple of liquors that

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 1>have it. Yeah, you may not necessarily, but I need

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to sign so many gold gold unnecessary gold. So you

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>know how there's you know, pour out some gold liquor

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and uh, yeah, I'm back rapid cigarette. There was no gold,

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 1>but I've got my glass of lead and I'm good.

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>So during the late forties to the early fifties, the

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>science coming out about cigarettes and cancer starts to look

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>worse and worse. The R. J. Reynolds company launches a

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>new campaign for camel cigarettes and nineteen six centered around

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the slogan more doctor smoke camels than you have a cigarette.

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Six years. This is like, this is their main advertising

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 1>push for six years and dentist and twoth busting which

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>cigarettes amazing? Great? Yeah, absolutely, yes, the cigarette that nine

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>out of ten doctors recommend. Reynolds backs up their claim

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.759
<v Speaker 1>that's more stick doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette,

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>with surveys that they said had been conducted by quote

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>three leading independent research organizations. Now they don't name these organizations.

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>One representative ad claims that a survey of a hundred

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and thirteen thousand, five hundred ninety seven doctors from quote

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>every branch of medicine had shown that camels were the

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>brand most often smoked by doctors. That's what you want?

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that the cigarette that your dietrist chooses? Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to know. Yeah, No, nobody, nobody knows what

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>you should be smoking better than a fucking proctologist. That

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>that's that. That's that's who's got it down. Yeah, as

0:46:55.800 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>an obstetrician, my you religious chooses Winston's. Yeah, that would

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>be quite funny, boy, Women seemed to really want a

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 1>cigarette after giving birth? Probably good for you? Uh so?

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 1>R J. Reynolds assured customers that this survey, which totally existed,

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>was an actual fact and not a casual claim, and

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 1>their competitors were all doing the same thing. American Tobacco

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>President President George Washington Hill contracted the legendary ad executive

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Albert Lasker and tasked him to come up with a

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 1>reason why customers should smoke his cigarettes. And I want

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to quote now from a write up in the American

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Journal of Public Health. With no real scientific evidence to

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 1>back their claims, American Tobacco insisted that the toasting process

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that Lucky Strikes Tobacco underwent decreased throat irritation. In fact,

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Lucky Strikes curing process did not significantly differ from that

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of other brands. Related campaigns emphasized that Lucky's would help consumers,

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.439
<v Speaker 1>especially women, their new market stay trimmed since they could

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>reach for a Lucky instead of a suite. Along with

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 1>these persistent health claims, a typical advertisement from nineteen thirty

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 1>boldly stated that twenty thousand, six hundred and seventy nine

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 1>physicians say Lucky They're less irritating. Great now, James, do

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 1>you want to know how they've gotten the information that

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Lucky's were seen as less irritating by doctors, They send

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 1>them a packet of lucky strikes and also did yeah,

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>they're advertising agency Lloyd Thomas and Logan sent cigarette cartons

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>to physicians in nineteen, nineteen seven and ninety eight and

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>then asked them to answer our Lucky strikes cigarettes less

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.080
<v Speaker 1>irritating the tender throats than other cigarettes, and the doctors

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.640
<v Speaker 1>were like, yeah, I want more free cigarettes. Sure, yeah,

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.839
<v Speaker 1>why do I watch this pretty cigarette bok school. I'll

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.359
<v Speaker 1>take that one, great good. That's how science is done.

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.720
<v Speaker 1>That is how science is done. Now, touting the toasting

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:58.800
<v Speaker 1>process and the accompanying cover letter, advertising executive Thomas Logan

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 1>pointed out the virtues of lucky strikes and claimed that

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>they had quote heard from a good many people that

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:06.240
<v Speaker 1>they could smoke lucky strikes with perfect comfort to their throats.

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:10.279
<v Speaker 1>American Tobacco used doctors responses to this survey in order

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 1>to like push the claim that lucky strikes are less irritating.

0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Um the toasting, as they explained as quote, your throat

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:21.359
<v Speaker 1>protection against irritation against coaugh. Thank god, Thank god they

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 1>figured out toasting, otherwise these cigarettes might really hurt people. Yeah, yeah,

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>you got toast him. That's how he public up the cigarettes,

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>and your toast it. Yeah and yeah, no kinds of

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:37.239
<v Speaker 1>for you. Some self self reported adults smoking peaked in

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen fifties at about forty five percent of

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.319
<v Speaker 1>the population. Big Tobacco's ploy to buy up doctors had

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.919
<v Speaker 1>worked for a while, but in late nineteen fifty three,

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the first irrefutable studies linking lung cancer to tobacco use

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 1>were published. Two tremendous public interest, major peer reviewed journal

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>studies had tied not just cancer, but cardiac disease and

0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 1>serious respiratory illness to smoking. The situation was serious enough

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that the head executives of the Big five tobacco companies

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.799
<v Speaker 1>all came together in December of nineteen fifty three to

0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to respond to this news. They picked

0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the Plaza Hotel in New York City as the place

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to map out their strategy, and it is possible that

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 1>no other location in the United States, including the Pentagon,

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 1>has been used to make plans that ended with a

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>greater death toll. The master of the moment was John W. Hill,

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 1>president of the biggest PR firm in the country. Hill

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and Nolton Now. John had been born in Indiana in

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety. He'd spent most of his early career working

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 1>as a journalist. He's a journalist for eighteen years, working

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>his way up the ladder to become an editor and

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 1>a popular columnist. In nineteen twenty seven, he blazed a

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.759
<v Speaker 1>trail that generations of soulless hacks would follow, and he

0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>decided to start a PR firm. By the time nineteen

0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.399
<v Speaker 1>fifty three rolled around, it was the largest PR firm

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:51.279
<v Speaker 1>on the planet. Hill was worth the money, and in

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>that hotel conference room he laid out the bones of

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>what would be known as Plan White Coat. The basic

0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:00.400
<v Speaker 1>idea was to create an industry sponsored research into a

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 1>think take of scientists, funded by tobacco money but ostensibly independent.

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.280
<v Speaker 1>This would allow big Tobacco to claim they were taking

0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:10.360
<v Speaker 1>fears of lung cancer seriously, while also providing them with

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 1>disinformation to muddy the waters by painting the existing studies

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 1>is insufficient. I'm going to quote, yeah, it's awesome. It's

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it's so good, no one's ever done. It's it's it's

0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 1>no one, this is not this is not the thing

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 1>that's going to end all life on this planet. No,

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Hell did not just build the apocalypse bomb. Yes, yeah,

0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ. Yeah. Well, they've given us everything from Pokemon

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:38.440
<v Speaker 1>cards to time It change. It's incredible. Cigarettes are amazing. Yes, wow, Yeah,

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 1>something one of the single most important inventions in the

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 1>history of the planet. Yeah. God, and people die of starvation,

0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.799
<v Speaker 1>you know. And here we are. We've made a cancer stick,

0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and we've we've created new and exciting ways to lie

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:58.479
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's amazing. It's so cool. Kind of him. Who, God,

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 1>what a great product. I'm a quote now from a

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 1>two thousand twelve article in the American Journal of Public Health.

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 1>The industry had supported some individual research in recent years,

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.760
<v Speaker 1>but Hill's proposal offered the potential of a research program

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 1>that would be controlled by the industry yet promoted as independent.

0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:16.239
<v Speaker 1>This was a public relations master stroke. Hill understood that

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 1>simply giving Yeah. Hill understood that simply giving money to

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 1>scientists through the National Institutes of Health or some other entity,

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:27.320
<v Speaker 1>for example, offered little opportunity to shape the public relations environment. However,

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>offering funds directly to university based scientists would enlist their

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 1>support independence. Moreover, it would have the added benefit of

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>making academic institutions and partners with the tobacco industry in

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 1>its moment of crisis. Hill and his clients had no

0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 1>interest yeah in a Hill and his clients had no

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 1>interest in answering a scientific question. Their goal was to

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 1>maintain vigorous control over the research program to use science

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:54.360
<v Speaker 1>in the service of public relations. Although the tobacco executives

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.680
<v Speaker 1>had proposed forming a Cigarette Information Committee dedicated to defending

0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:01.720
<v Speaker 1>smoking against the medical findings, He'll argued aggressively for adding

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 1>research to the committee's title and agenda. It is believed

0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:06.880
<v Speaker 1>he wrote that the word research is needed in the

0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:10.000
<v Speaker 1>name to give weight and added credence to the committee's statements.

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Hill understood that his clients should be viewed as embracing

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 1>science rather than dismissing it. Now again, Hill's a journalist, right,

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 1>That's part of how he's able to do this. He

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:24.640
<v Speaker 1>understands how to communicat he understands how people read things. Um.

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 1>One of the first things he emphasized to the industry

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 1>leaders was that they had to stop competing with each

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 1>other trying to move cartons by convincing customers that their

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 1>smokes were more soothing or healthier than the others. This

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 1>was bad, right, Arguing like Lucky strikes are healthier than

0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Marlborough's is bad for the whole industry, so we have

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 1>to stop it. The key to surviving, this Hill told them,

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 1>was collective action, and one that looked like a commitment

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.919
<v Speaker 1>to public welfare while actually doing everything possible to harm

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 1>public welfare. The Tobacco Industry Research Committee was formed in

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty four and announced its existence with full page

0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 1>ads and more than four hundred newspapers. This ad, known

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 1>as the Frank Statement, claimed that tobacco companies were deeply

0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:07.800
<v Speaker 1>concerned about the welfare of their customers and would pursue

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 1>any in to get to the bottom of this whole

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:13.759
<v Speaker 1>tobacco equals cancer thing. Quote. We accept an interest in

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 1>people's health as a basic responsibility paramount to every other

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>consideration in our business. We believe the products we make

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.960
<v Speaker 1>are not injurious to health. We always have and always

0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 1>will cooperate closely with those whose task it is to

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 1>safeguard the public health. That's good, great, yeah, sure, very honest,

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:35.400
<v Speaker 1>very straightforward. So despite these high minded claims. The t

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:37.760
<v Speaker 1>i r c's agenda was laid out by Hill before

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 1>he consulted a single scientist. The executive director of the organization, W. T. Hoyt,

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>had no scientific background. His previous job had been selling

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>ads for the Saturday Evening Post. Within his first few

0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.799
<v Speaker 1>months of operation, Hot and other executives of the t

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 1>i r C put out a statement directly responding to

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>studies that purported to show a link between cigarettes and disease.

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>It is an obligation of the Tobacco Industry Research Committee

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:04.919
<v Speaker 1>at this time to remind the public of these essential points. One,

0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 1>there is no conclusive scientific proof of a link between

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:11.240
<v Speaker 1>smoking and cancer. To medical research points to many possible

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 1>causes of cancer. And three, the millions of people who

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:17.279
<v Speaker 1>derive pleasure and satisfaction from smoking can be reassured that

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>every scientific means will be used to get all the

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 1>facts as soon as possible. Great, Yeah, it's gonna go well, James,

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna go really well. Yeah, I can see this anying. Well. So.

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:30.800
<v Speaker 1>The first scientific director appointed to the t i r

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 1>C was Clarence cook Little, an extremely prominent biologist and

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>geneticists who had become extremely prominent because he was a

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>popular eugenicist. Yeah. Yeah, it's really funny because cook like

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 1>a little The reason he believes that cigarettes because he's

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 1>a He truly believes that the people who connected to

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 1>cancer is wrong because he believes that lung cancer is genetic,

0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 1>so it can't be caused by an environment factor, like

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in healing cigarettes a year. It's gotta be. It's gotta

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:07.440
<v Speaker 1>be something to do with the fact that certain races

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:11.400
<v Speaker 1>are more likely to get cancer. Oh god, it is

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:14.760
<v Speaker 1>one thing I'll have to you gotta say for a racist,

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 1>this guy probably killed more white people than any other racist. Yeah,

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:26.279
<v Speaker 1>he does drop a lot of white folks accidentally, based well,

0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>he drops everyone else too. Yeah, unlike him, cigarettes don't discriminate, yea.

0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, they would never become a magnet for the

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:40.200
<v Speaker 1>shittiest things in humanity. It is incredible, how many terrible Yeah,

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 1>it's it's amazing. What's gonna happen next? They're gonna like

0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:47.600
<v Speaker 1>stand with the turfs or something. Cigarettes. We just don't

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:52.239
<v Speaker 1>like queer people. I tell you. It's probably in the

0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter book somewhere. Yeah. In nineteen fifty four, the

0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 1>T I R. C S budget was around a million dollars,

0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 1>nearly all of which to Hill and Nolton in various

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.879
<v Speaker 1>ads rather than actual science. B By nineteen sixty three,

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the t I r C was giving out close to

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a million dollars in grants. These funded research, actual scientific research,

0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 1>but they picked the kind of research carefully. So we're

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 1>not going to do research into what causes lung cancer,

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:20.480
<v Speaker 1>but we'll do research into how cancer develops over time

0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and how it grows in the body, and ways to

0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:26.200
<v Speaker 1>fight it and stuff, um, and this is important stuff.

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.280
<v Speaker 1>So they can keep coming out with these studies funded

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 1>by TRC money that are real studies, but none of

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 1>them happened to look into whether or not smoking causes cancer. Right,

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:37.600
<v Speaker 1>we can look at how genetics are virology impacts cancer rates,

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 1>and those are important things to study. But by picking

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>what gets funded specifically, they are very very purposefully putting

0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>better air bags and then no brakes model. Yeah. So

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.120
<v Speaker 1>this strategy worked for decades, distracting the public and lawmakers

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.480
<v Speaker 1>from any actions that might negatively impact the rate at

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.360
<v Speaker 1>which people smoked. Key to the success of this program

0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 1>was hills understanding of how journalism worked. From that Journal

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of Public Health article. Hill understood that the success of

0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.640
<v Speaker 1>any public relations CAN strategy was highly dependent on face

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to face interpersonal relations with important media outlets. Each time

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the t i r C issued a press release, the

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Hill and Nolton organization would initiate a personal contact. The

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:23.360
<v Speaker 1>firm systematically documented the courtship of newspapers and magazines where

0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it could urge balance and fairness in the industry. In

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.320
<v Speaker 1>these entreaties on behalf of the industry, the firm staffers

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.920
<v Speaker 1>repeated several key themes. First, they would note that the

0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 1>industry completely understood its important public responsibilities. Second, they would

0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.880
<v Speaker 1>affirm that the industry was deeply committed to investigating all

0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:42.640
<v Speaker 1>of the scientific questions relevant to resolving the controversy. Third,

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:47.360
<v Speaker 1>they urged skepticism regarding statistical studies. Finally, they offered members

0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of the media a long list of independent skeptics to

0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:55.320
<v Speaker 1>consult to ensure balance in their presentations. Responsible for the

0:58:55.440 --> 0:59:00.160
<v Speaker 1>dozens of direct marketing emails, I guess three single days, Yeah,

0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:04.240
<v Speaker 1>yea great, right now, I'm personally agree for this. Motphone

0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:09.560
<v Speaker 1>cigarettes created everything. The primary independent skeptic, of course, was

0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the t I r C. S Little that's the eugenics guy.

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Given the penchant of the press for controversy and it's

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 1>often naive notion of balance, these appeals were remarkably successful.

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Hilla Nolton expertly broadcast their arguments, typically not based on

0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:25.000
<v Speaker 1>substantial research of any kind, of a small group of skeptics,

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.640
<v Speaker 1>as if their positions represented a dominant perspective on the

0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.560
<v Speaker 1>medical science of the cigarette. In this sense, the public

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:34.960
<v Speaker 1>relations campaign advantaged two critical pieces of mid century media practice. First,

0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:39.800
<v Speaker 1>journalists favored reporting on controversy. Second, by providing opposing positions

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:44.960
<v Speaker 1>as if they were equal, they affirmed their commitment to balance. Yeah, yeah,

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:50.920
<v Speaker 1>that's right, baby, that's right baby. Why pace off? Uh

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>huh yeah, No, they've invented both sides. They did invent

0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>both sides of it. So they gave us Donald Trump.

0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:00.400
<v Speaker 1>It's what they gave us, Donald Trump. They gave us

1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:03.520
<v Speaker 1>climate change denial. Uh. They gave us a lot of

1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the gun industries, tactics, Barry Wise, all of that ship

1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:11.080
<v Speaker 1>comes from big tobacco, they gave us. They gave us

1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the fucking Iraq war. All of these, all of these

1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:16.800
<v Speaker 1>strategies are the things that like we're pie like they

1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:20.200
<v Speaker 1>pioneered all of those strategies and that's where we're going

1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to end for the day. James, Um, yeah, there's yeah,

1:00:24.320 --> 1:00:28.040
<v Speaker 1>let's stop. So I've become enraged. We will we will

1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:32.720
<v Speaker 1>talk in more detail about the tobacco industry later. Um,

1:00:32.800 --> 1:00:37.479
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, this is this is how they like, there's

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a bigger story and kind of how they kept this

1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:44.080
<v Speaker 1>up as it became increasingly obvious that cigarettes caused cancer,

1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and like how they advertised to children and like the

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:50.320
<v Speaker 1>nineties and stuff and Joe Campbell. There's a story, and

1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 1>like how they tried to destroy the lives of people

1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:57.240
<v Speaker 1>who blew the whistle on them, like former tobacco employees. Um,

1:00:57.640 --> 1:00:59.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about all of those one day, but this

1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.240
<v Speaker 1>is this is the story of how tobacco invented everything

1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.160
<v Speaker 1>in the modern world. Yeah. Great, I feel really good

1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.240
<v Speaker 1>about all the things that we've got from it. It's

1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:12.080
<v Speaker 1>cool that you can tie like Funko pops, climate change, denial,

1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:14.320
<v Speaker 1>and the Iraq War all to try and to get

1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:18.400
<v Speaker 1>people to smoke. Yes, yeah, it's really it's really great.

1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:21.800
<v Speaker 1>And capitism and that's nothing but good. Yeah, pokemon and

1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:28.160
<v Speaker 1>medical patents all all have cigarettes to think. Yeah, god, yeah,

1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just unfathomable. It's terrible, it's freaking awful. Yeah, it's

1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it's the nature of the system we live in. Maybe

1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:36.880
<v Speaker 1>change it. It's the nature of the system we live

1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:41.800
<v Speaker 1>in part because of cigarettes. Yeah, very good. Maybe maybe

1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:45.040
<v Speaker 1>consider a different system. Yeah, maybe consider a system in

1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:47.400
<v Speaker 1>which it's not possible to do. The good thing is

1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Robert that none of these issues are tied to vaping,

1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:53.640
<v Speaker 1>which is fine and totally totally normal and good, and

1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:57.160
<v Speaker 1>therefore you should just get a fruit loop vight. Yeah,

1:01:57.200 --> 1:02:00.680
<v Speaker 1>get get a flavored vape um, you know, buy some

1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of that. Uh, I don't know what else? What other

1:02:04.040 --> 1:02:06.600
<v Speaker 1>what drugs do kids like to do today? Get some

1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of Get some of that, Get some of that flavored finnel,

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:12.000
<v Speaker 1>tide pods mixture fitnel and your tide pods together, kids

1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:15.120
<v Speaker 1>have a good one that's doing that on taking the

1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:18.000
<v Speaker 1>talk right now from what I understand, Yeah, TikTok and

1:02:18.040 --> 1:02:21.720
<v Speaker 1>everything that. Any further, is there anything like to plug

1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:28.600
<v Speaker 1>apart from tide pods? Yeah, again, we talked about a podcast.

1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I've written a book. It's called The Popular Front and

1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the ninety six plus Owner Olympics. You can probably find

1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:36.640
<v Speaker 1>it at the library. Then you won't be helping to

1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:39.120
<v Speaker 1>create the system which gave us, you know, Pokemon cards

1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:43.440
<v Speaker 1>and everyone having cancer. Uh and yeah, you can find

1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:46.120
<v Speaker 1>me on Twitter. It's just my name James, like Bob Stet,

1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:50.720
<v Speaker 1>like the Beers. Anarchism is the other thing I always

1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:53.360
<v Speaker 1>like to plug on podcasts. So maybe yeah, read poking

1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and we're doing going nickot happen here at livestream virtual

1:02:55.920 --> 1:03:02.200
<v Speaker 1>show on October. Yeah, motherfucker's yep. So pick up a

1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:04.240
<v Speaker 1>pack of Lucky strikes. I want to see all of

1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:07.000
<v Speaker 1>you beautiful people smoking when we do our live show.

1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Just just really burn them down. Nothing raises the value

1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:19.080
<v Speaker 1>of a house faster than smoking cigarettes and bring go

1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.760
<v Speaker 1>back to your return to tradition by sticking to cigarettes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, smoking them that way. Yeah, smoke your cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional way anyway. Yeah. Buying Behind the Bastards is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of cool Zone Media. For more from cool

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