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Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime Round up, y'all, and cow girl up.

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Speaker 1: I know Nancy Grace is ready tonight because she's been

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Speaker 1: roping cat y'all.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I've been roping a cat literally today Cinnamon

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Speaker 2: went to the vet. It's just really a long story.

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Speaker 2: But I was training without a car and was literally

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Speaker 2: running back to the studio to get to you on time,

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, I must love you a lot, literally running

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Speaker 2: and I called Cheryl by the way en route of

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Speaker 2: the run, trying to get back in time so she

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Speaker 2: could hear lawnmowers and dogs barking in me trying to

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Speaker 2: breathe going up a hill. That said, I've been thinking

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Speaker 2: about it a long time, and I named Corey Richins

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Speaker 2: Moscow mule mom.

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Speaker 1: M h listen before we get to her, I want

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Speaker 1: to say something to you.

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Speaker 3: And I gave a chance to catch your breath.

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Speaker 2: I can just fine go ahead, you know.

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Speaker 1: With your New Merritt Street TV venture. It dawned on me,

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Speaker 1: I guess a day or so ago. I was driving

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Speaker 1: and I thought, you know what, I can remember when

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Speaker 1: you left the DA's office and you had told all

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Speaker 1: of us that you were headed to New York City

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Speaker 1: and you were going to be on this, you know,

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Speaker 1: cable show, which I didn't even really understand what cable

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Speaker 1: TV was. And I even remember your daddy Mac he

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Speaker 1: didn't have it either, and me and Walt were too

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Speaker 1: poor to have it. I think your dad was too

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Speaker 1: far out in the country to have it. And here

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Speaker 1: you're doing this awesome venture and we can't even watch you.

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Speaker 3: But it dawned on me, Nancy, that you have such guts.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I've ever put two and two together,

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Speaker 1: because when you, you know, strike out on this type

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Speaker 1: of endeavor and your very own name on it, that

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Speaker 1: is just brave.

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Speaker 3: And I just wanted to tell you.

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Speaker 1: I am just so proud of you and impressed by

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Speaker 1: what you have done all these years. So I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to tell you that and remind people to go

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Speaker 1: to Merritt Street TV and watch the incredible groundbreaking work

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Speaker 1: you're doing.

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Speaker 2: I never thought of it like that. I'm almost speechless,

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Speaker 2: not completely speech but almost speechless with what you said,

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Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about, Yeah, I didn't really know what

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Speaker 2: court TV was when I joined it. To os Cochran

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Speaker 2: and Grace, I did know this. They covered Court TV

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Speaker 2: covered a big murder trial. I had a millionaire murdered

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Speaker 2: his wife and then tried to cover it up with Arson.

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Speaker 2: And then they wanted to cover a serial rape case,

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Speaker 2: and I kicked him out of the courtroom. And then

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Speaker 2: I told the victim's look, I should tell you court

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Speaker 2: TV wanted to cover this, but I knew you did

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Speaker 2: not want to be on camera. And then w what

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Speaker 2: we didn't do any thing wrong? He did it. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: So forty V came back and covered a serial rape case, prosecuted.

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Speaker 2: And then what happened Cheryl. It's the strangest thing. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's a miracle, that's what it is. It's not strange,

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Speaker 2: it's a miracle. Courty Vid wanted me to start a

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Speaker 2: show Cochrane and Grace with Johnny Cochran, and I said, no,

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Speaker 2: I've got a it was a different rape trawl. I've

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Speaker 2: got a rape trawl on money. I can't stay in

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Speaker 2: New York to try to put together called together a show.

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Speaker 2: I've got a trial calendar. And I left New York.

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Speaker 2: I was there giving a speech the next thing. You know,

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Speaker 2: my boss, mister Slayton, who was like a grandfather to me,

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Speaker 2: longest serving DA in the country. At that time, I

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Speaker 2: think it was thirty seven years Cheryl I announced he

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Speaker 2: was going to retire. That's the only time I ever

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Speaker 2: ever shed a tear in front of my boss. I

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Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. What was I going to do? Could

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Speaker 2: be a defense attor ain't no way? A court TV

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Speaker 2: back and said, Hey, I'll do it. And I moved

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Speaker 2: to New York with a shiff row, two shift row,

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Speaker 2: boxes of clothes, a curling iron, and three hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: because that's all I had. That is it. And that's

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Speaker 2: what happened. Hey, what could go wrong?

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Speaker 3: What could go wrong?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I stayed there at court TV. I think it

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Speaker 2: was either eleven or twelve years, but the last two

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Speaker 2: or three years I was double dipping. I also worked

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Speaker 2: at HLN, which I loved. I love both of them,

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Speaker 2: and I only quit court TV when I got pregnant

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Speaker 2: and I just could not. I didn't think it was

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Speaker 2: of a underdog situation always. Now we're launching a new network,

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Speaker 2: and I got to tell you, Cheryl, I really I

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Speaker 2: love the network. I love what it stands for. I

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Speaker 2: so thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're all behind you. I love it, I love

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Speaker 1: everything about it.

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Speaker 2: Well you do know if you miss it at six pm,

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Speaker 2: six nine and twelve, you can get it for free

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Speaker 2: on your iPad at merit plus dot com. M I'm

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Speaker 2: better spell this for Cheryl McCollum ms and mother e

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Speaker 2: R I t p LUs dot com merrit plus dot com.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Love it absolutely and for everybody listening. I can't spell,

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Speaker 1: so help me out. All right, listen, let's get back

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Speaker 1: to Corey Richins, because here's the deal for the people

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Speaker 1: that may have missed this somehow. She was a mother

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Speaker 1: that wrote a children's book about coping with grief after

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Speaker 1: was arrested for his murder.

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Speaker 3: So if you.

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Speaker 1: Start looking at their history, Nancy, they had a prenup.

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Speaker 1: They had assets that included a stonemasonry company, fort lifts, trucks,

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Speaker 1: life insurance policies. She opened bank accounts he didn't know

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Speaker 1: anything about. She used lines of credit for like two

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Speaker 1: She withdrew one hundred thousand dollars from him, literally stole

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Speaker 2: Apparently she was in him for three million dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: the quote I heard today. I just heard that quote

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Speaker 2: today and we are going to be delving into it

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Speaker 2: on Merit Street Media MSM tomorrow night. This is what

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Speaker 2: I learned today. Was speaking to investigators, and I spoke

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Speaker 2: to a family friend, well the family friend of the husband,

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Speaker 2: Eric Richards, And it's so much more than just a

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Speaker 2: money motive. And again, I don't know why everybody keeps

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Speaker 2: telling me this on Twitter. Yes, I know you're innocent

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Speaker 2: till proven guilty. There I said it. But this goes

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Speaker 2: way back. Cheryl a couple of years ago on Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 2: they were, I believe, on a vacation and she made

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Speaker 2: into anaphylactic shock. He almost died. He didn't even have

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Speaker 2: that time he told his friend Cheryl. And this brings

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Speaker 2: back a lot of bad memories for me, because I've

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Speaker 2: had women say this about their husbands and then they

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Speaker 2: me so much of my mother. She would tell her

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Speaker 2: friends if anything happens to me. He did it. Well, Okay,

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Speaker 2: she died anyway, he tells his friends at the time, Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: At the time, I think she tried to kill me,

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Speaker 2: and she's trying to get the money. And it's not

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Speaker 2: like they're multimillionaires. But he had a business he had

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Speaker 2: But that was a couple of years before he died. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was that long. It preceded

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Speaker 2: his death. And there are techs that have arisen where

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Speaker 2: she is trying to score more fentanyl. He died five

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Speaker 2: times the lethal dose of fentanyl, and we believe that

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Speaker 2: it was administered to him. The medical examiner said it

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Speaker 3: He ate it.

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Speaker 2: We believe she gave him a moscow mule laced with fentanyl,

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Speaker 2: a medical examiner and a toxicologist. They said, Cheryl, believe

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Speaker 2: times a lethal dose. And you know a moscow mule.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember my friend Dean Secoley. He was my

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Speaker 2: executive producer at HLM, absolutely and I love him, love him,

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Speaker 2: love him so much. I never knew what a moscow

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Speaker 2: mule was. And we were we were at the Jody

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Speaker 2: the twins with me, and he said, we got to

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Speaker 2: go get a moscow mule. Oh, here's Lucy, hey, precious.

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Speaker 2: I'm all with miss Cheryl so and I said, he said,

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Speaker 2: you'll love it. It's made with ginger beer. I'm like, dang,

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Speaker 2: you know I do not drink. He says, ginger beer

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Speaker 2: He got us a moscow mule. It was delicious. It

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Speaker 2: I have ten right now. But I'm telling you it

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Speaker 2: was so tangy with the taste of ginger. There's no

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Speaker 2: a Moscow mule.

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Speaker 3: And listen. I don't want it to be lost on

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Speaker 1: The first attempt, allegedly was Valentine's Day and again, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I know you. I used to watch you in court

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Speaker 1: and just absorb everything you did.

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Speaker 2: And I apologize for everything or sat in court.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you were so flawless and peerless. Listen, I

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Speaker 3: If there was.

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Speaker 1: A Valentine's Day card, let's talk about it. Let's put

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Speaker 1: it up on a big old billboard. Let's let the

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Speaker 2: They would have to pass it around and read it

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Speaker 2: themselves with their own hands and look at it. Even

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Speaker 2: to read it out loud with all my love, the

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Speaker 2: perfect husband. Where would you like me to bury you?

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Speaker 2: You're dead, You're no good to me anymore. Can I

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Speaker 2: have your money? But just I mean, he said to

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Speaker 2: the friend, I'm afraid she's trying. Now Here comes David. David.

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Speaker 2: Just for the record, David, shut up.

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Speaker 3: Cheryl, shut up, don't.

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Speaker 2: Do the weekly round up, and we're talking about a

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Speaker 2: woman that killed her husband in a Moscow meilt. See,

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Speaker 2: I told you not to drink alcohol anyway, right, he

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Speaker 2: doesn't like them anyway. Famous last words blood glug. So

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Speaker 2: I guess next thing, John David and the dog and

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Speaker 2: the cat are going to come through the grandmommy and

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Speaker 2: the granny sitter and everybody else. But Cheryl, the fact

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Speaker 2: that he told a friend I'm afraid, in all seriousness,

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid she's trying to kill me. Can I tell

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Speaker 2: you something else, Cheryl that really strikes a note, say

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Speaker 2: a good defense turn will have a field day with them.

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Speaker 2: Everything we've just talked about everything, Because it doesn't brave murder,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't. You can't go to your room with that.

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Speaker 2: You have to have definitive proof. What about this the

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Speaker 2: night Eric died, she says, I slept down the hall

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Speaker 2: I don't find that unusual at all. She said, I

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Speaker 2: So he's dead. She did the flip and then had

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Speaker 2: And that's not what you can do in front of

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Speaker 2: like what did they see? What did they experience? All that?

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Speaker 2: And she's throwing a party, I mean a big party, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: Now, Nancy, you and I both have thrown big parties.

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Speaker 1: If she threw the party the next day, that ain't

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Speaker 1: when she planned it. So you're talking about, if you

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Speaker 1: back this thing up, when does she order the food?

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Speaker 2: And uh, he was dead from he died from od

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Speaker 2: Now it's been brought up in court that her mother

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Speaker 2: may have helped her. What yeah, Okay, finally, finally, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Valentine's Day attempt wasn't enough to get a reaction

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Speaker 2: out of you. The salt shaker wasn't enough, The Valentine's

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Speaker 2: documents that Corey Richins's mother was involved with a woman

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Speaker 2: And she died suddenly and unexpectedly from an overdose of

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Speaker 2: that's still not enough. That's not enough on the mom.

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Speaker 2: There's something else, Cheryl rollover.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta get a cool rag on my head.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute. Now they're saying that Corey Richards

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Speaker 2: Now is that enough to prove the mother's involved? No,

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. When you start looking at some

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Speaker 2: I am saying that Corey Richins sent this letter to

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Speaker 2: Now does that make a murder case? No, it does not,

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Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you something else.

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Speaker 2: If you and I can stop you.

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Speaker 3: And I may come over because I don't want to

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Speaker 2: Well, the dog just jumped on the sofa, which he's

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Speaker 3: Ahead, have a good time.

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Speaker 2: It again.

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Speaker 1: If you and I were working this together, I can

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: To me, that could be taken one of two ways.

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Speaker 3: But to me, that's one of those things.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Nancy, We're going to leave tonight at nine point

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Speaker 2: Are you with me?

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Speaker 1: And I'm asking you are you down for whatever I'm

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Speaker 1: But for my heart to be empty, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: piece of evidence, or any piece of evidence.

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Speaker 3: Can I tell everybody about the grocery site?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but wait a minute, and I would put up

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Speaker 2: the evidence with one of the first witnesses and hope

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Speaker 2: the defense would be so cavalier that they would leave

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Speaker 2: it up the whole trial.

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Speaker 3: They would be.

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Speaker 2: Really get a good look at it.

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Speaker 3: This was the most brilliant thing I've ever witnessed. In

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Speaker 3: my life.

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Speaker 1: So here she was at trial, and the defense had

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Speaker 1: a pretty good chance of getting the jury's attention. So

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Speaker 1: Nancy is at the prosecution table. It's her investigator to

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Speaker 1: come in, and he's got a pretty good sized grocery sack,

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Speaker 1: the old brown sacks, and he whispers in her ear

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Speaker 1: and he hands it to her and puts it on

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Speaker 1: the prosecution table, and Nancy doesn't do anything.

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Speaker 3: She just sits there a minute. A few minutes goes by.

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Speaker 1: She takes that sack and she puts it down beside

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Speaker 1: her on the floor, next to her chair. Never opens it,

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Speaker 1: never looks in it, never talks about it. The jury's

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Speaker 1: watching that sack, baby, like, what in the world is

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Speaker 1: in that thing? A few minutes go by, she'll pick

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Speaker 1: it up, she'll put it back on the table. Never

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Speaker 1: opens it, never looks at it, never talks about it.

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Speaker 1: And then she might slide it to one side of

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Speaker 1: the table so she can make notes, so she can

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Speaker 1: move her legal pado. Tell him what happened at the end, Oh,

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Speaker 1: you go ahead. She never wants opened the bag, talked

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Speaker 1: about it, showed him anything, stuck her hand in it.

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Speaker 3: Nothing.

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Speaker 1: All they could do every single day hour by hour

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Speaker 1: is watched that bag. At the end of it, they

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Speaker 1: voted guilty.

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Speaker 2: Do you know it was in the bag?

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Speaker 3: No? I never knew what was in the bag. I

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Speaker 3: can't believe.

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Speaker 2: I never asked you think, think, think ee use that

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Speaker 2: noodle a brown paper bag from the crime lap And

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Speaker 2: it was evidence I couldn't use or that I wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to use. And it sat there and sat there

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Speaker 2: and sat there, and I couldn't decide what I wanted

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Speaker 2: to do with it because it was neither here nor there,

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Speaker 2: and I kept it. It was crime scene evidence of nothing.

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember what the evidence was anymore. But

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Speaker 2: it was something that somebody found somewhere and was completely

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Speaker 2: unrelated to the case. That's what it was.

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Speaker 3: Freaking genius, you know.

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Speaker 2: I remember one time when I was getting so irritated

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Speaker 2: with the defense, I finally couldn't take it anymore, and

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Speaker 2: I took my watch off and I in court and

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Speaker 2: I got to writing pins and I laid the watch

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Speaker 2: on the table. Wait was it a watch or a necklace?

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Speaker 2: It was a watch. And I fiddled with the watch

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Speaker 2: trying to fix it while I was listening to their

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Speaker 2: cross exam, which was not hurting me at all. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was like they were.

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Speaker 2: Reading isn't it true? Bah blah blah, and it didn't

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Speaker 2: even matter what the witness said. They go and isn't

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Speaker 2: it true? Blah blah blah. And I would look it

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Speaker 2: up every once in a while and go, Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I think they wanted to fix my watches as much

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Speaker 2: as I did. They were not paying the attention at all.

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Speaker 2: But this was a good one. I love to make

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Speaker 2: posters titled evidence Proving guilt, and every time I would

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Speaker 2: hear something else in corn, the went, oh, that's incriminating.

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Speaker 2: I would go over to the poster and write on

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Speaker 2: there with one of those matchup markers. One of my

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Speaker 2: favorite things to do during his trial.

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Speaker 3: Lord, i'm having flashbacks, I know.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it great?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we had such a great time. I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: the truth.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not over yet, Cheryl McCollum, It is not

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Speaker 2: over yet, right.

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Speaker 3: On, listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you were able to wrangle that cat like

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Speaker 1: the cowgirl you are.

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Speaker 3: I'm super cat.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to make a cat do anything?

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Speaker 2: If I want the dart to do anything, I just

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Speaker 2: throw a milk bone in that direction. Off he goes

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Speaker 2: the cat. She's like, are you kidding me? Forget I'd

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Speaker 2: rather starve than do what you want me to do.

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Speaker 3: Today, your workout in and the animals.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's all secure and everybody's there, the whole family.

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Speaker 3: So gratitude. Just be grateful. We're all good. But I

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Speaker 3: appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Cheryl, thank you. And I cannot wait for the

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Speaker 2: Corey Richards trial to start, for the Coburger trial to start.

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot to look forward to, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 1: By Buddy, my honey, I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is

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Speaker 1: the Crime Round Up with zones Heaven, no