WEBVTT - No Whammies…Ever: Michael Larson

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>En Elizabeth, Are you yeah? I'm doing all right?

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<v Speaker 3>Listen here? Do you know what's ridiculous I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>Please share?

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<v Speaker 4>I found some word I think you may not know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I know you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Like what, I know a lot of words that's not

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<v Speaker 4>true at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Like here, I'll give you an example.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know the word at the end of your

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<v Speaker 4>shoelace is what that's called?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, We've talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>This before, dangle or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually told me.

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<v Speaker 4>This, so I know you know it at one point, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Or the way it smells after it rains is one

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<v Speaker 4>of my favorite words is petrocore. Yeah, these are just

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<v Speaker 4>like random words, right, But here's the one that I

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<v Speaker 4>think you may.

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<v Speaker 2>Know or who knows.

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<v Speaker 4>The armhole enclose where the sleeves are.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that call? What's that whole called? It's called the

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<v Speaker 2>arm sky, the arm sky.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like arms eye, but it's s okay, c y

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<v Speaker 4>e armsig armside Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And so then it's one of the ones where people

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<v Speaker 4>actually did it backwards. They thought it was like a

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<v Speaker 4>printing air. And that's why people call it armsky because

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<v Speaker 4>these letters got pushed together. It turns out no, we

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<v Speaker 4>had reversed it and said, oh, it's arms eye because

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<v Speaker 4>of it's armsky, and we just prefer that it makes

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<v Speaker 4>more sense to say arms eye. So for a while

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<v Speaker 4>older printers would say arms eye. Then they went back

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<v Speaker 4>to it's actually arms sky. Anyway, the whole of a shirt,

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<v Speaker 4>T shirt or whatever, it's called an arm sig. I

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<v Speaker 4>got one last one for you. Yeah, okay, I actually

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<v Speaker 4>use this one all the time. I thought i'd invented it,

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<v Speaker 4>but apparently I did not. They have a term for

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<v Speaker 4>it when you combine the question mark with an exclamation point.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what that's called?

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that something that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's on the tip of your tongue. I can see

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<v Speaker 4>it right there, just spin it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's right there, Elizabeth, there's the tarot bang you said

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<v Speaker 4>bang first? Then yeah, yeah, so there that is. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not ridiculous. We have all these little words, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I love those little hidden secret words that don't really

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<v Speaker 3>ever come out to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they do.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, and then you find it and then you know,

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<v Speaker 4>some of us often sound pedantic wreck Actually that's an

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<v Speaker 4>entro bag.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is just you and me right now? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that fun?

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<v Speaker 3>It's beautiful and it's ridiculous. Do you want to know

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<v Speaker 3>what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>I am horror for it.

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<v Speaker 3>No whammies ever. What this is a ridiculous crime A

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<v Speaker 3>podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's heists and cons. It's

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<v Speaker 3>always ninety nine percent murder free. And guess what, one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn right.

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<v Speaker 3>We were just talking about game shows the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>You and I we both love Jeopardy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, big time favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>That's about the only game show I like. Really, I

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<v Speaker 3>liked rock and Roll Jeopardy on V one.

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<v Speaker 2>Back all day.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a friend who won that really yeah, he indact,

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<v Speaker 4>he bought like a mini.

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper with the I killed.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'd have gone on there, I'd still be winning,

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Would still be on. He'd be that shows Ken.

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<v Speaker 3>Jennings, Yeah, I should have been on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have.

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<v Speaker 4>You really do kill it that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so good tell me this long.

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<v Speaker 3>Time about that era. We were talking the other day

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<v Speaker 3>about how his kids we knew people who were stoked

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<v Speaker 3>to stay home sick and watch game shows, and I

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<v Speaker 3>never really got into that.

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<v Speaker 4>My sister was a Price is Right girl. She was

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<v Speaker 4>really into that. So she said home. I had to

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<v Speaker 4>stay home because she was my younger sister. Mom's like,

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<v Speaker 4>you stay home too and take care of her. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, single mom rules, okay. So then yeah, she

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<v Speaker 4>love the prizes right well.

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<v Speaker 3>Like so, back in the eighties, there was a game

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<v Speaker 3>show called Press Your Luck.

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<v Speaker 2>She loved that one too.

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<v Speaker 3>It was contestants answered trivia questions in order to earn

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<v Speaker 3>spins on a game board, and like the board would

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<v Speaker 3>sort of randomly shuffle the spaces on itself, and the

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<v Speaker 3>spaces were for stuff like prizes or cash or extra spins,

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<v Speaker 3>or the space could have like a little scruffy cartoon

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<v Speaker 3>qtie gremlin thing called the Whammy. Yeah yeah, And if

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<v Speaker 3>you landed on the Whammy you lost everything. You'd one

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<v Speaker 3>up to that point, and the Whammy would do like

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<v Speaker 3>a little dancer skite. It was kind of like a

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<v Speaker 3>like a little cartoon devil meets Animal from the Muppets

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<v Speaker 3>meets Baby Babu frick.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah meets the Sandman from the Apollo Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, So Press your Luck. It was a CBS show

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<v Speaker 3>and it ran from nineteen eighty three to nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 3>The host was Peter Tamarkin.

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<v Speaker 2>Rod Roddy was the Great Voice Rody.

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<v Speaker 3>And Bill Carruthers was both the director and the voice

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<v Speaker 3>of the Whammy Oh. There were three contestants on each episode,

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<v Speaker 3>competing against each other, and the game had four rounds.

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<v Speaker 3>There were two question rounds and then two big board rounds,

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<v Speaker 3>so it would go like question, big board, Question, bigboard,

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<v Speaker 3>and the big board round. Contestants used all the spins

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<v Speaker 3>that they had gathered up to try and win cash

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<v Speaker 3>and prizes, and the game board it had eighteen spaces

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<v Speaker 3>laid out in like a rectangular loop six by five. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like this is like when someone's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>explain a border card game to me at a party

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm totally lost and I have to act like

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<v Speaker 3>I know what I'm doing, and I keep thinking like

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<v Speaker 3>this is why I don't leave the house, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to learn these things. I'm a slow learner. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>A light would flash randomly around the board, marking one

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<v Speaker 3>space at a time, and then the contestant in control

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<v Speaker 3>uses the spin by hitting their buzzard to freeze the

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<v Speaker 3>board and collect whatever's lit at that moment. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>remember if you hit the whammy, you lose everything totally. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>contestants would say no whammy's if you landed on the

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<v Speaker 3>whammy a total of four times, that was called whammying out. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you got the boot from the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude. My old roommates still love the show.

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<v Speaker 4>And he used to say, like in things, just in life, right,

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<v Speaker 4>like we were going up and we were waiting in

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<v Speaker 4>line and there's like two different lines. He's like, no way,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, mammy, like, we're going to get the shorter line.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's it all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's part of the culture. So I've established that. Now

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<v Speaker 3>we understand press your.

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<v Speaker 2>Luck total, We're all for the most part.

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<v Speaker 3>With that established, Let's talk about a guy, Michael Larson.

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<v Speaker 3>He was born in nineteen forty nine in Lebanon, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had three older brothers.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just like little classic baby boomer born in the

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<v Speaker 4>Middlewest brother troll Baby. He's got older brothers. This is

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<v Speaker 4>a big boomer energy.

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<v Speaker 3>They said that his first scam was in middle school

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<v Speaker 3>when he would buy candy bars and sell them to

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<v Speaker 3>other students at an inflated price. During pe class.

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<v Speaker 2>Sat capitalis it's not a.

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<v Speaker 3>Scam, that's capitalism. Like I'm like, okay, Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>after high school he elevated his scam game beyond snickers

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<v Speaker 3>the scam.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't really candy bars, Now that was a scam.

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<v Speaker 3>He had this thing going where he would open and

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<v Speaker 3>close bank accounts because at the time, some banks would

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<v Speaker 3>offer money for you customer new toe also, she could

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<v Speaker 3>get as much as like five hundred bucks for opening

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<v Speaker 3>the bank account. Those days are long gone. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but back then, Larson would open account, get the cash,

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<v Speaker 3>close the account, lather, rinse, repeat.

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<v Speaker 4>Well this is before they deregulated the banks and near

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<v Speaker 4>fighting over customers exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So one time he registered for another scam. He registered

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<v Speaker 3>a business under a family member's name so he could

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<v Speaker 3>then hire and fire himself and collect unemployment. Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that one.

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<v Speaker 3>His brother James said, quote, he didn't understand the value

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<v Speaker 3>of good, hard, honest work. He thought those people were fools.

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<v Speaker 4>There like suckers. He's like, he was very out of

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<v Speaker 4>step with everyone else in the Midwest. Yeah, we all thought,

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<v Speaker 4>what's wrong with this guy? He should go to la.

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<v Speaker 3>Between nineteen sixty nine and nineteen eighty two. Sure, he

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<v Speaker 3>got arrested three times for stuff like receiving and concealing

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<v Speaker 3>stolen goods. Okay, petty theft, larceny by trick. Three arrests

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<v Speaker 3>in thirteen years isn't bad by a ridiculous crime?

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<v Speaker 2>Stand pretty good. They're all small.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and like my personal standard is zero in thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a ball, you know, among these folks. So

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<v Speaker 3>that takes us up to nineteen eighty three. By this time, Larson,

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<v Speaker 3>he's been divorced twice. He has three kids with three

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<v Speaker 3>different women.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, no judgment.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, I'm not judging. I'm laughing at his commitment

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<v Speaker 4>to bad decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>Moving on, His main squeeze was his girlfriend Teresa dinwitty dim.

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<v Speaker 4>Witty with an end, And yeah, I thought it was

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<v Speaker 4>dim witty. I was like, that's just come on, family.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's how she described her man quote, he always thought

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<v Speaker 3>he was smarter than everyone else and had a constant

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<v Speaker 3>yearning for knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that like a dim witty to say that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean like he thinks he's smarter than anyone else,

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<v Speaker 3>but for knowledge. It's just like, yeah, what was he.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing for a living and what was he doing for knowledge?

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<v Speaker 3>He was an h back guy and he also drove

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<v Speaker 3>a mister Softy ice cream truck.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, mister Softie. I talked about them.

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<v Speaker 3>And in his free time he read magazines and news papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>The Other thing he did was stare at a wall

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<v Speaker 3>filled with twelve TVs? What looking for get rich quick schemes?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? Wait? What? Yeah? Wait?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this his own wall? Or he go to like

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<v Speaker 4>a TV salesman?

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<v Speaker 3>And this is what Dinwiddy said. Quote He had an

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<v Speaker 3>entire wall of twenty five inch televisions stacked one on

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<v Speaker 3>top of the other. What He watched them all at

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<v Speaker 3>once and it got so hot the paint peeled off

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<v Speaker 3>the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 4>You know I always saying I can't ever get enough information.

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<v Speaker 4>I want as much information as you have. I please

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<v Speaker 4>give me more than why always say that? He found

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<v Speaker 4>the line that I won't cross twenty five TVs stacked

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<v Speaker 4>and just sitting there going watching all.

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<v Speaker 3>The twelve TVs twenty five inch television in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>three was expensive, totally and hot. And how are you

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<v Speaker 3>plugging all?

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<v Speaker 2>These these are flat screens? These are just radiating.

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<v Speaker 4>One of them, he says, sitting in a hot box

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<v Speaker 4>with these screens like Elvis.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end, I feel like maybe it's not the

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<v Speaker 3>best way to come up with get rich Quick schemes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of power, it's also.

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<v Speaker 3>Incredibly creepy visually all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So but apparently it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the yeah, Well, so the get Rich Quicks games,

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<v Speaker 3>they started to zero in on game shows.

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<v Speaker 4>That's because that's what's on in the daytime, right, that's

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<v Speaker 4>all he's got, Like I'm a rob, a soap opera actor.

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<v Speaker 3>Or like Bob Ross. Anyway, So he watched a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of The Prices Right and Wheel of Fortune, and he

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<v Speaker 3>determined that those were unhackable. He wasn't going to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to beat those games. He couldn't outsmart him.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought someone hacked Planko. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>He just wasn't under the show.

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<v Speaker 3>He couldn't do it. In November of nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 3>he sees an episode of Press Your Luck.

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<v Speaker 2>For the first time, all right, and he's smitten.

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<v Speaker 3>Fired up the old VCR.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes whammy, Yes whammy.

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<v Speaker 3>He starts taping episodes to study the show. For six months,

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<v Speaker 3>he watched the show for eighteen hours a day. What

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<v Speaker 3>for six months eighteen hours a day.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting to the eighteen hours six months he did

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<v Speaker 4>this then now eighteen hours every one of those days,

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<v Speaker 4>the same show.

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<v Speaker 3>And over and over different episodes.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, but I'm saying the same, Like, he's not watching

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<v Speaker 4>Jeopardy and this show. He's just watching this pressure all

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<v Speaker 4>the time.

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<v Speaker 3>He came away with observations.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet he did.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet he came away with a religion.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first he figured out that the lights on the

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<v Speaker 3>board moved in five different predetermined patterns. They weren't random

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<v Speaker 3>like the show said they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the other thing he figured out was that

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<v Speaker 3>the whammy never appeared in squares four and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa never showed up there.

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<v Speaker 3>This was big intel and it was the key to

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<v Speaker 3>cracking the show. No Whammy's for real.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So months.

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<v Speaker 4>Went by, it hits four and eight right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. And he keeps watching episodes of Press Your Luck.

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<v Speaker 3>He memorizes the episodes. He like tested his reflectures to prepare.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you watch Jeopardy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, he's like pausing the tape to see if

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<v Speaker 3>when he pauses on the right thing. He practiced mirroring

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<v Speaker 3>the mannerisms of the contestants who did well, and they'd

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<v Speaker 3>say certain things and he like committed those to memory.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so like fake it till you.

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<v Speaker 3>Make it, I guess in May of nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 3>so just before Olympic fever began sweeping the Oh of.

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<v Speaker 4>Course, yes, before the world and learned if Mary lou

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<v Speaker 4>Retti what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was gonna say? Like he just like Mary Lourettin hopping

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<v Speaker 3>up onto the balance beam. Larsen made his move. Yeah, sassy.

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<v Speaker 3>So he didn't make a whole lot of money. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't make a lot of money, so he didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of cash lying around. So he took what

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<v Speaker 3>he had and he bought a ticket to fly from

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio to California to audition for pressure Luck. So he

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<v Speaker 3>takes everything he's got, heads out.

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<v Speaker 4>There, go to La where the Olympics will be occurring.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Lewis, I'm sure that the pricing was getting higher.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, take a lot of excitement. Did Cardi get a

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<v Speaker 4>hotel room?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally? He's like, you know what, I am a compelling

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<v Speaker 3>contestant character.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I'm perfect fest I'm good for TV.

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<v Speaker 3>He tells the producers that he's unemployed, and he tells

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<v Speaker 3>him that he rode the bus all the way out

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<v Speaker 3>to Hollywood a shot on his favorite show. He said

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<v Speaker 3>he was broke. He said he was so broke that

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<v Speaker 3>he couldn't even afford a birthday present for his daughter,

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<v Speaker 3>who just is about to turn six.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, you know, you heard that new song Jack

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<v Speaker 4>and Diane. I'm from their town.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a chili dog in his hand. He said

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<v Speaker 3>he was so broke that the dress shirt he was wearing,

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<v Speaker 3>he said he bought it at a thrift store down

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<v Speaker 3>the street for sixty five cents. Yeah, that's what he

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<v Speaker 3>tells him, and that the show would be a chance

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<v Speaker 3>for him to finally make something of himself.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my chance.

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<v Speaker 3>I only win while doing what he loved.

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<v Speaker 2>You held the key to my dream exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what I've always wanted. This show that's been

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<v Speaker 3>on for like six months. So the show's director, executive

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<v Speaker 3>producer and voice of the Whammy, Bill Carruthers, he likes,

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<v Speaker 3>he liked larcense, jim.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet good, dudetanding of all got charisma.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got that special something, this spark that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>resonate in the Madness Contestant coordinator Bob Edwards was not feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows people.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, He's like, I would not recommend Larsen. When

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<v Speaker 3>they said why, he said he couldn't put his finger

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<v Speaker 3>on it, but he knew that he was just no good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he could in the eye. There was that extra

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<v Speaker 4>watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>Carruthers overruled this decision. This is what This is what

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<v Speaker 3>Edwards said.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>We held daily auditions, one in the morning and one

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<v Speaker 3>in the afternoon, maybe fifty people in each session. Larson

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<v Speaker 3>walked up right off the street and told us he

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<v Speaker 3>was an ice cream man from Ohio. There was something

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<v Speaker 3>about him that I just didn't believe. I didn't trust him.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's like, I'm an unemployed ice cream man. Remember

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<v Speaker 3>how Larson spent all that time studying the tapes that

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<v Speaker 3>I forget. In his audition, he repeated the phrases he

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<v Speaker 3>heard most often from contestants, and he even some of

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<v Speaker 3>their facial expressions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's super odd. And do you think they remember it well?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that he's thinking like this was successful in

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<v Speaker 3>the past and they're not going to connect it. This

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<v Speaker 3>is how he put it later. Quote, I took six

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<v Speaker 3>months out of my life and said I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to do this, and everyone said it was silly until

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<v Speaker 3>I did it, and then they said, hey, that's pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I did it for the Neat.

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<v Speaker 3>May nineteenth, nineteen eighty four. Time to record an episode.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Zaren closure, Oh yes, close, I want you

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<v Speaker 3>to picture it. So Zaren, you are not Zaren Right now.

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<v Speaker 3>You are a dental assistant named Janie Leeitris. You're a

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<v Speaker 3>big fan of the show. Press your luck and you've

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<v Speaker 3>finally got in the call to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>It is your big day. You get all dulled up

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<v Speaker 3>in your favorite red striped ruffleneck rayon blouse with a

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<v Speaker 3>thin maroon ribbon in a bow at the neck. You

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<v Speaker 3>got the day off work. You're ready for your fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>minutes of fame. If you sit in the producers is

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<v Speaker 3>a very nice woman applies powder to your face. The

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<v Speaker 3>backstage area of the set bustles around you, peeple chat.

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<v Speaker 3>A squeaky cart rolls by with reels of films stacked

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<v Speaker 3>on top. Up tempo music plays softly in the background

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<v Speaker 3>as a man hypes up the studio audience. A production

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<v Speaker 3>assistant approaches and tells you it's time to take the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>You push back your chairs, smooth out your sensible pant legs,

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<v Speaker 3>and follow the assistant to the main area of the

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<v Speaker 3>sound stage. Your low heels click on the hard floor.

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<v Speaker 3>As you approach the stage, you see a long table

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<v Speaker 3>with three spots, each with a light up number board

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<v Speaker 3>in front of them. There are six spaces on the

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<v Speaker 3>number board, with the first space dedicated to a dollar sign.

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<v Speaker 3>It hits you that you could possibly win tens of

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of dollars today. Dare you dream so big? A

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<v Speaker 3>production assistant leads you to your spot at the far

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<v Speaker 3>end of the lectern. As the studio audience laughs and

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<v Speaker 3>chats in their seats. Two other assistants lead in the

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<v Speaker 3>other contestants. A man in a tan suit sits at

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<v Speaker 3>the other end of the lectern. He's Ed Long, a

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<v Speaker 3>Baptist minister and the winner of the last episode, the

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<v Speaker 3>reigning champion. Then up comes the fella in the center spot,

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Larson. He's in a blue suit and his beard

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<v Speaker 3>is as wild as his eyes. The host, Peter Tremarkin,

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<v Speaker 3>comes out to greet you all. You are starstruck. He's

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<v Speaker 3>just as personable and handsome in real life as he

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<v Speaker 3>is on TV. The audience quiets down and settles in

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<v Speaker 3>for a great match. You are so nervous, your palms

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<v Speaker 3>are sweating. The theme song starts up and you put

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<v Speaker 3>a deep breath. Time to Shine, Janey, Time to Shine.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take a break. Here's some ads. Get our wits

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<v Speaker 3>about us. When we come back, I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you all about this particular episode of this particular game show.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Zaren, did I win?

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<v Speaker 4>I've been waiting this all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you're gonna have to wait a little bit longer.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've got returning champion baptist minister ed long dental

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<v Speaker 3>assistant Janie Lee Trice. That was just me and Michael Larson.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all lined up for a chance to literally press

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<v Speaker 3>their luck on a game show.

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<v Speaker 2>No Whammies, girl, No whammies.

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<v Speaker 3>The show's host, Peter Tamarkin, asked Larson what he did

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<v Speaker 3>for a living, and he answered, quote, I drive an

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<v Speaker 3>ice cream truck in the summer, and I hope to

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<v Speaker 3>win enough money to not have to do that. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a good answer. So this was the first question you've

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<v Speaker 3>probably got. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in your pocket or

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<v Speaker 3>purse right now, because his likeness is on the headside.

0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Larson buzzed in prematurely and yelled fifty dollars Bill, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, wrong, yeah it's a dime. Second of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were broke, buddy, He well with the

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<v Speaker 3>what's with the high roller? Twenties on the top and

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<v Speaker 3>the fifties on bottom the top not as oh yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we got them?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh damn right?

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<v Speaker 3>What was that about? Did you know, Zaron, that has

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<v Speaker 3>spent a long time since I first got down, but

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<v Speaker 3>I still keep making these funky sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>I did know that get your money.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So this this bum answer kind of knocked the

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<v Speaker 3>wind out a Larsen. He sat back for the rest

0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.680
<v Speaker 3>of the question round, but eventually he earned three spins.

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<v Speaker 3>On his first spin, he stopped on square seventeen. What

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<v Speaker 3>was the prize A whammy? Sons? Yeah, this gave him

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<v Speaker 3>a chance so to kind of figure out his buzzer timing.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember how he determined that the whammy never showed up

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<v Speaker 3>on squares four eight? Yeah, Well, his next two spins

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<v Speaker 3>landed on square four both times, and that made him

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, positive yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So on the second half of the show, they've answered

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<v Speaker 3>more questions. Big board comes back up. Squares four and

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<v Speaker 3>eight are still safe, but in this it they also

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<v Speaker 3>come with extra spins in addition to the cash prizes noted.

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<v Speaker 3>So while some of the squares had like fifteen hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>others had fifteen hundred plus one spin, and so four

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<v Speaker 3>and eight always had the plus a spin.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, keep it going.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And like I said, they also never have whammies. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>so these are.

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<v Speaker 2>And to keep it going.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. So he knows all this from his intense studies,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just cut loose in the second half of

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<v Speaker 3>the show. He knows he's unstoppable, and he could not

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<v Speaker 3>only collect cash, but he could like keep the extra spins.

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<v Speaker 3>So he earned seven initial spins in the question round,

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<v Speaker 3>and since his previous showing during the big board round

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty weak, he got to go first. In his

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<v Speaker 3>first fifteen spins, he'd sometimes hit squares four or eight,

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<v Speaker 3>but he managed to avoid the whammies altogether. His luck.

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<v Speaker 3>It was pressed.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very much pressed.

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<v Speaker 3>Then came spin sixteen, so from then on he landed

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<v Speaker 3>only on.

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<v Speaker 2>Four or eight, just to keep it safe.

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<v Speaker 3>For twenty nine consecutive spins. Yeah, he racked up one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and two thousand, eight hundred and fifty one dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, that's prizes.

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<v Speaker 4>What was I standing there thinking? When I was on

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<v Speaker 4>the set.

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<v Speaker 3>Next to him, he would just who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Picking my job off the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find the montage of spins on YouTube like

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<v Speaker 3>search Press your Luck Michael Larson, and there's one by

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<v Speaker 3>the account killer Watt VIDs. That's pretty good. It's thrilling.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine watching it and not knowing how going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>It must have been wild. So at the tapings.

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<v Speaker 4>Money Carlos stuff, a big gambler comes in, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>So to Marke, and he's kind of freaking out, Like

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.159
<v Speaker 3>first he's all blown away by this guy's supposed luckily

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 3>we've never seen this happen roll. Then he's like trying

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<v Speaker 3>to process. He's like, this is unreal.

0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.640
<v Speaker 2>That's thirteen in a row. I don't know how that's possible.

0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.199
<v Speaker 3>And then he's getting frustrated. Yeah, it's like six, and

0:21:58.240 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 3>it says, you've got to be kidding me.

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.359
<v Speaker 2>At one point, I mean, your hands.

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:07.359
<v Speaker 3>When he hit thirty thousand, he was already doing something

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:12.680
<v Speaker 3>unimaginable total show. Tamarkin said, then, quote, Michael, you are

0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.399
<v Speaker 3>really pressing your luck. After this show, you're going to

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.960
<v Speaker 3>get a special call from the president of CBS.

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh, like he's already you must be cheating.

0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's just you know, he's thinking, like this isn't good.

0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:28.200
<v Speaker 3>This is not good.

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<v Speaker 4>One of us is getting a call from the president.

0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Just spinning and spinning. After each successful spin, he has

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<v Speaker 3>a choice to stop or keep going, and like the

0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 3>tension and drama is he just charges ahead. Is great television.

0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Everyone thinks he's about to lose it all everything.

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 3>And he wins it and so then it was like,

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, stop, you're going to lose it all,

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 3>you idiot. And then he'll say let's do it again.

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 3>It goes crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would love to see the footage of the

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<v Speaker 4>people's faces. Yeah, I'd spin seventy then at twenty three

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:01.680
<v Speaker 4>and then.

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 3>You can hear it, like you've got to watch the montage.

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.960
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. He gets to spins forty four and he's

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<v Speaker 3>getting tired, and on spin forty five he didn't hit

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:12.680
<v Speaker 3>four or.

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<v Speaker 4>Eight pass the other competitors. Could you do the spin?

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 3>So forty five he misses. According to him, he misses finally,

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.399
<v Speaker 3>according to him quote, I remember that moment. I was

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.920
<v Speaker 3>just so drained. I suddenly forgot where their whammies were.

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.199
<v Speaker 3>So I stopped and passed control of the board to

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 3>the other players. I felt so relieved that it was over.

0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.360
<v Speaker 3>So he doesn't hit a whammy, he doesn't get four

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 3>or eight, and then he's like, okay, I've got a star.

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.520
<v Speaker 4>He really could have hit the wammy by mistake.

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Then completely and he realized his only real wrisk.

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's like, oh, I don't want that.

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 3>He hands it off to Ed Long's Baptist minister. He

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.360
<v Speaker 3>gets the leftover spins, and because remember Larson has been

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 3>banking spins.

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Each time.

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Ed got a whammy on the first he cursed got.

0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:58.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like one of those.

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Those people who say that like a slot machines hot

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, now it's bad.

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Don't go near it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So what what were the odds that that Larson

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.359
<v Speaker 3>was beating? So, according to the Hollywood Reporter quote, the

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 3>odds of hitting a whammy were one and six, the

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.160
<v Speaker 3>same odds as rolling a seven at a craps table.

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Larson had made forty five spins without hitting one. It

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 3>was a statistical impossibility.

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like in the trillions are yeah, higher than that.

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 3>So at this point, the show's control booth operators like

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 3>they know something.

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just don't know what.

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 3>They figured that Larson had cracked the board in some way,

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 3>so they called Michael Brockman.

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 4>And you said that there was only five patterns or

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 4>whatever they're running, and they did. They didn't quickly put

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 4>that together.

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think they did. They're like, something's gone on.

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 3>They called Michael Brockman, CBS head of daytime programming. All right,

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:47.640
<v Speaker 3>he told TV.

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Guide later, what's happening? They call?

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, he tells tv Guide later. Quote, something was

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 3>very wrong. Here was this guy from nowhere and he

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.520
<v Speaker 3>was hitting the bonus box every time. It was bedlam,

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 3>I can tell you. So there's talk behind the scenes

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 3>of pulling the plug.

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.439
<v Speaker 4>He's like doing like, oh, yeah, the cancel. There's a

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 4>fire along.

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're like stop the taping somehow. But like Larsen

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 3>hadn't technically broken any rules as laid out by the show.

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:19.639
<v Speaker 3>So the CBS compliance person Darlene Tipton said, quote, it

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 3>wasn't unusual for contestants to go on streaks. It was

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of the way the game was designed. But after

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 3>about ten spins of the board, it started to become

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 3>obvious that he was hitting the same prize on the

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:31.360
<v Speaker 3>same square every time.

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 2>He's always hitting four and eight, and that's skill.

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 3>It's not random.

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 4>He's doing that with his stopping of the timer, right,

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 4>So it's literally a physical talent.

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes exactly, not saying like stop.

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well and she goes on. It's not random and

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 3>it's not luck. He could aim and hit, which we

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't think was possible. First the booth got very quiet.

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Then there wasn't Oh my god, oh my god, oh

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 3>my god, what do we do? People were turning to

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 3>me saying, can we stop this? We knew how to

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 3>deal with every other situation, but all we could do

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 3>with this was hang on for the ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 3>So this is kind of like.

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 4>That, like a sniper and the rigging with like an

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:07.879
<v Speaker 4>elephant's franke gun, Like, all right, we're gonna have to

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 4>go at option unicorn.

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Did you see during the Olympics all the speed walking, yes,

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 3>controversy that like, uh, it's like mall walking. I guess

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 3>it's very sassy and they're not supposed to run her job.

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 3>You can't leave the ground, yeah, like they you have

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 3>you can't have both feet off the ground at the

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 3>same time to the naked eye. And so like when

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 3>they were slowing down the footage, these people were very

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 3>obviously jogging, but just in a super sassy way. But

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 3>like because that was in a slowed down version, it didn't.

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Count because it's not the naked eye, right, so.

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:45.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, so it goes Yeah, have.

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 4>You seen those kids that what they do it? But

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 4>they looks like they're floating, like stepping on the air

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 4>the whole time. I'd like to see a competition of

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 4>them where it looks like you can't ever touch.

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 3>The more interesting to me, Yeah, that's two di visual

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 3>eyes naked eye. So the real question with Press Your

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Luck sure is how lazy did they have to be

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:02.160
<v Speaker 3>to build a.

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Board totally the five patterns? Even I whould come up

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 2>with something more about.

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 3>Head of Daytime Programming Michael Brockman he addressed this issue, quote,

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 3>pilots are test vehicles. You can cut corners on this show.

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 3>What was expensive to create was the light pattern on

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:20.680
<v Speaker 3>the board. No one wanted to spend that much money

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.360
<v Speaker 3>on the pilot, and then the pattern wasn't improved enough

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 3>when the show went into production. So what that tells

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 3>me is they didn't think this show was going to.

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Go into production, oh exactly, or I didn't think their viewers

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:30.360
<v Speaker 4>were that smart, you know.

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why not?

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Both?

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 3>So back to the episode It's your turn janeye Lee

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 3>tris to her turning against exactly what did she do?

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Prester luck?

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 3>She no this agent of chaos as from one agent

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 3>of chaos to another recognized, she gave her last three

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 3>spins to Larsen. Way to go, let's do this. She's like, yeah,

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 3>this is insane, break me off some exactly. So Larson,

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 3>because of the rules, had to use those spins. So

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 3>at this point, his score is so high that they

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 3>had to ditch the dollar signed space on his light

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 3>up number board and just go with all totals. Remember

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 3>he's over one hundred thousand dollars. He hit squares four

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 3>and then eight on the first two spins, like dastard.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 3>He missed on the third one and hit square seventeen.

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh but no whammy.

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 4>Took Okay, another time he took an honest chance.

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 3>He didn't get a whammy. Instead, he won a trip

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 3>to the Bahamas, and with that the game was over.

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Like so all told, Michael Larson won a sail boat wow,

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 3>an all inclusive vacation to Kawaii, which like yes, please

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 3>that trip to the Bahamas and one hundred and ten

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 3>two hundred and thirty seven dollars in cast.

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 4>She won like half their season's prize budget.

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh completely, it's nearly three hundred and fifty thousand dollars today,

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 3>ed long, he still got his eleven grand from the.

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Previous episode, Old.

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Gal Janey, she and it on a whammy and she

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 3>walked away with nothing, just her dignity.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 4>And the memories Elizabeth, and you can't take those away.

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 3>While the control booth had figured that he wasn't really cheating,

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 3>CBS Standards and Practices they were sure, oh, cheating.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 4>The control is basically talking electronic cheating. They're like, you

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 4>have nobody exactly in your ear. You're not getting electronic

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, signal on your foot.

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 3>And that's like in the taping and afterwards, Standards and

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Practices looked at it and they're like, no, he's a cheater.

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 3>He's all crimed up and They're like, because of this,

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 3>we can't pay him out. Oh, they're just positive.

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 4>There's just no way pulled the casino move, Like, I

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 4>question your wins.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they went over CBS went over the footage

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 3>frame by frame, but came up.

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Like this a pruider film.

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Because he wasn't using he wasn't using a device to

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 3>control the board or working with someone else.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he wasn't doing any known cheats.

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 3>He just basically beat him at their own game.

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, he did a mental algorithm.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Essentially, he pressed their lucks not being better about the setup.

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 3>So a former executive for CBS Daytime Programming, Bob Boden.

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Not Bob Boden, Bad Bobby Boden.

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 3>And Bobby Boden said, quote, he fit every criteria. He

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 3>had not broken any rules of the game, he had

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 3>played fairly, and he was an eligible contestant. We paid

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 3>him his money. He was simply smarter than CBS.

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, are you smarter than a CBS the.

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Show Brockman, that head of Daytime Programming, he said, quote,

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 3>I said, how did he cheat? He beat the system.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.479
<v Speaker 3>CBS finally agreed to pay him what he'd won, So

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 3>he's won. That guy's on his side.

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>There's a new mayor in Television City, and this is

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Michael Larson.

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 3>They cut Larson a check a couple of weeks later,

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.959
<v Speaker 3>but they didn't let him come back for the next episode,

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 3>as was the custom, because he's blown by the network's

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 3>prize limit of twenty five thousand dollars. Yeah, this boom gone.

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 3>The episode was such a beast that they had to

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 3>split it into two parts.

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>What Yeah, it was.

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 3>A two parter. So the first half aired on June eighth,

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty four, and the second half was shown on

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 3>the eleventh. And some at CBS didn't want to show

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 3>it at all.

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I bet not. I'm surprised they did.

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>They did come to an agreement that it wouldn't air

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 3>as a rerun or in syndication. Oh and then also

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 3>CBS established a seventy five thousand dollars cap on contestants winnings.

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Huh, So that's you know, wow.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 3>That's it. It did air though, and then there's the

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 3>big board.

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 4>I kind of understand, like, it seems to me that

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 4>would be the kind of show you would want, if

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 4>you're in their position, you'd want would want to air

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 4>that to put out the challenge for other people to

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 4>try to beat your show become yeah all the time.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I'm too like, you know, trained by our modern

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 4>virality and the idea of like you want to get

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, you want to get the gourd of mouth.

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 4>So obviously this probably wasn't the big thing in the eighties.

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 4>They would have called it, you know, the water cooler moment,

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 4>but it seems to be this is your water cooler

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.239
<v Speaker 4>moment if you have a new show this and get

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 4>everyone think about it.

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Is they the network gave them a cap of twenty

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 3>five thousand. They don't career contestant, so they don't have

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 3>a big budget. Sure, and they're probably thinking that now

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 3>that the networks had to get legal involved and they've

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 3>had to pay out over one hundred thousands money there,

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 3>so they don't want to do a call to action

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 3>of other people to be like, oh, yeah, I guess what, Like,

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 3>I've got.

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 2>A big brain.

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I can get on there and outsmart this. That's my guess.

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a good read.

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 3>It's just a cheap show.

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 4>You can see the blood in the water, and they

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 4>don't want to invite more sharks.

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's supposed to be a cheap show. They're

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 3>not going to spend a lot of money and get

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 3>a good return.

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 4>And now they're spent a lot of money and I'm

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 4>saying that they could get a bigger return. They're like,

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 4>that's not what we want.

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Right exactly, that's my guess. So the big board, right,

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 3>they had to reprogram it.

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 4>Of course, hopefully more than five patterns.

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 3>They put in twenty seven additional light patterns. That's a

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 3>good number to make things seem more random. Although I

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 3>assume someone could memorize those two you memorize.

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 5>Not me.

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't memorize one of them, but there are people

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 3>out there.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I bet you could. You could do it. If it's visual.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 3>This is purely visually.

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 4>If it was like my ear, I might not be

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 4>able to.

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like trying to get whammies because I like

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 3>the little cartoons totally. It was like it's very babus,

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 3>which I love. I like that.

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 4>You couldn't help yourself even trying to wind.

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 3>You'd still do my my animal brain would be like,

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 3>let's watch another ram cartoon.

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't lie to you again.

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 4>This is it better than a trip to the you're

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 4>for yourself?

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah? The Whammy wears like a little cape and

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 3>has double horns. It's like a bad teeny little super guy.

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 4>A lot of that in the eighties, like the Annoyd

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 4>from Domino's.

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 3>Remember Curious Larson heard about the big board overhaul, and

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 3>he wrote to the contestant coordinator at pressure like quote,

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 3>it's like a zodiac letter. I know you've added patterns

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 3>to the board, but I bet I can beat you again.

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 3>How about a tournament of champions?

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I like his heart. I got to bet they didn't

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 2>answer no. I bet they were just like whatever.

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Larsen set the record for most game show winnings in

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 3>a single day with that one ten in nineteen eighty four.

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 3>It stood until two thousand and six, when The Price

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Is Right had someone win one hundred and forty seven thousand.

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Whoa and then another Prices writer A pr contestants broke

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.240
<v Speaker 3>that with one hundred and seventy thousand and twenty thirteen.

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 2>In one show Yeah, and then.

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 3>Michael Stauber won a total of two hundred and sixty

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 3>two thousand, seven hundred and forty three on the October fourteenth,

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen episode of The Prices Right.

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 2>How are they winning this much? On the pres Has

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 2>this show changed?

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. I never watched it in the

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 3>first place. Shocking, I know.

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember when the Wheel of Fortune you would

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 4>get some money after a round, then you'd have to

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 4>do shopping. They'd like open up her room. Yeah, that's

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 4>seed my sister. She was into game shows. I remember,

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 4>so people don't even know existed growing up.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 3>And to this day, I watched Jeopardy and then change

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 3>the channel as fast as I.

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Can hear the song.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 3>I hate it because I can't stay you know what.

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad. I'm glad he had three careers, but I

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 3>can't keep then Pat Sajack's little face, Yeah, I don't

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 3>want to see it sounds like and it's just to me,

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a dumb game totally.

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 4>He was like a human, like chipmunk and like the

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 4>only and like normally you'd be like, oh, that'd be

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 4>kind of cool.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.320
<v Speaker 3>You can tell him, no, he doesn't have a babu ACoM.

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 3>And it's also they get the dumbest contestants. Oh my god. Anyway.

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 3>Twenty eleven, Damn Interesting media outlets said that despite the

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty four win having been called a cheat, a

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 3>scammer scandal.

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Quote.

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 3>His impressive performance on Press Your Luck maybe one of

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 3>the only honest days of work that Michael Larson ever did.

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 3>When Peter asked Larson on air what was going what

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 3>he was going to do with his winnings, Larson told

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 3>him quote invest in houses is his answer. Yeah. He

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 3>paid the taxes on his winnings. And then he bought

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 3>his daughter a bunch of presents for his sixth birthday

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 3>that happened to be the day before the show was taped.

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 3>As he said, I can't even afford the presence. Then

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 3>he took a year off of work, I suppose driving

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 3>the ice cream truck or the h fact that he

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 3>didn't want anyone to know about. He gave the sailboat

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 3>to his son, and I don't know if he took

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 3>the trips or he opted for the cash payout on those,

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 3>or if that was even an offer for him. He

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 3>opened a marketing company marketing yeah, his brother James. His

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 3>brother James said, quote, I tried to get him to

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 3>look at some reasonable investments. He put it in the bank,

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 3>and for some time he was doing the right thing, well, Zaren,

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.320
<v Speaker 3>For some time he was until.

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 2>He was how long did sometime last?

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Let's take a break and when we come back, we'll

0:36:48.520 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 3>check in on Michael Larson post pyl victory. No Wammy's,

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 3>no Wammy's, no wammies. There it is Michael Larson Saren.

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 3>The episode of Press Your Luck where he dominated aired

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:25.359
<v Speaker 3>in June of nineteen eighty four. By late nineteen eighty four,

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 3>following a dizzy in case of Olympic fever, he withdrew

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 3>one hundred thousand dollars from five different banks.

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 4>I gotta ask my friend's style if he remembers this

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 4>because he was so into it. Yeah, actually is old

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 4>enough you can remember it.

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 3>So he goes around, He takes out one hundred grand,

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 3>five different banks. He gets them all in one dollar bills.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 3>Why well, he was not heading to sloths.

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 4>I say, that's my only guest. Immediately lost loyal hower.

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 3>The gals and bills while they ignore him and sleep

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 3>soundly under down comforters at a very generous area of

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 3>personal space.

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I try to tuck one in a pocket of

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 4>a robe.

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 2>You get you don't get that, you get that clothes.

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I thought you could maybe like daintily chuck it up.

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 3>On that table and then the well when we wake up,

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 3>the gal say, they'll get over there. No, he was

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 3>trying to win a radio game that offered a prize

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 3>if you matched announced numbers with those on a dollar bill.

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh so he wanted many chances possible and he was

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 4>not successful.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a bad one.

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 3>He gave up. He redeposited half the bills. Oh no,

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 3>and what did he do with the rest of the money.

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Lottery scratch offs?

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.879
<v Speaker 3>No, he hid it in various places in his girlfriend's house,

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 3>remember her Dinwitty.

0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:38.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so one night he's acting like a guy who

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 4>watched his twelve TVs it once again exactly, he's got

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 4>like Mason jars of one dollar bills basically buried in

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:44.840
<v Speaker 4>the backyard.

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.439
<v Speaker 3>One night, the two of them, the couple, they're out

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 3>on the town, living it up at a Christmas party.

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 3>That's fun for them. While they were out, though, something

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:56.720
<v Speaker 3>bad happened. Burglars broke in and they took the fifty

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 3>thousand he had squirreled around the house.

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 4>How did they know where it was? Sounds like an inside.

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.720
<v Speaker 3>John Arson was convinced that his girlfriend.

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, was not so dim wady.

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 3>She woke up one morning and he was standing over her,

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 3>staring at her like after this, just staring, So she

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 3>bounced like good for her, no room for creepy. Sure, yeah,

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean this guy has a wall of television sets

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 3>and you know, and this is.

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 4>What makes her bounce. She wakes up one day and

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 4>he's staring. After the robbery, I get, there's a greater concept.

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 3>So she grabbed five thousand dollars that he had hidden

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 3>in the kitchen drawer that the burglars hadn't gotten. She

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.840
<v Speaker 3>grabs the kids, she runs. That was her house, though,

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 3>so she stayed at a hotel while she waited for

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 3>him to get his stuff and go go. He did.

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 3>They never figured out who stole the cash, and they

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 3>never will. Nineteen eighty six, Press your luck went off

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:48.280
<v Speaker 3>the air, moment of silence.

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Please really that quickly?

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 3>It did not last long. Let's jump forward to the

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 3>mid nineteen nineties. I wasn't even born then. I was

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 3>born in twenty fifteen. So by this point, Larson he

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 3>had moved to Dayton, Ohio, and he was working as

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.280
<v Speaker 3>an assistant manager at Walmart.

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 4>Was this mid nineties, Okay, so I was a retiree

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 4>in Ohio, at this.

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you had already retired at this point.

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Being one of the greatest generation at all.

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So he's he's living in Dayton, Ohio. He's working

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 3>at Walmart, not the Walmart and bowling green over big

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 3>shout out that appeared in the Pokemon episode. This is

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:26.359
<v Speaker 3>the Walmart date store. Yeah, is it a superstar? I'm

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 3>curiously so Larson. He had a job, he had a

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 3>new girlfriend, and he had a new con He was

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 3>selling shares in a multi level marketing scam run by

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 3>a company called Pleasure Time Incorporated. Oh god, Hubba hubba.

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Pleasure Time Incorporating.

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, here's what that was. So there were indeed, ahub

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:53.240
<v Speaker 3>in Taro Bay. There were ads, very early online ads

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 3>on America Online. Oh whoa that said, you can't lose

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 3>about this For just one hundred and eighty nine dollars a.

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:03.479
<v Speaker 4>Share, just pennies dollars on the day.

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Investors could get in on the ground floor of an

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.439
<v Speaker 3>operation that would yield them at least sixty dollars a week.

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:13.919
<v Speaker 3>That sounds good least Yeah, more twenty thousand people thought

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 3>it sounded good. And what was this scheme called the

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:23.399
<v Speaker 3>American Indian Lottery that familiar. Basically, it's unregistered securities. Yes,

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 3>which translates to classic Ponzi skis. Pleasure Time Incorporated did

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 3>business under the name Telephone Information Systems and Group Dynamics.

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Downline, Group Dynamics done. You know that they rip people.

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.359
<v Speaker 3>They promised huge profits in return for signing on more

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 3>investors MLM baby. Okay, but this this wasn't just taking

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 3>place in magazines or through the mail. This was online.

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Stanley B. Witten with the Securities and Exchange Commission in Chicago. Yeah,

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.359
<v Speaker 3>they said, quote. It's the first time the Commission has

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 3>brought a case in which most of the offer sale

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.840
<v Speaker 3>of securities took place in cyberspace. Oh wow, que the

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 3>lasers people fibers. Investors were told that by buying a

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 3>quote membership share in Telephone Information Systems, they would profit

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 3>from a worldwide telephone lottery that would be set up

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 3>in conjunction with a Native American tribe. Sorry, of course,

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 3>there's no tribe involved.

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, none of this.

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 4>And twenty thousand people fell for this. Yeah, there's going

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 4>to be a worldwide on the phone lottery run from

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 4>an Indiana.

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 3>What does this lottery work? Well, people would call a

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 3>nine hundred telephone line. Oh do you remember those?

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Dial a minute?

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember them because I was born in twenty

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 3>eighteen and I don't know what a cassette tape is.

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 4>I actually got reach and that's how I retired, was

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 4>off of one nine hundred numbers.

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 3>So like that's you would it would cost money to call.

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 2>A nine hundred line by the minute, yes, and.

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Then one nine hundred yeah, and that's but this is

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 3>how the public would get into the lotto, however much

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 3>it is a minute is one thing. Sure, that's the

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 3>gravy on top, because they'd call and then buy a

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 3>seven dollars ticket for the lottery over the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, And they'd have to wait, I'm sure, on the

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<v Speaker 4>phone to handle some of the.

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Process as the as racking up. And this would give

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 3>money to the investors in the project, supposedly, and according

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.720
<v Speaker 3>to the ad, half of the seven dollars telephone wager

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 3>went to the lotto pot and the rest would be

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 3>divided among the tribe, the investors, and operating expenses.

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Joan McCown, who was the chief counsel of the SEC

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Enforcement Division in Washington, said that the SEC's market surveillance

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 3>department was monitoring the financial bulletin boards of online services.

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:49.760
<v Speaker 3>So she's on message boards on like an AOL board. Yes,

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 3>for the Chatter Frontier, it's the wild West. This is

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 3>the first case where most of the advertising of the

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 3>scam was online, so there's no chunk mail, no classified

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 3>ads and papers. Federal District judge froze the assets of accounts.

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 4>This still counts as as wire fraud, not postal fraud. Right,

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:13.840
<v Speaker 4>so they've just gotten around the postal fraud.

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, so they freeze accounts in Florida, Indiana, Ohio,

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 3>but most of the investors' money had already been withdrawn. Sure,

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:25.439
<v Speaker 3>the SEC tracked more than three million that came from

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 3>investors as Telephone Information and Group Dynamics downline made pitches

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 3>on these computer networks. The scammers even took the idea

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to Europe, where they got people to sign up for

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 3>two hundred equivalent of two hundred dollars apiece that same

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 3>one pleasure time. The reason it had the name is

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 3>it's a remnant of the company's old service. Something they

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 3>called quote Fantasy calls on the nine hundred line. So

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.399
<v Speaker 3>it was a phone sex operator. Yeah, they switched over

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 3>reached over to Indian I thought they.

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Were just diversive, Like, we got to find a way

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 4>to get more elderly people in this. We've got all

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 4>these younger dirtbags going with the sex phone calls.

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 3>We can get more money out of the older You

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 3>use these.

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 4>Same lines later a week had or earlier, I guess

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 4>probably in the morning.

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, and so there's Michael Larson involved in a non

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 3>existent American Indian lottery that raised three million dollars from

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand investors. You know what, that made him one

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<v Speaker 3>of the pioneers of internet scams.

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Wow, look at him for.

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 3>One of the laziest men people didn't believe in exactly.

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 4>He's out there scamming game shows the Internet.

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 3>In the middle of all this precedence, seem made a

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<v Speaker 3>play for more fame.

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:34.760
<v Speaker 2>What see.

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen ninety four, a movie came out, produced and

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<v Speaker 3>directed by Robert Redford.

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, one of your favorite John.

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Taturo, your boy Rob Morrow, Yes, and Rafe Fines.

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 4>Oh different movies the movie I know these when you're talking.

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.840
<v Speaker 3>About quiz show, yeah, dramas?

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 4>Are you're talking about sneakers? Your other one?

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 3>God, no, that was that's that's in a class of

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 3>its own. I would never be smirch it by bringing

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 3>it into this. So quiz showed traumatization of the fifties

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 3>quiz show scandals. Larsen went on Good Morning America to

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 3>talk about the movie and his experience on Press Your Luck.

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I've scammed a game show.

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I know this.

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 3>He told him that he was bummed out that he

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 3>never got to go on Jeopardy because, quote, I think

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 3>I have figured out some angles on that. Yeah, like

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 3>what being smart? Ken Jennings, James Holsauer with like a word.

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 3>He got interviewed by from White Men Can't Jump, Yes, everybody,

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 3>everyone would like a word. He got interviewed by TV Guide.

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:36.440
<v Speaker 3>They asked him what he did with all of his

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 3>whammy free winnings. He said, quote, it didn't work out.

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 3>We had a cash flow problem. Then I lost everything.

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 3>Easy come, easy go.

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 4>I was about to say, like, he's the kind of

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 4>guy who believes literally in easy comings.

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 2>He's like burnet im.

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.760
<v Speaker 3>And then he said, it's more the thrill of the chase.

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>He's in for the actions, and he's literally in for

0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the action.

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 3>He told interviewers that he chose Pressure Luck to beat

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 3>because of the cash prizes it had. Quote, I just

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 3>memorized the patterns. I thought maybe there would be a

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 3>pattern in the way the lights moved. So I videotaped

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 3>six or eight of them, and I watched them frame

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 3>to frame. Six months later, I had a pattern down. Okay,

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 3>he said he was currently studying video poker casino games

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.320
<v Speaker 3>in the hopes of going to Vegas.

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good luck.

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 3>The next year, in nineteen ninety five, he gets charged

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 3>for that American Indian Lottery skill. He was under investigation

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 3>by the FBI, IRS SEC and you can guess what

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 3>he did. He made a run for it.

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 4>I was just gonna say, I bet he's a kype

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 4>of cut and run.

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 3>He pressed his luck. So, according to his brother James, quote,

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 3>winning that game show was the start of his downfall.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.840
<v Speaker 3>It made him think he could trick anybody and do

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:48.280
<v Speaker 3>just about anything he pleased.

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm above the law.

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So he was on the run for four years.

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Well good on him.

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a long time.

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 2>From what we've found, that's not easy to stay out

0:47:57.960 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that long.

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 4>And I mean to stay ahead of the and then

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 4>also head of your own guilty conscience, he said two

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 4>different things.

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he nineteen ninety nine. Investigators tracked him to Florida.

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 2>He didn't even leave the country.

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.319
<v Speaker 3>No, And what did they find a gravestone?

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 5>What?

0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had just passed away from throat cancer at

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 3>the age of forty nine.

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Dear God.

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they were too late, Darren.

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 4>So he was smoking like massively while he was watching

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 4>those eighteen hours of TV. So I think that kind

0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 4>of goes hand in hand. That room had like striator

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:28.840
<v Speaker 4>grace smoke.

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 3>I can see the whole thing.

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 2>It's hot. Yeah.

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. There was a film adaptation of the whole mess

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 3>called Press Your Luck that was supposed to be in

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 3>pre production as of August two thousand.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:41.919
<v Speaker 4>Howard twenty twenty four, Elizabeth, I know.

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Howard Franklin was the screenwriter and director What Happened? Nicholas

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Cage was signed on as a producer and who was

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 3>supposed to play Larsen?

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.919
<v Speaker 2>Rob Morrow, Bill Murray? What?

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Billbury?

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 4>This is I want to be a dramatic actor.

0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Fair March sixteenth, two thousand and three, the Game Show

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Network showed its first ever documentary.

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>About the event, first ever doctum.

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the two hour long Big Bucks the Press Your

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:17.839
<v Speaker 3>Luck Scandal documentary. It brought together Janey the Preacher, Peter

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Tomarkin from the original taping, did.

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 4>Have Monty Hall just for like a commentary why not.

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:27.720
<v Speaker 3>There was a reboat of Press Your Luck called Whammy,

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 3>the all new Press Your Luck. I don't think so

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 3>they had when it was on, though they had a

0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 3>March seventeenth, two thousand and three, memorial episode of the

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.200
<v Speaker 3>show with Ed Long and Janie Lee Trice. They returned

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 3>to play against James Larson, Michael Larson's brother. The brother

0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 3>was like, I'll take a taste of this, get my

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>beek wet. November thirteenth, twenty seventeen, this book company, modern

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Itto Books published a graphic novel about his Press Your

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Luck winning streak called Larsen The Luckiest Man in the World.

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 2>If the ant he kills everyone with the sword.

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 3>It's by Hobby di Castro. So Yeah, unable to let

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 3>it go Sure. The Game Show Network rolled out a

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:13.239
<v Speaker 3>documentary series What And Its first episode was about the

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Press Your Luck scandal that aired in twenty eighteen.

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 4>Game Show Network I Hardly Knew You.

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 3>On May ninth, twenty twenty four, Protagonist Pictures announced its

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 3>adaptation to the scandal called Press Your Luck.

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I was goe A guess Yeah.

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Maggie Briggs and Sameir Oliverros wrote the script. Oliverro's directed,

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 3>and Paul Walter Hauser was cast as Larsen.

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:35.440
<v Speaker 2>If he says, so is Aaron.

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:36.360
<v Speaker 3>What's your ridiculous taway?

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Man?

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.879
<v Speaker 4>If I was to sit around and imagine a game

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:44.040
<v Speaker 4>show to cheat from the early eighties or even just

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.839
<v Speaker 4>for the eighties in particular, it's no way I would

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 4>have picked no Whammies. That one is so known for

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 4>you not beating it. I mean, that's like the whole idea,

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 4>no Whammy, no Wamy, and they get the wamby. Yeah,

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 4>this guy's like, I can beat the whammy. I really

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.360
<v Speaker 4>respect the fact that his goal was to beat the

0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 4>wam He beat the I mean to honestly, like I

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.760
<v Speaker 4>told you about my buddy style. This is like between

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 4>us and inside joke that he pretty but spread to

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 4>me because he liked the show and my sister like

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 4>the show. So I was just always kind of like

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 4>a I don't want to admire us of but I

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 4>marveled at both he and my sister, two people close

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 4>to me, two people I live with two people who

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 4>I trusted implicitly were so afraid of this thing called

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 4>the Whammy.

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:21.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 4>I just thought that was amazing. And here this guy goes,

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm afraid of no whammy. That's ridiculous to me. Elizabeth,

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 4>what about you? What's your ridiculous takeaway? You see, I did

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 4>that all smak.

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for asking on. I love the fact that

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.879
<v Speaker 3>the Game Show Network has gotten into documentary.

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Total in a series of them.

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:39.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's fair for them.

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>This is our thirty for thirty, Like we're kind of

0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 2>out of.

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Game Show Show Dave. You know what I need to

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 3>talk back?

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, oh my god, I w ge.

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:10.319
<v Speaker 6>Y'all are ridiculous. Horsey sauce is horse Radish, Horsey is

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:15.840
<v Speaker 6>Arby's slang nickname for horse radish, and oddly enough, I

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 6>just got back to work from eating lunch at Arby's

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 6>and eating Horsey sauce.

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