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Speaker 1: Connor or Connor, what's going on man? Good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 3: You too has everything?

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Speaker 1: So what years are you on to beat here?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Boy? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, So we were it was like Odell.

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Speaker 4: I remember being at the draft, Odell's draft at Radio

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Speaker 4: City Music Hall and meeting his family. There was that

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Speaker 4: the rough start there, but then they kind of came

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Speaker 4: like storming back a little bit towards the end of

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Speaker 3: Then the transition over to McAdoo. So it was a

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Speaker 3: good It was a good time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you showed were you you said?

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Speaker 2: Was it the twenty twelve season or were you around

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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty twelve playoff run two.

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Speaker 4: No, so I missed right after that, like that off

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Speaker 4: season into the following season. So but I always tell

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Speaker 4: everybody it's in the nicest way possible. Anything was better

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Speaker 4: than the Jets beat so so.

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Speaker 2: And you know, even though the Giants didn't make the

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Speaker 2: playoffs in twenty twelve, they actually ten and six not

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs from nine and seven not make the

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Speaker 2: playoffs with the Giants, Yes, twenty twelve, so that was

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Speaker 2: a pretty good year. And then twenty thirteen and twenty

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Speaker 2: fourteen did not go very well though you did have

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Speaker 2: the Oldell bucket.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, so that was Yeah, that was fun, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: So Connor just had a great story come out on

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Speaker 2: for Sports Illustrated. He spence the time with Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: at a park in Brooklyn, and it seemed like Connor,

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Speaker 2: you guys, didn't do a lot of like football talk necessarily,

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Speaker 2: but it seemed like he really just his whole presence

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Speaker 1: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, Russell and I came, I mean came into

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Speaker 4: the league in air quotes, right, Russell's a football player,

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Speaker 4: but he got drafted the same year that I started

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Speaker 4: covering the NFL where the same age. We did a

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Speaker 4: both had kids at the same time, and so when

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Speaker 4: everything came together for this story, I thought.

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Speaker 3: Like, it's a cool it's.

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Speaker 4: A cool moment not to just revisit kind of where

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Speaker 4: my life and to talk about, like, Hey, this is

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Speaker 4: how I feel, you know, this is how my career

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Speaker 3: How do you feel like your career is going. We've

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Speaker 3: all had ups and downs? What's that like? You know,

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Speaker 3: how how do you do that as a dad? You know?

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Speaker 4: And so I find him to be kind of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I've learned about him since he's been here

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Speaker 2: I just think that's the type of person that he is.

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Speaker 4: And so that's really what I wanted to get to

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Speaker 3: You do that? What's the why behind it?

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Speaker 4: And I feel like I got a really satisfying answer,

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Speaker 4: I not live every moment like I'm writing something that's

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Speaker 4: And I guess it kind of just hit me in

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Speaker 4: I guess if that's your life experience, why why wouldn't

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how do you think that that's impacted the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the football life everything is, you know,

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Speaker 4: and so for me, it's just you know, like you said, right,

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Speaker 4: like why are you going through your whole script before

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Speaker 2: So it seemed like it was an interesting conversation you

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Speaker 2: You talked about it and wrote about in the article.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, he said in twenty twenty that he

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Speaker 4: And for me, I think that he feels like he's

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Speaker 4: But and I would go back to the film last

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Speaker 4: He's kind of doing what we asked him to do

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Speaker 4: A little bit, but I said to him, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of you know, giant fans that

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Speaker 2: Were talking prime Eli Manning years and Frankie, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Eli wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He was a guy that through pick sometimes, which was

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Speaker 4: And this isn't being unfair, I hope to Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 3: Physically, all of that. And say what you will about Russ.

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Speaker 4: Let's say that you're a viewing public and you believe

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Speaker 4: this fake person whatever. Even that, like you're saying, from

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Speaker 4: And I think that Daniel's getting that chance now somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: Russell is going to come in and act in a

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Speaker 4: dependable way. He's going to act in a way that

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Speaker 4: guys who haven't seen that before, I think that's galvanizing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you talk to the Jets guys last year

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And look, you talk to the guys here about Russell

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Speaker 2: So what do you think this might look like for

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Speaker 2: make the point. There are too many games over the

438
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Speaker 2: last couple of years where you're heading out of halftime

439
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Speaker 2: and you already know that the game's cooked.

440
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Speaker 1: Right. That happened way too many times.

441
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Speaker 2: And I think because I was kind of explaining at

442
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Speaker 2: the fans, Look, the Giants are playing the Chiefs in

443
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Speaker 2: their home open are in Week three, right, Like, if

444
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Speaker 2: they lose that game twenty seven to twenty four because

445
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Speaker 2: of a Patrick Mahomes fourth quarter drive, I mean, you

446
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Speaker 2: should go home annoyed as a fan.

447
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the freaking.

448
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Speaker 4: Jeeves, right, Yes, yeah, I totally agree, and they you know,

449
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,359
Speaker 4: we've got this like all or nothing approach to fandom,

450
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Speaker 4: which I mean, by the way, I have like a

451
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Speaker 4: little Giants fans.

452
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Speaker 3: You've got two since like two thousand and seven.

453
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Speaker 4: Like, you know, I grew up a Browns fan and

454
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 4: I'm not anymore obviously, but like, it can get worse,

455
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Speaker 4: So just be thankful for what you've got. You got

456
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 4: two since two thousand and seven, it's pretty good. But

457
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Speaker 4: I think it's just that when you lose sense of

458
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 4: the big picture, you take.

459
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Speaker 3: Away what's really fun about being a fan.

460
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Speaker 4: It's like you might as well just be like in

461
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Speaker 4: mad and simulate the season towards the end and then

462
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 4: give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Part

463
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Speaker 4: of it's riding with this, and I think you're right,

464
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Speaker 4: though part of it has to.

465
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Speaker 3: Be at halftime. You got to go up and get.

466
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Speaker 4: Your beer, and you got to think, you know, if

467
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Speaker 4: a couple of things break this our way in the

468
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Speaker 4: second half, we got this and like they're playing in

469
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Speaker 4: a manner that leads you to believe it's possible. And

470
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Speaker 4: I think that that, to me is that's got to

471
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Speaker 4: be what you bring to the table this season.

472
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Speaker 2: And I think it comes back to how we started here.

473
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Speaker 2: It comes back to you got to score more points.

474
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Speaker 3: Right.

475
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Speaker 2: You look at the Giants offense the last two years,

476
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Speaker 2: they just they just not scoring enough points to win

477
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 2: football games in the National Football League. And that comes

478
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Speaker 2: back to the offensive line play, which you've talked about

479
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 2: here for a long time. Heck, you were talking about

480
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Speaker 2: that when you're covering the Giants in thirteen and fourteen

481
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: round when Ewy Man it was getting s shellac back

482
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: there left and right, and can you just score enough

483
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Speaker 2: points to give this defense a chance to rush the

484
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Speaker 2: passer right? Because if you're down two scores finished, so

485
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Speaker 2: and then it comes back to Russell wil City again.

486
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Speaker 2: So Brian Dabeles an offensive guy. That to me is

487
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Speaker 2: what needs to come together here to make this whole

488
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Speaker 2: project work this year.

489
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Speaker 4: And not to take away because I've been accused of

490
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Speaker 4: being too soft on Dable over the years, who I

491
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Speaker 4: really like and I think is a good coach.

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Speaker 3: But you know, and so I'll say this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you look at the turnaround in Carolina towards

494
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Speaker 4: the end of last season with the Panthers, right, that's

495
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Speaker 4: the perfect example. That team was dealing with even less

496
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Speaker 4: resources than the Giants have now, and they were competitive

497
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Speaker 4: against the Chiefs, they were competitive against the Bucks, they

498
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Speaker 4: were competitive against really good playoff caliber teams down the stretch.

499
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Speaker 4: You need to look at least that good. And I

500
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Speaker 4: think that that's possible because do you have better players

501
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Speaker 4: at almost every one of your key positions.

502
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Speaker 2: And I do think it's fascinating talking about this because

503
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Speaker 2: we've seen it work in the NFL a bunch of

504
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Speaker 2: different ways.

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Speaker 1: But how do you work in the young quarterback? When

506
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Speaker 1: do you work in the young quarterback?

507
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Speaker 2: And I think the tricky thing for all of us

508
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Speaker 2: is that once we get past the preseason and training

509
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Speaker 2: camp practices, we're not in practices anymore, and we're never

510
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Speaker 2: gonna see Jackson dor play in a competitive situation. So

511
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Speaker 2: the only people that really know whether he's ready are

512
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Speaker 2: the coaches. And Brian Dable comes from Bill Belichick's school.

513
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Speaker 2: He ain't gonna tell us, So it's just gonna happen,

514
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Speaker 2: and we all kind of just have to trust that

515
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Speaker 2: they know when the right time is because we're gonna

516
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Speaker 2: have no idea.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And to use Bryce as an example again, like

518
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Speaker 4: I was talking to players down there, and when they

519
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Speaker 4: knew that he was ready to because he got benched

520
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Speaker 4: and then came back, And when they knew was that

521
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Speaker 4: the minute he was benched, he absolutely just started carving

522
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Speaker 4: up the scout team. When they put him on scout team, right,

523
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Speaker 4: and it's like, Okay, this is a dude.

524
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Speaker 3: Just give him a minute to chill out and he'll

525
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Speaker 3: be fine. And I think we.

526
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Speaker 4: Always rely on analytics, analytics, analytics, but so much of

527
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Speaker 4: this is socio emotional. There's gonna be a moment that

528
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Speaker 4: Brian Dables sees where Russ is maybe faltering a little bit,

529
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Speaker 4: that Jackson is just lighting people up in practice. It's

530
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Speaker 4: gonna happen because father time comes for us all, you know.

531
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Speaker 4: And when that moment comes, and when Jackson displays the

532
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Speaker 4: ability to say like, hey, I know my protections on

533
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Speaker 4: this plan. I know I'm gonna check this down, I

534
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Speaker 4: know where I'm gonna go on this. I know here

535
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Speaker 4: are my core concepts that I want baked in. And

536
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Speaker 4: he can enunciate all that you should put him in.

537
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Speaker 4: You drafted him in the first round, you know. But

538
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Speaker 4: you know everyone has to be patient because you've put

539
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Speaker 4: him in before he's ready. It's so much worse for him,

540
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Speaker 4: you know. And we've seen that that bears out. There's

541
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Speaker 4: hundreds of test cases on this.

542
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Speaker 1: Now.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do we think Bryce Young was better

544
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Speaker 2: off or worse off because his rookie year are.

545
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Speaker 3: So much worse.

546
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Speaker 4: And if Andy Dalton was there with Frank Reich during

547
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Speaker 4: his rookie year, I think Frank W. Reich would still

548
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Speaker 4: probably be the coach there, and I think that Bryce

549
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Speaker 4: Young and CJ. Stroud we'd be talking about him his

550
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Speaker 4: neck and neck.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. I'm with you on that

552
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent.

553
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Speaker 2: And the other thing too, to your point of him

554
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Speaker 2: carving up the scout team, the players will know too

555
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: exactly is if you put the guy in before he's

556
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Speaker 2: ready and the locker room knows you're going to a

557
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Speaker 2: guy that does not give you the best chance to win,

558
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Speaker 2: usually that doesn't end up going very well.

559
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Speaker 1: So that's a very.

560
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Speaker 2: Delicate balance and line the coach has to walk to

561
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Speaker 2: make sure the team also believes in the guy when

562
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Speaker 2: they decide to put him into the starting lineup.

563
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Speaker 4: It's the hardest thing for fans to understand because it's

564
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Speaker 4: the one thing that we're not privy to, and that's

565
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Speaker 4: what happens behind closed doors, like what what led to

566
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: that decision? And it's not like one day, you know,

567
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 4: Brian Dable can come out there and be like, hey,

568
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 4: the guys don't believe in Jackson, aren't yet, you know,

569
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Speaker 4: and just say that right? I mean, and he can

570
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 4: feel it, and he can read the room, and he

571
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 4: can have captains that can come in and tell him that.

572
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Speaker 4: But there's kind of a dance to this all and

573
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Speaker 4: and I think that for fans, that's the hardest thing

574
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Speaker 4: is being patient. And that's why I thought, you know,

575
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 4: writing about Russ would be interesting because it's like, I

576
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: think he's gonna be around a little bit longer than

577
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Speaker 4: people think he is. Like, you know, all the replies

578
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Speaker 4: to the story, we like, ah, we'll see him after,

579
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Speaker 4: we won't see him in October.

580
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Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't think so. I think

581
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna see him in like November. You know. But

582
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Speaker 3: I'm with you.

583
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Speaker 2: That's just me, you know, now, I'm one hundred percent

584
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Speaker 2: with you. I think I think we're looking you know.

585
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Speaker 2: I think that that's the time frame that I think

586
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Speaker 2: is more likely. You know, every time I walk bast PN,

587
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: I feel like I see a lower third. What should

588
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: Jackson dart play? And I'm like, I haven't seen him

589
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: wear pads yet, Guys, Like we need to calm down

590
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: a little bit of pumping strikes. But to your point,

591
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Speaker 2: the last thing you want is you're in that Wednesday

592
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: morning team meeting, right getting ready for a Sunday game.

593
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: The coach tells the team, all right, we're going with

594
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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart. What you don't want is for like the

595
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: group of you know, the Giants have a really good

596
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Speaker 2: defensive line group, right for those defense the blind group

597
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: to go into the position meeting and before the coaches

598
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: go in kind of look at each other and be like,

599
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: oh boy, yeah, yeah that is that that is that

600
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: is like and like, all right, we're gonna have to

601
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: carry this guys, like, that's not what you want. And

602
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: I knowing the way Brian Dable cares about quarterback development

603
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: and Joe Shane wants to do this the right way,

604
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: they're not going to do that because and.

605
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Speaker 1: That's by the way, why they signed Russ Soll Wilson.

606
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be forced into doing that before they are ready.

607
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Speaker 4: And Jamis Winston correct, I mean, like, you know, there's

608
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: layers to this where uh, you're you're buttressing yourself in

609
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Speaker 4: case that there's an injury, you know, and and and

610
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Speaker 4: I really do think that the runway is a little

611
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 4: bit clearer for Jackson Dart and I think it's smart

612
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Speaker 4: and as different as they are, I think they are

613
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Speaker 4: all quarterbacks with a similar mindset on the field, Like

614
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Speaker 4: I do think that as players there is a common

615
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: thread there. But just let him learn, Like like, we

616
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: have to be patient. We have to be patient because

617
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 4: every time you.

618
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Speaker 3: Microwave something, it just destroys the whole thing.

619
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Speaker 4: And I think that there's been that cyclical attitude around

620
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 4: here a little bit. Stop flying the planes over the stadium.

621
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna that drives me nuts, Like drives me insane.

622
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: It's like the biggest waste of resources in God's green earth.

623
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: Like the giants will be fine, you know, just just

624
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: give them a chance.

625
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: It is funny, all right, Let's go around a league

626
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: a little bit.

627
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 2: We know in the NFC East, I think it's two

628
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: thousand and three was the last time we had a

629
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Speaker 2: repeat champion in the NFC East. Every year I can

630
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: figure out a way to talk myself into how you

631
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 2: could have a different winner. I gotta be honest, I

632
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: don't know if I see a path or a team

633
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: other than the Eagles winning the NFC East this year?

634
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Speaker 3: Do you Yes?

635
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: I think it could be the commanders, and I think

636
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 4: that's based on you know, we just you know, the

637
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: reporting that we do in the off season and the

638
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: people that we're talking to. And at first I was

639
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: so down on Washington and I thought, you know, they're

640
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: perfect example of a team that's going too fast in

641
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: their REI right, let's go get Deebo, Samuel, let's go

642
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 4: get von Miller, guys with known personality issues.

643
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: And you have Jaden Daniels, who's.

644
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: Kind of a sweetheart of a guy over here, and

645
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: you're interrupting his ability to figure it out.

646
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: Right.

647
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: But I think that what we are underestimating is how

648
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 4: much Cliff Kingsbury's evolved, how much he's grown as a

649
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: play caller, and his ability to We don't talk about

650
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 4: him with the mcveigh's of the world, like we kind

651
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 4: of write him off as an air raid guy and like, okay,

652
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: go get over there in your corner. What we don't

653
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: realize is that he basically built a really amazing non

654
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 4: air raid offense in Arizona, went to USC and now

655
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 4: put it all together in Washington. If that thing evolves,

656
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Speaker 4: I think that the league is going to be on

657
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Speaker 4: its heels for a while. And so That's why I

658
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: would say the Commanders at least have a chance. I'm

659
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Speaker 4: picking the Eagles to go back to the super Bowl,

660
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 4: to be clear, but I think the Commanders are my

661
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: other You know, that's the other option there, right.

662
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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

663
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Speaker 1: of crunch time football on your match, But if you're

664
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Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

665
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Speaker 1: to citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care.

666
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Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about amiliar routine.

667
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Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help makes sense of your

668
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Speaker 1: money with citizens. You know, it's funny. I did not

669
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Speaker 1: love the Kingsbury higher, right.

670
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Speaker 2: I didn't think he did a great job in in Arizona,

671
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: But it seems like now that that's all he's worrying

672
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: about and he doesn't have the head coaching duties. I

673
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: thought he was fantastic last year with the Commanders. I'm

674
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: with you, but I gotta be honest with you. Their

675
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: defense scares the heck out of me.

676
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: Man.

677
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: They just I know, they just sign von Miller. I mean,

678
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he has left in the town.

679
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: We'll see, but boy, you look at their secondary. You know,

680
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner at some point has to start not playing

681
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: really well, right, and they don't have a pass rusher. Really,

682
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of holes on that defense

683
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: that dan Quinn's gonna have to figure out a way

684
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: to patch.

685
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 3: A lot of holes.

686
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: And again, dan Quinn was great in Dallas because he

687
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 4: did not have to coach the entire team. And now

688
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: that you're worried about a rookie quarterback, now that you're

689
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: worried about you know, I mean this, this this Commanders

690
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: thing took off so fast and as a CEO, he's

691
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 4: going to be pulled in a lot of different directions.

692
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: Can he be in that defensive room for as long

693
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: as he wants to and for as long as he

694
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Speaker 4: can make an impact?

695
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: And I think that's a big question.

696
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: You know, do you have a team that you think

697
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: everyone is sleeping on too much in the NFC this

698
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: year that could make some noise that nobody expects.

699
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Speaker 3: I don't know about.

700
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: Nobody, but like I think the forty nine ers are

701
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: gonna go to the conference championship game.

702
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Speaker 3: And right, I mean, you know, like the six, this

703
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: is what they do.

704
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: They have a down year with Kyle, but they'll have

705
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: a really down year and then they'll get guys like

706
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Speaker 4: Nick Bosa out of it, and then all of a

707
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: sudden they come back and they're just destroying people. But

708
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: I think we're way underestimating the fact that they traded

709
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: away other running backs. They think that Christian McCaffrey is

710
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: really healthy again and that's a game changer. Not only that,

711
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: but Ricky Piersall is going to get a year better.

712
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: And Robert saw is the perfect person for Kyle Shanahan

713
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: and to have him back in San Francisco.

714
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Speaker 3: I just think we're underplaying that so much.

715
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Speaker 4: I'm not a gambling person, but I think that they're

716
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 4: over under was like nine wins, nine and a half wins.

717
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Speaker 3: I was like, why isn't that? Why is this off

718
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: the books in Vegas?

719
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Speaker 1: Right now?

720
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Speaker 3: They're gonna win eleven games this year.

721
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Piersoll. I think he could have a monster

722
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: second year. You know Brandon I used coming off the injury.

723
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: You know, now we have Juwan Jennings, who says I

724
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Speaker 2: want a contract EXTENTSI I'm out they traded Debo. I mean,

725
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: he's him and Kittle kind of like the last two

726
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Speaker 2: guys standing here.

727
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, And but I think it's one of

728
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: those things where you need to do it. And what

729
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: did everybody say about Buffalo last year, You're out of

730
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: your mind getting rid of Stephan Diggs and getting rid

731
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Speaker 4: of all these vets and cutting all these guys. And

732
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Speaker 4: what we saw was Khalil Shakir grow into a receiver

733
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Speaker 4: who deserved a long term extension. I still think there's

734
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Speaker 4: a lot of room for him to grow. He's one

735
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: of my favorite receivers in the league. You saw guys

736
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: in the backfield, they're developed and just turn into like

737
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Speaker 4: really good players that are doing what Josh Allen wants

738
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Speaker 4: them to do. That's the secret, right And I think

739
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: this is about building around Brock. This is about giving

740
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Speaker 4: him the chance to be comfortable. And the core of

741
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: this team is still really good.

742
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Speaker 2: And I'm happy that's a team that's on the Giants schedule.

743
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: They also played the NFC North, which I think r

744
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Speaker 2: you Connor might be the best division in football, though

745
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: you can obviously talk about the a FFC North in

746
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: that conversation as well. How do you see that shaking out?

747
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: How much of a step back do you think the

748
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: Lions take losing their two coordinators and can the Bears

749
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Speaker 2: make a little bit of noise with Ben Johnson moving

750
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: over from Detroit, right.

751
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: I think every year we go into it, like I

752
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: think this happened with the AFC West a couple of

753
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: years ago, and then the AFC North and then the

754
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: AFC in general, where we were just like, oh, this

755
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: is a gauntlet, right, and this is going to be impossible,

756
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 4: and then it never lives up to our expectations, you know.

757
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: And I think that that's probably the NFC North this

758
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: year to me, right, where Green Bay had a good

759
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: year last year, but they fell apart in the playoffs

760
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Speaker 4: versus the Eagles. I think you saw the distance between

761
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Speaker 4: them and someone like Philly. They did not upgrade their

762
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: defensive interior at all this offseason, which was befuddling to me.

763
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Speaker 4: They still have wide receivers practicing at cornerback, Like there's

764
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: some deficiencies there, right, And they went wide receiver heavy

765
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: in the draft, which I didn't think was the biggest

766
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: position of need for them. I could be wrong, but like,

767
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Speaker 4: are they going to get to eleven wins again? I

768
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Speaker 4: don't think so. Probably not. The Vikings are effectively starting

769
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Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback, and as good as they were last year,

770
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Speaker 4: and you could say, well, maybe JJ McCarthy and Sam

771
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: Darnold are as good as each other.

772
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not.

773
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Speaker 4: And it's also really hard. Brian Flores knows this, and

774
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: talk about us. The Legion of Boom knows this. So

775
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: much harder to maintain a generational defense than offense, right,

776
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: and so can Brian Flores do it?

777
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: Again? That was as big of a reason for their

778
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Speaker 3: success as anything.

779
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Speaker 4: So and then you got the Lions who lost both

780
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Speaker 4: of their coordinators, lost their center who was kind of

781
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: heart and soul that offensive line. They've had to do

782
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: a lot of turnover in the offseason. So I will

783
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: never doubt Dan Campbell. But the idea that five of

784
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: the four of these teams make the playoffs, I think.

785
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.

786
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Speaker 3: Now.

787
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Speaker 1: I'm with you on that.

788
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Speaker 2: And I always told the Giants fans is as tough

789
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: as the NFC East is gonna be this year. Just

790
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: be happy you're not in the AFC where you got

791
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: to deal with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow.

792
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Speaker 1: Oh and Justin Herbert's there too, by the way.

793
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Speaker 2: And they also just had the first overall pick in

794
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: the drafting camp ward who mightded up being really good. Yeah,

795
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: like damn, I mean it's that's tough, dude.

796
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Speaker 1: I know.

797
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Speaker 3: And the fact that I mean like if the Ravens

798
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Speaker 3: were in.

799
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Speaker 4: The NFC, I think they would have had three or

800
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: four Super Bowls by now. And I think that that

801
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: just is a reflection of how deep and how competitive

802
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: and how tough that division at that conference is. And

803
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: so yeah, and I mean, now, I mean look at

804
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Speaker 4: the West. If Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, I

805
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: mean that's ridiculous, you know, and and might be Donald

806
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 4: or I'm sorry, I might be done't but and Jim

807
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: Harbaugh and it's does that's one of the greatest collection

808
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: of coaches in a single division in NFL history. And

809
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: so there's just a lot of talent. There's a lot

810
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: of talent from top to bottom.

811
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Speaker 1: No, it really is. And and the Giants get the

812
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Speaker 1: AFC West.

813
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Speaker 2: Do you think the Raiders can make a little bit

814
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: of noise there with Yes, with with Pete Carroll and

815
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: Gino Smith and you know, just think about it, Carol,

816
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: we know how good he is. And then an offense,

817
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Speaker 2: you have Gino with Genty and Bowers. I know they're

818
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: some questions around those three, but that is a pretty

819
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: good place to start.

820
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Speaker 4: It's a good place to start, and they got the

821
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: best kid from TCU, who I think is really talented.

822
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Speaker 3: The wide receiver.

823
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Speaker 4: I think he could almost be that Lad McConkey, like

824
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna gobble up like, you know, one

825
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: hundred targets in a season kind of guy, and be

826
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 4: a really reliable guy for Gino Smith. But the secret

827
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Speaker 4: weapon there, I think is Chip Kelly. And everybody is saying,

828
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: you know, okay, this guy flamed out in the NFL.

829
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: Well, he won double.

830
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: Digit games in two seasons and and kind of was

831
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: just not emotionally ready for the job and got fired

832
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: after his one bad season and then the forty nine

833
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: ers singers ridiculous. But if you look at what he

834
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 4: has done since then and how coaches still revere him offensively,

835
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 4: and then he went from no huddle, no huddle, no

836
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Speaker 4: huddle to calling I think some of the fewest plays

837
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: in the NCAA with Ohio State last year in their

838
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Speaker 4: title run.

839
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Speaker 3: He is evolving.

840
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 4: He can always change, and he just loves zeroing in

841
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 4: on designing offenses and calling plays like that's what makes

842
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: him beat as a person. I think he's in his

843
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: bag right now, and I think that they're going to

844
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: sneak up on a lot of people.

845
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: Does anyone figure out Patrick Mahomes and keep the Chiefs

846
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: out of the Super Bowl this year?

847
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: Well, it's like, you know, you know, we had this

848
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: conversation about Tom Brady for twenty years and it just

849
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: felt like, you know, how many times can we say

850
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: if you get to him with a pass rush, he's

851
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: not going to be good?

852
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: Right? And are as good? And that's been the truth.

853
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 4: It was the truth in the COVID Super Bowl against

854
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: the Bucks, and it was the truth in the Super

855
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: Bowl last year against the Eagles. If the offensive line

856
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: falters and there's not enough going on for him immediately

857
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: in front of him to be able to get rid

858
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 4: of the ball, you're going to be able to win

859
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: some games and you're going to be able to beat him.

860
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 4: But I think they did a good job this year,

861
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 4: you know, drafting for offense, getting the guy from San

862
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: Francisco in free agency, and so I think they're going

863
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: to be right back in the conversation.

864
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Speaker 2: All right, final question, Connor gave me one big thing

865
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: or storyline that you're tracking during training cam leading up

866
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: to the season that you really think could impact the

867
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: year this year in the NFL.

868
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: HM hmm, that's a good question, I would say, speaking

869
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: of Chip Kelly, Uh, let's see how many more teams

870
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: are adopting a college style no huddle offense as we

871
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: come into this year.

872
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: Let's keep an eye on that. I think that'd be interesting.

873
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: Why do you think that's going to be a trend?

874
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: I think we are at the point now where we

875
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Speaker 4: are so saturated with young quarterbacks and the league is

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Speaker 4: just turning over, you know, it's it's and I think

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Speaker 4: it's probably just more advantageous. And if you look at

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00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: the league like cyclically, right, like we the Eagles, it

879
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: was first it was the Patriots and O seven with

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00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: the one one word play calls, and then that came

881
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Speaker 4: and went, and then the Eagles came and did it,

882
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 4: and then it came and went, And a lot of

883
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 4: teams are going big and heavy and power because they're

884
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 4: trying to copy the Eagles, And so what is the

885
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: zag to that? And there are going to be some

886
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: teams that just have no choice. Their offensive line isn't

887
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 4: going to be big enough right there. Their running backs

888
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 4: aren't going to be good enough for healthy enough, and

889
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to come up with some sort of

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00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: a counterpoint.

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00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: And so it's like a wild shot in the dark.

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Speaker 3: But I'm like, let's let's think about that.

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Speaker 1: No, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm tracking the other side of that what you just

895
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Speaker 2: talked about. I think we're seeing kind of football solely

896
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: reverting back to what we saw around like two thousand

897
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: and five, two thousand and six, where all these teams

898
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: are playing these you know, shell coverages, whether it's you know,

899
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: cover two, cover four, cover six, and I think teams

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00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: are realizing, do you know how you beat those coverages

901
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: by running the football? And I think I'm curious to

902
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: see how much how many more teams start to lead

903
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: into the run game a little bit more where it's like,

904
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: all right, it's either deep chunk play, but if you

905
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: can't get those, then you run the football. And that

906
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: maybe is becoming more efficient than the short passing game,

907
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: which became so in vogue, you know, five six years ago.

908
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot of this stuff is dying

909
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 4: out just based on how the defenses around the league

910
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: are covering it and The other part of it too,

911
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: is like what Brian Flores did with the Vikings was

912
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: and put on tape for everybody, was we're short circuiting

913
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: your communication and so we're we're understanding what you're doing

914
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 4: pre snap, and then we are going to put guys

915
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Speaker 4: in places where we know it's gonna mess you up.

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Speaker 3: That just makes a.

917
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Speaker 4: Pass such a hard task to complete. It's like, why

918
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: wouldn't you just run the ball? You know, like they

919
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 4: put nine guys in the box.

920
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the other fun part of it too is that

922
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 2: you know, it was such a zone run heavy league.

923
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Speaker 2: I think we're also seeing teams ball away from that, right,

924
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: We're seeing a lot more gap seem stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're duo, you know.

926
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Speaker 2: I think teams figured out how to deal with the

927
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Speaker 2: outside zone run finally, and now you know, by putting

928
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Speaker 2: a lot of fast and how many how many two

929
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five pounds linebackers are starting in the

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Speaker 2: NFL now when Land and Collins came to the league,

931
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Speaker 2: that's how much he weighed as a safety, and how

932
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Speaker 2: these guys are being a linebacker. So I think just

933
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Speaker 2: more power run game and see how defense is now

934
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Speaker 2: kind of zigged to that zag.

935
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Speaker 4: Passing games were so extravagant for so long, and now

936
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Speaker 4: you apply that extravagance to the run game.

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Speaker 3: Like you watched Notre Dame last year.

938
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Speaker 4: They had a quarterback who literally couldn't throw the ball

939
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 4: and they made it to any national championship game based

940
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: on because you're borring from the academy, you're borrowing from

941
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan, you're barring from Sean McVay.

942
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Speaker 3: It has to be that diverse.

943
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 4: An offensive line needs to know five or six different

944
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 4: schools of thought.

945
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Speaker 2: Connor, tell the folks about everything you're doing. Anything you

946
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: want them to know about the pods, written content you

947
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: name it.

948
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Speaker 4: Yeah, SI dot com and Sports Illustrated the magazine. Like

949
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 4: you know, I'm hearing a lot of people subscribing again,

950
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: which is good. Like we get to a news stand,

951
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 4: you buy it. It's a lot of fun. You're not

952
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 4: staring at a screen all the time.

953
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: And then pods.

954
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: We got the MMQB podcast on the Sports Illustrated Network

955
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: with myself and Albert Breer and uh yeah, just everywhere. Right,

956
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: We're gonna be talking about football on every platform imaginable

957
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: for the next eight months.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing. It's great.

959
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: I mean, the first game is less than two weeks away, man,

960
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: We're getting there. It's fun, Connor, this is a lot

962
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Speaker 1: of fun. Man. Let's catch up soon. If you come

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00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: out to camp, we'll have you on again, and let's stay.

964
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Speaker 3: In touch, my friend, all right, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Connor Orr from Sports Illustrated on the Giants Total Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens' Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. From the Hackensack Marine Hills

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Speaker 1: Podcast Studio. Keep getting better.