WEBVTT - Part One: What's New With Andrew Tate? 

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very important. We have to traumatize a woman in

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<v Speaker 2>order to truly give everyone the Andrew Tate experience. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>just open the episodes with that. Everyone will love that. Sophie,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to being on camera.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally back up in my office. I can finally walk

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<v Speaker 1>back up the stairs.

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<v Speaker 3>And half the plants up here did not survive the surgery,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm really really really based about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, a lot of people don't survive surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck if you're going into surgery. Jesus know I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having a horrible, horrible introductions this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus, you do kind of look like a poet today.

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<v Speaker 1>You're giving poets, Sophie.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a poet, thank you very much. A poet

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<v Speaker 2>of people who really suck ass. That's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>poet I am, much like Yeats.

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<v Speaker 3>I really, I really don't like when you're mean to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm just I'm just I'm just watching that falcon,

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<v Speaker 2>unable to hear the falcon here, gyres are widening all

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<v Speaker 2>that good ship.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I'm just handing out treats to my dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like when somebody is mean to one of

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<v Speaker 3>my dogs. I can't stomach it. It's not all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Ian's here.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Ian, Hi Ian. How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome. I'm pretty good walking into us being weird.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm afraid of what I'm about to hear for the

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<v Speaker 4>next hour or so, but you know what, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Goodness. You should be, We all should be, because today

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<v Speaker 2>we're finally giving you an update on Andrew Tait and

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Uptate. I hate every time I say that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I still keep saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you set me multiple files.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did well because I edited it when some

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<v Speaker 2>new ship came out, because stuff keeps happy. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>know about this motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 1>He really sent you some horrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you sent me a thing right as I was

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<v Speaker 2>finishing this, and I was like, great, now I have

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<v Speaker 2>to go back into the fucking file on my you

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<v Speaker 2>know day that I'm relaxing.

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<v Speaker 4>Between the last episodes we did and this update and

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<v Speaker 4>then the Manisphere series on James. God, I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm swimming in it. I'm deep in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Water, so you're filthy with tape. It's like wading into

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<v Speaker 2>a sewer. So we're going to be answering the question

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<v Speaker 2>what's new with Andrew Tait Because you've probably heard a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of confusing stories and I think people who are

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like casually looking at the coverage are like, oh, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>he's out of jail now, or the charges dropped, he's

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<v Speaker 2>back in the US, Wait is he under investigation?

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<v Speaker 1>And the what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get into all that. I'm gonna explain

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what's happened, what's happening with with the man, and

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<v Speaker 2>then in part two we're going to talk a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about some new stuff that's come out, about things that

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<v Speaker 2>were happening, you know, during the last episodes we wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>but that we didn't know because there have been a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of leaks from his website since. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>all important information that does kind of change my understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of how this guy operates and what's actually going on

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes. But let's start with like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck's going on right now and what's been going on

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<v Speaker 2>since we talked about him last. So when we we

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<v Speaker 2>left Monsieur Tate back in twenty two, don't give he'd

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<v Speaker 2>been arrested and jailed and then released to house arrest,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the two years since simultaneously, very little has

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<v Speaker 2>changed and at the same time quite a lot has.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start with just a little bit of an

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<v Speaker 2>overview of what went down. Andrew aged thirty six, and Tristan,

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<v Speaker 2>age thirty four, at the time, we're both arrested on

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<v Speaker 2>December twenty ninth, twenty twenty two. They'd moved to Romania

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen and had drawn attention from the authorities

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<v Speaker 2>for trafficking women and forming an organized crime ring to

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<v Speaker 2>do so. Investigators identified seven women who alleged that they

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<v Speaker 2>had been forced to perform sex acts on camera for

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<v Speaker 2>the tates financial gain. One of the women accused Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>of having raped twice in March of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Another woman acclaimed a TIT associate had used violence to

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<v Speaker 2>force her to stay in their compound after she attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to leave. Both brothers were locked up in a Romanian

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<v Speaker 2>prison for about three months. While they were incarcerated, die caught.

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<v Speaker 2>The Romanian federal agency devoted to organized crime, who was

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<v Speaker 2>handling this case, towed away a bunch of their luxury

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<v Speaker 2>cars and seized almost four million dollars in assets. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>they were released to house at rest and then nothing

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to happen For quite a while. Andrew continued posting

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter, and he guested remotely in podcasts from his

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<v Speaker 2>compound in Romania. Right wing figures would fly to Romania

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<v Speaker 2>and visit him and put him on their various shows.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until June of twenty twenty three that Tate

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<v Speaker 2>was formally indicted. He and his brother and two Romanian

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<v Speaker 2>women were charged with forming an organized criminal group in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one in orchestrating a campaign of human trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>in three different countries. He was also charged with rape.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a significant gap between December of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two when he was initially arrested, and then a few

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<v Speaker 2>months later house arrests started it. But it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>June of the next year, of twenty twenty three, that

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<v Speaker 2>he actually gets indicted for anything. And that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a sign that the actual case around this

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<v Speaker 2>is messy. And it's not messy because there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of evidence of fucked up shit Andrew did. It's

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<v Speaker 2>messy in part because the Romanian justice system not the

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<v Speaker 2>best in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Romanian criminal investigations don't always have their p's and ques

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<v Speaker 2>put together here. So the mass of coverage around the

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<v Speaker 2>indictments and allegations led to a flood of additional allegations

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<v Speaker 2>from women who had been abused by Andrew back home

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK. I'm gonna quote from the New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times here. In March. This is twenty twenty three, the

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<v Speaker 2>Romanian authorities arrested the Tates again after Britain said it

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<v Speaker 2>was pursuing them over separate accusations related to sexual crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and exploitation in that country. A Bucharest court ruled soon

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<v Speaker 2>afterward that they would be extradited to Britain to face

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<v Speaker 2>those charges after legal proceedings conclude in Romania. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is the way things are right there is that case

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<v Speaker 2>is continuing to build. UK authorities have expressed being very

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<v Speaker 2>bullish on prosecuting the Tates, and as things stand once

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation, it's kind of it might the fact they bullish,

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<v Speaker 2>they because they think they've got they have a good case,

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<v Speaker 2>and the UK has a functional criminal justice system somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>they have prosecutors who know how to put together a

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<v Speaker 2>case better than the Romanian ones do I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think, I guess, but these guys have gotten away with

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<v Speaker 3>it for so long that just like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And the UK, to be fair, UK authorities massively fucked

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<v Speaker 2>up the first set of allegations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, why are you so confident when because this is your.

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<v Speaker 2>Jobs, Because this has become a massive issue in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK right both because like fifty by most recent polls,

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<v Speaker 2>like fifty two percent of men under nineteen have a

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<v Speaker 2>positive view of Andrew Tait in the UK. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>he has been he has been. He's also becoming extremely

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<v Speaker 2>dem to a lot of like adults and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, the people in politics in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>So he is a massive figure over there for that reason,

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<v Speaker 2>and at least all of the signs I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 2>that the UK is very wants to prosecute him aggressively,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the best thing for him maybe the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that this Romanian case has been so messy because they

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<v Speaker 2>can't They won't extradite him until they either charge him

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<v Speaker 2>and the case is concluded or they drop the investigation. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 2>the day before I finalized these episodes, BBC article dropped

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<v Speaker 2>with more details from this case, the case of the

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<v Speaker 2>four women in the UK who are alleging crimes committed

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<v Speaker 2>by Tate. According to court documents in those cases, which

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<v Speaker 2>have become recently available, one of these women alleges that

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<v Speaker 2>Tate pointed a gun at her at her face and

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<v Speaker 2>told her, you're going to do as I say or

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be hell to pay. Another woman claims that he

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<v Speaker 2>threatened to kill her. Another says that he threatened to

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<v Speaker 2>kill anyone who spoke to her, and another says he

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<v Speaker 2>convinced her he'd killed people in the past. I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>just based on what's not known about him, believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>But he has a as we'll talk about, he spends

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time and effort trying to convince people

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<v Speaker 2>that he is like a very deadly man, particularly fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old boys and the teenage women he primarily pursues,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not saying she's silly for taking that seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>You should always take it seriously when a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>was threatening you says.

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<v Speaker 1>That, especially if they allegedly are holding a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well he was only holding a gun allegedly on

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<v Speaker 2>one of them, not one. These were four different women,

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<v Speaker 2>one guy. Yeah, these were four different men with different allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Tate, Tristan Tate which is his brother and weird

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<v Speaker 2>little sidekick and their spokesperson have repeatedly denied these and

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<v Speaker 2>all other allegations against them. He has also taken what

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<v Speaker 2>we will describe as uneven efforts to reform his image.

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<v Speaker 2>For one thing, he converted to his lom supposedly and

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<v Speaker 2>has made a number of videos showed up on some

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts about that there's a good BBC documentary and which

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<v Speaker 2>people who were close to him and know him say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lie, and I believe Again, He's been spotted repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 2>like when he got back to Florida at like in clubs,

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<v Speaker 2>in and around alcohol drinking partying in ways that like

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<v Speaker 2>strict observant Muslims don't do, what with the booze. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's also tried to remake his image as a philanthropist.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this started with just kind of bullshit. He claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that in the past he had donated heavily to charities,

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<v Speaker 2>he built a dog shelter in Romania and was going

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<v Speaker 2>to rebuild an orphanage. But in the wake of these allegations,

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<v Speaker 2>he launched the website tatepledge dot com and claimed in

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<v Speaker 2>a video I donate twenty five million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 2>defeeding children in war torn countries, especially in the Islamic world,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's where war is. There's actually war all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place, not just in the Islamic world. Andrew Tate

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<v Speaker 2>in that video, he announced the birth of the Tate Foundation,

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<v Speaker 2>which quote is going to be dedicated to charitable acts.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be spending millions and millions of dollars on

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<v Speaker 2>charitable acts for the rest of my human life.

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<v Speaker 1>God, what's happening on this website?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's I mean it's like videos. So those

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<v Speaker 2>are videos that when you like, different charities put out

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<v Speaker 2>for their donors. Well, we'll be explaining that in a second,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's going on on this site? But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to people to see tape pledge dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a normal charitable website where like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're collecting all the different donations from these people, but

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<v Speaker 2>these are all supposed to be from Andrew Tait, Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Andrew Chates has not changed lives for the better.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, no, after he states God has blessed me

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<v Speaker 2>with fantastic wealth. It's more money than I will ever

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<v Speaker 2>personally need. The video than displaced text saying this is

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<v Speaker 2>how the most famous man on Earth exerts his influence

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<v Speaker 2>despite all the attacks from his fiercest critics, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>only one actively trying to change the world for the better. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about how real all this shit is in

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<v Speaker 2>a second. It's not. Mostly. If you go to the

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<v Speaker 2>tape Plage Pledge website, it looks kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>normal NGO, right, except the fact that the weird fact

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<v Speaker 2>of the matter is like, normally a site like this

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<v Speaker 2>would be keeping track of a bunch of people donating,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is just supposed to be the Tates and

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<v Speaker 2>some of their Inner Circle War Room members. On that

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<v Speaker 2>site today, it claims that almost one point two million

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<v Speaker 2>lives have been changed by their donations, and twelve million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars are donated, and even that is significantly less than

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<v Speaker 2>Tate claimed he was planning to spend. But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the There's like forty three projects listed on the site,

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<v Speaker 2>from wheelchairs for disabled kids to distributing food aid and Yemen,

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<v Speaker 2>and it all sounds nice and weirdly innocuous for the Tates.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the obvious question one asks now is is

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<v Speaker 2>any of this real? And to answer that I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to refer to an investigation published on the website Unheard

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<v Speaker 2>and written by Steve Bogan. Quote. There is very little

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<v Speaker 2>evidence of more than a million lives being changed or

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<v Speaker 2>of tens of millions of dollars being spent. Fewer than

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<v Speaker 2>ten charities feature in the videos, and at least one

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<v Speaker 2>is now defunct. The tate's most regular collaborator is Muslim

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<v Speaker 2>Global Relief, a Manchester based charity with an income of

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<v Speaker 2>three point four million pounds and three employees. It's deputy

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<v Speaker 2>managing director, Mohammed Bashir, told me that Muslim Global Relief

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<v Speaker 2>conducted sixteen to twenty projects with Tate donated money this

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<v Speaker 2>financial year, but the total amount spent was thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>pounds at most. Asked whether the Tate funded projects were

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<v Speaker 2>long term or one off events, mister Bisheer said, one

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<v Speaker 2>project at a time in different places. The charity, he added,

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<v Speaker 2>had made a policy decision to carry out and taking

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<v Speaker 2>money from the Tates regardless of the charges they faced. However,

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<v Speaker 2>if they were found guilty, Global Muslim Relief with several

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<v Speaker 2>ties and both so we're looking at tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>from the most documented charity, not millions. This is clearly

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of like a tax dodge sort of situation

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<v Speaker 2>as well as being like a pr thing. But also

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<v Speaker 2>Tate's been accused of not paying like tens of millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars in UK taxes over the years, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those like this, this doesn't count to me,

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<v Speaker 2>like the fact that you lied about how much you

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<v Speaker 2>gave in order to get some videos that you could

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<v Speaker 2>put on a website and gave what is effectively pocket

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<v Speaker 2>change based on what you actually owe in taxes. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I don't really give a shit. So and

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<v Speaker 2>even that I should say, this is like the most

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<v Speaker 2>documented relationship they have with a charity. Even that possibly

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<v Speaker 2>semi legit thirty k donation is incredibly sketchy when a

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<v Speaker 2>journalist digs into it, because Bogan like did the smart

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<v Speaker 2>thing and after Global Moosim Relief was like, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>gave us some money, like not as much as he claimed,

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<v Speaker 2>but some. He was like, so like how did they

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<v Speaker 2>transfer these funds to you? Like how'd they get sent

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<v Speaker 2>to you? And they said, and this is so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, well, actually Tate didn't give them to

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<v Speaker 2>us directly. A journalist who we won't name. Handed it

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<v Speaker 2>to us from Tate quote from their representatives. What we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have direct links with the Tate brothers. Mister Bisheer said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a journalist based here in the UK who's a

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<v Speaker 2>representative and looks after the charitable arm for them. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the one who gives us the donations and then we

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<v Speaker 2>do the projects and give them the appropriate feedback. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no ongoing long term funding for one particular project in

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<v Speaker 2>one particular country. That's really weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's not normal.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, a journalist is your intermediary. If they'd said

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, I'd be like, hey, rich people have like

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer handled that guid to shit all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>A journalist, My question is, is this the same reportersher

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<v Speaker 3>that fucked with Princess Diana in the UK?

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<v Speaker 2>Basher is the representative from the muscle. The journalist nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with that, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was like, red red Flag, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have a couple of theories, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to throw them out on air about who this

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote journalist might be. But yeah, it's that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not how this is normally handled.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, seems bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems bizarre, And I should emphasize here that there are

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<v Speaker 2>substantial tax benefits to donating to certain amounts, certain amounts

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<v Speaker 2>to charity, and to an extent, when you're bringing in

0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.720
<v Speaker 2>money like this, it does make financial sense to donate.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tates have been doing this for years with the

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<v Speaker 2>money they brought in from sexually trafficking webcam workers. One

0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.800
<v Speaker 2>charity they gave to Muslim Hands took donations from the

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<v Speaker 2>Tates for years and sent them video evidence of some

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<v Speaker 2>of the projects they completed, which is a standard thing

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<v Speaker 2>for NGOs to do, right, like, here's some here's some

0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.160
<v Speaker 2>video evidence of how your money is helping people. Andrews

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<v Speaker 2>started posting this footage on his website after his arrest,

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<v Speaker 2>which horrified them because this is a real charity and

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<v Speaker 2>they want nothing to do with a pimp. They publicly

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<v Speaker 2>cut ties with the Brothers and asked for all of

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<v Speaker 2>the footage to be removed. But many of the charities

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<v Speaker 2>he claims to have given to, like Human Appeal, denied

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<v Speaker 2>that they received actual donations from the Tates he claims

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<v Speaker 2>to have donated to them, and they're like no, like

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<v Speaker 2>one completely different guy dedicated some money in their names.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another group he claims to have donated to Action

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<v Speaker 2>for Humanity International, who says they did not receive money

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<v Speaker 2>from the TATES, but their Canadian partner organization got eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars and as soon as the charges were made

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<v Speaker 2>public against the TATES, they returned it. Several larger donations

0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.960
<v Speaker 2>were offered by the TATES to their Canadian partner, but

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<v Speaker 2>the charity refused the money because they like googled him

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<v Speaker 2>and were like, oh fuck, we don't need this, We

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<v Speaker 2>don't need this at all. We need your twelve thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars Andrew taits gess, well, I think before you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about like twenty seventeen eighteen where he's like and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of well known and like webcam sex communities, but like

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<v Speaker 2>it might not pull up anything. And you also, the

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<v Speaker 2>thing they noted was that their limit for when they

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<v Speaker 2>would do due diligence on a donation was like fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and so an eight hundred dollars donation they're just

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<v Speaker 2>not checking on because that's not enough money for them

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<v Speaker 2>to really worry about it, right, which makes sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it costs money to do that due diligence. Now, additionally,

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<v Speaker 2>from that unheard article quote, other charities singled out by

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<v Speaker 2>the Tates have simply disappeared. The first video posted on

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<v Speaker 2>the Tape Pledge website was dated to April thirteenth and

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<v Speaker 2>features hundreds of construction workers in Dubai receiving boxes of

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<v Speaker 2>food courtesy of a charity called Life Guided by Light.

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<v Speaker 2>A similar Tobai based food handout, supported by the Tates

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<v Speaker 2>and executed by men wearing Life Guided by Light t shirts,

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<v Speaker 2>was carried out in a car park for Chinese National

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<v Speaker 2>Chemical Engineering vehicles. The workers wore hi vis vests bearing

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<v Speaker 2>the letters C and CEC. Yet what I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>ask Life Guided by Light why it felt necessary to

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<v Speaker 2>feed workers employed by a huge multinational corporation. I discovery

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<v Speaker 2>It seems weird, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but here's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I discovered that the charity's three trustees had dissolved it

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<v Speaker 2>last December, following a year of zero income and zero expenditure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, my guess, because he has ties to debay,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes there. I kind of wonder if maybe there's

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<v Speaker 2>some like he needed to move. He wanted to move

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<v Speaker 2>some money over there. And this was like a weird shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it certainly doesn't seem to be real.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier this year, I showed and this is continuing that

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<v Speaker 2>article from unheard. Earlier this week I showed the Tate

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<v Speaker 2>pledge page to two senior academics with expertise in the

0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.959
<v Speaker 2>charity sector. Well neither wanted to be named. One express

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<v Speaker 2>concern over the use of stereotypical images of victims in

0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.720
<v Speaker 2>need that are now being heavily criticized by the NGO community.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tate videos, he pointed out, often feature young African

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<v Speaker 2>children expressing delight at being given a plate of food.

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<v Speaker 2>The other added, it seems like a classic case of

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<v Speaker 2>charity washing, trying to bolster a hugely damaged reputation through

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<v Speaker 2>good works. I suspect many charities wouldn't touch the money,

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<v Speaker 2>and again, all of the events suggests it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money. Sure, one video late on the tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Pledge can't stop grifting.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's the laziest con though. It's just like, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>this way, this way, because again his audience, he's not

0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to convince this journalist. He's not trying to convince

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<v Speaker 2>you and me. He's trying to convince fourteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>boys who, probably because of the state of education both

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<v Speaker 2>the UK and the United States, aren't that great at reading.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're very vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah shit sorry. In one video on the Tape Pledge website,

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew promised to provide full accounts and receipts to prove

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<v Speaker 2>that the money goes directly to charity defeeding children in

0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.280
<v Speaker 2>war torn countries. When Steve Bogan asked their US based

0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.040
<v Speaker 2>lawyer to see these receipts, he was ignored, as he

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<v Speaker 2>was ignored when he emailed the taps directly. The Bogan

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<v Speaker 2>did a great job on this. It's a very good article.

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<v Speaker 2>Unheard U n H g r D As the website

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<v Speaker 2>was published on the whole charity angle was from the

0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.399
<v Speaker 2>jump a cynical ploy for public sympathy. In public Andrew

0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.320
<v Speaker 2>blames the matrix for his many prosecutions around the world

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<v Speaker 2>and expresses sublime confidence that he will successfully fight all

0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.600
<v Speaker 2>these cases and win them. And I want to add here,

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<v Speaker 2>I considered going back and adding some details about his

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<v Speaker 2>past and childhood that have come out in subsequent publications.

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<v Speaker 2>It just didn't make sense for these episodes because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much new stuff but I do want to note

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that has come out is that his father,

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<v Speaker 2>the famous chess player, is the guy he gets the

0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.439
<v Speaker 2>matrix comparisons from, because his dad was obsessed with the

0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.520
<v Speaker 2>matrix and would bring it up constantly to Andrew and Tristan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something a cut like one of his ansome stuff

0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.320
<v Speaker 2>he's had, Like a couple of members of his family

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<v Speaker 2>speak out. So that is apparently where that this is

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<v Speaker 2>not just something he picked up because the right wing

0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Internet adopted, which I had assumed because it's just such

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing on the conservative Internet is talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the matrix. So this actually literally does go back to

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<v Speaker 2>his childhood, which I find interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Is yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the fact that he feels a need to

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, as confident as he expresses being in

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<v Speaker 2>all cases that he's going to win, you know, all

0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.200
<v Speaker 2>of these different mental trials. The fact that he would

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<v Speaker 2>do this, this fake charity bullshit, pretend to convert to Islam,

0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.679
<v Speaker 2>it does suggest a vulnerability. The fact that he is

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:13.960
<v Speaker 2>actually worried and that he's also shameless. You wouldn't You

0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.359
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do this if you didn't feel like there was

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<v Speaker 2>some potential protection in it for you.

0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:24.760
<v Speaker 4>Unless you're nervous about potentially losing or something is yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Or not even just losing in a court of law,

0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:32.920
<v Speaker 3>but losing his audience, which I think, which I think

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<v Speaker 3>in a way is you could you could argue that's

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:38.360
<v Speaker 3>more important to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, And there's there's a pretty one of the BBC

0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.080
<v Speaker 2>articles interviews like a former kid who actually paid to

0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>be in you know, the real world and has since

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 2>come out and talked about like the which is one

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.320
<v Speaker 2>of his website platforms where he hustles young men, and

0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:54.919
<v Speaker 2>he said that like the thing that pulled him out

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 2>of it was reading the actual court allegations, which is

0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.880
<v Speaker 2>not a common story. It's not easily replicable. But there

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<v Speaker 2>is the fact that these allegations do pull some people

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<v Speaker 2>away from him, right, and it also stops some people

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 2>who might like the fact that this is publicized does

0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.080
<v Speaker 2>help keep some people from getting towards him. You know,

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a mixed bag because the additional notoriety also helps

0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>draw people. I don't know entirely how it all shakes

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.120
<v Speaker 2>out like this, This kind of stuff is messy. There's

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<v Speaker 2>not an easy answer here. So when it comes to

0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 2>this whole this kind of examples of sort of his

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerability and also how he utilizes this online community he's

0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.240
<v Speaker 2>built of young men, and he's got two websites. We'll

0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:36.919
<v Speaker 2>talk about them in more detail in part two. But

0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.159
<v Speaker 2>the war room in the real world, the real world

0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.800
<v Speaker 2>is like fifty bucks a month. The war room is

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<v Speaker 2>like eight grand a year, plus a lot more to

0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 2>be admitted into certain chat rooms, and the real world

0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.439
<v Speaker 2>is much bigger, and it kind of exists to funnel

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.439
<v Speaker 2>people upwards. Right, it's kind of both an MLM and

0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.320
<v Speaker 2>a cult style thing. Again, we'll talk about it more later.

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 2>But he utilizes this mass of a couple one hundred

0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 2>people in the real world in order to act as

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.640
<v Speaker 2>his online army, to amplify his message, to keep him

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 2>going viral, and he attempted to utilize them near the

0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>end of twenty twenty three to help him get let

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.400
<v Speaker 2>out of like Romanian, I mean, he was I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was like house arrests and using the excuse that

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 2>he needed to visit leave to the United States temporarily

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.200
<v Speaker 2>so he and his brother could see their grandmother before

0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.560
<v Speaker 2>she dies. Now, this was transparent bullshit, but it's the

0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:28.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of bullshit that he would only try if he

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.920
<v Speaker 2>was actually frightened of being convicted. Andrew actually launched a

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.879
<v Speaker 2>whole media campaign around his grandma using his subscribers to

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the Real World and members are you know, essentially there

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<v Speaker 2>to be digital servants, right. There's a lot of like,

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're taught how to do all these different

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 2>online money making scams, affiliate marketing and flooding Amazon with

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.720
<v Speaker 2>AI books. But they're really there to cut together videos

0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 2>of Andrew Tait and flood the internet with it. And

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.360
<v Speaker 2>this is what he tried to utilize as a resource

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<v Speaker 2>in a focused way to get this idea that like

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:00.919
<v Speaker 2>he just wants to visit his grandma to go viral.

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<v Speaker 2>Per an article and Vice quote. Vice News has been

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>provided with a screenshot off a message posted on a

0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>chatboard for the Real World on Saturday by Tate's cousin

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Luke Tate, who acts as a professor on the site.

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 2>The post offered a mounti or reward of unspecified value

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 2>for the subscribers who created the twenty most view video

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 2>posts in support of the campaign to see Grandma Tate.

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 1>What's cousin Tate's expertise?

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 2>He's their cousin?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh tick?

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<v Speaker 4>How many of these fuckers are there.

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I've heard a three so far. I think there may

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.439
<v Speaker 2>be some more involved. Grandmon Tite is sick and dying.

0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>She can't travel. She wants to see Andrew and Tristan

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<v Speaker 2>before she dies. Read the post. The American Embassy isn't

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<v Speaker 2>helping them make this real. We want the world to

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<v Speaker 2>know about Grandmont Tate's condition and ask the question why

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.400
<v Speaker 2>is this happening to American citizens? The post then instructs

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<v Speaker 2>members again most of these are teenagers to early twenties,

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.879
<v Speaker 2>to create videos using AI, drawing on old clips off

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Tate talking about his grandmother. Dozens of videos followed, but

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 2>none gained much track. In This video, posted the Twitter

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:04.120
<v Speaker 2>has gotten less than seven hundred views despite being embedded

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 2>in a Vice article. So like this is should be

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 2>one of the higher view videos and like they just

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 2>people don't care about this shit. Look at look at

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 2>this bullshit.

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 5>Tate's grandma is very ill and doesn't have much longer

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<v Speaker 5>on this earth.

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Her last wished to Tate.

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:24.400
<v Speaker 5>Brothers one last time. I'll explain she cannot travel due

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 5>to her serious illness. However, the American Embassy won't Letrician

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 5>and Andrew visit America, even though the Tate brothers are

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 5>American citizens. Why is America not letting Missus Tate see

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.919
<v Speaker 5>her grandsons while she can. Are they that evil that

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 5>they will restrict a man from seeing his loved ones

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.719
<v Speaker 5>for the final time? Calm in and share to spread

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 5>the news?

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<v Speaker 2>That's it? Cannot say, Tristan.

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Why, Like I don't know, Dane, grandma doesn't really equate

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 3>to you know, a million shirtless Andrew Tate.

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 2>No, No, a lot of shirtless Andrew Tates smoking a

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>cigar talking about how his grandma just wants to see him.

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 2>Him petting a dog is in there too. You just

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 2>got to make him look innocent. Speaking of innocent, you

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 2>know who's never committed a crime that I can prove

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>in a way that is actionable in court. Our sponsors,

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe, honestly, yeah, given some of the people,

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go to bat for that.

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>But don't anyway, we don't approve them all.

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's just be done and we're back and we're all

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 2>still innocent of any crimes that I can prove got committed.

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Except for that thing with with Sophie and the FDA

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and Venezuela. It was messy. It was messy. It was messy.

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 4>We don't talk about that on era.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Who shot who will never know? You know, I don't know, Sophie,

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>glad you're healing. Are to all those agents now as

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>shallow and sad as this whole fucking gramma taatee bullshit is.

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 2>I have to be honest, It is unclear to me

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>whether Andrew or Tristan or anyone around them will ever

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>be ultimately convicted and sentenced for anything. Their defense has

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>been buttressed by the fact that Romanian prosecutors are not

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>overwhelmingly competent, and they are trying right, and there's evidence

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>there is like significant civil reform actions within Romania, and

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:30.919
<v Speaker 2>the fact that the Tates are being charged at all

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>is a part of that right. But the die Cut

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>prosecutors made a lot of really bush league mistakes, like

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>not mistakes that indicate that they're really innocent, but the

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 2>mistakes that are like, yeah, you are going to be

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 2>able to procedurally get stuff dropped if you can afford

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>very good lawyers like the Tates can when shit like

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 2>this happens. Right when the indictments first dropped, there was

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of excitement among the kind of people who

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>hate Tate will call them most people and if you'll remember,

0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks convince themselves. Greta Tunberg had posted

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Andrew into prison. The reality is that that had nothing

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 2>to do with anything.

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.880
<v Speaker 1>No, really funny.

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 2>The timing was funny, But the reality is that the

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Tates have been pretty savvy with how they have approached

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>their crimes, not master criminal level. There are some dumb mistakes,

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.120
<v Speaker 2>which is why they've gotten in trouble, But the thing

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>that they are doing is different enough from traditional like pimping,

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 2>and they're good enough at scaring a lot of these

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>women into not wanting to take on the risk of

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:35.199
<v Speaker 2>openly coming against them that it is not easy to

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 2>convict them, at least in Romania. Right, this is an

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 2>uphill battle. There are signs of this. There were signs

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>of this from early on in the court process. The

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 2>length of time between arrest and indictment is unusual, right.

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.199
<v Speaker 2>The fact that they spent months in jail and then

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>we're on house arrest and it was still a year

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>until they got indicted, that's peculiar. And then in spring

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four, after court approved the case to

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 2>finally go to trial. The Tates succeeded in appealing to

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>change the indictment. Per the ap quote, The appeals court

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 2>ruled that it identified multiple flaws in the prosecutor's case

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>file against the Tates, saying prosecutors had failed to adequately

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>explain the charges against Andrew to an alleged female victim,

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and that the charges against the female suspects were not

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 2>properly presented. It said the indictment failed to specify the

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>amounts related to the confiscation of assets in the case.

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.239
<v Speaker 2>The court ordered some evidence removed, including witness statements by

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 2>two alleged victims and witness statements made by Andrew and

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Tristan which were deemed and admissible. The court did not

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>say why. And you know, there's a number of reasons

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>for this, but again it all kind of suggests, well,

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>this was sloppier than you'd want it to be, right,

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the fundamental issue here.

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 3>And they have so much money to pay, and they

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 3>have money to pay for legal advice, and yeah, and

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:54.479
<v Speaker 3>it's sad because most of that money comes from them manipulating.

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Comes from them fourteen year boy and abusing women.

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Right, It's like there are all the violence money is

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 3>going to the Andrew and Tristan table.

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's their fence fund.

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>And more than that, when they traffic, when they have

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>these women working for them on cameras, they're taking basically

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>everything they earn, right.

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, money is going straight to them.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And that's so they have money for these and

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>it's also obviously reason the different subscription fees. I think

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 2>that is now now he started making his money through

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the can business, I don't know that that's any meaningful

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 2>chunk of his income now. I think it is all

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>from this this platform that he's built, right, I think

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>that's where it takes money comes from these days. But

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, it is. It's one of those things. What

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 2>having a good lawyer tends to mean in cases like

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 2>this isn't that they're better at proving your innocent. It's

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>that there's all sorts of things that if they're not

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>done perfectly by both the police and by the prosecutors,

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer who really knows their shit can drag out

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>a case and can and like, that's why you want

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>to have a good lawyer. And this is also how

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 2>people who are being harassed unjustly by law enforcement get off.

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>But in this case, the Tates have a lot of

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>ammunition on their side, especially given how sloppy things have

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 2>been done in Romania. I don't think a UK case

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>would go nearly this well against them. But it's also

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>unclear to me. Romanias said they will extradite, but he

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>is now allowed to move around the world as we're

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 2>talk about, so I don't know what's going to happen.

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>In August, though, prosecutors in Romania announced a new investigation

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 2>separate to the other one ongoing that just had the

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 2>indictment changed. They executed four additional search warrants against different

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>properties while investigating new allegations of human trafficking and money laundering.

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>But a few months later, in the fall winter of

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, prosecutors had to rework their indictment after

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the court announced issues over the evidence and aspects of

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.959
<v Speaker 2>how the case had been approached. Despite this, in December

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four, the Bucharest Court of Appeals decided

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>the indictment against the Tates did not meet the requirements

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 2>for the case to go to trial. They claimed there

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 2>were issues in quote, the manner of presenting the facts

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>and describing the constituent elements in the case, and that

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Andrew's right to defense had been violated. They didn't get

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>all their way in Q four that same month, the

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 2>same month that their case was sent back to prosecutors

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>in Romania, a British court ruled that more than two

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>million pounds of their frozen assets would be forfeited as

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>the brothers had obviously committed tax evasion. They're accused at

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>present of not paying taxes on some twenty one million

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>pounds on from two thousand and from twenty fourteen to

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two.

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>God, that's so much. Fuck it, it's so.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Much fucking money. It's really it's really quite frustrating. Andrew

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>described these charges, which included money laundering, as quote a

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>coordinated attack on anyone who dares to challenge the system,

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the system of paying your taxes. Now. The Taits had

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>been released from their strict house arrest conditions near the

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>end of summer twenty twenty four, and this had started

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>the timer on a probationary period after which they would

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 2>be eligible to leave Romania. Right this was not really

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>surprising that they ultimately were, because once they were released

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>from their house arrest conditions, near the end of that summer,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>like there was kind of like a ticking clock going

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 2>on when they'd get to travel. Ultimately, in late February

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty five, the brothers received clearance from a

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Romanian judge to leave the country Pere. The Guardian authorities

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>in Romania said prosecutors had approved the brother's request to

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 2>travel the Anti Organized Crime Unit. Diecott said the pair

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>remained under the judicial supervision and would have to appear

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>before the judicial authorities at every summons. It added that

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.239
<v Speaker 2>any violation may lead to a higher custodial measure. And

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>so this is kind of like going out getting out

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>on bail, right, you're allowed except for they're allowed to

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 2>travel internationally, but you know, I guess Romania is different.

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>But they are allowed. They do have to come back

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 2>when asked, but they are allowed to go, and they

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>very quickly did.

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting that you've explained it this week because I

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 3>remember when this happened and they showed up and I

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 3>think it was Florida. Everybody was like, how the fuck

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 3>is this allowed to happen, And you know, it just

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 3>seems like just a system not so good.

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's just it's and it's certainly very different, right, sure,

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's the way it works.

0:32:58.800 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 2>They immediately bore today gulf Stream aircraft, which Andrew called

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Tate Force one. It is unclear to me if they

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>own this or are renting it, because they have talked

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>about I'm going to guess they've talked. Yeah, they have

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>talked to other times about how we had to pay

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 2>like one hundred and eighty five grand to fly back

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to Romania to sign this paper. And I'm like, okay,

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>so does that is that just the fuel costs or

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 2>does that mean that, like, you're renting this fucker? Unclear

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to me. There was immediate speculation that Trump had pressured

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the Romanian government on Tate's behalf. Most people I have

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 2>encountered seem to just take this as established fact that

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>like Trump intervened, and this was certainly the initial discourse

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>around it, like, oh, now he's going to get off

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 2>because Trump is intervened on his behalf. The Republicans are

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 2>going to help him because they love him. I don't

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 2>know that this is the case, and in fact, I

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 2>think the preponderance of evidence suggests that it may not be.

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>For his part, Trump has denied knowing anything about their release,

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you shouldn't trust anything that Trump says.

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>It's a famous truth teller.

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Famous famously not a truth teller. However, Trump is not

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the kind of guy who would encounter Tait organically because

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Tate is kind of like not his style of gross.

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 2>He likes used car dealers, he likes financial scammers and stuff.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Tate is a literal pimp. He's just like a

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>like a literal pimp. And that's that's really not Trump's

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.800
<v Speaker 2>brand of guy to associate with super publicly. And Trump

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 2>has not made any point of reaching out to Taate

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>or directly embracing him, even though Andrew has been a

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 2>major Trump supporter four years. It is also possible, and

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>obviously there are a lot of people who really like

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Tate within the Trump administration, a lot of very young,

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, groyper style online misogynist freaks that are in

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>the administration that are endged gross. Yeah, it's possible that

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 2>some of them pulled strings for him, but it's not

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 2>clear that this is what happened. There are rumors of this,

0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 2>but when I track them down, the rumors that it

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>was the Trump administration that pressured Romania to let him

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 2>leave come down entirely to the lawyer representing the women

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 2>who have accused Tate of sexual assault. Back in the UK,

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.840
<v Speaker 2>that lawyer claimed that the Trump administration is quote interfering

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:13.439
<v Speaker 2>in due process and argued that Trump's election was why

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the brothers felt like they would be safe in returning

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 2>back to the United States. And I think that I

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.959
<v Speaker 2>don't see I don't know that there's evidence. I can't

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>prove it that the Trump administration interfered to make this happen. However,

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's probably correct that Trump's election made

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 2>them feel like maybe we'll be safe in the eye

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 2>for shates, right, Like, I don't think that that part

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 2>is untrue, but I can't prove the first part, and

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 2>there's some evidence against it. That said, like a lot

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>of scumbags. Andrew and Tristan felt emboldened by the resurgence

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 2>of the far right in US politics and Trump's victory,

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>especially since anti women and anti woke influencers were a

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 2>key part of Trump's election strategy and Tate has rebranded

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 2>himself a lot as an anti woke influencer. It is

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 2>possible that them feeling like they would be welcome in

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the US in this new era. Was a miscalculation because

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 2>while Andrew was a prominent figure to a lot of

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 2>young people on the far right, he is not a

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 2>respectable political figure even in the context of the present

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 2>US system. I'm not one hundred percent sure why guys

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>like Joe Rogan can get away with having holocaust and

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 2>iires on their podcast Doje has multiple young men in

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 2>it who we know were members of a far right

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 2>extremist groups online that trade child porn and try to

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 2>harass people into suicide. But there is something about Tate

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>that feels gross even for today's Republican party, and as

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>shocking as it seems, elected Republicans have not given Tate

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 2>a consistently warm welcome at home. As soon as so many.

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Different right wing influencers were mentioned when we went to

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 3>the RNC, Tate was not.

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Even wis here, was not hard debate, No, and you

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 2>get the feeling that maybe he's still I don't know

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 2>if it'll stay this way, but a bridge too far

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>and for whatever value this has. The second he landed

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 2>in Florida, Governor Ron De Santis made a state to

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 2>reporters saying Florida is not a place where you're welcome

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 2>with that kind of conduct. And what's really shocking was

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 2>that this was not one hundred percent talk, because as

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 2>soon as DeSantis made this statement, the Attorney General of

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Florida announced a criminal probe with the goal of determining

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 2>whether Florida had any jurisdiction to hold the Tates accountable

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 2>for their alleged crimes. It is worth noting that at

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the time this happened, per the AP quote, the Tampa

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Bay Young Republicans Club formally invited Andrew Tate to speak

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:30.359
<v Speaker 2>to their group as free speed absolutists. The Tates haven't

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>been formally convicted of any crimes and are welcome to

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:34.919
<v Speaker 2>speak to our group. The post reads, We're old enough

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>to remember when an asterisk convicted felon asterisk won the presidency,

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 2>and you know so again, I'm not saying he's been

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>rejected by the right. I'm saying that there's a lot

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 2>quite a few elected leaders on the right who have

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 2>don't really like this guy and have even been willing

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to take some action against it, which is maybe surprising,

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 2>but also maybe just to sign that like, this is

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>not a guy they really want to be associated with, right.

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 4>Yea, it's too extreme for even then.

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Too extreme or they just don't like him personally, right,

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 2>he's a gross dickhead. Yeah yeah, even Ron DeSantis may

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 2>have some standards. I guess we found him why.

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like that's one of his things that like

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 3>not he does not like what Tate does.

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, no, that's what which like you.

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Know, he's a sex trafficker.

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you know, bare minimum Ron, But and.

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 2>He brags about being a sex trafficker, which is like

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.439
<v Speaker 2>that you could be a sex trafficker and in good

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 2>with elected Republicans, but you have to lie about it.

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>So there is a specific segment of conservative media who

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 2>have no issues being affiliated with the Tates. Obviously, Aidan

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Ross was photographed in film partying with him at a

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 2>club in Miami. When interviewed by a reporter about the

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 2>probe by the Florida Attorney General, he said, we live

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 2>in a democratic society where it's innocent until proven guilty,

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and I think my brother and I are largely misunderstood.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Tit and Tristan attended several UFC fights in Las Vegas.

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Dana White really close to Trump though, because Dana White exactly.

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think.

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 4>Like the Nelk Boys and all that stuff, Trump was

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 4>on their podcasts in the election cycle, like there it.

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Is and that's that's that's where we're getting kind of like,

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because Dana White, again, the UFC president

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>and CEO, very close to Trump, was helped introduce Trump

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.359
<v Speaker 2>at the r n C. Yeah, shook hand with it

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>was it was seen shaking hands with the brothers and

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 2>hugging them and saying on video, welcome to the States. Boys.

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:37.879
<v Speaker 2>There are also some folks who have gone back and

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>forth on the taps. James Kennedy, a star from vander

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Pump Rules, he was.

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Just arrested for domestic violence.

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 2>So great guy, great guy, saying even that guy. He

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>was seen at a vip P bar during one of

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>these Vegas UFC events hanging out with Andrew and Tristan

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and posted the photo on his Instagram and the backlash

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>was severe enough that he like deleted it, and Apolo

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 2>just saying I was unfamiliar with their content and the

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 2>allegations against them. I only knew them as podcasters who

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>had boasted a viral clip about vander Pump. I have

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.719
<v Speaker 2>since educated myself and condemned their beliefs.

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, and you really trying to pull I was unfamiliar.

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 2>With I was, I'm familiar with them. I thought they

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:26.959
<v Speaker 2>were podcasters. Yeah, so it's it's they're in this really

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 2>weird spot where it's like kind of uneven where some

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 2>people are willing to double down on being like, no,

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 2>they haven't been convicted. I love them and fuckuld the

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 2>vander Pump guys like, oh no, I had no idea

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 2>very peculiar situation. It is a little hard for me

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to parss out the precise dimensions of what's going on

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.280
<v Speaker 2>here now. The Taps themselves have filed a defamation lawsuit

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 2>in Palm Beach Circuit Court back in two thousand and

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 2>three against the women who accused them of keeping against

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the woman who accused them of keeping their prisoner and

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 2>their compound in Romania. This was one of the things

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 2>that led to, you know, the investigations and everything against them.

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 2>They've sought a restraining order against her as well. Tate

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 2>returned to Romania in March, spending he claims, one hundred

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 2>and eighty five thousand dollars in a private jet for

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the flight. This was essentially him fulfilling the conditions of

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>his release, which required that he returned when summoned by

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the court. In a post before his return, Tate said

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to Twitter, innocent men don't run all caps. They clear

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 2>their name in court.

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Just imagine what.

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Would happen if he like flew domestic. I just I'm

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 3>so curious about how oh yeah people noticed him.

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>What would happen?

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 2>No, there's no way he's ever going to fly domestic absolutely.

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:40.359
<v Speaker 3>So, uh, you know whatever, brow like, stop complaining about

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the money you have to spend, your fucking predator.

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and hey, if you can't afford a private jet

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>to fly to Romania to.

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you really conditions of your really talk to you.

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 3>If you can't afford a private if you can afford

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 3>to rent a PJ for your well, for all your crime.

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 2>One way to afford that private jet is to save

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 2>money by buying products and services that support this podcast.

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 2>You know it was thank you, thank you, thank you.

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Proud of myself, proud of you, Robert.

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're back and we're talking about how the real

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 2>way to make Andrew Tate style money. It's so funny

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>to me that, like the core of his fortune is

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 2>all in like promising dumb teenage boys that he knows

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>how to make them rich so they can escape the

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 2>fucked up economy that we've all been left with, the

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 2>fucked up planet that's going to make it harder and

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:36.319
<v Speaker 2>harder to survive. Like his job is like grifting off

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 2>the fact that people are desperate because any chance at

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 2>actually getting ahead in the world has been like strangled

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>in the fucking crib by the people who these the

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 2>ghouls who run everything. And his job is just grifting

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>off that, that desperate hope and that failure to realize

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>who the actual people with their boots on their neck are, right,

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>he's just kind of dancing around the boot being like,

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I can help you out from one of that boot.

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Govnor you know that's my Andrew Tate accent close enough,

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>close enough, right. So, as we stated last time Tate

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 2>did return in March to Romania, he signed those papers.

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>We'll see how things in Romania go. That said, as

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 2>that case has, you know, stuttered and started and stopped

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and started again, he has continued to accumulate criminal charges

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and investigations at what I can only describe as a

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Trumpian rate.

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.280
<v Speaker 4>Several days ago, like Pokemon.

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:32.799
<v Speaker 2>He's collecting them like Pokemon cards. So he flies back

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.439
<v Speaker 2>in late February to the United States, right re enters

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the country parties of Florida. Some On April fifth, twenty

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty five, NBC News published an article about several people

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.399
<v Speaker 2>being sued by the Tates who'd filed in Palm Beach

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>to pause civil defamation cases against them until the United

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 2>States federal investigation and or prosecution by the DOJ in

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:55.720
<v Speaker 2>the Southern District of New York of andrew In Tristan

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>has concluded now that has been seen as evidence by

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that since he's landed, both the

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Feds and the Southern District, and the Southern District does

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this kind of high profile shit. They did.

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.720
<v Speaker 2>They were responsible for one of the big prosecutions against Trump.

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>They went after Harvey Weinstein, right like, this is what

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the Southern District does. So it's very, very not surprising

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 2>that the Southern District is going after them, but there

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>had not been previous confirmation of that or that there

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>is an ongoing federal investigation, which is really interesting to

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 2>me as we kind of debate to what extent are

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the Republicans in the tank for this guy. Right, So

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>that does suggest the fact that their lawyer tried this,

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>that there are investigations going on. It is not one

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent clear if that is the case, but it

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 2>really seems likely right now. Okay, so if you're keeping track,

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Andrew was back in a few weeks in the US

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 2>for a few weeks, but in that short time he

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>managed to both you know, get to a federal and

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a Southern district investigation started against him, and he has

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>racked up another serious alley gation of physical and sexual violence.

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 2>His ex girlfriend, Brianna Stern, accused him of sexual battery

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>in a Los Angeles hotel room within days of his

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 2>return to the country. The two had met. Yeah this

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:14.839
<v Speaker 2>and this is like again right after he gets back

0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 2>to the United States, right like almost like, let me

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>do some abuse right when I get let me go

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 2>to a fucking LA hotel room and beat up my girlfriend. Yeah,

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 2>just like allegedly.

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, the right wing talks all about people

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 3>coming into this country and harming women, blah blah blah

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 3>blah blah. Right, it's been for four seconds.

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 2>He's a citizen though, It's fine.

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, Yeah, I forgot. That makes it okay.

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 2>We're all good, baby, We're.

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 1>All good with domestic domestic violence.

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so fuck. Stern and Tate had met in July

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four after the brothers invited her to

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.760
<v Speaker 2>their Romanian compound because, per the AP, they were looking

0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 2>for models to help promote their cryptocurrency Meme Cooi. She

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 2>said that he convinced her the media portrayals of him

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>were untrue and that he was actually a supporter of women.

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 2>It seemed like a dream come true, she said in

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the complaint. And I'm not going to like pile on

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Stern here, but like, yeah, maybe you don't. We really

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.800
<v Speaker 2>need to teach more critical thinking in school. I guess

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the solution is here A supporter

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 2>of women. Yeah, there's like audio of this guy talking

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 2>about what. Yeah, we'll talk about some of the audio

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that exists. I know.

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 3>But if you don't want to believe the thing, it's

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 3>really easy not to.

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>That's that is being a person. Yeah. After she returned

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 2>to the US, Tate's communications became threatening and manipulative, including

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>calling her his property. Stern age he sent yeah what

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 2>a g He sent messages saying he wanted to beat

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and impregnate her, telling her you have an attitude because

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 2>you're not hit enough, he once set wrote. According to

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the complaint, Tate's lawyer has alleged that the messages were doctored, edited,

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 2>and falsified. Stern also alleges that when they were both

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>in that hotel together, Andrew beat and choked her during

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 2>sex and repeatedly promised that if she crossed him he

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 2>would kill her. At this point, this is just a

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 2>criminal complaint. It is unclear to me where this is

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 2>going to end, if there are going to be like

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 2>charges and stuff like that. I do think that it

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.800
<v Speaker 2>is worth sharing a statement Stern made after the complaint

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 2>was made public. I considered many times just silently leaving

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Andrew and saying nothing, doing nothing because I was scared

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and because it was honestly hard for me to accept

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.759
<v Speaker 2>that I was being abused. But I can see that

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 2>now that approach, that doing so would be the cowardly approach.

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:40.680
<v Speaker 2>And that is again one of the reasons why he's

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>gotten away with it, is that he scares people, and

0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to deal with his incredibly weaponized fan base,

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>and they don't want to deal they're also afraid of

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 2>him personally, And yeah, it does take a lot of courage,

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.799
<v Speaker 2>no matter what decisions may have led you there to

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:58.160
<v Speaker 2>choose to actually go for boor against this guy. Right, So,

0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:00.399
<v Speaker 2>way I do applaud her for that is now easy.

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 2>You're painting it, especially in the current political climate. You know,

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.720
<v Speaker 2>painting a target on your back takes a lot of courage.

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 3>One thousand dollars, She's going to be just ridiculed online

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 3>by the worst of the worst.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's and her name, it's with her name attached, right,

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of the accusers, rightfully are are anonymous,

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>and she is not, which makes it a lot harder

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:24.399
<v Speaker 2>and makes this a lot braver now right as well.

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 2>While all this was happening, the AP published another article

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.919
<v Speaker 2>with a simple title, Andrew Tate lands in Dubai calls

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 2>UK case politically motivated. He was there to do what

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.800
<v Speaker 2>rich evilmen do in Dubai, and his arrival there sparked

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 2>fears among UK politicians that he might remain in the

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Emirates to avoid justice. Labor MP Emily Darlington wrote to

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 2>the Home Secretary to beg the government to prevent the

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Tate brothers from evading trial by fleeing to other countries.

0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Tate responded on Twitter with this, I've made it to

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Dubai just fine.

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:50.800
<v Speaker 5>Thanks.

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 2>He claimed that the Romanian authorities have informed him that

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the case against him in Romania was started by the

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>UK Foreign Office to get me off the Internet. And

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 2>we will see where all of that goes. But I

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of wanted to conclude by talking about a little

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.319
<v Speaker 2>bit aspect of Tate's personality that we didn't get into

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 2>enough in the previous episodes, but that I think is

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 2>really important to put together here. Andrew Tait absolutely needs

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 2>you to believe that he is a dangerous man, right

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:18.839
<v Speaker 2>he is in the sense that he hurts a lot

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>of people, and he spreads toxic propaganda, and he has

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:23.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of fame, and fame can make you dangerous

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 2>to other people, right, so can money. But he also

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.800
<v Speaker 2>needs you to believe that he is a John Wick

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of warrior in real life, and he simply isn't

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 2>We discussed in the earlier episodes that his kickboxing career

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:40.280
<v Speaker 2>is massively inflated. He was an okay professional, but experts

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>will always tell you he had an eminently forgettable record,

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>right He primarily picked fights that were easy for the

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:47.120
<v Speaker 2>purpose of getting a record that looked good on paper.

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 2>But there is absolutely nothing special about his record as

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 2>a kickboxer, and even the fact that he has a

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote reputation as a professional kickboxer isn't enough for him.

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>And he constantly posts videos of in tweets of himself

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:03.399
<v Speaker 2>with we happens his favorite for whatever reason, probably because

0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 2>he's part British, being an incredibly shitty machete one of

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>the worst machetes I've ever seen. Now, look, I'm going

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to avoid playing too many extended clips of the motherfucker,

0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 2>but I think you need to see this and it'll

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.320
<v Speaker 2>help get everyone in the proper mood. So here is.

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Here's a video simply called on YouTube Andrew Taate Machete

0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 2>women self defense.

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:23.279
<v Speaker 5>It's really not weird.

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I think ahead, motherfucker.

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 6>I've been sitting next Monday. In fact, there's at least

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 6>one depending on the room, and he won.

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 2>And he's laying in bed waving a machete.

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 6>Any room I'm in in my house, I can. I

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:37.760
<v Speaker 6>can produce a weapon.

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 5>Good.

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:41.400
<v Speaker 6>You need to think long and hard about why yourself,

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 6>little pussy. So some dude, someone pussy dude once said

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:45.800
<v Speaker 6>to me.

0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it was next to bed. What if you

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 4>like ups girls?

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 5>She suches you t gets.

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Boy.

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 6>There's no female alive, even with a machete, that would

0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:05.239
<v Speaker 6>stand a chance against the immense power I possess. Have

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 6>you ever seen a woman try do anything competently? If

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 6>I picked this off right fucking but on my left hand,

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 6>I'm still like, jab, I fucking swing low, take a

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 6>fucking knee out. You're gonna see it coming. What a

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 6>woman do?

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:21.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:26.280
<v Speaker 1>He looks like a yeah insect.

0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:29.320
<v Speaker 2>He's he's waving again. He's waving a machete like a

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 2>guy who's never used one for anything. It looks like

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 2>a really shitty fuck it is shit machine. I'm gonna

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 2>talk at linked about how shitty this machete is because

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm a man who likes his machetes. Right. I like

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>large I enjoy using large knights in general, like the

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 2>aesthetics of them, three in every room, in part because

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:51.359
<v Speaker 2>they're not a good weapon. You know what a good

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:55.839
<v Speaker 2>weapon is a fucking gun. But they are a really

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 2>good tool. I used them. I used them just last weekend.

0:51:58.120 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I had to process a bunch of firewood when I

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.400
<v Speaker 2>was at camping. I've used them bushwhacking through thick brush.

0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I've used them to repeatedly sever the heads of mid

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 2>sized mammals when I'm slaughtering animals or processing roadkill because

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 2>in Oregon, if you harvest roadkill, you have to turn

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the head into the state. Right. So I have a

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:15.839
<v Speaker 2>lot of experience using a wide variety of different large

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.680
<v Speaker 2>knives for the things that they are useful for. Right.

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:22.240
<v Speaker 2>The point is that I know what makes these tools

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:25.720
<v Speaker 2>useful and not, And in my opinion, Andrew is showing

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 2>off among the shittiest machetes I have ever seen. To

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 2>describe it for our listeners, right, it has a blade

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.919
<v Speaker 2>in the front and then a saw on the back,

0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and then also in the middle of the blade, there

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.919
<v Speaker 2>are a bunch of rectangular cuts in the middle where

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>there's no metal, just squares. I think I've seen this.

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.839
<v Speaker 2>I've seen several Machete Survival branded machetes like this where

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 2>it's like it makes it lighter, and it's like, yeah,

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 2>but it also makes it weaker, makes it a lot

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:52.480
<v Speaker 2>easier to break if you're using it for any of

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 2>the tool purposes you want a machete for stuff gets

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 2>caught in there. It's not something you want on a

0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:00.960
<v Speaker 2>good solid tool. The other been thing about this is

0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 2>the fucking saw blade in the back. Let me tell

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you this right now, folks. There are certain times when

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 2>combining a number of tools makes sense. A multi tool,

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.040
<v Speaker 2>right because it's small and it fits in your pocket,

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and there are a number of things and there's really

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 2>no other way to have. But you would never choose

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 2>to use the screwdriver on a multi tool over a

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>full size screwl driver, or the saw blade on a

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 2>multitool exact over a full size saw blade. But at

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 2>least you can pop out the saw blade. When I

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 2>processed a deer last year, I popped at the saw

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:28.560
<v Speaker 2>blade on my multi toool to carve the cut through

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the sternum, right, Like, there's a like a use for

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:33.200
<v Speaker 2>that kind of a thing. There is not a use

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 2>for a saw blade on the back of a machete

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 2>like this because it has a blade on both ends.

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:40.840
<v Speaker 2>What are you going to do to how are you

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.479
<v Speaker 2>going to get the Are you gonna grip the edge

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 2>of the front of the machete in order.

0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.800
<v Speaker 4>To saw Is that what you're going to do?

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 2>How are you going to hold what is the utility?

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 2>And a saw blade not a great weapon? Right, And

0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>again there's this attitude again very errant, brought to us

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>by a lot of movies that like knives and long knives,

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 2>that like the way there's like arts to fighting with them,

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and there are some like martial arts around knife fighting.

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>They are primarily for how they look and showing off.

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>If you look at how ninety nine percent of quote

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 2>unquote knife fights go, somebody with a blade literally throws

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 2>their body into the other person and stabs them fifty

0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.279
<v Speaker 2>to one hundred fucking times until they bleed out. That's

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.359
<v Speaker 2>how people kill each other with fucking knives a lot

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 2>of the time.

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 5>Right. It is not.

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 2>It is not a an artisan's weapon. It is an

0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 2>and both people usually wind up hideously cut. That is

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.279
<v Speaker 2>how knives work as weapons. That is why you don't

0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 2>want to rely on a knife as a weapon. They're

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:43.000
<v Speaker 2>not a good survival weapon. Right. They're great as tools,

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>but not the one that he has. It's a dog

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 2>shit tool. It's a tool for a fucking idiot. And

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.279
<v Speaker 2>the only reason he is posing with this is not

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:58.239
<v Speaker 2>because he trusts it to protect himself. Cool to children, right,

0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:03.360
<v Speaker 2>he went to children, and he has I've seen multiple videos,

0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:05.440
<v Speaker 2>he claims, I have three in every room. I have

0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:08.480
<v Speaker 2>seen this exact same machete and several different tape videos.

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:11.840
<v Speaker 2>It's always carefully posed, so you know it's there because

0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Andrew desperately needs fourteen year old boys to believe that

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.040
<v Speaker 2>he's scary. Here's a photo, so he's going to show you.

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I him sitting up in bed wearing sunglasses for some reason, shitless,

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 2>an unsheathed machete lying next to him over on the bed,

0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:27.720
<v Speaker 2>just on the bed.

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:33.280
<v Speaker 3>And it makes very shitty fucking headboard in a shitty

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 3>fucking bedding, and his shitty fucking shirt lits his body

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:43.280
<v Speaker 3>mary a machette, shitty fucking sunglasses, shitty fucking side table,

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 3>new shitty fucking curtains.

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 1>And a shitty fucking lighting and a shitty fucking existence. Sorry, yeah,

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I got.

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.840
<v Speaker 2>His primary audience is children. These are boys.

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:57.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would just like he was like a woman

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.240
<v Speaker 4>with a machete. I could think she couldn't do anything

0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.880
<v Speaker 4>to me, Like I would like to take the chance.

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Man, take the chance, because you know what the thing

0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.320
<v Speaker 2>about a knife is, if you get cut in the

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 2>wrong place. It doesn't matter how big your muscles are, right,

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't exactly that's what that's what weapons do, right,

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know they're scary. Knives are scary, don't.

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.480
<v Speaker 4>Versus a pissed off woman with a machete, like I

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:19.360
<v Speaker 4>would like to see that.

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, And just like, it's not the machete that's the

0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.759
<v Speaker 2>most dangerous weapon. It's somebody who has like that fucking

0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.320
<v Speaker 2>three or four inch blade concealed and they're next to you,

0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:28.840
<v Speaker 2>and you turn your back and grab a drink and

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.320
<v Speaker 2>she jams you in the kidney eleven times. You know

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 2>you're done, Like then you're fucking bleeding. Maybe you live,

0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:39.879
<v Speaker 2>but you don't live. Well. Knives are scary, so again,

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<v Speaker 2>shit like this, This is to impress little boys in

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<v Speaker 2>primary school or secondary school whose primary knowledge of knives

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<v Speaker 2>comes from fucking cartoons and action figures in comic books. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>What I see here is a guy who bought a

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<v Speaker 2>machete because he wanted purchased one that he thought was

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<v Speaker 2>likely is to impress thirteen year old boys, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>I should note that it's not just little boys that

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<v Speaker 2>he is trying to impress. There is a secondary concern

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<v Speaker 2>tied for that in his mind when he does stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like this, and the secondary concern is much scarier. Will

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<v Speaker 2>this this weapon? These things? I'm saying this way, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>posing will this scare the mostly teenaged eighteen to nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old and very young adult girls in their early

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<v Speaker 2>twenties that I pick up in clubs and then later

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly coerced into doing on camera sex work. Right. That

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<v Speaker 2>is the second simultaneous reason that he does this because,

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<v Speaker 2>as those allegations in the UK show, he needs a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what he does is based on them thinking

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<v Speaker 2>he's dangerous. I'm gonna play you a video here where

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<v Speaker 2>Tate answers the question. I mean a second video, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like we just played that first one. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>video of him giving a speech to some of the

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<v Speaker 2>war room guys being asked like, yeah, what if a

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<v Speaker 2>woman catches you cheating?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is fairly famous. You've seen it on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of coverage.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've seen it, yes, yeah, yah, yahdeo before. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let's watch it. Yep, wait, yep, you've seen it before.

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<v Speaker 3>Trust Yeah, I'm sure I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Why is this tongue out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Stress, stress, unpleasant, away, unpleasant?

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<v Speaker 4>You cut there you're cuting.

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<v Speaker 6>It's bang out the machete, boom in her face, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Rip her up by the neck, the shaw bitch. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And now I will say I will say this is

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that he owns a second machete, because that is

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<v Speaker 2>a different machete and it doesn't have holes in it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 4>But it also looks like it's from t Mouyah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, it looks like it's from Timu maybe bud k. Right. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of these weapons, of all of his posing

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<v Speaker 2>with weapons, of all his threats about his power is

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<v Speaker 2>to scare very young people or impress very young people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because those are the folks who don't have the life

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<v Speaker 2>experience or the support to recognize or have any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like way to feel like they can defend themselves

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<v Speaker 2>against him. Or you know, they're little boys who think

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like a comic book character and that's what

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.240
<v Speaker 2>they want to be, right. Those are the those are

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<v Speaker 2>his audience.

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<v Speaker 1>His tongue is a discussed I mean, everything about him

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<v Speaker 1>just gives me.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, that's part one of our Andrew Tay updates. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you're all having fun that we will be back

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about his real weapons, the actual thing weapons,

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<v Speaker 2>the only actual weapons I've seen him wiel competently, which

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<v Speaker 2>is his his digital platform and his fame, which he

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<v Speaker 2>is unfortunately quite good at.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, and you have anything you want to plug, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to sixteenth minute by Jamie Loftus.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great show. I may or may not work

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<v Speaker 4>on it, and it's a good time. I do work.

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<v Speaker 1>Editor of that podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>And listen to Hood Politics. Prop is doing great work

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<v Speaker 4>over there. Yeah, and it's Yeah. So if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to stay informed and have fun while you're doing it,

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<v Speaker 4>take a listen to Hood Politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Check out Hood Politics, check out anything else on

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<v Speaker 2>the internet besides more Andrew take will We'll.

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