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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbo.

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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 4: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 4: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for Dake Edo State?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildebrand. Joinning me

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Speaker 1: from away over there and beautiful in sunny in southern California,

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Speaker 1: raving out the pandemic in that California. Son, my man,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubisteine, Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Ty?

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Speaker 4: It's raining at the moment, but spirits remain sunny inside

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Speaker 4: my heart and soul. Because one, I'm connected with you

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Speaker 4: to talk about another weird, fun, interesting, large game from

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Speaker 4: college football lore or whatever word I'm looking for. And

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Speaker 4: two I'm I'm okay. You know, I can't complain. This

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Speaker 4: is a it's a strange time, but I'm happy to

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Speaker 4: be doing this. And I have a lot of thoughts,

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Speaker 4: not just about the two thousand and three BCS Championship

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Speaker 4: game between Miami and Ohio State, but just the two

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Speaker 4: thousand and two season in general, the context of what

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Speaker 4: was going on during the college football season and the

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Speaker 4: world at large, and I got to tell you Tie

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Speaker 4: before you start plugging away at various places that you

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Speaker 4: can find us doing other things.

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Speaker 1: The teas here is, I was furious.

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Speaker 4: This game going back on YouTube and rewatching this game

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Speaker 4: because everybody remembers the game basically for I guess two

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Speaker 4: reasons because of something really really bad if you just

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Speaker 4: like the human body, and two really really bad if

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Speaker 4: you don't like to see controversy and a huge college

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Speaker 4: football game. But in fact, everything about this game and

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Speaker 4: season was a lot larger than that, and I am

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Speaker 4: very excited Tye to get into it with you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, we'll get to Dan's furious Bradley in

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Speaker 1: just a moment, but before we go any further, don't

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Speaker 1: so anywhere you get your podcasts, And if you want

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Speaker 1: subreddit commandeered by our good friend Peter Hoffman, who does

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Speaker 1: such a good job keeping that conversation going. As Dan said,

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Speaker 1: today we are hopping in the DeLorean setting the date

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Speaker 1: for January third, two thousand and three. It was the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. It doubled as

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Speaker 1: the BCS National Championship game between Miami and Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, January third was a Friday in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three, Dan.

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Speaker 4: I like that It's a date night college football tie,

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Speaker 4: a little after New Year's Maybe the hangovers have worn off,

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Speaker 4: and you get some takeout, you grab some beers, and

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Speaker 4: don't hate it. It's not going to be good. It's

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Speaker 1: But I sort of liked that. Where were you in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's at four x three magic right there. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was watching this game in my friend Dave's baby.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was home on break and I remember watching this game.

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Speaker 4: You could have told me two thousand and six. You

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Speaker 4: You mentioned them, the big gorilla in the stadium, and

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Speaker 1: For It's fair four games in the two thousand and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen close calls. We've seen teams that generally

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Speaker 1: Post dispatch. Forty three starters that night, and you double

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Speaker 4: By the way, Matt Wilford in this game is a

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Speaker 4: I think he's a freshman this year. He's early on

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Speaker 1: No, no, no no. Miami came into this game though,

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Speaker 4: Defending national champs and by and large, and I mentioned this,

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Speaker 1: So you would have brought up that molecular biology major

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, yeah, there was the cast of characters. The

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Speaker 1: Yep, you had a wonderful highlight package of two very

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Speaker 4: No no controversy going into this game. It wasn't the

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Speaker 4: following year, I believe, when Auburn goes undefeated and is

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Speaker 4: Iowa finishes eleven and one. That's the Brad Banks team.

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Speaker 1: Hi, they won ten games and then got destroyed by

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Speaker 4: They got beaten pretty handily by Wake Forest in the

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Speaker 1: Specifically with regard to this football game. Miami and Ohio

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Speaker 1: a PlayStation two team comparison graphic that Dan Fouts was

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Speaker 4: Did you ever see Will Ferrell's Dan Fouts Dan Fouts

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Speaker 1: Just he's like, that's right. Was this the skit where

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Speaker 4: So this is right ahead of the sort of beginning

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Speaker 4: at Utah, we have some early air raidingis with Cliff

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Speaker 4: we're seeing the slow you're seeing, you know, the percolation,

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Speaker 1: I was blown away by how big the players were. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: If you remember was it NFL game day, was that

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Speaker 4: But if you remember what the players in that game

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Speaker 1: This was back before Jim Tressel was gray. It was

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Speaker 1: I mean he didn't have the mustache, but he had

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Speaker 1: boy air about him, the glasses, that's true, but very

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Speaker 2: Dan?

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Speaker 1: How did you feel watching this after all these years?

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Speaker 4: I actually was really entertained, even though it made me

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Speaker 4: The Craig Krenzell thing annoyed me. The fact that the

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Speaker 4: game watching Craig Crenzell attempt to run an offense was rough.

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Speaker 1: Craig Krenzel led the team in rushing. He had eighty

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Speaker 4: I kept thinking when watching the Ohio State offense that

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Speaker 4: you were like to put me in charge of a

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Speaker 4: jamba juice where it's just like, I don't know where

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Speaker 4: the blenders. I'm gonna smash all these peaches and kiwis

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Speaker 4: and put them in a cup. I understand that's not

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Speaker 1: But he so. He was nine for no. Seven for

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Speaker 1: show how guys win moments. Crenzell won some moments in

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Speaker 4: So Ohio State stays in the game early without being

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Speaker 4: Smith might be the best player on the field, He's unblockable.

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Speaker 4: He's getting to Ken Dorsey, and the Miami offensive rhythm

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Speaker 4: is totally off. He connects a little bit with Andre Johnson, who,

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Speaker 4: the season as did Andre Johnson and Kwon Bolden for

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Speaker 4: the Florida State game. He was unguardable in this game,

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure he was unguardable all season long.

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Speaker 1: And he couldn't. You couldn't guard Andrew Johnson. He was

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Speaker 4: Unguardable AND i Thought Ohio state largely did a really

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Speaker 4: Mark dantonio calling The Ohio state. Defense they completely Stuff

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Speaker 4: willis mcgahey and The miami running, game which really did pace.

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Speaker 4: Them as good As Ken dorsey, was he was WHAT

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Speaker 4: i think would be come to come to be known

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Speaker 4: To Kellen, winslow get it To Andre. Johnson just don't

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Speaker 4: willis McGahee from two thousand and, two deceptive speed and

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Speaker 4: would have thrived if he had come along really in any.

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Speaker 4: up twenty three hundred. Yards he Was he was a downhill,

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Speaker 1: Remember cut and, go cut and. Go he was great at, That,

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Speaker 1: yeah he. Was he was much bigger THAN i. Remember

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Speaker 1: so it Was Clarette clarett was a big. Kid, yeah oh,

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Speaker 1: in this. Game the final score here was thirty one

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Speaker 1: total turnovers in this, game five By. Miami perhaps that's

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Speaker 1: THAT i did want to call Out, dan you Mentioned Craig.

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Speaker 1: Crenzel Ken dorsey was thirty eight and one going into

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Speaker 1: a long long he. Wasn't turns out the scouts are

433
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: right About Ken. Dorsey and if you watched the first

434
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: quarter of this, game AS i did before one of

435
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Speaker 1: Our instagram live, feeds you came away pretty impressed With Ken.

436
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: Dorsey the other three quarters not so much turn the

437
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: ball over a bunch of. Times he had a good

438
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: fourth quarter ish, yeah ish. YEAH a lot of unintentional

439
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: back shoulder throws by both of these quarterbacks in this football.

440
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: Game is that fair to?

441
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 4: Say, Yeah, Well Ken dorsey's second quarter might. Be i'm

442
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 4: not going to go through every quarterback who's played in

443
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: A National championship game since two. Thousand Ken dorsey's second

444
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 4: quarter two picks and a fumble stripsack? Fumble is that

445
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 4: the worst from.

446
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: A quarterback in the modern? Era modern ish modern?

447
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 4: Era and by the, way the game is tied going

448
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 4: into overtime at. Seventeen do you know how many Yards

449
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: Ohio state had to put together to score seventeen points

450
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: their combined scoring drive?

451
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: Yardage what it? WAS i don't. Know i'm going to

452
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: guess like one seventy.

453
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 4: Five So Ohio state scores two touchdowns and they kick

454
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: a field, goal a forty four yard field goal to

455
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 4: get in position to score those. Points seventeen yard, drive

456
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: fourteen yard, drive one yard. Drive, wow my rudimentary math

457
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 4: says it's a thirty two yards of scoring yardage For

458
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 4: Ohio state in this. Game good teams take advantage of.

459
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 4: Opportunities Ohio state took advantage of. Opportunities miami gifted them this.

460
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 4: Game and so if you are going to look back

461
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 4: in this game and say THAT pi should never have

462
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 4: been called and it, Was miami was.

463
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: Robbed, no, no, no, NO i don't.

464
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: Know miami gave this game away a lot earlier than

465
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: arguably a referee. Did and so that's what made me,

466
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 4: furious because When miami could move the. Ball it was

467
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: largely down the middle From Ken dorsey And Kellen winslow

468
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: had an amazing. Game AND i think we'll talk About

469
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 4: Ken Kellen winslow With Bruce, feldman who was there and

470
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 4: after we discussed this game, ourselves for his sort of full.

471
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: Context but this game was taken From miami by Both

472
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 4: miami and The Ohio state. Defense so that's why the

473
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 4: in retrospect THAT pi changed, everything even THOUGH i don't

474
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: think it WAS. Pi i'm not on board with that.

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00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: Narrative, Okay, well you mentioned, defense AND i am on

476
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: board with that. Narrative both defenses were, incredibly very very. Good,

477
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: yeah and you need look no further than what both

478
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: of these teams did on the. Ground so we talked about,

479
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: McGahee we talked About clarett mcgaye had three point four

480
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: yards per. Carry colorette had just two yards per. Carry

481
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: clorette had some big moments in this football, game Which

482
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: i'm going to bring up here just a little. Bit

483
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: but the defenses were, very very stout in this football.

484
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: Game Ken dorsey was under pressure the entire, game certainly

485
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: as we got into. Overtime Craig krenzel was running for his.

486
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: Life did you see the?

487
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: Hits there was a graphic was like the number of

488
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: knockdowns and sacks and hits Like Craig crenslatt deep into

489
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter had been hit like twenty eight. Times

490
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 4: it was crazy over and it was a relentless. Pressure

491
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 4: and the fact that he was able to stand in.

492
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: There he took a hit From Jonathan, vilma which would

493
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: have posted that On.

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Speaker 1: Twitter Race. GAME i posted that On.

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Speaker 4: Twitter Jonathan villma lifted it like he Lifted Craig crenzel so.

496
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 4: High it was like a child being lifted to dunk

497
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 4: his or her first basketball and driven into the. Ground

498
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 4: the fact that he was able to keep getting. UP

499
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 4: i JUST i tiped my audio hat To Craig krenzel

500
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: because that's it's one of the guttiest performances from a

501
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: quarterback on a.

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00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: Stage this. Bick miami leads after the first quarter seven to.

503
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: Zero Ohio state comes. Back they take advantage of some

504
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: of those turnovers three turnovers again in the second. Quarter

505
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: they score fourteen. Points they lead fourteen to seven going

506
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: in at. Halftime as the teams come out in the second,

507
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Half miami draws a little bit. Closer after three, quarters

508
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: they trail seventeen to. Fourteen, yeah a nice run from

509
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: a game headed into the final stanza and Then miami

510
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: kicks a field goal to tie it up at seventeen

511
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: before we go into, overtime seventeen seventeen after four. QUARTERS

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00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: i watched this game and was incredibly bored by those

513
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: first four. Quarters it's it's tough not to.

514
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: BE i mean the fact That Ohio state's offense was

515
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 4: set up to just give the ball To Maurice claret

516
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 4: without a lot of creativity and not Trusting Craig krenzel

517
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: at one, point so that on the field goal drive

518
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: where they got they had one yard of offense and

519
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: they kick a forty four yard field Goal Mike, nugent

520
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: by the, way come, ON nfl kicker for a long.

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00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 4: Time third and twelve from The miami, thirty and you're, thinking,

522
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: okay they just got a this is this is a big.

523
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: Game you got to you gotta get a big play,

524
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 4: here draw out of shotgun For Craig krenzel for like six.

525
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: Yards it was Just you're, right it was a very

526
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: boring because of those. Turnovers, NOW i will say one

527
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: of The craig crenzil interceptions was such a terrible decision

528
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: that if you're not entertained By Craig crenzel rolling out

529
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: pump faking like three times then launching it forty yards

530
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: down the field into double, coverage you don't like. Football

531
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: you also don't like football if you can't Admire Sean

532
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: taylor then tipping that ball to himself as he's falling,

533
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: backwards as he's trained back all the. Time, yeah all

534
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: time college football. Safety so at least we have some

535
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: moments like. That you can pre s the talent of

536
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: The Ohio state defense and especially that secondary With Chris

537
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: gamble And Will, smith you, know looking unblockable upfront for The,

538
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: Buckeyes but you have to appreciate individual moments more than

539
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 4: you can the back and forth and the talent and

540
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: the creativity and the punch counter punch, element because just

541
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: wasn't really there.

542
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Well and this is part of what makes college football

543
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: and the sport of football as a whole so unique

544
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: in the world of. Sports, yeah the schemes were so,

545
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: different so. Different when was the last time you saw

546
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: A power five team run a pro set offense and

547
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback wasn't in the shock Like Ohio state did

548
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: that multiple times in this football. Game it was just

549
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: a different.

550
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: Era we've seen it From stanford a little, recently but

551
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: even they've evolved. Exactly so in looking back at this,

552
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 4: game LIKE i remember all the scuttle butt about how

553
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: this is one of the Great miami teams of all,

554
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: time even a couple of years removed from the football,

555
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: game not Just miami teams but teams in, general with

556
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: all the talent they had on the, field and in watching,

557
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: back it's just impossible to compare. Eras it's impossible because

558
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: schemes are, different players were conditioned. Differently you almost can't

559
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: compare this era Of miami football to any other football

560
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: team that we see in the Modern, age what we

561
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: call the Modern age now seventeen years, later because of

562
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: how different the schemes. Were it was just a totally

563
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: different football game to watch. Back and you, KNOW i

564
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: GUESS i felt bad about the fact THAT i was

565
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 4: bored watching, it but to a large EXTENT i. Was

566
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: there was an extreme lack of creativity compared to what

567
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: we're used to seeing On saturdays. Now SO i like

568
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: to the, Defenses i'll come away and SAY i like the.

569
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: Defenses and even though there is you, know watching what

570
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: twenty twenty eyes isn't fair to this era at, all

571
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: there was an element Of miami and this goes back

572
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 4: to all of the success they had over THE i

573
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: guess the fifteen years leading up to this. Game they

574
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 4: were built around speed over. SIZE i think ahead of

575
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: a lot of other. Teams they had, normal you, know

576
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 4: guys who were the size of safeties playing. Linebacker they

577
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: had some guys who are typically the size of linebackers

578
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: playing defensive. End they were built around, speed and they

579
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: looked like the more, Athletic they looked like the more

580
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 4: confident team you. Watch you, Know Roscoe parrish who was

581
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 4: the number two receiver Alongside Andre johnson Or Kellen winslow

582
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: at his, size being as fast as he, Was miami

583
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 4: building around speed was ahead of their. Time certainly they

584
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: have the recruiting advantages of being In South, florida but

585
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 4: speedover size was certainly something that you can, Say, Okay

586
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: miami is the if not or is one of if

587
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 4: not the pioneer about that. Notion and so THAT i

588
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: came away with That we're just like it was a

589
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: well called defense and it wasn't just one dude making

590
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: a tackle in the open. Field there were so many

591
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: fast dudes on That miami defense that they was just

592
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 4: it was gang tag all over the. Place SO i

593
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: will say that has held up really.

594
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: Well before we go any, Further, dan what else was

595
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: going on On january, third two thousand, three not just in,

596
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: football but like, Culturally i'm glad you.

597
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: ASKED i had a radio SHOW kwva on The Morning.

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Speaker 4: Wood that Was Morning. Wood that was what it was.

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Speaker 4: Huge lord of The rings. Guy But i've seen. It it's,

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Speaker 1: Line was very. UNDERRATED i love that.

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Speaker 2: Movie it was.

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Speaker 4: millionaire PREMIERED i think really close to this, game maybe

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Speaker 4: like a week after On fox and that was a.

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Speaker 1: Show, YEAH i love that. Show Evan. Marriott, yeah watched

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00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: every second of. It so, yeah it was that was

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three before we get into. Overtime, yeah

620
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: who was the best player on the. Field i'm gonna

621
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Speaker 1: Ask bruce when we have him, on but who was

622
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: who was the best player on the? Field because there's

623
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: like two different ways that you can look at. It

624
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you can look at it from a talent, perspective, right

625
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: who just seemed like they had more? Talent Like Kellen

626
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: winslow is a really a really strong. Answer Kellen winsoll

627
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: was unguardable in this. Game he rose to the. Occasion,

628
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: yeah you go with pure talent With Kellen winslow Or

629
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: Andre johnson or Even Sean taylor who had what two

630
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: INTERCEPTIONS i think in this, game or do you go

631
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: to go with someone Like clarette who's very, good very,

632
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: good but one moments didn't stand out with any kind

633
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: of pyrotechnic offensive. Display but one Moment's Craig. Krenzel you,

634
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: know seven of twenty one passing two, picks wasn't, great

635
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: but led the team in rushing and won some moments

636
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: in his own. Right which direction do you go with that,

637
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Question i'm gonna Go.

638
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: Vilma i'm going to go the sort of heartbeat in

639
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: the middle of That miami. Defense he was all over the.

640
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: Place AND i Mentioned Craig crenzel taking the abuse that he.

641
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: Did there were five shots From, vilma so he's all

642
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: over the. Place they completely Stopped, clarette who had been

643
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: the heartbeat of The Ohio state, offense and just in

644
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: terms of pure talent and what he was asked to,

645
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: do what he was asked to do in coverage and

646
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 4: largely just Keeping miami focused on stopping the run From Ohio.

647
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 4: State to, me that was the dude in the. Game

648
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: Sean taylor made, plays certainly the early. On Will smith

649
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: made a ton of plays and kept a ton of

650
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: pressure on The miami offensive, line which Prevented Duck kanes

651
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: from getting in any sort of. Rhythm BUT i think It's.

652
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: Vilma looking back on the, game he was who really

653
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: popped for me.

654
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: From a talent, perspective the. ANSWERS i mean you could

655
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: list a number of people For.

656
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: MIAMI i mean Trust gamble, too but they just on,

657
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: offense they weren't doing.

658
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Much Sean taylor stood out to. Me vilma had an incredible,

659
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: game just was in the backfield the entire. Game BUT

660
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: i THINK i Go corette. Here Interesting corette had to

661
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: play of the game when he stripped an interception. Away

662
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: yeah that was the second, half in the third. QUARTER

663
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: i want to say he had some big runs, late

664
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: even though he didn't have the stats to really back it.

665
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Up but LIKE i said, earlier was bigger THAN i.

666
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Remembered it really seemed to just find a couple key

667
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: moments late in that game where he made his presence.

668
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: Felt and he had a huge year that. Year you,

669
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: Know Maurice colerette was a big. Name but in this,

670
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: game in, particular the stats weren't, there the moments, were and,

671
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: those to, me after watching back after all these, years

672
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: those were really what stood out in a game, that

673
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: for for again four quarters WAS i felt pretty.

674
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: BORING i totally forgot about that, play the clarette. STRIPPING

675
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: i think it was A miami's. SAFETY i don't REMEMBER

676
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: i Was Sean taylor or. Not But Craig crenzel finally

677
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 4: gets the ball downfield successfully and then the next, player

678
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: the player a couple plays after, that throws a pick

679
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: in the end. Zone brought out of the end zone

680
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 4: forty fifty. Yards Maurice clorette is the one tackling the

681
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: then ball carrier and strips him and gets the ball

682
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 4: back For Ohio. State that was Just you're. Right it

683
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: was probably the most impressive single play of the.

684
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Game so then we go to. Overtime the game is

685
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: tied at. Seventeen, yeah and that's when this game gets really.

686
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: Interesting we Had Ken dorsey getting hurt in double overtime

687
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: after a shot From Matt. Wilhelm we had a backup

688
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: From miami coming in to complete a pass to a full.

689
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: Back no. Less but this, GAME i think for a

690
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: great number of us who go back and watch or

691
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: at least remember, it are going to remember a very

692
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: controversial pass interference call that went Against miami And Glenn.

693
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: Sharp was it or was it? Not pass?

694
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 4: Interference, so AS i mentioned, EARLIER i think it WAS

695
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 4: i think it WAS. PI i think the ball and

696
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: who is THE dB Glenn? Sharp Glenn, SHARP i think

697
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: My sharp and the ball arrived at the same, time

698
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 4: AND i think it Was it was far too close

699
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: in that moment to definitively. Call then it was, said,

700
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 4: oh it was holding and it was a late. FLAG

701
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: i thought it. Was it was really poorly. Done i'm

702
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 4: not big on haranguing about, officials because a lot goes

703
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: into a game beyond that just single. PLAY i thought it,

704
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: was BUT i don't think it means that we should

705
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: look back and Say miami was. Jobbed you turn the

706
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: ball over five, times you have, opportunities so it's tough to.

707
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: Win when you turn the ball over five, times and

708
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: it just really don't deserve to. Win the fact that

709
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: they were still in the game at that point in

710
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: time totally a bit of a miracle unto. Itself but

711
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: here's what. Happens it's fourth and. Three Craig krenzel tries

712
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: to throw a ball To Chris. Gamble it bounces off his.

713
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: Hands they call pass interference On Glenn. SHARP i don't

714
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: think it was pass. Interference really really tough callah in

715
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: that spot in the, Game but they get a fresh

716
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: set of.

717
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: Downs and by the, way by the, way The miami,

718
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: sideline the flag came in so late and under the

719
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: radar that The miami they rushed and started pouring onto

720
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: the field in that, Moment, yeah.

721
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: They rush the. Field Ohio state gets the ball, fresh

722
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: set of. Downs Craig crenzel runs in for one yard.

723
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: Touchdown third. Down, yeah ties the game up at twenty.

724
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: Four in double over, time they get the ball. First

725
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: in the next overtime, period they score a. Touchdown miami

726
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: does not. Correct Maurice corrett scores a game when he.

727
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: Touchdown that's all she, wrote thirty one two twenty. Four

728
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: the winning streak is. Over Ohio state is your improbable national.

729
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 4: Champion and on top of all of, that we have

730
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 4: a moment in the fourth quarter that completely leaves you

731
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 4: to this day and me to this day in a

732
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: little bit of. Horror and It's willis McGahee and in

733
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: what seems like an ordinary run and an ordinary, tackle

734
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 4: he sort of has his legs taken out from underneath

735
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 4: him by An Ohio state. Player is just. Wrecked his

736
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: knee is completely. Destroyed it goes the wrong. Way he

737
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: tears three, ligaments.

738
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: A L mcl and.

739
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 4: WHAT i don't even know what the other LCLOR, plcl

740
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 4: all of the acronus ski and he IS i mean

741
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: for this even Though Andre johnson is the clear top

742
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: talent for this, offense just what he looks like compared

743
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: to other people who play his. Position, well it's McGahee

744
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: is the one touching the ball and pacing this offense

745
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 4: and is an incredible talent and one OF i think

746
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: the year before it was, McGahee portois And Frank gore

747
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: all on the same on the same.

748
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Backfield this is just. Stupid these are.

749
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: Consters, yeah it's, comical and so mcgahe's that. Dude they

750
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: Bringing Jared payton to come in at the, end but

751
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: what that must do to a team. Emotionally i'm not

752
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: saying this is losing the game For, miami but to

753
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: be able to gather yourself to drive down to tie the,

754
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 4: GAME i Just Ohio state weathering all of this on

755
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: a neutral field is so impressive to. Me they took

756
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: advantage of. Opportunities but, man what the emotion that must

757
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 4: have been coursing through the, sideline The miami sideline throughout

758
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: this fourth, quarter throughout the. GAME i can't even imagine they.

759
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 4: Were they were very well. Coached Ohio state was to

760
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 4: play defensively as well as they, did and to hang

761
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: around in the manner that they did was it was.

762
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: Notable and obviously they won the national championpire thirty one

763
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 4: to twenty.

764
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Four big moment for The. Buckeyes they had been waiting

765
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: for this. Forever Jim tressel finally got the job. Done

766
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: a dramatic game in that it went to double overtime

767
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: and they competed arguably against a much, much much more talented.

768
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: Competitor, yeah And Ohio state would eventually become even Under

769
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 4: Jim tressel talent wise. COMPARABLE i don't know if they

770
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: have that MANY nfl, players but they are a, top

771
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 4: top talented. Team they just weren't in this moment in that.

772
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: Place this was a scrappy, upstart and as much As

773
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 4: Ohio state can be a scrappy upstart that they're surviving

774
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: what they do during the regular season and they just

775
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: have to ride defense and field position and hope for the.

776
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: Best and it worked. Out if this game is played ten,

777
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 4: Times miami is probably winning eight of, them, Right, yeah.

778
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: PROBABLY i WATCHED i also watched this GAME i mentioned

779
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: the word furious both of these teams when they would

780
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: call play action passes.

781
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: A lot of the time it.

782
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: Worked they just didn't do it all that now seeing

783
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: they're watching, us, like just do what works, more, please

784
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: and they. Didn't and it just that second quarter From

785
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: miami it. Was it was just brutal And i'm just

786
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: not over. IT i can't believe it all happened so.

787
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: Quickly two really bad passes and a strip.

788
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: Sack all?

789
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 2: Right?

790
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: Uh scale one to, Ten, yeah one being one of

791
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: the worst games you've ever, watched ten being the. Best

792
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: where do you put?

793
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 4: THIS i mean the fact that we get double overtime

794
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: and the fact that we have these moments and we're

795
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: on the edge of our. Seats that has to count for.

796
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: Something even though the first four quarters, weren't you, know

797
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 4: a thrill. Ride so seven and a half, eight IT'S

798
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 4: i probably a little six point seven somewhere in. There,

799
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: okay seven point.

800
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Two we need we need a scale to grade some

801
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: of these. Games we're gonna do more of.

802
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: THEM i can't Believe miami lost to a dufist Like Craig.

803
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: GRENZL i believe. It, Hi, yeah they can't. Either they can't,

804
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: either all. Right we have droned on for far too, Long,

805
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: yeah about what we felt and our perspective watching this

806
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: game back in two thousand and. Three, sure as we've

807
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: been doing with all of these, games we need the

808
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: perspective of somebody who is in the, stadium.

809
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: All, Right and finally somebody who has spent far more

810
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: time around The miami, program Around miami, football measuring different

811
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 4: levels of swag throughout the. Decades our very good, Friend Bruce,

812
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: Feldman were you at this? Game were you covering this?

813
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: Game where were you in Early january two thousand and.

814
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: THREE i was at the, game AND i have a

815
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: story THAT i didn't think about when you reached out

816
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: to me until you started talking just.

817
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: Now. SO i am working in THE uspm magazine of

818
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: In New York.

819
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: City at the, time not at the time of the,

820
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 3: game but you, know at the time at that point

821
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: of my, career and one of my colleagues of the

822
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: magazine had put a literary agent in touch with me and, said,

823
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: hey they know, you you're pretty connected In South, florida

824
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: and would you be interested in doing A miami. Book

825
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: they're not sure what it really, is but a book

826
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: About miami. Football remember the year Before miami ran through

827
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: college football that, grade you, know two thousand and one,

828
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: team and there was obviously a lot of heat Around

829
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: miami and a lot of you, know it's just an interesting,

830
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: program you know.

831
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: What let me think about. It, YES i would do.

832
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: It and so the game is going, on AND i

833
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: remember the, overtime like they let them the print media

834
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 3: be down on the field for like.

835
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: The last five minutes of the.

836
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: Game once it gets down to five, Minutes, well at

837
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: that POINT i felt LIKE i had been you, know

838
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: the game goes into overtime and are both all, overtimes

839
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: AND i felt LIKE i was, on you, know on

840
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: that side for an hour and a, half AND i

841
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 3: just Remembered warren's staff was near. Me he had a

842
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: he had like a white towel to just basically wipe

843
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 3: the sweat, off AND i, remember you, know being near

844
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: him and our side of the. Field for some, reason

845
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: it WAS i was on The miami side was not very.

846
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: Packed like every Game i've gone to in the last ten,

847
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: years that's a national title, game you, know it's like

848
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: there's almost nowhere to. Stand, well for some, REASON i

849
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: don't remember it being particularly crowded over. There now it

850
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: might have been crowded on The Ohio state, side but

851
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: not as you, know it wasn't really at that. Point

852
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: and Uh so the game ends and it dawns on.

853
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: Me oh, man the book deal That i'm, Getting and

854
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: at that POINT i DON'T i don't didn't know how

855
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: much it was, for BUT i knew it was for

856
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: more than five one thousand, dollars you, KNOW i knew

857
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: it was probably you, know more than. THAT i was,

858
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: like oh, man that's probably down the. Toilet oh, Shit

859
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: and the thought in my head was, LIKE i don't

860
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: bet on. SPORTS i feel LIKE i can't cover in,

861
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: it but not That maybe like a, year maybe five years,

862
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: EARLIER i used to do some freelance writing For Maximum.

863
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: MAGAZINE i don't even if maxim still exists by, way

864
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: BUT i would do some sports stuff for, them AND

865
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: i had done a story ON i.

866
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 2: Think it Was Lennox.

867
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: Lewis and it you, know it's like you're waiting for

868
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: the story to.

869
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: Run, WELL i think it Was.

870
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: Lenox whoever it, was got knocked, out maybe By i've

871
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: Seen blackman over like somewhere in the other half of the,

872
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: world AND i didn't find out till the next, day

873
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 3: AND i was, like you know, whatever and then it

874
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: thought him was, like oh, man they're not going to

875
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: pay me the whatever seven hundred and fifty dollars for

876
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: that story because now it can't. Run AND i was,

877
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: like it's LIKE i just bet on the fight and

878
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: lost his Basic, yeah like in my in my you

879
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: know head at the, time as like a person who's

880
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: thirty years. Old, well with The Ohio State miami, GAME

881
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: i never thought about the book until right As i'm

882
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 3: watching everybody run onto the field the second. Time obviously

883
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: the first Time Miami kaks they. Won the second, Time i'm, like,

884
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: WHOA i probably just lost a lot of.

885
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: Money that was my. Thought and it.

886
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: Didn't like it didn't like drop me to my knees

887
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: or anything like. That BUT i was, like, whoa this

888
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 3: just affected me in a way that no other game

889
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: is going to affect.

890
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: Me so now.

891
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: Obviously it didn't BECAUSE i ended up writing the, Book

892
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: but that was my first, thought and it was it

893
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: was a very crazy game because they're, officiating and one

894
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: of the things THAT i, THOUGHT i MEAN i thought.

895
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: About was, like people remember the end of the game

896
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: in the late part of the. GAME i don't think

897
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: they remember like the first half of the. Game it

898
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: wasn't like the most riveting.

899
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: Game it wasn't Like texas or or any of these

900
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 3: other games seen probably in the last five.

901
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: Years it was.

902
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: Different, well the, thing the thing that really came to

903
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: mind for, Me bruce AND i went back and looked

904
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: At Ohio state season back in two thousand and. Two

905
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: there were four games where they didn't score twenty, points

906
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: which is almost unfathomable given where we're at in college.

907
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: Football most of these players are under, center the guys are,

908
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: enormous huge shoulder. Pads it's just such a different. Game

909
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: and it wasn't all that long. Ago.

910
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: NOW i, remember you, Know Craig kremszel, was you, know

911
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: you want to talk about, like you, know they Just

912
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: viespan just ran The TEXAS usc great game from you,

913
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: know probably three years after this or two years after,

914
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: This and it was Obviously lioner And bush And Vince

915
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: young and he had these great quarterbacks and, everything And Ken.

916
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: Dorsey was a really really good quarterback At, miami and.

917
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: But kremsell WHAT i remembered most of them was Like

918
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: Greig kremszell was, LIKE i don't know if he was

919
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: a four zero, student but it felt like he. Was

920
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 3: and he was a four h, student likely like biology

921
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: or something. Like he was he was going to be a.

922
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: Doctor he's going to be a scientist or, whatever and

923
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 3: so he's very you, know he knew he was very. Smart,

924
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: remember we had to do, something you, know the magazine

925
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: had to do something.

926
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: As a, preview AND.

927
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 3: I wrote About Chris, gamble who was a great two way,

928
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: player and just he Wasn't Rod woodson or he Wasn't Charles,

929
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: woodson but he was really really.

930
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: Good but it was just, like except.

931
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: For clorette And, clarette became quite a subplot around that

932
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: they were you, know it wasn't like These Ohio state

933
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 3: teams where they're like dripping with like first round guys

934
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: made good. Players but it wasn't the same you know

935
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: kind Of Ohio. STATE i, mean credit To Jim, trussell

936
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: he got that thing, rolling but it was it was

937
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: obviously a well coached, team AND i think you're, right

938
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: it was like they were one of those teams that

939
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 3: just grinded people. OUT i, mean they had really good

940
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: linebackers and everything that you, know good, defense and they

941
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: were certainly well. Coached but you, KNOW i think that

942
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 3: was that was. IT i, MEAN i think they they

943
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: surprised a lot people every step of the.

944
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: Way when you think about the, game do you think

945
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 4: more about what the game ultimately meant and sort of

946
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: the beginning of the end of, high high level success

947
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 4: For miami and for the end Of Larry coker's career

948
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 4: as A power five head, coach or do you think

949
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: about the sort of more micro and the call at the,

950
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: end the back and, forth the. Tension what do you

951
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 4: think is the bigger lasting.

952
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: Legacy you, know the legacy part was like that was

953
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 3: kind of the beginning of the downfall Of miami And Larry.

954
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: Cocher AND i used to work With Eric.

955
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 3: Adelson whose Wife Andrew, edelson still works AT espn dot.

956
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: Com And eric's brilliant, Guy harvard guy. Everything he's worked

957
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: at other places and now tis's journalism at. You he

958
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: had said to me That Larry, cocher this is dumbing it.

959
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: Down but he was, Like Larry cocher is probably too

960
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: nice of a, guy and this thing is going to.

961
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: Backslide AND i was fairly dismissive of BECAUSE i knew

962
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: how well they were, recruiting AND i just, thought, yeah you,

963
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: know he's got it.

964
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: Going all the players buy. In But eric was, right

965
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 2: like in the, END i, mean.

966
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: The chemistry SID i got, sideways and you, know it

967
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: was like they still had. Talent and like the next,

968
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: YEAR i remember one of the few guys WHO i

969
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: remember really you, know being comfortable talking after that game

970
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: in the locker room Was Jared.

971
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: Peyton you, know he.

972
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: Grown up in the spot of others as a Legend

973
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: Walter payton and, everything And jared ended up having Maybe

974
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: Florida state it might have been the next year in

975
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 3: The Orange, bowl And jared had the basically the best

976
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: game of his. Career but he was one of the

977
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 3: few people who could really come to terms with it

978
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: that you, know after the, game AND i just, think you,

979
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: know that program was enough funk almost like they have

980
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: been enough funk since.

981
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: THEN i, mean it was just it really was a big.

982
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: Change you, know you had.

983
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: You had some some of the elements of certainly like you,

984
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 3: Know Kellen winslow is his own probably his own thirty for,

985
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 3: thirty but you, know things just kind of you, know

986
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: the next year where there was always, drama but there

987
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 3: Was it was just, like you, KNOW i felt like

988
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: it was hard for them to handle all that stuff

989
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: and they just you, know it became a very much

990
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 3: the most three and out program in college football because

991
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: you had so many guys go three and, out and

992
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: they obviously most of them trying to be really good

993
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: football players in THE. Nfl BUT i think that made

994
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: it harder to, sustain and eventually it just kind of

995
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: collapsed under its own.

996
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 4: Weight what do you remember about the month or, so

997
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 4: if anything going into the game that you, Know Ohio

998
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 4: states surviving close calls against you, Know michigan And purdue

999
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 4: In illinois and. Whoever And miami for the most, part

1000
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: they have a couple of close calls, themselves but they're

1001
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: the defending national. CHAMPS i believe they just completely Bludgeon

1002
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 4: Virginia tech the game before the NATIONAL champi, ship but

1003
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 4: they dropped fifty or sixty. Points do you remember it

1004
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 4: being sort of a pretty lopsided expectation that this was

1005
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 4: going to Be miami rolling once again like they did

1006
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: the year, before or were people keen On Ohio state's.

1007
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: Defense, uh you, KNOW i think it's a hard to

1008
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: read on that because you, know like until you, know

1009
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 3: it's a little like the aura Of Mike, tyson you,

1010
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: know until somebody gets, wobbly you, know you don't believe

1011
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: it's actually there going to get knocked. Out and as you,

1012
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: SAID i mean This Ohio state, team they were scuffling

1013
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 3: a lot of, ways you, know like they struggled At,

1014
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: wisconsin they had their hands full of kind of stayed at.

1015
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: Home like you, mentioned The purdue game was, like that

1016
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: was a Great purdue. TEAM i think they they had

1017
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: to go to overtime against EITHER i think it WAS

1018
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: i want to say It's, minnesota but maybe it Was.

1019
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: Illinois it was one of those teams that they had

1020
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 3: to go to overtime, about you, know and then they

1021
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: they you, know survived Against, mission and so they were

1022
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 3: scuffling along the. WAY i, mean WHAT i remember right

1023
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 3: in the run up was you had so much drama

1024
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: With Maurice clorette at that, point, right so you know

1025
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: that was its own. SUBPLOT i MEAN i actually. WENT

1026
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: i don't know WHY i, went BUT i was at

1027
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: their first game that. Year it was Against Texas. Tech

1028
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: It's clarette's first. Game it's At Ohio, state And cliff

1029
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: was the was A Texas tech, quarterback and he was

1030
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: A i don't know IF i would say he was

1031
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: a Fringe Heisman.

1032
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: Canaday he was definitely like on The heisman.

1033
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Radar, yeah he led the nation in passing that.

1034
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: Year, Yeah And.

1035
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 3: Clorette went off in that, game and then you go.

1036
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: OFF i want to, say LIKE i had a guy

1037
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 3: who now that is a buddy of mine who is

1038
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: on The Ohio state, staff and he worked with special.

1039
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: Teams he was the line binners who work with special, teams.

1040
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: And he was talking about like How clorette was like

1041
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: their best special teams, player and then we're talking about

1042
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: the true.

1043
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: Freshman it's just like a.

1044
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: Great all around football. Player AND i remember that the

1045
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: shoe was by the end of that Was channing Mo,

1046
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: reice you, know like the whole. Place and the other

1047
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 3: THING i would remember was hearing the. Refs like the next,

1048
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: MORNING i was somewhere where there was there was some

1049
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 3: officials who were flying out like that, morning BUT i

1050
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: THINK i was at the hotel where they were having

1051
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: breakfast and they were, Like i've never seen a quarterback

1052
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: take a pounding like that GUY i did and still

1053
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: kept getting. Up well that Was, copse you, know so

1054
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 3: that was the beginning of, it and they went on

1055
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: this ride and you, know it's it, feels LIKE i,

1056
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 3: said for the people who are who are way young

1057
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: on listening to your, podcasts who maybe don't remember two

1058
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: thousand and, two like this wasn't The ohio, state you know,

1059
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 3: Now like it's like the Urban meyer Infused ohio state

1060
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: where they're gobbling up five star guys and and Essentially

1061
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 3: clemson And alabama esque from a talent, LEVEL i mean

1062
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: they had they definitely had, some but they didn't have

1063
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: it like what this at least that's my. RECOLLECTION i

1064
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: just you, know it was Like miami was the one

1065
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: who had ridiculous. Talent And i've said it had a

1066
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 3: lot of really good. Players they were just a really good.

1067
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: Team but you, know as we're, Talking i'm going through you, Know,

1068
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: Chris Chris campbell was Just Michael jenkins was was really.

1069
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: Good but then you looked at like the offensive. LINE

1070
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: i don't, KNOW i, Mean i'm kind of going through

1071
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: At Nick, MANGLES i remember being a really good, player.

1072
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: But beyond, that it was you, know Like Will smith

1073
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: was obviously a GOOD nfl.

1074
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: PLAYER i Remember Mike DAWs And Donnie Nicky york at

1075
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: the safeties and but it wasn't you, know it just to,

1076
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: me wasn't like kind of what we, were what we've

1077
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 3: become used to, with you, know with that, group you,

1078
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: know just going back, now they didn't even have a

1079
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: guy who went in the first round after, That so you,

1080
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 3: know credit To Jim trussell was hell of a coaching.

1081
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: Job, Yet, bruce thinking back to this, game we already

1082
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: heard the story about you perhaps nearly losing, money but beyond,

1083
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: that what are some things we should know about This

1084
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: miami team or just about this game being so you

1085
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: were there that we wouldn't be able to pick up

1086
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: just from being fans in two thousand and two or

1087
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: watching the broadcast that.

1088
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: NIGHT i think what really stood out to me was

1089
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: the expectation that that group had, had because what was

1090
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: different about? THEM i feel, like and again it's been a,

1091
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: while but the group in two thousand and one had

1092
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: all been on the. Ride like you, KNOW i just

1093
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: did this story for The athletic on like my favorite

1094
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: player that had ever been, around and it Was Ed.

1095
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: Reid me just had a charisma and a glow that was. Different,

1096
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: well when Ed reid got To miami and he wasn't

1097
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: a big. Recruit they beat Too lane to get. Him

1098
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't like he was you, know we're going to

1099
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: beat the whole sec to get him out Of. Louisiana

1100
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: but here's the. Thing when Ed reid was a, freshman

1101
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: they won five, games they were five and. Six they

1102
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: were taken out of the. Sanctions you, know he came

1103
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 3: in in half a recruiting.

1104
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: Class.

1105
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: Right so the guys on that two thousand and one,

1106
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: team most of them were guys who had been like

1107
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: hardened Through they they were battling early, on you, know

1108
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: in their. Careers they were really. Bad they got embarrassed

1109
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: By Florida.

1110
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: State that was that.

1111
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: Team the two thousand and two, Groups now there were

1112
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: still some guys who had you, Know dorsey was still.

1113
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: There but for the most, PART.

1114
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: I don't think the nucleus of that group had really

1115
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: been had come through all the path and had to

1116
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: watch it get built back up like this was kind

1117
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: of the guys who came who And i'm not saying

1118
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: they didn't know what it, took but they were there

1119
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: when you, know it had already been. Rolling So i'm

1120
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: not sure that they they saw quite that side of,

1121
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: it so maybe had a different perspective and a different

1122
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: shape on. It to, ME i think that made it

1123
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: a little different for the mindset of the.

1124
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: Place thinking back on that, game AND i know it's

1125
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: been a, while but who was the best player on

1126
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: the field from your vantage, POINT i really.

1127
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: Remembered winslow being the best player on the. Field like you,

1128
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: know again the guy had mentioned before who Coachedest Ohio.

1129
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: State he was, like he didn't have any answers for,

1130
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: Him like he was. Unstoppable AND i think that was

1131
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: a big that was a big thing FOR i, mean

1132
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: that was kind of a coming out party for him

1133
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: on a national. STAGE i think he had eleven, CATCHES

1134
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: i meaning he was just and that those were good,

1135
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 3: players like Like Ohio state had two really, good experienced,

1136
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: safeties they had a bunch of linebackers who were, good solid,

1137
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: players and he was just a mismatch for, them you,

1138
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: know and at least on the field that. Night that's

1139
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: WHY i remember being the best player on the.

1140
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: Field he was just they couldn't do anything with.

1141
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: Him If miami could Protect Ken, dorsey he was going

1142
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: to tell on Wins well and they were moving the.

1143
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: Ball what was your reaction to the McGahee. INJURY i

1144
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: know what it was like watching for from, home but

1145
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: from your vantage, point what was what was that?

1146
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 3: Perspective it was later than probably what you guys, saw

1147
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: because you, know when you're watching the game or a press,

1148
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: box you're not seeing a.

1149
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: Replay you didn't.

1150
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: See you know how how gruesome that. Was you, know

1151
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: you see, it it's just, like oh my, god that's

1152
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: not quite what the thisement.

1153
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: Injury, was but it felt like it was in that.

1154
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: Realm kind of thing where it's bone snapping and just

1155
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: like and then there's a part of, it part of

1156
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: the situation where you're, thinking, man this is this guy's

1157
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 3: going in THE nfl to have this great. Career and

1158
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: fortunately for, HIM i, mean you, know with technology AND

1159
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: i guess medical science the way it, is still had

1160
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 3: a really good. CAREER i, mean it wasn't Like miami

1161
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: had a had a great running back probably fifteen years,

1162
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 3: Earlier Melvin, bratton who also had a devastating injury in

1163
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: his final, game and it Derailed melvin's career pretty much,

1164
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: entirely where at least mcgahees it. Didn't so you, know

1165
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: it didn't take long to think about the ramifications of

1166
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 3: that for. Him AND i think you, know it was

1167
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 3: different then because, whatever it's seventeen years.

1168
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: Ago it also wasn't.

1169
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: At that stage where you'd have guys after that say all,

1170
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: Right i'm gonna sit out a bowl, game and this

1171
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 3: is a national title. Game i'm sure you know that

1172
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: Was that was a sobering, play to say the.

1173
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: Least and.

1174
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: You know when you said what plays stand, OUT i

1175
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: MEAN i was the first one in my. Head between

1176
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: that the, passitor it's you, know. Controversy those are the

1177
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 3: two things that stood out the most individually from that.

1178
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: Game was it past? INTERFERENCE i don't.

1179
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: KNOW i, mean you, know it's like you watched that

1180
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: so many. TIMES i, mean that's not AN hd, game

1181
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: by the, way right.

1182
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: CORRECT i don't.

1183
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: KNOW i remember talking To Mark stoops after the. Game

1184
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: he Was miami's secondary, coach and it was just there

1185
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: was so much controversy around, THAT i think because it.

1186
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: Was so, delayed you, know and it's just, like, LOOK

1187
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: i don't think that was.

1188
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: Obviously Ohio state won the, game AND i think you

1189
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 3: can ask Any Ohio state fan they could probably point

1190
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: out six different plays that they felt like should have you,

1191
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: know could have gone the other, way you, know officiating

1192
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: was SO i don't think that's ever a good situation for.

1193
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: Anybody it's certainly not a good situation FOR i still

1194
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 3: remember the name of the, official and it's sure it, wasn't.

1195
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: You, know good for him and his. Family AND i

1196
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: think he's you, know it's probably even worse than this

1197
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: day and. Age so.

1198
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 3: You, know it's just that game has had had so

1199
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: much drama around, it AND i think certainly that was

1200
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 3: part of it because of the, lag and you, know

1201
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: they're celebrating and then they're, not and then al, SUDDEN i,

1202
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 3: say we better get ourselves back up, again and find

1203
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: he really couldn't do.

1204
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 4: It do you think A Jim tressel coach team in twenty,

1205
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 4: twenty which obviously the way he, coached the way he,

1206
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 4: recruited the Way Ohio state played football evolved over his

1207
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 4: tenure there until about a decade, later do you think

1208
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 4: that sort of blueprint could work now in playing as

1209
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 4: conservatively but intelligently and sort of focusing on defense and

1210
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 4: ball control or are we too far? Past are we

1211
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 4: too evolved college football? Wise with, big wide open offenses

1212
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 4: and the sort of more leaning on creativity on offense

1213
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 4: is trestle?

1214
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: Ball is it twenty twenty? COMPATIBLE i think it.

1215
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 3: IS i, mean if you get the right players for,

1216
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 3: IT i definitely think it. IS i, mean, Look Mark

1217
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: antonio did a lot of the, Stuff Like Jim trussel

1218
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of success a decade, later AND

1219
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: i didn't have success in the last couple of years.

1220
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: And was the defensive coordinator in this game For Ohio.

1221
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: State he was, right and so there was a lot

1222
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: of that blueprint. There you, Know i'm trying to think

1223
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: of people now who are coaches is who are really

1224
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: using similar models to, That and you know it's hard to,

1225
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: FIND i mean right now a program because you see WHAT,

1226
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: lsu you see What alabama places that had been you,

1227
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: know winning with just defense and let's not screw it

1228
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: up for the offense kind of.

1229
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 4: STUFF i think the better Of, Northwestern Pat fitzgerald And

1230
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 4: northwestern have sort of gone with that.

1231
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 3: Model they, Have but AGAIN i THINK i GUESS i

1232
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 3: was talking about like could they could do for national,

1233
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 3: Championships LIKE i, mean Like Pat fitzgerald's a terrific, coach

1234
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 3: but they're not competing For National championships. There you, Know

1235
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 3: i'm just thinking like in terms of you, know it's

1236
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 3: Like Kyle whittingham as a really physical. Team they're very well,

1237
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: coached BUT i feel like they're a little more aggressive on,

1238
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: offense you, know with some of the stuff they, do

1239
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: certainly some of the stuff they did last, year you,

1240
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 3: know When Andy ludwig went back. There BUT i you,

1241
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: know it's just thinking off the top of my. Head

1242
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: it's hard to find somebody who has who had, that

1243
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 3: but that was a, really really Good his teams are

1244
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: really well, coached and they recruited, well and certainly it

1245
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 3: helped that he's At Ohio state where you can get

1246
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 3: a lot of players because you, know you have a

1247
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 3: big brand school and a lot to.

1248
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: Sell SO i get that part of.

1249
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 4: It and With miami going the direction that they, did

1250
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 4: still succeeding and they make the move to THE acc

1251
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 4: and then ultimately they have the down year And Larry koker's.

1252
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 4: Replaced you made an allusion to him being probably too

1253
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 4: nice for that. Job what Did miami?

1254
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: Need? What you, know what is? It is it Just Butch?

1255
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 4: Davis is it just you, know that big personality to

1256
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 4: keep everything you, know to keep the fire under the

1257
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 4: feet of everybody in the locker, room or as we've

1258
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 4: seen in a lot of, places that there's just sometimes

1259
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 4: a shelf life to.

1260
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: EXCELLENCE i think it's really who's who's in, charge how

1261
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: well you.

1262
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 3: Know Butch davis was a great. Evaluator account you learned

1263
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: Under Jimmy. Johnson HE i mean you look at a track.

1264
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: Record his back record for evaluating stacks up with anybody's

1265
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: coach college football in the last twenty five years from

1266
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 3: that eventually left, THEN i think it was you had

1267
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 3: a core group of. Guys edred was certainly the main

1268
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: guy who held people, accountable and that kind of fed

1269
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: into the locker. Room once that got away from, them

1270
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: it started to. Implode AND i, MEAN i, think if

1271
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 3: it's too soon to tell, it Many diez will be that.

1272
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: GUY i Think manny's really. SMART i don't know how

1273
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: all the pieces will come. Together you, know it's not

1274
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 3: like there's less talent around them In South, florida, RIGHT i,

1275
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 3: mean it's, just you, know it's JUST i think chemistry

1276
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: is a tricky thing with how it.

1277
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,479
Speaker 2: FITS i, mean it wasn't that long Ago Florida state

1278
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: was on top of the college football, world and now

1279
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: it feels like a long time, ago you, know because

1280
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: once it starts to kind of get a little bit,

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: off it's almost, like you, know you're starting to run up,

1282
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: hill and you, know you AND i you guys all

1283
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: we all remember WHEN usc was was, everything and now

1284
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: all of a, sudden it's, like, yeah we still can get,

1285
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: players but it's just the balance gets, off and so

1286
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: it's it's IT'S i don't think it's as black and

1287
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: white a question as like a lot of us would

1288
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: want to, say and it definitely doesn't fit on a,

1289
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: tweet you know that kind of.

1290
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 4: Thing final, question, now when you look back at this,

1291
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 4: game do you look at it, as you, know what

1292
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: do you give this overtime double overtime. Game you have

1293
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 4: the back and, forth you have a comeback From miami

1294
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 4: DESPITE i think they turned the ball over five. Times

1295
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 4: was this a great game or was this just a close?

1296
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: GAME i think it was. BOTH i, mean it was

1297
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: good because of That.

1298
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: Drom it had you, know a HISTORIC i, MEAN i

1299
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 3: guess any national title game is going to have a

1300
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: historic you know component to. IT i, mean would you

1301
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 3: ask me if it was one of the top five

1302
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: games the national title. GAMES i feel Like i've COVERED

1303
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 3: i would probably SAY i MEAN i WOULD i would

1304
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 3: put the to me The TEXAS usc game is a

1305
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 3: clear number.

1306
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: One but THEN i would look at like the drama

1307
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: around The Alabama georgia game was a great. Game alabama

1308
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: And clemson had a great.

1309
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 3: GAME i feel like there's been other ones that Even

1310
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 3: Florida state And, auburn you, know had plenty of drama in.

1311
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: The right it came down to the last. Play there's

1312
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: Been there's just there's been a lot of great. GAMES

1313
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: i think what was what that game had.

1314
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: Beyond just the controversial. Call it had a, great great

1315
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 3: team getting knocked off by a.

1316
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: Story program that was on its way. Back.

1317
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 3: Right so you, know if Like miami wasn't on the

1318
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 3: thirty four, game Win. Street If miami was was a

1319
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: team like you look At, alabama as great as they've,

1320
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: been they've, had you, know so many seasons where they've

1321
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 3: won national titles or played for him with one. LAW i,

1322
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 3: mean they're still probably the best team in the country that.

1323
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 3: Year but there there's an element of there's there's not

1324
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: the element of. Invincibility miami at thirty four in a,

1325
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 3: ROW usc, saying you, know that's WHAT i think ads

1326
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 3: ratchets up the intrigue around those games because of.

1327
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 4: That Bruce, feltman thank you very much for your, time

1328
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 4: and everybody, listening go buy every.

1329
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: Question before we.

1330
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: Go, Oh i've stick myself now That i'm now THAT

1331
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: i heard you shilling for, me but, YEAH i still. Will,

1332
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 3: Okay so our our Podcast The audible today we got

1333
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 3: a question about somebody. Referencing my favorite episode was When

1334
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 3: bridge asked to do if he Smoked whedon in. College

1335
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 3: stu was and our stew was in our it was

1336
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 3: in a. BAND i was going to say rock. BAND

1337
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: i would assume it's something like, that But i'd never

1338
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 3: heard of their, music and he said he never. HAD

1339
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 3: i had said to, him when this thing is all over,

1340
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 3: again all. CLEAR i think the first episode, Back stu's

1341
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 3: Gotta SU's gotta blaze it up.

1342
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: And and do The audible that way good. Idea that.

1343
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 4: IDEA i will fly to Northern california and put on

1344
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 4: a hazmat suit and personally produce the. EPISODE i will

1345
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 4: make sure record gets. HIT i will make Sure stu

1346
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 4: is in a safe. PLACE i think it's a fantastic.

1347
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 4: Idea we may copy the. Idea, yeah we might think

1348
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 4: might Have maybe maybe we implore all relevant college football

1349
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 4: podcasters to celebrate in such a way when we get

1350
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:29,839
Speaker 4: the all, clear.

1351
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 2: Like it's like the it's Not kim going on fine.

1352
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: Bomb we have an.

1353
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: Editor If stu like drists down the road of talking

1354
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 3: about his old mailbag crushes and it gets a little,

1355
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: weird and you can edit that.

1356
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 4: OUT i, mean we can talk About stuartmandel dot com

1357
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 4: and then edit it. Out everybody if if you, know you,

1358
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 4: KNOW i think it's a terrific.

1359
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: Idea, okay, Well i'm. Glad i'm Glad i'm not alone

1360
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 2: on that.

1361
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: Front i'm Also i'm also skeptical that he's telling the.

1362
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: TRUTH i, don't you know. What you can say a

1363
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: lot of things About. STU i find him to be very. Honest,

1364
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 2: OKAY i. DON'T i don't think he would make that.

1365
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: UP i don't even know why he would claim. It

1366
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 2: it's like he's ever going to run for.

1367
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 4: Office, yeah he's not joining THE, fbi he's not running for.

1368
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 4: Office he's he's a college football, writer AND i think

1369
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 4: it would give him a little more Cred And i'm

1370
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 4: dying to hear what he would have to say if

1371
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 4: his mind was a little bit.

1372
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: Altered, YEAH i would.

1373
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 3: Be fascinated to see that version Of. STUE i have

1374
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 3: seen the lit version Of. Stu there was a window

1375
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 3: where it was.

1376
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 2: Different and what does this? Mean it's not for this?

1377
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: Podcast Was?

1378
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 4: Stu, okay you don't have to say yes or? No

1379
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 4: Was stu implicated in The Gold club?

1380
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: Trial? Now and this doesn't have anything to do With John. Junker,

1381
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: ah that's a.

1382
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: Shame.

1383
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 4: Okay, uh, well then that's a good great. Seas you

1384
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 4: should subscribe to The. Audible you should subscribe to The Solid.

1385
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 4: Verbal bruce And stewart turning out episodes there horrific and

1386
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 4: they've been doing it for a long time. Now AND

1387
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 4: i don't know If Trader joe's is still a, sponsor

1388
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,799
Speaker 4: But bruce likes the Orange.

1389
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: Chicken there's still a. Sponsor AND i would highly recommend

1390
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 2: what are the sweet potato tortilla chips for a? Moss?

1391
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: Oh those are very?

1392
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 4: Good go look On amazon for first of, All Kine

1393
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 4: mutiny is the name Of Bruce's miami book that he

1394
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 4: talked About look for THE Qb look For Meat, market

1395
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: in which he follows at oorgeron around and had no

1396
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 4: idea that COACH o would eventually become a national champion head.

1397
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 4: Coach and you, know Find bruce. Everywhere you know where

1398
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 4: to Find. Bruce just Google Bruce. Feldman you'll find. Him,

1399
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 4: bruce thank you very much for your.

1400
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 3: Time thank you always good to hear, you, guys voices especially,

1401
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 3: now appreciate.

1402
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: It all, Right, dan there you. Go Bruce feldman from

1403
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: The Athletic Fox. Sports please do subscribe to the show

1404
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: he does With Stuart, mandell our good, Friend The, audible

1405
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: another college ball. Podcast we're all kind of in this

1406
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: big universe together trying to figure out what to talk

1407
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: about right now in the midst of a global. Pandemic

1408
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: but we're doing our. BEST i, mean are we going

1409
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: to keep doing? This do you want to keep doing these?

1410
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: Games it's been, fun.

1411
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 4: Yes so we need to come up With we need

1412
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 4: people to give us suggestions for the next game we would.

1413
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't have to be a championship. Game obviously

1414
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 4: we did The Bush push. Game just a big. GAME

1415
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 4: i think we're giving preference to it being pre Soliverbal,

1416
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 4: era so pre two thousand and. Eight but if there's

1417
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 4: something weird and Fun we are happy to do any.

1418
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 4: Game just give us a suggestion and pay attention To

1419
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 4: twitter Or, instagram in which we will tell you which

1420
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 4: game to go rewatch so you can follow along as

1421
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 4: you listen to the.

1422
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: Show we will do our best to do.

1423
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 4: That by the, way as a, PostScript tie some some

1424
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 4: really weird after the after the what is it on

1425
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 4: The bachelor after the rose or something like, that after

1426
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 4: the final. Rose, yeah after the final something like. That

1427
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 4: So Larry coker's. FIRED a few years, later as you,

1428
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 4: Know miami joins THE acc and it's clear that they

1429
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 4: succeeded With Butch davis players and he couldn't hold it,

1430
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 4: together even recruiting pretty. Well Jim tressell just goes on

1431
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 4: a tremendous run with as many problems as you know

1432
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 4: some people have with trestle ball and sort of being

1433
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 4: conservative on. Offense what he does In columbus is, incredible

1434
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 4: and the way it ends is also very, strange with

1435
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 4: covering up tattoos and trell pryor and everything like. That

1436
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 4: it worked out fine For Ohio, state and now he's

1437
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 4: the president Of Youngstown state where he used to. Coach

1438
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: so it don't cry For Jim. Trussell it ended, weirdly

1439
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 4: but he had just a tremendous run. There Larry koker

1440
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 4: went on to eventually COACH utsa and was not. Good

1441
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 4: it was not good FOR. Utsa you, know largely what

1442
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 4: happened TO nfl. Players we've Mentioned Will smith's. Name he

1443
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 4: dies in just just a wild. Fashion it's just tragic

1444
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 4: for everybody. Involved Maurice clorette and he has that single

1445
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 4: year he sues THE. Nfl he's kicked off of he's

1446
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 4: hooked out Of Ohio, state the. Institution he sues THE

1447
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 4: nfl to be, drafted and it's accepted and then it's

1448
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 4: overturned and so there's a whole. Drama he ends up.

1449
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 4: Incarcerated Ken dorsey's a coach in THE. Nfl Craig, Crenzel i'm,

1450
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 4: sure is a wildly successful doctor. Somewhere Ohio state was

1451
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 4: fine And miami wasn't in the long, term and they

1452
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 4: haven't been since they've had you, know they had the

1453
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: year With Mark, richt but, otherwise you, Know Randy shannon

1454
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 4: Replaces Larry, coker and then you Have Al golden And

1455
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 4: Mark richt and it just have him able to find

1456
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 4: that that swaggy elixir. Tie they just have swaggy. Elixir

1457
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 4: seems like a good way to sign off. Tonight Jim

1458
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 4: tressel nine and one Against. Michigan so that worked out.

1459
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 4: Well it's undeniable That ohio state and that was the

1460
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 4: beginning of something incredibly special for the Buck eyes and

1461
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 4: beginning of the end of something incredibly special for The.

1462
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: Keynes all, Right, well As dan, said let us know

1463
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: what game you want us to do. Next solidverbo at

1464
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 1: gmail dot com is the email. Address you can also

1465
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: follow along with us on social. Media we would love

1466
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: to hear from you about what game we should do. Next,

1467
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: yeah we are planning to do. Bunch it's been a

1468
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: lot of fun going back into the archives of college

1469
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: football to watch some of these great football. Games so

1470
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: one more, time soliverable at gmail dot, Com dan fun.

1471
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: Show we appreciate our good Friend Bruce felman stopping on.

1472
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: BUY i think that's ALL i. Have it was fun

1473
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: to go back and watch this game.

1474
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 4: Again OH i should point out That Frank abagnail did

1475
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 4: serve time the character and catch me if you. Can but, now,

1476
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 4: yes he has been HELPING i think THE fbi with

1477
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 4: with counterfeit and and sort of prosecute those sort of

1478
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 4: counterfeit you, know checks and everything like, that and they

1479
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 4: were able to destroy the. Ring eventually they wrote a

1480
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: giant bird On Middle earth and they just sort of

1481
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 4: dumped and.

1482
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: Dropped Yeap Mount.

1483
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 4: Doom so they defeated Sore On AND i think everything

1484
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 4: has worked. Out J low got married to or is

1485
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 4: With Alex Rodriguez. Ty everything's.

1486
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: Great everything's, great except for the fact that we've got

1487
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: a global. Pandemic we hope everyone out there is other than,

1488
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 1: that staying safe and washing their hands and, hey you,

1489
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Speaker 1: know enjoying the time at home with your. Family weird,

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Speaker 1: times but we'll get through it. Together we will be

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Speaker 1: back in one week's time to talk about another ancient

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Speaker 1: game from college football. History can't wait in the meantime

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Speaker 1: for that guy over, there my good friend Danre, ygenstein for,

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Speaker 1: Myself Tie, hildebrand thank you so much for tuning. In

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Speaker 1: we will talk to you all. Soon in the, Meantime stay, solid,

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Speaker 1: peace