Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: That's very important. We have to traumatize a woman in
Speaker 2: order to truly give everyone the Andrew Tate experience. Let's
Speaker 2: just open the episodes with that. Everyone will love that. Sophie,
Speaker 2: welcome back to being on camera.
Speaker 1: Finally back up in my office. I can finally walk
Speaker 1: back up the stairs.
Speaker 3: And half the plants up here did not survive the surgery,
Speaker 3: and I'm really really really based about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a lot of people don't survive surgery.
Speaker 2: Good luck if you're going into surgery. Jesus know I'm
Speaker 2: having a horrible, horrible introductions this week.
Speaker 1: Jesus, you do kind of look like a poet today.
Speaker 1: You're giving poets, Sophie.
Speaker 2: I am a poet, thank you very much. A poet
Speaker 2: of people who really suck ass. That's the kind of
Speaker 2: poet I am, much like Yeats.
Speaker 3: I really, I really don't like when you're mean to yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm just I'm just I'm just watching that falcon,
Speaker 2: unable to hear the falcon here, gyres are widening all
Speaker 2: that good ship.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm just handing out treats to my dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like when somebody is mean to one of
Speaker 3: my dogs. I can't stomach it. It's not all right.
Speaker 1: Also, Ian's here.
Speaker 2: Hi Ian, Hi Ian. How are you doing today?
Speaker 1: Welcome. I'm pretty good walking into us being weird.
Speaker 4: I'm afraid of what I'm about to hear for the
Speaker 4: next hour or so, but you know what, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Goodness. You should be, We all should be, because today
Speaker 2: we're finally giving you an update on Andrew Tait and
Speaker 2: Andrew Uptate. I hate every time I say that, and
Speaker 2: I still keep saying it.
Speaker 1: Because you set me multiple files.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did well because I edited it when some
Speaker 2: new ship came out, because stuff keeps happy. Because I
Speaker 2: know about this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He really sent you some horrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sent me a thing right as I was
Speaker 2: finishing this, and I was like, great, now I have
Speaker 2: to go back into the fucking file on my you
Speaker 2: know day that I'm relaxing.
Speaker 4: Between the last episodes we did and this update and
Speaker 4: then the Manisphere series on James. God, I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm swimming in it. I'm deep in the.
Speaker 2: Water, so you're filthy with tape. It's like wading into
Speaker 2: a sewer. So we're going to be answering the question
Speaker 2: what's new with Andrew Tait Because you've probably heard a
Speaker 2: lot of confusing stories and I think people who are
Speaker 2: just kind of like casually looking at the coverage are like, oh, wait,
Speaker 2: he's out of jail now, or the charges dropped, he's
Speaker 2: back in the US, Wait is he under investigation?
Speaker 1: And the what's happening.
Speaker 2: We're going to get into all that. I'm gonna explain
Speaker 2: exactly what's happened, what's happening with with the man, and
Speaker 2: then in part two we're going to talk a lot
Speaker 2: about some new stuff that's come out, about things that
Speaker 2: were happening, you know, during the last episodes we wrote,
Speaker 2: but that we didn't know because there have been a
Speaker 2: bunch of leaks from his website since. So this is
Speaker 2: all important information that does kind of change my understanding
Speaker 2: of how this guy operates and what's actually going on
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. But let's start with like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck's going on right now and what's been going on
Speaker 2: since we talked about him last. So when we we
Speaker 2: left Monsieur Tate back in twenty two, don't give he'd
Speaker 2: been arrested and jailed and then released to house arrest,
Speaker 2: and in the two years since simultaneously, very little has
Speaker 2: changed and at the same time quite a lot has.
Speaker 2: So let's start with just a little bit of an
Speaker 2: overview of what went down. Andrew aged thirty six, and Tristan,
Speaker 2: age thirty four, at the time, we're both arrested on
Speaker 2: December twenty ninth, twenty twenty two. They'd moved to Romania
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and had drawn attention from the authorities
Speaker 2: for trafficking women and forming an organized crime ring to
Speaker 2: do so. Investigators identified seven women who alleged that they
Speaker 2: had been forced to perform sex acts on camera for
Speaker 2: the tates financial gain. One of the women accused Andrew
Speaker 2: of having raped twice in March of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Another woman acclaimed a TIT associate had used violence to
Speaker 2: force her to stay in their compound after she attempted
Speaker 2: to leave. Both brothers were locked up in a Romanian
Speaker 2: prison for about three months. While they were incarcerated, die caught.
Speaker 2: The Romanian federal agency devoted to organized crime, who was
Speaker 2: handling this case, towed away a bunch of their luxury
Speaker 2: cars and seized almost four million dollars in assets. Ultimately,
Speaker 2: they were released to house at rest and then nothing
Speaker 2: seemed to happen For quite a while. Andrew continued posting
Speaker 2: on Twitter, and he guested remotely in podcasts from his
Speaker 2: compound in Romania. Right wing figures would fly to Romania
Speaker 2: and visit him and put him on their various shows.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until June of twenty twenty three that Tate
Speaker 2: was formally indicted. He and his brother and two Romanian
Speaker 2: women were charged with forming an organized criminal group in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one in orchestrating a campaign of human trafficking
Speaker 2: in three different countries. He was also charged with rape.
Speaker 2: So there's a significant gap between December of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two when he was initially arrested, and then a few
Speaker 2: months later house arrests started it. But it wasn't until
Speaker 2: June of the next year, of twenty twenty three, that
Speaker 2: he actually gets indicted for anything. And that is going
Speaker 2: to be a sign that the actual case around this
Speaker 2: is messy. And it's not messy because there's not a
Speaker 2: bunch of evidence of fucked up shit Andrew did. It's
Speaker 2: messy in part because the Romanian justice system not the
Speaker 2: best in the world.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Romanian criminal investigations don't always have their p's and ques
Speaker 2: put together here. So the mass of coverage around the
Speaker 2: indictments and allegations led to a flood of additional allegations
Speaker 2: from women who had been abused by Andrew back home
Speaker 2: in the UK. I'm gonna quote from the New York
Speaker 2: Times here. In March. This is twenty twenty three, the
Speaker 2: Romanian authorities arrested the Tates again after Britain said it
Speaker 2: was pursuing them over separate accusations related to sexual crimes
Speaker 2: and exploitation in that country. A Bucharest court ruled soon
Speaker 2: afterward that they would be extradited to Britain to face
Speaker 2: those charges after legal proceedings conclude in Romania. And this
Speaker 2: is the way things are right there is that case
Speaker 2: is continuing to build. UK authorities have expressed being very
Speaker 2: bullish on prosecuting the Tates, and as things stand once
Speaker 2: the investigation, it's kind of it might the fact they bullish,
Speaker 2: they because they think they've got they have a good case,
Speaker 2: and the UK has a functional criminal justice system somewhat
Speaker 2: they have prosecutors who know how to put together a
Speaker 2: case better than the Romanian ones do I.
Speaker 3: Think, I guess, but these guys have gotten away with
Speaker 3: it for so long that just like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: And the UK, to be fair, UK authorities massively fucked
Speaker 2: up the first set of allegations.
Speaker 1: Yes, why are you so confident when because this is your.
Speaker 2: Jobs, Because this has become a massive issue in the
Speaker 2: UK right both because like fifty by most recent polls,
Speaker 2: like fifty two percent of men under nineteen have a
Speaker 2: positive view of Andrew Tait in the UK. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: he has been he has been. He's also becoming extremely
Speaker 2: dem to a lot of like adults and a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, the people in politics in the country.
Speaker 2: So he is a massive figure over there for that reason,
Speaker 2: and at least all of the signs I'm saying is
Speaker 2: that the UK is very wants to prosecute him aggressively,
Speaker 2: and so the best thing for him maybe the fact
Speaker 2: that this Romanian case has been so messy because they
Speaker 2: can't They won't extradite him until they either charge him
Speaker 2: and the case is concluded or they drop the investigation. Right. So,
Speaker 2: the day before I finalized these episodes, BBC article dropped
Speaker 2: with more details from this case, the case of the
Speaker 2: four women in the UK who are alleging crimes committed
Speaker 2: by Tate. According to court documents in those cases, which
Speaker 2: have become recently available, one of these women alleges that
Speaker 2: Tate pointed a gun at her at her face and
Speaker 2: told her, you're going to do as I say or
Speaker 2: there'll be hell to pay. Another woman claims that he
Speaker 2: threatened to kill her. Another says that he threatened to
Speaker 2: kill anyone who spoke to her, and another says he
Speaker 2: convinced her he'd killed people in the past. I don't,
Speaker 2: just based on what's not known about him, believe that.
Speaker 2: But he has a as we'll talk about, he spends
Speaker 2: a lot of time and effort trying to convince people
Speaker 2: that he is like a very deadly man, particularly fourteen
Speaker 2: year old boys and the teenage women he primarily pursues,
Speaker 2: which I'm not saying she's silly for taking that seriously.
Speaker 2: You should always take it seriously when a guy who
Speaker 2: was threatening you says.
Speaker 1: That, especially if they allegedly are holding a gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well he was only holding a gun allegedly on
Speaker 2: one of them, not one. These were four different women,
Speaker 2: one guy. Yeah, these were four different men with different allegations.
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate, Tristan Tate which is his brother and weird
Speaker 2: little sidekick and their spokesperson have repeatedly denied these and
Speaker 2: all other allegations against them. He has also taken what
Speaker 2: we will describe as uneven efforts to reform his image.
Speaker 2: For one thing, he converted to his lom supposedly and
Speaker 2: has made a number of videos showed up on some
Speaker 2: podcasts about that there's a good BBC documentary and which
Speaker 2: people who were close to him and know him say, like,
Speaker 2: that's a lie, and I believe Again, He's been spotted repeatedly,
Speaker 2: like when he got back to Florida at like in clubs,
Speaker 2: in and around alcohol drinking partying in ways that like
Speaker 2: strict observant Muslims don't do, what with the booze. But
Speaker 2: he's also tried to remake his image as a philanthropist.
Speaker 2: Now this started with just kind of bullshit. He claimed
Speaker 2: that in the past he had donated heavily to charities,
Speaker 2: he built a dog shelter in Romania and was going
Speaker 2: to rebuild an orphanage. But in the wake of these allegations,
Speaker 2: he launched the website tatepledge dot com and claimed in
Speaker 2: a video I donate twenty five million dollars a year
Speaker 2: defeeding children in war torn countries, especially in the Islamic world,
Speaker 2: because that's where war is. There's actually war all over
Speaker 2: the place, not just in the Islamic world. Andrew Tate
Speaker 2: in that video, he announced the birth of the Tate Foundation,
Speaker 2: which quote is going to be dedicated to charitable acts.
Speaker 2: I will be spending millions and millions of dollars on
Speaker 2: charitable acts for the rest of my human life.
Speaker 1: God, what's happening on this website?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's I mean it's like videos. So those
Speaker 2: are videos that when you like, different charities put out
Speaker 2: for their donors. Well, we'll be explaining that in a second,
Speaker 2: Like what's going on on this site? But I want
Speaker 2: to people to see tape pledge dot com.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: It looks like a normal charitable website where like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're collecting all the different donations from these people, but
Speaker 2: these are all supposed to be from Andrew Tait, Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew Chates has not changed lives for the better.
Speaker 2: Come on, no, after he states God has blessed me
Speaker 2: with fantastic wealth. It's more money than I will ever
Speaker 2: personally need. The video than displaced text saying this is
Speaker 2: how the most famous man on Earth exerts his influence
Speaker 2: despite all the attacks from his fiercest critics, he's the
Speaker 2: only one actively trying to change the world for the better. Now,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about how real all this shit is in
Speaker 2: a second. It's not. Mostly. If you go to the
Speaker 2: tape Plage Pledge website, it looks kind of like a
Speaker 2: normal NGO, right, except the fact that the weird fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is like, normally a site like this
Speaker 2: would be keeping track of a bunch of people donating,
Speaker 2: and this is just supposed to be the Tates and
Speaker 2: some of their Inner Circle War Room members. On that
Speaker 2: site today, it claims that almost one point two million
Speaker 2: lives have been changed by their donations, and twelve million
Speaker 2: dollars are donated, and even that is significantly less than
Speaker 2: Tate claimed he was planning to spend. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: the There's like forty three projects listed on the site,
Speaker 2: from wheelchairs for disabled kids to distributing food aid and Yemen,
Speaker 2: and it all sounds nice and weirdly innocuous for the Tates.
Speaker 2: And so the obvious question one asks now is is
Speaker 2: any of this real? And to answer that I'm going
Speaker 2: to refer to an investigation published on the website Unheard
Speaker 2: and written by Steve Bogan. Quote. There is very little
Speaker 2: evidence of more than a million lives being changed or
Speaker 2: of tens of millions of dollars being spent. Fewer than
Speaker 2: ten charities feature in the videos, and at least one
Speaker 2: is now defunct. The tate's most regular collaborator is Muslim
Speaker 2: Global Relief, a Manchester based charity with an income of
Speaker 2: three point four million pounds and three employees. It's deputy
Speaker 2: managing director, Mohammed Bashir, told me that Muslim Global Relief
Speaker 2: conducted sixteen to twenty projects with Tate donated money this
Speaker 2: financial year, but the total amount spent was thirty thousand
Speaker 2: pounds at most. Asked whether the Tate funded projects were
Speaker 2: long term or one off events, mister Bisheer said, one
Speaker 2: project at a time in different places. The charity, he added,
Speaker 2: had made a policy decision to carry out and taking
Speaker 2: money from the Tates regardless of the charges they faced. However,
Speaker 2: if they were found guilty, Global Muslim Relief with several
Speaker 2: ties and both so we're looking at tens of thousands
Speaker 2: from the most documented charity, not millions. This is clearly
Speaker 2: the kind of like a tax dodge sort of situation
Speaker 2: as well as being like a pr thing. But also
Speaker 2: Tate's been accused of not paying like tens of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars in UK taxes over the years, so it's
Speaker 2: one of those like this, this doesn't count to me,
Speaker 2: like the fact that you lied about how much you
Speaker 2: gave in order to get some videos that you could
Speaker 2: put on a website and gave what is effectively pocket
Speaker 2: change based on what you actually owe in taxes. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't really give a shit. So and
Speaker 2: even that I should say, this is like the most
Speaker 2: documented relationship they have with a charity. Even that possibly
Speaker 2: semi legit thirty k donation is incredibly sketchy when a
Speaker 2: journalist digs into it, because Bogan like did the smart
Speaker 2: thing and after Global Moosim Relief was like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: gave us some money, like not as much as he claimed,
Speaker 2: but some. He was like, so like how did they
Speaker 2: transfer these funds to you? Like how'd they get sent
Speaker 2: to you? And they said, and this is so weird.
Speaker 2: They were like, well, actually Tate didn't give them to
Speaker 2: us directly. A journalist who we won't name. Handed it
Speaker 2: to us from Tate quote from their representatives. What we
Speaker 2: don't have direct links with the Tate brothers. Mister Bisheer said,
Speaker 2: there's a journalist based here in the UK who's a
Speaker 2: representative and looks after the charitable arm for them. He's
Speaker 2: the one who gives us the donations and then we
Speaker 2: do the projects and give them the appropriate feedback. There's
Speaker 2: no ongoing long term funding for one particular project in
Speaker 2: one particular country. That's really weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not normal.
Speaker 2: First off, a journalist is your intermediary. If they'd said
Speaker 2: a lawyer, I'd be like, hey, rich people have like
Speaker 2: a lawyer handled that guid to shit all the time.
Speaker 3: A journalist, My question is, is this the same reportersher
Speaker 3: that fucked with Princess Diana in the UK?
Speaker 2: Basher is the representative from the muscle. The journalist nothing
Speaker 2: to do with that, Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, red red Flag, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I actually have a couple of theories, but I'm not
Speaker 2: going to throw them out on air about who this
Speaker 2: quote unquote journalist might be. But yeah, it's that's weird.
Speaker 2: That's not how this is normally handled.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seems bizarre.
Speaker 2: Seems bizarre, And I should emphasize here that there are
Speaker 2: substantial tax benefits to donating to certain amounts, certain amounts
Speaker 2: to charity, and to an extent, when you're bringing in
Speaker 2: money like this, it does make financial sense to donate.
Speaker 2: The Tates have been doing this for years with the
Speaker 2: money they brought in from sexually trafficking webcam workers. One
Speaker 2: charity they gave to Muslim Hands took donations from the
Speaker 2: Tates for years and sent them video evidence of some
Speaker 2: of the projects they completed, which is a standard thing
Speaker 2: for NGOs to do, right, like, here's some here's some
Speaker 2: video evidence of how your money is helping people. Andrews
Speaker 2: started posting this footage on his website after his arrest,
Speaker 2: which horrified them because this is a real charity and
Speaker 2: they want nothing to do with a pimp. They publicly
Speaker 2: cut ties with the Brothers and asked for all of
Speaker 2: the footage to be removed. But many of the charities
Speaker 2: he claims to have given to, like Human Appeal, denied
Speaker 2: that they received actual donations from the Tates he claims
Speaker 2: to have donated to them, and they're like no, like
Speaker 2: one completely different guy dedicated some money in their names.
Speaker 2: There's another group he claims to have donated to Action
Speaker 2: for Humanity International, who says they did not receive money
Speaker 2: from the TATES, but their Canadian partner organization got eight
Speaker 2: hundred dollars and as soon as the charges were made
Speaker 2: public against the TATES, they returned it. Several larger donations
Speaker 2: were offered by the TATES to their Canadian partner, but
Speaker 2: the charity refused the money because they like googled him
Speaker 2: and were like, oh fuck, we don't need this, We
Speaker 2: don't need this at all. We need your twelve thousand
Speaker 2: dollars Andrew taits gess, well, I think before you're talking
Speaker 2: about like twenty seventeen eighteen where he's like and kind
Speaker 2: of well known and like webcam sex communities, but like
Speaker 2: it might not pull up anything. And you also, the
Speaker 2: thing they noted was that their limit for when they
Speaker 2: would do due diligence on a donation was like fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred and so an eight hundred dollars donation they're just
Speaker 2: not checking on because that's not enough money for them
Speaker 2: to really worry about it, right, which makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: You know, it costs money to do that due diligence. Now, additionally,
Speaker 2: from that unheard article quote, other charities singled out by
Speaker 2: the Tates have simply disappeared. The first video posted on
Speaker 2: the Tape Pledge website was dated to April thirteenth and
Speaker 2: features hundreds of construction workers in Dubai receiving boxes of
Speaker 2: food courtesy of a charity called Life Guided by Light.
Speaker 2: A similar Tobai based food handout, supported by the Tates
Speaker 2: and executed by men wearing Life Guided by Light t shirts,
Speaker 2: was carried out in a car park for Chinese National
Speaker 2: Chemical Engineering vehicles. The workers wore hi vis vests bearing
Speaker 2: the letters C and CEC. Yet what I tried to
Speaker 2: ask Life Guided by Light why it felt necessary to
Speaker 2: feed workers employed by a huge multinational corporation. I discovery
Speaker 2: It seems weird, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but here's it.
Speaker 2: I discovered that the charity's three trustees had dissolved it
Speaker 2: last December, following a year of zero income and zero expenditure.
Speaker 2: Oh God, my guess, because he has ties to debay,
Speaker 2: he goes there. I kind of wonder if maybe there's
Speaker 2: some like he needed to move. He wanted to move
Speaker 2: some money over there. And this was like a weird shit.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it certainly doesn't seem to be real.
Speaker 2: Earlier this year, I showed and this is continuing that
Speaker 2: article from unheard. Earlier this week I showed the Tate
Speaker 2: pledge page to two senior academics with expertise in the
Speaker 2: charity sector. Well neither wanted to be named. One express
Speaker 2: concern over the use of stereotypical images of victims in
Speaker 2: need that are now being heavily criticized by the NGO community.
Speaker 2: The Tate videos, he pointed out, often feature young African
Speaker 2: children expressing delight at being given a plate of food.
Speaker 2: The other added, it seems like a classic case of
Speaker 2: charity washing, trying to bolster a hugely damaged reputation through
Speaker 2: good works. I suspect many charities wouldn't touch the money,
Speaker 2: and again, all of the events suggests it's not a
Speaker 2: lot of money. Sure, one video late on the tape.
Speaker 1: Pledge can't stop grifting.
Speaker 2: No, it's the laziest con though. It's just like, ah,
Speaker 2: this way, this way, because again his audience, he's not
Speaker 2: trying to convince this journalist. He's not trying to convince
Speaker 2: you and me. He's trying to convince fourteen year old
Speaker 2: boys who, probably because of the state of education both
Speaker 2: the UK and the United States, aren't that great at reading.
Speaker 1: No, they're very vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Yeah shit sorry. In one video on the Tape Pledge website,
Speaker 2: Andrew promised to provide full accounts and receipts to prove
Speaker 2: that the money goes directly to charity defeeding children in
Speaker 2: war torn countries. When Steve Bogan asked their US based
Speaker 2: lawyer to see these receipts, he was ignored, as he
Speaker 2: was ignored when he emailed the taps directly. The Bogan
Speaker 2: did a great job on this. It's a very good article.
Speaker 2: Unheard U n H g r D As the website
Speaker 2: was published on the whole charity angle was from the
Speaker 2: jump a cynical ploy for public sympathy. In public Andrew
Speaker 2: blames the matrix for his many prosecutions around the world
Speaker 2: and expresses sublime confidence that he will successfully fight all
Speaker 2: these cases and win them. And I want to add here,
Speaker 2: I considered going back and adding some details about his
Speaker 2: past and childhood that have come out in subsequent publications.
Speaker 2: It just didn't make sense for these episodes because there's
Speaker 2: so much new stuff but I do want to note
Speaker 2: one thing that has come out is that his father,
Speaker 2: the famous chess player, is the guy he gets the
Speaker 2: matrix comparisons from, because his dad was obsessed with the
Speaker 2: matrix and would bring it up constantly to Andrew and Tristan.
Speaker 2: That's something a cut like one of his ansome stuff
Speaker 2: he's had, Like a couple of members of his family
Speaker 2: speak out. So that is apparently where that this is
Speaker 2: not just something he picked up because the right wing
Speaker 2: Internet adopted, which I had assumed because it's just such
Speaker 2: a big thing on the conservative Internet is talking about
Speaker 2: the matrix. So this actually literally does go back to
Speaker 2: his childhood, which I find interesting.
Speaker 4: Is yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the fact that he feels a need to
Speaker 2: I will say, as confident as he expresses being in
Speaker 2: all cases that he's going to win, you know, all
Speaker 2: of these different mental trials. The fact that he would
Speaker 2: do this, this fake charity bullshit, pretend to convert to Islam,
Speaker 2: it does suggest a vulnerability. The fact that he is
Speaker 2: actually worried and that he's also shameless. You wouldn't You
Speaker 2: wouldn't do this if you didn't feel like there was
Speaker 2: some potential protection in it for you.
Speaker 4: Unless you're nervous about potentially losing or something is yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Or not even just losing in a court of law,
Speaker 3: but losing his audience, which I think, which I think
Speaker 3: in a way is you could you could argue that's
Speaker 3: more important to him.
Speaker 2: Well, And there's there's a pretty one of the BBC
Speaker 2: articles interviews like a former kid who actually paid to
Speaker 2: be in you know, the real world and has since
Speaker 2: come out and talked about like the which is one
Speaker 2: of his website platforms where he hustles young men, and
Speaker 2: he said that like the thing that pulled him out
Speaker 2: of it was reading the actual court allegations, which is
Speaker 2: not a common story. It's not easily replicable. But there
Speaker 2: is the fact that these allegations do pull some people
Speaker 2: away from him, right, and it also stops some people
Speaker 2: who might like the fact that this is publicized does
Speaker 2: help keep some people from getting towards him. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a mixed bag because the additional notoriety also helps
Speaker 2: draw people. I don't know entirely how it all shakes
Speaker 2: out like this, This kind of stuff is messy. There's
Speaker 2: not an easy answer here. So when it comes to
Speaker 2: this whole this kind of examples of sort of his
Speaker 2: vulnerability and also how he utilizes this online community he's
Speaker 2: built of young men, and he's got two websites. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about them in more detail in part two. But
Speaker 2: the war room in the real world, the real world
Speaker 2: is like fifty bucks a month. The war room is
Speaker 2: like eight grand a year, plus a lot more to
Speaker 2: be admitted into certain chat rooms, and the real world
Speaker 2: is much bigger, and it kind of exists to funnel
Speaker 2: people upwards. Right, it's kind of both an MLM and
Speaker 2: a cult style thing. Again, we'll talk about it more later.
Speaker 2: But he utilizes this mass of a couple one hundred
Speaker 2: people in the real world in order to act as
Speaker 2: his online army, to amplify his message, to keep him
Speaker 2: going viral, and he attempted to utilize them near the
Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty three to help him get let
Speaker 2: out of like Romanian, I mean, he was I think
Speaker 2: it was like house arrests and using the excuse that
Speaker 2: he needed to visit leave to the United States temporarily
Speaker 2: so he and his brother could see their grandmother before
Speaker 2: she dies. Now, this was transparent bullshit, but it's the
Speaker 2: kind of bullshit that he would only try if he
Speaker 2: was actually frightened of being convicted. Andrew actually launched a
Speaker 2: whole media campaign around his grandma using his subscribers to
Speaker 2: the Real World and members are you know, essentially there
Speaker 2: to be digital servants, right. There's a lot of like,
Speaker 2: you know, they're taught how to do all these different
Speaker 2: online money making scams, affiliate marketing and flooding Amazon with
Speaker 2: AI books. But they're really there to cut together videos
Speaker 2: of Andrew Tait and flood the internet with it. And
Speaker 2: this is what he tried to utilize as a resource
Speaker 2: in a focused way to get this idea that like
Speaker 2: he just wants to visit his grandma to go viral.
Speaker 2: Per an article and Vice quote. Vice News has been
Speaker 2: provided with a screenshot off a message posted on a
Speaker 2: chatboard for the Real World on Saturday by Tate's cousin
Speaker 2: Luke Tate, who acts as a professor on the site.
Speaker 2: The post offered a mounti or reward of unspecified value
Speaker 2: for the subscribers who created the twenty most view video
Speaker 2: posts in support of the campaign to see Grandma Tate.
Speaker 1: What's cousin Tate's expertise?
Speaker 2: He's their cousin?
Speaker 1: Oh tick?
Speaker 4: How many of these fuckers are there.
Speaker 2: I've heard a three so far. I think there may
Speaker 2: be some more involved. Grandmon Tite is sick and dying.
Speaker 2: She can't travel. She wants to see Andrew and Tristan
Speaker 2: before she dies. Read the post. The American Embassy isn't
Speaker 2: helping them make this real. We want the world to
Speaker 2: know about Grandmont Tate's condition and ask the question why
Speaker 2: is this happening to American citizens? The post then instructs
Speaker 2: members again most of these are teenagers to early twenties,
Speaker 2: to create videos using AI, drawing on old clips off
Speaker 2: Tate talking about his grandmother. Dozens of videos followed, but
Speaker 2: none gained much track. In This video, posted the Twitter
Speaker 2: has gotten less than seven hundred views despite being embedded
Speaker 2: in a Vice article. So like this is should be
Speaker 2: one of the higher view videos and like they just
Speaker 2: people don't care about this shit. Look at look at
Speaker 2: this bullshit.
Speaker 5: Tate's grandma is very ill and doesn't have much longer
Speaker 5: on this earth.
Speaker 2: Her last wished to Tate.
Speaker 5: Brothers one last time. I'll explain she cannot travel due
Speaker 5: to her serious illness. However, the American Embassy won't Letrician
Speaker 5: and Andrew visit America, even though the Tate brothers are
Speaker 5: American citizens. Why is America not letting Missus Tate see
Speaker 5: her grandsons while she can. Are they that evil that
Speaker 5: they will restrict a man from seeing his loved ones
Speaker 5: for the final time? Calm in and share to spread
Speaker 5: the news?
Speaker 2: That's it? Cannot say, Tristan.
Speaker 3: Why, Like I don't know, Dane, grandma doesn't really equate
Speaker 3: to you know, a million shirtless Andrew Tate.
Speaker 2: No, No, a lot of shirtless Andrew Tates smoking a
Speaker 2: cigar talking about how his grandma just wants to see him.
Speaker 2: Him petting a dog is in there too. You just
Speaker 2: got to make him look innocent. Speaking of innocent, you
Speaker 2: know who's never committed a crime that I can prove
Speaker 2: in a way that is actionable in court. Our sponsors,
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, honestly, yeah, given some of the people,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to bat for that.
Speaker 1: But don't anyway, we don't approve them all.
Speaker 2: Let's just be done and we're back and we're all
Speaker 2: still innocent of any crimes that I can prove got committed.
Speaker 2: Except for that thing with with Sophie and the FDA
Speaker 2: and Venezuela. It was messy. It was messy. It was messy.
Speaker 4: We don't talk about that on era.
Speaker 2: Who shot who will never know? You know, I don't know, Sophie,
Speaker 2: glad you're healing. Are to all those agents now as
Speaker 2: shallow and sad as this whole fucking gramma taatee bullshit is.
Speaker 2: I have to be honest, It is unclear to me
Speaker 2: whether Andrew or Tristan or anyone around them will ever
Speaker 2: be ultimately convicted and sentenced for anything. Their defense has
Speaker 2: been buttressed by the fact that Romanian prosecutors are not
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly competent, and they are trying right, and there's evidence
Speaker 2: there is like significant civil reform actions within Romania, and
Speaker 2: the fact that the Tates are being charged at all
Speaker 2: is a part of that right. But the die Cut
Speaker 2: prosecutors made a lot of really bush league mistakes, like
Speaker 2: not mistakes that indicate that they're really innocent, but the
Speaker 2: mistakes that are like, yeah, you are going to be
Speaker 2: able to procedurally get stuff dropped if you can afford
Speaker 2: very good lawyers like the Tates can when shit like
Speaker 2: this happens. Right when the indictments first dropped, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of excitement among the kind of people who
Speaker 2: hate Tate will call them most people and if you'll remember,
Speaker 2: a lot of folks convince themselves. Greta Tunberg had posted
Speaker 2: Andrew into prison. The reality is that that had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with anything.
Speaker 1: No, really funny.
Speaker 2: The timing was funny, But the reality is that the
Speaker 2: Tates have been pretty savvy with how they have approached
Speaker 2: their crimes, not master criminal level. There are some dumb mistakes,
Speaker 2: which is why they've gotten in trouble, But the thing
Speaker 2: that they are doing is different enough from traditional like pimping,
Speaker 2: and they're good enough at scaring a lot of these
Speaker 2: women into not wanting to take on the risk of
Speaker 2: openly coming against them that it is not easy to
Speaker 2: convict them, at least in Romania. Right, this is an
Speaker 2: uphill battle. There are signs of this. There were signs
Speaker 2: of this from early on in the court process. The
Speaker 2: length of time between arrest and indictment is unusual, right.
Speaker 2: The fact that they spent months in jail and then
Speaker 2: we're on house arrest and it was still a year
Speaker 2: until they got indicted, that's peculiar. And then in spring
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, after court approved the case to
Speaker 2: finally go to trial. The Tates succeeded in appealing to
Speaker 2: change the indictment. Per the ap quote, The appeals court
Speaker 2: ruled that it identified multiple flaws in the prosecutor's case
Speaker 2: file against the Tates, saying prosecutors had failed to adequately
Speaker 2: explain the charges against Andrew to an alleged female victim,
Speaker 2: and that the charges against the female suspects were not
Speaker 2: properly presented. It said the indictment failed to specify the
Speaker 2: amounts related to the confiscation of assets in the case.
Speaker 2: The court ordered some evidence removed, including witness statements by
Speaker 2: two alleged victims and witness statements made by Andrew and
Speaker 2: Tristan which were deemed and admissible. The court did not
Speaker 2: say why. And you know, there's a number of reasons
Speaker 2: for this, but again it all kind of suggests, well,
Speaker 2: this was sloppier than you'd want it to be, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's the fundamental issue here.
Speaker 3: And they have so much money to pay, and they
Speaker 3: have money to pay for legal advice, and yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's sad because most of that money comes from them manipulating.
Speaker 2: Comes from them fourteen year boy and abusing women.
Speaker 3: Right, It's like there are all the violence money is
Speaker 3: going to the Andrew and Tristan table.
Speaker 1: Well, it's their fence fund.
Speaker 2: And more than that, when they traffic, when they have
Speaker 2: these women working for them on cameras, they're taking basically
Speaker 2: everything they earn, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, money is going straight to them.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's so they have money for these and
Speaker 2: it's also obviously reason the different subscription fees. I think
Speaker 2: that is now now he started making his money through
Speaker 2: the can business, I don't know that that's any meaningful
Speaker 2: chunk of his income now. I think it is all
Speaker 2: from this this platform that he's built, right, I think
Speaker 2: that's where it takes money comes from these days. But
Speaker 2: you know, it is. It's one of those things. What
Speaker 2: having a good lawyer tends to mean in cases like
Speaker 2: this isn't that they're better at proving your innocent. It's
Speaker 2: that there's all sorts of things that if they're not
Speaker 2: done perfectly by both the police and by the prosecutors,
Speaker 2: a lawyer who really knows their shit can drag out
Speaker 2: a case and can and like, that's why you want
Speaker 2: to have a good lawyer. And this is also how
Speaker 2: people who are being harassed unjustly by law enforcement get off.
Speaker 2: But in this case, the Tates have a lot of
Speaker 2: ammunition on their side, especially given how sloppy things have
Speaker 2: been done in Romania. I don't think a UK case
Speaker 2: would go nearly this well against them. But it's also
Speaker 2: unclear to me. Romanias said they will extradite, but he
Speaker 2: is now allowed to move around the world as we're
Speaker 2: talk about, so I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: In August, though, prosecutors in Romania announced a new investigation
Speaker 2: separate to the other one ongoing that just had the
Speaker 2: indictment changed. They executed four additional search warrants against different
Speaker 2: properties while investigating new allegations of human trafficking and money laundering.
Speaker 2: But a few months later, in the fall winter of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, prosecutors had to rework their indictment after
Speaker 2: the court announced issues over the evidence and aspects of
Speaker 2: how the case had been approached. Despite this, in December
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, the Bucharest Court of Appeals decided
Speaker 2: the indictment against the Tates did not meet the requirements
Speaker 2: for the case to go to trial. They claimed there
Speaker 2: were issues in quote, the manner of presenting the facts
Speaker 2: and describing the constituent elements in the case, and that
Speaker 2: Andrew's right to defense had been violated. They didn't get
Speaker 2: all their way in Q four that same month, the
Speaker 2: same month that their case was sent back to prosecutors
Speaker 2: in Romania, a British court ruled that more than two
Speaker 2: million pounds of their frozen assets would be forfeited as
Speaker 2: the brothers had obviously committed tax evasion. They're accused at
Speaker 2: present of not paying taxes on some twenty one million
Speaker 2: pounds on from two thousand and from twenty fourteen to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: God, that's so much. Fuck it, it's so.
Speaker 2: Much fucking money. It's really it's really quite frustrating. Andrew
Speaker 2: described these charges, which included money laundering, as quote a
Speaker 2: coordinated attack on anyone who dares to challenge the system,
Speaker 2: the system of paying your taxes. Now. The Taits had
Speaker 2: been released from their strict house arrest conditions near the
Speaker 2: end of summer twenty twenty four, and this had started
Speaker 2: the timer on a probationary period after which they would
Speaker 2: be eligible to leave Romania. Right this was not really
Speaker 2: surprising that they ultimately were, because once they were released
Speaker 2: from their house arrest conditions, near the end of that summer,
Speaker 2: like there was kind of like a ticking clock going
Speaker 2: on when they'd get to travel. Ultimately, in late February
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, the brothers received clearance from a
Speaker 2: Romanian judge to leave the country Pere. The Guardian authorities
Speaker 2: in Romania said prosecutors had approved the brother's request to
Speaker 2: travel the Anti Organized Crime Unit. Diecott said the pair
Speaker 2: remained under the judicial supervision and would have to appear
Speaker 2: before the judicial authorities at every summons. It added that
Speaker 2: any violation may lead to a higher custodial measure. And
Speaker 2: so this is kind of like going out getting out
Speaker 2: on bail, right, you're allowed except for they're allowed to
Speaker 2: travel internationally, but you know, I guess Romania is different.
Speaker 2: But they are allowed. They do have to come back
Speaker 2: when asked, but they are allowed to go, and they
Speaker 2: very quickly did.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you've explained it this week because I
Speaker 3: remember when this happened and they showed up and I
Speaker 3: think it was Florida. Everybody was like, how the fuck
Speaker 3: is this allowed to happen, And you know, it just
Speaker 3: seems like just a system not so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just it's and it's certainly very different, right, sure,
Speaker 2: and that's that's the way it works.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: They immediately bore today gulf Stream aircraft, which Andrew called
Speaker 2: Tate Force one. It is unclear to me if they
Speaker 2: own this or are renting it, because they have talked
Speaker 2: about I'm going to guess they've talked. Yeah, they have
Speaker 2: talked to other times about how we had to pay
Speaker 2: like one hundred and eighty five grand to fly back
Speaker 2: to Romania to sign this paper. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: so does that is that just the fuel costs or
Speaker 2: does that mean that, like, you're renting this fucker? Unclear
Speaker 2: to me. There was immediate speculation that Trump had pressured
Speaker 2: the Romanian government on Tate's behalf. Most people I have
Speaker 2: encountered seem to just take this as established fact that
Speaker 2: like Trump intervened, and this was certainly the initial discourse
Speaker 2: around it, like, oh, now he's going to get off
Speaker 2: because Trump is intervened on his behalf. The Republicans are
Speaker 2: going to help him because they love him. I don't
Speaker 2: know that this is the case, and in fact, I
Speaker 2: think the preponderance of evidence suggests that it may not be.
Speaker 2: For his part, Trump has denied knowing anything about their release,
Speaker 2: and you know, you shouldn't trust anything that Trump says.
Speaker 1: It's a famous truth teller.
Speaker 2: Famous famously not a truth teller. However, Trump is not
Speaker 2: the kind of guy who would encounter Tait organically because
Speaker 2: Tate is kind of like not his style of gross.
Speaker 2: He likes used car dealers, he likes financial scammers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate is a literal pimp. He's just like a
Speaker 2: like a literal pimp. And that's that's really not Trump's
Speaker 2: brand of guy to associate with super publicly. And Trump
Speaker 2: has not made any point of reaching out to Taate
Speaker 2: or directly embracing him, even though Andrew has been a
Speaker 2: major Trump supporter four years. It is also possible, and
Speaker 2: obviously there are a lot of people who really like
Speaker 2: Tate within the Trump administration, a lot of very young,
Speaker 2: you know, groyper style online misogynist freaks that are in
Speaker 2: the administration that are endged gross. Yeah, it's possible that
Speaker 2: some of them pulled strings for him, but it's not
Speaker 2: clear that this is what happened. There are rumors of this,
Speaker 2: but when I track them down, the rumors that it
Speaker 2: was the Trump administration that pressured Romania to let him
Speaker 2: leave come down entirely to the lawyer representing the women
Speaker 2: who have accused Tate of sexual assault. Back in the UK,
Speaker 2: that lawyer claimed that the Trump administration is quote interfering
Speaker 2: in due process and argued that Trump's election was why
Speaker 2: the brothers felt like they would be safe in returning
Speaker 2: back to the United States. And I think that I
Speaker 2: don't see I don't know that there's evidence. I can't
Speaker 2: prove it that the Trump administration interfered to make this happen. However,
Speaker 2: I do think it's probably correct that Trump's election made
Speaker 2: them feel like maybe we'll be safe in the eye
Speaker 2: for shates, right, Like, I don't think that that part
Speaker 2: is untrue, but I can't prove the first part, and
Speaker 2: there's some evidence against it. That said, like a lot
Speaker 2: of scumbags. Andrew and Tristan felt emboldened by the resurgence
Speaker 2: of the far right in US politics and Trump's victory,
Speaker 2: especially since anti women and anti woke influencers were a
Speaker 2: key part of Trump's election strategy and Tate has rebranded
Speaker 2: himself a lot as an anti woke influencer. It is
Speaker 2: possible that them feeling like they would be welcome in
Speaker 2: the US in this new era. Was a miscalculation because
Speaker 2: while Andrew was a prominent figure to a lot of
Speaker 2: young people on the far right, he is not a
Speaker 2: respectable political figure even in the context of the present
Speaker 2: US system. I'm not one hundred percent sure why guys
Speaker 2: like Joe Rogan can get away with having holocaust and
Speaker 2: iires on their podcast Doje has multiple young men in
Speaker 2: it who we know were members of a far right
Speaker 2: extremist groups online that trade child porn and try to
Speaker 2: harass people into suicide. But there is something about Tate
Speaker 2: that feels gross even for today's Republican party, and as
Speaker 2: shocking as it seems, elected Republicans have not given Tate
Speaker 2: a consistently warm welcome at home. As soon as so many.
Speaker 3: Different right wing influencers were mentioned when we went to
Speaker 3: the RNC, Tate was not.
Speaker 2: Even wis here, was not hard debate, No, and you
Speaker 2: get the feeling that maybe he's still I don't know
Speaker 2: if it'll stay this way, but a bridge too far
Speaker 2: and for whatever value this has. The second he landed
Speaker 2: in Florida, Governor Ron De Santis made a state to
Speaker 2: reporters saying Florida is not a place where you're welcome
Speaker 2: with that kind of conduct. And what's really shocking was
Speaker 2: that this was not one hundred percent talk, because as
Speaker 2: soon as DeSantis made this statement, the Attorney General of
Speaker 2: Florida announced a criminal probe with the goal of determining
Speaker 2: whether Florida had any jurisdiction to hold the Tates accountable
Speaker 2: for their alleged crimes. It is worth noting that at
Speaker 2: the time this happened, per the AP quote, the Tampa
Speaker 2: Bay Young Republicans Club formally invited Andrew Tate to speak
Speaker 2: to their group as free speed absolutists. The Tates haven't
Speaker 2: been formally convicted of any crimes and are welcome to
Speaker 2: speak to our group. The post reads, We're old enough
Speaker 2: to remember when an asterisk convicted felon asterisk won the presidency,
Speaker 2: and you know so again, I'm not saying he's been
Speaker 2: rejected by the right. I'm saying that there's a lot
Speaker 2: quite a few elected leaders on the right who have
Speaker 2: don't really like this guy and have even been willing
Speaker 2: to take some action against it, which is maybe surprising,
Speaker 2: but also maybe just to sign that like, this is
Speaker 2: not a guy they really want to be associated with, right.
Speaker 4: Yea, it's too extreme for even then.
Speaker 2: Too extreme or they just don't like him personally, right,
Speaker 2: he's a gross dickhead. Yeah yeah, even Ron DeSantis may
Speaker 2: have some standards. I guess we found him why.
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's one of his things that like
Speaker 3: not he does not like what Tate does.
Speaker 1: Like, no, that's what which like you.
Speaker 2: Know, he's a sex trafficker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, bare minimum Ron, But and.
Speaker 2: He brags about being a sex trafficker, which is like
Speaker 2: that you could be a sex trafficker and in good
Speaker 2: with elected Republicans, but you have to lie about it.
Speaker 2: So there is a specific segment of conservative media who
Speaker 2: have no issues being affiliated with the Tates. Obviously, Aidan
Speaker 2: Ross was photographed in film partying with him at a
Speaker 2: club in Miami. When interviewed by a reporter about the
Speaker 2: probe by the Florida Attorney General, he said, we live
Speaker 2: in a democratic society where it's innocent until proven guilty,
Speaker 2: and I think my brother and I are largely misunderstood.
Speaker 2: Tit and Tristan attended several UFC fights in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: Dana White really close to Trump though, because Dana White exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 4: Like the Nelk Boys and all that stuff, Trump was
Speaker 4: on their podcasts in the election cycle, like there it.
Speaker 2: Is and that's that's that's where we're getting kind of like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, because Dana White, again, the UFC president
Speaker 2: and CEO, very close to Trump, was helped introduce Trump
Speaker 2: at the r n C. Yeah, shook hand with it
Speaker 2: was it was seen shaking hands with the brothers and
Speaker 2: hugging them and saying on video, welcome to the States. Boys.
Speaker 2: There are also some folks who have gone back and
Speaker 2: forth on the taps. James Kennedy, a star from vander
Speaker 2: Pump Rules, he was.
Speaker 1: Just arrested for domestic violence.
Speaker 2: So great guy, great guy, saying even that guy. He
Speaker 2: was seen at a vip P bar during one of
Speaker 2: these Vegas UFC events hanging out with Andrew and Tristan
Speaker 2: and posted the photo on his Instagram and the backlash
Speaker 2: was severe enough that he like deleted it, and Apolo
Speaker 2: just saying I was unfamiliar with their content and the
Speaker 2: allegations against them. I only knew them as podcasters who
Speaker 2: had boasted a viral clip about vander Pump. I have
Speaker 2: since educated myself and condemned their beliefs.
Speaker 4: Oh god, and you really trying to pull I was unfamiliar.
Speaker 2: With I was, I'm familiar with them. I thought they
Speaker 2: were podcasters. Yeah, so it's it's they're in this really
Speaker 2: weird spot where it's like kind of uneven where some
Speaker 2: people are willing to double down on being like, no,
Speaker 2: they haven't been convicted. I love them and fuckuld the
Speaker 2: vander Pump guys like, oh no, I had no idea
Speaker 2: very peculiar situation. It is a little hard for me
Speaker 2: to parss out the precise dimensions of what's going on
Speaker 2: here now. The Taps themselves have filed a defamation lawsuit
Speaker 2: in Palm Beach Circuit Court back in two thousand and
Speaker 2: three against the women who accused them of keeping against
Speaker 2: the woman who accused them of keeping their prisoner and
Speaker 2: their compound in Romania. This was one of the things
Speaker 2: that led to, you know, the investigations and everything against them.
Speaker 2: They've sought a restraining order against her as well. Tate
Speaker 2: returned to Romania in March, spending he claims, one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty five thousand dollars in a private jet for
Speaker 2: the flight. This was essentially him fulfilling the conditions of
Speaker 2: his release, which required that he returned when summoned by
Speaker 2: the court. In a post before his return, Tate said
Speaker 2: to Twitter, innocent men don't run all caps. They clear
Speaker 2: their name in court.
Speaker 1: Just imagine what.
Speaker 3: Would happen if he like flew domestic. I just I'm
Speaker 3: so curious about how oh yeah people noticed him.
Speaker 1: What would happen?
Speaker 2: No, there's no way he's ever going to fly domestic absolutely.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: So, uh, you know whatever, brow like, stop complaining about
Speaker 3: the money you have to spend, your fucking predator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, if you can't afford a private jet
Speaker 2: to fly to Romania to.
Speaker 1: Do you really conditions of your really talk to you.
Speaker 3: If you can't afford a private if you can afford
Speaker 3: to rent a PJ for your well, for all your crime.
Speaker 2: One way to afford that private jet is to save
Speaker 2: money by buying products and services that support this podcast.
Speaker 2: You know it was thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Proud of myself, proud of you, Robert.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're back and we're talking about how the real
Speaker 2: way to make Andrew Tate style money. It's so funny
Speaker 2: to me that, like the core of his fortune is
Speaker 2: all in like promising dumb teenage boys that he knows
Speaker 2: how to make them rich so they can escape the
Speaker 2: fucked up economy that we've all been left with, the
Speaker 2: fucked up planet that's going to make it harder and
Speaker 2: harder to survive. Like his job is like grifting off
Speaker 2: the fact that people are desperate because any chance at
Speaker 2: actually getting ahead in the world has been like strangled
Speaker 2: in the fucking crib by the people who these the
Speaker 2: ghouls who run everything. And his job is just grifting
Speaker 2: off that, that desperate hope and that failure to realize
Speaker 2: who the actual people with their boots on their neck are, right,
Speaker 2: he's just kind of dancing around the boot being like,
Speaker 2: I can help you out from one of that boot.
Speaker 2: Govnor you know that's my Andrew Tate accent close enough,
Speaker 2: close enough, right. So, as we stated last time Tate
Speaker 2: did return in March to Romania, he signed those papers.
Speaker 2: We'll see how things in Romania go. That said, as
Speaker 2: that case has, you know, stuttered and started and stopped
Speaker 2: and started again, he has continued to accumulate criminal charges
Speaker 2: and investigations at what I can only describe as a
Speaker 2: Trumpian rate.
Speaker 4: Several days ago, like Pokemon.
Speaker 2: He's collecting them like Pokemon cards. So he flies back
Speaker 2: in late February to the United States, right re enters
Speaker 2: the country parties of Florida. Some On April fifth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, NBC News published an article about several people
Speaker 2: being sued by the Tates who'd filed in Palm Beach
Speaker 2: to pause civil defamation cases against them until the United
Speaker 2: States federal investigation and or prosecution by the DOJ in
Speaker 2: the Southern District of New York of andrew In Tristan
Speaker 2: has concluded now that has been seen as evidence by
Speaker 2: a lot of people that since he's landed, both the
Speaker 2: Feds and the Southern District, and the Southern District does
Speaker 2: a lot of this kind of high profile shit. They did.
Speaker 2: They were responsible for one of the big prosecutions against Trump.
Speaker 2: They went after Harvey Weinstein, right like, this is what
Speaker 2: the Southern District does. So it's very, very not surprising
Speaker 2: that the Southern District is going after them, but there
Speaker 2: had not been previous confirmation of that or that there
Speaker 2: is an ongoing federal investigation, which is really interesting to
Speaker 2: me as we kind of debate to what extent are
Speaker 2: the Republicans in the tank for this guy. Right, So
Speaker 2: that does suggest the fact that their lawyer tried this,
Speaker 2: that there are investigations going on. It is not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent clear if that is the case, but it
Speaker 2: really seems likely right now. Okay, so if you're keeping track,
Speaker 2: Andrew was back in a few weeks in the US
Speaker 2: for a few weeks, but in that short time he
Speaker 2: managed to both you know, get to a federal and
Speaker 2: a Southern district investigation started against him, and he has
Speaker 2: racked up another serious alley gation of physical and sexual violence.
Speaker 2: His ex girlfriend, Brianna Stern, accused him of sexual battery
Speaker 2: in a Los Angeles hotel room within days of his
Speaker 2: return to the country. The two had met. Yeah this
Speaker 2: and this is like again right after he gets back
Speaker 2: to the United States, right like almost like, let me
Speaker 2: do some abuse right when I get let me go
Speaker 2: to a fucking LA hotel room and beat up my girlfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just like allegedly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the right wing talks all about people
Speaker 3: coming into this country and harming women, blah blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. Right, it's been for four seconds.
Speaker 2: He's a citizen though, It's fine.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Yeah, I forgot. That makes it okay.
Speaker 2: We're all good, baby, We're.
Speaker 1: All good with domestic domestic violence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fuck. Stern and Tate had met in July
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four after the brothers invited her to
Speaker 2: their Romanian compound because, per the AP, they were looking
Speaker 2: for models to help promote their cryptocurrency Meme Cooi. She
Speaker 2: said that he convinced her the media portrayals of him
Speaker 2: were untrue and that he was actually a supporter of women.
Speaker 2: It seemed like a dream come true, she said in
Speaker 2: the complaint. And I'm not going to like pile on
Speaker 2: Stern here, but like, yeah, maybe you don't. We really
Speaker 2: need to teach more critical thinking in school. I guess
Speaker 2: I don't know what the solution is here A supporter
Speaker 2: of women. Yeah, there's like audio of this guy talking
Speaker 2: about what. Yeah, we'll talk about some of the audio
Speaker 2: that exists. I know.
Speaker 3: But if you don't want to believe the thing, it's
Speaker 3: really easy not to.
Speaker 2: That's that is being a person. Yeah. After she returned
Speaker 2: to the US, Tate's communications became threatening and manipulative, including
Speaker 2: calling her his property. Stern age he sent yeah what
Speaker 2: a g He sent messages saying he wanted to beat
Speaker 2: and impregnate her, telling her you have an attitude because
Speaker 2: you're not hit enough, he once set wrote. According to
Speaker 2: the complaint, Tate's lawyer has alleged that the messages were doctored, edited,
Speaker 2: and falsified. Stern also alleges that when they were both
Speaker 2: in that hotel together, Andrew beat and choked her during
Speaker 2: sex and repeatedly promised that if she crossed him he
Speaker 2: would kill her. At this point, this is just a
Speaker 2: criminal complaint. It is unclear to me where this is
Speaker 2: going to end, if there are going to be like
Speaker 2: charges and stuff like that. I do think that it
Speaker 2: is worth sharing a statement Stern made after the complaint
Speaker 2: was made public. I considered many times just silently leaving
Speaker 2: Andrew and saying nothing, doing nothing because I was scared
Speaker 2: and because it was honestly hard for me to accept
Speaker 2: that I was being abused. But I can see that
Speaker 2: now that approach, that doing so would be the cowardly approach.
Speaker 2: And that is again one of the reasons why he's
Speaker 2: gotten away with it, is that he scares people, and
Speaker 2: they don't want to deal with his incredibly weaponized fan base,
Speaker 2: and they don't want to deal they're also afraid of
Speaker 2: him personally, And yeah, it does take a lot of courage,
Speaker 2: no matter what decisions may have led you there to
Speaker 2: choose to actually go for boor against this guy. Right, So,
Speaker 2: way I do applaud her for that is now easy.
Speaker 2: You're painting it, especially in the current political climate. You know,
Speaker 2: painting a target on your back takes a lot of courage.
Speaker 3: One thousand dollars, She's going to be just ridiculed online
Speaker 3: by the worst of the worst.
Speaker 2: And it's and her name, it's with her name attached, right,
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the accusers, rightfully are are anonymous,
Speaker 2: and she is not, which makes it a lot harder
Speaker 2: and makes this a lot braver now right as well.
Speaker 2: While all this was happening, the AP published another article
Speaker 2: with a simple title, Andrew Tate lands in Dubai calls
Speaker 2: UK case politically motivated. He was there to do what
Speaker 2: rich evilmen do in Dubai, and his arrival there sparked
Speaker 2: fears among UK politicians that he might remain in the
Speaker 2: Emirates to avoid justice. Labor MP Emily Darlington wrote to
Speaker 2: the Home Secretary to beg the government to prevent the
Speaker 2: Tate brothers from evading trial by fleeing to other countries.
Speaker 2: Tate responded on Twitter with this, I've made it to
Speaker 2: Dubai just fine.
Speaker 5: Thanks.
Speaker 2: He claimed that the Romanian authorities have informed him that
Speaker 2: the case against him in Romania was started by the
Speaker 2: UK Foreign Office to get me off the Internet. And
Speaker 2: we will see where all of that goes. But I
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to conclude by talking about a little
Speaker 2: bit aspect of Tate's personality that we didn't get into
Speaker 2: enough in the previous episodes, but that I think is
Speaker 2: really important to put together here. Andrew Tait absolutely needs
Speaker 2: you to believe that he is a dangerous man, right
Speaker 2: he is in the sense that he hurts a lot
Speaker 2: of people, and he spreads toxic propaganda, and he has
Speaker 2: a lot of fame, and fame can make you dangerous
Speaker 2: to other people, right, so can money. But he also
Speaker 2: needs you to believe that he is a John Wick
Speaker 2: kind of warrior in real life, and he simply isn't
Speaker 2: We discussed in the earlier episodes that his kickboxing career
Speaker 2: is massively inflated. He was an okay professional, but experts
Speaker 2: will always tell you he had an eminently forgettable record,
Speaker 2: right He primarily picked fights that were easy for the
Speaker 2: purpose of getting a record that looked good on paper.
Speaker 2: But there is absolutely nothing special about his record as
Speaker 2: a kickboxer, and even the fact that he has a
Speaker 2: quote unquote reputation as a professional kickboxer isn't enough for him.
Speaker 2: And he constantly posts videos of in tweets of himself
Speaker 2: with we happens his favorite for whatever reason, probably because
Speaker 2: he's part British, being an incredibly shitty machete one of
Speaker 2: the worst machetes I've ever seen. Now, look, I'm going
Speaker 2: to avoid playing too many extended clips of the motherfucker,
Speaker 2: but I think you need to see this and it'll
Speaker 2: help get everyone in the proper mood. So here is.
Speaker 2: Here's a video simply called on YouTube Andrew Taate Machete
Speaker 2: women self defense.
Speaker 5: It's really not weird.
Speaker 2: I think ahead, motherfucker.
Speaker 6: I've been sitting next Monday. In fact, there's at least
Speaker 6: one depending on the room, and he won.
Speaker 2: And he's laying in bed waving a machete.
Speaker 6: Any room I'm in in my house, I can. I
Speaker 6: can produce a weapon.
Speaker 5: Good.
Speaker 6: You need to think long and hard about why yourself,
Speaker 6: little pussy. So some dude, someone pussy dude once said
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was next to bed. What if you
Speaker 4: like ups girls?
Speaker 5: She suches you t gets.
Speaker 2: Boy.
Speaker 6: There's no female alive, even with a machete, that would
Speaker 6: stand a chance against the immense power I possess. Have
Speaker 6: you ever seen a woman try do anything competently? If
Speaker 6: I picked this off right fucking but on my left hand,
Speaker 6: I'm still like, jab, I fucking swing low, take a
Speaker 6: fucking knee out. You're gonna see it coming. What a
Speaker 6: woman do?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He looks like a yeah insect.
Speaker 2: He's he's waving again. He's waving a machete like a
Speaker 2: guy who's never used one for anything. It looks like
Speaker 2: a really shitty fuck it is shit machine. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: talk at linked about how shitty this machete is because
Speaker 2: I'm a man who likes his machetes. Right. I like
Speaker 2: large I enjoy using large knights in general, like the
Speaker 2: aesthetics of them, three in every room, in part because
Speaker 2: they're not a good weapon. You know what a good
Speaker 2: weapon is a fucking gun. But they are a really
Speaker 2: good tool. I used them. I used them just last weekend.
Speaker 2: I had to process a bunch of firewood when I
Speaker 2: was at camping. I've used them bushwhacking through thick brush.
Speaker 2: I've used them to repeatedly sever the heads of mid
Speaker 2: sized mammals when I'm slaughtering animals or processing roadkill because
Speaker 2: in Oregon, if you harvest roadkill, you have to turn
Speaker 2: the head into the state. Right. So I have a
Speaker 2: lot of experience using a wide variety of different large
Speaker 2: knives for the things that they are useful for. Right.
Speaker 2: The point is that I know what makes these tools
Speaker 2: useful and not, And in my opinion, Andrew is showing
Speaker 2: off among the shittiest machetes I have ever seen. To
Speaker 2: describe it for our listeners, right, it has a blade
Speaker 2: in the front and then a saw on the back,
Speaker 2: and then also in the middle of the blade, there
Speaker 2: are a bunch of rectangular cuts in the middle where
Speaker 2: there's no metal, just squares. I think I've seen this.
Speaker 2: I've seen several Machete Survival branded machetes like this where
Speaker 2: it's like it makes it lighter, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it also makes it weaker, makes it a lot
Speaker 2: easier to break if you're using it for any of
Speaker 2: the tool purposes you want a machete for stuff gets
Speaker 2: caught in there. It's not something you want on a
Speaker 2: good solid tool. The other been thing about this is
Speaker 2: the fucking saw blade in the back. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you this right now, folks. There are certain times when
Speaker 2: combining a number of tools makes sense. A multi tool,
Speaker 2: right because it's small and it fits in your pocket,
Speaker 2: and there are a number of things and there's really
Speaker 2: no other way to have. But you would never choose
Speaker 2: to use the screwdriver on a multi tool over a
Speaker 2: full size screwl driver, or the saw blade on a
Speaker 2: multitool exact over a full size saw blade. But at
Speaker 2: least you can pop out the saw blade. When I
Speaker 2: processed a deer last year, I popped at the saw
Speaker 2: blade on my multi toool to carve the cut through
Speaker 2: the sternum, right, Like, there's a like a use for
Speaker 2: that kind of a thing. There is not a use
Speaker 2: for a saw blade on the back of a machete
Speaker 2: like this because it has a blade on both ends.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do to how are you
Speaker 2: going to get the Are you gonna grip the edge
Speaker 2: of the front of the machete in order.
Speaker 4: To saw Is that what you're going to do?
Speaker 2: How are you going to hold what is the utility?
Speaker 2: And a saw blade not a great weapon? Right, And
Speaker 2: again there's this attitude again very errant, brought to us
Speaker 2: by a lot of movies that like knives and long knives,
Speaker 2: that like the way there's like arts to fighting with them,
Speaker 2: and there are some like martial arts around knife fighting.
Speaker 2: They are primarily for how they look and showing off.
Speaker 2: If you look at how ninety nine percent of quote
Speaker 2: unquote knife fights go, somebody with a blade literally throws
Speaker 2: their body into the other person and stabs them fifty
Speaker 2: to one hundred fucking times until they bleed out. That's
Speaker 2: how people kill each other with fucking knives a lot
Speaker 2: of the time.
Speaker 5: Right. It is not.
Speaker 2: It is not a an artisan's weapon. It is an
Speaker 2: and both people usually wind up hideously cut. That is
Speaker 2: how knives work as weapons. That is why you don't
Speaker 2: want to rely on a knife as a weapon. They're
Speaker 2: not a good survival weapon. Right. They're great as tools,
Speaker 2: but not the one that he has. It's a dog
Speaker 2: shit tool. It's a tool for a fucking idiot. And
Speaker 2: the only reason he is posing with this is not
Speaker 2: because he trusts it to protect himself. Cool to children, right,
Speaker 2: he went to children, and he has I've seen multiple videos,
Speaker 2: he claims, I have three in every room. I have
Speaker 2: seen this exact same machete and several different tape videos.
Speaker 2: It's always carefully posed, so you know it's there because
Speaker 2: Andrew desperately needs fourteen year old boys to believe that
Speaker 2: he's scary. Here's a photo, so he's going to show you.
Speaker 2: I him sitting up in bed wearing sunglasses for some reason, shitless,
Speaker 2: an unsheathed machete lying next to him over on the bed,
Speaker 2: just on the bed.
Speaker 3: And it makes very shitty fucking headboard in a shitty
Speaker 3: fucking bedding, and his shitty fucking shirt lits his body
Speaker 3: mary a machette, shitty fucking sunglasses, shitty fucking side table,
Speaker 3: new shitty fucking curtains.
Speaker 1: And a shitty fucking lighting and a shitty fucking existence. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 2: His primary audience is children. These are boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just like he was like a woman
Speaker 4: with a machete. I could think she couldn't do anything
Speaker 4: to me, Like I would like to take the chance.
Speaker 2: Man, take the chance, because you know what the thing
Speaker 2: about a knife is, if you get cut in the
Speaker 2: wrong place. It doesn't matter how big your muscles are, right,
Speaker 2: it doesn't exactly that's what that's what weapons do, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know they're scary. Knives are scary, don't.
Speaker 4: Versus a pissed off woman with a machete, like I
Speaker 4: would like to see that.
Speaker 2: Well, And just like, it's not the machete that's the
Speaker 2: most dangerous weapon. It's somebody who has like that fucking
Speaker 2: three or four inch blade concealed and they're next to you,
Speaker 2: and you turn your back and grab a drink and
Speaker 2: she jams you in the kidney eleven times. You know
Speaker 2: you're done, Like then you're fucking bleeding. Maybe you live,
Speaker 2: but you don't live. Well. Knives are scary, so again,
Speaker 2: shit like this, This is to impress little boys in
Speaker 2: primary school or secondary school whose primary knowledge of knives
Speaker 2: comes from fucking cartoons and action figures in comic books. Right.
Speaker 2: What I see here is a guy who bought a
Speaker 2: machete because he wanted purchased one that he thought was
Speaker 2: likely is to impress thirteen year old boys, right, But
Speaker 2: I should note that it's not just little boys that
Speaker 2: he is trying to impress. There is a secondary concern
Speaker 2: tied for that in his mind when he does stuff
Speaker 2: like this, and the secondary concern is much scarier. Will
Speaker 2: this this weapon? These things? I'm saying this way, I'm
Speaker 2: posing will this scare the mostly teenaged eighteen to nineteen
Speaker 2: year old and very young adult girls in their early
Speaker 2: twenties that I pick up in clubs and then later
Speaker 2: allegedly coerced into doing on camera sex work. Right. That
Speaker 2: is the second simultaneous reason that he does this because,
Speaker 2: as those allegations in the UK show, he needs a
Speaker 2: lot of what he does is based on them thinking
Speaker 2: he's dangerous. I'm gonna play you a video here where
Speaker 2: Tate answers the question. I mean a second video, right,
Speaker 2: like we just played that first one. This is a
Speaker 2: video of him giving a speech to some of the
Speaker 2: war room guys being asked like, yeah, what if a
Speaker 2: woman catches you cheating?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: And this is fairly famous. You've seen it on a
Speaker 2: lot of coverage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen it, yes, yeah, yah, yahdeo before. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's watch it. Yep, wait, yep, you've seen it before.
Speaker 3: Trust Yeah, I'm sure I have.
Speaker 4: Why is this tongue out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Stress, stress, unpleasant, away, unpleasant?
Speaker 4: You cut there you're cuting.
Speaker 6: It's bang out the machete, boom in her face, you.
Speaker 2: Rip her up by the neck, the shaw bitch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And now I will say I will say this is
Speaker 2: evidence that he owns a second machete, because that is
Speaker 2: a different machete and it doesn't have holes in it.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 4: But it also looks like it's from t Mouyah.
Speaker 2: Also, it looks like it's from Timu maybe bud k. Right. Again,
Speaker 2: the purpose of these weapons, of all of his posing
Speaker 2: with weapons, of all his threats about his power is
Speaker 2: to scare very young people or impress very young people, right,
Speaker 2: because those are the folks who don't have the life
Speaker 2: experience or the support to recognize or have any sort
Speaker 2: of like way to feel like they can defend themselves
Speaker 2: against him. Or you know, they're little boys who think
Speaker 2: he looks like a comic book character and that's what
Speaker 2: they want to be, right. Those are the those are
Speaker 2: his audience.
Speaker 1: His tongue is a discussed I mean, everything about him
Speaker 1: just gives me.
Speaker 2: Anyways, that's part one of our Andrew Tay updates. I
Speaker 2: hope you're all having fun that we will be back
Speaker 2: to talk about his real weapons, the actual thing weapons,
Speaker 2: the only actual weapons I've seen him wiel competently, which
Speaker 2: is his his digital platform and his fame, which he
Speaker 2: is unfortunately quite good at.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, and you have anything you want to plug, uh,
Speaker 2: listen to sixteenth minute by Jamie Loftus.
Speaker 4: It's a great show. I may or may not work
Speaker 4: on it, and it's a good time. I do work.
Speaker 1: Editor of that podcast.
Speaker 4: And listen to Hood Politics. Prop is doing great work
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Check out Hood Politics, check out anything else on
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