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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast and it Today

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Speaker 2: is an extra special episode of Frankie Friday because it's

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Speaker 2: Ashley's birthday. Happy Birthday, Ashley, Happy birthday.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Frankie Friday falls on my birthday. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: very much.

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Speaker 2: Let's celebrate you. How are you celebrating?

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Speaker 4: I one, I think.

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Speaker 3: I've never had a birthday. I'm not sure hit me

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Speaker 3: as hard as this one's hitting me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that thirty eight is like undeniably upper thirties,

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Speaker 3: and it'll be just a blink of an eye until

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Speaker 3: I'm forty. And I realize that like all the things

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Speaker 3: that I can still pass as being like cute, like

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Speaker 3: me and like my fangirl self, maybe I could pass

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Speaker 3: that off at forty, but like mid forty, like what

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Speaker 3: like how am I supposed to I'm supposed to fangirl

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Speaker 3: at forty or I'm just kind of scared that, like

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Speaker 3: I'm really through adulthood.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you didn't feel that way when you

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Speaker 2: had two kids?

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Speaker 3: No, Because I realized that I've been able to still

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Speaker 3: indulge in the things that I love.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna be able to be child like still with

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Speaker 4: my children.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just like, oh my god, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be forty before you know it, And like, is that

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Speaker 2: I have a friend who is forty and a grandmother.

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Speaker 3: What that's Emily Maynard Like Emily Maynerd's thirty nine in

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Speaker 3: a grandma?

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Speaker 2: See, you could be that. Actually, the truth of this is,

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Speaker 2: I actually think it gets better with age because you

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Speaker 2: get more confident in your fangirl than and all the

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Speaker 2: people your fan girling over are like older than you

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Speaker 2: or about the same age.

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Speaker 4: That is what I'm so grateful for.

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Speaker 3: So I was with Carly and Jade this week and

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Speaker 3: we were like talking about out who are big fans

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Speaker 3: of or like who our celebrity crushes are and all that,

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Speaker 3: and they're like, well, at least everybody is of your

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Speaker 4: It's not like you're just like trying to go.

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Speaker 2: To a Yeah, if you were like telling me I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have to stop going out till two am, I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, hey, yeah, that's probably smart, Ashley. I don't

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Speaker 2: know still how you do that at your age, but

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Speaker 2: your life.

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Speaker 3: Mine is kind of all age appropriate because like everything

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Speaker 3: is very millennial oriented.

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Speaker 4: I'm not like going after gen Z heroes.

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Speaker 2: No, you're great, You're you're I feel like you should

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Speaker 2: like fly into this. And here's the cool part is

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Speaker 2: you're like when you put on clothes, you're fit. Well

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Speaker 2: you show up to this. Sometimes I like a T shirt.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, pajamas.

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Speaker 2: Same here. This was no judgment. I'm saying when you're

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Speaker 2: when you like your fashion, sins and all those things,

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Speaker 2: they they will still be rocked at forty. And people

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Speaker 2: because she's gonna you're gonna keep it a little younger

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Speaker 2: than you're going to keep it together at forty. And

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Speaker 2: people are like, I want to look like Ashley when

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Speaker 2: I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm not saying that, Like my look is

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Speaker 3: gonna reflect and still have two more years. And forty

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Speaker 3: to me is like when I see who's forty these days,

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Speaker 3: I don't think like, oh my gosh, that person looks old,

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Speaker 3: forty sounds old really, but for some reason, I think

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Speaker 3: it's because like I remember my mom's fortieth birthday, like

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Speaker 3: like I remember exactly what we did, and like, you know,

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Speaker 3: so when now you're becoming the age that you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I still remember that. That

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Speaker 2: is I'm not far behind. What do you want for

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Speaker 3: Well, I had a fantastic birthday. I went to New

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Speaker 3: Like when people say, like, why do you love New

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Speaker 4: That was I've never done that before.

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Speaker 3: It was amazing, and just being able to spend girls

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Speaker 3: It's just truly the best birthday party, a birthday party,

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Speaker 3: birthday gift that I could give myself. I don't have

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Speaker 3: anything else on the docket, but that's usually what I

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Speaker 4: Like a little mini trip for my birthday.

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Speaker 2: And that's perfect and so will you celebrate with the

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Speaker 2: family then on like this weekend, or are you celebrating

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Speaker 2: today since it is your birthday?

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Speaker 3: So today is trivia night at Audrey's, so Jared has

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Speaker 3: to work. But Jared did say vaguely, it was like, so,

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Speaker 3: do you have any plans for the weekend? And I'm

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the actual day, I don't really have super plans.

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Speaker 2: I bet his Superman costume comes out. Hey, let's dive

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Speaker 2: into Frankie Friday. Okay, headline, is this why Taylor Frankie

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Speaker 2: Paul thinks she was gifted the bachelorette role?

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Speaker 3: Well, she said to E News that she was gifted

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Speaker 3: this for another chapter of her life. She said that

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Speaker 3: she's been criticized and judged and rejected, but anyone that

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Speaker 4: She actually ricks a good.

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Speaker 3: Point here, she's actually the first woman to be the

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Speaker 3: bachelorette but not come from the franchise. We've had that

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Speaker 3: with bachelor's before, but not bachelorettes. And she says that

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Speaker 3: but what I would like to she says, it's a gift.

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Speaker 3: And if we go to our if we go to

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Speaker 3: this as a gift to her as well. That actually

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Speaker 3: leads us into our next headline, where her castmates Macy

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Speaker 3: They actually say that they don't think she was in

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Speaker 3: But she said that like they said something along the

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Speaker 3: lines of she didn't like doesn't love herself enough. At

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Speaker 3: this point, they said that you know, her relationship is

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Speaker 3: still so like interwoven in her life. But then they

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Speaker 3: also say that this is like an into little words,

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Speaker 3: she almost had to like physically remove herself like from

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Speaker 3: the state and not see him for a certain amount

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Speaker 3: of time to you know, start fresh.

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Speaker 2: I really hope he doesn't show up.

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Speaker 4: I feel like they may not have him show up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like I thought, yes, Now I think

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Speaker 3: maybe no, Maybe they know it's not good for her

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Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't think it's healthy for anybody

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Speaker 2: would just make people mad that he's back there when

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Speaker 2: she's trying to pursue one of their you know, favorites.

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Speaker 3: And and actually he did say on a podcast that

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Speaker 2: Paul's trauma may block bachelorette love Ashley, I'll say this

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Speaker 2: from everything that let's just pause here. Can we pause here? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We've talked about Taylor Frankie Paul a lot now, which

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Speaker 2: has been great. It's been a great thing. Frankie Fridays

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Speaker 2: have been fun. We've got to know her better after

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Speaker 2: the headlines, her captions, her interviews, the things we've spoken about.

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Speaker 2: Do you think she finds love during this? Like, do

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Speaker 2: you think she's hinting at that?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, not really, I don't really think so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a great feeling. I think that it

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Speaker 3: break her away from seeing Dakota as her partner. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that she's gonna have like a traditional

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Speaker 2: It could be why she's been processing so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she seems too stressed to be truly.

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Speaker 4: In butterfly stage of love.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: advice she gave new Bachelorette star Taylor Frankie Paul.

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Speaker 4: I like this advice that Taysha gave.

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Speaker 3: She said, I've told her, you can't look at any

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Speaker 3: She said that I don't want her to copy any

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Speaker 3: her your all, being the moment, fall in love and

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Speaker 3: do your thing. And she said, I really I feel

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Speaker 3: like she's really gonna shake everything up and it's going

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Speaker 3: to be exactly what the franchise really needed. I kind

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Speaker 3: of agree with everything Tasha says there.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Tasha. You got to make it your own. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I do think some advice is warranted when it

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Speaker 2: comes to like, hey, here's how you can expect things

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Speaker 2: into a room like that kind of stuff is helpful,

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Speaker 2: But for the most part, we want these people being themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're very good at giving future bachelor advice.

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Speaker 4: You love it. You love it.

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Speaker 3: You should write a little manual, a bachelor manual. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so you just give each guy a little pamphlet.

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Speaker 2: Now hasn't happened in years. Probably why the show is,

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Speaker 2: you know, so downhill exactly. It's all my advice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, before we go into the next timeline, I just

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Speaker 3: Macy and Mikayla did say that I think it is interesting.

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Speaker 3: The advice that they give her is to seek peace

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Speaker 3: and not revenge, and that success is the best form

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Speaker 3: of revenge.

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Speaker 4: I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to get specific revenge on someone, but

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Speaker 3: if you are successful, you'll feel very satisfied.

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Speaker 2: It's biblical, right, Yeah, it is. You don't like necessarily

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Speaker 2: look for vengeance. You just like crush them with love

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Speaker 2: and kindness. It's like burning Cole's being dumped over their

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Speaker 2: out of this. This person's too great. I just nothing

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Speaker 2: else bad to say about them. They're crushing it. I'm

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Speaker 2: not final. Headline is something that changes season on The

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Speaker 2: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

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Speaker 4: The upcoming season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the upcoming season. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: But the headline it reads the Secret Lives of Mormon

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Speaker 2: Wives stars are now executive producers, So.

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Speaker 4: We don't know what this means.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's truly just a title, just a credit. Like

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Speaker 3: our producer Heather would know more as she is in casting.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, I feel like this is just a

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Speaker 3: I just don't know, because I think that they're gonna

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Speaker 3: try to eliminate some dramas right now, Like the Kardashians

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Speaker 3: are executive producers on their Hulu show, and like they

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Speaker 3: we cannot put that in there, and Kim is like.

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Speaker 4: We are absolutely putting that fight in there.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know that with a show when it's

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Speaker 3: work out if you give them editing control. I do

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Speaker 3: want to mention before we get how they're on for

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Speaker 3: her two cents that because the show has been such

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Speaker 3: a success so quickly it got Emmy nomination. It did

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Speaker 3: lose to Netflix is Love on the Spectrum, But because

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Speaker 3: it has been such a huge hit, sometimes they'll renegotiate contracts,

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Speaker 3: give titles like this, give more money before the actual

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Speaker 3: the contract is up, Like perhaps they signed for five seasons,

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Speaker 5: Ashley, You're a pro You don't even need me to

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Speaker 5: jump in on this one because everything you just said

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Speaker 5: was what I would say, which is, I do think

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Speaker 5: it's more of a vanity credit than anything else, and

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Speaker 5: I do think it also correlates with a bump and pay,

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Speaker 5: and yes, you're not going to let the talent on

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Speaker 5: a show like this where also their name is not

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Speaker 5: in the title, right. I think that's a huge defining

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Speaker 5: difference between Kardashians and Secret Lives is that is actually

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Speaker 5: their family name in the title. That is their brand.

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Speaker 5: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is a brand that is

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Speaker 5: owned by Hulu, and they have the ability to change

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Speaker 5: the talent, and that is also probably something that they

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Speaker 5: will not have the ability to do as executive producers,

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Speaker 5: is like fire their castmates. Oh and we're getting a

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Speaker 5: note here too. If they are EPs, they are award worthy, yes,

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Speaker 5: so that is another reason so that they can win

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Speaker 5: I think we're also seeing this happen in season four

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Speaker 3: They're trying to get the girls happy too, like they

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. That'll keep you on board if I

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Speaker 5: say I'm going to also make you an executive producer. Yes,

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Speaker 5: that is going to get somebody to you resign a contract.

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Speaker 3: So there's also some speculation that Demi is not a

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Speaker 2: She got the axe.

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Speaker 5: No, she's appearing on the show. We know that because

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Speaker 5: she's in the trailer. But yeah, it looks like that

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Speaker 5: make you guys EPs if you sign on. Since she's

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Speaker 5: still kind of playing hardball, maybe that was the case

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Speaker 5: where they were like, we're not going to offer it

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons and something that they used as negotiation.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 5: I think it says at the bottom of that article,

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Speaker 5: exactly how many EPs.

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Speaker 2: There are of this show?

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Speaker 5: Now it's a lot and the same thing if you

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Speaker 5: watch Kardashians, the list of EP credits that roll at

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Speaker 5: the beginning of the show are very long.

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Speaker 2: Does it take away from the EP credit?

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Speaker 5: I think that I think it gives the talent. It's

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Speaker 5: it helps the talent and the title that they need

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Speaker 5: so that when they eventually break off and do other

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Speaker 5: something because they've already got this kind of check box already.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it diminishes the other producers.

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Speaker 3: No, all right, Heather, Well, thanks for your input there, Ben,

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Speaker 3: this is a good time.

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Speaker 4: I'm having a good time with the with the analyzation

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Speaker 4: of this show.

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Speaker 3: Yaw, it will be merging with The Bachelor at So guys.

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Speaker 2: Hold up, hold up, hold up, Happy birth to you?

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Speaker 2: Have they birth they to you?

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Speaker 6: Happy birthday, Dear Ashley, Happy birthday to you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: You have a March birthday too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at the end of the month. Let's not

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Speaker 2: talk about it. Hey, until next time.

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