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Previously on The Red Weather, in 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: a commune, and back then I lied to everybody. 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: An a trainer was at a party in downtown Sebasketball. 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: There are a lot of witnesses that said Anna she 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: had a fight with her boyfriend. 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: I was with Anna's sister Willow that night, but we 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: were actually in the woods. We were on the Tender Hearts. 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 3: Property, the most weed I've ever seen in my life, 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: and Willow burned it down to the ground intentional. 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: I'm not sure does that answer things or does that 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: does create more questions? 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 4: Right? 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of my whole with this podcast, 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: That's what I want to find out. My dad has 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: this story he tells from when he was a teenager. 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: One night, his friends told him to get in the car. 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 5: Friends of mine that I grew up with. 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 6: Said, hey, we have a girl that's living away from 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 6: here who. 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 5: Is willing to take us on. 27 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 6: And said, oh, yeah, yeah, come on, let's go. And 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 6: I said, oh, well sure, you know, I jumped in 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 6: the car and there were three or four of us. 30 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: They were all going to see Sally Chase, an older 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: married woman who wanted to party with him while her 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: husband was out of town. They parked the car and 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: walked through the woods to go to a farmhouse. 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 6: It was raining, started raining real light. 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 5: But this house is up on the top of the hill. 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: And side note, even though this really happened, this story 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: in my imagination is animated. Specifically, it looks like the 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: cover of a Hardy Boys novel or any old timey 39 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: book or movie poster with a haunted house or a 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: spooky farmhouse. Anyway, when my dad and his past and 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: they definitely called each other pal got close to Sally 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: Chase's porch, gunshots rang out. 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 6: You're just one of light and window, and all of 44 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 6: a sudden, this guy yells out, oh. 45 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 5: Did you should it bit you to come around her? 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: In my wife boom boom. Sally's husband was there yelling 47 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: and brandishing a shotgun, so one of my dad's friends 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: falls to the ground, screaming in pain. The shots kept coming, 49 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: and understandably, my dad panicked. 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 6: And I turned and I ran as fast as I 51 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 6: could out of there, not thinking of anybody else but surviving. 52 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 6: As I'm running, I come up to his. 53 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 5: Field on ahead of me and said, okay, right through there, 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 5: and I run. 55 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: He ran headlong into a fence in the dark, cut 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: up his forehead. 57 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 6: I jump over the fence and they finally found a 58 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 6: place in another road that I could come out one. 59 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: Blood was dripping down his face. He made it to 60 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: the road. He flagged down a car as soon as 61 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: he got in. The man who picked him up was concerned. 62 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: My dad was embarrassed, scared and didn't know what to say. 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: But the driver had a very important, very telling question. 64 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 6: They said, you haven't worn up see Sally Chase for it. 65 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 6: I said not, I'm talking about man. 66 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: My dad denied it, but the guy persisted, you were 67 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: up season Sally Chase. 68 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 5: Vers goes, damn man, that guy up. 69 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 6: There's crazy. He shot to my buddies. At least and 70 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 6: he said, no, no, that's a joke, is what It was. 71 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: A setup, a prank, one of these small town rituals 72 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 1: that had been going on for years. So the guy 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: gave my dad a ride into town where all his 74 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: friends were waiting for him, laughing and welcoming him to 75 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: the club of Sally Chase Survivors, which was always this 76 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: kind of funny story straight out of something like the 77 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: movie Porky's Some nineteen fifties Boys Will Be Boys romp. 78 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: But when I consider this story now, this memory, I 79 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: have a hard time wrapping my head around what my 80 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: dad was thinking. He was going to sleep with some 81 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: random married woman in a farmhouse. Did he believe this 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: woman was so excited to cheat on her husband that 83 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: she just invited a group of teenage boys sight unseen 84 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: to her house. Was going to be some kind of orgy? 85 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: Were they going to take turns? Did he really think 86 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: this through? No, of course not. He just went along 87 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: with his friends, because when you're a teenager, you don't 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: think these things through. You're caught up in a moment 89 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: in your age, in your friend group. You're completely in 90 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: a bubble. Your hormones are going crazy, your priorities are 91 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: completely messed up. It's not that different from what my 92 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: friends and I were doing the night that Anna Trainer disappeared, 93 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: just like my dad's story. When I think back and 94 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: I try and remember my worldview, it just doesn't make 95 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: any sense. We were out there for some kind of revenge, 96 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: and there was a sex and porn element that is 97 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: super fuzzy and makes me uncomfortable to even think about, 98 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: let alone talk about into a microphone. It was just 99 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: like my dad, this adolescent misadventure that if you look 100 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: back with any perspective, you can't help but question your motivations, 101 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: your intelligence, and even maybe your moral compass. The difference is, 102 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: of course, that for my dad it all worked out. 103 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: His crazy Night in the Woods was a joke and 104 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: he was fine. They could laugh about it. They even 105 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: went on to play the same prank on my dad's 106 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: brother and other friends. But my Crazy Night in the 107 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: Woods ended with a fire that burned four houses and 108 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 1: one hundred acres, And after that night, Willow's sister Anna 109 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: was never seen again. I am actor and filmmaker writer 110 00:05:32,240 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: Strong This is the Red Weather. Before she killed herself, 111 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: my friend Willow had let me out of a promise 112 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: to keep a secret about the night her sister Anna disappeared. 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: I'd gone back to my hometown to talk with reporters, police, family, 114 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: and other people from our lives. My friend Chris joined me. 115 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: He was also in on the promise, but I had 116 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: barely begun the process when Chris and I discovered that 117 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: our versions of this promise were pretty different. Why would 118 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: we be arrested because Willow accidentally started the fire? 119 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: Accidentally started a fire that that is not at all 120 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: would happen? 121 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 4: What are you talking about? 122 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: What are you talking? I'm talking with the pinkiesware. Turns 123 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: out Chris was with her, and she'd started the fire 124 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: intentionally to burn down a barn full of cannabis, which 125 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: back then we would have called pot or marijuana or 126 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: if you're my parents. 127 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 5: Grass that's what you called it. So I still call it, yes, 128 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 5: I don't. 129 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I feel like growing up, you guys always 130 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: called it grass or dope, called a magic plants, magic plants. 131 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 7: Well, we just called it magic plants for you guys, 132 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 7: you little guys. 133 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 8: You know. 134 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: In any event, coming forward to the cops suddenly felt 135 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: like a bigger deal. I'd already scheduled to sit down 136 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: with Sheriff Maldonado, the lead investigator from Anna's case, I 137 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: was set to meet him at his house. 138 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: Would you be willing to sit down with me? 139 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 9: Uh? 140 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: Sure, I can come to you. 141 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: It's just a couple of microphones and a recorder, you know. 142 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds good. 143 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 5: I'll try to find what notes I might have. 144 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Chris and I took the time to walk the woods 145 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: behind my parents' house where we were the knight that 146 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Anna disappeared, yeh, finding out we had different versions of 147 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: that night. It seemed important to retrace our steps, all right. 148 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: So the rat hole used to be Yeah, there see 149 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: the bones of it. Yeah, the rat hole was a 150 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: for it. My brother and I made, well, really, my 151 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: dad made it and we helped. I probably nailed a 152 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: couple of boards. But it was every kid's dream come true. 153 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 11: Which was a two story building that had no windows 154 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 11: or doors, but the only way you get in was 155 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 11: through a trapdoor underneath. 156 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: It took me a long time to knock it down. 157 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: When did your dad take it down? I actually don't know. 158 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean it was after we moved. 159 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 6: Out, probably ten to fifteen years ago. I don't remember. 160 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 6: Just in fact, the parts are still there. I never 161 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 6: took them away. I didn't what to do with it, 162 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 6: because when they had the septic redone, they just took 163 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 6: all the old sheptic concrete threw it down there too. 164 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: It was this crumbling molding mess. But when we were kids, 165 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: it was the best. We put a carpet inside, we 166 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: spray painted the walls, and it was where we set 167 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: the stage for our knight. Didn't consult us, just took 168 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: it down. It's like, what was our plan? It was 169 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: Halloween nineteen ninety five. I was with Chris, our friends Connor, 170 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Ryan and Willow. We were fifteen. We didn't have cars, 171 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: didn't have good flashlights, we didn't have a clue, but 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: we had the rat hole, some rope, a fake dead body, 173 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: and maybe the worst idea in the world. At the time, 174 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: we thought we were doing the right thing, something noble. 175 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: We were trying to save Anna's reputation. And the interesting 176 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: thing about that is I didn't even really know Anna 177 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: that well. I mean, I was intimidated by Anna. She 178 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: was older man, she was the coolest. When Chilo knew 179 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: her a little bit better. I think she just was 180 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: kind of lost at that time, and I. 181 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 11: Regret looking back on it, my lack of understanding what 182 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 11: she was going through and. 183 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: You were in love with her. We all had a 184 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: massive crush on Rose and I barely even talked to her. 185 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: But whatever, I was anything with a pulse and boob Okay, 186 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: fuck off, I wasn't in teen magazines and on television. 187 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: At fall. Anna was going through a rough time. Likes. 188 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: She and Willow grew up in the Tender Hearts, the 189 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: collective through the woods from Me, so they were homeschooled 190 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: up until high school, and then she wanted to go 191 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: to the same high school as everyone in Sebastopol, the 192 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: public school. Anily, she went from being a commune kid 193 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: out in the sticks to suddenly having this much more regular, 194 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: all American high school experience, and by all accounts, it 195 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: didn't go well. 196 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 11: You know, I think she at that time was going 197 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 11: through a lot of stuff that. 198 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 5: I don't think we could really relate. 199 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: To or understand. You know, my brother tried to go 200 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: to Annilie's freshman year. 201 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 11: He only lasted two weeks after coming off of being homeschooled. 202 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, walking into. 203 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 11: That was yeah awful. 204 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, God, I don't know. I still have nightmares about it. 205 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: This was a girl who never set foot in the classroom. 206 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: She'd never done a book report, let alone dealt with 207 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: the kind of social pressure of a typical American high school. 208 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: You have to remember this was the nineteen nineties. No 209 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: one wanted to actually be weird, to actually be different. 210 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: If you didn't shop at Hot Topic, listen to Tupac 211 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: and Nirvana, you probably weren't going to be popular. And 212 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of hippie kids everywhere, 213 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: but that usually meant kids who smoked pot and listened 214 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: to the Grateful Dead. It did not mean kids who 215 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: would say, find roadkill, skin it and eat it. Ryan 216 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: remembers that I remember. 217 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 12: Her actually bringing that to school and it being cooked, 218 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 12: and like people trying it. 219 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 4: I think I might have tried. 220 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 9: A little bit of it. Actually, well yeah, she never. 221 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Tried something, but it was I thought it was either 222 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: possum or squirrel. 223 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 9: Okay, okay, yeah. 224 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: But Anna wanted a more normal life. She wanted to 225 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: be in town, so even though rough, she stuck it 226 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: out and things did get better for a time. She 227 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: made friends. For better or worse, she discovered drinking and drugs, 228 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: and by her junior year she had a boyfriend, Mick Bowden. 229 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: He was the ultimate town kit. He got good grades, 230 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: had money, He had his own car and Acura Integra. 231 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: Look, my understanding was that Anna and Mick were a 232 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: little star crossed. 233 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: This is Monica Tremblaine. She's the local reporter who covered 234 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: the case originally and was helping me connect the dots. 235 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: Definitely, it was surprising that they dated it in the 236 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: first place. 237 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: Huck, I'm hated me too, hated. Mick and Anna were 238 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: together for a year or so, and after they broke up, 239 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: Anna got a reputation she was well, now you say 240 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: sex positive, but that wasn't really a thing. 241 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 13: Yeah, there was some she gave head to some guy 242 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 13: in the dark room or a couple guys in the dark. 243 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Room or something, and the fact that she had done 244 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: that was. 245 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 5: Enough of a story to tell to everybody, I guess. Yeah. 246 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 9: Yeah. 247 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 11: She had a reputation of being very sexually open, which 248 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 11: I remember was unjustified. 249 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it just always annoyed me. 250 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 11: Because it was only because she was a woman, and 251 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 11: that whole idea, the concept of somebody being a slut only. 252 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 5: Applies to a woman. 253 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: And eventually there was a tape Shiloh had actually seen. 254 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 5: It was it a VHS No, I think it was on. 255 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 5: It was like one of those little tiny. 256 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: D mini DV things. This is the infamous yurt party tape. 257 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: And if you don't know what a yurt is, you've 258 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: clearly never been on an Iowasco retreat or been a 259 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: teenager in northern California. They're semi permanent tents. 260 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 13: It starts out and everybody's dancing. There's like music playing. 261 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 13: She was there with a couple guys and it started 262 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 13: getting you know, more like sexy dancing. And I remember 263 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 13: like she had this like like one piece on, and 264 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 13: I remember what I can see in the video that 265 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 13: you know, he's trying to like take her shirt off. 266 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 13: Like they started kissing and making out and grinding and yeah. 267 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 11: And they were all making out in the bed together. 268 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 11: It was like, yeah, the two guys and her. 269 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: As you can imagine, like most small towns, if something 270 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: scandalous went down at a party, everyone knew about it. 271 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: And somehow apparently Mick got a hold of this tape. 272 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: What's he gonna do because there was no online couldn't download. 273 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: Is he gonna make copies of the tape? 274 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 4: I guess? 275 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: Or just show people in them out a screening today? 276 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: This would be called revenge porn, but back then it 277 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: didn't have a name. It was just ruining Anna's life. 278 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: And Willow wanted us to protect her sister. She wanted 279 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: us to help, so we got our little trip together. Okay, 280 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: but this is where I remember ducking down from the headlights, right, 281 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: and I had the Louisville Slugger. I had a baseball bat. 282 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: Wait we had a bat? 283 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, for pure defense. 284 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: I know we had fireworks, but not a bat. Definitely, 285 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: you were on the path. No, No, because I remember 286 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: me and Connor we were ducking down. Do you remember 287 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: there used to be like a huge fern right here. 288 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: We were behind that. No, no, you were definitely on 289 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: the path. How much you want to bet? I don't 290 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: need to remember. 291 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: Connor will back me up on this. I'm not because 292 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: you're scared you're gonna lose the bet. 293 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: No, let's just bet on it. Okay, fine, Connor lives 294 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: in England now, he's a professor of sociology. 295 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 9: No, Chris is right. 296 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 14: Really, Yeah, you were dealing with rigging up the dummy 297 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 14: Bucky Bucky. 298 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 9: Yes, that's right. Yeah. 299 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Our idea was to get Mick out to the woods 300 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: and distract him long enough to grab the yurt tape 301 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: from his car. But in order to do that, and 302 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: here's where fifteen year old logic takes over, we decided 303 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: to not only lure him out, but also to scare 304 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: the crap out of him. Because it was Halloween. My 305 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: family was really big into Halloween, so we threw parties 306 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: with Haunted Walks of the Woods, and we were the 307 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: family that did the Haunted House at our grade school. 308 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: We used to make our own masks and creatures, and 309 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: we had a lot of props, including a fake dead 310 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: body we called Bucky. 311 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 312 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 11: But then we had it on a noose I think, 313 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 11: and then it was like, you know, you could swing 314 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 11: it down, so when people walked by, we would drop 315 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 11: it in front of them, right, and that would scare people. 316 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: Is that body still up in the pony house? 317 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 5: I see, I just came across the gams. 318 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: So we made our plan to get the your tape 319 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: exactly the way you would plan a haunted maze. Nick 320 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: ideally pulls up, gets out of the car, sees the 321 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: light on in the rat hole. Oh what's that? I 322 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: must go over towards there, walk down this path. 323 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: How did we get it? 324 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: Even get him out here in the first place. 325 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 14: WILLI set it up? Yeah, she told Mick to meet 326 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 14: him there. Well, do you remember what she told him? No, 327 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 14: but I know we put hay bails. 328 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: That was to divert Mick from the Tender Hearts driveway. 329 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: We knew he'd dead end by the rat hole where 330 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: Willow was waiting, So she gets him in the rat 331 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: hole and she lights off. The eighties, sixties m sixties 332 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: were loud, completely illegal fireworks someone had procured from Chinatown. 333 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 14: So we would go into Chinatown and we would stock 334 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 14: up on firecrackers with different sizes and power. It was 335 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 14: the sixties and the eights, and these were like the 336 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 14: big daddies, right, These are the ones that would make 337 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 14: a really big. 338 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Boom, basically cherry bombs, pop pop, douchebag Nick pieces pants. 339 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: Okay, hopefully comes back down this path where you and 340 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: O'Ryan have bucket. 341 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: Once Mick came back out of the rat hole, Oriyan 342 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: and I would drop Bucky, scaring the crap out of 343 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: him and buying more time for Connor and Chris to 344 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: rifle through his car and hopefully find the tape. The tape, 345 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: the YRT tape that was the play that was That's 346 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: not what happened. As much as our friend Connor helped 347 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: us remember some things, I wish we hadn't called him 348 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: because after we talked, Chris refused to meet Sheriff Maldonado 349 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: with me. 350 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 9: Do you know the actual like legal technicalities. 351 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: I've looked up as much as I can. I asked 352 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: chat GPT. But you know, look, we didn't start the fire. 353 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 14: Wait, so you're planning to sit down with the sheriff. 354 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 14: He's a retired sheriff whatever, an officer of the law. Yeah, 355 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 14: and tell him that you lied to him thirty years ago. 356 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 9: Yeah. 357 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we even committed a crime. 358 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm still going to talk to him. There's zero chance 359 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: that this isn't beyond the statute delimitration. 360 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 9: That's what I'm man. 361 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: Just come with me. We just tell him the truth. 362 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: We've already made progress. 363 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 364 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: The moldy old pager, the dog dug up and your 365 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: parents kept in a garage. 366 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 5: It's something, It is something, but. 367 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going Chris was talking about a pager weed 368 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: found After we walk the property, Chris and I went 369 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: through some of the stuff in my parents' garage. 370 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 4: I swear my. 371 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 8: Parents have been throwing anything away for fifty years. 372 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: What is this creepy boxing, dirty children? 373 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 5: This is Cookie's collection. 374 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: We had a golden Retriever named Cookie. She's somewhat of 375 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: a legend. According to family lore. The only thing that 376 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Cookie ever did wrong was she would steal kids' shoes 377 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: and bury them. 378 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 7: You guys could take your shoes off to go on 379 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 7: the trampoline and after having a lot of fun, coming 380 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 7: back and you don't have your shoes, or you're missing. 381 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: One, and many a kid went home without a shoe. 382 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 7: I don't know how many years later you finally followed her. 383 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 5: While there was still follows her. 384 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: She went all the way down in the meadow. I 385 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: had she dug up. 386 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: Old Jordan, British la gear. 387 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: Is this the Patriot? 388 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: It was green? Of course it didn't turn on. 389 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 5: Look is that yours? 390 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: No? 391 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: I never had a colored one pager of color colored Patriot? 392 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 9: Karen, So, I mean that could be anybody's. 393 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of crazy. Just find it a 394 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: pager when we know Anna had one out here. I 395 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: was so excited by the prospect of finding a clue 396 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: that I was making this random object fit the story, 397 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: but regardless, it was a cool relic of the time. 398 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 5: It's bigger than I remember them being. Wow, look at that. 399 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen a pager in thirty years, let alone 400 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: held one. I told Chris he didn't have to come 401 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: with me, and that I wouldn't say his name. Hi, 402 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: Sheriff Maldonado. 403 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, come on it. Hi. 404 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: He lives in Katti about thirty five minutes away. 405 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 4: Is it? 406 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: Is it Sheriff Still? 407 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 15: I don't know if it was one of those those 408 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 15: titles like president or yeah, it's Sheriff's. 409 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Maldonado's in his seventies, but he looks younger. We took 410 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: a seat at his dining room table while his two cats, 411 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: both of them long haired and silver, roamed around us. 412 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: I felt like I had a lot to film in 413 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: on who I was, what I was doing, why, But 414 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: then I also had some more basic questions, do you 415 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: remember me at all? 416 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: Kind of just remembered your kids in general. You know, 417 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 5: we knew one of you was an actor. You're part 418 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 5: of the younger. 419 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 10: Crowd, I think the sister right, yeah, Willow. And there 420 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 10: was something because it was Halloween. 421 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: It was a scarecrow yeah, we had this dead. 422 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, exactly, that was us. 423 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: I actually can't remember what I told the Sheriff's department 424 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety five, and I wasn't sure what 425 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: Mick told him at the time. 426 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 10: A few younger guys all that seemed like what high Town, 427 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 10: My old partner, Fred. 428 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 5: High Tower, I'd call Tom Shannigans. 429 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: What's that like Shenanigans. 430 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, but Fred, he wasn't. He was. 431 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 9: It was. 432 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 10: It's not a stutter, it's a he mixed the words up. 433 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 10: He blend him together, you know, like pursuitable. He said 434 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 10: once suspectful. 435 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 5: Was a classic. 436 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 10: Red was trying for Tomfoolery and Shenanigan's. 437 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 5: But you know, just never came out right. 438 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 10: A lot of our job in a situation like this 439 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 10: with juveniles, a lot of the job is pulling out 440 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 10: the kid's stuff. 441 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: It didn't feel like that to us at the time. 442 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: It felt like life or death. 443 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 9: I remember hearing screams from the car. 444 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: We never considered that Mick might have a friend with him, 445 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: So when his accurate pulled in, Travis Washman was with him, 446 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: and while Mick did get out and walked to the 447 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: rat hole, Travis waited in the car. 448 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 9: And then Chris ran at him. He was trying to 449 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 9: get him out. 450 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: Oh the dude, kill me, nick. I remember actually being 451 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: really scared, thinking these older guys were gonna beat us 452 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: up or kill us if they got us. Pure chaos 453 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: and mayhem. I was with O'Ryan and someone was dressed 454 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: as a mine. Ryan and me, we were both mines. 455 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: Part of the confusion was the costume factor. Before we 456 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: enacted this whole plan, we'd gotten dressed up in costume 457 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: and walked around downtown Sebastopol. Connor's costume was an easy joke. 458 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 9: He said he was going to be the scariest thing 459 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 9: in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what was it? A lawyer? 460 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 9: That's right. So he just he just wore like a 461 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 9: suit and die, right right right. 462 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: Ryan and I cobbled together some makeup and hair gel 463 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: that my parents had. We had white faces and mohawks. 464 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: We called ourselves psycho mimes, and you were like, what 465 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: the Phantom of the Opera, Phantom. 466 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: Of the Coffee Chapera had. 467 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: I had a Starbucks barised that green apron, and then 468 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: I had a phantom mask. 469 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: I feel you're judging eyes, Yeah, I'm not quite getting 470 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: Starbucks was a new exciting thing. It was the go 471 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: go nineties. 472 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 3: We all had more hair and it was fine. 473 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: Willa wore the same thing she always did, a pair 474 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: of fairy wings, right, because she was a nymph, no, 475 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: a dryad. Is there a difference. 476 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're tree spirits like a or river spirits. 477 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: That is next level. 478 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 4: Whatever she had made. 479 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Regardless, Willow was a flying pixie thing with wings. And yes, 480 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm aware that the one girl and our group of friends, 481 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: the muse of this podcast with a fantasy sounding name, 482 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: was quite literally dressed as a manic pixie dream girl. 483 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 4: But it's the truth. 484 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 3: She wore wings even later in life. 485 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: And it was like her go to so in costume. 486 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: In the dark, we were scattered, separated in the woods, 487 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: no light. Travis and Mick looking for us. 488 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: Willow and I ended up in that barn at the 489 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 3: Tender Hearts property. 490 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: When I talked to Maldonatto, I relayed Chris's story as 491 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: if it was my own. 492 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: There was weed in the bar. 493 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 3: I mean, this wasn't just a shit, my friend. 494 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: This was a barn, right, so you're done with weed? 495 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: And it was hanging. 496 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, they were drying it out. Oh yeah, I guess yeah. 497 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: So Willow like gets to her feet and she's like 498 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 3: freaking out, but she's not crying. She's syperventilating. She's breathing 499 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: in and out, trying to almost catch her breath, like 500 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 3: she was having a panic attack or something it was. 501 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: And she started gathering hay into a pile, and I'm like. 502 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 10: Willa, Willo, woo woo, Willow, Willow, Willow, what. 503 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: Are you doing. We wouldn't stop. 504 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: Calmed down, calm down, Let's get out of here. And 505 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: she pulls out her lighter that we had for the fireworks. 506 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 5: Swoosh. 507 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 3: Immediately the thing goes up, and then seconds later all 508 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 3: of the weed is up in flames, and we get 509 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: them get the hell out of there, because we're lucky 510 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: to not burn to death. 511 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: But we never told you, any of you any of 512 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: that we at the time, we just said that we 513 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: were at my friend's house and we watched the shining 514 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: and we went to bed. So I'm hoping that some 515 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: of this, any of this might be helpful, you know, 516 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: at least if I'm coming forward, at least then you'll 517 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: know you'll have part of the truth. 518 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 5: Are you expecting applause. 519 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm I'm just trying to. 520 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 10: Because I'm not sure what you I'm not sure what 521 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 10: you want to do here. If this is about you 522 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 10: getting something off your chest, I don't know, honoring your 523 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 10: dead girlfriend. If you really want to get into this, 524 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 10: if you want to really get into this thing, then 525 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 10: you got to do it right. 526 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: Got to call Lachlan Grace. Lachlan is the current Sonoma 527 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: County sheriff. 528 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 10: Get her on board, you get her to sign off, 529 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 10: then we're really talking here. 530 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: Admitting I lie to the current sheriff felt like a 531 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: bigger risk. 532 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 10: I spent over a year on and a trainer, interviews, photos, 533 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 10: we had clothing, her mom had letters, books, and you 534 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 10: don't want to see all that, all of it. If 535 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 10: you want to move past, you want to get beyond 536 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 10: the Tom Shannigans and let's go. 537 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 5: But you've got to talk to Lucky. 538 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I guess, I'm I guess My question is 539 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: could I be charged with the client. 540 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 5: You gotta talk to Luckily? 541 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 4: Well? 542 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 9: Did you even know about the your tape? 543 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: After I talked to Maldonado, I called Monica to catch up. 544 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 9: No, I mean I knew there were rumors about Anna. 545 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 9: I knew about a mixtape, a mixtape, a haunted tape. 546 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: This was over at Annaly and there was this mixtape 547 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: with songs. But then the story was it was a 548 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 2: ghost tape and her voice by her voice beyond the grave. 549 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: I never heard about that, all right, But let's just 550 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: for a second, if Mick did have video, if he 551 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: was trying to blackmail Anna. 552 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 9: Or wait, writer, do you want it to be here? 553 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: No? 554 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 9: Okay, they looked at Mick. 555 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 2: He had somebody with them every step of the way 556 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: the party, driving Travis home, he was looking for Anna, 557 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: but he dropped Travis off at his house. He got 558 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: the patremna, he drove try to pick her up from 559 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: Jennifer Street payphone, and she never showed. 560 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 4: And the fire started. 561 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: Do you do you think, like I really really think 562 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: that Mick couldn't kill there. 563 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 15: It's stretch, I guess, but like, isn't it a stretch 564 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 15: to think. 565 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 3: Anyone could kill anyone? 566 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: Monica asked me if I wanted it to be Mick, 567 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: and I realized I kind of do, oh me, Jill. 568 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: Even if Mick managed to meet up with Anna then 569 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: murder her in twenty minutes, couldn't have getten rid of 570 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: the body and driven her car all the way to SFO. 571 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 9: Not without help, right, not without help. And we know 572 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 9: he was with the rest of the night. 573 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: Out of respect for privacy and legal reasons, we've had 574 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: to edit one of the names that came up in 575 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: some interviews. 576 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: Really, look, the only time that it didn't make sense 577 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: was the time that he was with us, So in anything, 578 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: you just helped to clear his name. 579 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: I never heard make drive away, So I stayed alone 580 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: in the woods for a while, I mean maybe an hour, 581 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: it felt like forever, and finally I heard Oryan calling 582 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: out and we found each other. And then we found Willow. 583 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 4: On the road. 584 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 9: How did you get to kind of Drakes? We walked 585 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 9: that's like four. 586 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, four miles maybe maybe even five. 587 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, And Chris and I were on the road too. 588 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: Oh really, you guys. 589 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: I thought you guys were still in the woods. 590 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: No, we met back up with you guys, walked back 591 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: and we. 592 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: Watched the sunrise and Connors we did. Yeah, we heard 593 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: science and we hid in the bushes whenever a car 594 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: went by. We knew there might still be a fire going, 595 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: but we had no idea how big it was. 596 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 14: I do remember that that's where we stopped and watched 597 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 14: the sunrise come up, and we were just I just 598 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 14: the we were so emotionally charged. 599 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 9: It was like we were doing amphetamines. 600 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 14: We basically had that level of sort of insane energy. 601 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 9: And then there was just this pause on the side 602 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 9: of the road after an intense night like that. 603 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 12: It's just kind of like, you know, I'll sing this 604 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 12: song and it kind of like lightens the mood a 605 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 12: little bit, you know, Revity. 606 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, A cool part about being friends with Oryan is 607 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: that whenever we hike and we've gone on backpacking trips 608 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: together since we were ten years old. 609 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 9: He sings, Yeah. 610 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 12: Challa Days was a rare Counting Crows song off of 611 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 12: a demo tape. 612 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: I think it also like because it was like this 613 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: deep cut, you know, it was like it wasn't oh yeah, 614 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: it was initially released, so it felt like sort of 615 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: a secret that only we knew, you know, Like it 616 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: was like it was kind of like this our song. 617 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 9: And then it's also I guess about a small town 618 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 9: in the. 619 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: Vein of like round here, and a lot of this 620 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: where is about like a girl in a small town 621 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: and it feels like it. 622 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 9: Could be about Sebastopol. It does, right, Yeah, totally all right? 623 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 9: Could you sing it the whole thing? 624 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? 625 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 9: For the podcast? Yeah, like you're gonna put this on iHeartRadio. 626 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 9: Oh my god, that's gould be good. It just has 627 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 9: to be you. 628 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 8: Mary Jane says, it's all right. She's just around the 629 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 8: corner from the main line and any Dane Now, it's 630 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 8: all Rightey standing on the precipice of big. 631 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: Time not Willow didn't talk almost the whole time until 632 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: she stopped and made us all promise to stick to 633 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: the same story. It was cold, I remember shivering, and 634 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: the sun took forever to come on. 635 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 5: But it was beautiful for. 636 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: All the insanity of that night. It's it's weirdly a positive. 637 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 5: Memory, falling falling down. 638 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 9: This is Lachlan. 639 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi, Sheriff Lachlin. This is right or strong. 640 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: I got in touch with Grace Lachlin. You know, since 641 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: my goal is to like document this entire process from 642 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: start to finish. 643 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 4: I I'm actually. 644 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: Recording this call right now, which I hope is okay, 645 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to stop if you no, no, no, no, 646 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: you know what I want you? 647 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 9: I want you to record it. 648 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 16: I want actually, I want you to be sure to 649 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 16: include this in your podcast. 650 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay. 651 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 16: The Trainer case was wobble for my time, but you know, 652 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 16: I looked into it, spoke with Sheriff Maldonado, and he 653 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 16: let me know that you had information right, right right. 654 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: And now you're coming into this. 655 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 16: With microphones and a whole news story like some night 656 00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 16: on a horse. 657 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 4: Oh no, I don't think I'm going to. Actually I'm 658 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 4: just trying to. 659 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 16: But the thing is, you are on record you made 660 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 16: false statements. That's documented in nineteen ninety five. That's obstruction 661 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 16: of justice. I can warrant charges. I'm lucky for you, 662 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 16: frankly lucky for me because I don't want the hassle. 663 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 16: It's wall past the statute of limitations. 664 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, I mean okay. 665 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 16: And most importantly this is there's what we call good 666 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 16: faith in mitigation. So you come clean, now, you come forward, 667 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 16: no bullshit, no lying, and you want to help that 668 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 16: goes along way. So if you want, I can. Oh, 669 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 16: I'll take a look see what I can pull from 670 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 16: this file. Is there something you want in particular? 671 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 5: All of it? 672 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: Of course, that was my real answer. I wanted to 673 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: see all the evidence, but I knew I should be specific, 674 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: precise if I was ever going to get the Sheriff's 675 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: department on my side, I had to start slow. Maldonado 676 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: and Monica changed perspective. 677 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 5: Wheat isn't news. 678 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 10: Even with a fire that big, we could we could 679 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 10: smell it. But knowing it was the sister. When I 680 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 10: hear that, now, all I can think about is that 681 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 10: she was protecting her Maybe she was protecting her parents 682 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 10: or whatever you want to call them. When she keeps 683 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 10: that a secret, she's protecting her mom, And no, I 684 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 10: think I mean, I think. 685 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: She was protecting us or protecting herself. Well for notting 686 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of wheat on fire. 687 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 5: What's worse. 688 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 10: Your sister has gone missing, and you're a fifteen year 689 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 10: old kid who get a barn on fire. 690 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 5: You're worried about that. 691 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 10: Now you're worried about your mom, who's been out here 692 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 10: in the woods worshiping trees, singing the demons and dancing 693 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 10: in the circles. 694 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that's what they were doing. 695 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 5: You know what I mean? We knew they weren't on 696 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 5: Kum Bay. 697 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 15: Butterflies out there Wow, we went back for years, but 698 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 15: they had an alibi. 699 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean they were for that night. 700 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 4: They were at the seance. 701 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 5: That's what we thought too at first. 702 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, god, I'd love to Maldonado said that there were 703 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: there are that There are transcripts in the file of 704 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: his interviews with el Rick Light and Mick Bowden. 705 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 9: Yeah all right, yeah, I'll take a look. See if easy. 706 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much, I really do it. 707 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: Nostalgia is such a trap. It's so powerful. It can 708 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: make your eyes well up just from holding a pager. 709 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: It can make songs from your teens sound better. The 710 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: more nostalgia draws you in, the more it just warps 711 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: your perception of reality. It can replace reality. Hey, how's 712 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: it going that night? I call my wife Alex back 713 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: in La. 714 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 7: Well, I'm definitely not very good at this kind of 715 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 7: annoying everybody, like you know, I'm just I'm so attached 716 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 7: to this thing, this. 717 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 9: Night for you. 718 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: When I went into this, I knew I needed to 719 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: stop thinking like a fifty But I also need to 720 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: stop thinking like a forty five year old high on nostalgia. 721 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 14: As my wife put it right, So you don't want 722 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 14: your mid life crisis to be a podcast. 723 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 4: No, exactly, exactly. 724 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: Not every little thing from back then has big important meaning. 725 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: Even if I have big important feelings, Sometimes kid stuff 726 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: is just kid stuff. I needed to come at this 727 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: as objectively as possible. I needed to cut off nostalgia, 728 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: let go of expectations, my ego, and try and learn 729 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: as much as I could, and for now that man, 730 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: ignoring my personal feelings for someone like Mick, even Willow, 731 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: and just listening to someone like Maldonado. 732 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 10: Yeah, it was only a few days before their TenderHearts 733 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 10: alibi Philip Art came crashing all the wind him. 734 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: What are you saying that they weren't at the sounds. 735 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 5: Well, not all of them. We got to get you 736 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 5: up to speed, man, We got to get you up speed. 737 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: If some are all all of the Tender Hearts had lied, 738 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: if their alibi had come crashing down. This was actually 739 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted to hear, because it meant that 740 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: staying with this project, staying with Anna's case, was finally 741 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: going to move beyond me, my Tom Shanigans, and my nostalgia. 742 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: It meant it was time to confront one of the 743 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: most intriguing and mysterious aspects of Anna and Willow's life. 744 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: It was time for me to look into the tender hearts. 745 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: The Red Weather is an iHeart podcast hosted by writer Straw, 746 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: sound engineering, editing and mixing by Bo Milkins, Produced by 747 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: Tess Bartholomey. 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