WEBVTT - Making Peace With: The 2003 Fiesta Bowl 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.680 Welcome to the solid verbo. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:05.600 I'll that for me. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:08.200 I'm a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:10.680 be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.000 You want to be happy for Dake Edo State? 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:13.640 Is that? 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:14.440 Whoo whoom? 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:21.240 And Dan and Tie welcome back to the solid verbal 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.079 boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildebrand. Joinning me 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:30.320 from away over there and beautiful in sunny in southern California, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.879 raving out the pandemic in that California. Son, my man, 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:35.279 Dan Rubisteine, Sir, how are you? 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:36.199 Ty? 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.879 It's raining at the moment, but spirits remain sunny inside 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.479 my heart and soul. Because one, I'm connected with you 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:49.000 to talk about another weird, fun, interesting, large game from 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.839 college football lore or whatever word I'm looking for. And 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.640 two I'm I'm okay. You know, I can't complain. This 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.360 is a it's a strange time, but I'm happy to 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.560 be doing this. And I have a lot of thoughts, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.280 not just about the two thousand and three BCS Championship 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.440 game between Miami and Ohio State, but just the two 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.800 thousand and two season in general, the context of what 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.520 was going on during the college football season and the 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.319 world at large, and I got to tell you Tie 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.720 before you start plugging away at various places that you 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.000 can find us doing other things. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.319 The teas here is, I was furious. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.280 This game going back on YouTube and rewatching this game 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.920 because everybody remembers the game basically for I guess two 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.840 reasons because of something really really bad if you just 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.800 like the human body, and two really really bad if 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.120 you don't like to see controversy and a huge college 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.480 football game. But in fact, everything about this game and 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.640 season was a lot larger than that, and I am 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.480 very excited Tye to get into it with you. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.360 All Right, Well, we'll get to Dan's furious Bradley in 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.880 just a moment, but before we go any further, don't 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.720 forget to follow us out there on Twitter, on Instagram, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.640 on Facebook. We started doing some video stuff. We're going 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.760 to continue doing some video stuff. Obviously. Those social media 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.040 channels is where you can find out about it. First. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.680 If you haven't subscribed to the podcast, you can do 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.840 so anywhere you get your podcasts, And if you want 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.240 to participate in a conversation with other verballers, you can 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.640 do so at solid Verbal dot reddit dot com. The 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.919 subreddit commandeered by our good friend Peter Hoffman, who does 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.600 such a good job keeping that conversation going. As Dan said, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.360 today we are hopping in the DeLorean setting the date 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.160 for January third, two thousand and three. It was the 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.919 two thousand and three Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. It doubled as 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:54.480 the BCS National Championship game between Miami and Ohio State. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.200 Interestingly enough, January third was a Friday in two thousand 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:58.840 and three, Dan. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.079 I like that It's a date night college football tie, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.359 a little after New Year's Maybe the hangovers have worn off, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.000 and you get some takeout, you grab some beers, and 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.560 you watch the National Championship on a Friday night. I 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.359 don't hate it. It's not going to be good. It's 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.320 not gonna be as good for ratings as a Monday 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:14.800 night game. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.360 But I sort of liked that. Where were you in 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:23.000 life on January third, two thousand and three, So. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.320 I would have been in the middle of my sophomore 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.440 year of college, and more specifically geographically, I was on 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.720 winter break and watching this game from the bedroom of 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.320 an ex girlfriend who was in the room. I don't 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.640 think she was even in the room. I don't think 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:42.280 she cared about Big East football. But it was on 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:47.120 one of those small combo TV VCRs. So this is 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.360 squarely for everybody pretty much PREHD, but especially for me. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.000 Yeah, that's at four x three magic right there. Oh yeah, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.960 I was watching this game in my friend Dave's baby. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.040 We called it the Dave Cave at the time. It 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.160 was beautiful. Shout out Dave Cave. Shout out Dave k 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.960 had a pool table, had a poker table. I was 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.800 in the middle of my junior year up at Penn State. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.080 Everyone was home on break and I remember watching this game. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.520 Like you, I was a huge college football fan, right, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:18.960 you got to be to do a show like this 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.040 for as long as we have, but it was a 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.800 formative moment for me when Willis McGahee got hurt. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:33.920 Yeah, we've had some tough, major televised injuries, and that 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.080 was one of the first I could remember. Obviously, we 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.120 had the Louisville basketball one a few years ago. I 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.200 remember one at USC Ryan Podrell and an ankle, but 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.280 on a stage like this, and you know, going back, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.080 I was not old enough for Joe Thaisman in the eighties, 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.919 but on a stage like this with the replays that 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.400 were shown, and we'll get to this when we get 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.960 to the fourth quarter. It's a rough television tie, and 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.080 thank god it was an HD. Thank god rough television. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.159 It felt like it was CGI and not real life. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.680 I remember that. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:09.760 Injury seventeen years later like it was yesterday, and it 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.520 had an impact on me. It really did. It was 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.000 sort of like the first time I feel like I 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.280 had seen an injury that was quite as gruesome as that, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.320 and it just stuck with me. Not to mention all 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.159 the build up to this game and Miami entering this 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.039 game as this gorilla and Ohio State being a really 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.080 good team. There was all this pomp and circumstance around 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.800 this football game. But that McGahee injury. We'll get into, 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.120 as you said, the fourth quarter here momentarily and talk 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:38.920 a little bit more about it. It was called by 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:45.160 Keith Jackson the Legend and Dan Fouts as the color commentator. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.400 Lynn Swan and Todd Harris down on the sidelines. Also 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.960 had John Saunders and Terry Bowden working as studio hosts 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:53.920 in this football game. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.680 Dan An All Pacific Northwest Booth, Keith Jackson, Wazoo, Dan 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.880 Fouts Oregon. I like that didn't even realize that until 0:05:59.920 --> 0:06:04.919 just now, and pregame was a little dated. We can 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.840 get into the broadcast and what we sort of gleaned 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.400 from everything during the game, but I think it was 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.680 a Cal Ripkin junior coin toss. I think cal Ripken. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.760 I don't know what his stats were at this time, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.000 but it feels like he was still active. I could 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.640 not tell you when cal Ripkin retired. 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:23.880 Tie. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:25.480 You could have told me two thousand and six. You 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.440 could tell me twenty fourteen he would still start for 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.719 the Orioles. Let's be honest. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:30.840 Are they bad? Okay? 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:36.039 Yeah, before we get into the game itself and the pregame, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.960 and I'm sure there's terrible music going into this game. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.920 These two programs are two very different points. Even though 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.600 they're both undefeated and the clear choice for this national 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.760 championship game, Ohio State is sort of an upstart. The 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.760 John Cooper era was fine for a long stretch, but 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.440 he goes to ten and one against Gary Mueller, Lloyd 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.680 Carr and Michigan and Miami is the defending national champion. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.880 You mentioned them, the big gorilla in the stadium, and 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.400 they just run away from Nebraska the year before Nebraska 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.720 team that, Let's be honest, should not have even been 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.960 in the game. Nobody looks back. It's on the at 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.600 Nebraska was the right selection there. No, they shouldn't have 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.080 been in the game, and they played like it. Against Miami, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.200 Miami just trounced them. And then throughout the year, Miami 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.560 had a couple close calls pitt Florida State that was 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.840 a wide left game for Miami in that win. And 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.680 Ohio State is sort of eking by teams as they 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.360 learn to win. It's sort of a crawl before you walk, 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.320 walk before you run, and they're just learning to win, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.880 but they're pulling out close ones. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:37.640 You have the Holy. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.160 Buckeye game against Purdue to Michael Jenkins, a fourth down 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.000 crazy pass from Craig Crenzl to Michael Jenkins, and I 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.920 think there were a couple of Wisconsin was a close one. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.040 They just they have this very I want to say 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.240 lro season. That's how I would have described this team 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.200 and this program going into the game. If we had 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.200 a show back then. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.240 For It's fair four games in the two thousand and 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.720 two regular season where Ohio State won and did not 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.920 score twenty points nineteen to fourteen at Wisconsin, thirteen to 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.720 seven at home, over Penn State ten to six, and 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.480 a bit of a miracle game on the road in 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.240 West Lafayette over Purdue, and fourteen to nine at home 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:23.000 in the game over the Michigan Wolverines. So, you know, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.480 one thing that came to mind for me as I 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.720 did the research here was like, can you imagine a 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.280 situation in which Ohio State would win four games and 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.680 not score twenty points in twenty twenty? Like, that's incomprehensible 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.160 to me given where we're at in college football right now. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:42.880 There were a lot of things, by the way that 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.520 I saw in this game that I can't fathom being 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.120 part of the current day and age, but not scoring 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.960 more than twenty points and still winning seemed like, whoa, 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.079 that's that's a different era altogether. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.320 Yeah, we've seen close calls. We've seen teams that generally 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.120 generate a lot of points and go on to this 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.280 caliber of season have those down games where they win 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.439 seventeen fourteen or ten twelve, or obviously famously nine to six. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.000 But four times is a lot of times to eke 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.360 it out against not great competition. That year in the 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.560 Big Ten, there was certainly talent. If you look around 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.240 the conference Ohio State didn't have electric players on offense, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.040 perhaps outside of Maurice claret Craig Crenzel wasn't the reason 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.080 Ohio State was winning. It was you know, Chris Gamble 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.520 was probably a big reason because he was going both ways. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.839 But this was not an Ohio State team with the 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.040 type of talent. And I'm sure you have who went 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.120 on to the NFL in this game right in front 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.360 of you, but this was not This was not an 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.719 offense that led the way for Ohio State. You look 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.880 at the Big Ten that year and you know, huge names. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.199 Larry Johnson at Penn State led the way for the 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.120 Nitney Lions. Charles Rogers was you know, borderline unguardable from 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:51.880 Michigan State. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.720 Yeah, incredible at Michigan State. Yeah. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:58.960 Brad Banks to Dallas Clark at Iowa, Anthony Davis at Wisconsin. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.000 They're you know, big names, big yardage, big points, and 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.800 Ohio State players. Even though Maurice Clarett was both really 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.080 really good, he was also a workhorse. He wasn't a 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.640 home run hitter every week, but even when he wasn't, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.079 he was churning out first downs and helping to pace 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.480 this offense. And if not for Maurice Clarett. They definitely 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:20.560 lose at least one game. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.880 Oh for sure. We'll get into clarette here. Yeah, as 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.199 we talk about this specific game. As you said, though, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.080 there was a ton of talent on the field for 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.760 this particular game. And I got this from the Columbus 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:37.880 Post dispatch. Forty three starters that night, and you double 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.800 count Chris Gamble obviously because he played both ways. Thirty 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:46.400 seven of them were chosen in some NFL draft, not 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.880 all the same one, but eighty six percent chosen in 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.880 the NFL draft, and a bunch of backups in this 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.240 football game were also chosen. I think one hundred people 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:01.439 participated in this football game. Fifty eight of them played 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.160 in at least one NFL game, and eighteen of them 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.920 went on to be first round draft picks. So you know, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.640 Will Smith, Chris Gamble, Michael Jenkins, AJ Hawk, and Bobby 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.560 Carpenter were young but on those teams, as well as 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.600 Nick Mangold, who had a cup of coffee in this 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:21.080 football game along the offensive line. But everyone knows about 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.400 Miami when they think about talent in this day and age, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:31.000 Andre Johnson, Sean Taylor, Kellen Winslow, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.680 who's a monster college. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.880 By the way, Matt Wilford in this game is a 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:41.280 rotation player, doesn't start. The best modern nos tackle in 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.800 football doesn't even start in this game. 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:44.319 And he's young. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.560 I think he's a freshman this year. He's early on 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.600 in his Miami career, but he's inserted early on and 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.280 makes like three enormous players like, oh, it's just a 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.360 rotation nose tackle for Miami. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:55.480 Yeah, cool cool. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.880 Also Entrell Roll, Yeah, I mean that second general, Kelly 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.680 Jennings Andrell Roland, Sean Taylor in the Miami secondary throwing 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.760 into that even if you're more talented and more accomplished 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.120 than Craig Krenzel. Not super fun sounding tie. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.640 No, no, no no. Miami came into this game though, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:21.439 in a much different situation. They were defending national champions right, Yes, they're. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.080 Defending national champs and by and large, and I mentioned this, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.600 they kill a lot of teams. They beat up on 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.880 Virginia Tech. That's their final game of the season. I 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.160 think they dropped fifty or sixty points and just demolish them. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.000 Willis mcgahee's starting in the backfield. Ken Dorsey by the way, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.719 great Tom Hammond game, because I think Dorsey was a 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:45.480 double major and Craig Krenzel was molecular biology. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.160 So you would have brought up that molecular biology major 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.520 and GPA Todd Harris during this game and during the 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.560 broadcast had a little quip, a little quip about this 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.520 that was very hammid esk but he was just a 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:03.440 sideline reporter at the time. Brought that up doublet game 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.679 on the line, of course, that's when he would have 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:06.240 brought that up. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:11.360 Yeah. So, yeah, there was the cast of characters. The 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.280 cast of characters in this game was exceptional. The broadcast, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.240 I think got started out with Limp Biscuits rolling, rolling, Rolling. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:25.880 Yep, you had a wonderful highlight package of two very 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:30.480 successful seasons by Miami and Ohio State laid down on 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:34.760 a comfy bed of rollin by Limp Biscuit. Yeah, so 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.240 there was there was suitable hype. There was. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.160 You know, obviously when you have Keith Jackson Dan Fouts 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:41.800 in this air in the booth, that's a big deal. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.800 No no controversy going into this game. It wasn't the 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.319 following year, I believe, when Auburn goes undefeated and is 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.880 left out. It was Miami and Ohio State both undefeated. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.640 Iowa finishes eleven and one. That's the Brad Banks team. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.280 They end up losing to USC in the Orange Bowl. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.640 Usc As Carson Palmer who wins the Heisman. David Green 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.720 is in one of his eleven seasons for Georgia. Darren 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.080 Sprowl's completely wrecking shop. For Kansas State, they finished in 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.600 the top ten. Jason Gesser and Wazoo, Chris Sims in 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.600 Texas I mentioned Larry Johnson and Penn State. Notre Dame 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.000 wins ten games this season. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.880 Hi, they won ten games and then got destroyed by 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.080 Philip Rivers. I want to say in NC State and 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.840 the Gator Bowl. Okay, fair enough, it was a good 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:28.640 year actually for quarterbacks. The Oregon team that I want 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.400 to say, they went six and six, seven and five 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.240 something like that. They end up in the Seattle Bowl tie. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.400 I'm sure you have a lot of precious Seattle Bowl memory. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.760 We all remember our first Seattle Bowl. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:45.320 They got beaten pretty handily by Wake Forest in the 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.560 Seattle Bowl. They lost, God, they lost comfortably I think 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.720 to Oregon State. In the Civil War, this was it 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.400 was a Jason Fife taking over for Joey Harrington year 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.320 and outside Ontario Smith, mister Wizzenader himself was the highlight 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.920 of this Oregon team, but not a fun year to 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:02.800 be a Duck fan. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:08.240 Specifically with regard to this football game. Miami and Ohio 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.520 State descended upon Sun Devil Stadium for the Fiesta Ball. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.400 At the time, this was long before we had the 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.080 stadium in Glendale and they were competing for the Circuit 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:24.160 City BCS Trophy. Daniel, hell yeah, Circuit City Hell yeah. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.120 Or service to the State of the Art. We also had 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:33.600 a PlayStation two team comparison graphic that Dan Fouts was 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:35.840 happy to commentate over. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:41.680 Did you ever see Will Ferrell's Dan Fouts Dan Fouts 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.720 Will Ferreld Dan shouts and it's incredible. It's he's just 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.640 he plays Dan Fouts as if Dan Fouts is just coasting. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.800 Just he's like, that's right. Was this the skit where 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.680 he talked about like the team that has the most 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.400 points is going to win the game? Yeah? I think so. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.920 I think it was just the most generic by the book. Yeah, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:09.160 it was great. So looking back now, just from a 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:13.680 big picture twenty twenty perspective, Yeah, what are some of 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:18.440 your observations of not Miami and Ohio State and the 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.239 way this game shook out, but just the game of football. 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.240 So this is right ahead of the sort of beginning 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.800 of the mainstream spread revolution. What Urban Meyer is doing 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:33.400 at Utah, we have some early air raidingis with Cliff 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.920 Kingsbury as the quarterback, I think completes almost five hundred passes. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.840 In second place was like three hundred and fifty. So 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:45.120 we're seeing the slow you're seeing, you know, the percolation, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.360 some sizzling bubbles of modern offense. You know Rex Grossman 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.240 at Florida, they're opening things up. Obviously still in the 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.720 fun and gun. This is I think right ahead of 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.600 the ron Zook era. Timmy Chang and Hawaii are throwing 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.960 the ball all around, so there is at least there 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.480 are early bubbles of modernization. But what Ohio State does 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.679 to get here is defense and ball control and trying 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.280 to not turn the ball over. And what Miami does 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.119 to get here is relying on its incredible stable of talent. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.800 And it worked for both of them getting here. But 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.200 ultimately what made me furious was probably the word discipline 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.639 or lack thereof, when you actually watch the game. 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:32.240 I was blown away by how big the players were. Yeah, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.520 it feels like the players were bigger, at least wearing 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.600 bigger pads. Yeah, the pads were huge. The pads made 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.800 them all look squared off, like they were Abrams tanks. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.400 It was ridiculous. But maybe because it was pre spread 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.960 era and defensive players didn't need to be as versatile 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.840 and agile, maybe they could be bigger. I don't know, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.199 but it it felt like these guys were bigger. There 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.840 was certainly no targeting, But that being said, the thing 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:04.120 that really stood out was just how enormous everyone looked. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:09.360 Matt Wilhelm for like, he looked like a perfect sphere 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.119 with all the padding he had, hit the neck roll, 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.440 gigantic shoulder pads, a bunch of Michelin men out there. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:17.920 I mean, you mentioned PS two tie. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.040 If you remember was it NFL game day, was that 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.120 one of the big that was an NFL game day 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.040 was the game where you could just loft it up right, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.600 But if you remember what the players in that game 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.120 look like, they looked like tanks. They were all squared 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.720 off and it wasn't unrealistic. That was just the look. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.159 This was back before Jim Tressel was gray. It was 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.560 what his second year at Ohio State, second year for 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.920 both head coaches, much like the last game we did. Actually, Yeah, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.320 had a little bit of a Ned Flanders feel to him, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.159 didn't he. I don't think it was just limited to this. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.000 I mean he didn't have the mustache, but he had 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.800 the sweater, he had the Koif hair, sort of blatter 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.959 boy air about him, the glasses, that's true, but very 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.600 proper on the sidelines, and had led a very successful 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.199 campaign to that point. What was your take on this 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:07.840 football game? 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:08.120 Dan? 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.800 How did you feel watching this after all these years? 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.199 I actually was really entertained, even though it made me 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.399 furious and there were things that I didn't like about it. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:25.000 The Craig Krenzell thing annoyed me. The fact that the 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.440 fact that I had to sit through a national championship 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.000 game watching Craig Crenzell attempt to run an offense was rough. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.080 Craig Krenzel led the team in rushing. He had eighty 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.320 one yards. He had more rushing yardage than Maurice Clorette. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:42.080 I kept thinking when watching the Ohio State offense that 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.320 Craig Krenzel looks like what I would look like if 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.040 you were like to put me in charge of a 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.840 chili's without any notice, put me in charge of a 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:52.840 jamba juice where it's just like, I don't know where 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:54.760 the strawberries are. I don't know where you plug in 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.800 the blenders. I'm gonna smash all these peaches and kiwis 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.840 and put them in a cup. I understand that's not 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.600 what a smooth he's supposed to look like, but I'm 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.400 just doing what I can. That's what the Craig crensil 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:05.760 experience felt like to me. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.720 But he so. He was nine for no. Seven for 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.199 twenty one okay, and two interceptions. Not great as a thrower, 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.679 but had eighty one yards on the ground and two touchdowns. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.159 And to his credit, he had some bigger moments in 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.040 this game. It wasn't flawless by any stretch, but there 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.399 were some big moments. We talk about often on the 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.280 show how guys win moments. Crenzell won some moments in 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.600 this game. Clarette won some moments in this game. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.680 So Ohio State stays in the game early without being 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.640 able to do anything on offense, because early on Will 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.600 Smith might be the best player on the field, He's unblockable. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.200 He's getting to Ken Dorsey, and the Miami offensive rhythm 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:50.520 is totally off. He connects a little bit with Andre Johnson, who, 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.879 by the way, Andre Johnson, a name may be lost 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.000 to time because of the way his NFL career sort 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:01.120 of ended pretty quickly, but Andre Johnson and I think 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.480 it was Larry Fitzgerald played in the same game in 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.639 the season as did Andre Johnson and Kwon Bolden for 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.960 the Florida State game. He was unguardable in this game, 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.000 and I'm sure he was unguardable all season long. 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.879 And he couldn't. You couldn't guard Andrew Johnson. He was 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:19.040 six I think they said six' three two fifteen to two. Twenty, 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.200 yes maybe not. Totally i'm just, heavy but just unguardable 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:22.920 in college. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.520 Unguardable AND i Thought Ohio state largely did a really 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:31.280 good job of taking away the. Sidelines and this Is 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.800 Mark dantonio calling The Ohio state. Defense they completely Stuff 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.880 willis mcgahey and The miami running, game which really did pace. 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.840 Them as good As Ken dorsey, was he was WHAT 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:44.600