Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama Girl, Drama girl, all about them
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Speaker 1: Drama Queens, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drahna, Queen's Drama Queens. Alright,
Speaker 1: ladies and gents, we're back. We're here with episode fourteen,
Speaker 1: season two, The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows.
Speaker 1: This originally aired February two thousand and five, and in
Speaker 1: real time. I don't know when you're listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: but you're getting us late at night, and are white
Speaker 1: people may or may not be sober. God, we're all
Speaker 1: going to sound like night sweaty balls. We're gonna just
Speaker 1: talk all, you know. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: I sound like the sloth in Zootopia. Look, I just
Speaker 1: found my my head. So anyways, am I so quiet
Speaker 1: and so far away? Oh? Yeah, my microphones? That's amazing. No,
Speaker 1: you guys, I was just saying I feel like I
Speaker 1: sound like the sloth in Zootopia. I'm like, hello, we
Speaker 1: also just worked a full day on Good Sam which
Speaker 1: hold on, this episode is airing like very soon before
Speaker 1: our episode, before our episode. So maybe let's let's tease
Speaker 1: out a little bit because it's um it's always a
Speaker 1: highlight of my week when we do this podcast together.
Speaker 1: It really is like the nice thing in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a show about like true crime, and it
Speaker 1: is dark, and so I know that once a week
Speaker 1: I get this light at the end of the tunnel
Speaker 1: where we just get to like laugh and joke around
Speaker 1: up and being able to be on set with you
Speaker 1: guys for the first time in a century. Congratulations, I'm
Speaker 1: a hundred years old. Yeah, you floated it on like
Speaker 1: a Sunday, and by like Wednesday, we were on planes.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was nice. It was so
Speaker 1: fast how that happened, and so fabulous and we had
Speaker 1: such a blast. And I'm so excited for the audience
Speaker 1: to watch too, because you know how excited everybody's going
Speaker 1: to mean hit us with the dates every dates and times,
Speaker 1: dates and times. Yes, next week, March ladies are back together. Hello,
Speaker 1: and we had guys, we have something special coming up
Speaker 1: before the Good Sam episode. You're not ready for this.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this and ready for this? Maybe
Speaker 1: they know because we were talking about how it is
Speaker 1: going to be the three of March. Do you think
Speaker 1: they know? I mean, we're not subtle. Guys. What's our day.
Speaker 1: We're doing a live event. We're doing a nice live
Speaker 1: drama queens event. Oh my gosh, it's our second man,
Speaker 1: our second one. Guys. I'm so freaking pumped about this one.
Speaker 1: Um me too. Tell him what our guest Tell him why,
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to be able to be cool.
Speaker 1: You know who our guest is, guys. It's Brian Greenberg's
Speaker 1: coming on the twenty third. I cannot freaking wait. I
Speaker 1: can't wait. And it feels nice to have him on
Speaker 1: our second live event because obviously our first one, our
Speaker 1: Thumber party, was just the gals. But we're very blessed
Speaker 1: in this moment of the rewatch by Jake Jigelski's arms.
Speaker 1: And I think we should ask Brian Greenberg to wear
Speaker 1: a tank look carrying those babies around. He's got carrying
Speaker 1: his babies around and he's probably ripped still. And if
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on Zoom, we might as well give
Speaker 1: the people what they want, don't you think, God, that's
Speaker 1: not one of those white tanks. He is such a treasure,
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Speaker 1: hour with us. Uh, we'll see what Brian Greenberg wears.
Speaker 1: And at ten pm Eastern seven pm. No, it's just
Speaker 1: ten pm every resident. At ten pm, you will go
Speaker 1: from the event into our very special episode. The three
Speaker 1: of us are acting on Good Sam on CBS. We're
Speaker 1: on screen together for the first time as a trio
Speaker 1: in four years. It's gonna be such a fun night.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm
Speaker 1: so curious to see because there were moments when you
Speaker 1: guys came in so she when we first started rehearsing scenes,
Speaker 1: and I caught myself just staring at you both, being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's finally happening. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I have a line, like I have to
Speaker 1: do my job. I'm supposed to be talking, and I
Speaker 1: wonder if any of that just pure staring at you too,
Speaker 1: Like the unicorns in the room is going to be
Speaker 1: in the edit. Well, I did a d R today
Speaker 1: for the good Samuel. You did you do a R?
Speaker 1: I did mind yesterday. It was so wild, like seen
Speaker 1: us all together as grown ups. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet. There we are, We're doing it.
Speaker 1: It was so fun because we had there had such
Speaker 1: a second a secondhand communication. It was a shorthand immediately
Speaker 1: as soon as we got it was like riding a
Speaker 1: bike muscle. Memory just jumped right back. Wow, we haventage pictures.
Speaker 1: We'll post all those two. We have so many photos
Speaker 1: for you event and show on the twenty three. That
Speaker 1: feels like a sign. I mean, of all the days
Speaker 1: our episode could have aired. Mar Hello, are we all
Speaker 1: going to get to went three tattoos on our tramp
Speaker 1: stamp area? Like Hayley? We need to get some somewhere.
Speaker 1: Are we going to get a Roman numeral? Just to
Speaker 1: try to edge it up? It's gotta be cooler. It's
Speaker 1: gotta be cooler. We can't hit the nail right on
Speaker 1: the head. We'll come up with something. You know what.
Speaker 1: This is another thing our our friends and fans, we
Speaker 1: would love for you to submit some ideas to us.
Speaker 1: How do we make twenty three cool? Tell us show us,
Speaker 1: send us smart? Someone going to design tattoos for us?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm into it. Guys. People have gotten our
Speaker 1: signatures tattooed on their bodies. What if we got someone's
Speaker 1: art tattooed on our I would love to see some
Speaker 1: fan design some fantattoos. Maybe a raven with the twenty
Speaker 1: three or just the twenty three altogether. Just I don't
Speaker 1: say like a raven or I'm liking Hillary's idea of
Speaker 1: like a like a Roman numeral twenty three or is
Speaker 1: there some symbol to ravens and then three ravens? Oh?
Speaker 1: All right, you know who I'm a fan of? Who
Speaker 1: our guest this episode. You guys, we're going to take
Speaker 1: a break. Don't go anywhere, because when we come back,
Speaker 1: it's about to get awesome. This is gonna be full.
Speaker 1: In a voice that needs no introduction, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: it is the one, the only. Erica Mars Catherine Bayless,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have no idea how we've been
Speaker 1: gushing about you. You are an icon on our show.
Speaker 1: Erica Marsh came in like a roll of thunder. Sister.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, y'all, that was the most full time
Speaker 1: I've ever had and so close. We were such babies, yeah,
Speaker 1: like like tight. And then we got into a lot
Speaker 1: of messes outside of what are you talking about? What
Speaker 1: missus Angel Catherine? Okay, we need a recap because you
Speaker 1: First of all, I just read this in the bio
Speaker 1: they sent. Were you and were we in bring it
Speaker 1: on again together? Yes? No? Okay, so Joy, you and
Speaker 1: I met from Abigail Spencer. We met in New York
Speaker 1: City and you were singing somewhere, Oh my gosh, the
Speaker 1: Foxy Ladies Love Bookie seventies explosion. How do the words
Speaker 1: that you just said? So then it was the wait pause.
Speaker 1: It was a cabaret that I did at on Christopher
Speaker 1: Street at the Duplex, which is like a big gay
Speaker 1: nightclub in in um oh yeah, oh yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like it was amazing. Um and I did this show
Speaker 1: that was five women doing like the Stretch of the
Speaker 1: seventies theme songs and like well known songs from the
Speaker 1: Stretch of the seventies, and um my dresser backstage was
Speaker 1: Bryce Dallas Howard And who was I know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: She was at n y U at the time, and
Speaker 1: then um, my friend Abby Spencer from We were both
Speaker 1: on soaps together when we did this show. And Abby's
Speaker 1: from Pensacola, which why do you know her? Why didn't
Speaker 1: you know her? Are you from her? From Christopher Danon
Speaker 1: his daddy was on so okay, yes, she and she
Speaker 1: was close with their family. So Abby and I were
Speaker 1: both doing Foxy Ladies Love Boogie Seventies Explosion in sequence. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, every three or four nights a week or whatever,
Speaker 1: doing this cabaret show in New York, And then we met.
Speaker 1: Did you come to see the show? Cat? Of course
Speaker 1: I saw you saying honey, oh my god, saying in
Speaker 1: dance and do everything like you're so talented you are?
Speaker 1: We went, so, how did you end up doing this
Speaker 1: cheer movie? Uh? How did you end up doing? When?
Speaker 1: Did so? We met in New York, but then we
Speaker 1: worked together and bring it on again? Yeah? Okay, were
Speaker 1: you at one of the cheerleaders? No? No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: was like I was three weeks. I feel like I'd
Speaker 1: lead cheer later. But I came to l A my
Speaker 1: very first audition ever in Los Angeles. I went out
Speaker 1: and I went and met my agents and they said, oh, um,
Speaker 1: so we have a gothic cheerleader for you. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not gothis I tried, but I didn't really all.
Speaker 1: I just put on a black shirt. I got my
Speaker 1: gay bestie to like just like read with me, and
Speaker 1: then I went in and they go, we'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and then they go, can you read for like the reporter?
Speaker 1: So I was the multi personality, yes, cremick reporter. And
Speaker 1: I told Dame Santa Stephano was the director. I said, um,
Speaker 1: it would be very cool, like maybe if I just
Speaker 1: like tumbled into my like introduction. So I went and tumbled, y'all.
Speaker 1: I sprained something body and I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: I should have done that. But I still did some
Speaker 1: front stuff stuff, some front stuff. I mean, like I
Speaker 1: always have to give like a show. But remember this now.
Speaker 1: I totally remember this now. That's why because we didn't
Speaker 1: have I don't know if we maybe had one scene together.
Speaker 1: Now I have to see if we can find it
Speaker 1: where I was like, were you interviewing the cheerleaders or something?
Speaker 1: I was and you were being bitchy? Yeah, Like how
Speaker 1: was your character super bitchy? It's so crazy because that
Speaker 1: predates one Tree Hill by how many years? How many
Speaker 1: years to? Yeah, but hey, Sophia, oh no, here it
Speaker 1: comes coms. So I went out for Brook twice and
Speaker 1: I got a call back. No, I was not going
Speaker 1: to say this tonight, but I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love this, I know, and you're obviously you're the person
Speaker 1: for Brook. But they kept on calling me back and
Speaker 1: I was like, and when you got I was like, no,
Speaker 1: she is spot Um, oh my god. You know when
Speaker 1: you get a role, you know, like or like a
Speaker 1: thousand girls went out because their day serves and actresses
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know what, I mean, you knew
Speaker 1: it was yours? No, you just know, but you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what actually, Like, I have the chills, literally,
Speaker 1: I got the chills when you said that, because that
Speaker 1: scene with us after the election in the office talking
Speaker 1: about what we're both afraid of. These two girls who
Speaker 1: don't get vulnerable with anyone for some reason or meeting
Speaker 1: kind of in this little sacred space and getting vulnerable
Speaker 1: with each other, and Erica marsh Is is in it
Speaker 1: in her own way. It was like seeing these two
Speaker 1: girls mirroring each other. Well they're negatives of each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like two sides of the same coin, right, So
Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. Yeah, And um
Speaker 1: so when I got the job, no one, no one
Speaker 1: told me that I was mirroring um Reese Witherspoon in Election.
Speaker 1: After I got the job, someone came up to me.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say who it is. I was at
Speaker 1: a Gilmore Girls because I was on Gilmo Girls before that,
Speaker 1: and um someone said, oh, I get it, now you're
Speaker 1: rased for the Spain. What. Oh that's funny. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't either, you so made it your own. I did,
Speaker 1: but I did um watch election, Yeah, because she's really Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a perfect studied it. But I'm like, I made
Speaker 1: it Katherine Erica. But anyway, she's so funny because they
Speaker 1: didn't tell me that the audition, which is Catherine you
Speaker 1: you're such a good actress and we've been you know, Look,
Speaker 1: there are so many I was saying this when were
Speaker 1: watching the episode. There are so many bad choices that
Speaker 1: so many other actresses would have made in that spot
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a real easy role to do
Speaker 1: the caricature version of yeah yeah, and there's no dimension
Speaker 1: and there's no depth, and it's like you're just what's
Speaker 1: on the page. And when you were on the screen,
Speaker 1: you brought so much in There was so there was
Speaker 1: so much depth. You could tell that this was a
Speaker 1: girl who I mean, how interesting to see a character
Speaker 1: who's fighting for her position, um, but who is wholly
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that this is all she has
Speaker 1: and self aware enough to admit it to another person
Speaker 1: who is her rival. That takes so much confidence, It
Speaker 1: takes so much vulnerability also, um Moxie man and age
Speaker 1: to be able to admit. I just was so impressed
Speaker 1: with your choices. You gave so much depth to her,
Speaker 1: and it made me want to see so much more
Speaker 1: of Erica. Yes, I mean, it's why we got lucky
Speaker 1: we I mean off screen to have you, because it
Speaker 1: could have been an episode or two and none of
Speaker 1: us could take our eyes off you. I mean even
Speaker 1: even the way you know, you come up in the
Speaker 1: hallway and apologize and and you know, say good luck tomorrow,
Speaker 1: like your your dancers posture like informed this girl. Her
Speaker 1: posture was perfect, your physicality was perfect. We were just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're still gushing, but we were gushing over
Speaker 1: all of this. Oh gosh, my dancers poster lord commercy.
Speaker 1: Somebody said that to me of the night y'all at dinner,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, she slouch. No, No, I've got jurisdiction
Speaker 1: over the slouch. So so hard to unlearn my slouching. Hey,
Speaker 1: what was it? What was it supposed to be? What
Speaker 1: was Rikamar supposed to be? How many episodes they tell you?
Speaker 1: They never told me, they never told me? Said recurring? Okay,
Speaker 1: but um yeah, it just it was just that it
Speaker 1: was recurring, and it was kind of like they said
Speaker 1: that they didn't have anywhere else to go with her.
Speaker 1: How many did you do totally? It says six or seven,
Speaker 1: but I think I did eight. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like yeah. And they cut they cut the
Speaker 1: beach scenes because I guess the mouth and I weren't
Speaker 1: going for They were testing out to see if there
Speaker 1: was a future there. I mean, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we had some chemistry, the two of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did. Yeah, those lips. Okay, hold on, are
Speaker 1: we gonna play like Kiss and Tell right now? Because
Speaker 1: I love that game. We've got a big kiss in
Speaker 1: this episode to talk about two so yeah, let's play
Speaker 1: Kiss and Tell? Yeah, because um, I was like, I've
Speaker 1: never kissed anybody on screen before like that really, whoa? No,
Speaker 1: I'd only just been like whatever, just speaker and like
Speaker 1: dancer and like kiss people in the cheek and it all.
Speaker 1: And then it was just like whoa. And then we
Speaker 1: kiss on mouth. I'm like in its cloth, of course
Speaker 1: it's mouth. And these are the biggest lips I think
Speaker 1: I've ever kissed in my life, Like yeah, fantastic, yummy
Speaker 1: you you could just fall into those pillow lips and
Speaker 1: get all the girls fell in love with mouth. They
Speaker 1: now we know the reason. And I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: other thing. Um, they got me confused with another girl.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there was another girl on the show that was blind. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have like that baby face or whatever, and um yeah,
Speaker 1: so they got no, no, no, that's not me. Melt
Speaker 1: had to type is that what we're saying here? I guess.
Speaker 1: So they're like that, that's so funny. So wait, what
Speaker 1: was what was the process? Like? Because I know, you
Speaker 1: know you said that they let you know it was
Speaker 1: a recurring role. But where were you where were you living?
Speaker 1: How did you get the audition? Like like how did
Speaker 1: it all start? So I just on Gilmer Girls, and
Speaker 1: I had a recurring on there and then I got
Speaker 1: an audition for One Tree Hill and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is great. I mean, this is the one I wanted
Speaker 1: to be on. And then they auditioned me and I
Speaker 1: kept on getting callbacks, and the last callback they didn't
Speaker 1: give me any direction. I just did it and then
Speaker 1: I just left. I'm like, well, I didn't get that,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden I got it. They
Speaker 1: wanted me to flyop directly to Wilmington's Um. It was
Speaker 1: probably four days later. I bought a Christmas Tree. I've
Speaker 1: never done one since, and I had to just get
Speaker 1: my best friend to get rid of it. She didn't
Speaker 1: get rid of it until February. Y'all. Now they were
Speaker 1: they were treading like there was like stuff everywhere. I
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, you're a great friend, but whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I got it, and then Gilmer Girls wanted me
Speaker 1: back and I said. My manager was like, well, she's
Speaker 1: booked on One Tree all now, and then they just
Speaker 1: kept on write and more and more for me, right,
Speaker 1: And then that's how it happened. And so I didn't
Speaker 1: do Gilmer Balls anymore. And once r He'll just kept
Speaker 1: on Happening. Then after that season, I didn't come back.
Speaker 1: By the way, your character is so good and so dynamic,
Speaker 1: and you you know, there's always these stereotypes about high
Speaker 1: school kids, right, and you take that overachiever and you
Speaker 1: make her approachable and you make her interesting, and that's
Speaker 1: hard to do. You know. It's like Ione Sky plays
Speaker 1: that character and say anything. You know where it's just
Speaker 1: like you love school. You're such a nerd. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how that's your ticket out. Man. There's a reason
Speaker 1: kids commit to school. Were you into school when you
Speaker 1: were growing up? Well, there's a funny story about that.
Speaker 1: So Um I was the yes you were was the
Speaker 1: day sir, the cheerleader, musical theater kid. I was everything
Speaker 1: And unfortunately I didn't really get to do acting and
Speaker 1: all that and fixed for Mississippi because we didn't have
Speaker 1: that opportunity. I did everything else and I'll never forget um.
Speaker 1: I went out for vice presidents and this is kind
Speaker 1: of why I resonated um Sofia, because I I pulled
Speaker 1: from that when we do the scenes, because I went
Speaker 1: out for vice president of the student body, y'all, and
Speaker 1: I was captured the Chilean squad in or was going
Speaker 1: to be for senior year, and no one wanted. They
Speaker 1: knew I was a very busy person with dancing in
Speaker 1: ballet and everything and all that. No one really wanted
Speaker 1: me to be the vice president went I mean, I
Speaker 1: had everybody voting for me, I was campaigning, I had
Speaker 1: it all. I had like seventh graders going out and
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. And I'm going to be very
Speaker 1: us right now. Some other chick got it your garden.
Speaker 1: Me and um I sat in the counselor's office for
Speaker 1: probably three hours crying, stop. Do you want us to
Speaker 1: fight her? We'll fight her, all right. She probably know
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say her name, but yes I was.
Speaker 1: I was so but heard about it. But in the interim,
Speaker 1: I probably never should have been vice president because I
Speaker 1: was too with all my extra stuff. You know, I
Speaker 1: just want a sidebar. You went to the counselor's office,
Speaker 1: which is so awesome. I never went to our guidance counselor.
Speaker 1: I was always like, I don't know, I was afraid
Speaker 1: or I guess I just thought, whatever they pay you
Speaker 1: to just like trying to we don't need anybody. But
Speaker 1: it's so great, Like I love as an adult now
Speaker 1: knowing that kids did actually go to the guidance counselor.
Speaker 1: That's cool, Joy, Joy. I was one of fifty two
Speaker 1: in my class. Are you serious? Yeah? Of course in
Speaker 1: the series fifty two people in my graduating class, I
Speaker 1: was one of fifty five. Okay, see I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one. Yeah, I mean I was one of four hundred.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many, but it was small. Well, um,
Speaker 1: was that a private school? Yeah? Catholic? Y, Yes, girls
Speaker 1: school like Sophia went to. I was boys and girls.
Speaker 1: And you better believe Katherine was kissing boys at that school.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you weren't. Hillary. I got married that Joe.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you got married two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You are a literal newly wed. All right, we've got
Speaker 1: some good love love stuff in this episode. So I
Speaker 1: hit us with the wedding stuff. Tell us, tell us
Speaker 1: the story, please. Okay. Well, my fiance at the time
Speaker 1: was like, we didn't know where we wanted. We moved
Speaker 1: to Nashville because we just we needed to change and
Speaker 1: it was just better forever. Where were you living from?
Speaker 1: Where When did you guys make that move? Gay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so we get here and you know, it takes
Speaker 1: a lot to move. It's very stressful. So here and
Speaker 1: it takes a couple of months. And then my daddy's birthday,
Speaker 1: by daddy's seventieth birthday, my daddy, my daddy's birthday, and
Speaker 1: we celebrated me on when we were driving back from Oxford, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: and Michael goes, Katherine, what about Oxford? And I got shields.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, yes, let's do it there. So
Speaker 1: we started making plans. Y'all. We planned a freaking fairytale
Speaker 1: wedding within two months. Shut up, Oh yes, we yes,
Speaker 1: we did. I'd tell you. We were like oldies all
Speaker 1: day every day. I love it. How long have you
Speaker 1: guys been to day? My daddy did the alligator, which
Speaker 1: I want to post on Wait stop, well you what
Speaker 1: do you mean your dad did the alligator? You cooked
Speaker 1: an alligator? Yeah, you know the alligator? Right now? Is
Speaker 1: it a dance? It's a dance move, y'all. It is
Speaker 1: the craziest dance move. I don't even know what I
Speaker 1: thought you were talking about food. I thought you legitimately
Speaker 1: like put an alligator on a spit and cooked it.
Speaker 1: He starts like doing these pitch ups, I think, and
Speaker 1: he starts moving his body and he's seventy and by
Speaker 1: the way, he's got black hair, which never he's never
Speaker 1: died it, I swear to God, like everyone thinks he
Speaker 1: dies it, but he doesn't. And he starts getting down
Speaker 1: on the ground. One. That's my dad. That's oh my god.
Speaker 1: I love that you had the old fashioned, big family wedding.
Speaker 1: Is that what you always envisioned? Yeah, mm hmm, idea, idea. Well,
Speaker 1: we were going to try to make it like a
Speaker 1: hundred and like twenty, but I have a hundred relatives.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Um, So we decided that we would
Speaker 1: invite a couple more people, and then my mom invited
Speaker 1: her people and it was probably to fifty. What fun
Speaker 1: you very much, our school president. If you can throw
Speaker 1: a wedding with two hundred and fifty people in two months,
Speaker 1: I mean, that is a tactical operation that you just
Speaker 1: went through. I'm into it, Katherine. How long have you
Speaker 1: guys been together? So this is how we met short version.
Speaker 1: So we literally were at the Hollywood Bowl in September
Speaker 1: two and I looked at my friend. I said, I
Speaker 1: need to find a man at night or somebody tonight. Right,
Speaker 1: and I just broke it up with somebody else and
Speaker 1: I will kid you know, right, he was standing behind me,
Speaker 1: you know the hollow bowl, there's the walkways. We were
Speaker 1: really pretty high up and are you seeing where was
Speaker 1: I sitting? Who are you seeing? Who's playing Dave Matthew?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god? It's perfect? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are the same age. I'm saying. I love this, Catherine,
Speaker 1: I love this loving rock and roll. This is this
Speaker 1: is great. Um. Let me ask you one question of
Speaker 1: all the boys on the show, right, like, which boy
Speaker 1: speaks to you? Is it Nathan? Is it Lucas? Is
Speaker 1: it Jake? Is it Mouth? Like? What's your type? Lord Mercy? Um?
Speaker 1: Probably Nathan Um, you know the you know, the bad
Speaker 1: boy kind of like, you know, just a little bit
Speaker 1: um and again. But Thenyian, I had so many scenes
Speaker 1: with mal and he's the sftie and I have a
Speaker 1: thing for that. So like he really did work out
Speaker 1: that we were together, you know, on the show, and
Speaker 1: he was I mean it does help that. You know,
Speaker 1: Lee is just like the most amazing person. He's the
Speaker 1: best and so easy to work with and so just
Speaker 1: like it's such great ideas and make space for you
Speaker 1: as an actor. I mean I just loved him. I
Speaker 1: know you hit the jackpots this. Um, did you watch this?
Speaker 1: I want to know, wait, wait before we go to
Speaker 1: the episode questions. I want to know, since we've just
Speaker 1: watched and we're really in the flashback of our of
Speaker 1: our twenties, who is your Yankee most like? Out of
Speaker 1: all the boys on our show? Yeah, who's your husband? Like?
Speaker 1: Is he a Nathan or a mouth? Who is he?
Speaker 1: He's not a mouth. He might be a Nathan or
Speaker 1: Chad Michael. He's a hybrid. He's a Scott Brother hybrid.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the best option, it really is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's tough. He's tough. These sweet's got a
Speaker 1: soft hearts always fine that that's so you? Yeah yeo.
Speaker 1: I mean he's probably listen to me right now. Tell
Speaker 1: him to come hang out with us. We've got we've
Speaker 1: got some ladies that are very curious. Our curiosity is
Speaker 1: peaked right O. God, he might get a little job
Speaker 1: like all the all beautiful girls. We're flirty. So watch out,
Speaker 1: all right, Um, we're going to take a break right now,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna watch the We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the episode. Uh, Katherine, did you watch the episode? Oh heck,
Speaker 1: yeah I did. Okay, Yeah, I was in tears. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's so crazy. It was
Speaker 1: so long ago, and wow, yeah, it was super cool
Speaker 1: to watch it. I watched the whole dang bank good.
Speaker 1: But we just did too. We watched the whole dang thing,
Speaker 1: and we hope you at home watched the whole dang
Speaker 1: thing too, so we can all come back and talk
Speaker 1: about it. We'll be right back. We're back with our sweetheart,
Speaker 1: Katherine Bayleiss. Katherine, you're so good at being still, you know,
Speaker 1: like it takes a lot for an actor to be
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to be still and just deliver their lines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems actually really hard to find. Yeah, especially when
Speaker 1: we're playing teenagers and we're all goofy and wiggily and stuff.
Speaker 1: Of what were you basing it on? What were your
Speaker 1: inspirations for this role? So I think I've had to
Speaker 1: internalize it when again, like when I was going out
Speaker 1: like for vice president of my student body and everything,
Speaker 1: and I kind of internalized that, and also I knew
Speaker 1: that I couldn't be big because she wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: be big. She didn't know how to be big. She
Speaker 1: was just this really introvert, had no friends. Her only
Speaker 1: friend was like her presidency. Yeah, maybe one other friend,
Speaker 1: and you just cannot um. I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: kind of came naturally, and I'll never forget Bevin said
Speaker 1: something to me. Really yes, because Bevin had a bunch
Speaker 1: of lines this episode. Yeah, Bevin looked over to me.
Speaker 1: And that wasn't a very long it was with you,
Speaker 1: but I mean, Sophia, it wasn't a very long scene.
Speaker 1: It was when when I lost and I was started
Speaker 1: to internalize that and started to crop, and she was like,
Speaker 1: how did you do that? And I went, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like it just happened. And then
Speaker 1: that's what that you have to just visualize, you in
Speaker 1: that moment in high school where you're going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just lost to a girl that never even knew
Speaker 1: about being president and I've been doing this my entire life.
Speaker 1: This is all I had. And yeah, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of like how I got there. I think, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I learned that probably through Liam Esper, through acting classes.
Speaker 1: It was like not, but I'm kind of a big
Speaker 1: person and I am very animated so sometimes I am animated,
Speaker 1: but that role I kind of was just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's stoked, is what you would say, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it needed that because Brooke has so much energy and
Speaker 1: bounce and she's bubbling and busy, and yeah, it really
Speaker 1: needed that opposite energy. I think my favorite scene between
Speaker 1: me or Eric and Brooke was the very first scene
Speaker 1: when I turned around my hair flipped. Yes, Oh I
Speaker 1: love that scene too, because you were actually so sincere
Speaker 1: and so like genuinely wanting to help her until the
Speaker 1: moment that you realize that she said. The moment she
Speaker 1: says I'm running for president. I've been Presidence is like
Speaker 1: seventh grade. Yeah. It was so great. It had that speed,
Speaker 1: It had that clip of like the old Spencer Tracy
Speaker 1: Katherine Hepburn movies, you know, in that clip. Is hard
Speaker 1: to do sometimes with guest stars because sometimes directors just
Speaker 1: so you guys at home now, when they come on
Speaker 1: to set, they know, like, oh, the regular kids kind
Speaker 1: of have it made up in their mind how they're
Speaker 1: going to be I'm gonna overdirect the guest stars and
Speaker 1: really get in their head, you know. And so you
Speaker 1: didn't let anyone get in your head, you know, you
Speaker 1: knew what you wanted to do, and you were toe
Speaker 1: to toe was soap? Who Sophia has chewed up and
Speaker 1: spit out every other actor on our show? What does that? Even? Macca?
Speaker 1: Your singers, you're one liners are Brooke? Brooke had good
Speaker 1: one liners. It's true. Yeah, I love a good one man.
Speaker 1: But also to come on the show at a time
Speaker 1: when it was I really had a height, the height
Speaker 1: of its popularity. Um, you know, it was right in
Speaker 1: that zone when everybody was talking about One Tree Hill
Speaker 1: and it was very much in the cultural zeitgeist. And
Speaker 1: for you to come in and not be intimidated and
Speaker 1: not you really brought your own thing. You didn't worry
Speaker 1: about stepping on toes. You were like here to take
Speaker 1: up your own space, which is as an actor, that's
Speaker 1: what you want. You want to be around on the
Speaker 1: people that you can trust. Yeah, it's so cool, and
Speaker 1: you know what to to even that point you made Hillary,
Speaker 1: because yeah, damn Brooke had withering loeliners and the thing
Speaker 1: that Brooke would throw at a character like this. Erica
Speaker 1: was unintimidated and and really threw down at Brooke in
Speaker 1: ways she wasn't accustomed to having anyone challenge her, and
Speaker 1: you know, you don't expect that from the perfect president
Speaker 1: who's so academic that she doesn't have any friends. And
Speaker 1: yet here was Erica marsh like in the ring, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what made that moment between them in
Speaker 1: the office feels so tender and like it could be
Speaker 1: something like they might be friends. It was very cool.
Speaker 1: Then it happens, Well, we have so much in this episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, should we just go back. Let's talk about Eric,
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Catherine's crush. Let's talk about Nathan um
Speaker 1: because Nathan, we start to see hints of old Nathan
Speaker 1: starting to see bad boy. Let's talk about that trajectory.
Speaker 1: I was really I loved seeing James without any gel
Speaker 1: in his hair, was totally baby faced in his his hair,
Speaker 1: with his hair down. And you know, as we've talked
Speaker 1: about before, James was the youngest on the show, and
Speaker 1: he took his job so seriously. He had an acting
Speaker 1: coach that would come in and work with him, and
Speaker 1: I remember how much he cared about getting this stuff right.
Speaker 1: So I know that he was working really hard at
Speaker 1: this and it really paid off. I just loved seeing
Speaker 1: this switch of vulnerability and angst in trouble and Nathan
Speaker 1: um and I love seeing the hints of old Nathan
Speaker 1: coming back. And he punched Dan what and then punched
Speaker 1: Dan beer in class? Beer in class? Which is worth
Speaker 1: the beer in class? Are punching your dad? I mean,
Speaker 1: doesn't everybody want to punch Dan? I think so, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was more shocked that he was
Speaker 1: ripping beers in class and then the gall to be like,
Speaker 1: don't worry, I brought enough for everybody, and he started
Speaker 1: passing them out in front of the teacher. Okay, So, Katherine,
Speaker 1: when you watched the episode and you saw the teacher
Speaker 1: in the little baby skirt, did you have a reaction
Speaker 1: to the und your head what I call? I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: I could be playing her now because Sophia and I
Speaker 1: walked right into the trap because they pull out and
Speaker 1: they do the wide shot of the teacher and we're like,
Speaker 1: what's with the skirt? And then Nathan makes the comment
Speaker 1: like and tries to slut shame the teacher, and we realized, like, man,
Speaker 1: we loved right into that, damn it. We talked about
Speaker 1: true religions, jeans that you wore the religion jeanes, those
Speaker 1: are so good. Yeah. They Yeah, those the fashion crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean that time was two four. Yeah, well we
Speaker 1: shot it in two thousand four, so it aired in
Speaker 1: two thousand, right at the beginning of two thousand five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of love handle on my part.
Speaker 1: With those low rise jeans. It was just like, what's
Speaker 1: gonna spill out over this? You know? What I loved
Speaker 1: was Brooks brooch. Do you remember? That was the time
Speaker 1: when it brooches were really in. It was in all
Speaker 1: the magazines put on and you were the crop sweater
Speaker 1: with the skin tight tank tops. You could see it
Speaker 1: was just made your boobs bigger and your waist really
Speaker 1: t not you but the people who were it, but
Speaker 1: also you, And it was really cute. I love that look.
Speaker 1: I I will say I loved that whole outfit. Those
Speaker 1: plaid pants, you know, I love a plaid pant. And
Speaker 1: I was laughing at that crop sweater. But that's such
Speaker 1: an iconic moment that when in the hallway, and I've
Speaker 1: seen that photo so many times, but watching the episode,
Speaker 1: I was like, God, I used to have so many abs,
Speaker 1: Like you guys, My abs were sick and they went
Speaker 1: all the way down and I was watching me just
Speaker 1: walk out of the hallway to to hear the announcement
Speaker 1: by myself, and I was like, I know, I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to really be invested in Brook's emotional journey, but god,
Speaker 1: I miss that abdominal situation. Oh my god. No, but
Speaker 1: it was it was nice. I didn't know how nice
Speaker 1: it was at the time. I probably would have worned
Speaker 1: just more crrupt things. But it's I like that outfit.
Speaker 1: You had good outfits of this episode. I liked also
Speaker 1: when you were wearing at the beginning of the episode
Speaker 1: when we come to school. I don't like what I'm wearing.
Speaker 1: I don't like my hair. Blue don't No, you don't
Speaker 1: like your hair and the ding dong you guys, this
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. However, Hillary, the conversations, you're just wild curly hair,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't curly hair, it was it all burned off,
Speaker 1: and I hated that. That's how I looked when Jake
Speaker 1: Jabowski came back, like, I remember being so self conscious, like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I just really would like it if it
Speaker 1: were different right now. Um. But the conversation that we
Speaker 1: had in the parking lot about the similarities between Chris
Speaker 1: Keller and Nathan. That's interesting, digress. I loved that. I
Speaker 1: also loved I'm just saying the same person. Well, before
Speaker 1: we get into the boys, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: say I loved our walking talks of them. Are walking
Speaker 1: talks were so good walking through the parking lot, walk
Speaker 1: through the hallway, and they were at a clip that
Speaker 1: felt really real and the energy was so high. But God,
Speaker 1: when we were in the parking lot and Brooks talking
Speaker 1: about how Haley changed Nathan and well when she first
Speaker 1: met him, he was arrogant and self centered and really talented,
Speaker 1: and you know they're the same. Yeah, that hit hard,
Speaker 1: Joy was it was it weird for you to watch
Speaker 1: Hillary and I having that conversation while Haley was away
Speaker 1: on tour with Chris Ri. Oh my god, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's true that what they were saying about me is true. Gosh,
Speaker 1: it was weird because I didn't know I was in
Speaker 1: this episode. I thought I wasn't. But I guess that's
Speaker 1: how they I guess they filmed a bunch of my
Speaker 1: stuff all in when last week we were talking about
Speaker 1: they filmed it all kind of in one chunk, So
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the pieces I guess, um,
Speaker 1: yeah it was, and you weren't wrong. I mean the
Speaker 1: fact that Haley was so attracted to a project and
Speaker 1: you know, somebody to fix, and that's kind of what
Speaker 1: Nathan was. And then she fixed them, so to speak,
Speaker 1: and now there's something else. Okay. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that's totally what's going on with Haley. I think that
Speaker 1: that's a part of it, like a subconscious part of
Speaker 1: her attraction to Chris, that she's denying and pushing away
Speaker 1: and trying to do the right thing. I love a project.
Speaker 1: So many women do to Catherine projects. Oh hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love a project. Project. Yeah, I will say though. Ah,
Speaker 1: there was a point where my dad sat me down
Speaker 1: and was like, you already rescue dogs, stop dating sick puppies.
Speaker 1: And I was like Dad, I was like, oh Dad,
Speaker 1: it cuts deep. Also, you're you're very right. You're very right.
Speaker 1: It's not my responsibility to save human beings. This is
Speaker 1: really awkward and terrible and horrible, and I have to go. Now.
Speaker 1: You've always been like that, Sophia. I mean, you were
Speaker 1: like in your early early early twenties, like you always
Speaker 1: rescued doll. I remember going on and I'm going how
Speaker 1: many dands? I mean, which she got the parvo puppies?
Speaker 1: Were you there? I'm puppies? I wish I was so sweet,
Speaker 1: But yeah, that I learned my lesson. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: taking home a dog in her nine puppies was a
Speaker 1: real big mistake. But you know, I've learned that lesson
Speaker 1: about animals and human beings too, And look at us
Speaker 1: just growing up and you know who doesn't need fixing?
Speaker 1: Stay with me now, sew Katherine, did you ever get
Speaker 1: to hang out with Brian Greenberg or were you guys
Speaker 1: ships passing in the night? Oh no, no, no no, we
Speaker 1: hung out a bunch. I was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we um we don't got a good a good amount
Speaker 1: because he was working at the same time I was working,
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people that like ship
Speaker 1: sailing in the you know, but like we were on
Speaker 1: kind of the same schedule, so yeah, I got to
Speaker 1: know them pretty well. And he just had twins. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: him do that I went to because I prised my
Speaker 1: egge twice. Really, you guys went to the same doctor,
Speaker 1: good like, well, not him, no, but he's honestly, he's
Speaker 1: such a good person. You know a lot of guys
Speaker 1: have been revealed to be gross in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. Greenberg doesn't have to worry about that. Greenberg
Speaker 1: has always been above board and he's kind and professional
Speaker 1: and awesome and we got really, really lucky to have him.
Speaker 1: And you know, the girls tease me about the whole
Speaker 1: like Payton Jake Jabelski thing because I turned purple during
Speaker 1: the Jake Jagelski scenes. I'm so embarrassed. So hot, you guys,
Speaker 1: that kiss so good he's and he is such a
Speaker 1: leading man. He is such a leading man. He knows
Speaker 1: how to use the camera, how to use the space
Speaker 1: in between you guys. He's in such control of his
Speaker 1: instrument as an artist. It was really really said it.
Speaker 1: I locked eyes and we were like, what are you
Speaker 1: saying right now? You know what I mean? Joys like
Speaker 1: his dancers posture, Oh my god, Oh my god. Now,
Speaker 1: Also the delayed gratification of that kiss. We've been waiting
Speaker 1: for that kiss for so long. Yes, that's you know what,
Speaker 1: That's what we wanted. Remember with with Peyton and Lucas
Speaker 1: and how it happened so fast and we were all
Speaker 1: like and it was creepy. It was creepy. This is
Speaker 1: what we waited for. It so what we wanted in
Speaker 1: the fact that you so long to lean it. It's
Speaker 1: so tender, like biting your limp a little. Oh god,
Speaker 1: I'm so good. I loved it. I really liked that.
Speaker 1: The night before they kissed, Peyton left the room and
Speaker 1: was like, this is too much, and he didn't chase
Speaker 1: her into the room that you know, the other bedroom
Speaker 1: is needy. There was no there was like like no
Speaker 1: game playing. He just took that night to formulate his
Speaker 1: thoughts so that the next night he was like, I
Speaker 1: lied to you about while I was coming here. I
Speaker 1: I want to be with you, and you know, like
Speaker 1: I dorked out. I mean, I'm like trying so hard
Speaker 1: to be cool, I say me, I'm like talking about
Speaker 1: Peyton forced. Peyton is like tried so hard to be cool. Um,
Speaker 1: but working with someone like Brian who he switches from
Speaker 1: being Brian your buddy behind camera to like Jake Chakilski
Speaker 1: this like kind of soulful dude. You know, like there's
Speaker 1: a there's a shift in the energy where it's really
Speaker 1: easy to have a huge freaking crush on Jake Chikowski
Speaker 1: and then go like have drinks at the bar, you know,
Speaker 1: with your buddy Greenberg. And and that's nice that that
Speaker 1: that energy shift can happen in a really easy way. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and I know we've talked about this before, but Brian
Speaker 1: was such a good friend to all of us and
Speaker 1: was always such a safe, like quality guy. And I
Speaker 1: think some of his natural energy is what you see
Speaker 1: coming out of Jake in these really tender scenes, because
Speaker 1: he is a soulful, present, considerate human and to watch
Speaker 1: these two teenagers be withholding out of a little bit
Speaker 1: of fear and a little bit of discomfort. Peyton leaves
Speaker 1: the room and says like, this is a lot for
Speaker 1: my emotions. I don't know what's happening here. I gotta
Speaker 1: protect myself and and he sits with it and realizes, well,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping something from her, and maybe that's why she's
Speaker 1: keeping something from me. It's so patient and kind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love them, I love them, I love them and
Speaker 1: other hot boy energy mouth getting up to give the speech.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is when Erica marsh falls in
Speaker 1: love with him? Yes, mm hmm. There's a moment that
Speaker 1: they caught and I haven't seen this in a long time,
Speaker 1: and I will she that's when Eric was like, I
Speaker 1: won't get those lips. I'm gonna get those lips. Where'd
Speaker 1: you guys kiss for the first time? Do remember? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was in front of my house, Eric, or Erica's house,
Speaker 1: and I did the whole you know, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're you're acting and you don't even know what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and you bite you a little, and I like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how awkward it was, but I did it.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know I did it when it happened,
Speaker 1: and I saw it on feeling for the first time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that what works because I'm awkward and
Speaker 1: whatever I'm in high school or which I was in
Speaker 1: high school. Um. Yeah, and yeah, that was the first
Speaker 1: time we kissed. And it was so cute, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah. I love that mouth came came up
Speaker 1: to Brooks Rescue. I love seeing them come back together.
Speaker 1: After the last time that we saw him confess to
Speaker 1: her that he threw the brick through her windshield and
Speaker 1: it's just too hard for him to be friends with
Speaker 1: her anymore. We needed that friendship back, We needed them
Speaker 1: to come back together. Yeah. And sometimes when you when
Speaker 1: you're you know you're smarting because you don't quite know
Speaker 1: what to say after a fight. Yeah. The the swooping
Speaker 1: in and standing up for someone and essentially proclaiming to
Speaker 1: other people why you love them, you know, it's that
Speaker 1: was that was like a love letter in action, and
Speaker 1: it reminded them both how much they cared about each
Speaker 1: other's friendships. And it was just so sweet, you know,
Speaker 1: for Brooke to be seen for who she is, not
Speaker 1: not her popularity or what people assume about her, and
Speaker 1: and for Mouth to be, you know, the hero in
Speaker 1: front of the whole school. I just loved it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. A lot of knights in shining armor in
Speaker 1: this episode. You know, we've got saving the Day, We've
Speaker 1: got Jake Jakalski just being a smoke show. Andy. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say with the iconic line, I do
Speaker 1: tend to get what I get what I wanted. He's
Speaker 1: coming for Dan and you called it so if you
Speaker 1: said Dan, look at Paul make the choice to have
Speaker 1: Dany rattled at the end of that scene. It was
Speaker 1: so smart. Little we needed it. We needed to know
Speaker 1: that Dan is capable of being rattled by someone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was just a flash on Paul's face. But
Speaker 1: it was such a good choice as an actor to
Speaker 1: play the bravado and then to go oh oh, like
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? And then you see Andy outside
Speaker 1: like he's got a steak out, like in his suburban
Speaker 1: calling some guy on his cell phone, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is he gonna do? I can't for next week? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I can't wait. Catherine, was was
Speaker 1: Karen part of your hangouts? Too? Did you guys hang? Okay?
Speaker 1: So Kieren and I did a movie before I got No, Yes,
Speaker 1: we did. It was called See It Fear. What was
Speaker 1: it about besides fear on the open waters? It was
Speaker 1: in the sea and we were on a boat and
Speaker 1: one thing nobody knows, but they didn't allow fake blood
Speaker 1: on that boat because it was a very nice yacht.
Speaker 1: So we had to kitchup, you're gonna say, so we
Speaker 1: had to bleed Kieren and our boyfriend and girlfriend on
Speaker 1: that movie. So when I got once you re heal,
Speaker 1: I got there and Kieren already had a recurring role,
Speaker 1: so I knew joy and I grew Kieren and so
Speaker 1: like I had some friends, thank God, because I was
Speaker 1: there for so long and I was like, I need
Speaker 1: to make friends do it. Oh my god, I love
Speaker 1: it so much. The last piece, we definitely need to
Speaker 1: address those and Karen because we haven't really touched on
Speaker 1: that up. That scene was so beautiful and to watch,
Speaker 1: I will say one thing I loved was watching her
Speaker 1: get ultimately vulnerable with Nathan, this mother who's lost his son,
Speaker 1: and this this boy who's you know, lost his family
Speaker 1: and his wife. It it interestingly made Andy getting protective
Speaker 1: over her even more exciting to me because he's taking
Speaker 1: action because he's seeing what it's doing to her. But
Speaker 1: we as the viewers, get to see her confide in
Speaker 1: someone else and you, and and it gives you the
Speaker 1: feeling like all these people's emotions are just spilling out everywhere.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great choice. I agree. I
Speaker 1: loved seeing James let himself be that vulnerable he hasn't
Speaker 1: done that on the show yet, and his voice cracking
Speaker 1: like that. God, it broke my heart for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. And watching Karen be the support system that
Speaker 1: he never had and the weird switching roles that the
Speaker 1: boy are doing in Lucas living with Dan talking about books,
Speaker 1: being like Buddy buddy so awful. And the fact that Karen,
Speaker 1: in her moment of need, in her hour of need,
Speaker 1: missing her son, having Nathan ironically be the one that
Speaker 1: comes to her and trusts her. It's such a beautiful storytelling.
Speaker 1: And you know we talked about healing. What an interesting
Speaker 1: healing thing I imagine for the subconscious to have Dan
Speaker 1: Scott's son apologize I'm sorry my dad was such a
Speaker 1: dick to you. Yeah, miss Row, I'm sorry. That must
Speaker 1: have really hurt you. Oh that makes me want to cry.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. Well, we know why Nathan is so upset.
Speaker 1: It's because Haley is a smoke shows by her sweet
Speaker 1: the Records makeover with the smoky eye and like the
Speaker 1: sexy Halter top in this episode, it was such a
Speaker 1: delight to see your rock and roll girl makeover. It
Speaker 1: was for me too. I was like, Oh, I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really, I think this is so interesting to watch
Speaker 1: Haley now that I'm kind of watching as a third party. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I've seen Haley's trajectory, watching her go and do
Speaker 1: this thing that's like it's like partially for herself, but
Speaker 1: it's not totally without selfish motives. In a negative way, like,
Speaker 1: there's some things that are good that you need to
Speaker 1: do for yourself and your own dreams and all that,
Speaker 1: but there's there's something about it that is the secrecy,
Speaker 1: the hiddenness, that tucking something away, that the independence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like longing for independence, but she's doing it
Speaker 1: the wrong way. She's doing it in a sly secretive
Speaker 1: way instead of trusting Nathan. I like se flaw, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like I like that Haley was a kid doing
Speaker 1: this rather than an adult going, let's sit down and
Speaker 1: have a mature convert station. Tell me what you're really feeling,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what I'm really feeling. And then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do this thing and I'll call you
Speaker 1: and your FaceTime every day and check in. Which is
Speaker 1: who she's always been. Yeah, and by the way, it's
Speaker 1: who we should all be in our real relationships. But
Speaker 1: it's less interesting to watch on TV watching Haley have
Speaker 1: a secret and and rebel and be bad and refuse
Speaker 1: to call home and and everyone's tortured and she doesn't care.
Speaker 1: You're like, what is going? Oh my god? And it
Speaker 1: makes it exciting because I want to know why she's
Speaker 1: suddenly behaving like this like, why is our friend going
Speaker 1: off the deep end? She's a bad girl. Guys, She's
Speaker 1: a bad It makes me wonder what Haley is most
Speaker 1: likely too is now. It's like she's she used to
Speaker 1: be most likely to, you know, be the friend you
Speaker 1: could rely on, and now I'm like, I don't know, Catherine. Um,
Speaker 1: we do a bit on this show called most Likely
Speaker 1: To where we spin a wheel and we have to
Speaker 1: declare a character and also a real life actor from
Speaker 1: our show. Um, as that most likely to, We're gonna
Speaker 1: spend the wheel right now, you're gonna help us figure
Speaker 1: this out? Okay, then okay fine, most likely to leave
Speaker 1: acting and take up golfing, Sofia, no, shut up. In
Speaker 1: real life, Baby Jenny is now at college on a
Speaker 1: golfing scholarship. She's like, you g a, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Mace Holcomb, who played Baby Jenny Jake's baby, is like
Speaker 1: it makes me feel a thousand years old that she
Speaker 1: is in college, especially as like we're seeing all these
Speaker 1: scenes of us like college yes, yes, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no no, yeah, sure is and she's going to
Speaker 1: be on TV soon. Her mom like, I'm from Facebook
Speaker 1: friends with her mom, and her mom posts she's going
Speaker 1: to be on tv um because she's like in the
Speaker 1: p g A circuit she's doing ordinarily well it's insane,
Speaker 1: so um, I guess, I guess, baby Jenny. What's her name? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: Grace in real life? Okay, which character do we think
Speaker 1: off believe what their profession is to just just retire
Speaker 1: and be a golf h m hmm. I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like Skills would do that if he, if
Speaker 1: he can. Our go to answers are always mouth and
Speaker 1: skills and favorite characters. I don't know it's so true
Speaker 1: character wise. Maybe Andy, Oh yeah, he doesn't need a job.
Speaker 1: He's rich. He does. That's right, that feels fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good answer. Golf really reads as like a
Speaker 1: very wealthy man's Yeah. Yeah. Dennis always played golf, except
Speaker 1: for Michael, dentist from North Carolina who had a boat.
Speaker 1: Loved him. Oh yeah, the hot dentist. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that a different hot days. By the way, nothing better
Speaker 1: than like having a hot dentist but who also has
Speaker 1: a cool wife and cute kids and they just like
Speaker 1: take you out on their boat. I was like, can
Speaker 1: you guys adopt me? Like? What is this life? You lead.
Speaker 1: I love it. Here was a dream. God, it was lovely. Catherine.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming and being on our show.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you were here. Hey, tell your cute husband.
Speaker 1: We said, Hi, he's watching some show. See. The thing
Speaker 1: is we want has he seen you in this show?
Speaker 1: Going to see me? Has he seen you in oh? Um?
Speaker 1: You know what? I think he might some scenes you
Speaker 1: might need to But I was watching this episode in
Speaker 1: the d N earlier and I was like, baby, come
Speaker 1: see baby Katherine. Yeah, yeah, check a load of this. Hey,
Speaker 1: look at look, look at a little bitch Katherine. Um,
Speaker 1: which hadn't really changed that much anyway. Next episode, Season two,
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