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Speaker 1: Finally back up in my office. I can finally walk

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Speaker 3: And half the plants up here did not survive the surgery,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a lot of people don't survive surgery.

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Speaker 2: Good luck if you're going into surgery. Jesus know I'm

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Speaker 2: having a horrible, horrible introductions this week.

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Speaker 1: Jesus, you do kind of look like a poet today.

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Speaker 1: You're giving poets, Sophie.

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Speaker 2: I am a poet, thank you very much. A poet

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Speaker 3: I really, I really don't like when you're mean to yourself.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm just I'm just I'm just watching that falcon,

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Speaker 1: It's like I'm just handing out treats to my dogs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like when somebody is mean to one of

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Speaker 2: Hi Ian, Hi Ian. How are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Welcome. I'm pretty good walking into us being weird.

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Speaker 4: I'm afraid of what I'm about to hear for the

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Speaker 2: Goodness. You should be, We all should be, because today

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Speaker 1: Because you set me multiple files.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did well because I edited it when some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you sent me a thing right as I was

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Speaker 2: Water, so you're filthy with tape. It's like wading into

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Speaker 2: And the UK, to be fair, UK authorities massively fucked

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Speaker 2: in that video, he announced the birth of the Tate Foundation,

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Speaker 2: First off, a journalist is your intermediary. If they'd said

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Speaker 3: A journalist, My question is, is this the same reportersher

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, red red Flag, I

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Speaker 2: I actually have a couple of theories, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: That's not how this is normally handled.

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Speaker 2: Seems bizarre, And I should emphasize here that there are

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Speaker 2: money like this, it does make financial sense to donate.

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Speaker 2: they want nothing to do with a pimp. They publicly

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Speaker 2: Earlier this year, I showed and this is continuing that

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Speaker 2: The Tate videos, he pointed out, often feature young African

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Speaker 2: The other added, it seems like a classic case of

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Speaker 1: Pledge can't stop grifting.

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Speaker 2: No, it's the laziest con though. It's just like, ah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah shit sorry. In one video on the Tape Pledge website,

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Speaker 2: I considered going back and adding some details about his

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Speaker 2: It just didn't make sense for these episodes because there's

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Speaker 2: That's something a cut like one of his ansome stuff

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Speaker 2: he's had, Like a couple of members of his family

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Speaker 4: Is yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the fact that he feels a need to

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Speaker 2: all cases that he's going to win, you know, all

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Speaker 2: it does suggest a vulnerability. The fact that he is

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Speaker 4: Unless you're nervous about potentially losing or something is yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Or not even just losing in a court of law,

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Speaker 3: in a way is you could you could argue that's

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Speaker 2: Well, And there's there's a pretty one of the BBC

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Speaker 2: of it was reading the actual court allegations, which is

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Speaker 2: not a common story. It's not easily replicable. But there

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Speaker 2: is the fact that these allegations do pull some people

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Speaker 2: it's a mixed bag because the additional notoriety also helps

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Speaker 2: draw people. I don't know entirely how it all shakes

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Speaker 2: built of young men, and he's got two websites. We'll

437
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 2: talk about them in more detail in part two. But

438
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 2: the war room in the real world, the real world

439
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: is like fifty bucks a month. The war room is

440
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 2: like eight grand a year, plus a lot more to

441
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: be admitted into certain chat rooms, and the real world

442
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 2: is much bigger, and it kind of exists to funnel

443
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 2: people upwards. Right, it's kind of both an MLM and

444
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: a cult style thing. Again, we'll talk about it more later.

445
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: But he utilizes this mass of a couple one hundred

446
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: people in the real world in order to act as

447
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: his online army, to amplify his message, to keep him

448
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 2: going viral, and he attempted to utilize them near the

449
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty three to help him get let

450
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: out of like Romanian, I mean, he was I think

451
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 2: it was like house arrests and using the excuse that

452
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: he needed to visit leave to the United States temporarily

453
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: so he and his brother could see their grandmother before

454
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: she dies. Now, this was transparent bullshit, but it's the

455
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 2: kind of bullshit that he would only try if he

456
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: was actually frightened of being convicted. Andrew actually launched a

457
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 2: whole media campaign around his grandma using his subscribers to

458
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: the Real World and members are you know, essentially there

459
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: to be digital servants, right. There's a lot of like,

460
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: you know, they're taught how to do all these different

461
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: online money making scams, affiliate marketing and flooding Amazon with

462
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: AI books. But they're really there to cut together videos

463
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: of Andrew Tait and flood the internet with it. And

464
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 2: this is what he tried to utilize as a resource

465
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: in a focused way to get this idea that like

466
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: he just wants to visit his grandma to go viral.

467
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 2: Per an article and Vice quote. Vice News has been

468
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: provided with a screenshot off a message posted on a

469
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: chatboard for the Real World on Saturday by Tate's cousin

470
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: Luke Tate, who acts as a professor on the site.

471
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: The post offered a mounti or reward of unspecified value

472
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: for the subscribers who created the twenty most view video

473
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: posts in support of the campaign to see Grandma Tate.

474
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: What's cousin Tate's expertise?

475
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: He's their cousin?

476
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh tick?

477
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 4: How many of these fuckers are there.

478
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: I've heard a three so far. I think there may

479
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: be some more involved. Grandmon Tite is sick and dying.

480
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: She can't travel. She wants to see Andrew and Tristan

481
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: before she dies. Read the post. The American Embassy isn't

482
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: helping them make this real. We want the world to

483
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: know about Grandmont Tate's condition and ask the question why

484
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: is this happening to American citizens? The post then instructs

485
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: members again most of these are teenagers to early twenties,

486
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: to create videos using AI, drawing on old clips off

487
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: Tate talking about his grandmother. Dozens of videos followed, but

488
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: none gained much track. In This video, posted the Twitter

489
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: has gotten less than seven hundred views despite being embedded

490
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: in a Vice article. So like this is should be

491
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: one of the higher view videos and like they just

492
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: people don't care about this shit. Look at look at

493
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: this bullshit.

494
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 5: Tate's grandma is very ill and doesn't have much longer

495
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 5: on this earth.

496
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: Her last wished to Tate.

497
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 5: Brothers one last time. I'll explain she cannot travel due

498
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 5: to her serious illness. However, the American Embassy won't Letrician

499
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 5: and Andrew visit America, even though the Tate brothers are

500
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 5: American citizens. Why is America not letting Missus Tate see

501
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 5: her grandsons while she can. Are they that evil that

502
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: they will restrict a man from seeing his loved ones

503
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 5: for the final time? Calm in and share to spread

504
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: the news?

505
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: That's it? Cannot say, Tristan.

506
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 3: Why, Like I don't know, Dane, grandma doesn't really equate

507
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: to you know, a million shirtless Andrew Tate.

508
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: No, No, a lot of shirtless Andrew Tates smoking a

509
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: cigar talking about how his grandma just wants to see him.

510
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: Him petting a dog is in there too. You just

511
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: got to make him look innocent. Speaking of innocent, you

512
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: know who's never committed a crime that I can prove

513
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: in a way that is actionable in court. Our sponsors,

514
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, honestly, yeah, given some of the people,

515
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to bat for that.

516
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: But don't anyway, we don't approve them all.

517
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: Let's just be done and we're back and we're all

518
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: still innocent of any crimes that I can prove got committed.

519
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: Except for that thing with with Sophie and the FDA

520
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: and Venezuela. It was messy. It was messy. It was messy.

521
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 4: We don't talk about that on era.

522
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: Who shot who will never know? You know, I don't know, Sophie,

523
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: glad you're healing. Are to all those agents now as

524
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: shallow and sad as this whole fucking gramma taatee bullshit is.

525
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: I have to be honest, It is unclear to me

526
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: whether Andrew or Tristan or anyone around them will ever

527
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: be ultimately convicted and sentenced for anything. Their defense has

528
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: been buttressed by the fact that Romanian prosecutors are not

529
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly competent, and they are trying right, and there's evidence

530
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: there is like significant civil reform actions within Romania, and

531
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: the fact that the Tates are being charged at all

532
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: is a part of that right. But the die Cut

533
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: prosecutors made a lot of really bush league mistakes, like

534
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: not mistakes that indicate that they're really innocent, but the

535
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: mistakes that are like, yeah, you are going to be

536
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: able to procedurally get stuff dropped if you can afford

537
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: very good lawyers like the Tates can when shit like

538
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: this happens. Right when the indictments first dropped, there was

539
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: a lot of excitement among the kind of people who

540
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: hate Tate will call them most people and if you'll remember,

541
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: a lot of folks convince themselves. Greta Tunberg had posted

542
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: Andrew into prison. The reality is that that had nothing

543
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: to do with anything.

544
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: No, really funny.

545
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: The timing was funny, But the reality is that the

546
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: Tates have been pretty savvy with how they have approached

547
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: their crimes, not master criminal level. There are some dumb mistakes,

548
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: which is why they've gotten in trouble, But the thing

549
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: that they are doing is different enough from traditional like pimping,

550
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: and they're good enough at scaring a lot of these

551
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: women into not wanting to take on the risk of

552
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: openly coming against them that it is not easy to

553
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: convict them, at least in Romania. Right, this is an

554
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: uphill battle. There are signs of this. There were signs

555
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: of this from early on in the court process. The

556
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: length of time between arrest and indictment is unusual, right.

557
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: The fact that they spent months in jail and then

558
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: we're on house arrest and it was still a year

559
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: until they got indicted, that's peculiar. And then in spring

560
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, after court approved the case to

561
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: finally go to trial. The Tates succeeded in appealing to

562
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: change the indictment. Per the ap quote, The appeals court

563
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: ruled that it identified multiple flaws in the prosecutor's case

564
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: file against the Tates, saying prosecutors had failed to adequately

565
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: explain the charges against Andrew to an alleged female victim,

566
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: and that the charges against the female suspects were not

567
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: properly presented. It said the indictment failed to specify the

568
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: amounts related to the confiscation of assets in the case.

569
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 2: The court ordered some evidence removed, including witness statements by

570
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: two alleged victims and witness statements made by Andrew and

571
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: Tristan which were deemed and admissible. The court did not

572
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: say why. And you know, there's a number of reasons

573
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: for this, but again it all kind of suggests, well,

574
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: this was sloppier than you'd want it to be, right,

575
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: Like that's the fundamental issue here.

576
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: And they have so much money to pay, and they

577
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: have money to pay for legal advice, and yeah, and

578
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 3: it's sad because most of that money comes from them manipulating.

579
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Comes from them fourteen year boy and abusing women.

580
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: Right, It's like there are all the violence money is

581
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: going to the Andrew and Tristan table.

582
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's their fence fund.

583
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: And more than that, when they traffic, when they have

584
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: these women working for them on cameras, they're taking basically

585
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: everything they earn, right.

586
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, money is going straight to them.

587
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's so they have money for these and

588
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: it's also obviously reason the different subscription fees. I think

589
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: that is now now he started making his money through

590
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: the can business, I don't know that that's any meaningful

591
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: chunk of his income now. I think it is all

592
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: from this this platform that he's built, right, I think

593
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: that's where it takes money comes from these days. But

594
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: you know, it is. It's one of those things. What

595
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: having a good lawyer tends to mean in cases like

596
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: this isn't that they're better at proving your innocent. It's

597
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: that there's all sorts of things that if they're not

598
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: done perfectly by both the police and by the prosecutors,

599
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: a lawyer who really knows their shit can drag out

600
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: a case and can and like, that's why you want

601
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: to have a good lawyer. And this is also how

602
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: people who are being harassed unjustly by law enforcement get off.

603
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: But in this case, the Tates have a lot of

604
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: ammunition on their side, especially given how sloppy things have

605
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: been done in Romania. I don't think a UK case

606
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: would go nearly this well against them. But it's also

607
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: unclear to me. Romanias said they will extradite, but he

608
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: is now allowed to move around the world as we're

609
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: talk about, so I don't know what's going to happen.

610
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: In August, though, prosecutors in Romania announced a new investigation

611
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: separate to the other one ongoing that just had the

612
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: indictment changed. They executed four additional search warrants against different

613
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: properties while investigating new allegations of human trafficking and money laundering.

614
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: But a few months later, in the fall winter of

615
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, prosecutors had to rework their indictment after

616
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: the court announced issues over the evidence and aspects of

617
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 2: how the case had been approached. Despite this, in December

618
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, the Bucharest Court of Appeals decided

619
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: the indictment against the Tates did not meet the requirements

620
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: for the case to go to trial. They claimed there

621
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: were issues in quote, the manner of presenting the facts

622
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: and describing the constituent elements in the case, and that

623
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: Andrew's right to defense had been violated. They didn't get

624
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: all their way in Q four that same month, the

625
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: same month that their case was sent back to prosecutors

626
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: in Romania, a British court ruled that more than two

627
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: million pounds of their frozen assets would be forfeited as

628
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: the brothers had obviously committed tax evasion. They're accused at

629
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: present of not paying taxes on some twenty one million

630
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: pounds on from two thousand and from twenty fourteen to

631
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.

632
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: God, that's so much. Fuck it, it's so.

633
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: Much fucking money. It's really it's really quite frustrating. Andrew

634
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: described these charges, which included money laundering, as quote a

635
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: coordinated attack on anyone who dares to challenge the system,

636
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: the system of paying your taxes. Now. The Taits had

637
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: been released from their strict house arrest conditions near the

638
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: end of summer twenty twenty four, and this had started

639
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: the timer on a probationary period after which they would

640
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: be eligible to leave Romania. Right this was not really

641
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: surprising that they ultimately were, because once they were released

642
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: from their house arrest conditions, near the end of that summer,

643
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: like there was kind of like a ticking clock going

644
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: on when they'd get to travel. Ultimately, in late February

645
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, the brothers received clearance from a

646
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: Romanian judge to leave the country Pere. The Guardian authorities

647
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: in Romania said prosecutors had approved the brother's request to

648
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: travel the Anti Organized Crime Unit. Diecott said the pair

649
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: remained under the judicial supervision and would have to appear

650
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: before the judicial authorities at every summons. It added that

651
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 2: any violation may lead to a higher custodial measure. And

652
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: so this is kind of like going out getting out

653
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: on bail, right, you're allowed except for they're allowed to

654
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Speaker 2: travel internationally, but you know, I guess Romania is different.

655
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: But they are allowed. They do have to come back

656
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: when asked, but they are allowed to go, and they

657
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: very quickly did.

658
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you've explained it this week because I

659
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: remember when this happened and they showed up and I

660
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: think it was Florida. Everybody was like, how the fuck

661
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: is this allowed to happen, And you know, it just

662
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: seems like just a system not so good.

663
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just it's and it's certainly very different, right, sure,

664
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: and that's that's the way it works.

665
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: Now.

666
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: They immediately bore today gulf Stream aircraft, which Andrew called

667
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: Tate Force one. It is unclear to me if they

668
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: own this or are renting it, because they have talked

669
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: about I'm going to guess they've talked. Yeah, they have

670
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: talked to other times about how we had to pay

671
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: like one hundred and eighty five grand to fly back

672
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: to Romania to sign this paper. And I'm like, okay,

673
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: so does that is that just the fuel costs or

674
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: does that mean that, like, you're renting this fucker? Unclear

675
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: to me. There was immediate speculation that Trump had pressured

676
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: the Romanian government on Tate's behalf. Most people I have

677
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: encountered seem to just take this as established fact that

678
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: like Trump intervened, and this was certainly the initial discourse

679
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: around it, like, oh, now he's going to get off

680
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: because Trump is intervened on his behalf. The Republicans are

681
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: going to help him because they love him. I don't

682
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: know that this is the case, and in fact, I

683
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: think the preponderance of evidence suggests that it may not be.

684
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: For his part, Trump has denied knowing anything about their release,

685
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: and you know, you shouldn't trust anything that Trump says.

686
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: It's a famous truth teller.

687
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: Famous famously not a truth teller. However, Trump is not

688
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: the kind of guy who would encounter Tait organically because

689
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: Tate is kind of like not his style of gross.

690
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: He likes used car dealers, he likes financial scammers and stuff.

691
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate is a literal pimp. He's just like a

692
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: like a literal pimp. And that's that's really not Trump's

693
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: brand of guy to associate with super publicly. And Trump

694
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: has not made any point of reaching out to Taate

695
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: or directly embracing him, even though Andrew has been a

696
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: major Trump supporter four years. It is also possible, and

697
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: obviously there are a lot of people who really like

698
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: Tate within the Trump administration, a lot of very young,

699
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: you know, groyper style online misogynist freaks that are in

700
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: the administration that are endged gross. Yeah, it's possible that

701
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: some of them pulled strings for him, but it's not

702
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: clear that this is what happened. There are rumors of this,

703
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: but when I track them down, the rumors that it

704
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: was the Trump administration that pressured Romania to let him

705
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: leave come down entirely to the lawyer representing the women

706
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: who have accused Tate of sexual assault. Back in the UK,

707
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: that lawyer claimed that the Trump administration is quote interfering

708
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 2: in due process and argued that Trump's election was why

709
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: the brothers felt like they would be safe in returning

710
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: back to the United States. And I think that I

711
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 2: don't see I don't know that there's evidence. I can't

712
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: prove it that the Trump administration interfered to make this happen. However,

713
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: I do think it's probably correct that Trump's election made

714
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: them feel like maybe we'll be safe in the eye

715
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: for shates, right, Like, I don't think that that part

716
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: is untrue, but I can't prove the first part, and

717
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: there's some evidence against it. That said, like a lot

718
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: of scumbags. Andrew and Tristan felt emboldened by the resurgence

719
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: of the far right in US politics and Trump's victory,

720
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: especially since anti women and anti woke influencers were a

721
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: key part of Trump's election strategy and Tate has rebranded

722
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: himself a lot as an anti woke influencer. It is

723
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: possible that them feeling like they would be welcome in

724
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: the US in this new era. Was a miscalculation because

725
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: while Andrew was a prominent figure to a lot of

726
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: young people on the far right, he is not a

727
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: respectable political figure even in the context of the present

728
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: US system. I'm not one hundred percent sure why guys

729
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: like Joe Rogan can get away with having holocaust and

730
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: iires on their podcast Doje has multiple young men in

731
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: it who we know were members of a far right

732
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: extremist groups online that trade child porn and try to

733
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: harass people into suicide. But there is something about Tate

734
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: that feels gross even for today's Republican party, and as

735
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: shocking as it seems, elected Republicans have not given Tate

736
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: a consistently warm welcome at home. As soon as so many.

737
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: Different right wing influencers were mentioned when we went to

738
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: the RNC, Tate was not.

739
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: Even wis here, was not hard debate, No, and you

740
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: get the feeling that maybe he's still I don't know

741
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: if it'll stay this way, but a bridge too far

742
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: and for whatever value this has. The second he landed

743
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: in Florida, Governor Ron De Santis made a state to

744
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: reporters saying Florida is not a place where you're welcome

745
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: with that kind of conduct. And what's really shocking was

746
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: that this was not one hundred percent talk, because as

747
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: soon as DeSantis made this statement, the Attorney General of

748
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: Florida announced a criminal probe with the goal of determining

749
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: whether Florida had any jurisdiction to hold the Tates accountable

750
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: for their alleged crimes. It is worth noting that at

751
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: the time this happened, per the AP quote, the Tampa

752
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: Bay Young Republicans Club formally invited Andrew Tate to speak

753
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 2: to their group as free speed absolutists. The Tates haven't

754
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: been formally convicted of any crimes and are welcome to

755
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: speak to our group. The post reads, We're old enough

756
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: to remember when an asterisk convicted felon asterisk won the presidency,

757
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: and you know so again, I'm not saying he's been

758
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: rejected by the right. I'm saying that there's a lot

759
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: quite a few elected leaders on the right who have

760
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: don't really like this guy and have even been willing

761
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: to take some action against it, which is maybe surprising,

762
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: but also maybe just to sign that like, this is

763
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: not a guy they really want to be associated with, right.

764
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: Yea, it's too extreme for even then.

765
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: Too extreme or they just don't like him personally, right,

766
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: he's a gross dickhead. Yeah yeah, even Ron DeSantis may

767
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: have some standards. I guess we found him why.

768
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's one of his things that like

769
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: not he does not like what Tate does.

770
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Like, no, that's what which like you.

771
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: Know, he's a sex trafficker.

772
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, bare minimum Ron, But and.

773
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: He brags about being a sex trafficker, which is like

774
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: that you could be a sex trafficker and in good

775
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: with elected Republicans, but you have to lie about it.

776
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: So there is a specific segment of conservative media who

777
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: have no issues being affiliated with the Tates. Obviously, Aidan

778
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: Ross was photographed in film partying with him at a

779
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: club in Miami. When interviewed by a reporter about the

780
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: probe by the Florida Attorney General, he said, we live

781
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: in a democratic society where it's innocent until proven guilty,

782
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: and I think my brother and I are largely misunderstood.

783
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 2: Tit and Tristan attended several UFC fights in Las Vegas.

784
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: Dana White really close to Trump though, because Dana White exactly.

785
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

786
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: Like the Nelk Boys and all that stuff, Trump was

787
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: on their podcasts in the election cycle, like there it.

788
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: Is and that's that's that's where we're getting kind of like,

789
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, because Dana White, again, the UFC president

790
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: and CEO, very close to Trump, was helped introduce Trump

791
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: at the r n C. Yeah, shook hand with it

792
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: was it was seen shaking hands with the brothers and

793
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: hugging them and saying on video, welcome to the States. Boys.

794
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: There are also some folks who have gone back and

795
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: forth on the taps. James Kennedy, a star from vander

796
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: Pump Rules, he was.

797
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: Just arrested for domestic violence.

798
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: So great guy, great guy, saying even that guy. He

799
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: was seen at a vip P bar during one of

800
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: these Vegas UFC events hanging out with Andrew and Tristan

801
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: and posted the photo on his Instagram and the backlash

802
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: was severe enough that he like deleted it, and Apolo

803
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: just saying I was unfamiliar with their content and the

804
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: allegations against them. I only knew them as podcasters who

805
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: had boasted a viral clip about vander Pump. I have

806
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: since educated myself and condemned their beliefs.

807
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 4: Oh god, and you really trying to pull I was unfamiliar.

808
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: With I was, I'm familiar with them. I thought they

809
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 2: were podcasters. Yeah, so it's it's they're in this really

810
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: weird spot where it's like kind of uneven where some

811
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: people are willing to double down on being like, no,

812
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: they haven't been convicted. I love them and fuckuld the

813
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: vander Pump guys like, oh no, I had no idea

814
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: very peculiar situation. It is a little hard for me

815
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: to parss out the precise dimensions of what's going on

816
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: here now. The Taps themselves have filed a defamation lawsuit

817
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: in Palm Beach Circuit Court back in two thousand and

818
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: three against the women who accused them of keeping against

819
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: the woman who accused them of keeping their prisoner and

820
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: their compound in Romania. This was one of the things

821
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: that led to, you know, the investigations and everything against them.

822
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: They've sought a restraining order against her as well. Tate

823
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: returned to Romania in March, spending he claims, one hundred

824
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: and eighty five thousand dollars in a private jet for

825
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: the flight. This was essentially him fulfilling the conditions of

826
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: his release, which required that he returned when summoned by

827
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: the court. In a post before his return, Tate said

828
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: to Twitter, innocent men don't run all caps. They clear

829
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: their name in court.

830
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Just imagine what.

831
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: Would happen if he like flew domestic. I just I'm

832
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: so curious about how oh yeah people noticed him.

833
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: What would happen?

834
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: No, there's no way he's ever going to fly domestic absolutely.

835
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I know.

836
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 3: So, uh, you know whatever, brow like, stop complaining about

837
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: the money you have to spend, your fucking predator.

838
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, if you can't afford a private jet

839
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: to fly to Romania to.

840
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: Do you really conditions of your really talk to you.

841
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: If you can't afford a private if you can afford

842
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: to rent a PJ for your well, for all your crime.

843
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: One way to afford that private jet is to save

844
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: money by buying products and services that support this podcast.

845
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: You know it was thank you, thank you, thank you.

846
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: Proud of myself, proud of you, Robert.

847
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

848
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're back and we're talking about how the real

849
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: way to make Andrew Tate style money. It's so funny

850
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: to me that, like the core of his fortune is

851
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: all in like promising dumb teenage boys that he knows

852
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: how to make them rich so they can escape the

853
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: fucked up economy that we've all been left with, the

854
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: fucked up planet that's going to make it harder and

855
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: harder to survive. Like his job is like grifting off

856
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: the fact that people are desperate because any chance at

857
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: actually getting ahead in the world has been like strangled

858
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: in the fucking crib by the people who these the

859
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: ghouls who run everything. And his job is just grifting

860
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: off that, that desperate hope and that failure to realize

861
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: who the actual people with their boots on their neck are, right,

862
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: he's just kind of dancing around the boot being like,

863
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: I can help you out from one of that boot.

864
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: Govnor you know that's my Andrew Tate accent close enough,

865
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: close enough, right. So, as we stated last time Tate

866
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: did return in March to Romania, he signed those papers.

867
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: We'll see how things in Romania go. That said, as

868
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: that case has, you know, stuttered and started and stopped

869
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: and started again, he has continued to accumulate criminal charges

870
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: and investigations at what I can only describe as a

871
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: Trumpian rate.

872
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 4: Several days ago, like Pokemon.

873
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: He's collecting them like Pokemon cards. So he flies back

874
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: in late February to the United States, right re enters

875
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: the country parties of Florida. Some On April fifth, twenty

876
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: twenty five, NBC News published an article about several people

877
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: being sued by the Tates who'd filed in Palm Beach

878
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: to pause civil defamation cases against them until the United

879
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: States federal investigation and or prosecution by the DOJ in

880
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 2: the Southern District of New York of andrew In Tristan

881
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: has concluded now that has been seen as evidence by

882
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: a lot of people that since he's landed, both the

883
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: Feds and the Southern District, and the Southern District does

884
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: a lot of this kind of high profile shit. They did.

885
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: They were responsible for one of the big prosecutions against Trump.

886
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: They went after Harvey Weinstein, right like, this is what

887
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: the Southern District does. So it's very, very not surprising

888
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: that the Southern District is going after them, but there

889
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: had not been previous confirmation of that or that there

890
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: is an ongoing federal investigation, which is really interesting to

891
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: me as we kind of debate to what extent are

892
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: the Republicans in the tank for this guy. Right, So

893
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: that does suggest the fact that their lawyer tried this,

894
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: that there are investigations going on. It is not one

895
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: hundred percent clear if that is the case, but it

896
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: really seems likely right now. Okay, so if you're keeping track,

897
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: Andrew was back in a few weeks in the US

898
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: for a few weeks, but in that short time he

899
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: managed to both you know, get to a federal and

900
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: a Southern district investigation started against him, and he has

901
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: racked up another serious alley gation of physical and sexual violence.

902
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: His ex girlfriend, Brianna Stern, accused him of sexual battery

903
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: in a Los Angeles hotel room within days of his

904
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: return to the country. The two had met. Yeah this

905
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: and this is like again right after he gets back

906
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: to the United States, right like almost like, let me

907
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: do some abuse right when I get let me go

908
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: to a fucking LA hotel room and beat up my girlfriend. Yeah,

909
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: just like allegedly.

910
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the right wing talks all about people

911
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: coming into this country and harming women, blah blah blah

912
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: blah blah. Right, it's been for four seconds.

913
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: He's a citizen though, It's fine.

914
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Yeah, I forgot. That makes it okay.

915
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: We're all good, baby, We're.

916
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: All good with domestic domestic violence.

917
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fuck. Stern and Tate had met in July

918
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four after the brothers invited her to

919
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: their Romanian compound because, per the AP, they were looking

920
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: for models to help promote their cryptocurrency Meme Cooi. She

921
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: said that he convinced her the media portrayals of him

922
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: were untrue and that he was actually a supporter of women.

923
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: It seemed like a dream come true, she said in

924
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: the complaint. And I'm not going to like pile on

925
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 2: Stern here, but like, yeah, maybe you don't. We really

926
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: need to teach more critical thinking in school. I guess

927
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what the solution is here A supporter

928
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: of women. Yeah, there's like audio of this guy talking

929
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: about what. Yeah, we'll talk about some of the audio

930
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: that exists. I know.

931
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: But if you don't want to believe the thing, it's

932
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: really easy not to.

933
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: That's that is being a person. Yeah. After she returned

934
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: to the US, Tate's communications became threatening and manipulative, including

935
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: calling her his property. Stern age he sent yeah what

936
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: a g He sent messages saying he wanted to beat

937
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: and impregnate her, telling her you have an attitude because

938
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: you're not hit enough, he once set wrote. According to

939
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: the complaint, Tate's lawyer has alleged that the messages were doctored, edited,

940
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: and falsified. Stern also alleges that when they were both

941
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: in that hotel together, Andrew beat and choked her during

942
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: sex and repeatedly promised that if she crossed him he

943
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: would kill her. At this point, this is just a

944
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: criminal complaint. It is unclear to me where this is

945
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: going to end, if there are going to be like

946
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: charges and stuff like that. I do think that it

947
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 2: is worth sharing a statement Stern made after the complaint

948
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: was made public. I considered many times just silently leaving

949
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: Andrew and saying nothing, doing nothing because I was scared

950
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: and because it was honestly hard for me to accept

951
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: that I was being abused. But I can see that

952
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: now that approach, that doing so would be the cowardly approach.

953
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: And that is again one of the reasons why he's

954
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: gotten away with it, is that he scares people, and

955
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: they don't want to deal with his incredibly weaponized fan base,

956
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: and they don't want to deal they're also afraid of

957
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: him personally, And yeah, it does take a lot of courage,

958
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: no matter what decisions may have led you there to

959
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: choose to actually go for boor against this guy. Right, So,

960
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: way I do applaud her for that is now easy.

961
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: You're painting it, especially in the current political climate. You know,

962
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: painting a target on your back takes a lot of courage.

963
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: One thousand dollars, She's going to be just ridiculed online

964
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: by the worst of the worst.

965
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: And it's and her name, it's with her name attached, right,

966
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the accusers, rightfully are are anonymous,

967
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: and she is not, which makes it a lot harder

968
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: and makes this a lot braver now right as well.

969
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: While all this was happening, the AP published another article

970
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 2: with a simple title, Andrew Tate lands in Dubai calls

971
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: UK case politically motivated. He was there to do what

972
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: rich evilmen do in Dubai, and his arrival there sparked

973
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: fears among UK politicians that he might remain in the

974
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: Emirates to avoid justice. Labor MP Emily Darlington wrote to

975
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: the Home Secretary to beg the government to prevent the

976
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: Tate brothers from evading trial by fleeing to other countries.

977
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: Tate responded on Twitter with this, I've made it to

978
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: Dubai just fine.

979
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 5: Thanks.

980
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: He claimed that the Romanian authorities have informed him that

981
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: the case against him in Romania was started by the

982
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: UK Foreign Office to get me off the Internet. And

983
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: we will see where all of that goes. But I

984
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to conclude by talking about a little

985
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: bit aspect of Tate's personality that we didn't get into

986
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: enough in the previous episodes, but that I think is

987
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: really important to put together here. Andrew Tait absolutely needs

988
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: you to believe that he is a dangerous man, right

989
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: he is in the sense that he hurts a lot

990
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: of people, and he spreads toxic propaganda, and he has

991
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: a lot of fame, and fame can make you dangerous

992
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: to other people, right, so can money. But he also

993
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: needs you to believe that he is a John Wick

994
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: kind of warrior in real life, and he simply isn't

995
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: We discussed in the earlier episodes that his kickboxing career

996
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: is massively inflated. He was an okay professional, but experts

997
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: will always tell you he had an eminently forgettable record,

998
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: right He primarily picked fights that were easy for the

999
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: purpose of getting a record that looked good on paper.

1000
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: But there is absolutely nothing special about his record as

1001
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: a kickboxer, and even the fact that he has a

1002
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: quote unquote reputation as a professional kickboxer isn't enough for him.

1003
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: And he constantly posts videos of in tweets of himself

1004
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 2: with we happens his favorite for whatever reason, probably because

1005
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: he's part British, being an incredibly shitty machete one of

1006
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: the worst machetes I've ever seen. Now, look, I'm going

1007
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: to avoid playing too many extended clips of the motherfucker,

1008
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: but I think you need to see this and it'll

1009
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: help get everyone in the proper mood. So here is.

1010
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: Here's a video simply called on YouTube Andrew Taate Machete

1011
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: women self defense.

1012
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 5: It's really not weird.

1013
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: I think ahead, motherfucker.

1014
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 6: I've been sitting next Monday. In fact, there's at least

1015
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 6: one depending on the room, and he won.

1016
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: And he's laying in bed waving a machete.

1017
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 6: Any room I'm in in my house, I can. I

1018
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 6: can produce a weapon.

1019
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 5: Good.

1020
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 6: You need to think long and hard about why yourself,

1021
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 6: little pussy. So some dude, someone pussy dude once said

1022
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 6: to me.

1023
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was next to bed. What if you

1024
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: like ups girls?

1025
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 5: She suches you t gets.

1026
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: Boy.

1027
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 6: There's no female alive, even with a machete, that would

1028
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 6: stand a chance against the immense power I possess. Have

1029
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 6: you ever seen a woman try do anything competently? If

1030
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 6: I picked this off right fucking but on my left hand,

1031
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 6: I'm still like, jab, I fucking swing low, take a

1032
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 6: fucking knee out. You're gonna see it coming. What a

1033
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 6: woman do?

1034
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1035
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: He looks like a yeah insect.

1036
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: He's he's waving again. He's waving a machete like a

1037
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: guy who's never used one for anything. It looks like

1038
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: a really shitty fuck it is shit machine. I'm gonna

1039
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: talk at linked about how shitty this machete is because

1040
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: I'm a man who likes his machetes. Right. I like

1041
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: large I enjoy using large knights in general, like the

1042
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: aesthetics of them, three in every room, in part because

1043
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: they're not a good weapon. You know what a good

1044
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: weapon is a fucking gun. But they are a really

1045
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: good tool. I used them. I used them just last weekend.

1046
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: I had to process a bunch of firewood when I

1047
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: was at camping. I've used them bushwhacking through thick brush.

1048
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: I've used them to repeatedly sever the heads of mid

1049
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: sized mammals when I'm slaughtering animals or processing roadkill because

1050
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: in Oregon, if you harvest roadkill, you have to turn

1051
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: the head into the state. Right. So I have a

1052
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 2: lot of experience using a wide variety of different large

1053
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: knives for the things that they are useful for. Right.

1054
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 2: The point is that I know what makes these tools

1055
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 2: useful and not, And in my opinion, Andrew is showing

1056
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: off among the shittiest machetes I have ever seen. To

1057
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: describe it for our listeners, right, it has a blade

1058
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 2: in the front and then a saw on the back,

1059
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: and then also in the middle of the blade, there

1060
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 2: are a bunch of rectangular cuts in the middle where

1061
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: there's no metal, just squares. I think I've seen this.

1062
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: I've seen several Machete Survival branded machetes like this where

1063
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: it's like it makes it lighter, and it's like, yeah,

1064
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: but it also makes it weaker, makes it a lot

1065
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: easier to break if you're using it for any of

1066
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: the tool purposes you want a machete for stuff gets

1067
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: caught in there. It's not something you want on a

1068
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: good solid tool. The other been thing about this is

1069
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: the fucking saw blade in the back. Let me tell

1070
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: you this right now, folks. There are certain times when

1071
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: combining a number of tools makes sense. A multi tool,

1072
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: right because it's small and it fits in your pocket,

1073
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: and there are a number of things and there's really

1074
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: no other way to have. But you would never choose

1075
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: to use the screwdriver on a multi tool over a

1076
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: full size screwl driver, or the saw blade on a

1077
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: multitool exact over a full size saw blade. But at

1078
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: least you can pop out the saw blade. When I

1079
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: processed a deer last year, I popped at the saw

1080
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: blade on my multi toool to carve the cut through

1081
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: the sternum, right, Like, there's a like a use for

1082
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: that kind of a thing. There is not a use

1083
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: for a saw blade on the back of a machete

1084
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: like this because it has a blade on both ends.

1085
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Speaker 2: What are you going to do to how are you

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00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,479
Speaker 2: going to get the Are you gonna grip the edge

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00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: of the front of the machete in order.

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Speaker 4: To saw Is that what you're going to do?

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00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: How are you going to hold what is the utility?

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00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: And a saw blade not a great weapon? Right, And

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00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: again there's this attitude again very errant, brought to us

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00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: by a lot of movies that like knives and long knives,

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00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: that like the way there's like arts to fighting with them,

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00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: and there are some like martial arts around knife fighting.

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00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: They are primarily for how they look and showing off.

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: If you look at how ninety nine percent of quote

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00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: unquote knife fights go, somebody with a blade literally throws

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00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: their body into the other person and stabs them fifty

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00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: to one hundred fucking times until they bleed out. That's

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00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: how people kill each other with fucking knives a lot

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Speaker 2: of the time.

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Speaker 5: Right. It is not.

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00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: It is not a an artisan's weapon. It is an

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00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: and both people usually wind up hideously cut. That is

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00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: how knives work as weapons. That is why you don't

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00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: want to rely on a knife as a weapon. They're

1107
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: not a good survival weapon. Right. They're great as tools,

1108
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: but not the one that he has. It's a dog

1109
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: shit tool. It's a tool for a fucking idiot. And

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Speaker 2: the only reason he is posing with this is not

1111
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: because he trusts it to protect himself. Cool to children, right,

1112
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: he went to children, and he has I've seen multiple videos,

1113
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: he claims, I have three in every room. I have

1114
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: seen this exact same machete and several different tape videos.

1115
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: It's always carefully posed, so you know it's there because

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00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: Andrew desperately needs fourteen year old boys to believe that

1117
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: he's scary. Here's a photo, so he's going to show you.

1118
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: I him sitting up in bed wearing sunglasses for some reason, shitless,

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00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: an unsheathed machete lying next to him over on the bed,

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Speaker 2: just on the bed.

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Speaker 3: And it makes very shitty fucking headboard in a shitty

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00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: fucking bedding, and his shitty fucking shirt lits his body

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00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 3: mary a machette, shitty fucking sunglasses, shitty fucking side table,

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00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: new shitty fucking curtains.

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Speaker 1: And a shitty fucking lighting and a shitty fucking existence. Sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got.

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00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: His primary audience is children. These are boys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just like he was like a woman

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00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 4: with a machete. I could think she couldn't do anything

1130
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: to me, Like I would like to take the chance.

1131
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: Man, take the chance, because you know what the thing

1132
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 2: about a knife is, if you get cut in the

1133
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: wrong place. It doesn't matter how big your muscles are, right,

1134
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't exactly that's what that's what weapons do, right,

1135
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: I don't know they're scary. Knives are scary, don't.

1136
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 4: Versus a pissed off woman with a machete, like I

1137
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 4: would like to see that.

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00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: Well, And just like, it's not the machete that's the

1139
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: most dangerous weapon. It's somebody who has like that fucking

1140
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: three or four inch blade concealed and they're next to you,

1141
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: and you turn your back and grab a drink and

1142
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: she jams you in the kidney eleven times. You know

1143
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: you're done, Like then you're fucking bleeding. Maybe you live,

1144
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 2: but you don't live. Well. Knives are scary, so again,

1145
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: shit like this, This is to impress little boys in

1146
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: primary school or secondary school whose primary knowledge of knives

1147
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: comes from fucking cartoons and action figures in comic books. Right.

1148
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: What I see here is a guy who bought a

1149
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: machete because he wanted purchased one that he thought was

1150
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: likely is to impress thirteen year old boys, right, But

1151
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: I should note that it's not just little boys that

1152
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: he is trying to impress. There is a secondary concern

1153
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: tied for that in his mind when he does stuff

1154
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: like this, and the secondary concern is much scarier. Will

1155
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: this this weapon? These things? I'm saying this way, I'm

1156
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: posing will this scare the mostly teenaged eighteen to nineteen

1157
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: year old and very young adult girls in their early

1158
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: twenties that I pick up in clubs and then later

1159
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: allegedly coerced into doing on camera sex work. Right. That

1160
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: is the second simultaneous reason that he does this because,

1161
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: as those allegations in the UK show, he needs a

1162
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: lot of what he does is based on them thinking

1163
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: he's dangerous. I'm gonna play you a video here where

1164
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: Tate answers the question. I mean a second video, right,

1165
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: like we just played that first one. This is a

1166
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: video of him giving a speech to some of the

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: war room guys being asked like, yeah, what if a

1168
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: woman catches you cheating?

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 6: Right?

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00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: And this is fairly famous. You've seen it on a

1171
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: lot of coverage.

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00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen it, yes, yeah, yah, yahdeo before. Yeah,

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00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 3: let's watch it. Yep, wait, yep, you've seen it before.

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00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: Trust Yeah, I'm sure I have.

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00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 4: Why is this tongue out?

1176
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Stress, stress, unpleasant, away, unpleasant?

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00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 4: You cut there you're cuting.

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 6: It's bang out the machete, boom in her face, you.

1179
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: Rip her up by the neck, the shaw bitch. Yeah,

1180
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: And now I will say I will say this is

1181
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: evidence that he owns a second machete, because that is

1182
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: a different machete and it doesn't have holes in it.

1183
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: So there you go.

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00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: But it also looks like it's from t Mouyah.

1185
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: Also, it looks like it's from Timu maybe bud k. Right. Again,

1186
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: the purpose of these weapons, of all of his posing

1187
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: with weapons, of all his threats about his power is

1188
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: to scare very young people or impress very young people, right,

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: because those are the folks who don't have the life

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: experience or the support to recognize or have any sort

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00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: of like way to feel like they can defend themselves

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00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: against him. Or you know, they're little boys who think

1193
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: he looks like a comic book character and that's what

1194
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: they want to be, right. Those are the those are

1195
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: his audience.

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00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: His tongue is a discussed I mean, everything about him

1197
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: just gives me.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that's part one of our Andrew Tay updates. I

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Speaker 2: hope you're all having fun that we will be back

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00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: to talk about his real weapons, the actual thing weapons,

1201
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: the only actual weapons I've seen him wiel competently, which

1202
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: is his his digital platform and his fame, which he

1203
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: is unfortunately quite good at.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, and you have anything you want to plug, uh,

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Speaker 2: listen to sixteenth minute by Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 4: It's a great show. I may or may not work

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00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 4: on it, and it's a good time. I do work.

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: Editor of that podcast.

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 4: And listen to Hood Politics. Prop is doing great work

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Speaker 4: over there. Yeah, and it's Yeah. So if you want

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00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 4: to stay informed and have fun while you're doing it,

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Speaker 4: take a listen to Hood Politics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Check out Hood Politics, check out anything else on

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Speaker 2: the internet besides more Andrew take will We'll.

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