1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Ola Latino USA listener, it's mariaino Hosa today. We're going 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: to share an episode of Caliber sixty. It's a podcast 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: by our colleagues over at Texas Public Radio. The limited 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: series with episodes in both English and Spanish, as hosted 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: by Mexican journalists Stefania Gurbi and Argentine photojournalist Doya Sarno Jordan. 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Caliber sixty dives into how the trafficking of illegal arms 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: from the United States to Mexico impacts on the displacement 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: of Mexicans. On episode one, we meet Linda, who is 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: forced to flee her hometown of metre Kan, which is 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: the avocado capital of the world as armed groups tightened 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: their grip of the lucrative avocado industry with weapons smuggled 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: from the US. Here's Caliber sixty Episode one. 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: This podcast was supported by the Pulitzer. 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: Cent She is as Nero. 15 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 4: When Ninda makes mole, the traditional Mexican dish that combines 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 4: over forty ingredients, she doesn't need a recipe. She remembers 17 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 4: every step by heart. 18 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 5: Will not slept on muchos, condiment tabli, calamia. 19 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 4: Chili, cinnamon, peppers, cloves, and sometimes even chocolate. Recalling these 20 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: ingredients reminds her of home. Simmering pots fill her kitchen. 21 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: She smiles. She recounts the natural beauty of her home 22 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 4: in Mexico, the one she was forced to leave. 23 00:01:54,200 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 5: Cerro and Precioso. 24 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: Xtao, Michok and is now a place she can visit 25 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 4: only in memory. 26 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 6: The smell of fresh tortillas wafts off the camal. She 27 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 6: offers the option of corner flour to go with them. 28 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 7: Joe and. 29 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 6: Last see nixt She had a view of rolling hills 30 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 6: full of trees, a laundry business space for her family. 31 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 6: Now she's living in a rented room that she shares 32 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 6: with her three children. 33 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: Linaver calls a yellow landscape covered by milpas or cornfields. 34 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 4: Now it's placed by infinite rows of avocado trees espur 35 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: ja maotracosa. 36 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 6: And the reason is simple. These are communities who sole 37 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 6: income relies on agriculture. Their land has the perfect conditions 38 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 6: to grow a product that is in very high demand. 39 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 7: I eat avocados probably four times a week. 40 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: Avocado is amazing. It's probably my favorite vegetable. 41 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 4: Is that a tree? 42 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: I didn't even else it's the wash. 43 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty five, Americans ate four hundred and thirty 44 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: six million pounds of avocados per year. By twenty twenty, 45 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: that number exploded to two point seven billion. I mean 46 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: there are even avocado bars in New York. You know. 47 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 8: Last year I was in New York and I saw 48 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 8: avocados being sold in the Lower East Side for four 49 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 8: dollars in avocado. 50 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 6: We all love our sorodo avocado toast with poachticks or 51 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 6: spicy wakamola while watching the game. 52 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: Remember this year's Super bowlart the one We're an affairs place. 53 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: Even the Garden of Eden and New York City is 54 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: now the big avocado and then the catchy avocados from Mexico. 55 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 4: How are avocados and one of the most expensive ad 56 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 4: placements in the world. 57 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 6: Well, that's easy. This is a three billion dollar business 58 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 6: driven by a voracious demand from the US, and the 59 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 6: main producer is Linda's home, the Mexican state of Michua Kan. 60 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 5: And Tremas mirawanke. 61 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: Mass plantaw Nawakate. 62 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 6: So for people in Mitcha Kan, changing their crops to 63 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 6: avocados meant having more income, living in a better house, 64 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 6: and finding a livelihood that could give them new opportunities 65 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 6: in the agricultural business, but. 66 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: New money doesn't go unnoticed. 67 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: The weekend, the US temporarily banned Mexican avocados due to 68 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: a security threat. I thre at highlighting the criminal element 69 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: that continues to afflict the avocado market. 70 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 4: Avocado imports came to a screeching hold right before the 71 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: twenty twenty two Super Bowl, and the rotten underbelly of 72 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: this industry was exposed in the United States. 73 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: But this story is way bigger than avocados. 74 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 6: It's about the complicated relationship between the violence guns perpetuate 75 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 6: and the people that are being forced out of Mexico 76 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 6: because of it. 77 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: The story will take you from the beautiful avocado fields Emichakan, Mexico, 78 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 4: to wineries in Napa, California. 79 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 6: To the Nera Convention and the migrant shelters in Tijuana, to. 80 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: The homes of families who've experienced grief on both sides 81 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 4: of this endless war on drugs. 82 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm Toya Sarno Jordan. 83 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 6: And I'm Stephaniacorpi. 84 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: This is episode one of Caliber sixty. 85 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 6: Pistao. Linda's quiet hometown in Michigan had remained relatively calm 86 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 6: at the time when other parts of Mexico had become 87 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 6: battlefields for organized crime. 88 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 5: And lay huge until Alaska. 89 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 6: Yes, before streets were paved, kids had fun playing outside 90 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 6: on dirt roads. Neighbors organized parties, and like in any 91 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 6: small town, everyone was invited. 92 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 5: SAA. 93 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 6: You'd chat with any what you'd meet. Everyone knew everything 94 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 6: about everyone. That's why the arrival of unfamiliar men didn't 95 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 6: go unnoticed. 96 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: They weren't from around town ni nis. They never said 97 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: where they came from or share their names. 98 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 6: The first time Linda saw weapons in Nistado, they were 99 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 6: hanging off the shoulders of these men who drove by 100 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 6: in SUVs. As weeks went by, these appearances became more 101 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 6: frequent and the SUVs multiplied. 102 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 5: So did the guns and semana iran guatre, communitas, yamas, 103 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 5: genas de ombres armaos. 104 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 6: By the third week, there were four trucks filled with 105 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 6: more men. They stopped occasionally to buy things at the 106 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 6: store and continued on their way. 107 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: But the real problems began when they decided to stay. 108 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 5: And those sim Al Principioira Berque Casa Stavasola. 109 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: They started squatting in abandoned houses, many left behind by 110 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 4: people who migrated to the US. But once all the 111 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: empty houses were taken, they began forcing families out of 112 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: their own homess. At gunpoint, people were cast to the street. 113 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: How do you say no to an armed group of men? 114 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: In Nanoche Domavan and in Persona and Lassos Albiento. 115 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 4: Linda recalls that these men often got drunk and gunshots 116 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 4: could be heard throughout the evening. 117 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: The still Knights of Victo had ended. But why Cartels 118 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: across the country are fighting for the lucrative drug traffic 119 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: and routes into the United States. 120 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 6: So the latest figures are around thirty nine dead. Now 121 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 6: this is you said. 122 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 7: This is an area right on the border of Michoka. 123 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 9: The average American now eats seven pounds of avocados a year. 124 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 7: The demand has made a lot of farmers in Mexico rich, 125 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 7: but it's also drawn the attention of organized crime. 126 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 6: Avocados the crop that brought money and abundance tweaks that 127 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 6: has got the eye of the Nartico group Los Viagras. Yes, 128 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 6: like the little blue pill, all narticles are after one thing, money, 129 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 6: regardless of where it's coming from. 130 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 5: In a Raniolonico, Cassian rapidiles quotas, alas, personas, quetin and su. 131 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: Linda explains that Los Pviira's began charging avocado farmers a 132 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: fee when the could costume their lives if they failed 133 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 4: to pay. Extorting avocado farmers was Los Vieira's way into 134 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 4: the industry and into new territory. 135 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 6: Sadly, this is nothing new in Michokan. 136 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 5: Borgue deecho, joponescucha, loslaso cito, Jossia is to solampas and peliculas. 137 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: This only happens in movies, Linda thought to herself when 138 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: news of violence in nearby t began to build fear 139 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: in Nikstado. 140 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 6: Many towns in Michokan were invaded years before the Kikstado 141 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 6: when the infamous Mexican drug war began back in two 142 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 6: thousand and six. Peace died a long time ago in Michokan. 143 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: And American guns are fueling this violence. You're listening to 144 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: caliber sixty. Stay with us, Welcome back to caliber sixty. 145 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: The size of avocados is measured by caliber, just like ammunition, 146 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: and this story is about America's obsession with both. 147 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: For decades, the US and Mexico have. 148 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: Been in constant negotiations over how to deal with migrants, drugs, 149 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: and guns funds moving across the border. 150 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 7: One of the flows that has been widely identified is 151 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 7: that while drugs flow north, money and weapons comes out. 152 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 6: That's Cecilia for Fan Mendez, a security expert at U See, 153 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 6: San Diego and co founder of Mexico Violence, a think 154 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 6: tank that researches violence trends in Mexico. 155 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 7: So increasingly, what we're seeing in Mexico is people being 156 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 7: violently displaced from their communities from groups that are actually 157 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 7: heavily armed. 158 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 6: She adds that these displays of weapons helped create a 159 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 6: perception of power building fear within the community, like this 160 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 6: video released by one of the most powerful groups, Cartel Halisco. 161 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 4: The video shows several dozen uniformed men armed with military 162 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 4: grade weapons, including fifty caliber sniper rifles, alongside a convoy 163 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: of armored vehicles. 164 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 8: When you go to the forensic cloud where there's been 165 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 8: up to one thousand dead bodies, just bodies everywhere. Right 166 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 8: in the next room is the women and children looking 167 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 8: for their disappeared. You know, you could smell them, for 168 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 8: goodness sake. 169 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: That's Smothy Sloane, ATF's former attache in Mexico City. He's 170 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 4: seen up close the deaths these weapons and drugs are causing. 171 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 8: Realistically, at least eighty percent of the firearms in Mexico 172 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 8: co for the United States. 173 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: That's right. 174 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 4: By tracing these weapons found in shootings in Mexico, Sloan 175 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 4: and his team were able to estimate that around eighty 176 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: percent of all firearms in the country come from the 177 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: United States. 178 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 10: In all of Mexico there is only one legal gun store. Somehow, 179 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 10: the country is still littered with high powered weapons, mostly 180 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 10: smuggled from the United States. Now, the Mexican government is 181 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 10: taking an unprecedented step suing arms manufacturers in US federal court. 182 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 6: In twenty twenty one, the Mexican government suit eleven American 183 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 6: gun manufacturers like cold Smith and Wesson and Bereta. Here's 184 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 6: Alejandro Clorio, Mexico's lead attorney in the lawsuit. 185 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 9: The gun industry the big manufacturers that were suing are 186 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 9: on notice and are aware that their products are sold 187 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 9: to cartels to criminals, and they have done nothing to 188 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 9: change this. 189 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 6: The lawsuit six ten billion dollars for the negligence that 190 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 6: has let millions of guns slip across the border and 191 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 6: We're not just talking about pistols. 192 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 9: Let's remember that in Mexico we have civilians committing crimes 193 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 9: with military style weapons, weapons that shouldn't be in the 194 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 9: hands of civilians. 195 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: Celario is right. 196 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 4: In March twenty twenty two, the Mexican Army seized a 197 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: historic amount of high powered weapons and ammunition, including six 198 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: fifty caliber weapons, one hundred and thirty long guns, and 199 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: three million. 200 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: Rounds of high caliber ammunition. 201 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 4: And as mentioned in the previous news club, there's only 202 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 4: one legal gun store in the country compared to the 203 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: over fifty two thousand in the US. 204 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 6: Celaria believes the Mexican government is doing the best they 205 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 6: can to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. 206 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 9: The governments have been doing their job, but what about 207 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 9: the corporations. 208 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: The lawsuit has been criticized for being politically motivated, but 209 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: something needs to be done. More and more military grade 210 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: weapons are being found in crime scenes in Mexico. Now 211 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 4: the concern isn't just how many, but how big. 212 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 6: Viral videos from the twenty twenty three capture of a 213 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 6: chapel's son a video Guzman, shown narcos firing at military 214 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 6: helicopters and airplanes with fifty caliber machine guns. 215 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: In other words, these are civilians trying to shoot down 216 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: Mexican military helicopters with US military weapons. Violence keeps reaching 217 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: new levels in Mexico. 218 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 6: Left with no protection from authorities, grassroots groups sprouted in 219 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 6: mech Gan and back in Nixtao. That glimmer of hope 220 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 6: was called Pueblos or United Towns. 221 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 5: Yo Lads, Nava Mahina and Costa Cali and vinoss Alvarnos. 222 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 6: Linda was excited that someone finally came to rescue them 223 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 6: from the hold of the narco group Los Viagras. In 224 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 6: twenty twenty, the vigilante band of farmers Pueblos formed to 225 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 6: defend the avocado crops from narco control in Nizioco. 226 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: More Momento, the defenser territorial. 227 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: Idni Alvarez, a sociologists and researcher from the Corregio and Mexico, 228 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 4: explains that these self defense groups emerged as a means 229 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: to defend their territory. The self defense groups like not 230 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 4: only fight with weapons, but with politics. 231 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: The clarato to defenstrate politica. 232 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 6: Small towns supported by self defense groups suddenly had political 233 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 6: average and the attention of local governments for a community 234 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 6: held hostage by narcos, this might be the only option. 235 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: Pos secretly approached Eto, offering their help to fight off 236 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: the narcos. 237 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: Leo Priami sequs No. 238 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 6: Linda didn't want her children around weapons, but under the 239 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 6: grip of narco control, Etto had no choice but to 240 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,479 Speaker 6: join Pueblos. 241 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: A few months later, the true motivations came to life. 242 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 4: More of this on the next episode of Caliber sixty, 243 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 4: Papastan and Cielo What can. 244 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 6: I tell his son? Your father is in heaven? 245 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: Caliber sixty is. 246 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: Reported and produced by Stefania Korbi and me Toya Sarno Jordan. 247 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: Producer Jacob Prosardi created all the sound design and original scoring. 248 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: For this podcast. 249 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 6: Audio editing by Bennett Smith. Our editor is vet men Abides, 250 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 6: Associate editor of TPR and TPR and Ossias and Then 251 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 6: Katz is tpr's vice president of News and our executive producer. 252 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 4: This is a production of Texas Public Radio with support 253 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 4: from the Pulitzer Center and the Catena Foundation. 254 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 2: Until next time,