WEBVTT - 2 | Tomshanigans 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.760 The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.360 to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.959 publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.640 of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.520 LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:21.599 iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather, in 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.760 nineteen ninety five, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.600 a commune, and back then I lied to everybody. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.120 An a trainer was at a party in downtown Sebasketball. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.400 There are a lot of witnesses that said Anna she 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.320 had a fight with her boyfriend. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.440 I was with Anna's sister Willow that night, but we 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.239 were actually in the woods. We were on the Tender Hearts. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.240 Property, the most weed I've ever seen in my life, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.440 and Willow burned it down to the ground intentional. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.960 I'm not sure does that answer things or does that 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:50.560 does create more questions? 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:50.879 Right? 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.440 I mean, that's kind of my whole with this podcast, 0:00:53.960 --> 0:01:02.160 That's what I want to find out. My dad has 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.480 this story he tells from when he was a teenager. 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.000 One night, his friends told him to get in the car. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.400 Friends of mine that I grew up with. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:14.760 Said, hey, we have a girl that's living away from 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.040 here who. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:16.840 Is willing to take us on. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.679 And said, oh, yeah, yeah, come on, let's go. And 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.640 I said, oh, well sure, you know, I jumped in 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.360 the car and there were three or four of us. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.080 They were all going to see Sally Chase, an older 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.000 married woman who wanted to party with him while her 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.800 husband was out of town. They parked the car and 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:37.759 walked through the woods to go to a farmhouse. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.520 It was raining, started raining real light. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.880 But this house is up on the top of the hill. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.280 And side note, even though this really happened, this story 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.880 in my imagination is animated. Specifically, it looks like the 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.560 cover of a Hardy Boys novel or any old timey 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.040 book or movie poster with a haunted house or a 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.600 spooky farmhouse. Anyway, when my dad and his past and 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.640 they definitely called each other pal got close to Sally 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.920 Chase's porch, gunshots rang out. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:07.840 You're just one of light and window, and all of 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:09.639 a sudden, this guy yells out, oh. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.320 Did you should it bit you to come around her? 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.840 In my wife boom boom. Sally's husband was there yelling 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.080 and brandishing a shotgun, so one of my dad's friends 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.880 falls to the ground, screaming in pain. The shots kept coming, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.240 and understandably, my dad panicked. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.200 And I turned and I ran as fast as I 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.480 could out of there, not thinking of anybody else but surviving. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.280 As I'm running, I come up to his. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.200 Field on ahead of me and said, okay, right through there, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:37.560 and I run. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.520 He ran headlong into a fence in the dark, cut 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:41.280 up his forehead. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.400 I jump over the fence and they finally found a 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.519 place in another road that I could come out one. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.079 Blood was dripping down his face. He made it to 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.360 the road. He flagged down a car as soon as 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.440 he got in. The man who picked him up was concerned. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.880 My dad was embarrassed, scared and didn't know what to say. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.919 But the driver had a very important, very telling question. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.919 They said, you haven't worn up see Sally Chase for it. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:04.480 I said not, I'm talking about man. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.919 My dad denied it, but the guy persisted, you were 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.040 up season Sally Chase. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:10.640 Vers goes, damn man, that guy up. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.040 There's crazy. He shot to my buddies. At least and 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.560 he said, no, no, that's a joke, is what It was. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.160 A setup, a prank, one of these small town rituals 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.399 that had been going on for years. So the guy 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.400 gave my dad a ride into town where all his 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.520 friends were waiting for him, laughing and welcoming him to 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:33.919 the club of Sally Chase Survivors, which was always this 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.520 kind of funny story straight out of something like the 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.920 movie Porky's Some nineteen fifties Boys Will Be Boys romp. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.920 But when I consider this story now, this memory, I 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.000 have a hard time wrapping my head around what my 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.200 dad was thinking. He was going to sleep with some 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.520 random married woman in a farmhouse. Did he believe this 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.160 woman was so excited to cheat on her husband that 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.320 she just invited a group of teenage boys sight unseen 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.240 to her house. Was going to be some kind of orgy? 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.119 Were they going to take turns? Did he really think 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.720 this through? No, of course not. He just went along 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.840 with his friends, because when you're a teenager, you don't 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.360 think these things through. You're caught up in a moment 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.440 in your age, in your friend group. You're completely in 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.320 a bubble. Your hormones are going crazy, your priorities are 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.719 completely messed up. It's not that different from what my 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.200 friends and I were doing the night that Anna Trainer disappeared, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.560 just like my dad's story. When I think back and 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.719 I try and remember my worldview, it just doesn't make 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:39.760 any sense. We were out there for some kind of revenge, 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.480 and there was a sex and porn element that is 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.080 super fuzzy and makes me uncomfortable to even think about, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.360 let alone talk about into a microphone. It was just 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.520 like my dad, this adolescent misadventure that if you look 0:04:55.600 --> 0:05:00.680 back with any perspective, you can't help but question your motivations, 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:06.320 your intelligence, and even maybe your moral compass. The difference is, 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.440 of course, that for my dad it all worked out. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.680 His crazy Night in the Woods was a joke and 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.159 he was fine. They could laugh about it. They even 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.279 went on to play the same prank on my dad's 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.600 brother and other friends. But my Crazy Night in the 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.039 Woods ended with a fire that burned four houses and 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.239 one hundred acres, And after that night, Willow's sister Anna 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.120 was never seen again. I am actor and filmmaker writer 0:05:32.240 --> 0:06:29.400 Strong This is the Red Weather. Before she killed herself, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.320 my friend Willow had let me out of a promise 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.040 to keep a secret about the night her sister Anna disappeared. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.479 I'd gone back to my hometown to talk with reporters, police, family, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.599 and other people from our lives. My friend Chris joined me. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.080 He was also in on the promise, but I had 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.279 barely begun the process when Chris and I discovered that 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:54.080 our versions of this promise were pretty different. Why would 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.600 we be arrested because Willow accidentally started the fire? 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.560 Accidentally started a fire that that is not at all 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:00.000 would happen? 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:01.679 What are you talking about? 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.040 What are you talking? I'm talking with the pinkiesware. Turns 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.760 out Chris was with her, and she'd started the fire 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.360 intentionally to burn down a barn full of cannabis, which 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.920 back then we would have called pot or marijuana or 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:15.520 if you're my parents. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:20.400 Grass that's what you called it. So I still call it, yes, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:20.880 I don't. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.520 Know, Yeah, I feel like growing up, you guys always 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:30.000 called it grass or dope, called a magic plants, magic plants. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.440 Well, we just called it magic plants for you guys, 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:33.480 you little guys. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:33.800 You know. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.160 In any event, coming forward to the cops suddenly felt 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.720 like a bigger deal. I'd already scheduled to sit down 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.040 with Sheriff Maldonado, the lead investigator from Anna's case, I 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.280 was set to meet him at his house. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.280 Would you be willing to sit down with me? 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.160 Uh? 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:48.520 Sure, I can come to you. 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.400 It's just a couple of microphones and a recorder, you know. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.680 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds good. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.640 I'll try to find what notes I might have. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.640 Chris and I took the time to walk the woods 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.680 behind my parents' house where we were the knight that 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.120 Anna disappeared, yeh, finding out we had different versions of 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.640 that night. It seemed important to retrace our steps, all right. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.160 So the rat hole used to be Yeah, there see 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.360 the bones of it. Yeah, the rat hole was a 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.600 for it. My brother and I made, well, really, my 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.880 dad made it and we helped. I probably nailed a 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.760 couple of boards. But it was every kid's dream come true. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:25.880 Which was a two story building that had no windows 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.160 or doors, but the only way you get in was 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.240 through a trapdoor underneath. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.080 It took me a long time to knock it down. 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.680 When did your dad take it down? I actually don't know. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:35.760 I mean it was after we moved. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.840 Out, probably ten to fifteen years ago. I don't remember. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.080 Just in fact, the parts are still there. I never 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:41.439 took them away. I didn't what to do with it, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.360 because when they had the septic redone, they just took 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.439 all the old sheptic concrete threw it down there too. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.360 It was this crumbling molding mess. But when we were kids, 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.720 it was the best. We put a carpet inside, we 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.880 spray painted the walls, and it was where we set 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.320 the stage for our knight. Didn't consult us, just took 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.560 it down. It's like, what was our plan? It was 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.040 Halloween nineteen ninety five. I was with Chris, our friends Connor, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.920 Ryan and Willow. We were fifteen. We didn't have cars, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.200 didn't have good flashlights, we didn't have a clue, but 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.720 we had the rat hole, some rope, a fake dead body, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.679 and maybe the worst idea in the world. At the time, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.079 we thought we were doing the right thing, something noble. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.959 We were trying to save Anna's reputation. And the interesting 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.920 thing about that is I didn't even really know Anna 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.800 that well. I mean, I was intimidated by Anna. She 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.959 was older man, she was the coolest. When Chilo knew 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.040 her a little bit better. I think she just was 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.800 kind of lost at that time, and I. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:46.920 Regret looking back on it, my lack of understanding what 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.600 she was going through and. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.000 You were in love with her. We all had a 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.800 massive crush on Rose and I barely even talked to her. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.240 But whatever, I was anything with a pulse and boob Okay, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.760 fuck off, I wasn't in teen magazines and on television. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.640 At fall. Anna was going through a rough time. Likes. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.960 She and Willow grew up in the Tender Hearts, the 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.599 collective through the woods from Me, so they were homeschooled 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.560 up until high school, and then she wanted to go 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.120 to the same high school as everyone in Sebastopol, the 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:26.160 public school. Anily, she went from being a commune kid 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.880 out in the sticks to suddenly having this much more regular, 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.680 all American high school experience, and by all accounts, it 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:34.440 didn't go well. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:41.360 You know, I think she at that time was going 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:42.920 through a lot of stuff that. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:44.920 I don't think we could really relate. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.880 To or understand. You know, my brother tried to go 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.120 to Annilie's freshman year. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.559 He only lasted two weeks after coming off of being homeschooled. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:53.640 Yeah, walking into. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.320 That was yeah awful. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.880 Yeah, God, I don't know. I still have nightmares about it. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.319 This was a girl who never set foot in the classroom. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.760 She'd never done a book report, let alone dealt with 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.480 the kind of social pressure of a typical American high school. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.360 You have to remember this was the nineteen nineties. No 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.000 one wanted to actually be weird, to actually be different. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.400 If you didn't shop at Hot Topic, listen to Tupac 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.240 and Nirvana, you probably weren't going to be popular. And 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.880 I know there are a lot of hippie kids everywhere, 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.640 but that usually meant kids who smoked pot and listened 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.560 to the Grateful Dead. It did not mean kids who 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:35.079 would say, find roadkill, skin it and eat it. Ryan 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.240 remembers that I remember. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.200 Her actually bringing that to school and it being cooked, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:44.680 and like people trying it. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:45.640 I think I might have tried. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.559 A little bit of it. Actually, well yeah, she never. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.640 Tried something, but it was I thought it was either 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.720 possum or squirrel. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.320 Okay, okay, yeah. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.480 But Anna wanted a more normal life. She wanted to 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.240 be in town, so even though rough, she stuck it 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.040 out and things did get better for a time. She 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.720 made friends. For better or worse, she discovered drinking and drugs, 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.800 and by her junior year she had a boyfriend, Mick Bowden. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.280 He was the ultimate town kit. He got good grades, 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.920 had money, He had his own car and Acura Integra. 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.640 Look, my understanding was that Anna and Mick were a 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:23.760 little star crossed. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.880 This is Monica Tremblaine. She's the local reporter who covered 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.120 the case originally and was helping me connect the dots. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.800 Definitely, it was surprising that they dated it in the 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:33.400 first place. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:38.679 Huck, I'm hated me too, hated. Mick and Anna were 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.400 together for a year or so, and after they broke up, 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.920 Anna got a reputation she was well, now you say 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.600 sex positive, but that wasn't really a thing. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.320 Yeah, there was some she gave head to some guy 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.040 in the dark room or a couple guys in the dark. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.120 Room or something, and the fact that she had done 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:57.480 that was. 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:03.720 Enough of a story to tell to everybody, I guess. Yeah. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.959 Yeah. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:13.200 She had a reputation of being very sexually open, which 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.640 I remember was unjustified. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.319 Well, I mean, it just always annoyed me. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.800 Because it was only because she was a woman, and 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.640 that whole idea, the concept of somebody being a slut only. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:26.679 Applies to a woman. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.560 And eventually there was a tape Shiloh had actually seen. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.800 It was it a VHS No, I think it was on. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.120 It was like one of those little tiny. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.920 D mini DV things. This is the infamous yurt party tape. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.840 And if you don't know what a yurt is, you've 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.560 clearly never been on an Iowasco retreat or been a 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.240 teenager in northern California. They're semi permanent tents. 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.199 It starts out and everybody's dancing. There's like music playing. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.920 She was there with a couple guys and it started 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.120 getting you know, more like sexy dancing. And I remember 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:08.080 like she had this like like one piece on, and 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.760 I remember what I can see in the video that 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.120 you know, he's trying to like take her shirt off. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:19.200 Like they started kissing and making out and grinding and yeah. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.320 And they were all making out in the bed together. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.400 It was like, yeah, the two guys and her. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.640 As you can imagine, like most small towns, if something 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.840 scandalous went down at a party, everyone knew about it. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.520 And somehow apparently Mick got a hold of this tape. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.200 What's he gonna do because there was no online couldn't download. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:40.760 Is he gonna make copies of the tape? 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:41.160 I guess? 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.720 Or just show people in them out a screening today? 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.440 This would be called revenge porn, but back then it 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.040 didn't have a name. It was just ruining Anna's life. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.080 And Willow wanted us to protect her sister. She wanted 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.280 us to help, so we got our little trip together. Okay, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:01.000 but this is where I remember ducking down from the headlights, right, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.880 and I had the Louisville Slugger. I had a baseball bat. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:05.480 Wait we had a bat? 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.400 Yeah, for pure defense. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.040 I know we had fireworks, but not a bat. Definitely, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.360 you were on the path. No, No, because I remember 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.440 me and Connor we were ducking down. Do you remember 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.560 there used to be like a huge fern right here. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.400 We were behind that. No, no, you were definitely on 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.520 the path. How much you want to bet? I don't 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:25.200 need to remember. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.440 Connor will back me up on this. I'm not because 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:29.600 you're scared you're gonna lose the bet. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.520 No, let's just bet on it. Okay, fine, Connor lives 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.040 in England now, he's a professor of sociology. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:36.160 No, Chris is right. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.040 Really, Yeah, you were dealing with rigging up the dummy 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.520 Bucky Bucky. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.760 Yes, that's right. Yeah. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.800 Our idea was to get Mick out to the woods 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.280 and distract him long enough to grab the yurt tape 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.960 from his car. But in order to do that, and 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.600 here's where fifteen year old logic takes over, we decided 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.560 to not only lure him out, but also to scare 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.880 the crap out of him. Because it was Halloween. My 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.040 family was really big into Halloween, so we threw parties 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.480 with Haunted Walks of the Woods, and we were the 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.640 family that did the Haunted House at our grade school. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.960 We used to make our own masks and creatures, and 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.200 we had a lot of props, including a fake dead 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.800 body we called Bucky. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:16.240 Yeah. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.240 But then we had it on a noose I think, 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.080 and then it was like, you know, you could swing 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.400 it down, so when people walked by, we would drop 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.880 it in front of them, right, and that would scare people. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.400 Is that body still up in the pony house? 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.200 I see, I just came across the gams. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.640 So we made our plan to get the your tape 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.080 exactly the way you would plan a haunted maze. Nick 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.640 ideally pulls up, gets out of the car, sees the 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.840 light on in the rat hole. Oh what's that? I 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.400 must go over towards there, walk down this path. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:49.840 How did we get it? 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.440 Even get him out here in the first place. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.680 WILLI set it up? Yeah, she told Mick to meet 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.640 him there. Well, do you remember what she told him? No, 0:16:58.040 --> 0:16:59.880 but I know we put hay bails. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.720 That was to divert Mick from the Tender Hearts driveway. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.760 We knew he'd dead end by the rat hole where 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.240 Willow was waiting, So she gets him in the rat 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.560 hole and she lights off. The eighties, sixties m sixties 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.600 were loud, completely illegal fireworks someone had procured from Chinatown. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.399 So we would go into Chinatown and we would stock 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.760 up on firecrackers with different sizes and power. It was 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.520 the sixties and the eights, and these were like the 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.479 big daddies, right, These are the ones that would make 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.080 a really big. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:35.520 Boom, basically cherry bombs, pop pop, douchebag Nick pieces pants. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.879 Okay, hopefully comes back down this path where you and 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.960 O'Ryan have bucket. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.600 Once Mick came back out of the rat hole, Oriyan 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.440 and I would drop Bucky, scaring the crap out of 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.639 him and buying more time for Connor and Chris to 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.639 rifle through his car and hopefully find the tape. The tape, 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:58.200 the YRT tape that was the play that was That's 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:09.800 not what happened. As much as our friend Connor helped 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.680 us remember some things, I wish we hadn't called him 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.920 because after we talked, Chris refused to meet Sheriff Maldonado 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:16.199 with me. 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.560 Do you know the actual like legal technicalities. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.000 I've looked up as much as I can. I asked 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.800 chat GPT. But you know, look, we didn't start the fire. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.440 Wait, so you're planning to sit down with the sheriff. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:34.840 He's a retired sheriff whatever, an officer of the law. Yeah, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.800 and tell him that you lied to him thirty years ago. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:38.440 Yeah. 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.200 I mean, I don't think we even committed a crime. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.320 I'm still going to talk to him. There's zero chance 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:45.960 that this isn't beyond the statute delimitration. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.760 That's what I'm man. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.560 Just come with me. We just tell him the truth. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:50.920 We've already made progress. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:51.520 Oh my gosh. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.320 The moldy old pager, the dog dug up and your 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:55.600 parents kept in a garage. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.920 It's something, It is something, but. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.920 I'm not going Chris was talking about a pager weed 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.600 found After we walk the property, Chris and I went 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.320 through some of the stuff in my parents' garage. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:06.520 I swear my. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.960 Parents have been throwing anything away for fifty years. 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.840 What is this creepy boxing, dirty children? 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:16.800 This is Cookie's collection. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.359 We had a golden Retriever named Cookie. She's somewhat of 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.000 a legend. According to family lore. The only thing that 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.200 Cookie ever did wrong was she would steal kids' shoes 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:26.960 and bury them. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.520 You guys could take your shoes off to go on 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.879 the trampoline and after having a lot of fun, coming 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.520 back and you don't have your shoes, or you're missing. 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.320 One, and many a kid went home without a shoe. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:42.000 I don't know how many years later you finally followed her. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.080 While there was still follows her. 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.199 She went all the way down in the meadow. I 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.960 had she dug up. 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.240 Old Jordan, British la gear. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:56.520 Is this the Patriot? 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.159 It was green? Of course it didn't turn on. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.439 Look is that yours? 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:01.800 No? 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.720 I never had a colored one pager of color colored Patriot? 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.440 Karen, So, I mean that could be anybody's. 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.720 I know, it's kind of crazy. Just find it a 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.240 pager when we know Anna had one out here. I 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.520 was so excited by the prospect of finding a clue 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.719 that I was making this random object fit the story, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.280 but regardless, it was a cool relic of the time. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.960 It's bigger than I remember them being. Wow, look at that. 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.439 I hadn't seen a pager in thirty years, let alone 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:38.320 held one. I told Chris he didn't have to come 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.520