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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from house stop

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Speaker 1: works dot com. Hey you welcome to stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I am

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Speaker 1: Christian Seger. Hey, Robert, I got a question for you.

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Speaker 1: Let's say you want to pick up a paper clip,

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Speaker 1: but it's just it's giving you a really hard time.

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Speaker 1: You know how sometimes paper clips it's difficult to get

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Speaker 1: your fingers around them and pick them up off of

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Speaker 1: the surface they're on. What is paper What a paper clips?

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Speaker 1: You know, the little metal, metal bendy things. Yes. So,

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Speaker 1: so now let me ask you this. You're having a

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Speaker 1: hard time picking up this paper clip. Would you cut

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Speaker 1: your finger open, put a magnet in there, suitre it

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Speaker 1: back up to make it easier to pick up that

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Speaker 1: paper clip? Probably not, because that that does not sound

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Speaker 1: like I'm making the process any easier. Yeah, but it

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Speaker 1: is kind of in human nature, the same way that

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Speaker 1: we we try and vacuum up something, and if the

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Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner is not picking it up, we will pick

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Speaker 1: the object up, look at it, and then place it

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Speaker 1: back on the carpet and then give it another go

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Speaker 1: with the vacuum. Right. Yeah, technology must succeed. It is

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Speaker 1: kind of like that. Yeah, so, uh, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about today at its very basic form. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about bio hacking in the present on the

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Speaker 1: road to transhumanism. Will explain what all that means. That

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Speaker 1: might have just been a bunch of gibberish to you

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Speaker 1: just now if you're unfamiliar with these movements, But that's

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Speaker 1: a real thing. People are really implanting magnets in their fingers, uh,

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Speaker 1: and they pick up paper clips and bottle caps with them.

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Speaker 1: But that's not really just why they're doing it. We'll

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about more about that later. Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look at some individuals who are either in

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Speaker 1: some cases pioneers of trans humanism, innovators who are going

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Speaker 1: out there hacking their bodies U upgrading their bodies with technology,

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Speaker 1: as well as individuals for kind of harbingers or even

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Speaker 1: profits of trans humanism who were who were engaging in

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Speaker 1: these acts, uh, to sort of comment on where we

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Speaker 1: are and where we can go with our technology. And

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Speaker 1: along the way, we're also going to define what trans

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Speaker 1: humanism is, discuss some of the different approaches to trans humanism,

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Speaker 1: the different uh, philosophies and mindsets that that entail it,

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Speaker 1: as well as us a general proposed checklist for how

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Speaker 1: we might know when we have become trans human as

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Speaker 1: a society exactly. Yeah, And so you know, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of you out there. Again, like if you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard of this before, you've probably got some pop

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Speaker 1: culture touchstones, and I'm sure Robert and I are going

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Speaker 1: for me, the first one I think of is American Mary,

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Speaker 1: the horror movie which you've seen right by the SOSCA sisters,

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Speaker 1: in which you know there's a lot of body modification

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Speaker 1: going on, but the body modification is sort of leading

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Speaker 1: to ard something more than human. Right. Also, I mentioned this,

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Speaker 1: uh in our Summer Reading episode. The graphic novel Junction

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Speaker 1: True is about stuff like this. Warren ellis a lot

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Speaker 1: of his comics and prose work is based on this

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Speaker 1: stuff like Black Summer, dr Sleepless Desolation Jones, and especially

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Speaker 1: trans Metropolitan are about uh, sort of moving towards a

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Speaker 1: trans humanist future and what the ethical I guess conflicts

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Speaker 1: and repercussions of that would be. And then for me,

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Speaker 1: there's this game it's a role playing game called The

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Speaker 1: actually played it one time with Joe McCormick, our host. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and basically the ideas you build your sort of trans

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Speaker 1: lines of the philosophies that we're going to present today. Yeah, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is of course, so this idea of just upgrading

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Speaker 1: a number of different role playing scenarios. There's all video

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Speaker 1: games where you're kind if you need to upgrade your character, well,

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Speaker 1: I play Fallout a lot, and there's plenty of bio

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Speaker 1: a bio hacking game. But those are science fiction. Today,

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Speaker 1: the science fiction examples are our key two because those serve,

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Speaker 1: and Uh. And in any of these ideas we discussed

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Speaker 1: I agree. Uh. And I want to kick things off

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Speaker 1: Very d I y approach, and they're less worried about

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Speaker 1: their health and more about sort of the innovation, the curiosity. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: claiming their body saying this is this is my form,

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Speaker 1: Health come second. Yep. So Okay, you're out there saying

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are talking about at all.

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Speaker 1: What is trans humanism? Well, the basic premises something like this, right,

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Speaker 1: we can improve being humans through technology and science, and

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Speaker 1: we're basically taking evolution into our own hands. Now, those

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Speaker 1: cyborg ism, Uh, this is gonna sound familiar, right if

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Speaker 1: there they touch on each other. There's a nice big

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Speaker 1: ven diagram of trans humanism and cyborgs. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: you know, essentially human evolution has has has long been

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Speaker 1: the way that we live as individuals. Now natural selection

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Speaker 1: the idea that the next phase of human evolution is

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Speaker 1: one of largely self guided technological scientific achievement. Now it is.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss exactly how that breaks down. Varies greatly, and

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Speaker 1: it runs the gamut from like fully semi androids, cybernetic

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Speaker 1: futuristic beings, uh you know that are essential essentially like

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Speaker 1: sometimes lofty ideas about just simply making society better, making

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Speaker 1: s Gene Roddenberry inspired uh utopia ideal. Yeah, And this

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Speaker 1: is you know, what. This is a good point where

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Speaker 1: is that you last week published a piece on how

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Speaker 1: stuff Works Now that was an experiment in looking at

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Speaker 1: a trans human cyborg future, uh, specifically along the lines

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Speaker 1: thank you. That one was a lot of fun to

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Speaker 1: Go look for Roberts piece which the Silva Dreams of

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Speaker 1: of the article? That's it's a question about what the

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Speaker 1: our trans human future like. I'll make sure that we

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Speaker 1: link to it on the landing page for this Episodeah,

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Speaker 1: you should, because it's great and it's really connected to

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Speaker 1: what we're doing here. Yeah. The thought experiment thing is

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Um, Former co host Julie Douglas also did one,

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Speaker 1: I haven't thought up of one yet. I think Julius

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Speaker 1: interesting had some cool illustration, So hopefully we'll see more

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Speaker 1: of these days. Uh. The thing about trans humanism, though,

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Speaker 1: For a long time, people have sought out ways to

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Speaker 1: change their bodies, in particular extending the human life. Right.

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Speaker 1: But what about things like, for instance, adding technology to

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Speaker 1: how to be telepathic by having science and technology connect

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about today. Now there's three categories,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to totally discount that argument, but

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's not a direct augmentation of the brain,

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Speaker 1: but we're we're making sure that we're we're almost painfully

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Speaker 1: transhumanists that are that are hyper focused on the idea

426
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Speaker 1: of longevity. And then there are singularitarianists and their ideas

427
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: that technological singularities coming. The machines are gonna outpace this.

428
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: Let's get ready, it's inevitable. Yeah, all we can do

429
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: is prepare ourselves and try and steer the course. Cosmism

430
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: is on here too, and that's actually something that I've

431
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: been thinking about proposing that we do for a future episode.

432
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: I know that there was some kind of cosmism that

433
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: was working its way around Russian science thought earlier in

434
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: the century that might be fun to explore. Yeah, this

435
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: there's that. This is a slightly different thing that arises

436
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: from the work of AI researcher Hugo did Garis, and

437
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: he's a very interesting dude and of himself. I mean,

438
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: he's retired now, but he predicted a war against machines

439
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: that were resulting numerous mega deaths, like essentially matrix kind

440
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: of world. Okay, Yeah, So he has this, he has

441
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: this whole philosophy uh laying out and it involves this

442
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: idea that um that you're gonna have the cosmists and

443
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the terrans who oppose uh, you know,

444
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: upgrading humans and becoming this this trans human force and

445
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: essentially the trans humanists are going to have to leave

446
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: the planet and the others are gonna have to stay.

447
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: Um people a little more complicated than that, but that's

448
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: sort of the basics. Well, that sounds like something that

449
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: might be worth revisiting in the future. And if anybody

450
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: out there knows more about that too, because I found

451
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: when just doing kind of basic research on it, it

452
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: wasn't widely available. Um, let us know, stuff to blow

453
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: your mind at how stuff works? Sorry, uh, blow the

454
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: mind at how stuff works dot com? Uh, and let

455
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: us know if you've got some opinions on that. Yeah.

456
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: So those are some of the basic philosophies floating around

457
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: in the heads of individuals who start down this trans

458
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: humanist path and get into this body modification, bio hacking realm.

459
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: So this all brings up a question that I want opposed.

460
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not one that we answer now. It might

461
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: just be a rhetorical question or's something to think about

462
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: as we go through the rest of the episode. With

463
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: all these types of trans humanism, regardless of its religious

464
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: or philosophical or whatever, is it ethical and so. And

465
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: the reason why I ask is because there are some

466
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: people who compare trans humanism to eugenics as being some

467
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of division between superior and inferior versions of humanity,

468
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: where one person is superior to another. And I guess

469
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: that's something that we should consider as we're going forward. Um,

470
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: and and especially in the case of like you know,

471
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: like we're saying, like, if there's like a I guess,

472
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: like a capitalist faction of trans humanists and only the

473
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: rich have access to biomodifications that prolong their life, is

474
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: that ethical? I think there's a strong argument that it's not.

475
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you can already look at at the highest

476
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: level of medical care is essentially a transhumanist endeavor, and

477
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: it is not available to everyone. So it's kind of uh,

478
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: it wasn't that sort of the premise behind Elysium, that movie,

479
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: the Neil blom Camp movie. Oh yeah, yeah, with the

480
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: rich people in Orbit and everyone else is on Earth. Yeah,

481
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: and like they didn't always have access. The people on

482
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: Earth did always have access to like the medical benefits

483
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: that they had. What was there, Like there's like some

484
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: kind of machine that you could just climb in and

485
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: wold like cure cancer or something. Yeah, and that's what

486
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: I think the whole plot was based on. There was

487
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: an interesting film, a bit a bit heavy handed. Yeah,

488
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: and it also kind of like went off the rails

489
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I kind of like it. I

490
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: know most people were upset by it after blomb Camp's

491
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: work on District nine, but I thought it was okay. Yeah,

492
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: I think he He even admits though that he he

493
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: would have he wished he could have had more time

494
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: writing it than he wasn't able to get the script

495
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: exactly where he wanted it, but it's still a wonderful world.

496
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him potentially revisited even Yeah, yeah,

497
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: that would be interesting. So we're getting into body modification

498
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: bio acting, and I do want to just just briefly

499
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: mentioned that when you look at ways that we have

500
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: we have always altered the human form, you can sort

501
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: of look at three basic areas. They're sort of symbolic

502
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: um body modification figuring in terms of, you know, stuff

503
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: that's even superficial, like altering one's hair, altering one's nails,

504
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: and then getting into the you know, tattoos and other

505
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: things that are more permanent but still you're not altering

506
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: um the form too much. Then you have things that

507
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: are certainly altering the form more, and then things that

508
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: are actually altering the functionality of the human body. And

509
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: that's where we we really see some of the more

510
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: interesting examples of modern body modification with the trans humanist spent. Yeah. So,

511
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: like examples of altering the form would be like subdermal

512
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: or transdermal implants, which we have a really great article

513
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: on how stuff works about in our team put together

514
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: this fascinating infographic on how the whole like surgical process works.

515
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: But again, that's not sort of evolving you into another

516
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: stage of humanity's enhancing you. Yeah, but like even even

517
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: wearing clothes is a is a body modification and an

518
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: enhancement of who you are. You are your physical manifestation.

519
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: But it's certainly it's not necessarily changing the form or

520
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: changing the function. And what we're basically going to be

521
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: talking about here for the rest of the episode is

522
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: bio hacking. Uh. And it's called that for a reason

523
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: because it's the d I Y version. You get out

524
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: your own tools and upgrade your body yourself. Bio hackers

525
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: ask why should we wait for the industry or for

526
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: the government to catch up to our way of thinking.

527
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: Let's democratize science and do this to ourselves. Right, And

528
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: we're already seeing versions of this, from everything to people

529
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: wearing smart watches and other wearable devices to the really

530
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: extreme stuff that we're gonna talk about today. The inspiration,

531
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: as with many of the philosophies that Robert just mentioned,

532
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: is basically to create and discover. It's that human urge

533
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: to continuously innovate. And we're gonna talk about people like

534
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Warwick and left anonem that I mentioned earlier. These

535
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: are well known bio hackers, but there are also community

536
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: labs that work on this stuff too. They're basically either

537
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: doing this in their kitchen or in some kind of

538
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: body parlor. Uh, and they're working together as a community

539
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: to share their information and their resources. Some are building

540
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: wearables that they hope that they'll eventually implant. Right. So,

541
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: for instance, like, there's a hat out there that electrically

542
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: stimulates the prefrontal cortex that you can wear. But what

543
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: if you took that the step further and you were

544
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: able to install that into your head. Uh. There's an

545
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: anklet that vibrates in the direction of due north. And

546
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: I know from the research that anonem is actually one

547
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: of the people who's talking about actually building that and

548
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: putting it in her knee so that her knee will

549
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: be able to tell her where due north is would

550
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: be helpful if you get lost a lot, I would assume, yeah, uh,

551
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: other dabblings that we're not going to go into full

552
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: depth here on our for instance, modifying mouth bacteria so

553
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: that it eats plaque and instead recalcifies our gums, or

554
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: inserting organisms into our water that detect arsenic or bacteria

555
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: that you eat that kill tumor cells. Okay, so these

556
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: are all things that are on the table. Yeah. I

557
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: mean when you get into the synthetic biology realm, which

558
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: I think we touched on some of these previous did Yeah,

559
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: that's entirely different sphere of trans humanist body improvement. It

560
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: takes place at the smallest level, and it's all possible

561
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: because the tools are getting cheaper and more accessible. Think

562
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: of it like this. Instead of having a local bike

563
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: coop where you all get together and you work on

564
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: your bicycles together and make sure that you know share resources,

565
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: these folks are having a local biohacker coop where they're

566
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: sharing resources and information on how to do this stuff safely. Uh,

567
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: and what they're getting out of it, and and we're

568
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna dive into all of But remember this

569
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: is also sidestepping academia in a big way. It's getting

570
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: rid of the stuffy methodology for a faster but also

571
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: riskier application. There are there's dangers here when you when

572
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: you're just like cutting yourself open and shoving stuff in

573
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: your body. Yeah, I mean this is self experimentation and

574
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: and mad science if it is yeah, uh and and

575
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to just throw this out there, especially going

576
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: back to the idea of the government getting involved. I'd

577
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: say we're one major accident away from this getting a

578
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: lot of attention from the media and the government getting

579
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: involved and regulating what you can do with your body

580
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: in terms of technology or certainly you're one new story

581
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: about this is what the kids are doing exactly? Yeah,

582
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah, always think of the children. If if if

583
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: kids start doing this, then there's gonna be a lot

584
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: of scrutiny on it. Then what happens does it go underground?

585
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's already a subculture, but like does it

586
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: become like an illegal underground where people are modifying our

587
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: bodies secretly. I don't know, but we'll have to keep

588
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: an eye out for it. Yeah. And by the way,

589
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: I want to add this too, because of the efforts

590
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: of body modifiers, transdermal implants now have impacts on our medicine. Uh.

591
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: There are examples where you can use them to create

592
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: chemotherapy ports that run directly into your veins while you're

593
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: getting cancer treatment. Uh. There's also transdermal implants that are

594
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: anchored directly into bone for prosthetic limbs. And some scientists

595
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: are even looking into animal horns as natural transdermals that

596
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: can be inserted and they won't be rejected by the

597
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: body because of infection. And that's something we're gonna talk

598
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: about a lot more when we get into the specifics here. Yes,

599
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: stell Arc this is this is the guy that I've

600
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: been fascinated with for for years, and certainly he's been

601
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: he's been around for quite a while. He was born

602
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: in forty six and had his name legally changed to

603
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: Stollac in nine two. He is a performance artist and

604
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: Australian performance artist and you have probably seen images of

605
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: one project or another of his over the years, because

606
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: they often are extreme enough to capture mainstream media. I mean,

607
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I did not know his name, but I knew about

608
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: the ear Thing, and I think, well, go on ahead.

609
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I think he's had some influence on our pop culture too. Yeah,

610
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: he uh, I mean, the guy is essentially feels like

611
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: he stepped out of William Gibson novel because if you

612
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: if you see an interview with him and hear him

613
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: talk about his work, he is a like a very

614
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: thick Australian accent that it feels like it would be

615
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: more in keeping with just almost like a backwoodsie like

616
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: down to earth kind of guy, especially now as an older,

617
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: older man. He might seem just like it was just

618
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: an older Australian dude. And I think didn't didn't Motherboard

619
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: do like a documentary on him or something like that? Pervice. Yeah,

620
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: so if you really want to see him in action,

621
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: you can probab watch that. Yeah. Yeah, he's and uh

622
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: he comes off pretty uh pretty down to earth even

623
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: in one off in one of these interviews, he's also

624
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: hooked up to a large mechanical spider body because he's

625
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: also been and he's long been involved with some pretty

626
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: extreme stuff. Between between seventy six and eighty eight, he

627
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: completed twenty five different hook body Suspicion performances. So now

628
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: that seems to be kind of like the groundwork of

629
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: his body modification slash performance art world. Yeah, and this

630
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: is the one that I think, uh, I have to

631
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: imagine that the people who made that movie The Cell,

632
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: the character of Vincent Dinofrio must have been inspired by

633
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: a stell Arc in some way, because I don't know

634
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: if you remember, but he was hanging from hooks a

635
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: lot in that movie. That was like part of Oh yeah,

636
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: I forgot about that aspect of that. That movie is

637
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: pretty loaded with stimuli. Yeah. Um so, so from here

638
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: he engaged on a whole string of projects that involved

639
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: it basically came back to his is his thesis, right, yeah,

640
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: which is essentially, we're progressively extending ourselves into our environment

641
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: through technological artifacts. Sounds like trans humanism to me. Uh

642
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: So his argument is that we're making ourselves both cyborgs

643
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: and zombies by doing this. Yeah. So, so many of

644
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: these projects they're they're not necessarily about Hey, I'm doing

645
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: this thing with my body and technology that's useful but

646
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: it's more about a comment on what we are already

647
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: doing and what we will be doing. So just to

648
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: run through some of his projects here, he did the

649
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: third arm project. This was a grasping and risk rotating

650
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: mechanism with the rudimentary sense of touch that was attached

651
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: to him and activated by e MG from other body areas.

652
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: He uh, he had, he has this, He had his

653
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: stomach sculpture and this one I read almost killed him. Yeah,

654
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: there were this is certainly he's all about getting into

655
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: that area where health comes second to the art, to

656
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: the technology. But this was the thing that was into

657
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: scopic went down his throat into gopic cameras. It would

658
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: open up like a like a metallic flower and then

659
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: there would be a light and a lot of this

660
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: was you know, conceptual. You know that the stomach is

661
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: a dark, lightless place that with this technology there's light

662
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: and movement in there where otherwise there would not be

663
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: um And yeah, fortunately it did not kill him. There

664
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: was an exoskeleton project that he did and this involved

665
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: like these this large array of pneumatic spider like legs,

666
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: this big walking machine that that he kind of sat

667
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of and allowed him to control the

668
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: machine through arm juicers. He essentially looked like a like

669
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: a spider man villain and yeah, very dark, thinking of

670
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: those what are the dn D monsters dried? Yeah, yeah,

671
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: that did look a lot like centaurs with spider bodies. Yeah.

672
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: He also did a few different performances fractal flesh, pink body,

673
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: and parasite and these explored involuntary and remote uh internet

674
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: choreography for the body with electrical stimulator stimulation of the muscle,

675
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: so essentially outsourcing his movements to direct control via the Internet. Um.

676
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: He did a project with his partner Nina Sellers where

677
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: they took essentially they took different biomaterials such as um,

678
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: subcutaneous fat, peripheral nerves extracted from both of their bodies,

679
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: put them in this uh, this slurry and this pressurized

680
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: tank and then it just kind of gets um blended

681
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: up periodically. Yeah. Um. And then what do they do

682
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: with it afterwards? Oh? You just you just kind of

683
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: look at it. Okay. I thought I was thinking it

684
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: would be like Ghostbusters too, where they like put it

685
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: into like those uh squirt guns maybe squirted on ghosts. Now,

686
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: I think this one was more about like like bodily identity,

687
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: and I would happened to be taken like this mass

688
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: is still human if it's just this Yeah, yeah, this

689
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: is this one was probably one of the more grotesque creations,

690
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: but it depends, like us, where you stand on his

691
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: most famous work the third year. So this and we

692
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: touched on this a little bit in a previous episode.

693
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: But this involved taking a bio compatible scaffolding surgically inserting

694
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: it into his left forearm. And this happened in two

695
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: thousand six, creating the shape of an ear, and then

696
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: over the in the years to follow, additional surgeries after

697
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: they found the surgeons willing to do it, uh to

698
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: to form this out even more. And I don't think

699
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: they still need to add an earlobe to it. Yeah,

700
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: and I think we should clarify here. He has just

701
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: added the shape of an ear to his arm. And

702
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: the way that we described va grown organs as being

703
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: sort of framed by scaffolds, this is not a functional

704
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: ear on his arm. No, it's it's not his actual ear,

705
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: but but creating the form of the ear on the arm.

706
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: And then the big plan is to have a microphone

707
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: in there that is connected to the Internet, so that

708
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: allows the ear to hear, so that you might be

709
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: able to say, go to his webs sight and then

710
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: listen through his artificial ear. It has not come to

711
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: fruition just yet. There was a previous attempt to install

712
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: the microphone and there was an infection and they kind

713
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: of had to scrap that. But my understanding is that

714
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: he's currently moving towards getting a second attempt and this

715
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: time hopefully it will stick. He needs to kickstart that.

716
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if Australia. Yeah, surely he gets a

717
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: lot of he gets a lot of funding. Where is

718
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: he getting the funding from, like like like a private

719
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: equity or is it like from grants or something different?

720
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: Grants Like he's he's been the artist in residents at

721
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: various universities um so. And also I feel like maybe

722
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: he's like general generationally, maybe he's not as into the

723
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: kickstarter culture, but probably not, but I could see this

724
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: being a highly successful Kickstarter or they stellar Patreon account. Yeah,

725
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: you get to you get to listen to his ear

726
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: arm for an hour every day if you chip on

727
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: ten dollars a month. But it's it's an example of

728
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: how the project is a is commentary on where we

729
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: are with the technology, how interconnected we are, and what

730
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: are the you know, what are the limits of my

731
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: body as identity once we get all this technology involved.

732
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: So he's one of those those guys that just throughout

733
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: his career he has he has been kind of an avatar,

734
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: kind of a harbinger of trans humanism, exemplifying things that

735
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: are kind of scary and inhuman about what's possible, but

736
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: also highlighting where we are already. Yeah, so there's a

737
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: couple other bio artists that I want to cover before

738
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: we get into real like bio hackers. Stellarc is, you know,

739
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: essentially doing art with his body modification, but he's not

740
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: necessarily trying to take his body to like the next

741
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: level of human evolution. Uh. I guess you could say,

742
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: like the third arm might function that way, but but

743
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: having an ear on your arm isn't necessarily going to

744
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: give you that much of an advantage, right, He he

745
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: is an artist first and foremost. But there's this great

746
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: Ionine article on the topic, and so I just wanted

747
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: to cover a real quickly. A couple of these ones

748
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: that were listed in here. The first was Orlan, who

749
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: is a bioartist that uses cosmetic surgery to transform her

750
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: face into different forms with elements of famous paintings, So

751
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: that sounds interesting. There's Jennifer Genesis Briar p Oorridge, not Porridge.

752
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: This is a person who explores gender, occultism and sex work.

753
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: They did something called Project Pandrogeny with his wife, Lady

754
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: j where they tried to create an amalagam of their

755
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: two bodies together. They underwent breast implants and other physical

756
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: alterations to basically get closer to being the same being. Yeah,

757
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: she Lady Jay sadly died in two thousand seven, But

758
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: there's a very well received documentary came out in two

759
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven called The Ballot of Genesis and Lady

760
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: j Um. If you want to know more about that project,

761
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: check that out. But Genesis po Orage in general is

762
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: a pretty important figure just in the history of industrial music.

763
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: If you're familiar with Robbing Gristle, Psyche tv um, just

764
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: a very influential artist. Okay. Eduardo cac was also listed there,

765
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: And this is a person who took the Book of Genesis,

766
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: translated it into Morris Code, and converted it into base

767
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: pairs of Genetics This sounds familiar because we talked about

768
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: showing that in one of our recent episodes, but not

769
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: with Genesis. It was a different book. Uh. Then they

770
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: implanted the genes into bacteria. He also created a green

771
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: fluorescent rabbit named Alba. Uh. And this is something we've

772
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: talked about on the show before too. If you take

773
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: the green fluorescent protein that's found in certain jellyfish and

774
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: you and plant it in other animals, it turns out

775
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: you can make them also biofluorescent. So we did that

776
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: to a rabbit. Natasha Vita Moore. Her best work is

777
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: Primo post Human, which shows a futuristic version of the

778
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: human form that is overcoming disease and aging. So kind

779
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: of more along those immortality lines of trans humanism. Uh.

780
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: She proposes, I don't believe that this is something that

781
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: was actually built. I think this is a sort of

782
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: sci fi proposal, an outer sheath of smart skin that

783
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: would be both It would have design and communication purposes.

784
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: It's also going to be engineered to self repair with nanobots,

785
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: both the epidermis and dermis, and it would tell the

786
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: brain the texture and tone of the surface required on it.

787
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: It would also alter your body's temperature, tell you the

788
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: percentage of toxins in your surrounding environment, and extract radiation

789
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: effects from the sun. Now this sounds like bio hacking

790
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: if it was real. Yes, though without knowing a lot

791
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: about the project, I have to say that a number

792
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: of the things that the second skin does the the

793
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: the actual skin already. So yeah, you're not getting any

794
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: superpowers from this one. Like it already self repairs, it

795
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: already absorbs energy from the sun. Um you know, it

796
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: already regulates my temperature. You get into problems when you

797
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: cover that up. But that's a separate tangent. Yep uh.

798
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: There's also Micah Cardinas. In two thousand and eight, she

799
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: performed Becoming the Dragon, which was a three hundred and

800
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: sixty five hour mixed reality performance that took place in

801
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: Second life. That's why it was in two thousand and eight,

802
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: because I don't think much people many people would watch

803
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: a performance in second life. In sixteen, she took the

804
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: form of a dragon in there and basically lived her

805
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: life as a dragon in second life, and that was

806
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: part of it. So that's a it's a little more

807
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: virtual than of what a lot of these other people

808
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: are doing and The last one listed here is Amy Mullins,

809
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: who is a paralympian athlete. She collaborated with a fashion

810
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: designer named Alexander McQueen project and yeah he's great. Yeah,

811
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: so he basically built her. She she her legs were

812
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: amputated when she was one year old. Uh so he

813
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: built out hand carved wooden prosthetics that had integral boots

814
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: connected to them and built those out for her to

815
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: pose in. So those are the art versions of this.

816
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: But then we've got a whole another group of trans

817
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: human pioneers, and these are the These are the bio

818
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: hackers that are really looking at ways to build things

819
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: into their bodies that give them more than human perception

820
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: would allow. So functional trans humanism over symbolic transhumanism exactly. Okay,

821
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: So let's start with probably one of the most infamous

822
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: bio hackers, known as Captain Cyborg. His real name is

823
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Warwick. Warwick In launched the first phase of what

824
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: he called Project Cyborg, and he designed and r F

825
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: implant to perform basic tests like basically use a signal

826
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: to open remote controled doors or control lights in his home.

827
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: It's basically like it sounds like he had nest in

828
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: his arm right like, Uh, he could send commands to

829
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: computers with it. Surgeons inserted a glass capsule that contains

830
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: several microprocessors into his body. Phase two of this project, Cyborg,

831
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: began in two thousand and two. Warwick installed an array

832
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: of electrodes directly into his nervous system to monitor the

833
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: activity at his median nerve. As a result, he was

834
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: able to control a robotic arm with mental action alone.

835
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: He also implanted these in his his wife, Arena, and

836
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: he wanted to see if they could record their sensory

837
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: experiences together, including pain, pleasure, and sex. Uh. They didn't

838
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: reveal what the results of that were, but they could

839
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: correctly identify one another's nerve signals percent of the time.

840
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of interesting. Um, there's a lot of

841
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: interviews with this guy. He's all over the place. He's

842
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: a interesting figure. He's also pretty public about the work

843
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: that he's doing. And he said in a w magazine

844
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: interview that his primary interest was in this one so

845
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: he could come up with electric electronic procedures to combat

846
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: diseases like Parkinson's blindness, arthritis in schizophrenia. But too he

847
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: wanted to upgrade humans to be able to do pretty

848
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: much anything. Sounds like trans humanism to me. He's also

849
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: had some involvement in attempts to beat the Turing test.

850
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: You might remember this from a couple of years ago,

851
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: the infamous example where Eugene the computer program was basically

852
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: celebrated as having finally beaten the Touring test. If you're

853
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: unfamiliar with the Touring test, the idea is basically that

854
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: a computer program would be able to trick a human

855
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: into thinking they were talking to a human and not

856
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: a computer. So yeah, he was involved in that. Lately,

857
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: he's been talking about ways to increase the number of

858
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: neurons in the human brain because he thinks that our

859
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: brains are getting bored. Uh, and he wants to connect

860
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: brains and incubators to robots. He claims he's actually working

861
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: together with one of his students on a learning, living

862
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: brain that's connected to a robot body via bluetooth. So

863
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: that sounds fun. It sounds like uh. In Fallout, like

864
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier, there's these robots called robot brains,

865
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: and they're just these like kind of clunky, lunch box

866
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: looking robots. But there their CPU is a brain in

867
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: a job seeing. But now you don't have to have

868
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: the your brain in a jar on bot. Your your

869
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: RoboCop too can be empowered from the next ram. Yeah, exactly. UM.

870
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: There are others who have sort of sprung off of

871
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: Warwick's research. So, for instance, in two thousand four, there

872
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: was an experiment inspired by him to use electronic implants

873
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: to enable basic communication between two people's nervous systems. Brown

874
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: University also developed rechargeable neurotransmitters to communicate from human bodies

875
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: to external devices. They hope that this will allow humans

876
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: to communicate telepathically with multiple nervous systems. I can tell

877
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: you we're spoilers. We're gonna get into this later. That

878
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: has happened. Uh and and act Uh. It was a

879
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: team of international researchers who did this. They've built the

880
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: first human to human interface. And in front of us,

881
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: Robert and I have this and I suggest that you

882
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: go look it up. It was it's part of a

883
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: really good article on this that was on Extreme Tech

884
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: called the first human brain to brain interface has been created.

885
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: In the future, we will all be linked telepathically. UH.

886
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: And what we're looking at here is basically how it works. Um. So,

887
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: one researcher attached a brain computer interface to themselves and

888
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: they were in India and they were able to send

889
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: words into the brain of a researcher who was in France,

890
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: and that person was wearing a computer to brain interface.

891
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: So what we're talking about here is essentially telepathy. But

892
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: how does it work. It's not like you're hearing their

893
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: thoughts right, Basically, you're moving data. You're putting it into

894
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: someone else's brain. Uh. And the B c I uses

895
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: an electro and cephalogram. The c b I uses a

896
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: transcranial magnetic stimulation rig something that's very similar to the

897
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: transcranial magnetic stimulation that we've talked about on this show

898
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: and many other has to have worked shows before. It's

899
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of an obsession around here. The idea of blasting

900
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: your brain with electricity to maybe get smarter kind of

901
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: works the same way the words getting coded into binary

902
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: they're transmitted and then translated back to the recipient's visual cortex.

903
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: They then see flashes of light uh, and it triggers

904
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: their body to produce phosphene that makes this light appear

905
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: to them. So basically, it's like Morris code, like this

906
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: flashing light that only your eyes see. So that's you know,

907
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like, oh, well that's not that big of

908
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: a deal, but they're doing this from India to France.

909
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: It's kind of a big deal. Uh. It's basically brain

910
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: to brain Morse code essentially once they're translating it. Yeah,

911
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: and this is something that even in this this small example,

912
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: even in just the what's what's provable and doable today,

913
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: it it alters our perceptions of what it means to

914
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: be a singular human entity. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean

915
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: I think this is really where a lot of trans

916
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: humanists would like to see this go, right, is a uh,

917
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: it's using technology to be able to improve both our

918
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: senses but also our understandings of ourselves, uh, changing what

919
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: we mean by identity all that stuff. So certainly if

920
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: you're able to communicate with one another, even just through

921
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: Morris code without speaking, that would I would be a

922
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: step forward in that direction. Then we have a few

923
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: different versions of the eyeborg. Yeah. So the one I

924
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: read about was an artist named Neil Harbison, and he

925
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: went to the hospital and and basically said, hey, can

926
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: you help install this stuff in me. I'm color blind.

927
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to be able to detect colors. So he

928
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: used this device called the eyeborg that translates colors into

929
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: vibrations in his skull that he can subsequently here. So

930
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: to me, sounds like trans human synastasia basically, yeah, taking

931
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: taking one form of sense day to transforming it into another,

932
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: enabling them to experience these colors through uh, through bone

933
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: conduction of sound waves. Yeah, but you have other eyeborg

934
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: applications here too. Well, yeah, there's there's one other main one,

935
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: and that's uh that has to do with this guy,

936
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: Rob Spence, Canadian film director, and he uh sustained permanent

937
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: damage to his right eye, and in two thousand nine

938
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: he hooked up with camera provider Omnivision as well as

939
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: a group of engineers, first ocularist Phil Bowen, then engineer

940
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: uh Coasta Grammatis, and then electrical engineer Martin Ling to

941
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: replace his prosthetic prosthetic eye with a functional digital video camera. Interesting,

942
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: I wonder if some of our guys here in our

943
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: video production team would be willing to do that, if

944
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: they're willing to give up an eye, and uh, they

945
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: have some talented individuals to because one of the problems

946
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: is then you have to try and fit everything in

947
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: to that eye ball um space. Yeah. Yeah, and it's

948
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's fairly sounds like a cenobyte, Yeah,

949
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: one of those. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a task that

950
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: you have to you have to pull off without the

951
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: individual looking like a cinabyte. Yeah. Um, well, given and

952
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: harder with two thousand nine technology and technologies come along life. Yeah,

953
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say, is like, given how

954
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: small the video cameras in our phones are nowadays, that's

955
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be that hard. So he was able to

956
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: to do to do this, to replace his prosthetic eye

957
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: with a functional digital video camera uh, touted as quote

958
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: the world's first literal point of view, uh, including glancing

959
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: around and blinking. Wow. Yeah. And he's on Twitter, he's

960
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: uh you can follow his efforts here his ongoing efforts

961
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: with the with the ibor project. He's on Twitter as

962
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: Iyborg and his website is eyeborg project dot tv. Okay,

963
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: so I'm imagining he does like a lot of periscope events,

964
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: but on fortunately in his periscopes you can't see him.

965
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: You just see what he sees. Yeah. I mean, well,

966
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: there's something beautiful in the idea, right that you you

967
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: take this injury and then you turn it into something

968
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: that actually enables your passion, enables your career. Yeah, exactly,

969
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: And I think that that's a lot of what trans

970
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: humanists are looking to do, or bio hackers are looking

971
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: to do, you know, like especially like come up with

972
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: ways for the quote disabled to be able to operate

973
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: in almost uh enhanced fashion, right, Yeah, which brings us

974
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: to Jerry je Lava Uh, a finished software developer who

975
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine lost half his index finger in

976
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: a motorcycle accident. So if he was working with the

977
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: with with doctors to get a prosthesis there, he did

978
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: what came natural, do you? Uh? You simply have a

979
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: USB drive there in the end of your your new

980
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: artificial finger, so you can just remove the cap from

981
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: the end of your finger and you have USB drives.

982
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: So he's got all of his data. I hope it's

983
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: a good USB drive though, like one of those ones

984
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: with a couple of gigs. It's not like one of

985
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: those cheap OH ones that have He's got like a

986
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: couple of MP three's in his finger. At the time

987
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: it was a two gigabyte storage drive. I can only

988
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: imagine being a software developer that he has he has

989
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: far more storage capacity now if he still has kept

990
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: with it, hopefully modifiable, and he can just keep putting

991
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: new ones in as the technology improves. Yeah, so then

992
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of neat. It's also kind

993
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: of it's it's kind of spy movief, the idea of

994
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: inserting your finger into a computer. Yeah. Yeah, And I

995
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: think also it's like the USB drive comes out because

996
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: because once you sort of break to break it down,

997
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: it's not very practical to just set there because he

998
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: only got one hand operate the mouse and the keyboard.

999
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: But I can only imagine it it played well at

1000
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: parties and the bar trick like, hey, you want to

1001
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: see my USB drive. Well, speaking of fingers and party tricks,

1002
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: let's talk about subdermal magnetism. So this is what I

1003
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: insinuated or implied at the beginning of the episode with

1004
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: the idea of installing tiny magnets into your fingertips. Uh,

1005
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: this is a thing that a lot of people have done.

1006
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: The magnets are coated with materials I couldn't exactly figure

1007
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: out what the materials were that they're coated with. But

1008
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: this seems to be a common thing so that the

1009
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: magnets aren't rejected by your body. And the hackers say

1010
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: that this provides them with a sixth sense that allows

1011
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: them to feel magnetic fields. It creates basically sensations in

1012
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: their fingertips. Uh. And as I said at the top

1013
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: of the episode, you can pick up paper clips and

1014
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: bottle caps basically. Um. And I do find the paper

1015
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: clip thing hilarious because such an outdated thing for trans

1016
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: human is to be messing well. And one of the

1017
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: guys was even saying that, like, I think his broke,

1018
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: like the magnet itself like broke apart in his finger,

1019
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: and then the mag pieces kind of came back together

1020
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: again naturally over time, but the magnetism was weaker. He's like,

1021
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: I can only pick up small paper clips now. I

1022
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: used to be able to pick up large paper clips,

1023
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: but no longer. But there is something else to this.

1024
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: It's not just the paper clips. They're really interested in

1025
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: the sensory stuff. But big warning right up front, do

1026
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: not do this and then climb into an m r

1027
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I machine, because it will rip the magnets right out

1028
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: of your fingers. Also, airport security is problematic. If you're

1029
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: walking through airport security and you've got magnets built into

1030
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: your figer fingers, it's going to mess things up. Yeah.

1031
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: Trying to explain to the t s A. Agents that

1032
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: you are a trans human um and you have magnets

1033
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: and plant in your body, I can only imagine that's

1034
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: just gonna lead to more delays. Absolutely, So I pulled

1035
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: up a couple of different articles on this that we're interesting.

1036
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: Gizmotos really covered it in depth. They actually had a

1037
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: piece by Dan Berg on Gizmoto where he shared his

1038
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: experience of having one of these implanted into his pinky finger.

1039
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: He was initially wary after seeing the early prototypes and

1040
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: what they did when they broke down and corroded inside

1041
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: somebody's finger. He goes through the procedure pretty clearly, he says,

1042
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: and this is a direct quote from him. My finger

1043
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: was marked in two places where the magnet was going

1044
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: to go, as well as the incision spot around a

1045
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: quarter to a half an inch away from the final

1046
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: resting spot for the magnet. His body modifier then made

1047
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: the incision with a scalpel, used a tissue elevator to

1048
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: separate that tissue, slid the magnet into place, and sealed

1049
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: the incision with surgical glue. Next, a bit of tissue

1050
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: compression went on. They wrapped his finger up and he

1051
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: was on his way. He said it took fifteen to

1052
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: twenty minutes total. However, it took him months before his

1053
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: finger regained full sensation. But he was noticing vibrations from

1054
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: magnetic fields, primarily in cash registers, microwaves, and laptop fans.

1055
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: He also noticed that when he handled other magnets, the

1056
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: magnet in his finger would flip uncomfortably. He said. It

1057
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: wasn't painful, but it was uncomfortable. Uh. He said this

1058
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: especially happened with the speakers and his iPad because those

1059
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: are magnetized. Uh. Over the years, he noted too, that

1060
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: the magnet in his finger has lost strength. Huh. You

1061
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: gotta have a certain amount of confidence in what you're

1062
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: doing too. Yeah, I I definitely think so. I can't

1063
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: imagine doing this myself. Um, it sounds intriguing the idea

1064
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: of having the sort of magnetic sense, but I don't

1065
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: know that I would want to go through the process. Uh.

1066
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: Then Ionine and Gizmodo. They also talked with Eric Boyd

1067
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: who's at hack Lab in Toronto, which is one of

1068
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: these bio hacking sort of community centers, and he says,

1069
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, he clarifies, this is more about sensory augmentation.

1070
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: It's not about the party tricks of pick picking up

1071
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: paper clips. It's useful for people, especially who work with

1072
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: electronics because they can feel the difference between live and

1073
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: dead wires. He mentions a group called Grindhouse wet Wear

1074
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: that I'm going to come back to later. Uh, there

1075
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: were working on a device called bottle nose that fits

1076
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: over your finger if you've got one of these magnetic implants,

1077
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: and it augments the experience further. It could, for instance,

1078
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: since infrared, it can also transmit information through vibrations, or

1079
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: it could be used to measure distances as a ranging device.

1080
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: It's supposedly safest if you're going to get the magnetic

1081
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: implementation to do so on your ring finger, on your

1082
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: non dominant hand, because it is quote your least useful finger.

1083
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: So apparently, like if you have to choose, like if

1084
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: you're in like a game throne situation and somebody's gonna

1085
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: cut off one of your fingers. If you have to choose,

1086
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: the ring finger on your least dominant hand is the

1087
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: best one to go because it has the least to

1088
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: do with gripping action. Interesting. So, but you also have

1089
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: to be careful that this is not placed between uh,

1090
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: your touch surface and the bone, because if you're like

1091
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: in an emergency situation where like, let's say you fell

1092
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: off of something, you have to grip it really hard, right,

1093
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: it would crush the magnet, So it's usually embedded on

1094
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: the inside corner of the finger. Also note that the

1095
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: body artists who performed this, they're not allowed to use

1096
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: anesthesia because they don't have licensing for that. So it's

1097
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: real painful. Uh. And the basically all they can do

1098
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: is put your hand in ice water to numb it.

1099
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: It takes some say less than ten minutes, and damn

1100
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: earlier said fifteen to twenty. So we're talking to some

1101
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: real cowboy trans humanism here, Like you put a stick

1102
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: between your teeth and staring into the campfire bite not

1103
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: a bullet, yea yeah. And they use standard neodymium magnets

1104
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: for this. Uh. What you need to do though, there's

1105
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: the whole biocoding thing and that's you know, as we've

1106
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: talked about with background organs and organ transplants and all

1107
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: that stuff, your body rejects foreign material, so you need

1108
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: this biocoding to help it keep that from happening. You

1109
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: definitely don't want this to fail and you don't want

1110
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: the magnet to shatter, otherwise you're gonna end up with

1111
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: head V metals exposed to the inside of your body.

1112
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: One other thing to note, the magnets are too small

1113
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,439
Speaker 1: to wipe out at hard drive, so don't worry about

1114
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: that if you're planning on getting this done. Yeah, that

1115
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: would be because that would be especially problematic. Give finger

1116
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: on this hand, as the usped of a divide finger

1117
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: on this hand is a powerful magnet, and you do,

1118
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: like the small wonder thing or sorry not small wonder

1119
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: out of this world. You touch the two fingers together

1120
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: and you raise all the information off your USB drive. UH.

1121
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: The other reason why people are doing this in their

1122
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: fingertips is because it's one of the areas in our

1123
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: bodies where we have the highest nerve density. UH. The

1124
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: movement of the magnet there in response to e M fields. Basically,

1125
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: it stimulates the somati sensory receptors in your fingertip. These

1126
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: are the same ones that are responsible for us to

1127
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: perceive pressure, temperature, and pain. Now grindhouse wetwear that I

1128
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. They've also inserted something called Circadia into one

1129
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: of their members. It's a biosensor that accumulates weeks of

1130
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: body to amperature data and sends it to a smartphone

1131
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: via Bluetooth data. The idea is basically that eventually we'll

1132
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: have something like this that will give us biometric data,

1133
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: like quantify what's going on in our real time evaluation

1134
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 1: of what our body is doing. That is a very

1135
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: useful trans humanist daema. Yeah, it's sort of like a

1136
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: fitbit in your body, but with more application. So many

1137
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: of the problems that arise with our health you don't

1138
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: have like real time knowledge of, but you find out

1139
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: months down the line, maybe years down the line, far

1140
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: past to the point of easy intervention. So the biometric

1141
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: possibilities of trans humanism I think are some of the

1142
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: most exciting and most most useful. Yeah, it makes me

1143
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: think back to like it's very easy to sort of

1144
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: dismiss this stuff and just be like, oh, whatever, this

1145
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: is like this crazy subculture. But like again, like think

1146
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: about like the transdermal how transdermal implants ended up becoming

1147
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: useful for chemotherapy. Right, so there are are some applications

1148
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: here that are going to, you know, spring out of

1149
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: this that I think we're gonna start seeing in medicine

1150
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: in the future. All Right. That brings us to who

1151
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: left anonym who I started off the episode quoting, Uh.

1152
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: She is a Berlin based Scottish d I Y bio

1153
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: hacker uh. And there is an interview with her and

1154
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: Wired magazine that just gave me kind of an overview

1155
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: that I want to present to you all. She does

1156
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: most of her work in her own apartment, sterilizing her

1157
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: equipment with vodka. This definitely sounds like a Saska Sisters

1158
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: style bio hack. It hurts a lot, she says, and

1159
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: she's also passed out before while she's been doing this. Uh.

1160
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: It's the kind of d I Y body hacking that

1161
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: is referred to as grinding when you're just and this

1162
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: is not to be confused with grinder, the social media

1163
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: application for dating. This is grinding, as in like you're

1164
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: in your kitchen with a scalpel and uh some something

1165
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: to separate the flesh out, so you and put devices

1166
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: into your body on your own. She does all her

1167
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: own surgeries with a scalpel. She does have a spot

1168
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: or there with her in case she passes out. She

1169
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: once tried to implant a temperature sensor transdermally that would

1170
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: show varying brightness under her skin to indicate what the

1171
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: temperature was. But this was a total disaster. She didn't

1172
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: buy a proof it right away, so she ended up

1173
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: in the hospital, and she's ended up in the hospital

1174
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: several times because of bad implement implementations. Her implants have

1175
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: actually rusted under her skin, and her surgeries have turned septic.

1176
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: She did the whole magnets in the fingers thing too,

1177
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: except she didn't want to go through the effort of

1178
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: paying a body artist to do it. She thought that

1179
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: was too expensive. So what she did was she coded

1180
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: the magnets in suguru, which is like a silicon putty,

1181
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: is my understanding. Or sometimes she just uses hot gun glue.

1182
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: She said something to the effect of like, you wouldn't

1183
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: believe how many things I've put in my body that

1184
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: are covered in gun glue. Uh, And she inserted the

1185
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: magnets into all of her fingertips, and she said, well,

1186
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: that only costs twenty pounds, so she got the magnets.

1187
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if she's like ordering these

1188
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: on eBay or Amazon or whatever. She just gets the magnets,

1189
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: some hot gun glue and a knife and vodka and

1190
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: just did it herself. Now, I imagine a number of

1191
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: people are thinking right now, this sounds an awful lot

1192
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: like mental illness. And maybe. But but I do want

1193
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: to remind everyone of the old adage, if I'm repeating

1194
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: it correctly here, that the pioneers are often massacred and

1195
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: it's settlers that profit. So we're definitely talking about pioneers here.

1196
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: Oftentimes pioneers don't have the best outcome. These are the

1197
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: individuals that are trying new things, going into new places,

1198
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be the people that come after them.

1199
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna have the easier time of it and maybe

1200
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: actually benefit um in a larger sense from the from

1201
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: the advancements. Yeah, this is true and left anonym I mean,

1202
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you she gives a lot of lectures

1203
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: about this stuff, so she's treated seriously. A lot of

1204
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: people invite her to come and speak about her experiences

1205
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: and how they've gone. But you know, uh, this is

1206
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: the more brutal side of bio hacking for sure. At

1207
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: the time that the article was written, which was in

1208
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, she was talking about installing a

1209
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: compass chip and a power coil and her left knee

1210
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: so she could sense magnetic north. And I mentioned earlier

1211
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: the device that you would wear. It was a wearable

1212
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: that would do the same thing. She wanted it in

1213
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: her body. Okay, here's uh so that's that's an individual.

1214
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: But we got another. Um, this is a really good one. Uh.

1215
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: And it and it comes from another sort of collective.

1216
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: It's mainly two guys. They called themselves Science for the Masses.

1217
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: And you may have heard of this story as it

1218
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: was making around. This is the kind of thing that

1219
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: comes across Robert and my desk on a Monday morning,

1220
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: and we wonder do we write about this this week

1221
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: or is this is this bogus? And it turned out

1222
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't bogus. Uh. They created night vision eye drops uh,

1223
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 1: and they described themselves as an independent bio hacking collective.

1224
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: In their experiment experiment, they used the chemical chlorine E six,

1225
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: which is a relative of chlorophyll. It's been used to

1226
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: try to treat cancer, and it occurs naturally in deep

1227
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: sea fish to enhance the light receptors in their eyes.

1228
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: In cancer treatment, it's used in combination with energy from

1229
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: low powered light sources to destroy cancerous cells by inducing apoptosis,

1230
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: which we've talked about on the show before as such,

1231
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: if you're gonna put this stuff in your eyes, you

1232
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: really want to stay away from bright or ambient daylight

1233
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: because it could harm your eyes cells and cause permanent damage.

1234
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: Their idea came from the work of a guy named

1235
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: Ilias Washington who's at Columbia University, and he wanted to

1236
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: test this chlorophyll derivative to make proteins in our eyes

1237
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: respond to red light instead of green light. He tested

1238
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 1: it on mice. What he didn't tell other people was

1239
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: he also tested it on him self and he didn't

1240
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: report the results. Uh. They were inspired by this. They

1241
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: were also inspired by an experiment that was a patent

1242
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: that was filed by Totada our Shanta is a Georgian

1243
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: doctor who lost his license for medical fraud. Dr Nick, Yes,

1244
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: it does sound like him, doesn't it. Um. What they

1245
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: did was, they said, well, like many bio hackers. Well,

1246
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: we can't get you know, actual academic approval for this,

1247
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: so we're intested in ourselves. So Gabriel A. Chinia, I

1248
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: believe is how it's pronounced. He was the subject and

1249
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: his co conspirator Jeffrey Tibbitts was the one who applied it.

1250
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: They put fifty micro leaders of the C six, together

1251
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: with sailing and insulin, into his eyes with a drip.

1252
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: Within an hour, it interacted with the photo receptors in

1253
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: his eyes. He could distinguish images and symbols beyond fifty

1254
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,879
Speaker 1: meters in the darkness. He was also able to identify

1255
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: people up to fifty meters away in the dark. The

1256
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: effect did wear off after some time, however, uh and

1257
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: I should also mention like he had to wear these

1258
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: sort of eerie looking demonic black contact lenses over his

1259
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: eyes while he was doing this, So when you see

1260
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: pictures of this, you'll see a guy with just completely

1261
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: black eyes. That's not because of the stuff they put

1262
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: in his eyes. Is because of the lenses he was

1263
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: wearing for protection. The idea of the insulin being in there, well,

1264
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: that was to allow absorption of the chemical CE six

1265
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: into his eye. They also used a chemical called d

1266
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: M s OH to increase the permeability of the cellular membrane,

1267
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: basically to allow the free passage of the chemicals into

1268
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,919
Speaker 1: his eye. Uh. There is a high risk of cellular

1269
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: toxicity here though, especially if you're gonna the d M

1270
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: s O. It allows that chemical into your eye, but

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: it also allows outside contaminants that could be absorbed with

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: the chemical, so it should be totally handled with caution.

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: This is this is not uh, don't do this at home. Yeah,

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: this is some pretty heavy biohacking here. This is incredible,

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 1: and especially because that stuff can all so be absorbed

1276
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: through your skin. From their site, uh itself, from Science

1277
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: for the Masses site, they have a review on the

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01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: whole experiment and this is what they said. First of all,

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01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: I want to just say it's really cool. The research

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01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: that they did is all under the Creative Commons license,

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01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: so anybody can go look it up and they can

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01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: see exactly what they did and follow their notes. Uh.

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01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: They provide a disclaimer right at the top, and they

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01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: say increased light amplification may have adverse effects on the

1285
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: cellular structure of the eye. So some materials in this

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01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: mixture should not be used on animals or humans, and

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01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: that there had been previous research in the patent I

1288
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that claimed the mixture would absorb to the

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01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: retina increased vision in low light. So basically, here's how

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: they did it. They pinned open his eyes like clockwork

1291
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: orange style with a speculum and had a micropipette to

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01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: slowly add the solution to his conjunctival sac Then they

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01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: placed the black Sclero lens as I mentioned earlier, into

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: each eye. Then on top of that, they gave him sunglasses.

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01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: All this was to reduce the potential light that was

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: entering his eye because they didn't want this stuff to

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: start destroying the cells in his eyeball. His eyesight returned

1298
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: normal by morning. Twenty days later they checked him out.

1299
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: There were no noticeable effects. Okay, so he's okay for

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01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: future research. What they want to do is they want

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01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: to take a gans filled stimulator and an electro electro

1302
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: tinograph to measure how much electrical stimulation the eyes actually

1303
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: receiving during this kind of experiment. They want basically quantifiable

1304
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: numbers so that they can measure the ranges of vision

1305
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: that are being amplified. So this, I mean, this is

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: this is bio hacking to the extreme. Right. They're giving

1307
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: us superpowers. You're giving what indungeons and dragons would be

1308
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: called low light vision, uh to a human being and

1309
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: then having to wear the the the black contact lens

1310
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: is the sunglasses, essentially wearing sunglasses at night to keep

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: track of the vision. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Uh. These

1312
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: guys have since like broken up their collective. Licinia has

1313
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: worked in a handful of molecular biology labs tibots as

1314
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: a registered nurse. These guys are professor professionals. Other bio

1315
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 1: hacking groups have tried this experiment as well, but no

1316
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: one has the money for testing it on a large scale.

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01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: This is one of the things that people don't talk

1318
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: about with bio hacking is that because it's not through

1319
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: a big institution like a company or a university, there's

1320
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:32,480
Speaker 1: no money at hand, especially for the proper legal ramifications

1321
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: that might come if you run clinical trials on people

1322
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: as volunteers. Uh. And look, the National Institute of Health

1323
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: is not likely to fund somebody who's just going to

1324
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: drop chemicals into a humans eyeball for night vision, right, Um,

1325
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: but what about other people who might fund this, so

1326
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: they said, uh, these are the guys who perform the experiment.

1327
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: They actually said military contractors got in touch with them afterward,

1328
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: and we're interested in it. They also said a voting

1329
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: magazine contracted them and said that could have applications for

1330
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: sailors who were working at night and instead of having

1331
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: to put on like heavy goggles or machinery or whatever

1332
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: so they could see at night, they could use this

1333
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 1: night vision stuff. And if you happen to have a

1334
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: very spacious basement with a pit in it, you know,

1335
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: it's just a no brainer, perfect way to test it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1336
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: as long as there's lotion in the pit as well.

1337
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: Um Lacinia when he was interviewed by Gizmoto, he said,

1338
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: let's be fair here, it's kind of crap science. So

1339
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: he's not, you know, fooled in anything like thinking that

1340
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: they've made some big headway, other than you know, they

1341
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: basically took what an academic wrote down in a paper

1342
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: and just did it in their garage. It sounds like um.

1343
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: They also wanted to clarify for the media they didn't

1344
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,919
Speaker 1: inject this stuff into his eye. They used eye droppers

1345
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: to put it in his eye. So there's some problems

1346
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: here as well too, right, Like, so the biohacking thing

1347
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: kind of gets around the I guess pure you nature

1348
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: of academic papers in that, Like there's no way to

1349
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: really follow up on this, right, Like what if he

1350
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: already had better than average night vision, or what if

1351
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: it was a placebo effect that was taking place and

1352
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: they didn't have a control group in place to sort

1353
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: of measure it against you, Like, if I go to

1354
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: these to these extremes to improve my night vision, I'm

1355
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: gonna kind of want my night vision to be improved,

1356
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,879
Speaker 1: and that's gonna potentially have an effect on my perception

1357
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: exactly right. All right, One more totally crazy one. Have

1358
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: you heard of aquaman crystals? Who I have? Not a

1359
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:38,440
Speaker 1: synti street drug? Yeah, man, everybody's doing it. No. Aquaman

1360
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: crystals came out of a study at the University of

1361
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: Southern Denmark. They discovered a crystalline substance. This is actually

1362
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: one that's not really bio hacking. It happened at an university.

1363
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: They discovered a crystalline substance that absorbs and stores huge

1364
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: amounts of oxygen. Now these are synthetic, but they're derived

1365
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: from cobalt to lifeen oxygen from both air and water,

1366
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: and they might let people breathe underwater. It hasn't been

1367
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: tested yet, but it could also help people who need

1368
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: like an oxygen tank, for instance, if they have lung ailments.

1369
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: So you should have a small Yeah, I do remember

1370
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: when this research came out. I I'm not mistaken. This

1371
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: is the one to where the other sensational spin on

1372
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: it was that you could suck all the oxygen out

1373
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: of a room with a bingo that actually comes up

1374
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: right in the next notes Motherboard cover it, and they said,

1375
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: if you use ten liters of this stuff, which is

1376
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: called crystalline cobalt salt, it can draw twenty one of

1377
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: the air out of a room like instantly. Uh. It

1378
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: binds basically to individual oxygen molecules and it works like

1379
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: artificial hemoglobin. So the idea here is that it would

1380
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: be able to operate indefinitely. UH. The oxygen would bind

1381
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: to the iron in your blood, it would also bind

1382
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: to the metal cobalt that are in the crystals and

1383
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: then just sort of replenish itself. Um. And according to them,

1384
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: they say a few grains contain enough oxygen for one

1385
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 1: breath and since it continually resupplies itself, a diver needing

1386
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: oxygen would only need a few of these grains. So

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01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: this is like something out of the ABYSS, right. I

1388
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: think in the Abyss they use liquid oxygen, but sort

1389
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: of like you would inhale a couple of these grains

1390
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: and then you can just breathe underwater indefinitely. Yeah, just

1391
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: the micro micronization of existing technology. Yeah, exactly, So another

1392
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: potential medical application there. All right, So we've talked about

1393
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: sort of the trans humanist dreams, we've talked about some

1394
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: of these biohecking realities. We've talked about the the Harbingers, uh,

1395
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: and the Pioneers. You're probably wondering, well, how do we

1396
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: know when we get there? How do we know who

1397
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: we've actually achieved trans humanism? I mean, needless to say,

1398
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: if we if we reach the point where we have

1399
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: these like really crazy out there sci fi incarnations of

1400
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: human existence, yeah, we're trans human at that point. But

1401
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: but what actually has to take place? Yeah? I mean

1402
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: Google glasses and trans humanism right now, you can't check

1403
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: it off the list just because you have some Google Yeah. Well, uh,

1404
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: as with everything trans human it's kind of in the

1405
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: eye or the bionic eye of the beholder. But bio

1406
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: ethicist Kyle mckinrick weighed in on this in two thousand

1407
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: eleven and Discover magazine piece that he did, and he

1408
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: was basically expanding some previous comments where people would ask him, well,

1409
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: how are we going to know? What are the what

1410
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: are the qualifications for transhumanist evolution? This is a great article,

1411
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: by the way, I really liked his tones, right, he

1412
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: had some funny bits in there. So these are his

1413
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: seven qualifiers. First of all, prosthetics are are preferred. This

1414
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: is the basic idea that you're going to get to

1415
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: the point where not only is a prosthetic limb as

1416
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: good as the limb you're replacing, not only is a

1417
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: synthetic organ of that grown organ or an artificial organ

1418
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: as good as the original, but it's actually an improvement. Obviously,

1419
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: we're a bit far away from that being a reality. Yeah,

1420
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: but but I'm just thinking, like man, like every week,

1421
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: I feel like stories just pop in more and more

1422
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: and more about prosthetic limb enhancements and b c I

1423
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: s being used to control prosthetic limbs. Yeah, and they're

1424
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: if you're selective in how you judge it. Certainly we

1425
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: have examples of say, you know, runners with artificial legs

1426
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: that are able to perform to you know, a high level. Uh. So,

1427
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: depending on how you look at it, Yes, prosthetic limbs

1428
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: are getting you know, crazy good at at replicator or

1429
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: sometimes even exceeding normal perform performance. But across the board

1430
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to performance, uh, you know, the sensory

1431
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: realm uh, there's still a lot of room for improvement.

1432
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: So we can't check that one off just yet. The

1433
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: next one better brains. This is the idea that beyond coffee,

1434
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: beyond taking whatever brain enhancement drugs are available, this would

1435
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,440
Speaker 1: be the use of of of neural implants, of cybernetic

1436
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: enhancements to upgrade the human mind. And it would have

1437
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: to be a situation where we wouldn't worry about brain doping.

1438
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: This would just be the natural thing to do with

1439
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: the available technology. And this is why so many people

1440
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: get excited about a transcranial direct stimulation that I mentioned earlier,

1441
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: that the possibility of that being the avenue for this. Yeah.

1442
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: So we're seeing some promising developments here, but we're still

1443
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: not quite there. Right Next, artificial assistance this would be

1444
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: ubiquitous use of AI and augmented reality in our daily life.

1445
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: I have to say, I feel like we're very close

1446
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: in this one, because I'm constantly having to drive places

1447
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: where I put my my phone up there I use

1448
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: Ways or another map based program, and it's thinking for me,

1449
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 1: and it's displaying a version of reality that I'm depending

1450
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: on to get somewhere in real life. Oh yeah, totally

1451
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: same for me. Like I have gotten horrible, especially since

1452
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: moving to the city of Atlanta at like learning my

1453
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: way around the city on my own because I rely

1454
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: on Google Maps or whatever to tell me how to

1455
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: get there. Uh maybe if I do it like repeatedly

1456
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: over and over again, it sort of works out that way.

1457
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 1: But if it's a location that I've never been to before,

1458
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't retain that information because why why would I? Yeah,

1459
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: it's it's the natural part of our our cognitive economy

1460
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: is that is that if you can outsource something to

1461
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: another person or another thing another source, your brain does

1462
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: it because it has a tight ship to maintain. So

1463
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: think about Ways and which I think Google bought Ways

1464
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: and incorporated into Google Maps to it also tells you

1465
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: information about traffic patterns that you wouldn't be able to

1466
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: experience through your regular senses. You wouldn't be able to

1467
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: see that far down the road to know that there's

1468
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: a roadblock, So you have sort of superhuman information in

1469
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: a matter of speaking. Ways in these other programs, are

1470
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: are are getting us close to checking off this artificial

1471
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: assistance uh um qualifier, but also playing into the better

1472
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: brain idea because we are you know, augmenting our our

1473
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: neural ability, are cognitive abilities via this external device and

1474
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 1: its properties. Absolutely. The next one, number four on this

1475
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 1: list is amazing average age, longer life from everyone, with

1476
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: a roughly hundred and twenty year average lifespan for humans.

1477
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: So we have a long ways to go in this one,

1478
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: but when you start breaking down uh death mortality into

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Speaker 1: smaller winnable battles, it does seem more and more likely

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01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: we could get to that point. Uh. The next one

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01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: is responsible reproduction. So this one is very interesting and

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: gets into some of that the potentially problem problematic um.

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01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, Western rich people telling developing nations not to

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01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: have babies, so sort of this uh the borderline ethics

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01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: of like is this like eugenics talking about superior humans

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01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: versus inferiors. So in this scenario, mccentrick is saying that

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01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: we would we need to all start treating human reproduction

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01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: and or parenting as an act to be undertaken by

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01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: choice and uh and responsibly, rather than as a mere

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01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: biological occurrence. Uh. The obvious benefits here are, you know,

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01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: global population woes, swelling of orphanages, many a troubled home life. Um.

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01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: Because I mean, seriously, what what sort of selfish moron

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,440
Speaker 1: is going to thank him or herself futuristic and evolved

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01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: with the robot eyes if they're still blind to social

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01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: horrors that arguably stem from all these overpopulation woes and

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01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: unwanted birth. So that's like sort of taking the bio

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01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: hacking thing to like the larger scale, like um population hacking. Yeah. Really,

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Speaker 1: And if you think of human the human population is

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01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of the meta organism. It's saying, not only am

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01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 1: I gonna let's let's not only take control of the

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01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: individual organism, let's take control of the meta organism, its form,

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01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: it's function, and let's streamline it as well. But then

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01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: how do you get into that scenario without getting into eugenics,

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01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: without getting into imperialist um, you know, dog Yeah, absolutely,

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01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: it's it sounds very like a dangerous road to go down.

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01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 1: But it also reminds me. I see this on Facebook

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01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh. I have friends who don't have kids,

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01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: and they'll say something along the lines of, you know,

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01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: you have to have a license to drive a car,

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01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: you should probably have to have a license to have

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01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: a kid. Um, And this is basically that, right. Yeah,

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01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: So there's plenty of plenty of room for argument and

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01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: hurt feelings and strong emotions on this one. And speaking

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01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: of which number six, um Munkinstrick refers to as my body,

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01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: my choice. So obviously you need to own your body

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01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: in order to augment it. That means voluntary self surgery,

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01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: ownership of what your body does and how it's defined.

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01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: And this is really getting into the regulation aspect of

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01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: like whether or not the government's going to get involved. Yeah,

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01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: because think about, you know, to any degrees in different countries,

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01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: how much control the and the government already has over

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01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 1: your body and what say you have already concerning your body.

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01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: So this gets into everything from sexuality to reproduction to abortion,

1524
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: physical augmentation. Um. Some of the limits than the natural

1525
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: progression of this too is going to go down to

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01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: the vaccination route. Yeah, indeed, I mean that's that's another

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01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: another um, you know, face of this problem. Um. I

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01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: mean on the surgery side, we see this a lot too.

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01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: We see individuals who want something dramatic but they can't

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01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: go to just a normal surgeon to get it done.

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01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: Um and no anesthesia. Right. It reminds me a lot

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01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: of the work of plastic surgeon Joe Um Rosen, who

1533
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: have brought up on here before. This guy is a

1534
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: huge advocate of like let people be what they want

1535
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: to be through plastic surgery. Plastic surgery allows to change

1536
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: the body and therefore change the sof you want to

1537
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: be a tiger, right, Like the isn't that one of them?

1538
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: The Tigerman is like the big body modifier. I think

1539
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 1: he might have passed away actually, but you know what

1540
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, right, Like he like modified, so he

1541
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: had fangs and cat eyes and kind of um stripes

1542
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: on his skin. Yeah. One of the examples that Rosen

1543
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: always brings up is why is it okay for someone

1544
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: to walk in and say I want bigger breaths and

1545
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: they can make that happen. But if you say you

1546
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: want blue nipples, that's too far for some reason, you

1547
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: know why, So we have to That's that's another hurdle

1548
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: to really embracing this trans human um notion. And then finally,

1549
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: the seventh caveat on Kyle mcintrick's list is person not people.

1550
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: So this is the idea that we're gonna have to

1551
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: depend more on concepts of personhood rather than mere human rights.

1552
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: So we're talking grill as, dolphins, robots, computer aies, because

1553
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,919
Speaker 1: if we're gonna step beyond and outside of the traditional

1554
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: human experience, we need to, you know, have rights and stuff.

1555
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: We new humans need to be people to even if

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01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: they have thumb drives and wings. This is what that

1557
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Eclipse Phase game is all about. And so I think

1558
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a really interesting, like it's interesting

1559
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: is a game, but it's also just like an interesting

1560
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: like site to go to and kind of read through

1561
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: what they're working on there for their fictional reality, just

1562
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: because like it's addressing questions like this and saying like, well, okay,

1563
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 1: if we uh, if we take a gorilla or a

1564
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: dolphin and we give it uh an enhanced intelligence and

1565
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: then we upload it into a human body, does it

1566
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: have rights? Interesting? Wow, that's now I'm just trying to

1567
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: imagine that the dolphin human gorilla hybrid body. Oh yeah,

1568
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of weird ways to go with it.

1569
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: But I mean some of it's science fiction. But as

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01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: we revealed here today, I mean we're on our way

1571
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: towards this stuff. Yeah, I mean, like all great science fiction,

1572
01:28:55,080 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: science fiction, echoes, the the the are contemporary fears, hopes, uh,

1573
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: and dreams concerning our current technology are current science. All right,

1574
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: So that about wraps it up. But I want to

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01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: know from you guys out there, talk to us right

1576
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 1: into us. Let us know, would you do some of

1577
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: these things? Would you put magnets in your fingertips? Or

1578
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 1: would you drop night vision goo into your eyeballs? Uh?

1579
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: You know? Or would you like a hook up some

1580
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: sensors to your body so you could feel your wife's

1581
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: sensation of pleasure and pain? Are those things that you

1582
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: would be interested in? And also, here's the thing that

1583
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: I want to know, what did we miss? Because there

1584
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: is this whole bio hacker community out there that like

1585
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: we barely scratched the surface of, and I'm sure there's

1586
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: lots of cool stuff going on out there that if

1587
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: you're a bio hacker and you're out there listening, You're like, oh,

1588
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: these guys they don't know a bunch of squares. They

1589
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: completely missed all this cool stuff. But let us know

1590
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: right into us, tell us what you just finished under

1591
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: your forearm or your yeah yeah. So what are the

1592
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: ways to do that? Well, you can start with social media.

1593
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,559
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1594
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: on Instagram. On all of those we are blow the Mind.

1595
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: You can also visit us at our mothership stuff to

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01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Blow your Mind dot com. That's where you're gonna find

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Speaker 1: all of our podcasts, all of our videos, the articles

1598
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,240
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1599
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: put together. And then there's the final place, the final frontier,

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01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: where you can write to us. And what's that, Robert,

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01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: that's right. You can always send us an email at

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01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:46,559
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