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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: How's everybody doing on this Thursday? Chris Browse Steve Tasker

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Speaker 2: with you. One Bill's Live is your.

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Speaker 1: Show of choice.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing it and spending your afternoon with us.

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Speaker 2: As we close in on the Week four matchup with

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Speaker 2: the Saints just a few days away now, one o'clock kickoff, We're.

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Speaker 1: A month into it. Man, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It is pretty wild. It goes fast, it really fast.

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Speaker 2: It's so fund raising kids. You know, the days are long,

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Speaker 2: but the years are fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's a good point. I remember that saying,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I think the weeks are long, but the

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Speaker 1: games are fast. In this season when you're three and oh,

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Speaker 1: it goes fast because it's so it's been so fun

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Speaker 2: Well that is true, you know, and we hope the

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Speaker 2: fun continues us.

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Speaker 1: It's been a long week. We've played like a week ago.

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Speaker 1: Tonight was the last game, so it's it's been it

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Speaker 1: feels like it's been a minute.

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Speaker 2: You got Cardinals tonight, Cardinals against the Seahawks, and I

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Speaker 2: believe the Cardinals are wearing their rivalry uniforms that the

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Speaker 2: sand speckled jerseys. It's supposed to be a sandstorm.

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Speaker 1: They're calling them the tortilla jerseys out of derision, but

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Speaker 1: that's it'd be nice. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see how they time. I'm curious to

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Speaker 2: see how they look on television, you know, like do

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Speaker 2: they just look like a speckled message.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways to go with that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at it now. It's okay, it's not all

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Speaker 1: that different from they're white on white, but it is

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Speaker 1: it looks like it got splattered by gray bye sand,

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Speaker 1: right sort of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of or.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a tortilla a little bit, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I like it those in the detail. There's a couple

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Speaker 1: of ways to do it. And for some of these clubs,

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Speaker 1: they go back to the retro thing and they kind

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Speaker 1: of like the Bills kind of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this Rivalry series was the the invitation to

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Speaker 2: get ultra creative.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So there's you can go like the Bills did.

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Speaker 1: Where they went where they went like total city snowscape, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: frozen ice kind of thing. I get. It's kind of cool,

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Speaker 1: but let's face it, when push comes to shove, they

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Speaker 1: don't want these jerseys stuff to like just sell, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean they want to Yeah, I want one of those.

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Speaker 2: You're clearly appealing to a younger age demographic with these, yeah,

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Speaker 2: not to say you know older people that like them too,

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Speaker 2: but you're pushing the envelope in terms of design and concept.

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Speaker 2: I think to appeal to the younger kids who are

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Speaker 2: used to new jersey reveals and third jerseys and alternate jerseys.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a nod to like in

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Speaker 1: every industry, and some people out there and know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about called best practices where you look at

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Speaker 1: other people in your industry and they say, hey, here's

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Speaker 1: how they do it. Now, that's a good idea. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna adopt that. Right. So you look, So

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Speaker 1: the the NFL looking around at MLS and Champions League,

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Speaker 2: Oh, they sneeze and they have a new kid, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: Soccer has a new kit every weekend. They call it

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Speaker 1: But so the NFL is going, all right, let's let's

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Speaker 1: do it. And so the rivalries jerseys were born. I

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Speaker 2: Like, well maybe this, maybe this, Well we know this

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Speaker 2: And then after four years, when the whole league has

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Speaker 1: It's like a new set. They gotta get a new

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Speaker 2: I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying that's what

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Speaker 2: they're arguing with me. No, that's what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: It feels like you're arguing with me.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not. You'll know if I'm arguing.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me this week. So if you're arguing

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Speaker 1: with me because I'll be losing.

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Speaker 2: This week's home game against the Saints is presented by

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Speaker 2: Collida Health, the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: Let's spin it over to practice updates, which are presented

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Speaker 2: by Lee Coom Your Lake Erie of Your Lake Erie

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Speaker 2: College of Osteopathic Medicine, and we begin with the new

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Speaker 2: additions to the injury report. Bills are back on the

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Speaker 2: practice field and we'll have to see if Spencer Brown

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Speaker 2: Matt Mulano or Ed Oliver returned to participate in practice.

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Speaker 2: All three set out Wednesday's session with calf, ankle, and

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Speaker 2: peck ailments respectively. Aj Epenessa was a new edition with

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Speaker 2: a peck injury. He was listed as limited Wednesday. We'll

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Speaker 2: was not mentioned by coach mcdermodads press conference prior to

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Speaker 2: the practice, So there are some that are wondering did

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Speaker 2: if he's not practicing today, I think the strong there's

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Speaker 2: see on that. It is also James Cook's birthday today. Hey,

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Speaker 2: mister Cook is twenty six today. Happy birthday, Jimbo. So

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Speaker 2: good for him. Born on this date in nineteen ninety nine. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, isn't that wild? I got married in

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Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 1: I was retired in nineteen ninety nine. You beat me,

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Speaker 1: I was done. You're playing in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: In Other Bills News, former Bill center Mitch Morse is

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Speaker 2: a tw hundred fifty do gift car. Let's go right, So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's funny. We we had Mitchell on the show earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week, and we also tape a segment with

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Speaker 2: him for Buffalo Bill's Weekly, and he already had gotten

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Speaker 2: word obviously, travel arrangements and such. He's he's a little

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Speaker 2: nervous for this first run here. Well understandably so. But

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Speaker 2: you stick to the script, right.

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Speaker 1: That's what I tell all those guys. Don't deviate. Nobody

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Speaker 1: wants that need, no need for no need. You don't need.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to be on You're not in showbiz.

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Speaker 1: Just do the line right and read the card. Read

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Speaker 1: the card. That's I've done it a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: You know because they've had they've had guys you know who,

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Speaker 1: flight got delayed whatever, whatever, and they hey, can you

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Speaker 1: step in real quick? And it's not easy.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're waiting for the crowd to react to

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Speaker 1: Right, and there's a little bit of a delay and

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Speaker 1: all that. Yagay, yagay. It's not easy. Plus just standing

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Speaker 1: not nothing. It's not nothing.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, Mitch will take his maiden voyage as legend

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Speaker 1: He's going to be great. He'll be great. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: comfortable in his own skin.

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Speaker 2: Although I will say I don't think there has ever

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Speaker 2: been a point in time where I have heard Mitch

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Speaker 2: Morris raise his voice, and he will need to do

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Speaker 2: that to get this crowd amped up on Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Every time we see him, he's in a press he

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Speaker 1: He was, yeah, even off person, very articulate.

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Speaker 2: But soft spoken. So I'd like to hear the how

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Speaker 2: this man bellows when he has to get excited and

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Speaker 1: You know, he was yelling on the football field, just

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Speaker 2: But you know, it'll be a new side of he's Mitch.

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Speaker 1: That name here was Dad. Yeah, And he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Calm, He's not Frank.

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Speaker 1: I've seen this a million times.

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Speaker 2: Not Frank the tank at a party.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not Frank the tank at a party exactly. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the NFL and there's some interesting news happening.

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Speaker 2: Jets quarterback Justin Fields is going to return to practice

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Speaker 2: today for New York though he is still in concussion protocol.

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Speaker 2: head coach Aaron Glenn said if Fields clears protocol by

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Speaker 2: the end of the week, he will start in Week

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Speaker 2: four against My Emmy, the other New Jersey club, The

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Speaker 2: New York Giants, are having rookie Jackson Dart make his

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Speaker 2: first career NFL start against the three and oh Chargers. Steve.

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Speaker 2: Only five quarterbacks since the nineteen seventy merger have ever

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Speaker 2: beaten a three and OH opponent. In their first career start.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you the years in which that happened.

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Speaker 2: I want to see if you can give me the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy onward.

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Speaker 2: Player getting their first career started quarterback and beating a

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Speaker 1: Give me the year.

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Speaker 2: First year is nineteen seventy nine. Give me a quarterback

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Speaker 2: that you I think might have pulled it off.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna say seventy nine. No, Dan Fouts is.

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Speaker 2: Not Dan Fouts. I'll give you one more shot at it.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that might be a little too soon. No,

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Speaker 1: not saying Burt Jones. I'm gonna say nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: Tommy Kramer.

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Speaker 2: It is Phil Simms, Phil Simms, I know Phil, all right.

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Speaker 2: The next year, Yeah, the next year, nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: it's not Harrorballs in eighty four, eighty five, I'm gonna say, oh,

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Speaker 2: They out muscle them. Yeah, they were the more physical

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Speaker 2: They save they're baking them multitude of times. Washington Commander's

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Speaker 1: I hate to put it like this, but it's harder

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Speaker 2: of discussion for you today concerns Sunday's game. What must

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Speaker 1: What do you need?

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Speaker 2: about ten twelve minutes, we'll catch up with Saints sideline

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Speaker 1: Well, generally speaking, I'd love to have the defense like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of in that. I'm in a similar boat.

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Speaker 2: I would really like to see them get some red

434
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Speaker 2: zone stops because they're twenty six in red zone defense

435
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Speaker 2: after three games. I want to see that show go

436
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: up more forcing field goals or even better, you know,

437
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: turning a team away with nothing. I know that's easier

438
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: said than done. And while the first and second down

439
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: defense had improved last week against the Dolphins, the third

440
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Speaker 2: down defense did not. It took a noticeable step back,

441
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Speaker 2: and I want to see them get off the field

442
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Speaker 2: on third down two. So I guess that kind of

443
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Speaker 2: goes a little bit hand in hand with the red

444
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Speaker 2: zone defense. But those are two areas that I think

445
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Speaker 2: they're going to be looking to improve. So I'm hoping

446
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: to see better collective play because it sounds like from

447
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Speaker 2: what coach McDermott has been talking about the issue at

448
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: hand is largely playing as an eleven man unit and

449
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: working off one another to be effective within the scope

450
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Speaker 2: of the scheme, and so I think we're all kind

451
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Speaker 2: of hoping we see better synergy between players as an

452
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: eleven man unit.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather see the whole side of the ball play

454
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Speaker 1: good than have like Joey Bosa gets six sacks or

455
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Speaker 1: something like that, right you want to. I want to

456
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Speaker 1: see him all play better together.

457
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Speaker 2: Although I wouldn't have a problem with a six sec game,

458
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: but anybody I wouldn't turn it down to say we

459
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: got to step aside here as we're up against the break.

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Speaker 2: But when we come back, we'll check in with Jeff Noak,

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Speaker 2: sideline reporter for the Saints Radio Network. Find out what's

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Speaker 2: going on down in New Orleans. Next here on One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live, presented by KLIDA Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: Back here on One of Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 2: and at least to be joined now by Saints Radio

467
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Speaker 2: sideline reporter, the host of the Inside of the Black

468
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Speaker 2: and Gold podcast and sports producer. Over at WWL Radio

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Speaker 2: down in New Orleans, it is Jeff Noak. Joining us

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Speaker 2: and Jeff thanks for the time. First and foremost, I

471
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Speaker 2: guess I should start here. First year head coaching Kellen

472
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: Moore largely looked at this roster, and I would I

473
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Speaker 2: would hope that most Saints fans would realize that this

474
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: is a rebuilding effort in many respects. So maybe just

475
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Speaker 2: paint the picture for us in terms of what Saints

476
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: fans expectations were. I mean, nobody wants so and three,

477
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Speaker 2: but were they Do you feel like Saints fans were

478
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: at least realistic in realizing they probably were gonna have

479
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Speaker 2: to be patient starting with Kellen Moore here and you know,

480
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Speaker 2: kind of a new chapter.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think most Saints fans came into this year

482
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 6: kind of knowing what the picture was going to be,

483
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 6: which is a team that was not gonna win a

484
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 6: ton of games, right, Like, there's always a hope, you know,

485
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 6: fans are going to be optimistic to a fault, but

486
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 6: there's always a hope that, hey, you know, even with

487
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 6: some of the headwinds are flying into even with a

488
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 6: young quarterback Derek Carr retires, you can make it work,

489
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Speaker 6: you know. I think at the end of the day,

490
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Speaker 6: what fans want is entertaining football. You know, like you

491
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 6: wait all week to watch a game on Sunday and

492
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Speaker 6: you want that game to at least be something worth watching.

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Speaker 7: And for the first two weeks you got that.

494
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 6: You got the Saints going out and playing hard, you know,

495
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 6: looking ready to play. They took the Cardinals down to

496
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 6: the final possession. Buddha Baker makes it great play, knocks

497
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 6: the ball out of Juwan Johnson's hands. But it's like,

498
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 6: all right, you were right there, forty nine ers the

499
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 6: same situation. You had the ball at about midfield, down

500
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Speaker 6: five with a minute left. Bryce Houff comes around the

501
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 6: edge unblocked, knocks the ball out, fumble, game over.

502
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Speaker 7: But you at least competed. You were there.

503
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Speaker 6: What happened in Seattle last week finally rankled some people

504
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 6: because you just saw a team that wasn't ready. You

505
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 6: went out on the road for the first time and

506
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 6: just didn't look prepared, didn't look like you could handle it.

507
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 6: And you know, I think that's kind of where you're

508
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 6: at right now, is okay, how does this team bounce back?

509
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 6: How does Kellen Moore, the first time head coach, handle

510
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 6: that situation? Because when you're when you're not a great team.

511
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 6: You'll have games like that, You'll have games that get

512
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 6: away from you. Special teams kind of collapsed. But that

513
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 6: can't be every week, right, that it be every time

514
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 6: you go into a hostile environment, you lay an egg.

515
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Speaker 6: And so that's what I think you're you're kind of

516
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 6: hopeful for this week, is you see the answer?

517
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Speaker 2: Now?

518
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Speaker 6: The problem is that came in Week three ahead of

519
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 6: a matchup that I would say is the most difficult

520
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 6: matchup the Saints have all year. They're going to be

521
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 6: sixteen point underdogs going into this game. So that's you

522
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 6: set yourself up with a really difficult challenge, which is

523
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Speaker 6: you have to go and play a game and be

524
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Speaker 6: competitive in a game against the team that's probably gonna

525
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 6: beat you. So you know, it's, uh, there is a

526
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Speaker 6: lot of optimism at the start, but when you play

527
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 6: the way the Saints did out in Seattle, you'll start

528
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Speaker 6: to question that really quickly.

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it did get out of hand in Seattle,

530
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Speaker 1: but really you look at and you're right, the special

531
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: teams kind of blew up in their face. They got

532
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: a kick return for a punt return for a touchdown,

533
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Speaker 1: they had a block punt that was smothered deep in

534
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Speaker 1: their own end, and then they got the long kickoff

535
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Speaker 1: return that set up this the Seahawks for another score.

536
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Speaker 1: And that was all in the first half as it

537
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Speaker 1: got going. But when I was watching, I don't know,

538
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, we don't spend too much time looking at

539
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: each other. The Saints don't play the Bills very often

540
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: and vice versa. But I'm kind of liking what I'm

541
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: seeing from Spencer Rattler. He's got arm talent, he seems poised.

542
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Speaker 1: They seem to have a plan. I like the way

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Speaker 1: they go up tempo to give him a chance to

544
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Speaker 1: really get under to get going and get some matchups

545
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: they like. They don't. That game in Seattle got out

546
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: of hand quick and but they never aside from the

547
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: penalties as well, which really stacked up in the Seattle game.

548
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: I get that, But it doesn't look like they've bott

549
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: They're at the bottom of the of the barrel here

550
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: because I really do show some life offensively. Their offensive

551
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: line does need some help, maybe a little more disciplined perhaps,

552
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Speaker 1: But Spencer Rattler, and of course the skill group looks

553
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Speaker 1: to be pretty good to me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's it's been an interesting offense to watch,

555
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 6: just in the sense that they're getting the ball out

556
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 6: of Spencer's hands really quickly. I think he has really

557
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Speaker 6: developed into year two. It's tough because you look at

558
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Speaker 6: a guy who's lost his first nine NFL starts and

559
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 6: you want to say, like, oh, well, it's not really

560
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 6: on him. But at a certain point, you're just an

561
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 6: oh in ten quarterback and there's no excuses that are

562
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 6: going to be made for you. As an oh in

563
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 6: ten quarterback. You're going to be talking about him in

564
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 6: the same sentence as to Shun Kaiser, right Like, that's

565
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 6: that's who you're being compared to right now. But that said, like,

566
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Speaker 6: I think the reason he's still your quarterback in week

567
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Speaker 6: four is because he has played well enough to be

568
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Speaker 6: your quarterback. You know, he hasn't been turning the ball over,

569
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 6: he hasn't been putting the ball in danger. He's been

570
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 6: making good reads. I would argue he could be a

571
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 6: little bit more aggressive on some of his reads, but

572
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 6: he's also been using his legs for positive in positive situations,

573
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 6: you know, picking up key first downs, and that's what

574
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 6: you needed from him, and that's what you.

575
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 7: Want from him.

576
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Speaker 6: You know, this team really does like Tyler Shuck, They're

577
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 6: not going to throw him into the action. You know,

578
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 6: Jackson Dart being named the starter in New York kind

579
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 6: of creates the conversation with the Saints, But I really

580
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 6: don't think they're that close. I always kind of pointed

581
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 6: to this game is like we're going to get through

582
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 6: week four and this Buffalo matchup, it's the last place

583
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Speaker 6: I want a rookie to go out to go play

584
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 6: and then kind of go from there. But no, I

585
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 6: think this team is happy with what they've seen out

586
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 6: of Spencer. I think he's developed nicely, and you look

587
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Speaker 6: at the first three games. I don't put it on

588
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Speaker 6: the quarterback. And as long as you can say the

589
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Speaker 6: quarterback is not the reason you're losing, then you're getting

590
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 6: representative play out of that guy. And you know, I

591
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 6: also think he has a good personality to lead a

592
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 6: team in this situation, right, Like, he's not trying to

593
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 6: do too much. He's just letting the offense kind of

594
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 6: work for him. And it needs to be the run game,

595
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 6: it needs to be the screen game. Juwan Johnson needs

596
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 6: to have a big impact. I do know there's a

597
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 6: little bit of frustration brewing with the wide receivers. You know,

598
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Speaker 6: you're you're Chris Olave and you're catching ten balls for

599
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 6: fifty seven yards, Like, that's not what you want to see.

600
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Speaker 6: You don't want five point seven yards per catch. You're

601
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 6: not a running back. So I do think that needs

602
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 6: to be more implemented as Rashichi Kris Olave going downfield

603
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: and attacking downfield. But no, I don't think the offense

604
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 6: has been the biggest issue for this team. And like

605
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Speaker 6: you said, you know, special teams. When you're a team

606
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 6: where the Saints are and you have a special teams

607
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Speaker 6: unit that's effectively surrendering twenty one points, you're not gonna

608
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Speaker 6: win games. And you can't put that on the quarterback.

609
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 6: So they have a lot of things to clean up.

610
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Speaker 6: I don't think Spencer Ratler's the biggest issue right now.

611
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Speaker 2: It did touch on it though, there, Jeff, So I

612
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Speaker 2: want to kind of dive in a little bit deeper

613
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Speaker 2: because you look at Rattler's yards per pass attempt and

614
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: it's like five point three seven. I think only two

615
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: quarterbacks have a lower yards per attempt in the league

616
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Speaker 2: that start every week. Flacco is one of them. Is

617
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Speaker 2: that more of a byproduct of the protection not holding

618
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: up long enough, so more is calling, you know, a

619
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Speaker 2: short to intermediate game to get the ball out of

620
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Speaker 2: Rattler's hands. Is there something else at work there or

621
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Speaker 2: is that just Rattler trying to stay high percentage and

622
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Speaker 2: try to keep the offense on schedule because you mentioned

623
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Speaker 2: how there really hasn't been any threat of a downfield

624
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Speaker 2: passing game and just wondering if there's if there are

625
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: clues as to why that's the case.

626
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Speaker 6: Well, it's tough this early in the season. It's tough

627
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 6: to make any kind of broad assertions of why one

628
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 6: thing is one thing against Seattle. You get up twenty

629
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 6: eight to three in the first half, what are you

630
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 6: doing as a defense. You're not exactly gonna surrender anything

631
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Speaker 6: over the top. You're gonna say, we're gonna put a

632
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 6: shell on this thing, and you're gonna have to operate underneath.

633
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 6: And the mistake a young quarterback would make is still

634
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 6: trying to force the ball downfield into coverage. Like the

635
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 6: smart thing to do is to just work underneath and

636
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: just make the offense go. And I think they did

637
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 6: that and that is a product of the situation. But no,

638
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Speaker 6: I mean this team hasn't been particularly aggressive downfield. What

639
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 6: Kellen Moore has been coaching Spencer Ratler on and the

640
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 6: basketball imagery you'll go with is three pointers in layups,

641
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 6: Like that's very much what they're looking for from Spencer,

642
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 6: is Hey, if the big play is there, go after it.

643
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 6: If not, just take the free play, take the easy yards.

644
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 6: And I think they probably aired a little too far

645
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 6: onto the layup side of that, because when you have

646
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 6: rashiit jihed one on one with a corner, you go

647
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Speaker 6: after him. But that's kind of just what's going on

648
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 6: in the NFL right now is teams are gonna put

649
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Speaker 6: a shell on you. The Cardinals played a ton of

650
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 6: shell in that game, and they were just weren't particularly aggressive,

651
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 6: and they were testing a young quarterback to see if

652
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Speaker 6: he could go all the way down the field and

653
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Speaker 6: not make a mistake. And odds are that's that's what's

654
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 6: gonna happen. So now I think they need to they

655
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 6: need to find ways to generate more over the middle

656
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: of the field, more crossing routes, because you know, you're

657
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 6: talking about yards per yards per pass versus yards for

658
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 6: versus air yards per pass, right, Like, you don't need

659
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 6: to necessarily throw the ball forty yards to get forty

660
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 6: yards in the pass game, but you do have to

661
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 6: get a guy on the run. And that's what I

662
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 6: think the Saints need to be better at, is getting

663
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 6: Shaheed and a Lave in space wherever they are so

664
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Speaker 6: they can pick up yards after the catch, because that's

665
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 6: really what it's been. It's been a lot of hey,

666
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 6: ten yards in down, eight yards in down because you

667
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 6: look at you look at teams like the Chiefs. The

668
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 6: Chiefs haven't been going over the top for years. They're

669
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 6: still picking up chunks of yardage because they find ways

670
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Speaker 6: to get guys in space and let them run. And

671
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 6: that's more than anything else. That's what I've been disappointed

672
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Speaker 6: in with this offense is just not giving those guys

673
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Speaker 6: any yack opportunities.

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Speaker 1: How has Kellen Moore handled a slow start?

675
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Speaker 7: You know, it's tough to get a good read on it.

676
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 6: You know, it's week three of or week four of

677
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 6: a new head coaching regime, and I do have some

678
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 6: questions on you know, not necessarily a slow start, because

679
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 6: I think that the first two weeks you're zero and

680
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 6: two and you're like, okay, but they're playing hard, they're working,

681
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 6: and I think it's it's a lot easier to be

682
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Speaker 6: a head coach in those instances.

683
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Speaker 7: It's okay, what happened this week? How do you do?

684
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Speaker 1: You can?

685
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 6: You can you ream some guys out in the locker

686
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 6: room and and do that the right way. And and

687
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 6: that's the question I think when you're a young coach

688
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 6: and you're a young guy, you know, he's he's in

689
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 6: his thirties. You know, he's younger than to Mario Davis.

690
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Speaker 6: So I think he's gonna he's leaning on some of

691
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Speaker 6: these veterans to help in that regard.

692
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Speaker 7: But we'll see.

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Speaker 6: I think that's you know, it's it's hard to have

694
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Speaker 6: a hardline take on Kelvin as a head coach before

695
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Speaker 6: this week. If they go out this week and look

696
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Speaker 6: like the same team we saw last week, then yeah,

697
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Speaker 6: I think you're very critical of visibility to kind of

698
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Speaker 6: bounce back and get his team to bounce back after

699
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 6: those performances. If they go up to Buffalo and they

700
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Speaker 6: and they look like the messaging has landed and the

701
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Speaker 6: reception there, then you know, you you applaud the coaching effort.

702
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Speaker 6: So you know, we're still too early, I think to

703
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 6: get a good read on it, but he's definitely not.

704
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Speaker 6: You know, you see a lot of coaches who are

705
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Speaker 6: gonna be out there on the sidelines screaming and huffing

706
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 6: and puffing and going after the refs, and he's You're

707
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Speaker 6: never gonna see a clip of Kellen on the sidelines

708
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Speaker 6: screaming for better or worse right, And I think that's

709
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Speaker 6: kind of telling of his personality.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned a veteran presence. It would appear that, you know,

711
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Speaker 2: outside of Cameron Jordan, that Justin Reid represents that on

712
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Speaker 2: the back end for this defensive player that the Bills

713
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: have seen, you know, plenty of times over the years

714
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Speaker 2: from his times with the Chiefs. How has he served

715
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Speaker 2: as maybe a settling influence on a back end that

716
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Speaker 2: you know has turned over considerably over the last couple

717
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Speaker 2: of years here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Justin is a very important piece of

719
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Speaker 6: his defense. And you know, it's it's it's a weird

720
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Speaker 6: situation because you signed Justin initially thinking hey, we're gonna

721
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Speaker 6: pair him with Tyron Matthew. Well, Tyron Matthew retires right

722
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Speaker 6: before it's camp and you go out and you find

723
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Speaker 6: Julian Blackman, who I think was a great addition for

724
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Speaker 6: them in terms of what they needed. Well Week one,

725
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Speaker 6: I think Julian went out and played really well, but

726
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Speaker 6: then after the game, you know, did not go into

727
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Speaker 6: the injury tent, did not get any treatment at the stadium,

728
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 6: goes home and realizes he has a shoulder injury. It

729
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 6: ends up being a labrim injury that requires surgery, so

730
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Speaker 6: he's done for the year. So now you're looking at

731
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Speaker 6: rookie Jonas Sanker across from Justin Reid, and so you're

732
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Speaker 6: asking not only a rookie to do a little bit

733
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Speaker 6: more than you probably wanted to be asking. You're asking

734
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Speaker 6: Justin Reid to be be a mentor and a coach,

735
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Speaker 6: and you know your your star safety back there. I

736
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Speaker 6: think the defense has has struggled a little bit through

737
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 6: the first few weeks, and you know, more so than

738
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: the secondary. I think you're asking the secondary to cover

739
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 6: too long. Like the stats that stood out to me

740
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 6: heading into this game that I think are going to

741
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 6: be very telling. The Saints currently are thirty second in

742
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 6: the NFL at pressuring the quarterback, and the Bills are

743
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 6: first in the NFL at not allowing quarterback pressures. And

744
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 6: when you're not getting to the quarterback. Everything on the

745
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 6: back end is going to look bad. Right Like, there's

746
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Speaker 6: gonna you're playing a ton of zone coverage and there's

747
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 6: gonna be spaces in those zones, and if you allow

748
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 6: receivers to just settle into the voids in your zone,

749
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 6: quarterbacks are gonna have an easy time just sitting there

750
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: making a sandwich and finding someone wide open. And that's

751
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 6: been the story to me, more so than the secondary.

752
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 6: But you got to figure something out. They haven't really

753
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 6: been opportunistic in terms of taking the ball away, no interceptions.

754
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 6: They did pick up a fumble last week with Quincy

755
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 6: Riley coming in the rookie taking over late in the

756
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 6: game and punching the ball out. But Justin, I think

757
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 6: Justin's been what they what they hope for. And I

758
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 6: think the tandem with Sankor and Read over the course

759
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 6: of time is gonna be a good one. I think

760
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 6: right now it's a weak spot.

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Speaker 1: What's Brandon Staley brought to this defense? Have they had

762
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: to revamp the entire defensive play calling system, everything? I mean,

763
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: this is all a new system to most of these guys, correct.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, they went from a four to three to

765
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Speaker 6: three four this offseason, and anyone who's watched a team

766
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 6: try to transition that from scheme to scheme on defense,

767
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Speaker 6: it takes a couple of years before you really get

768
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 6: that deck set the way you want it. And you

769
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 6: know you're asking guys like Cam Jordan to drop into

770
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 6: coverage a lot more, and you know Chase Young should

771
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 6: be here. He has been hurt over the first three weeks.

772
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Speaker 6: We haven't gotten out to practice yesterday, but I'm sorry

773
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 6: we haven't gotten out of practice.

774
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 7: Today to get the Thursday injury report.

775
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 6: But he was not out there on Wednesday, so it

776
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 6: appears he's not gonna be out there again. And I

777
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 6: think that's really limiting what what Brandon's been able to do.

778
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 6: But I do think he has a good defensive mind.

779
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 6: Like I don't think this the problem is the scheme.

780
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 6: I think the problem is you're just adjusting and you're

781
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 6: asking guys like you're asking Pete Warner to drop fifteen

782
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 6: yards into coverage and cover Christian McCaffrey. And these are

783
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 6: just things he's not used to doing. So there's mistakes.

784
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Speaker 6: You're seeing a lot of penalties. I think, I like,

785
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 6: I think the Kellen Moore Brandon's Daly offense defense combination

786
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Speaker 6: is one. And I'm gonna say this is kind of

787
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 6: a broken record, Like I think the team is going

788
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 6: to develop into something, it's just not where it needs

789
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 6: to be right now. And you're seeing that kind of

790
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 6: coalesce into difficult games on the road. You know, they

791
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 6: look a lot better at home than they did on

792
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 6: the road. So you know, I don't it's it's too

793
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 6: early in the season to say, oh, it's coaching, it's scheme,

794
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 6: But I do think his his messaging and I think

795
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 6: that the players are enjoying playing in this scheme.

796
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Speaker 2: Jeff, thanks for the time. We appreciate it. Safe travels

797
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: up here for Sunday's game.

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Speaker 7: Sound good, y'all think for that me on.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: That's Jeff Noak, sideline reporter for the Saints Radio Network

801
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: and also the host of the Inside the Black and

802
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: Gold podcast. Yeah, we remember those new coaching days, right, Steve,

803
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: Too many of them. Bill cycled through an awful lot

804
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: of coaches during the seventeen year playoff drout, and we've

805
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: seen what it's like when you're starting from scratch and

806
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: you're trying to build the thing back up and more importantly,

807
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: you're changing schemes like they are on.

808
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Speaker 1: Going from a four to three to a three fours

809
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: an enormous change. He got stand up linebackers at the

810
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Speaker 1: ends of the line of scrimmage and three down linemen

811
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Speaker 1: between them, not four down linemen. You got three guys

812
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: with a hand on the in the dirt with a

813
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: guy playing outside of them, and then two inside line.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a size to shift, yes, and you also

815
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: you have to realize they got to change the type

816
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: of player that they have on.

817
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: Their roster, so then that takes more time.

818
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Speaker 1: So you know, you've got guys that you're playing out

819
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: of position if you don't completely rinse through your.

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Speaker 2: Square play again a round hole exactly. Yeah, gotta take

821
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Speaker 2: a break here. When we come back, we'll get to

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Speaker 2: the phones at eight oh three, five fifty one eighty eight,

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Speaker 2: five fifty two, five fifty As we are asking you

824
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Speaker 2: what must be seen in the Bills performance Sunday against

825
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Speaker 2: the Saints. Your calls next here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: teaming up for this annual effort. Good on them. YEP,

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Speaker 2: got to get back to the phones at eight oh three,

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Speaker 2: five fifty one eighty eight, five point fifty two, five

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00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: point fifty I think a lot of people are of

848
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Speaker 2: the opinion that this is an inferior opponent that the

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Speaker 2: Bills are facing. So what must be seen in the

850
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: Bills performance Sunday in your mind against the Saints eight

851
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 2: O three oh five to fifty the number to jump

852
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Speaker 2: on board and we lead off with Tom on the

853
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Speaker 2: west side.

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Speaker 3: What's up Tom, afternoon, guys. What I'd like to see

855
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: is for the Bills to dominate, especially the first half,

856
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: because I want to see the number ones go off

857
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: the field in the middle of the third quarter and

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00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: what the backups come in. I think the Bills could

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00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: be up twenty eight, twenty eight or thirty well maybe

860
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: not that much by halftime, but anyway, I think Truvisky

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Speaker 3: could win this game if he was a starter. I

862
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Speaker 3: said I wasn't gonna do this again on Twitter or x,

863
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna call the final at let's say thirty

864
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: eight to twenty, which is closer than most Bills fans

865
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: would like, but it's still within the realm of possibilities.

866
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: And I would also like to give I want to

867
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: see like Anderson or Andresen and Hancock, get him and

868
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: get our backups, get him some good playtime. But anyway,

869
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to Judy welcome back.

870
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: I was one of the listeners that was very concerned

871
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: about you because we hadn't heard from you. And I

872
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: was even telling that to my cab driver Mike, who

873
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Speaker 3: throw myronicoy who listens to you every day on w

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Speaker 3: g R.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well thanks for that extra little message there, Tom. Yeah,

876
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: we were happy to hear from Judy again as well.

877
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: There were even some people tweeting about it. Last made

878
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: me laugh out loud. Some guy filmed himself at the

879
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: car driving around and Judy comes on and he's like, whoo, WHOA.

880
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Nothing against you? Tom, Love you. But Judy didn't call

881
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: in because the team was playing pretty good. She says

882
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: anything to complained about, so she calls when she needs

883
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: to call. She didn't have to call, just to call.

884
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: It's not a need to call.

885
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: Me, so bless her heart. She knows what she's doing.

886
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: That's true. I get it if anybody goes back and

887
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: watches the Seattle game from this last weekend that the

888
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Saints got lumped up in pretty good. They gave up

889
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: three Well it wasn't all to the special teams, but

890
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: the special teams were larger, responsible for twenty one points

891
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: that the Seahawks. Right, they got a punt return for

892
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: a touchdown, a block punt that was down on the

893
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: Saints twelve yard line got blocked back in their face,

894
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: and they gave up a sixty yard kickoff return when

895
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: the Saints finally got a field goal and it ended

896
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: up in their end zone as well. That they were

897
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: down twenty one to nothing for this quarter and the

898
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: Seahawks had eight offensive plays and they were up twenty

899
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: one nothing. So yeah, pump the brakes on the Bills

900
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: benching Josh Allen a halftime. Right, So this is gonna

901
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: be a much more difficult game than I think people realize.

902
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: I know, we say that, we said it against Miami,

903
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: when we say it again. We said it against it

904
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: and we said the Jets two for a minute and

905
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: it turned in the fourth quarter. But yeah, so I

906
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: think it's going to be more like that than it

907
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: is going to be like the Seattle game. Now, it'd

908
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: be great if the Bill's special teams would rise up

909
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: and take advantage of it if if it's there to

910
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: be done, but I'm not taking any of that for granted.

911
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: You subtract the twenty one points from the special teams,

912
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a twenty three to thirteen game,

913
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: and that's a little different.

914
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's squeeze Cindy and Niagara falls in here before

915
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: the break. What's up, Cindy, Hi, Steve, Hi Chris.

916
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my call.

917
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: Sure.

918
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 8: First I want to say I want to amplify Judy.

919
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 8: Thank you. We were so worried about Judy that something

920
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 8: was wrong, and I'm so glad to hear she's so knowledgeable. Also,

921
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 8: my take for the Sunday game is that I hope

922
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 8: e Fanessa and Russo step up and haven't heard much

923
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 8: from them lately, and I hope I don't know, Steve,

924
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 8: you would know the mindset. I've played sports all my life,

925
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 8: so I know how it is to think, oh, we're

926
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 8: going to beat this team, no problem and not do

927
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 8: one hundred effort. So I hope the Bills aren't thinking

928
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 8: that too. Thanks all, wait for your remarks.

929
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Cindy, appreciate the call. Yeah, Sometimes when you're

930
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: a team that has enjoyed the success that the Bills

931
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: have over the last several years hack half dozen years,

932
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: and you're playing a team that you don't see every year,

933
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: it's not in your division that you don't have much

934
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: of a history with. Sometimes it takes a little extra

935
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: just to get the gumption to, you know what I mean,

936
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: play your level best against a team that the whole

937
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: universe thinks is inferior to you.

938
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: So I'm yeah, I'm with you. It's Mitch Moore said

939
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: it at the beginning of the week this We knew

940
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: this was going to be kind of an issue for

941
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: this game, and he's right. You've got to throw yourself

942
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: into getting ready. The problems playing a bad team and

943
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: taking him for granted don't start on sun Day at one.

944
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: They start the Monday before in the morning. You gotta

945
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: get ready to play. And if you're gonna take it

946
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: easy during the week and not get as ready to

947
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: play as you need to be ready, you're gonna look bad.

948
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: So if and us sitting here on Thursday afternoon, if

949
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: if they're taking this team lightly and they've been acting

950
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: like it the entire week, they're not gonna catch up.

951
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, break time for us here. The Hall of Famer

952
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: Thurman Thomas joins us in studio when we begin hour

953
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Speaker 2: number two. After this break here on One Pills Live

954
00:50:32,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: presented by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

955
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: This the one Bills Live presented by Calida Health.

956
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: Alright, hour number two Chris Brown, Steve Tasker and joining

957
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: us in studio as he does every week, the Hall

958
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: of Famer Thurman. Thomas Thurman, I got good news for you.

959
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna like this.

960
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 4: It has to be something about the running back, right, Yeah,

961
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 4: it is all right.

962
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: After three weeks, the Bills are the number one rushing

963
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: team in football at one hundred and sixty three yards

964
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: per game. Don't get too excited yet, because there's more.

965
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: When the Bills are on twelve and thirteen personnel, they

966
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: are averaging a league leading seven point two yards per

967
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: carry through three gameses. That just make the fuzz on

968
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: the back of your next time.

969
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: I just went from fifty nine to twenty nine. Ye oh, man,

970
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: I know you were like, oh that is awesome. Man.

971
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 9: Man, Look, you know how I feel about James Cook

972
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 9: and Tye ray and and Gilliam.

973
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 4: But you know, let's be truthful.

974
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 9: It's offensive line that's doing a great job of the

975
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 9: tight ends and the tight end I mean, look, just

976
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 9: the other day I was Saturday I was watching Georgia

977
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 9: Tech football because of Jackson.

978
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I just I just happened to turn it

979
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: on and.

980
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 9: They were like, oh my god, Georgia, let's see what

981
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 9: type of titan is they got.

982
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. They're exactly like he is, Oh.

983
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: Really, Oh yes, coach Brent Key. Yeah, former offensive line.

984
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 4: Former offensive lineman, exactly.

985
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: You know who's your answer?

986
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: He has him going. And then like.

987
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 9: Day after like I got a text from John Davis

988
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 9: and we're talking about the same things, like, how do you.

989
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 4: Like that Jackson?

990
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech guy?

991
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: Right? Yes? Who those you don't know? John Davis. He

992
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: was the left guard on Super Bowl twenty five football

993
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: team and for a couple of handful of years right guard,

994
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: right guard, right Jimmy Richard was right guard. Wasn't Jimmy

995
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: was left Okay, backwards, So there you go. John Davis

996
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: was a guard on our Super Bowl.

997
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: Trust him over, Steve, Sorry he's running behind.

998
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: It was right.

999
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 4: He was next to be to the house.

1000
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's who John Davis is.

1001
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: So Therm, you're watching the Dolphins game, and I don't

1002
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: know if you noticed it in real time, but maybe

1003
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: you heard about it or you saw it maybe if

1004
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 2: you looked at it on replay or something. Through the

1005
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: course of that game, obviously, the Bills kept running the

1006
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: football with a decent measure of success against Miami, and

1007
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: they counter with they put three defensive tackles on the

1008
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: line with two edge rushers and put a fifty front

1009
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: out there. Then later in the game they put four

1010
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: defensive tackles on the field with two edge rushers and

1011
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: two lines. They're playing a four to four to try

1012
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 2: to stop this run game, and they were still limited

1013
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: in their effectiveness. Like, is there anything that can stop

1014
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: how efficient this run game at least appears to be

1015
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: through three games.

1016
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 9: I don't think so right now through three games, and

1017
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 9: I think it's going to continue Sunday against the Saints

1018
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 9: do the same thing.

1019
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, they're in a groove.

1020
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: Man.

1021
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: It's like it's like the basketball analogy.

1022
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 9: The goal is huge, Like the holes are huge, and

1023
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 9: they're there for him, and you have a guy like

1024
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 9: Cook who can cut left, cut right, great balance. You know,

1025
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 9: it's just man on a man. And what Eli Pitch

1026
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 9: used to Kinhole and John Davis and Howard Badhison, I

1027
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 9: just used to tell them just get a piece of them.

1028
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 9: You ain't got to knock him on the ground or whatever,

1029
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 9: get a piece of them.

1030
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 4: And I think that's what these guys are doing.

1031
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 9: But these guys are like they're bulldozing people. They're knocking

1032
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 9: guys five and six yards back, and I see it.

1033
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 9: And when you watch Twitter, you always look for certain

1034
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 9: people to talk about it, and always look at Brian Baldinger.

1035
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 9: He's always talking about the builds, always talking about the

1036
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 9: build running and how they match up. Like it's a

1037
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 9: matchup problem for the defense because they're so physical and

1038
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 9: they can run, they can move their feet to get

1039
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 9: to certain angles, and you can have a guy going

1040
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 9: left or right the offensive line. It becomes the easiest

1041
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 9: block in the world because, Yeah, you stay on a

1042
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,479
Speaker 9: guy for so long and all of a sudden, he's

1043
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 9: gonna have to make a point like I got to

1044
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 9: stop this, and that's when you can just take control

1045
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 9: of them because now he's off balance, you.

1046
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 4: Can take them anywhere.

1047
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: We had Daniel Lobsky on the show early in the

1048
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: week and he said and has sat online that the

1049
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: Bill's running games most creative in the NFL. I mean

1050
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: they're doing some stuff.

1051
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: That diversified as right what it was.

1052
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: And then I was watching the Seattle Seahawks play this

1053
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: Saints team this last weekend, and Devin mccordy and Charles Davis,

1054
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: who are gonna be here in Buffalo game, I saw

1055
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: he counted the guys. The Saints put six guys on

1056
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: the line, just like he Brownie was saying. They put

1057
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: the guys on the line of screams. We gotta stop

1058
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: this Seattle run game. So they're getting four teams are

1059
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: getting forced with the emergence re emergence of the run

1060
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: game in the NFL, to do some stuff like that.

1061
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: You gotta put four defensive on the field, you gotta

1062
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: put six guys up on the line of scrimmage, you

1063
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: gotta throw an extra big body in the box. Changing

1064
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: the game, Yeah, they are changing. But with that, the

1065
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: Bills still have the MVP and they got a bunch

1066
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: of guys they can beat you. It can be yeah, right,

1067
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: So there's still a problem.

1068
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still a problem.

1069
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 9: And especially if they're going to throw five or six

1070
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 9: guys up there and we're still getting five, six, ten yards.

1071
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like you're looking over the defensive coordinator.

1072
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 4: I don't know what what are we supposed to do here?

1073
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 4: And then all of a.

1074
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 9: Sudden, you know, you got six guys out here, and

1075
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 9: you got some tight ends, you got some wide receivers,

1076
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 9: and you.

1077
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 4: Got Josh back there.

1078
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 9: So it makes it difficult man to uh for NFL

1079
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 9: defensive coordinator right now, to to get a get a

1080
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 9: grip on what they're doing.

1081
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: I was standing on the side back in the day,

1082
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: and I've said this to Brownie a ton of times

1083
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: on the show. I was staying on the side and

1084
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: I still remember it. We were running or whatever, and

1085
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: I was standing the Frank right and you know, John,

1086
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: the guys we're staying with the crew and Frank right

1087
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: was because man, if you can't stop the run, you're defenseless.

1088
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: So that's why you see teams more so than any

1089
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: of the point. If you're you gotta keep throwing guys

1090
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: up there, you got to get up in the line

1091
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. If you can't win the line of scrimmage

1092
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: with guys you got, you got to put more guys.

1093
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: And so that's a sign towards how true that statement is.

1094
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: If you can't stop the run, you're done.

1095
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's the same run and stop them run. Yeah,

1096
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 4: that's what Marve.

1097
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: That's what Marve's the only the only defense about it

1098
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: is you can if you're good enough, you if you

1099
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: feel like you can. There are certain teams that we've

1100
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: seen The Oilers were like this back in the day

1101
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: when they run there. If you can score faster than

1102
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: they can run the ball and beat you, and if

1103
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: you can be efficient and score more times with the

1104
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: ball than they can, you can get them out of

1105
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: it with your offense. And so there's still that out

1106
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: there that teams can do in certain situations. But man,

1107
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: you got you gotta be good offensively and you got

1108
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: to put up you know, you got to do a

1109
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: lot of points. It's yeah, you got to throw up

1110
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: some touchdown.

1111
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 9: You gotta throw up some points. I mean it's almost

1112
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 9: like what kind of what like in a certain way

1113
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 9: Philadelphia did kind of last year. I don't know if

1114
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 9: they're still doing the same thing. I mean, you you

1115
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 9: got a j Brown out there. I mean he through

1116
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 9: the first couple of weeks and even touched the football

1117
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 9: because they were running the football and being physical up front.

1118
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: It was just last week they had to come back,

1119
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: and they had to come back.

1120
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, speaking of another team to ram.

1121
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bills are like that. I mean, now you

1122
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: get up two possessions on a team and they, like

1123
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: you can feel it, they gotta get they gotta get some.

1124
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: They gotta get some out of this drive. Right, so

1125
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna hand it off anymore. Right there, We got

1126
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: to do it now, you know, get impatient. And that

1127
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: really is the if you don't have the big bodies

1128
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: up defensively or a run defense that can hold up,

1129
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: you really do need an offense that can throw some

1130
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: points on the board at a fast pace to force

1131
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: them to get desperate enough to start throwing the football.

1132
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1133
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: And that's another thing too.

1134
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 9: If you you're talking about getting these three differensive tackles

1135
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 9: in here or take four defense or.

1136
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: Whatever the coach over there, anybody weigh three hundred pounds, right,

1137
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: you're in.

1138
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 9: But that's not But that's still laugh still kind of

1139
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 9: playing to our part because.

1140
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: We can speed the ball up.

1141
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 9: I mean, we've seen Josh go no hod a bunch

1142
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 9: of time to get the tempo. What's up and then

1143
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 9: all of a sudden, you're, hey, I need to breathe

1144
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 9: a coach after three plays.

1145
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're going so fast, but they're going so bad.

1146
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 4: You can't suck, and we're not going to suck because

1147
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 4: we can match anything. We love this matchup. Man, We're

1148
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 4: not going to give you an operty, so you might

1149
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 4: as well burn a time up, uh, Steve.

1150
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: Steve and I, on a different subject, were debating the

1151
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: merits of the game at four twenty five on Sunday

1152
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: Ravens Chiefs at Arrowhead both teams one and two. One

1153
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: of those teams are gonna be one and three after

1154
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: that game. Them and we were kind of arguing which

1155
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: team would be more beneficial for the Bills to be

1156
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: one in three coming out of it. I think there's

1157
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: arguments on both sides. The argument on the chief side

1158
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: is the Bills don't have the head to head tiebreaker

1159
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: against them yet, so maybe you want to have them lose.

1160
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: But then on the other side, I would say, with

1161
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow out for the next three months, the Ravens

1162
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: are in an easier to vision and are probably going

1163
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: to rack up more wins than the Chiefs, who are

1164
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: already playing ketchup with the Chargers three and oh, and

1165
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: the Broncos I think are two.

1166
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 4: And one, So Broncos and one.

1167
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got an uphill climb already. So is

1168
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: it better to have the Ravens lose?

1169
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: What do you think?

1170
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1171
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: I mean, either way, the Bills benefit.

1172
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 4: Either way.

1173
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 9: Hey, look, some way, somehow, somebody has to get Kansas City.

1174
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 4: Always, that's always going to be in the back of

1175
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 4: my mind.

1176
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 9: And so yes, I would want Kansas City to win

1177
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 9: because hey, look that's the team that we have to beat.

1178
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: They've been the nemesis for us, and I want to

1179
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 4: get them back. I want to pay him back.

1180
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 9: Baltimore, we kind of know how that goes playoffs, regular season.

1181
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: We can handle them. I think we can. I mean, yeah,

1182
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 4: it was so yeah, it was so easy.

1183
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 9: It was so easy that we want last couple of

1184
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 9: times we've played those.

1185
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: So oh my gosh. Yeah, it's like a breeze.

1186
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: Not like easy. But we have their number. We have

1187
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 4: their number, is what I'm saying.

1188
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 9: But I mean, you want to, you want to you

1189
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 9: want to beat the best, and you want to beat

1190
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 9: the team that I mean, you want to beat the

1191
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 9: team that's going to put Travis Kelsey into retirement being

1192
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 9: his last.

1193
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's always Canvas City.

1194
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: Brownie and I had this conversation. We did the Bills

1195
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: by the Numbers podcasting, we got into this. These are

1196
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: two teams that are Baltimore I think has a much

1197
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: better roster than Kansas City. Now, Kansasity got Chris Jones

1198
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: and Pat uh and those guys, but Baltimore is a

1199
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: steamroller on offense, right, But Baltimore's got something about them.

1200
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: They can't close it out when when the they can

1201
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: play from behind, the pressure gets to them if they're

1202
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: not front running, right it seems to anyway, the Chiefs,

1203
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: you can't you can't kill them with an atomic bomb.

1204
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: You can't take through their heart. They're never dead. They're

1205
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: never dead, They're always back in.

1206
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 10: You know.

1207
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: Mahomes is just the opposite of that. Yeah, no matter

1208
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: what's going on, he's gonna go He's going to touchdown.

1209
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1210
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 4: Right.

1211
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: So that's the interesting part of this matchup for me,

1212
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: because I think Baltimore is a They may get out

1213
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: and steamroll the Chiefs, but the Chiefs aren't gonna go away,

1214
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: not in their own building. And if the Baltimore Ravens

1215
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: get behind Mahomes and these guys, man, there's no coming

1216
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: back from that because those guys just don't have it

1217
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: in them to play in that environment.

1218
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah they crumble, Yeah they do.

1219
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 9: And you know it goes back to you know, your

1220
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 9: head coach Harborough. I think it's an excellent football coach

1221
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 9: for the Baltimore Ravens. He fits that team, he fits

1222
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 9: that city. But you know, he does have a bad

1223
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 9: reputation when it comes to these slow blown quarter and everything.

1224
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 9: So yeah, you can look at it, you can throw

1225
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 9: anything out there, but I just it's, oh, I'm speachless

1226
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 9: to say.

1227
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah what Yeah, these two teams are just the opposite.

1228
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 9: Just the opposite, but they're still dangerous football teams, you know.

1229
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 9: And you know what, just like everybody else in four

1230
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 9: twenty five, I'm gonna be sitting there watching it. Yeah,

1231
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 9: sitting watching because it's gonna be a good team. Like

1232
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 9: you said, one of these team is gonna be one.

1233
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: To three and which is crazy, which.

1234
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 9: Is crazy because the Ravens and the Chiefs and the

1235
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 9: Bills have always been there and they've never been in

1236
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 9: this situation right here. Can't sit he usually three and

1237
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 9: oh right now right so they're not playing well in

1238
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 9: Baltimore is just so yeah, big time game right here.

1239
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 9: But yeah, I'm I want to watch it, but I

1240
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 9: feel like we have I feel like we still have

1241
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 9: the better team.

1242
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: And the Chiefs get a one week reprieve after that

1243
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: they play at Jacksonville, but the next week they got

1244
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: to play the Lions at home.

1245
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 4: Chiefs got they don't cut out Jacksonville to fast.

1246
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: No, I mean they're playing better.

1247
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 4: I think people thought right, I mean.

1248
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: Which, you know, everything's relative, but Lions after that, and

1249
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: then it softens up for them until they play the Bills,

1250
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: and it's it's hard to tell just what the Broncos are.

1251
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: Maybe they were over hyped a little bit. They're one

1252
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: and two right now, and some things don't look quite

1253
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: right there for them.

1254
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that, well, obviously I love my game

1255
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: to the Colts and they lost win and the surprise

1256
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: of the league, and they lost a one possession game

1257
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: to the Chargers twenty twenty three, so they're they're.

1258
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: Right there right there, Yeah, and they and they do

1259
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: give the Chiefs problems. The Broncos too, and they both

1260
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: their losses.

1261
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: Were on the road.

1262
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: But the Chargers leading that division.

1263
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: I said it all three division wins too, three division.

1264
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 9: I said it last year, like Midway through the season.

1265
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 9: Like you know, I just on Twitter and said, like, man,

1266
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 9: the Chargers could be a problem this year, Jim Harbaugh.

1267
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 4: You know, turning around or whatever, and obviously didn't make

1268
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1269
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: They did, they.

1270
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 9: Did make the playoffs, but some are like, oh, it's

1271
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 9: gonna be the same old thing or whatever.

1272
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 4: I would say, well, just give it time.

1273
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 9: And I think now you're seeing Justin Hurt be the

1274
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 9: type of quarterback that we kind of.

1275
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 4: Thought we thought he would be.

1276
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 9: But the thing that has changed and he's running the

1277
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 9: football now, he's scramming. I mean, he's not Josh, but

1278
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 9: he's making big first downs for them when he would

1279
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 9: usually just throw the ball away or maybe throw it

1280
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 9: in exception, try to force a football.

1281
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: So I mean, and they and their schedule isn't tough

1282
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: at all. I mean they're at the Giants this week,

1283
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: home against the Commanders at Miami home against Indy. I

1284
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:42,919
Speaker 2: mean that's they could be fiction one, yeah, seven and zero.

1285
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: I mean that is not a hard schedule.

1286
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, but you know what though, I think, no, it's

1287
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 9: not a hard schedule, but they got egal late. You

1288
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 9: think I'm thinking maybe at least one of those, maybe

1289
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 9: two of those games that Hebrew will go back to

1290
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 9: my old self for maybe a week or so and

1291
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 9: then break back out of it. Okay, So I mean,

1292
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Speaker 9: and that's what we've been. Look, that's what I've been

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01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 9: at least waiting for him to do, right, to take

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01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 9: that next step, yeah, to take that next steps, to

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 9: take the next step up, Yeah, and not have these

1296
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 9: back to back games where he's looked horrible and ordinary

1297
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 9: guy and so yeah, I just think that hey, if

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 9: he can put it together, I think if he put

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Speaker 9: it together the first seven or eight games and just

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01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 9: have a steady.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: You're right. We've seen it too many times with Herbert

1303
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: where the chargers charger he turned. Yeah, the chargers are

1304
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna charge her. But I think that's one of the

1305
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: things that Harbor has been able to do each of

1306
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: his stopped all the way back to Stanford, then to

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01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: the forty nine Michigan yep, and now with saying with

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01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: la he steadies. Then you know they don't dip. You know,

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01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: even they're bad, they're bad, games are regular games like

1310
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: where they used to be, where they you know, they'd

1311
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: lay an egg. I think that's one of the things

1312
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: he's been able to do in all of his coaching

1313
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: stops is to be.

1314
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Speaker 4: That guy that steadies that he's one of them.

1315
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just doesn't let him have a bad performance.

1316
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the things he's that's

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Speaker 1: why they made the playoffs last year.

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Speaker 7: They didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think one of the reasons too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's face it.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's he's a former player who's been in

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01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 9: those locker rooms, and I think when you add that

1323
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 9: to the mix, it comes out like the shoulder pads

1324
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 9: hitting the quarterback before he goes out on the football field.

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Speaker 9: You know, that's you know, that's I can remember when

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 9: he did it the first time of Justin Herbert were

1327
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 9: like what are you doing? But they became, you know, better,

1328
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 9: and bonded better, and now you see it and now

1329
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 9: it's like Justin Herbert is looking for him now to

1330
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Speaker 9: do it. And so I think that's kind of changed,

1331
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 9: just like the culture have changed here seven years ago,

1332
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 9: eight years ago when Sean mcdermy got it, and how

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Speaker 9: it has become now.

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01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 4: I think that's what's happening with the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I think They're going to be

1336
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: a good team for us for another two or three

1337
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: years until he gets tired of everybody gets tired of

1338
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: gym at some point, you.

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Speaker 2: Think he wears that as well.

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: Stanford like, you know, it's been great, see you, you know.

1341
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: And San Francisco. He gets them to the super Bowl

1342
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: and they're like, he's like, boom, Michigan, Michigan. He kind

1343
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: of left behind pitchforks and torches. But yeah, he'll be

1344
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 1: there for like four years.

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Speaker 9: I think, I don't know. I think this might be

1346
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 9: a longer relationship.

1347
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1348
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: It might be his last stop.

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Speaker 9: This will be his last stop, and I think it

1350
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 9: would be because I think him and Spanos get along great.

1351
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 4: Think about that. The owner of the exact them.

1352
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: Everybody gets along great. Keep They're gonna get along great

1353
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: until they get they look at each other and puke.

1354
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: Then then it's not gonna be so.

1355
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: Great, gonna make each other nause.

1356
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: They just don't want to. I can't. They just think

1357
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: it's something last stop. I really do. Something's gonna wear

1358
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: out in that relationship. It always had. Now I don't know,

1359
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: he may get it and it may be different. Hispano's

1360
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: family but at some point it has always been that

1361
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: they somebody gets tired of looking at it. And I

1362
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: don't know why it is because he's the same. It

1363
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: seems to me he's the exact same guy when he

1364
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: leaves he is when he came in. I don't know.

1365
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: So I'm while he's gonna be They're gonna be good

1366
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: while he's there. I don't think there's any.

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Speaker 2: Question, any thoughts on Bill Saints there are we expecting

1368
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: this to be over soon? Or you're funny it's a

1369
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 2: sixteen point spread. They didn't the builds didn't cover the

1370
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 2: spread last or what was it, twelve and a half? Yeah,

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: they didn't cover it. They won by ten. It's down

1372
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Speaker 2: to fifteen and a half.

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01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 9: Now I'll leave it at seven sixteen or the fourth

1374
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 9: quarter sixty.

1375
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: Here, great beat the traffic. My thought is this, it

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01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: may they may They may hang around by ten, only

1377
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: only ten, But maybe the Saints school late to get

1378
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: at that together.

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01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think so. I think it'll be a

1380
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 4: blow up, do you? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I think this maybe.

1381
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:08,879
Speaker 4: And look I'm Sean McDermott.

1382
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 9: I'm like, hey, I kind of don't let don't let

1383
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 9: this team come in there and think they have a chance.

1384
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 9: Do not let that happen and whatever you have to

1385
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 9: hate If our running game is not going, hey, let's

1386
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 9: lean o Josh a little bit.

1387
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 4: Okay, we've we've had ten days.

1388
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: Before we even play the football extra time, so we're.

1389
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 4: Rest, you know, we're ready to go. So yeah, let's

1390
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 4: come up power.

1391
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: And I think I think the way he's handled that

1392
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: in the past is that you you just kind of

1393
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: wipe off. It's not to forget about it being the Saints,

1394
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: it may as well be the Eagles. We're getting ready

1395
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: the way we get ready. Exact we're preparing the way

1396
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: we prepared. Let's go in that way when you show

1397
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: up and don't you expect, you know, you expected, just

1398
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: execute what you're supposed to do. And then whoever it is,

1399
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: and however they do is their problem or their benefit,

1400
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: but you worry about you. And I think that's the way.

1401
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: I think that's the more consistent way to handling. I

1402
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: think that's what Sean has done. So it saves you

1403
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: from kind of trying to put a fire out where

1404
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: guys taking stand up, take a breath, say of these guys,

1405
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: say you know you don't do that say, Hey, we

1406
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: don't talk about them at this time, and we we're

1407
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: talking about us right now, so knock that conversation out.

1408
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're the.

1409
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 9: One that's being talked about every time somebody turned on

1410
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 9: the sports show.

1411
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 2: Not these guys, right, Therm, thanks as always, absolute, Get

1412
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 2: yourself some rest, rest up for the game on Sunday

1413
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: and you'll be out here right Oh yeah, okay, oh yeah,

1414
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: oh yeah. That's the Hall of Famer Therm and Thomas

1415
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: joining us as he does every week here on One

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01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Will take a break, get back to your

1417
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: phone call. See who's talking at the post practice podium

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01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 2: as well. Here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida

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Speaker 2: Up are the Bills tight ends. Twelve and thirteen personnel

1423
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: are getting them an awful lot of snaps on the field,

1424
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: and right now, when the Bills are in twelve and

1425
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 2: thirteen personnel, they lead the NFL in yards per carry

1426
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 2: average on the ground at seven point two yards per pop.

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01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: That is a fat number, my friend, that is.

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: A very fat number. It almost makes you wonder why

1429
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: they don't do it every single play, just hand it

1430
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: off all Maybe they're going to this week. I don't know.

1431
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: But it does force and we've seen it. You mentioned

1432
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: it a couple of times this week. It forces the

1433
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: defense to match up. They got to change some stuff

1434
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: over there.

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,839
Speaker 2: Two teams have tried to do something unique to combat

1436
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 2: it because it is a monumental problem that they don't

1437
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 2: have a good answer for. So now they're trying something

1438
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: that is out of their own character, identity wise, and

1439
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: that's not executed well to begin with, and the results

1440
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: seem to be largely the same. So and I would

1441
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 2: expect the Saints to do the same because to your point,

1442
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,959
Speaker 2: you saw it on film when they were playing Seattle.

1443
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, New Orleans comes out and they're putting they

1444
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: got six guys right on the line, six guys on

1445
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage.

1446
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: They're throwing a lot of people in the box to

1447
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: try and either scare off the Seahawks from running it

1448
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: or just stop it if they do so.

1449
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: They might do some of the same here.

1450
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: They might depending on what the Bills see in their

1451
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: defense and how they're playing where they think the best

1452
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: matchup is. It's always enticing for a coaching staff to

1453
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: go the more physical route, you know, to the more

1454
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: physical and safer route.

1455
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 2: The ball less risk.

1456
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: The ball's not put at risk when you're just handing

1457
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: it off right. The balls at risk when you're throwing

1458
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: it at thirty yards down the field and you know

1459
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: nobody's nobody can control it when it's in the air.

1460
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: So there's a lot in that. There's so much we

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01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: don't know every week, like for everybody else, we don't

1462
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: know what the Bills see in their own team and

1463
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: what they see in the the other team that says

1464
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: what this game plan is going to look like. And

1465
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: even if you go in with a game plan, Saints

1466
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 1: have somebody get healthier, they do something, the kid starts

1467
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: making play, and all of a sudden, it scares you

1468
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: off that game plan. You got to go to Plan B.

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: Then you know you got to adjust. So it's uh,

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01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: these games are a little bit different than that because

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01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: you don't have a history against this version of the Saints.

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: Cooling down the Saints special teams, they might be downright frigid, Yeah,

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01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 2: the Freezemeiser might be their mascot at this point in time.

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01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 2: They're cooling down so much.

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01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: You've heard us. You allude to it a couple of

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01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: times with Thurman and even Brownie and I before Thurma

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01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: came on. They gave up a ninety five or ninety

1478
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: six yard punt return for a touchdown. Last week. A

1479
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: series later, they smothered a punt and it then almost

1480
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: scooped it and scored, but the guy couldn't get a

1481
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: handle on it, so he fell on it on like

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: the twelve yard line, and they scored another play later.

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01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: And then later in the game they catch a kickoff

1484
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: and go back all the way to the New Orlands Saints'

1485
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: forty yard line. They get it all the way down

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: inside their forty yard line. It was a struggle on

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01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: special teams, and it was like virtually catastrophic in one

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 1: case two cases.

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: So the game was already lost. Yeah, they weren't even

1490
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: out of the first quarter yet.

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was this most amazing stat I

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 1: keep repeating it. The Seahawks were leading the game twenty

1493
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: one to nothing, and they had eight offensive plays in

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01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:32,879
Speaker 1: the game.

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01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: And it's the snow miser, by the way, not the

1496
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 2: freeze miser snow miner, So it'd be a good mascot

1497
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: for them right now they are ice cold. See if

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01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: they can turn things around against the Bills this week.

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Speaker 2: to get yours. This question comes from Andy, who asks

1511
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: we know the Bill's Super Bowl year as well, but

1512
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: ninety four is more of a mystery. After four straight

1513
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 2: trips to the Super Bowl, how did the team handle

1514
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: that season?

1515
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: It's interesting because that was at the moment we lost

1516
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: a couple of really good coaches. After the second Super Bowl,

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01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: Bill Pollion switched over, We switched over to John Butler,

1518
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 1: and there were some changes that happened outside the roster

1519
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: that affected the production on the field. They changed offensive coordinators,

1520
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: and Dan Henning came in at one point, Jim Schaffner

1521
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: came in at one point, and there.

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01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 2: Was a Schaffner first then Henning right, and.

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: So I think in the ninety four season it was

1524
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: still Schaffner, I believe, and we just ceased to improve.

1525
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: You always feel like you were getting better, getting better,

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01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: getting better. Then when those coaches came in, they kind

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01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: of acclimated, and let's face it, they came they took

1528
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: over a team that was gone to two straight Super

1529
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: Bowls and still had some Hall of famers in their prime,

1530
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: and they were very reticent to tinker with anything. But

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01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: then when you go to another Super Bowl, another super Bowl,

1532
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: and you can't get over that hump and win one,

1533
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: you start feeling like, okay, let's tweak some stuff. They

1534
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: started tweaking some things and asking some players to do

1535
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: some things they weren't as good at. And the roster

1536
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: wasn't built to come in and power run out of

1537
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: a three tight end set or a three wide receiver set,

1538
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So there started to be a

1539
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: shift in fallophy and an evolution in the offense before

1540
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,480
Speaker 1: the roster was set to support that kind of philosophy.

1541
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: I think that it started to come apart like that

1542
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. And it's in my view it was

1543
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: Tom Bresnahan.

1544
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: It was still the offensive coordinator.

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01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: That they started. We started to get we got some

1546
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: feedback when Bresnahan took over from other teams around the

1547
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: league about you know, that no huddle offense came out

1548
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: and they started doing some things and teams would match

1549
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: up and they knew they were going to get this

1550
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: every week. They could anticipate it, so they started having

1551
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: a better and better plan against it, even if they

1552
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 1: were had an inferior roster. Then the Bills got in

1553
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: their mind they that if we could do some shifts

1554
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: in motion from because there wasn't there was none. They

1555
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: were static offense. If they could do some shifts in motion,

1556
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: we get exponential return on it. And didn't turn out

1557
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: to be the case, and uh, and they just the

1558
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: adjustments didn't work. And then when you adjusted, you the

1559
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 1: adjustment was to revert back to what we did well,

1560
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: and everybody had a really planning place for that because

1561
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: they'd seen it so much and there was just no evolution.

1562
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: There wasn't a step forward in that team. He ended

1563
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: up going to what seven and nine, seven and ninety.

1564
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: Four finished in fourth place in the five team AFCAS

1565
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 2: at the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, it's just an ever ountion back.

1567
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: The next year though you won the division in ninety five,

1568
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 2: went to the playoffs, went back to the playoffs, I

1569
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 2: should say. I think also there's something to be said

1570
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: for the fact that since eighty eight you guys had

1571
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: gone to the postseason. So two playoff games in eighty eight,

1572
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: one in eighty nine, three in ninety three and ninety one,

1573
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 2: four and ninety two, three and ninety three, that's an

1574
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: extra season of football for about twenty two guys.

1575
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: And we also played in the nineteen eighty nine Hall

1576
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: of Fame Game. So there was five preseason World Bowl

1577
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: and an American Bowl in Berlin and then an other

1578
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: American Bowl in London.

1579
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys played like an extra season of

1580
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: football at all.

1581
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: The post is games now obviously some of the more

1582
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,759
Speaker 1: preseason games and you know, but it's still the travel

1583
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: and being in camp a week longer and all of that.

1584
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, there was a lot of extra football in

1585
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 1: that for that team. The playoffs alone were the more

1586
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: grueling of it. So yeah, I'm sure that caught up

1587
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: to him, and I was looking at it as well.

1588
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 1: In ninety four we had we had twenty four guys

1589
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 1: on the roster, well twenty four, I'm sorry, twenty seven

1590
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: guys on the roster that were twenty eight or older.

1591
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: A lot of thirty year olds and thirty plus year

1592
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 1: olds on that roster at that time too, So yeah,

1593
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 1: it take, it takes its toll all that.

1594
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: So that is excuse me, mister tasker, brought to you

1595
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 2: by Tsese Enterprises. Want to get back to the phones here,

1596
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: We'll try to squeeze in a phone caller too, and

1597
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: we'll go to you on the east side next.

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01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: What's up?

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01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 10: But gentlemen, thanks for taking my call. My brother's from

1600
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,759
Speaker 10: another beautiful mother. I love him as Jinnia love w Jabs.

1601
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 10: All the fans who listen and watch this TV show

1602
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 10: and radio show, I love each every one of you.

1603
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 10: I will just say something. This is something that you

1604
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 10: might disagree, And I really don't want you to agree

1605
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 10: or disagree. I just want you to pay attention. As

1606
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 10: you know, Brandon being like he has like every saturdays

1607
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 10: at college, he's looking at the scouting department is outstanding.

1608
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 10: His pro scouting department is outstanding. And he's always looking

1609
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 10: to build this football team to make it better. But

1610
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 10: at the same time, it's business. It's always business. I

1611
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,839
Speaker 10: look at a number of four from the trading deadline

1612
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 10: coming up, that's going to be right, well, two after

1613
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 10: I buy it, we got two games, you got Carolina

1614
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 10: Kansas City, and then it's the trade then. But this

1615
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 10: is New Orleans game is very important to that and

1616
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:01,759
Speaker 10: that's the reason why I called. Is that a gentleman

1617
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 10: spoke earlier that I think it was my man Ti

1618
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 10: from the West, and he said about playing the younger

1619
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 10: players like Hancock and a lot of these other guys.

1620
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 10: I can see a Jeffaness are not participating in this event.

1621
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 10: I can see maybe Jackson probably getting the first chance

1622
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 10: to play against New Orleans. I look at what we have,

1623
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 10: even though they're injured. I look at a Jeffaness, I

1624
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 10: look at the uh, the Ed Oliver's I look at

1625
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 10: uh the Matt mclonald's I look at the Curtis Sammus,

1626
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 10: who's who's not even playing yet, And I'm gonna look

1627
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 10: at demorrow, Hammler, these five gentlemen, I want you to

1628
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 10: pay attention to looking down and looking down the row.

1629
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 10: It's a possibility that some of these guys, especially with

1630
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 10: the two guys coming back after uh the Atlanta game,

1631
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 10: which would be our bye week, so that means they

1632
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 10: can practice on October fifth, I mean, uh, after the

1633
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 10: New Orleans game, participate rather and play after our bible

1634
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 10: which is against Carolina. So my thing is looking at that,

1635
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 10: and I don't mean to be along with it with it,

1636
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 10: and I appreciate you taking my call, is that look

1637
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 10: at those Just keep those five people in mind. Now

1638
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 10: we might say Ed Oliver and you might look at

1639
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 10: Matt Malone, you know what I mean. But at the

1640
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 10: same time, they only win year deals, except ed Ed.

1641
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 10: But Ed at the same time played one good game,

1642
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 10: he had our standing game against against Baltimore, and then

1643
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 10: he didn't play it since he's been on injured resentful

1644
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 10: a boot and he has never played a recent.

1645
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: So are you just saying you're expecting some kind of

1646
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: trade to happen. Butch, is that what you're saying?

1647
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, Ronnie, but I'm making a trade. But this

1648
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 10: is the key thing of bouts and I brought this up.

1649
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 10: New England and Atlanta are are both night games, a

1650
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 10: twenty seven to fifteen Monday night football, So we're going

1651
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 10: to expose a lot of players. You might see these

1652
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 10: guys come back Milanos to a Japaneza's and just be

1653
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 10: showcased on on on these night games and then the

1654
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 10: bike we come and then you know, possibility we could

1655
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 10: make some deals. But something's gonna have to be made.

1656
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 10: As you say, we got two roster spots when these

1657
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 10: two guys come back that we're gonna be looking for.

1658
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 10: Curtis Samuel might be one of them that might be

1659
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 10: off the roster, and Agfanza might get off quick. But

1660
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 10: I'm just saying keep keep these five guys because his

1661
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 10: business deals it's about money sometimes too. Yeah. I might,

1662
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 10: I might, he might be far reached, but the rest

1663
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 10: of them look for it. Thanks for taking my call, man.

1664
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I get you, Butch, and you're right about

1665
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that. The only thing you're probably overstating

1666
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: is the exposure on night games just because the fans

1667
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: see these guys play your.

1668
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 2: Personnel people lost film all around the league. No matter

1669
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: what time the.

1670
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: Game, it as makes no difference. They're the film of

1671
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills and all the players that play in

1672
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: those games are going to be scrutinized by every single

1673
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: team around the league. So it doesn't matter whether on

1674
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: primetime or not. Teams know who every player on the

1675
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: Bills tit squad is. What their opinion is of each

1676
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: and every individual player is something we don't know and

1677
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 1: need to do. The Bills, the Bills know they like

1678
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: this guy, that guy, that guy, maybe that guy not

1679
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: so much, whatever, But they don't know what other teams

1680
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: think about their guys. That's why gms call each other,

1681
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: uh to find that. So you're you're right, uh there.

1682
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: It is a problem with the defensive front. With Hoyt

1683
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: and Ogan Joey coming back off suspension, it seems crowded.

1684
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: You're not keeping twelve defensive lineup.

1685
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: You've got to figure out what you're gonna do with

1686
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: those guys.

1687
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 2: Injuries could dictate that between now and then. Otherwise, Yeah,

1688
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna have some tough decisions to make and a

1689
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 2: trade is an option that is at Brandon Bean's disposal.

1690
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. We'll see if we can

1691
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: squeeze a phone call in when we get back on

1692
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live.

1693
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 5: Stay with us, all right.

1694
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 2: Back here on One Bill's Live, and we're gonna quick

1695
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: squeeze a phone call in here to Mark in West Seneca.

1696
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: What's up Mark?

1697
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 11: Quick? Guys. First of all, Judy, that put us through

1698
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 11: that again, that stress. If we got nothing to say

1699
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 11: to complain about it, at least call in to let

1700
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 11: us know you're okay. So that's the first thing I

1701
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 11: wanted to say. Secondly, as far as the game goes,

1702
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 11: I just want to see total control by the Bills No.

1703
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 11: Ten twelve play drives against their defense, and a nice

1704
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 11: healthy mix of even balanced running pass on the offense.

1705
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 11: But I do want to see him attack with the

1706
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 11: passing game. We probably know we can run the ball

1707
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 11: on these guys, but still don't ignore the passing game.

1708
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 11: We want to see him throw the ball down the

1709
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 11: field a little bit. Secondly, I had a question you guys.

1710
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 11: I might have asked this in the past, I don't remember.

1711
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 11: I don't understand the fifty three man roster forty eight

1712
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 11: man game day roster, what the reason is for that?

1713
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 11: And do guys who are inactive get their full game check.

1714
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 11: I'm just curious as to what the league's reasoning is

1715
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 11: for doing that. And wouldn't the game be served better

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01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 11: with all fifty three guys being out there ready to

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01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 11: play on a game day for the quality of play

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01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 11: in case somebody gets injured. I'm just curious as to

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01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 11: what the reasoning is with that. And lastly, real quick,

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Speaker 11: I want to make a comment about the Ravens. Everybody

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 11: keeps talking about the Ravens five number one draft picks

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01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 11: in their defensive backfield, and everybody's concentrating on it because

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01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 11: they've had the old ball run on them so badly

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01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 11: the first three games. Don't forget what Josh did to

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01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 11: those five number one picks throwing the ball against them.

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01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 11: So I was a little bit afraid of them when

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01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 11: we first went into that game as far as their dbs,

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01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 11: but after what Josh did to him, not so much anymore.

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01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 11: So that's just my comments, guys. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks Mark, you want to weigh in on

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01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 2: the roster there, Steve.

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01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: The fifty three man roster. They what they need is

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01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: they need some slack because of the injury that happens

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01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: to every roster. If you got fifty three guys on

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01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: your roster, that's great, But if only forty eight of

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01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: them are healthy, what are you going to do. You

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01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: need to have a a set number on game. That's

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01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: where it all starts, is the game day needs and

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01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: the football guys want at least forty eight guys, right,

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01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: So they give them the forty eight guys, But they

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01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: got to have guys in rect in backups because if

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01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 1: you get two offensive linemen down now, you don't have

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01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 1: enough guys to play the game. You got to you

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01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: gotta supplement it. That's why the practice squad is there

1745
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: as well. And the practice squad is basically a way

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01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: to keep a bunch of guys in the building and

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01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: not have to pay them an NFL salary. Basically is

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01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: what it is.

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01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: Injuries are where it's rooted, though in terms of it

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01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 2: is induring fifty three to forty eight. Yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: pretty much it for us today here on a Thursday

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Speaker 2: edition of One Bills Live. Tomorrow, the OBL Friday fan

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01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: mail bag will be open. So if you have any

1754
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 2: questions under the sun about the Bills, the league, or

1755
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 2: any other team, fire it off at us on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: at X, or just give us a call Tomorrow at

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01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: eight oh three oh five. Fifty also got great co

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Speaker 2: sel from NFL Film Tomorrow. We'll see it for a

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Speaker 2: Friday edition at one