1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot M, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: What's Up Everybody? Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome to Jay dot 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Ill the Podcast. I'm just Scott and I'm sitting here 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: with my sister friends like is st Clair, Hey, y'all, 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: and Agia Graydon Danceler. It is me and I'm here. Yeah, 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: we're here. You look, we we come to a certain 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: place in our lives, you know, we're gonna do a 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: certain place, and we realize, we realize we're watching the 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: young paper. We're watching the young papers do amazing things. 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: You know. I'm really starting to feel like, damn, every 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: dream that our ancestors had is actually coming into fruition, 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: like for real, for bro, do they know themself? I 13 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: don't know if they know. I don't know how many 14 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: people have paved the way for for for them right now, 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: Like okay, Like I think I had tweeted something and 16 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: somebody said, Jill Scott walk so Jasmine Sullivan and Ari 17 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Lennox could lie or something, and I was like, but 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: actually it was Mom's made, it was Millie Jackson, it 19 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: was my rainy, it was it was it was them, 20 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, Mr Smith that walked so I could run 21 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, so they could fly, you know, it's it's yeah, 22 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, might I'd be able to see the nineties 23 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: though maybe not, you know, because there's there's young people 24 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: right now, there's children that really don't even know who 25 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson is not connected to it at all at all. 26 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's the same metaphor. But something 27 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: I met I talked to a thirty something you're Niggers, 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: like I've never say a house party, was like, so 29 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: how you yeah, but but this is this is we're 30 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: at that place, yes, and I have accepted we have 31 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: to accept that. And there's artists that you know, my 32 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: mother was jamming too. But I listen to all our music. 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: So that's the maybe that's the challenge here. You know, 34 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: we watched their movies. We watched the movies, we listening 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: to their music. And I'm not certain you know that 36 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: that's what's happening here at a nice little trending weekend. 37 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to me, I just found out I was trending 38 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: over the weekend just artists, people talking about neo soul 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: and and you know my afect on it, no, yeah, 40 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: in a in a nice way in a very nice way. 41 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, wow, this level of love is 42 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: is awesome sauce. I didn't know it, but I feel like, 43 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, in those moments that a lot of people 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with any of the music, maybe they 45 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: just know the highlights, you know, that they might have 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: dug a little bit deeper to find out, you know, 47 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of music, pretty much like you know, 48 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: medication or whatever ails. You know. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 49 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because the idea that now we're 50 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: at this positioning where there are folks that grew up 51 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: on our music, people who um, you know, and so 52 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: this and that are making music or art or anything 53 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: or doing anything having you know, the work that our 54 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: particular generation has done, as you know, as a basis 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: for or a continuation, And it's like that's a lot 56 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: to kind of you know process. But then at the 57 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: same time too, I feel like now we're also in 58 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: that interesting space that our parents were in when we 59 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: were coming of age, and now we have to own 60 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: the fact that yes, there's new art, there's new ways 61 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: of thinking that are coming along and that we have 62 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: to and and that we have a pride in being 63 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: a part of that. But at the same time, too, 64 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: we have to do something our parents didn't have to 65 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: do that, we have to really participate. And that's where 66 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: it starts to get a little bit like, oh my gosh, 67 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: because you know, who doesn't romanticize their own generation. I mean, 68 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: at some point they were saying that the Boomers was 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: the great generation or the best, you know, and then 70 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: we had to clean the Yeah, we had to come 71 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: in the shadow of that. Like I remember when to 72 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: say you were a gen X was like a condemnation 73 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: these gen xers and what are they and what do 74 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: they believe in? And this kind of thing. I remember 75 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: that being like a bad thing. And now the same 76 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,559 Speaker 1: young people who got really got the shaft, people talking 77 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: all types of ship about us. Now it's like we're 78 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: the middle aged folks now, and we gave them a 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: little more grace than maybe the gen Z is to 80 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: get the gen xers like the gen X get Baby 81 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: Boomers a little more grace. And the fact that they, 82 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, came before us. It just has a minute 83 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: to come on board. It definitely took us a minute. 84 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening. Nobody's saying anything like 85 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was hip hop. You're supposed to tell 86 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: a story, right, it's supposed to be like, you know, 87 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: you're supposed to see images in the lyrics, right? What 88 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: you said? What? What do you say? Herman? You know? 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on? It was a lot 90 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: of mumble rap for all time, and I just didn't 91 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: get it until I got it. But don't you rewind 92 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: back to like bone thuds or like I'm trying apprucial 93 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: conflict or like what our parents were saying when it 94 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: was like what the hell they But if I slowed down, 95 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 1: if I paid attention, I could hear what they were saying. 96 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: That's with the mumble rap. I was just like, I 97 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. And the thing is that the 98 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 1: kids know exactly. But the kids know exactly what they saying. 99 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Yes they do, they do. EXA was a vibration until 100 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: I realized that's what was happening. I was like, oh, oh, 101 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: they're seeing sounds laughing at the gen zars because that's 102 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: not what we do as responsible jen exers. It's nothing 103 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: to laugh at either. I think they're dope. I'm so 104 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: dumb proud of y'all, Like you don't wake no, sis, 105 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. This is this is this is 106 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: a new level, baby, I need you to understand it. 107 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Initially I was what, in fact, what's happening? It's going 108 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: to god. It was so fast. Your movement was so fast, 109 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's still fast, to be a hundred percent honest, 110 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: there was. I had a weird kind of interaction with 111 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: one of my kids when he was with my oldest, 112 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: when he was like, I want you've probably been like 113 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: nine or ten, and I'm like, on, mylen, let me 114 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: put you onto the real hip hop. Let me pitch you. 115 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: I did the same. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm 116 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: gonna give you a little playlist. I'm gonna you'll show 117 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: you what to listen to. Man, I've got the old school, 118 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: i got the nineties joint. I'm giving them all this 119 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: stuff to listen to. And it's and and and Honestly, 120 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: at the time that I killed was nine ten years old. 121 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: There wasn't really like the quote unquote mumbo rap. He 122 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: was still getting a lot of m c s at 123 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: that point, you know what I'm saying. When he was 124 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 1: a so my son put me on too. Kendrick Lamar 125 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: during his mixtape days. So it's like, this is so 126 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: I have a actually I actually have a sort of 127 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: a gen z that's kind of a millennial. Like he 128 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: thinks like a millennial a little bit because his mama 129 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: played him the Good Hide. No, let me tell you know. Listen, 130 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: So I give this kid some stuff to listen to. 131 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: Number one, Old school hip hop bugged him out. He 132 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: was like, this stuff sounds dumb. I'm gonna be I'm listening. 133 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give it listen for when we hear 134 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 1: mumble rapping, we're like what and they hear a tune 135 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: to listen. But but this is the thing for me 136 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: that's nostalgic, and I see it as a foundation before 137 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 1: a kid who has no ear for it, He's like, mom, 138 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: this sounds like the stuff that they how they teach 139 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: us to a B c s on the internet, Like 140 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: this don't make sense to me. And this is with 141 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: all due respect to old school hip hop because they 142 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: laid the foundation for what was happening there and you 143 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: can go back to certain artists from the forties who 144 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: were doing that and and rapping like that. So I'm 145 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: not this is not a disrespect thing, but this is 146 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: a kid with fresh ears listening to this. Who this is? 147 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: That's not a part of his generation. Then I gave 148 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: him Wu Tang. So I'm like, let me, let me 149 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: give you something else, you know, boo boom boom, And 150 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: he's like okay, You're like, yeah, all right, So mom, 151 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: what exactly do bees killer bees have to do with 152 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: Kung fu movies? Well? Now, I was like, sir, it's 153 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: art and you don't have to know what it means. 154 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: We're asking what it means. Questions? Are you asking questions 155 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: about this? No? Right, Like the black Man didn't even 156 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: know what they were saying in those movies. On the 157 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: other end of that spectrum, I played Woutang for Jet, 158 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: who is now twelve. I played Mutang for him on 159 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: the plane and he lost his mind. It was awesome. 160 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: I was so proud. Oh, I was so proud. Yeah, 161 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, he's listening for the first time. I'm 162 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: so happy. But you don't, like I said, I mean, 163 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: you know what you can again, some some people are 164 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: gonna get it. Some people are not going to get it. 165 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: That's the pain. The point is at the end of 166 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: the day that art, art is gonna art, no matter 167 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: or what generation coming from. It's gonna do what it's 168 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: gonna do, and some people are gonna be some people 169 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: gonna be tapped in and some people are not. And 170 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: it is secular moment that Jill you have with with 171 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: Jet is the moment that we had with our parents 172 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: when we popped our heads and maybe some Miles Davis 173 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: or some Taddy Pendergrass and we started singing the words 174 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: like that. It just felt like such It's like, I'm sorry, 175 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean Jet used to sing turned off the yan. 176 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, something you would have took them 177 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: downstairs and when your friends were sitting there now seeing 178 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: for everybody else, shout what you could do? Remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 179 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: we'll be back after the break at the end of 180 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: the day. Like these kids they developed, they develop an 181 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: ear for what it is you exposed them too. But 182 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: when they start going out into the world, like I 183 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: give you a perfect example, it's like they again, like 184 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: y'all know, my son is an old man, so he 185 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: knows all the classic R and B the areas to know, 186 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that's who he But as 187 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: it comes to hip hop, like you know, if you 188 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: ask him, he's gonna talk about slim village. That's who 189 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: he's into, you know what I'm saying. And so there's 190 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: there's just it is what it is. But I will 191 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: say this that I knew a guy. There's a guy 192 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: who is an artist. He's well known in Atlanta and 193 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: he's a photographer. And kid was exposed to art, exposed 194 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: to the artistic community. Boom boom boom boom. Kid comes out, 195 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: makes a record and everybody from this catch generation is 196 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: dogging this kid, not realizing that it's his son. So 197 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: end of the day, the kid's name is l Yati. 198 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: His father is an artist. His father is a part 199 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: of our generation. He's an little Yati's dad. Um I 200 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: don't I mean, I'm just saying like I don't know 201 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: him personally. I just know he's a part of you know, 202 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: he's a part of the art community in Atlanta. And 203 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: my thing is like this, This is what I'm saying 204 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: is that even when you are exposing your kid to 205 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: what you believe is the next stage and step of 206 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: the type of art and thinking of your generation, they're 207 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: gonna make what they're gonna make. And even a kid 208 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: who goes crazy for for wu tang or a kid 209 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: who likes Teddy Pendergrass or a kid like who likes 210 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: nineties R and B. We'll still and can still be 211 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: a little yati. And that's no, that's just saying that 212 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: when you get to your generation, you're gonna function in 213 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: your generations where of thinking and and and and way 214 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: of doing and expressing yourself. You know what I'm saying. 215 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: If you watch Love and hip Hop and you also 216 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: know that Deon Ferris's daughter is, and I'm gonna tell 217 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: you right now that you would not know that that 218 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: was Deon Farris's daughter because she is a hip hop 219 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: artist and she is in the Atlanta scene, and yeah, 220 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: she is a little Love and hip hop through this period, 221 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: right because they're doing what they do right. Because they're 222 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: doing what they do, they're not doing what we did. 223 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: And and I'm and I'm not saying well when I 224 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: say that, what I mean is that our parents kind 225 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: of maybe how do I put this? Our parents laid 226 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: down a certain foundation for us, and it was like, Okay, 227 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: you get out of high school, you go to college, 228 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: you know you right, you get married, you have kids, 229 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, you have your job, you get promotions, you 230 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: buy your house in the suburbs. You do this, that 231 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: that just that, that's that's how you live. And this 232 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: generation is not, like, that's not how I live. You know. 233 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: I've just ide it that I want to save seven 234 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and buy a bus and turn it into 235 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: a house and I can move anywhere I want to 236 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: whenever I feel like it, and I don't have to 237 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: pay property taxes. And I'm like, damn, you smart, Damn 238 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: I see you. You know the our kids, you know, 239 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: to think go back to Kanye, you know, college dropout. 240 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: You know, our kids are like, ah, you know, I 241 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: might as well save this money, not get into debt, 242 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, and go have some experiences and learn from 243 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: learn from some other people, and learn on my own 244 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: and and have a career. There are twenty three year 245 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: old millionaires. It started when they were nineteen. I'm like, damn, 246 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: that unheard of. That was like it's still on the 247 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: shoulders and the hills of somebody else. And it goes 248 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: back to that too, like acknowledging that because even in 249 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: that freak, that freedom, that freedom be can't came because 250 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: you are allowed to watch your parents go through college debt. 251 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you are you are you? 252 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: You got to see what they went through and you 253 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: went out. I don't want that for my life, and 254 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: these other ways that I can do that. So it's 255 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: just it's all in the process. PS. I just want 256 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: to mention that Lolati's dad, his name is Shannon McCullum, 257 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: and he is a photographer who takes portraits and documentary 258 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: documentary work for Outcast, Dead Prayers, Too Short, and a 259 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: bunch of others. So awesome, but and and and and 260 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: super proud of his son, as we all are. But again, 261 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: my point is that this is a kid who was 262 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: getting bashed by gen xers about him being mumble wrapped, 263 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: and this is that and the other, and it's just 264 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: like it wasn't like this kid was not exposed to 265 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: our generation in their art. He was, you know what 266 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like there's there's just a matter 267 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: of a respect level, probably, But I think the respect 268 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: issue is really at the core of some of this. 269 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: It's like what Laiah was saying, I feel like we're 270 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: at this place where we want our respect, but I 271 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: think that the respect aspect is looked upon differently when 272 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: we were coming age. It's like respect was a thing 273 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: that we owed must be done, and that was something 274 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: that yes, must be can so think that what we 275 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: failed to talk about is the what we failed to 276 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: talk about, But what young people witnessed is how toxic 277 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: our elders can be. And and so the lesson they 278 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: came out of that with is yes, respect is important, 279 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: but respect is earned. And I think that for us 280 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: becoming elders in this space that we want that innate respect. 281 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: We want that because I showed up respect, because they 282 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: becomes basic struggle respect, Like you just feel like there's 283 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: some basic you know, at least for us to the 284 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: baby boomers went through some struggle, whether it was integration, 285 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: segregation and protest and all that, but there's a basic grace, 286 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: you know. I think I got the message. I was 287 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: at an award show and a new artist who had 288 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: who was doing well, I'm not gonna name his name, 289 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: but when I was standing backstage and he damn near 290 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: knocked me down, and I was I was watching him 291 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: walk towards me. I know that he could see me. 292 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't see him, but he came by with such 293 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: a fury to go nowhere, to literally stay in a 294 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: few feet away. He almost knocked me down, and I 295 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, I see how this goes. Like 296 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: he he may not have been familiar with me or whatever. 297 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: And I of course that was the part that got me, 298 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, you respectful. No, I didn't 299 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: make it okay. I just I was like, Okay, I 300 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: see what's happening here. This young man is in the 301 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: height of his you know, stardom. Yeah, he was young. 302 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: It was new um at the time. Like, Okay, he's 303 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: in the height of his new stardom and he don't 304 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: have a good sense yet and maybe maybe later he'll 305 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: have good sense. I don't know. It didn't exactly, it 306 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: didn't exactly work out real well for him overall. But 307 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, some people just Jakie, you know what I'm saying, 308 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: young or old? Yeah, I didn't. I mean, I feel 309 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: like what I've been hearing from my peers. And then also, 310 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: and I have some I want to go so far 311 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: as to say I have some gen X friends who 312 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: I have some millennial friends. I would say have some 313 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: gen X because my my children are age range is wide, 314 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: so I interact with gen X is probably a lot 315 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: more because of that, But what I'm hearing from my 316 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: peers a lot of the time is that who these 317 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: kids are is just we're at a loss for what 318 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: they want out of life because it just does not align. 319 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: And I think even some of the things we've said 320 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: here is that it just does not align at the 321 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: core with some of the values that we feel have 322 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: defined our our lives. I think sometimes we misname some 323 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: of the values that define our lives. Number one, Right, 324 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: It's like we we can be radical when you're young, 325 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: but when you get older, you fear more. You you 326 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: have children, you have more fear is installed in you. 327 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: And it's like and and the idea of how will 328 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: I take care of myself, how will I do X, 329 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: Y and Z, And so we lean into the values 330 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: that our parents gave us as a safety net. And 331 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: I think part of that safety net is what keeps 332 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: us from respecting the fact that the next generation is 333 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: not trying to continue that fear. They don't have the 334 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: same fear. And I'm gonna go out on a limb 335 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: and say, sometimes there's a bit of a jealousy that 336 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: I hear sometimes with people from age range, where it's 337 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: like when we see that they're not scared, but we 338 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: switched and shifted some of our radical nature because we 339 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: got a little oh yeah, like oh maybe just being 340 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: jealous of their bravery. Because also but Asia, again, we 341 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: have to reiterate because Asian made this point and we 342 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: were talking to we were talking to two young people 343 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: that are in that generation. Your revolution is very strong 344 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: in your twenties. However, as you get older in your 345 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: thirties and your forties, I mean, Tupac made the point. 346 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: Kinder Lamar reiterated it. It kind of life. Life happens, 347 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: and that revolution kind of shrinks a little bit. And 348 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: that's just generational regardless. It's like every generation, and I 349 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: would say, particularly for a couple of folks, you get 350 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: the anti black beat down. Every black generation has to 351 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: fight their revolutionary spirit because they get that black, anti 352 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: black beat down. And if you get a certain age, 353 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to push back on you. You know what 354 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm saying, because you have seen some things like oh 355 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: wait a minute, it that wow? You know what I'm saying. 356 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: And I remember Carrie Bellafonte said something kind of similar 357 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: to this, and don't quote me about exactly what he said, 358 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: but he was talking about how like, at some point 359 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: when you're young, it's kind of like certain kind of 360 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: activism is a young man's game. When you get to 361 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: a certain point, is your job to fund it. It's 362 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: not your job to go to jail. It's your job 363 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: to pay the bail. You feel me? Yeah? I do. 364 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: Thank God for the role so many times as the 365 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: older person. Right, So at some point we do kind 366 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: of shift. But if we're not able to understand the language, 367 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: if we're not able to communicate with each other, young 368 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: people are going to say, you can keep your check 369 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: m hm, you know, and what will raise the money 370 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: on our own? Which they do? Yeah, this is the 371 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: I was like, go fund me. What are you asking 372 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: someone to bail your bills? What are you asking some 373 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: wants to start your your business? Who? And the mean 374 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: ship was happening. It was happening. I was like, oh, 375 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: this is a thing, yo, And a lot of people 376 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: are funding their businesses, are paying their bills, are bailing 377 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: themselves out of jail based on you know, go fund 378 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: me and the like. I'm like, I see you about 379 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: fixing things and not falling for the similar traps. I'm 380 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: impressed my grandmother had curtains, my grandmother had curtains everywhere 381 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: because she grew up in nineteen seventeen, so the idea 382 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: of having curtains, not only curtains, but silk curtains was 383 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: a big deal. So there were curtains in the in 384 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: the bathroom, the curtains that I had the iron, I 385 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, when I grow up, I 386 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: don't never want no gardens, and I don't have any. 387 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't have any. I may in the future, 388 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't think straight. Listen if you. I went to 389 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: to a neighborhood and it was all of this, this beautiful, 390 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: and it's just everything was just so appointed and nobody 391 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: had curtains on the window. And I was like, wait 392 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: a minute, why don't they have curtains because they're not 393 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: afraid somebody's gonna bust their ship and come in there 394 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: and take their stuff. I said, okay, I'm taking all 395 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: the curtains down. I'm taking all the curtains down. That 396 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: was a revolutionary moment for mee rid of of the past, 397 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: or the idea of this is success. Curtains means success 398 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: and less and safety and safety that's not that's not 399 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: what it means. Now you know. So I'm just telling 400 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: you these little revolutions, these little breakups are something. But 401 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: but mind you, mind you this moment that you're having 402 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: about your grandmother and something something as simple as curtains 403 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: and the massive and cultural implication, the uh and political 404 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: implications in our community just off you talking about them. Curtains. Girl, girl, 405 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: it's so serious because, like you said, it's like, you're 406 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: not gonna carry that fear and that miss I don't 407 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: want to say misplaced value, but that value around success. 408 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: You're not going to carry that into the next generation. 409 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: But here's the vibe. Your son has no idea why 410 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: you don't have curtains. He doesn't have that that point 411 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: of reference. Because I was sitting here thinking, like I 412 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: hope that Jill shares this story because we got to 413 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: keep telling these stories and people understand why some people 414 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: are still stuck in certain things because why you get it, 415 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: somebody else didn't have that light bulb, you know what 416 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. They still got curtains, even with their mama 417 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: had curtain, their grandma I got curtain. I don't know 418 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: why what we do. I'm just gonna go ahead and 419 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: say it, Like young folks, my mind sweet babies who 420 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: are not babies, who who are having the game, so 421 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: proud of you in so many areas, You're ration your 422 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: your excers and your millennials, primarily your excers for now, 423 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: they're still exceptionally valuable to you. So don't exclude yourself. 424 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: You know, like I don't want to be around a 425 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: bunch of old people. You ain't gotta be around a 426 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: bunch of old people. Catch a couple, Catch a couple. 427 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: They're gonna help you catch a couple. They may be 428 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: the ones that fund your your dynamic idea. They may 429 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: be the ones that peep you on some some serious 430 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: game that you have no idea about. You know, don't 431 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: don't isolate yourself because you're so dope. That's you're dope, 432 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: But don't isolate yourself. Okay. On the flip for the 433 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: people that are our age and calling themselves older and 434 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: calling them debages and stuff, I'm with Asian on brilliant 435 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: person in your life because I have to change your life. 436 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: You don't even know about people. I'm just saying the 437 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: things that young people can put you onto that you 438 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: never even thought about before, that can just make life eat, Like, 439 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: come off, stop stop being like I already know I've 440 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: been doing this. I've been doing this, I know this, 441 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: I've been doing it. I'm gonna tell I had a 442 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: humbling moment and Jil I that is with Asia. But 443 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: I want to tell you I've been hosting and being 444 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: a radio check for two Starmer years and I was 445 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: big up to the Black Star Film Festival. I was 446 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: hosting their closing party last week and two things happened 447 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: that were very generational. The first thing was it was 448 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: two ladies on the floor and to me too, ladies, 449 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: and I said on the mike, yo, big up to 450 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: the two ladies and getting the party started up. La 451 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: la la. One of the young organizers generations and organizers 452 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: just like, hey, I'm gonna need you to use the 453 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: proper pronouns when you're and she just said I'm gonna 454 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: need you. I'm just you know, saying my own life 455 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: of remix. But she was like, can't you just you know, 456 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: maybe they them things like I said, well I will, 457 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: but you do know that the people I was talking 458 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: to like they are they examine like they're presenting them 459 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: to And she's like it's cool, but it's still can 460 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: you do that? Though my remix was like, you know, 461 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: I started with y'all, yeah, y'all, we're killing it, y'all, Yeah, 462 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: what up y'all? We had build up. The second thing 463 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: that happened, big up to my brother Vick to do 464 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: play legendary producer and DJ S been in the party. 465 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: We we big up and here comes his dancehall section. 466 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: You know, we'all look over to the dancehall part of 467 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: the night right, And so Victor play the dance hall 468 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: phone that is self familiar to all of us that 469 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: we all be rocking out to on the floor. I'm 470 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: rocking on the mic yea too with shoot to what 471 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: I will say, probably queer women ran up to me 472 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: in haste like sheuse, excuse me, use the host the 473 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: hosts of health um um Okay, So you guys are 474 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: playing a song and it's very triggering and it's talking 475 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: about killing homosexual people and blah blah blah, and I 476 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: was like, oh blah bar I had no idea in 477 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: the midst of the conversation. You know, the song we 478 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: earlier moved on, I'll be known to him, but he 479 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: but they were like, can you still let him know? 480 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, picctre letting you know that 481 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: that song was this, and he was like, wow, I 482 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: don't even speak past fall. I had no idea, and 483 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: I was like like, this is where we are. And 484 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: then in that moment the gen xer and me said 485 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: let me just say something on the mic so that 486 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: people understand, because I can't just leave it like that. 487 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, big up to the family, 488 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: big up, shoot the children that in the buildings, we 489 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: love y'all. Some we are still learning. We may make 490 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: some mistakes, but thank you for making us aware and 491 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: we are with y'all. That is that is the most 492 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: beautiful statement right there. Yeah, and it's so simple. It's 493 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: really not that hard. And sometimes I think it's in 494 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: hurance in them. They had this this bravado about being 495 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: respected and it didn't matter if they were worthy of 496 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: respect or not right, and it was enforced and we 497 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: we just we just naturally went along with it. We 498 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: naturally went along with it. Here's something's this is a 499 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: small thing. Might be like, why so insensitive? That's where 500 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: we don't know. I hate it. I hate stop. I'll 501 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: talk about it later, but have been in it. Yeah, 502 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. I've noticed when you're walking down 503 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: the street, there is a certain group of people that 504 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: that will just walk through you and and automatically you 505 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: kind of just you move yourself a little bit. And 506 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: then I started to say, hey, I was here first. 507 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: I was here first. You will have to move yourself 508 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: out of the way, or we will look each other, 509 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: and I quickly and mutually agree that we're both going 510 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: to give a little I said, this is enough of 511 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: that ship. But that comes from these young people who 512 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: are like and what so what. I cannot assume that 513 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: somebody is going to respect my my little twenty years 514 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or twenty one or whatever. 515 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: That I can't assume that. But at the same time, 516 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: I have to respect I'm glad it's night. What is it, 517 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: fifty some years in this business, in the entertaining business, 518 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: still singing her face off. I have to respect Shaka Khan, 519 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 1: the door, she opened, all the doors. Okay, what are 520 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: you talking. I have to respect Grace Jones until something 521 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: comes out about them that is maybe cancel worthy. And 522 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: then there's always something cancel worthy. It's always that I'm 523 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: talking about human beings. Yeah we were young too, Yeah, 524 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: I mean to be honest I feel like that I'm 525 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna just throw this out here, and I 526 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: mean I might be wrong, because I mean I could 527 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: go on Twitter and maybe y'all can who me wrong 528 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: one is, But I have to say that I honestly 529 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: feel like gen Z people of color, and particularly black 530 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: gen z ears, I think they are willing to give 531 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: a lot of grace. I think the a yeah, I 532 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: think the arrogance that sometimes that we witness sometimes can 533 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: be the fact that that we have folks within groups 534 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: that young black people are a part of that are 535 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: not black, and so they bring some of their privilege 536 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: into those spaces and some of that arrogance and entitlement 537 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: into those spaces, and so people from our generation read 538 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: that as the whole generation when it ain't themb Sometimes 539 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: it's like you can go into situations where and I'll 540 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: give an example, like there are some of my queer 541 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: friends will be in queer spaces where they're talking about 542 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: equity and they're talking about stuff like that, but there's 543 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: a lot of disrespect and entitlement from white people in 544 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: those spaces. White women in those spaces, or white men, 545 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: you know, and or even white trans people so they 546 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of different situations within the LGBTQ community 547 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: that they're dealing with a lot of those microaggressions, you know, 548 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: within a marginalized community. So I'm saying all that to 549 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: say that some of our perceptions, I think are mixed 550 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: together with privilege and entitlement that we see coming from 551 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: groups that are not our young people. And I'll say 552 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: I I will jump out there and say that most 553 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: of our young people are like the young women and 554 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: or the young folks that came up and spoke to 555 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: Layah during that party. They're saying, Hey, I just want 556 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: to put you on or I want you to at 557 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: least let this person know. I think that what happens 558 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: is that when they receive energy that says that's too much, 559 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: that's confusing, I don't have time for that. That gets 560 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: on my nerves, y'all. People too sensitive. When they're met 561 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: with that by their own people, that is hurtful and 562 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: it puts them on a defensive. And that's what causes 563 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: that feeling of like, no, you don't get any grace, 564 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: You were dead as wrong. All you're gonna do is 565 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: dig your foot into sand and double down. And if 566 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna double down. Let me double down for you, Boom, 567 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: get to get, get to step in it. And I 568 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: don't care what art you made, I don't care who 569 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: you are, I don't care what you're doing. What I'm 570 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: not gonna do is have you double down when you're dead. 571 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: That's wrong. And that's that's my interpretation of those types 572 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: of interactions that I've seen where it sounds like accountability 573 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: to me, Boom, this is this is the error of accountability. 574 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: I always said that the maturity means accountability. That's how 575 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: you know that you have, you know, maturated. And this 576 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: is a whole. This means that people on a hole 577 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: are maturing. They're they're saying, we're not gonna be quiet 578 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: about the pedophile in the family anymore. We're not doing 579 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: that because what we're not going to be quiet about 580 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: you're touching, you know, touching the small in my back, 581 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: or or or saying nasty things to me, you know 582 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: while I'm at work. We're not gonna be quiet about that. 583 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: There was a lot of suffering, a lot of suffering 584 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: from a lot of people for many, many decades. We 585 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: took a lot of ship on the chin. They are 586 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: no longer taking ship like that, and I'm I'm impressed, 587 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: I'm inspired, and and I'm this is amazing to me. Okay, 588 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: this is amazing to me that this is how I feel. 589 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: But this is me crash and burn, no Jill, because 590 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. I'm impressed, and I'm so glad because, 591 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: like agent says, we have language now to be able 592 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: to say things. But it's interesting because as you were talking, 593 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: you know what I started thinking about. I started thinking 594 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: about the baby, right, and I was like, now, I 595 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: definitely was one of these people that was like, yo, dude, 596 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. You're gonna I can see why 597 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose jobs and day. But then they're be 598 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: little small pieces of information to come in, like you 599 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: lost your dad and your brother in the same year, 600 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that I really don't. There's also rumors 601 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: of are you sure you know who you are? So 602 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,959 Speaker 1: so then we use that that gen Zer, Okay, that's 603 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: not the cancel part, but the part about language and 604 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: understanding trauma and things of that nature. Do you use 605 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: that there, because y'all they also gave us that along 606 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: with the cancel and accountability stuff, right, But if this 607 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: is a hurt person that hurt people. M R. Kelly, 608 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, how do you handle? Do you straight cancel 609 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: or do you go let me dig deeper? Let this 610 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: this person needs to be dug deeper into and invested there. Well, 611 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: let me say this. I feel like that we're gonna 612 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: have to learn how to compartmentalize certain things. Right. So, 613 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: if you have a situation where this man is losing 614 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: money at a corporate level, you and I both understand 615 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: that that is a white man's decision, right, And so 616 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of times we get upset about ways in 617 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: which white supremacy affects people. So let's say if it 618 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: was a white artist that says something similar, and let's 619 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: not even say or what they said that about black people. 620 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: Let's just say they said that about people with HIV. Okay, 621 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: Let's just say they said the same thing, okay, and 622 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: not make a false equivalence, because that's nerve that drives 623 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: me insane too, is that. Okay, let's say this to 624 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: the same thing. Of course, we know, according to the 625 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: rules of white supremacy, that person is not going to 626 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: be punished at a corporate level the same way that 627 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: a black person would be right, right, So let's make 628 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: sure that we're clear that there are not black people 629 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: who have HIV or who are part of LGBTQ community 630 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: or both that are making decisions to take money out 631 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: of that man's pocket. That's not them. So it's so 632 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: important for us to not then say that that's the 633 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: group that's being hardest and less and having little grace 634 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: because they're not. There's not a white man that is 635 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: in the community. You don't know that because no, I'm 636 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: not saying it could be I just said white man. 637 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: It could be a white gay man. It could be 638 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: a white train, it could be whatever. The point is 639 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: that white come with privilege, White comes with entitlement, White 640 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: comes with power in the country structure, that in the 641 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: structure that we live in. So we have to be 642 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: clear when that is in play. But we can't then 643 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: say or say things that are hurtful to black people 644 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: who are a part of that community and make assumptions 645 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: about what they have power to do when they don't 646 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: have any power to do that. So and the reason 647 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: why I say that is because when you start saying, oh, 648 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: you can't say nothing about them, who to them you 649 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: talking about, Because then when you say that you're harming 650 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: your own people, because your own people are a part 651 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: of that community and trust and believe no one is 652 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: canceling anybody on their behalf. They're not. And the reason 653 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: why that's true is because our hip hop music has 654 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: gone unchecked for many years talking about gay people. We 655 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: sat there and was you were about the dance to 656 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: a dance hall song that was and nobody was thinking 657 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: about it because because the hip hop group and was like, 658 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: I got to that one point that I always sang 659 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, free fly flow, Oh I can't 660 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: that's crazy. That's crazy with that too. Why was I 661 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: ever cool with that? So it's not that baby does not. 662 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: And then another part is he did. He did another thing, 663 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: the double down. So there's the double down that makes 664 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: your own people like, well, now I'm not coming to 665 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: save you. Now, I'm not coming to help because I 666 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: could have come to help you with that situation, but 667 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: now you're doubling down as if I don't exist and 668 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: you're erasing me, and to me, it's like, and I 669 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: know as a woman how that feels when as a 670 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: black woman, A lot of times black men want us 671 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: to come to their defense, but then you double down. 672 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I would have came to your defense 673 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: when the white man came for you, But what you 674 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: did was you double down on what you did as 675 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: if it didn't affect me too. Damn it n sorry, 676 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: So I need you to cut it the hell out. 677 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I'm not coming to 678 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 1: help you now. It's too many black men who would 679 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: never do that who need my help. So it feels complicated, 680 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: but it's really not. And what I think, honestly, what 681 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: we all need to do is when we let's go 682 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: back to language, one of the best things, and let 683 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: me say terms like intersectionality. Those are not new terms. 684 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: That's not that it come from millennials, that came from 685 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 1: a Gen xer. It's actually a very old term. Okay, 686 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: so we didn't use it. Yeah, it had to trickle 687 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: down from academia into everyday conversation. But what I'm saying 688 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: is that now that we have language, and now that 689 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: we understand that, in order to make an analysis of 690 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: a situation, we're gonna need to understand what a word 691 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: like racism actually means, what a word like patriarchy means, 692 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: what white supremacy means, what homophobia means, what misogyny means. 693 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: The actual meaning of these words is important because that's 694 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: how we're able to differentiate what we're actually looking at, 695 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: and we're not getting emotional and deciding that, Okay, listen, 696 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: this this somehow implicates me. So I want you to 697 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: have grace for that person, because I think that could 698 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: have been me. So I want you to have grace 699 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: for me. But do you ever find yourself having moments 700 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: where you're like, Okay, that's hmm, that's prejudice, or that 701 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: homophobic or yeah, yeah, yeah, especially when you those moments 702 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: when stuff. A lot of times it happens when you're 703 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: singing back stuff you like, listening to music, saying things, 704 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: repeating ship that you heard your whole life. A lot 705 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: of us felt like, let's keep it like funky. I 706 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: remember when the survivor R Kelly Being came out and 707 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: a lot of us were feeling guilty about not that 708 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: we rolled with the elite things, but just that we 709 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: didn't fight it or he didn't protesting like that they'd 710 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: protected like why was that? Why was he still allowed 711 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: to make baby making music that? You know what I'm saying? 712 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: So I feel like a lot of us. That's one 713 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: of those things that we were like, Okay, her mama, 714 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: her daddy was cool dad? Then right? You know, well, 715 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,479 Speaker 1: how cool are you now? Singing and dancing and making 716 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: love to a dude? Who does that? A six year old? 717 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: So we still got something. We got our finger in 718 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: the game. But I just as some of us was 719 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: the same age as her that part, how are we 720 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: going to protect her when we was just kids ourselves 721 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: and maybe even in Peter Now you want us to 722 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: tell our truth, Joe Scott, Joe Scott, you ain't gonna 723 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: tell my truth by what I was doing when I 724 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: was sixteen. Mmm, I wasn't. I didn't catch on quite frankly, 725 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to you. Ain't catch on until 726 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: a chocolate factory. I didn't catch on chocolate factory, But like, 727 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: is this something A really walk on us? I didn't 728 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: catch you on until then. I was like, oh, I 729 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: like this music, but I didn't catch on. Initially the 730 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: vibe got me. I was like, what's happening? I don't know. 731 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't for me. White for us was moving fast. 732 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: Like I tried to explain the cellfls younger than us like, Yo, 733 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: the Internet hit in high school, son, like the internet 734 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: was it was at high school, and then from there 735 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: it's just fast, fast, fast fast microwave beat her cellphone 736 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: ba ba ba ba ba box. We are the last 737 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: generation to know what it's like to not have internet. 738 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: We are the last generation to not know what it's 739 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: like to have a cell phone. Everybody got cell phone 740 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: and cell phone beeper, big blocks that people were carrying 741 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: around your car. Yeah, I'm saying even the phone in 742 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: the car our head of cord, like you know, and 743 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,479 Speaker 1: that was just on TV. I didn't have a clear, 744 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: I didn't friend. I had a beef for that. All 745 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: that that was, that was a big moment was beef 746 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: in me. I mean now nine oh God, one four 747 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: three for I love you come for through like we we. 748 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: I really feel like our generation. I mean, I guess, 749 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: like you said, every generation feels like they're important and valuaful. 750 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that are the last generation to 751 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: know a world, an entire world that will no longer 752 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: that no longer exists because okay, encyclopediaes, I still got something. 753 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: Suck them a cyclopedie is you know, I can't ride 754 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: with you all on that I'll go with everything else. 755 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: But no, I didn't. I was poor. I did not 756 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: have encyclopedia borrow. You didn't go to the I had 757 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: to go to the to the to the library and 758 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: use them. You couldn't check out people, mind you, mind you. 759 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: You couldn't check out encyclopedias. You had to use them 760 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: in the library. That's right, my mother. I don't know 761 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: who gave it to I think one of the doctors 762 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: she worked for gave her a set of encyclopedias. And 763 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 1: you couldn't. We looked at them things. Oh we sat 764 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: around and looked at them and the that they were all, 765 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, alphabetical. It was such a source of pride 766 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: to have a set of encyclopedias announced. You don't remember 767 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: when you had to learn the card catalog how to 768 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: even walk into a library and figure out how to 769 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,280 Speaker 1: find that stressed me out. I hate it. It stressed 770 00:44:53,320 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 1: me out. It stressed me, y'all remember micro feche I 771 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 1: was just about to say, don't sell the periodical section. 772 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: Please don't sit me down to periodical section. You remember 773 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: you remember when when you went to the library to 774 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: listen to records? Do you remember sitting by the radio 775 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: day waiting for your favorite song so you can hit 776 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: them two buttons and record it. Play record what I've 777 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: just been record the whole quiet. Oh my god, No, 778 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: I had to push records. Wouldn't get the commercials, the dedication, 779 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: more conversation after this break, Do y'all remember the radio 780 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: because there will be a generation of people who, yeah, 781 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: like black radio when radio have money, and they will 782 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: come out to stores and give way stuff. You know 783 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: you want to call all it with like all that 784 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: what I'm just saying, like, come come on, jen z 785 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: understand that we was the first really fast moving one, 786 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: so y'all fast too, But we move we think the 787 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: thing is in our minds. We think we're moving at 788 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: the speed of light. I told my daddy, I said, 789 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: we we got it hard because we got to keep 790 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: up with them and still communicate with y'all like you 791 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: don't understand in the middle. Oh, let me tell y'all, 792 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: I guess hosted on talk radio about a week ago. 793 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: Who y'all bless the baby boomers because let me tell 794 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 1: you something, girl trying to who let me? Well, yeah, 795 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,879 Speaker 1: that was a lot trying to use language that I've 796 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: come to understand better from a younger generation and then 797 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: speak them and then explain them to my mother's generation. 798 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: Was an interesting exercise. I am this whole calming down 799 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: thing for me. I told you all about this. You 800 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: know how I deal with with a lot of people 801 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: that I just came read down. I just think I 802 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: have to do the same thing with my mother. I 803 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: have to calm down to explain things. You know. I 804 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: can't do that. Yes, she's still smack me, you know 805 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So that's not what I want. But 806 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to inform peacefully with respect because that's my tactic, 807 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: and that's how I get away from my mama knocking 808 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: my head off because she's still six one, okay, and 809 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: pick up to the baby boomers that are taking the 810 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: information because I'm gonna say big up to Karema. We 811 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: had a whole conversation the other day about binary versus 812 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,320 Speaker 1: non binary because let me tell you about this again 813 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: in the progress thing. My mom is a former flight 814 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: attendant and she was letting me know the changes in 815 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: the airlines as far as the generations go. So now 816 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: flight attendants will now be able to wear non binary 817 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: uniforms you know you'll be able to wear sneakers because 818 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: throughout my mother's reign, flight attendants had to wear heels 819 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: no matter how long the flights. You know what I mean. 820 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: There are certain things being changed, like now men can 821 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: wear their hair down to their shoulders, are not in 822 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: a ponytail like things are happening. Things are changing in 823 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: baby boomers. Get out of later, I don't know, get 824 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: down the laid downs. I don't just say retired. Well, 825 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to um an 826 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: elder here in Philadelphia, Mama Ma Sean Goza, and I 827 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: love her. I follow her on the end on the 828 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:45,439 Speaker 1: social media's and I'm sounded like on the social yes, 829 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: I I follow her and she is a black woman 830 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: who is easily in her seventies and to our sixties. 831 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: Because I don't even want to I'm I mean, I 832 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: could guess whatever, but she black woman. She could be 833 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 1: eighty for real, for real, and we wouldn't know. But 834 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: the point is that I love watching what she posts. 835 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: This is an indication of a person from the boomer 836 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: generation that's really reading, that's staying in conversation with young people, 837 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: who loves young people. You know, because I think sometimes 838 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: it's just hard. It's hard to just lead from love 839 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,839 Speaker 1: mm hmm, you know. And that's that's one thing I 840 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: feel like we've had a hard time doing, not just 841 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: us though, because defining and understanding what leading from love 842 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,839 Speaker 1: looks like that has been a work in progress, and 843 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: that's been a part of our pushback from all the 844 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,479 Speaker 1: different things we've we've endured. And then, you know, Jill 845 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: said something earlier, I just want to make sure that 846 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: we don't forget. She talked about how we've been through 847 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: some things, you know, and endured some things and took 848 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,879 Speaker 1: some things on the chin and didn't know we had 849 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: a right to say I'm present and I get to 850 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: be in courting in this moment. And I think that 851 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: if it's one thing I would ask of younger generations 852 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 1: is to consider that part of it, because you know, 853 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: we didn't know or understand that we could say no 854 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: at all well to do because I'm older than you, right, 855 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,879 Speaker 1: and for us, we tried to find the best way 856 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: we could do it and still not we we tried 857 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: to to ride the fence, and some of us really 858 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: suffered because of that. You know, the outlook wasn't as 859 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: big now now there's I mean, we used to say 860 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: things like when you grow up, you could be anything 861 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: you want to, but that anything has gotten so much bigger. 862 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 1: There wasn't a black president, y'all living in the general 863 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: people was born with a black president. Wiser's jet was 864 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't know anything different anything. I mean, well, I 865 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: mean we had that moment and having another, but nonetheless, 866 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, just the fact that that was a part 867 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,440 Speaker 1: of his reality, you know, like the the bigger is 868 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: cotten so much bigger, it's so much more vast. There's 869 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: there's you know, Tarzan. Shout out to that young man, 870 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: you know out there, the black Tarzan just out there, 871 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, informing us about animals and being a part 872 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: of nature in such a wonderful way. Oh honey's going. 873 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 1: But it is also exceptionally informative, and that is his existence. 874 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: That's how he's living his life. That kid on TikTok 875 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 1: not TikTok um. I do like the kid on TikTok to. 876 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: I can't think of his name. Sorry, I don't do 877 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: the TikTok but I will be on in Tarzan, can 878 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: I also? You know what I want to throw in 879 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: there to the to the generation of a different world, yo, 880 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: not for nothing. A good cheat sheet is to really 881 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: understanding what's going on. You know you grown ish, grown 882 00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 1: ishron is shout out stick grown Ish. I My girls 883 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,359 Speaker 1: watch it, so I'm gonna go ahead and co sign 884 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: it because I'm like cause you're Sometimes we'll be like, yeah, 885 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: that's it, and the young people be like no. Family 886 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: and friends. Thank you so much for listening to Ja 887 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: dot Ill the Podcast. We were growing, yo, were growing, 888 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,040 Speaker 1: trying to learn a little bit more every day when 889 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: we come together, it is a very very powerful thing. 890 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you young people. I'm proud of you 891 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: old people too. Just keep working forward and everybody in 892 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: the middle, work the middle. Baby. Talk to you later. Hi. 893 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,520 Speaker 1: If you have comments on something we said in this 894 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: episode called eight six six, Hey, j if you want 895 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: to add to this conversation that's eight six six four 896 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 1: three nine five four five five. Don't forget to tell 897 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 1: us your name and the episode you're referring to. You 898 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 1: might just hear your message on a future episode. Thank 899 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,919 Speaker 1: you for listening to Jill Scott Presents j dot il 900 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: the Podcast. This podcast is hosted by Jill Scott Laya 901 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,400 Speaker 1: st Clair and Agr Graden Danceler. It's executive producers are 902 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,040 Speaker 1: Jill Scott, Shawn g and Brian Calhoun. It's produced by 903 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,800 Speaker 1: Liya st. Clair and me Eves Jeff Cope. The editing 904 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 1: and sound design for this episode we're done by Christina Larenger. 905 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 1: He is gorgeous jesuys y'all Instagram. I put two ends 906 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,160 Speaker 1: on the back of three ends on Tarz and Black Tarzan. 907 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 1: Go get adducation. J dot Ill is a production of 908 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: I heart Radio. For more podcast us from I heart Radio, 909 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,200 Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 910 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.