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Speaker 1: You were listening to Ruthie's Table four. In partnership with Montclair.

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Speaker 2: Over this season, forty guests have joined me here at

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Speaker 2: the River Cafe, and today we're looking back at some

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Speaker 2: of those conversations.

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Speaker 1: Richard E.

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Speaker 2: Grant, Francis Ford Coppola, Kate Blanchett, Tony Blair, Bono, Sienna Miller,

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Speaker 2: and erle In CagA. When I think of Richardy Grant,

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Speaker 2: of course I think of his brilliant films and him

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Speaker 2: as a great actor. But what I really think of

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Speaker 2: is Richard and his wife Joan in the early days

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Speaker 2: of the River Cafe. They were married a year before

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Speaker 2: the restaurant opened and lived right across the river. Coming

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Speaker 2: in for lunch, are we sitting at the same table.

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Speaker 2: They were warm and lovely and absorbed in each other journeys.

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Speaker 3: To make your chocolate nemesis every single cres party we had,

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Speaker 3: and she'd make two of them. And I think the

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Speaker 3: combination of that is must be thirty six eggs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let's compare a recipe to a script. So when you're

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Speaker 2: comproising your lines, tell me about the difference between a

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Speaker 2: kind of script and.

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Speaker 3: The exactly same way you have the recipe in front

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Speaker 3: of you, but then something inspires you to add something,

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Speaker 3: or though you're you go of in a tangent, do

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Speaker 3: you ask if the director or the writer are open

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Speaker 3: to an adjunct to something or an addition or an

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Speaker 3: improvisation around sections. So it means that it evolves, is

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Speaker 3: not unless it's Shakespeare. You can't improve on a genius. Really,

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. And because of the rhythm and

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Speaker 3: the meter of it, you would be doing a disservice.

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Speaker 3: I think if you tried to extemporize on it.

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Speaker 5: What does in encore like at the end of the performance.

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Speaker 3: I've only done one musical, My Fair Lady, And because

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Speaker 3: musical there's music for people to reperform, you can do

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Speaker 3: a sort of final verse of something. But in the

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Speaker 3: theater you can't. All you can do is bout. You

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Speaker 3: can't say, oh, well I'll do I'll do to be

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Speaker 3: or not to be again. Yeah, that's an amazing That's

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Speaker 2: Really love is sometimes when the end of a musical,

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Speaker 2: then it's all over, and then they come like guys

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Speaker 2: and dolls will come out and do you know lucky

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Speaker 2: a lady or when you see a guy or you

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Speaker 2: my fair lady, you could come out.

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Speaker 5: You obviously played Henry Higgins.

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Speaker 1: Higgins, what a great part, absolutely amazing role.

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite song from My Fair Lady? I think

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it's the same as mine?

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Speaker 1: Go on, what is yours?

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Speaker 5: I've grown accustomed to her face?

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Speaker 2: Is there a better song? Thrown a custom? I've gone accustomed.

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Speaker 3: To the She whistles nice and new smiles her friends,

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Speaker 5: Dad's second to me.

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Speaker 1: Now it's to you. That should be the ending of

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Speaker 2: Oh I I we shard sang it for my seventeenth

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Speaker 5: I said, that's all I'm want you to do is

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Speaker 2: I do think it's a beautiful because this is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Was that the last theater that you did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the last time I did theater and I

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Speaker 3: did it in Chicago ten years ago, and then I

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Speaker 2: I should bring it to London. I would love to

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Speaker 2: see it again. You can't do it now because of misogyny.

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Speaker 2: Because of the misogyny, Yeah, tell me about that.

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Speaker 3: Melissa McCarthy's daughters came to see it in Chicago, and

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Speaker 3: they were ten and thirteen, and they were appalled by

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Speaker 5: When you were performing it, did you feel a sense?

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Speaker 3: Well, my steer on it was that Higgins is on spectrum,

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Speaker 3: Eliza gets all the words phonetically correct. Yes, he embraces

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Speaker 5: And I think it's the first musical I ever saw.

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Speaker 2: I was saying the other day that my dad used

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Speaker 3: So really, this is really generational that we share on

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Speaker 3: this because in the sixties, every musical that came out,

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Speaker 3: my parents had the LP of it and played it incessantly,

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Speaker 2: But the other thing about the musicals, without being naming

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Speaker 5: Two and so much anymore. They're they're not as.

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Speaker 2: Kind of hummable, are they that you come out you

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Speaker 2: can remember on the street.

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Speaker 1: Where you live. The Wicked would argue.

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Speaker 2: With us, probably, yeah, but I find it, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: find it slightly challenging, but it isn't. I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: My Fair Lady ever, probably even since I was a

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Speaker 2: kid a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: So on Broadway, Yeah, do you remember.

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Speaker 4: Who was in it?

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Speaker 2: I think it was Julie Andrews and Rex Harrison. I

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Speaker 2: first musical. And then I saw I saw West Side Story,

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Speaker 2: I saw My Fair Lady. I saw I really one that,

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Speaker 2: and he used to come in here, stop the world,

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Speaker 2: I want to get off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Leslie and Evie came here all the time,

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Speaker 2: and I used to come up to it. I remember

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Speaker 2: the first time I met him, he was with Michael

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Speaker 2: Gabe and I said, I bet I'm the only person

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Speaker 2: in this room that knows, you know, say my mishki

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Speaker 5: He would sing it.

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Speaker 2: With me because he could have any chance to see.

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Speaker 2: But those, yeah, they kind of grow up with those,

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Speaker 3: The first one was the Sound of Music, and then

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Speaker 3: Mary Poppins. But I'd heard My Fair Lady before I

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Speaker 3: saw those, before I saw the movie. My parents had

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Speaker 3: all the Rogers in Hammerstein, Carousel, King, and I had

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Speaker 2: Since Francis Ford Coppola agreed to do a podcast with me.

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Speaker 2: I've been slightly overwhelmed, but good friends who know us,

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Speaker 2: both Wes Anderson, Fisher, Stevens, Greta Gerwerk assured me. Actually, Ruthie,

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Speaker 2: the two of you are rather alike. Francis and I

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Speaker 2: are here together after a long lunch in the River

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Speaker 2: Cafe to talk about food and wine, movies and families,

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Speaker 2: menus and friends, and much much more.

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Speaker 4: I'm convinced that The Godfather was successful because it was

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Speaker 4: the first gangster film that had a lot of kids

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Speaker 4: though they didn't have kids. But of course an Italian

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Speaker 2: So you grew up in a family that could Italian food,

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Speaker 5: That's how we started. Did you know Italian?

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Speaker 4: No? I only heard some cursed, but my mother didn't

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Speaker 4: want us to be like Italians couldn't live in certain neighborhoods. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and the Italians, you know, each immigrant group in America

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Speaker 4: one who came before. The Italians were the Irish, and

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Speaker 4: the Irish used to beat up on the Italians.

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Speaker 5: The policeman and the Godfather, right, the police.

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Speaker 4: The police were all Irish and they used to they

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Speaker 2: So you were restricted to this neighborhood. And did you

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Speaker 2: experience food other than Italian food or did you was

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Speaker 4: If you see the Godfather, you realized that I knew

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Speaker 4: that Italians used to get takeout Chinese food.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, every street.

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Speaker 4: Corner in New York had a German delicatessen, a candy

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Speaker 4: And a German delicatessen where you would buy cheesecake.

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Speaker 5: So there there would be a mix.

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Speaker 5: And we want to keep that. We want to keep

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Speaker 2: And then should we talk about polio.

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Speaker 2: I'd be interested in the fact that as a child

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Speaker 2: you had polio and spent how long invent I spent.

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Speaker 4: The whole sixth grade, so a whole year year, and

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Speaker 4: of course it had also affected adults. President Franklin Roosevelt

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Speaker 4: And you know, polio only affects you one night. In

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Speaker 4: But the damage is to your spinal cord, and napolio

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Speaker 4: destroys the nerves selectively within the spinal cord, so that

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Speaker 4: I mean literally, when I woke up, I woke up

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Speaker 4: the kids whose lungs were affected couldn't breathe, so they

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Speaker 4: were crying for their parents. Nightmare.

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Speaker 7: We have good news.

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Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four is launching on YouTube throughout the summer.

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Speaker 2: We'll be posting some of our favorite interviews across the series.

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Speaker 2: To watch, go to YouTube dot com slash hat symbol

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Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four pod. People always ask me who my

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Speaker 2: dream guest would be on Ruthie's Table four. Kate Blanchett

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Speaker 2: has always been top of that list. An actor, director,

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Speaker 2: and a vocal activist for values and ideas close to

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Speaker 2: my heart.

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Speaker 5: Kate and I are going.

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Speaker 2: To talk about our shared love of food and as always.

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Speaker 8: Family, I mean brand Australia. When I was growing up

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Speaker 8: And I think it's because it was my father's book.

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Speaker 2: The world knows Tony Blair as a visionary leader prime minister.

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Speaker 2: I know him as a close and loyal friend and

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Speaker 5: Is all mine.

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Speaker 2: So Downing Street is in office, it's a public space,

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Speaker 1: Or before going into Downy Street. I mean we did

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Speaker 1: And by the way, in our embassies you can eat

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Speaker 2: You didn't give very many steak dinners at Downing Street

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Speaker 2: Was there any in your memory that wasn't in China

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a state dinners where the head of state,

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Speaker 9: I do you remember having to eat humble pie with

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Speaker 5: That dish is humble pie? Did you have that for dessert?

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Speaker 9: It's a dish Irish people don't like to eat.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago, staying in the home Bonno's best friend

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Speaker 2: The warmth, the laughter, the music, the kindness was so overwhelming,

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Speaker 2: Today Bono and I are going to talk about family, food, music,

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Speaker 9: I'd gone in and I'd had a meeting with them.

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Speaker 9: These will be the best advertisements for America ever. So eventually,

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Speaker 9: people actually since then, because Barack Obama followed through and

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Speaker 9: I went in and I've been banging. I remember I

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Speaker 9: was banging on the table of the President of the

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Speaker 9: United States, and he got, hey, hey, I am the president. Okay,

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Speaker 9: I I I'll just remind you of that.

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Speaker 6: I inspect your He he was funny too, George Bush.

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Speaker 9: He had a great, great sense of humor. Yeah, so

449
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Speaker 9: I remember that anyway. I remember he said, sit down,

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Speaker 9: have some lunch, let's talk.

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Speaker 1: About do you remember what you ate?

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Speaker 4: Chicken?

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Speaker 5: Chicken? And then did you meet with Barack Obama?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, with every few times, a few times. But again

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Speaker 9: I would just say, and Obama was an extraordinary man

457
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Speaker 9: for so many reasons, but one of the more extraordinary

458
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Speaker 9: reasons is that even though George Bush had started this

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Speaker 9: pep FAR, which is the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS relief,

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Speaker 9: Barack Obama carried it on, in fact, put more of

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Speaker 9: American taxpayers money into it, even in President Bush had

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Speaker 9: and never asked for recognition. And it was kind of amazing.

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Speaker 9: But I do remember once, maybe this is okay to

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Speaker 9: tell the story because everyone knows now, I remember sitting

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Speaker 9: with Alicia Keys, myself and Barack Obama having lunch, and

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Speaker 9: I brought him a guitar and I ended up I

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Speaker 9: played I don't know, something like something simple on the guitar,

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Speaker 9: and he Breack Obama began to sing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he loves to sing.

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Speaker 9: But he'd never sung in public at that point, and

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Speaker 9: I was I was slagging them off, saying, oh, so

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Speaker 9: it's not enough to be the president of the United States.

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Speaker 9: You know, you're coming after our jobs. You're coming after

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Speaker 9: our jobs. And then a week later he sang and

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Speaker 9: then I don't know if you recall after the school

476
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Speaker 9: shooting when he sang amazing.

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Speaker 1: Grace, sang amazing grace.

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Speaker 9: Can you imagine the leader of the free world singing

479
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Speaker 9: amazing Grace?

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Speaker 5: And sing amazing Grace.

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Speaker 9: It's a song that means to me. It's a song

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Speaker 9: about a slaver, John John Newton, whose ship sank them

483
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Speaker 9: in Donny Gaull in Northern Ireland. So people that don't

484
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Speaker 9: gonna feel close to this song, but I will sing

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Speaker 9: it if you like.

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Speaker 1: Ea z Grace Hal sweet.

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Speaker 6: Boo Le's say.

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Speaker 1: Ooh rage like me?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, w wows loss.

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Speaker 5: Boot now I am found.

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Speaker 4: Was blind.

492
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Speaker 1: Boot now?

493
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Speaker 10: I see everyone knows.

494
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Speaker 2: Sianna Miller is an actress, of fashion designer and a

495
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Speaker 2: brave combatant who stood up for her rights against a

496
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Speaker 2: powerful media empire. Your experience that you had as a

497
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Speaker 2: person who was you know, doing their work, raising their children,

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Speaker 2: having your privacy, doing no harm, breaking no rules. Had

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Speaker 2: something horrible happened to her? And we could bring it

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Speaker 2: back to the food. I could say, what do you

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Speaker 2: eat when a when a newspaper empire goes for you

502
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Speaker 2: and tries to destroy you and goes into your phone?

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Speaker 4: Did that?

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Speaker 5: Did you feel hungry? Or did you give up eating?

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Speaker 2: But it is part of our conversation life and food

506
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Speaker 2: and fairness. And I wondered if you could say how

507
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Speaker 2: you felt when you woke up in the morning and knew.

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Speaker 6: Did you have breakfast or did you did stress? I

509
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Speaker 6: lose my appetite, you lose it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's interesting and I'm such a I love to

511
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Speaker 11: eat more than anything. It's kind of it's where I

512
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Speaker 11: get a huge amount of pleasure. But I yeah, I

513
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Speaker 11: lose my appetite if I'm under immense stress.

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Speaker 5: So what was it nice?

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Speaker 11: Well, the paparazzi attention at a very young age was

516
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Speaker 11: probably the most traumatizing and surreal because it happened from

517
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Speaker 11: one day to the next.

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Speaker 5: I will weld.

519
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Speaker 11: I was twenty one and I'd fallen in love with

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Speaker 11: my co star of.

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Speaker 6: My first film, and he was very famous, and there

522
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Speaker 6: were pictures of us.

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Speaker 11: We'd gone to the National Portrait Gallery or something, the

524
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Speaker 11: Taate Modern, I can't remember. And I remember leaving his

525
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Speaker 11: house the following day and getting in a black taxi

526
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Speaker 11: and the cave saying have.

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Speaker 6: You seen the news of the world today? And I

528
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Speaker 6: was like, what you know?

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Speaker 7: Twenty one?

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Speaker 6: And he said have you seen the news of the world?

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Speaker 11: And I said no, and he said, you're all over it,

532
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Speaker 11: and he threw a copy of the newspaper in the

533
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Speaker 11: back of the cab.

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Speaker 6: And there we were on the front.

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Speaker 11: It was so it was honestly like normal life to

536
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 11: absolute surreal, you know, life after that and I got

537
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Speaker 11: home to my flat and there were photographers all outside

538
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Speaker 11: my flat and that was it.

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Speaker 6: That was it. It was gloves off at.

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Speaker 11: That moment in culture where the tabloids had it all

541
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Speaker 11: the power and young women were really persecuted and men.

542
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Speaker 6: But it was really crazy. And at first it was

543
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Speaker 6: kind of funny.

544
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Speaker 11: I felt like Lara Croft or in some virtual experience,

545
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Speaker 11: and my friends we'd like run away and try and hide,

546
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Speaker 11: and it was giggly, but it became very quickly, very

547
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Speaker 11: insidious because it was threatening and aggressive, and it really

548
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 11: took over my entire identity. I felt like was being

549
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Speaker 11: written and read by people. But I felt so out

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Speaker 11: of control in a really formative moment. And this all

551
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Speaker 11: happened before that film had come out, or any film

552
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Speaker 11: would come out. I was at the very beginning of

553
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Speaker 11: my career, and I do look back and wonder how

554
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Speaker 11: different things would have been if I had been known

555
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Speaker 11: as an actor.

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Speaker 5: First.

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Speaker 11: It was a lot of a battle to kind of

558
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Speaker 11: establish myself and to be taken seriously and not seen

559
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Speaker 11: as someone who wore ice clothes, or had a famous boyfriend,

560
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Speaker 11: or it was a battle, and I think I definitely

561
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Speaker 11: through it.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure at that.

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Speaker 6: Time, but it was.

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Speaker 11: And then of course the phone hacking. I knew that

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Speaker 11: was going on at the time.

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Speaker 6: It was very difficult.

567
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Speaker 11: Because it would be well, it would be impossible for

568
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Speaker 11: them to know half of what they knew without some

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Speaker 11: form of eavesdropping. And I think there were bugs put

570
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Speaker 11: in houses and in cars, and trackers on cars and

571
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Speaker 11: all sorts of it was and you feel like you're

572
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Speaker 11: going mad, but clicks on the line of my mother's landline.

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Speaker 11: So it was relieving in a way to know that

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Speaker 11: I hadn't gone mad when I found out.

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Speaker 6: But to find out was really difficult.

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Speaker 11: I had to take the met Police to court to

577
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Speaker 11: get the evidence that they had in order to take

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Speaker 11: the news of the world to court, and they wanted

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Speaker 11: twenty one days to hand it over the evidence that

580
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Speaker 11: they had, and the judge said, hand it over.

581
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Speaker 6: Today in these four huge boxes filled.

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Speaker 11: With emails and phone numbers and numbers of my friends

583
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Speaker 11: and anyway, in the end I didn't settle out of

584
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 11: I took them to court, which meant I got far

585
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Speaker 11: less money than I would have done had I been quiet.

586
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 11: But actually it's one of the proudest things that I did.

587
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 11: And now some of the friends whose numbers they also

588
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 11: had got some money too, So it kind of feels

589
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Speaker 11: like that's a lovely that's a lovely ending to a saga.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was so comforted.

591
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: You could find in those days into cooking or to.

592
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 11: The cooking was always a grounding. I mean, it was

593
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 11: a decade really of harassment, but as much as possible,

594
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 11: it's okay because it sucks in retrospect, but it also

595
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 11: is a huge part of who.

596
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Speaker 7: I am and why I am.

597
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Speaker 11: The way that I am and what matters to me

598
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 11: is very clear, and what doesn't matter and what's out

599
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Speaker 11: of your control is also very clear. And I think

600
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Speaker 11: I tried to control it for a long time and

601
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 11: then gave up. And I now know my friends, my family,

602
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Speaker 11: the people I love, the restaurants I love, the food

603
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Speaker 11: I love, The community around me is sacred and respected,

604
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 11: and the rest I don't care. I feel like everyone

605
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 11: in the world see my you know, dirty underwear.

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Speaker 6: There's nothing more I can. Everyone knows everything, whatever it's.

607
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 7: But I know the power.

608
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's saying that gives you.

609
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Speaker 6: I have been killed, you.

610
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: Know, there are people who have been destroyed.

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Speaker 11: Well now I'm proud that I didn't go that far,

612
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 11: but I understand absolutely why you lose your mind. It

613
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Speaker 11: kind of perpetuates behavior that coping mechanisms that are toxic,

614
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 11: drinking too much or going out too much, or just

615
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 11: keeping moving because it's also crazy and you can see

616
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 11: why people unravel, and actually it suits them the more

617
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 11: you unravel. But I think, yeah, having that stability in

618
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Speaker 11: my family, my mother, my sister, it kept it kept

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Speaker 11: me anchored in a way where I feel like if

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Speaker 11: I didn't have that, I understand how people derail completely.

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Speaker 2: man whose life embraces solitude. He is the first person

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Speaker 2: to reach by foot the North Pole, South Pole, and

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Speaker 2: Mount Everest.

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Speaker 5: When did you first become in love with a pole?

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Speaker 5: With all the.

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Speaker 12: First time I became aware of the North Pole, I

636
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Speaker 12: was seven years old. My pilots gave me this globe,

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Speaker 12: this globust, for my birthday present. And this was in

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Speaker 12: nineteen seventy. So at that time, the globes were small,

639
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Speaker 12: a bit blueish dark blue where the oceans were deep,

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Speaker 12: it was dark brown where the mountains were high. And

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Speaker 12: at the top of the globe it was a little

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Speaker 12: flat metal plate to kind of hold the globe together.

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Speaker 12: And then I was wondering what's below that metal, and

644
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 12: of course that was a North Pole. And then, as

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Speaker 12: you know, then I was wandering about it. And then

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Speaker 12: slowly through my life I got more and more interested

647
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Speaker 12: and eventually obsessed about walking to the North Pole. So

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Speaker 12: I was in low with the North Pole for many years.

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Speaker 2: What's the longest time you've gone on a trip? Would

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Speaker 2: it be for a month?

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Speaker 4: Would it be?

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Speaker 5: Oh, makes too.

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Speaker 12: Much like sixty sixty five days?

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Speaker 5: Sixty five days.

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Speaker 12: They bring all the food you need with you the

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Speaker 12: whole time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what are the disciplines around that? How much

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Speaker 2: it will wait to carry, how much space it will take,

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Speaker 2: and how much nutrition will it give you?

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Speaker 12: Yes, balance, it's you eat around one kilow every day

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Speaker 12: with dried food and they mix it with water.

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Speaker 5: It's all dry old.

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Speaker 12: Dry to say weight, because what is it for breakfast?

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Speaker 12: You have oat oat meal?

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Speaker 5: You have to use a lot of water then.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, from melting ice and snow. Oh, so you don't

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Speaker 12: bring in the water. So that's a good noise, that's

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Speaker 12: a goodness. So don't worry about that.

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Speaker 5: Take any you just take the snow and just let it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you need to find all old ice because fresh

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Speaker 12: fresh ice contains lots of salt. So you can tell

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Speaker 12: by the color of the eyes if it contains salt

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Speaker 12: or not.

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Speaker 1: And then how do you melt it?

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Speaker 12: You melt it by having little primacies that what they

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Speaker 12: call it little heater, which is made in a way

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Speaker 12: so all the heat from the flame goes to the pot.

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Speaker 12: So even when it's minus fourteen fifty degrees, we're not

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Speaker 12: heating the tent. It gets a little but warmer because

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Speaker 12: of the body heat. But it's we don't heat the tent.

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Speaker 5: Why don't you want to eat because.

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Speaker 12: You want to say weight, So you have like two

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Speaker 12: des liters of fuel per day, and then you have

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Speaker 12: to really save everything because you've got to drag everything

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Speaker 12: you need for more than two months, and then you're

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Speaker 12: not having enough fuel to heat the tent, so you're

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Speaker 12: freezing so much to actually you know you sometimes you

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Speaker 12: start crying because you're freezing so much. But anyway, so

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Speaker 12: this this old milk, but also we mix it with

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Speaker 12: formula milk, dried formula milk because that's what gives the

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Speaker 12: most energy program and then eat the same for larnch

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Speaker 12: throughout the day, maybe some chocolate or definitely some chocolate,

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Speaker 12: but with extra calories, especially made chocolate. The extra calories

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Speaker 12: just as like a snack, having brakes and maybe chocolate.

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Speaker 12: Like you have to get used to the taste because

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Speaker 12: it's so much fatter it so it doesn't really taste

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Speaker 12: well at home. But you know the thing is this

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Speaker 12: food is none of this food tastes really good when

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Speaker 12: you start eating it. But then as the days and

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Speaker 12: weeks pass by and you get more and more tired

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Speaker 12: and more and more hungry, it tastes better and better

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Speaker 12: and better, and eventually it tastes as good as a

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Speaker 12: food at Wevercaffee.

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Speaker 5: Which absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, if you ever on

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Speaker 2: a trip were aware that it might be your birthday,

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Speaker 2: it might be Christmas, it might be a Norwegian holiday,

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Speaker 2: would you celebrate in any way?

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 12: When I walked to the South Paul alone, I had

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 12: Christmas and New Year's by myself. I was alone for

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Speaker 12: fifty days and nights.

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Speaker 6: And fifty were alone for fifty days.

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Speaker 12: And no radio and no telephone contact, so in total solitude.

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Speaker 12: So then I was still remembering Christmas Eve, which is

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Speaker 12: a big day Norway. I ate a little bit extra,

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00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 12: had a piece of cake with me. When you're alone

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Speaker 12: for such a long time, you kind of stop thinking

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Speaker 12: in the sense that the past and the future don't

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Speaker 12: matter so much. And of course that's a kind of

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Speaker 12: a noise too, because thinking and think about the past

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Speaker 12: or the future, but you're very much in the present.

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Speaker 12: You kind of stop thinking, which is a beautiful feeling.

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Speaker 12: But then on Christmas Eve, I sat there eating this cake,

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Speaker 12: I felt like, at least like you know, then I

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Speaker 12: was thinking about people back home and that they were

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00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 12: thinking about me, because Also, when you're alone for such

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00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 12: a long time you don't really believe people, then you

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00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 12: kind of you kind of get a feeling that you're

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Speaker 12: also kind of forgotten.

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Speaker 5: And was there a pleasure that you had when you

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Speaker 5: were walking the.

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Speaker 12: Pleasure is I think the pleasures on an expedition are

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Speaker 12: there original sources to gratefulness in the sense that you

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Speaker 12: get rested when you talk tired, you get warm after

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Speaker 12: having been cold, you get full after having been hungry,

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Speaker 12: and that's kind of that's what gratefulness is about. And

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Speaker 12: I think gratefulness is one of the most undervalued things

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Speaker 12: in life.

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Speaker 1: And as I.

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Speaker 12: Said, Norway, where most people should be super duper grateful

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Speaker 12: all day hard and Moon is grateful, so you know,

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Speaker 12: we should almost learn in that school to be grateful.

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Speaker 12: But anyway, on an expedition, you really feel gratefulness for

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Speaker 12: those three reasons and the same reasons why humans very

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Speaker 12: grateful one hundred thousand years ago.

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Speaker 2: And that's it for this season. That with this table before,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back in October, and until then we'll be

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Speaker 2: sharing some of our favorite episodes from the archive. And

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