Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camila Luttington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Call It What It Day.
Speaker 1: So as you call it, I'm so excited today, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I got a little extra pep in my step?
Speaker 2: Do you want to? Should we just die right in
Speaker 2: and tell us why you're excited?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's two words that make me feel excited.
Speaker 1: Actually it's four Camilla Luddington. Yeah, Gina Davis, Kamila Luddington,
Speaker 1: Gina Davis.
Speaker 3: I mean those two, those two I can see a
Speaker 3: starring in movie together, those two names together.
Speaker 1: Wow. I just love that. I tried to make it
Speaker 1: six and put myself in there and you were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally running away with the movie that Gina Davis and
Speaker 1: I are starring in.
Speaker 3: They I feel like, that's a that's a that's a headliner,
Speaker 3: that's a that's a new Marvel blockbuster.
Speaker 1: Move over Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 3: Gena Davis, for anyone listening who doesn't know, starred on
Speaker 3: Gray's Anatomy with us, and she worked very closely with you,
Speaker 3: Miss Arizona Robbins, and it was so incredible and exciting,
Speaker 3: and it was like, I mean we're talking movie.
Speaker 2: Star on set, movie star, movie star magic.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, like we on Grey's Anatomy, we
Speaker 1: are so lucky because there really are. It's an abundance
Speaker 1: of guest stars. I mean it's like no joke, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the people that come and play as you know,
Speaker 1: guest stars are just like unparalleled. And I remember that
Speaker 1: there was like Denzel Washington. I remember hearing the Coming
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I did that Washington. I
Speaker 1: had no scenes with him, none.
Speaker 2: I was even in that episode. They were like, who
Speaker 2: should we write in?
Speaker 3: That's like amazing and they said take Joe out instantly Arizona.
Speaker 3: You know, I have a funny Denzel story though. And
Speaker 3: Jesse Williams can attest to this because he was stood.
Speaker 2: Right next to me and he made so much fun
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 3: I went in to say hi, and I was so nervous.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, his you know it's Denzel
Speaker 3: that I couldn't say my name right, so I was
Speaker 3: like his head hair and that it did. It literally
Speaker 3: didn't even sound remotely like Camilla. And then and Jesse
Speaker 3: Williams just happened to be standing right then.
Speaker 4: He was like what was that?
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I'm not even in the episode.
Speaker 3: So that's that's his memory of me. Yeah, yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1: Well I remember seeing him because he also no, sorry,
Speaker 1: he directed it. He wasn't guest starring. He was direct directing.
Speaker 2: He was direct. That's what I'm saying. It was like
Speaker 2: take me out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I take you out. I would it, but like
Speaker 1: I was only in it for a second, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that was justify the fact that they paid
Speaker 1: me for that episode. Is really what happened?
Speaker 2: You just walked by you.
Speaker 1: I was in an elevator, I walked out of it,
Speaker 1: and I walked into another elevator.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah. I had the same feeling with Gina though.
Speaker 1: So that's my point is that when they said Gina
Speaker 1: was coming, I was like, WHOA, whose storyline is she?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you were not walking from an elevator to
Speaker 3: an elevator for that storyline.
Speaker 1: No, I want the Geena Davis lottery. You did I
Speaker 1: and not only did I get to work with her,
Speaker 1: she and I were in lockstep.
Speaker 2: I know I was jealous of that lockstep. I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I had some scenes with her though, but I just
Speaker 3: it's you can't it's when you meet people like that,
Speaker 3: I find it hard to actually comprehend that that's the
Speaker 3: person there in real life. I'm not going to make
Speaker 3: her feel awkward on the pod, but I was definitely
Speaker 3: fangirling to an excessive amount.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, which you know, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be the odd one out on this
Speaker 3: pod because you guys really bonded so well on the show,
Speaker 3: and then after she left the show, you were you
Speaker 3: were buddies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were. We were buddies. And when she when
Speaker 1: I ended up leaving the show, storyline wise, she came back.
Speaker 5: She was the one that came back. She yeah, to
Speaker 5: take me off to New York. Yeah, she threw her
Speaker 5: lass out and dragged you off. No, I know, I'm excited, Higina.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love your faith.
Speaker 2: We've been fangirling before you came.
Speaker 4: On, Gina.
Speaker 1: That's great, yay, Yeah, she likes she likes that kind
Speaker 1: of love.
Speaker 3: Well, because I haven't said and I was saying, I
Speaker 3: haven't seen you or spoken to you since Gray's Anatomy,
Speaker 3: and then I know that you and Jessica have since
Speaker 3: become such good friends, and you guys have been texting
Speaker 3: back and forth. And she even let me in on
Speaker 3: a little secret that you when you're texting her and
Speaker 3: you have like all these different nicknames for her.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I can't.
Speaker 1: I actually, I actually I had to go back and
Speaker 1: look at our text chain because I was like, there's
Speaker 1: so many of them I don't even remember what they are,
Speaker 1: and there were upwards of ten. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick out which my favorite ones were.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think everyone i'll want to hear.
Speaker 1: Okay, So amongst my favorites were Peach fuzz, My Flaky
Speaker 1: Little Croissant, My Delicious Little Candied yam, My Little Caramel
Speaker 1: streussl Petunia Darling Caramel Cookie Waffle, and the last, which
Speaker 1: would be probably the truest in the in the story
Speaker 1: of our relationship, which would be why That's.
Speaker 3: Yes, that would fit, and I agree that is the
Speaker 3: most fitting of all of them. I love how they're
Speaker 3: food related, though, well.
Speaker 6: A lot of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm down because I want to Yeah, well, not.
Speaker 1: Like you, not as much as you like to eat
Speaker 1: those pancakes in the morning. On Grey's anatomy.
Speaker 6: Oh do you have my pancakes or my friends Jones?
Speaker 1: And you know what, you and Camila share something in common,
Speaker 1: which is that you wear tragic cozy pants and weird
Speaker 1: T shirts into the hair and makeup trailers. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you wear like fuzzy pants and weird T shirts. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a vibe to roll into work in
Speaker 1: the coziest things. I don't need to look chic before
Speaker 1: going into the I am really the worst dress though,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt.
Speaker 4: There's certain tops that I only wear for hair and makeup.
Speaker 4: I don't know why, for some reason, but for like years,
Speaker 4: twenty years, I have the same weird T shirts that
Speaker 4: I wear. They can get over your head after your
Speaker 4: hair and makeup, right, it has to be well.
Speaker 1: I remember more than anything that you came in looking
Speaker 1: beautiful and you left looking beautiful. And that's all I remember,
Speaker 1: because you are truly one of my favorite people and
Speaker 1: beautiful from the inside out. You you no really your
Speaker 1: your next level.
Speaker 4: I'm missing so much. We had so much fun, next
Speaker 4: level next level fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We would super super super laugh a lot. And I
Speaker 1: obviously I have the shortcut to a lot of I mean,
Speaker 1: I have like some of my favorite stories about working
Speaker 1: with you. You make me laugh so hard, even when
Speaker 1: it's you know, eleven o'clock at night and they call
Speaker 1: for that second stack and I'm like, and You're like,
Speaker 1: but what is it anything? You're like, but what is it?
Speaker 3: Second snacker should tell our listeners. Second snack means that
Speaker 3: you for sure and for like midnight possible filming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the most endearing stories that you told me,
Speaker 1: Gina was and and we had similar beginnings, and that
Speaker 1: we both started in New York. I've obviously come back
Speaker 1: to New York, but we both started in New York.
Speaker 1: And I would love for you to recall when you
Speaker 1: were modeling and then you got your job and you
Speaker 1: were cast in TUTSI.
Speaker 4: So wild.
Speaker 1: What did you I remember you telling me a story
Speaker 1: about being hired, and uh, I'm curious. Did you show
Speaker 1: up for all the days of work or just the
Speaker 1: days of work that you were told to come to work?
Speaker 4: Well? I never asked anybody any questions, uh, because I
Speaker 4: wanted to seem like I already knew what to do
Speaker 4: or something. So nobody ever told me that you don't
Speaker 4: have to come on the days you're not working, no, Gina.
Speaker 4: So I went every single day at six whatever. I
Speaker 4: would show up, and I knew that they sometimes they
Speaker 4: put makeup on me, sometimes they didn't. But uh, when
Speaker 4: I was there, and then I figured out that people
Speaker 4: had chairs with their names on them. And I didn't
Speaker 4: see a chair because I was like tenth or something
Speaker 4: I did. I didn't see a chair with my name
Speaker 4: on it. But my character was one of the soap
Speaker 4: opera actors and she had a chair. So I would
Speaker 4: go in the props closet, which you're not and get
Speaker 4: my chair. I came on it and next to Sydney Pollock. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I figured, well, I'll just sit here. It never
Speaker 4: occurred to me that, oh, the actors chairs are all
Speaker 4: over there. It's only him and producers that are over here.
Speaker 6: I would put it right.
Speaker 4: Next to him all day, every day, and he never
Speaker 4: said I think I think nobody ever said anything.
Speaker 2: Thing I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: Did no one tell you, like, hey, Gina, you can
Speaker 3: really take your day off.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be here at six am. No
Speaker 2: one said that to you.
Speaker 4: No, No, I think they must have assumed that I
Speaker 4: want you know that I wanted to learn. I wanted
Speaker 4: to be there, you know, and this was this was
Speaker 4: just a thing that I was choosing to do, but
Speaker 4: I had I had no clue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but do you remember this on Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker 4: There wasn't a chair with my name about it, and
Speaker 4: I took to be some Jaffer's tape.
Speaker 2: Davis, please tell me we have a picture of that somewhere.
Speaker 2: Do we have a photo of that? We need a
Speaker 2: picture of that.
Speaker 3: And by the way, how dare we have miss Gina
Speaker 3: Davis on our set and not give her a chair?
Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed, Gina, honestly, I'm embarrassed about that was funny.
Speaker 1: Don't worry I made her or feel cozy. It's a
Speaker 1: school of hard knocks over at Gray's Anatomy. Whatever, buckle up,
Speaker 1: let's go. If it was the eighties and Sydney Pollack
Speaker 1: was directing a movie and he hired me and someone
Speaker 1: let me on set, I think I'd probably do that,
Speaker 1: just keep coming back and watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it wasn't a conscious decision. I thought I was.
Speaker 2: She didn't want to Jessica.
Speaker 1: I wondered, she's just unconscious.
Speaker 6: I don't know a good story. If that's what happened.
Speaker 2: It's like a Christopher Guest movie.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a character in a Christopher Guess
Speaker 3: movie that just does not know.
Speaker 2: It's so great.
Speaker 6: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I want to ask Gina.
Speaker 3: Because obviously we got to work with you on the show,
Speaker 3: what was your first impression of our set?
Speaker 2: I mean even in a hundred cents, but what was
Speaker 2: your first impression of like?
Speaker 4: Wow, well, yeah it was.
Speaker 6: It was very favorable.
Speaker 4: I was. I was a little overwhelmed to be there,
Speaker 4: you know, because everybody been there so long and was
Speaker 4: so comfortable, and I was like, well, I'm the new guy.
Speaker 4: But it was fun. But the first episode I had,
Speaker 4: I had two lines because I didn't read a thing
Speaker 4: before I got cast. I just was like that that
Speaker 4: show Shonda Rimes, Yes I will say yes. So then
Speaker 4: I got the first episode, I was like, this is
Speaker 4: a slow introduction.
Speaker 6: I guess.
Speaker 4: Two lines and I wasn't In the second episode, and
Speaker 4: then the third episode, I had like four lives. But
Speaker 4: it turned out that Shanda's philosophy was I had always
Speaker 4: been there, so it wasn't like we're introducing a new character.
Speaker 4: I had always been at the hospital. You just hadn't
Speaker 4: met me yet, my character. So so that's that's that's
Speaker 4: how that was. But but it was great because I
Speaker 4: got to you know, EASi into into being there and
Speaker 4: being in the cast that ever they had. And then
Speaker 4: it was the best thing that ever happened that I
Speaker 4: got to be with my my buddy in everything, my pal.
Speaker 4: It's so much fun, so much fun. My best the
Speaker 4: funniest thing, because she's always saying the funniest things. But
Speaker 4: the best thing she ever said was I said something like,
Speaker 4: how could they not give a chair to a movie star,
Speaker 4: you know after all? Ah, and she very don patsys Well, honey,
Speaker 4: you're not really a movie star, You're a guest on
Speaker 4: a TV show.
Speaker 1: Okay, in in not defense, just I want off chair.
Speaker 1: In the retelling of my memory of that story, Gina ns,
Speaker 1: we were very quid pro quo and we were always
Speaker 1: taking the piss out of each other. And you would
Speaker 1: make me laugh all the time. You were telling a
Speaker 1: story about a director, because by the way, also before
Speaker 1: you'd come to Grays you would also played, you know,
Speaker 1: the President of the United States onto television. Yep, you
Speaker 1: were talking about a director that I think had come
Speaker 1: to work on that show, and you were like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, Jessica. He was a very big, big director.
Speaker 1: He was a really big director. He was he did
Speaker 1: so many movies. He was very fancy. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I can't believe he's doing.
Speaker 2: Me noo my show.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's when I pointed out that you,
Speaker 1: in fact, were also a guest star on a television show.
Speaker 1: And you were like, you for how could you point
Speaker 1: that out?
Speaker 4: Like what, that's all we did all day we.
Speaker 1: All day long.
Speaker 3: No, that's what I It's funny because I did have
Speaker 3: a couple of scenes with you guys, and that's what
Speaker 3: I that's my biggest memory is how much you guys
Speaker 3: laughed together.
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, it was it was Doctor Hermann
Speaker 1: came around after a time where I think that my
Speaker 1: storylines had been very deep and very kind of sad,
Speaker 1: and she Arizona was a little adrift and she didn't have,
Speaker 1: you know, a partner and going through the divorce and
Speaker 1: everything else, and so to have someone that was her
Speaker 1: person was really important and so I was so grateful
Speaker 1: for that relationship on screen and off. I mean obviously
Speaker 1: on screen and then the fact that I got the
Speaker 1: bonus off screen, and again I looked through our texts before.
Speaker 1: You know, I was looking at at this at this
Speaker 1: day and thinking about what we were going to talk about,
Speaker 1: and I just I laughed the whole story. And then
Speaker 1: of course I looked at all the things that you
Speaker 1: have done, Geena Davis as a human being, and I'm
Speaker 1: so curious about so many different things. Yes, but I
Speaker 1: really really really really want to get into You created
Speaker 1: the Geena Davis Institute because you were seeing that there
Speaker 1: was not enough representation and you wanted to put actual
Speaker 1: numbers to it and then show the world what those
Speaker 1: numbers were so that they could respond to it and
Speaker 1: not and be held accountable on that level, is what
Speaker 1: I'm guessing.
Speaker 4: Yes or no, Well, it wasn't to hold them accountable publicly.
Speaker 4: It was to It was to share the data with
Speaker 4: them privately and say, I think you're not aware of this?
Speaker 4: And right, okay. How it started was through kids television.
Speaker 4: My daughter was too and I decided, hey, let's I
Speaker 4: could start watching you know, little kids for school shows.
Speaker 6: And stuff with it.
Speaker 4: So the very first thing I put on, I can't wait,
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm like, wait a minute, how many
Speaker 4: female characters are on this show? And I googled it
Speaker 4: and there was one female character out of like multitudes
Speaker 4: of characters. And then I saw it in a video
Speaker 4: that we rented and a little kids, you know, movie
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and I was like, wait, what
Speaker 4: what are we doing here? We're actually this is the
Speaker 4: twenty first century. Surely we should be showing kids that
Speaker 4: boys and girls share the sandbox equently. But I didn't
Speaker 4: just suddenly then launch an institute. I just started talking
Speaker 4: about it with whoever I happen to have a meeting with,
Speaker 4: have you ever noticed how few female characters there are
Speaker 4: in stuff made for kids? And every single person said, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: that's not true anymore. That's been fixed. And they would
Speaker 4: literally name a movie with one female character as proof
Speaker 4: that gender inequality was over. So that made me realize,
Speaker 4: this is completely unconscious. They do not and they would
Speaker 4: talk about how much they care about girls and our
Speaker 4: biggest goal is to do right by girls and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. And so that's made me think if I
Speaker 4: got the data and gave it shared it with them,
Speaker 4: because I believe it truly is unconscious it should have
Speaker 4: an impact, and so that is actually what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 2: So I have a question about this.
Speaker 3: So when when you shared the data with what it
Speaker 3: would like studios, is that.
Speaker 4: Production companies and guilds and everywhere everywhere?
Speaker 3: Did you get any pushback initially of people not really
Speaker 3: being interested in not wanting to see the dame?
Speaker 4: Not at all? And maybe it could potentially have been
Speaker 4: because I was talking about kids entertainment and people who
Speaker 4: make kids entertainment love kids, that's why they're doing it.
Speaker 4: And they were horrified. The universal reaction was they were
Speaker 4: absolutely floored to find that out because they literally had
Speaker 4: no idea. It was all unconscious like this, this weird
Speaker 4: unconscious feeling that if you have one important female character,
Speaker 4: you've covered females. So they were horrified. And that's why
Speaker 4: we've been able to make a lot of changes because
Speaker 4: they wanted to do better, and every meeting they were saying,
Speaker 4: can you do war research? Can you research us? Can
Speaker 4: you come back? Can you We need you to talk
Speaker 4: to our other division. So it's been pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely incredible. Yeah, and for representation, which obviously
Speaker 1: you know, we see so much. And I think that
Speaker 1: Shonda Rhymes has done I don't even know. I can't
Speaker 1: think of anyone who's done it better than her. Is that,
Speaker 1: you know, when she talks about what she's done on
Speaker 1: her shows and about who is in her shows and why,
Speaker 1: I am always like yes. And again when you say,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's very graceful to say unconscious,
Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with you, and we can do better,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't think it's a I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a I don't think it's a reason.
Speaker 1: I think it's a reason. I don't think it's acceptable
Speaker 1: right to say we're unconscious, right, Like it's our It's
Speaker 1: a lot of executives and actors and performers jobs to
Speaker 1: be conscious. We're consciously making art. So it's actually in
Speaker 1: our job description to understand what we're doing and why,
Speaker 1: and so we need to do.
Speaker 4: But I want to point oute that that behind the
Speaker 4: camera is completely different. That is in my unconscious bias.
Speaker 4: It was it was on screen specifically that I was
Speaker 4: talking about. But but yeah, but but Shonda, I mean,
Speaker 4: when you're go on that said, it's like it's the
Speaker 4: wonderful Wonderland or Old where in front of behind the camera.
Speaker 4: I mean, every possible facet of society is represented.
Speaker 6: So yeah, she's very good.
Speaker 4: I had the most magical experience on Tutsis as my
Speaker 4: first job. It couldn't have been better. I mean with
Speaker 4: not only is Sydney Pollack, you know, one of the
Speaker 4: best directors we've ever had, but but he really valued me.
Speaker 4: I mean he's an actor also, so he probably has
Speaker 4: a great appreciation for actors. But but I felt absolutely
Speaker 4: wanted and equal and competent, and you know, he always
Speaker 4: made me feel like I was part of the team.
Speaker 4: And Dustin Hoffman, I have to tell you it was
Speaker 4: incredibly supportive and became kind of a kind of a mentor.
Speaker 4: All day long, he'd be telling me, He say, I
Speaker 4: know you're going to have a career, so you need
Speaker 4: to do this. You know, you should read books and
Speaker 4: find and if there's a character you could play, you
Speaker 4: should see if you can option it, and literally stuff
Speaker 4: like that. He taught me how to watch dailies to
Speaker 4: an actor's benefit, and yeah, it was. It was amazing
Speaker 4: and I couldn't have had a better situation. And then
Speaker 4: Dabney Coleman was on that show, and he recommended me
Speaker 4: for a role in a TV show that he was
Speaker 4: going to do. So I was able to come out
Speaker 4: to La having been in a movie and with a
Speaker 4: as a series regular. So I mean, I had some
Speaker 4: really good fortune.
Speaker 3: So Jessica mentioned Thoma and Louise and I geeked out.
Speaker 3: I've been waiting for this to be mentioned because I'm
Speaker 3: such a huge fan. I want to know when you
Speaker 3: signed as such, I mean that movie, when you signed
Speaker 3: on for that movie, did you know from reading a
Speaker 3: script like this is lightning in a bottle, This is magic,
Speaker 3: This is going to explode and be huge or not.
Speaker 3: Have just love the script and didn't really think about right.
Speaker 4: No, no, none of us had any idea what was
Speaker 4: going to happen when it came out so wid a
Speaker 4: cultural nerve like that and exploded. No, no, we had
Speaker 4: no idea. When I read the script. It was already cast,
Speaker 4: by the way, by the time I saw it. But
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the best script. These are
Speaker 4: the best roles for women I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Okay, so someone was already cast in your role before
Speaker 3: you got it.
Speaker 4: Yes, but somebody just slipped me the script. This is
Speaker 4: the best roles in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Everybody's after how do I not know this part of
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 4: I told my agent, we have to stay on this
Speaker 4: in case something happens that it falls through. So he
Speaker 4: started calling Ridley Scott's office once a week just so
Speaker 4: you know, really okay okay. And then that all fell apart,
Speaker 4: and Ridley hired a new director and and my agent said,
Speaker 4: can Cagin to meet the new director. Know he already
Speaker 4: knows who he wants, but really, in trying to find
Speaker 4: directors and going through all this and explained it to
Speaker 4: them what he thinks thought the movie was about, made
Speaker 4: him realize, I know what this movie is. I'm going
Speaker 4: to just direct it. And so that's that's what happened.
Speaker 4: After going through these these various directors. This is a
Speaker 4: year later, and my agent called Ridley. I said, now
Speaker 4: that you're the director, I continue to meet with you. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: she's been very persistent. Yes. So I meet with Ridley
Speaker 4: and I am fired up. You know, I've got a
Speaker 4: year worth of passion. I had been meeting with my
Speaker 4: acting coach to work on a part that somebody else
Speaker 4: was cast in. That's how crazy I was. And I
Speaker 4: was working on Louise. My agent convinced me that I
Speaker 4: should be the other part. So I meet with Ridley
Speaker 4: and I'm pouring my heart out about why I absolutely
Speaker 4: have to be in this movie and I have to
Speaker 4: play Louise. He finally says, so, so, in other words,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't play Thelma. There was a slight pause, and
Speaker 4: I said, really, you know what's interesting is as I've
Speaker 4: been talking about me playing Louise and everything listening and
Speaker 4: it just doesn't sound right. I actually think I must
Speaker 4: play a smart woman. About why I absolutely had to
Speaker 4: be Oma. And then for a long time we didn't
Speaker 4: know who was going to be the other person, and
Speaker 4: he said, well, we'll see what part you play based
Speaker 4: on who the other person is and uh. And so
Speaker 4: then when he found Susan, it was obviously she was
Speaker 4: going to play Louise, said I would be a yeah.
Speaker 2: And that chemistry read in that chemistry read with Susan.
Speaker 3: Did you know like, oh, this is the fair, this
Speaker 3: is gonna no no, no, no, no no, no, nothing like
Speaker 3: that needed for for Susan.
Speaker 4: I mean, she was a big star and the first
Speaker 4: time I met her was with just Ridley and Susan,
Speaker 4: and I were going to go through the script and uh,
Speaker 4: you don't see if there's any little changes or anything
Speaker 4: we wanted to talk about. So we come in and
Speaker 4: I'm just like dazzled by her immediately, And I swear
Speaker 4: it was page one where she said, you know, my
Speaker 4: first ligne here. I think we should just cut it.
Speaker 4: We don't really need that. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right,
Speaker 4: we don't need that. And I was like, what just happened?
Speaker 4: Because there were a couple of little things that I
Speaker 4: wanted to talk about, but I had already planned the
Speaker 4: girliest possible ways to bring them up, like this one.
Speaker 4: I'll just pretend it's a joke, but maybe he'll say
Speaker 4: funny but interesting. Point so, and to see her move
Speaker 4: through the world throughout the entire shoot the way that
Speaker 4: she does. And I had just never been exposed to
Speaker 4: a woman who doesn't preface everything she says by this
Speaker 4: brob me a stupid idea and I maybe shouldn't even
Speaker 4: say this. Do you think we could possibly? And she
Speaker 4: doesn't doesn't do that. And people loved her, People love you,
Speaker 4: Everybody adored her. It wasn't well, we liked Gina a
Speaker 4: little better because she's really Mousey. It was it's like
Speaker 4: they love she says what she thinks, and it was
Speaker 4: so amazing. It was so life changing.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that so much. Your proximity to someone
Speaker 1: who's unwilling to people please or assume a role that
Speaker 1: is a little more accepted or were more versed in
Speaker 1: the platitudes that come before the ask or the demand
Speaker 1: is so interesting because I am absolutely a recovering people
Speaker 1: please her and Camila and I talked about this a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you follow horoscopes, maybe this will
Speaker 1: mean something to you, maybe it will mean nothing. But
Speaker 1: I am a Leo. She is Sagitarius, and this means
Speaker 1: lots of things for lots of different reasons that we
Speaker 1: don't need to bring into this conversation. Wait do you
Speaker 1: know what are you?
Speaker 4: Where is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Wait, what's Leo supposed to be? Like?
Speaker 1: Okay, go on, Jess, just honestly everything that you love,
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. Everything.
Speaker 2: Leo answer, ever.
Speaker 1: Loyal, loving all the things to you, all the things.
Speaker 1: And Camilla and I get into this conversation a lot
Speaker 1: because the premise of the podcast is also our bigger
Speaker 1: community and people calling in and writing in and sending
Speaker 1: messages and asking for you know, our take on things,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the times I will comment it
Speaker 1: from like let's be kind and let's think about what
Speaker 1: someone else would think. And Camilla feels exactly the same
Speaker 1: way that I do, and she will be Sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: just like I'm a little blunt. Maybe the don't need
Speaker 1: to be socking kind. Maybe when someone's an asshole, or
Speaker 1: maybe when you need something, you say what you need
Speaker 1: and the fact that you are kind is enough. You
Speaker 1: don't need to act kind, be kind platitudes platitudes like
Speaker 1: you just are kind and then you ask for what
Speaker 1: you need. So when I hear you say that, I
Speaker 1: think that must have been inspiring for you to have
Speaker 1: a partner in an unpredictable situation that you saw working
Speaker 1: your business in a different way.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it was like a three month lesson a training
Speaker 4: camp or something. It was just astounding every day, you know,
Speaker 4: it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Obviously your scenes with mister brad Pitt, I know we
Speaker 1: have to chalk about in a hotel room separate from her.
Speaker 1: Although she does admonish you for your gullibility, not for
Speaker 1: Thelma's gullibility. Was was she there to to be so
Speaker 1: level headed when he was around.
Speaker 4: Will I mean only for the scene, only for the
Speaker 4: scenes where we were together, you know, we had him
Speaker 4: in the car or whatever. She was there.
Speaker 6: She wasn't there that day. No, No, Oh my.
Speaker 1: Gosh, because I have to say that scene. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get it. Everyone's like, oh my gosh. You know obviously,
Speaker 1: like I mean, there were so many You were a
Speaker 1: star that was already born, but your chemistry and what
Speaker 1: you all did together birthed just him as a star
Speaker 1: as well, and that was very well documented and acknowledged.
Speaker 1: I personally think that it's watching it as an actor
Speaker 1: and as a just audience member, it's one.
Speaker 7: Of the most playful and spirited and free and being sexy,
Speaker 7: fun so hot.
Speaker 1: Watching you two together and seeing all that it was,
Speaker 1: it was next level, and I think that it was.
Speaker 1: It was also that Selma was in this relationship that
Speaker 1: was so closed and so like hent up and positioned
Speaker 1: where she had to be a certain thing, and you
Speaker 1: knew there was so much more to her, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like in this expression of relationship, in
Speaker 1: the chemistry between you and him, like this, just like
Speaker 1: it was explosive. Did it feel like that when you
Speaker 1: were doing it.
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to know. I'm like, is just
Speaker 2: going there because I need her to go?
Speaker 1: There wasn't as fun as it looked, Yes it was.
Speaker 4: It was really fun. It was really fun. And a
Speaker 4: lot of that playfulness came from from Brad. It's just
Speaker 4: so free. It's such an incredible actor. And and a
Speaker 4: lot of bits and things and and things were his
Speaker 4: were his idea in the movie. And uh, but but
Speaker 4: like in that scene we're I think we're doing handslapping
Speaker 4: and he he takes my ring off and puts it
Speaker 4: in a drink. My engagement ring. You know that was
Speaker 4: that was him, That was his idea.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Brad, I know, take all the rings, Brad,
Speaker 3: take all.
Speaker 1: Brad takes Yeah, off my engagement ring.
Speaker 2: I hate it, Like, give me a drink, Give me
Speaker 2: a drink.
Speaker 1: Stop taking off my engage M weird.
Speaker 2: You can't predict.
Speaker 3: What's so fun about saying chemistry like that is you
Speaker 3: really can't.
Speaker 2: You can't predict that kind of chemistry too.
Speaker 3: It's just it happens in the moment and it's just
Speaker 3: you can you can feel the heat off the screen.
Speaker 1: It was really important.
Speaker 4: It was very important. Really, I mean the fact that
Speaker 4: it's still you know, it's absolutely relevant and live. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: it hasn't. You know. Almost every five years there's some
Speaker 4: something or other for the anniversary and there'll be a
Speaker 4: screening or something, and Susan and I'll go and we'll
Speaker 4: go at the end, we'll go still holds up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes.
Speaker 4: We love it. It's I'm very lucky that I got
Speaker 4: to be a part of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know you've I have a question. So
Speaker 3: you've been in so many iconic movies and done so much.
Speaker 2: If you could go back and.
Speaker 3: Refilm something again and reh have that experience again, what
Speaker 3: project would you pick?
Speaker 4: Well, I'll start by saying, I want I've wanted to
Speaker 4: do a sequel to every movie I've ever been in.
Speaker 6: Except except of It, Louise.
Speaker 2: I know you can't. That might not work.
Speaker 4: What's Heaven Like, What's Heaven Like? This thing happened. But
Speaker 4: so I'll preface that I would want to do or
Speaker 4: I would want to reshoot Lung, catch Good Night Over
Speaker 4: again and do all that stuff again, or do new
Speaker 4: you know, Sam Jackson and I always talk about that,
Speaker 4: we want to do a sequel to that, But yeah,
Speaker 4: I just I it's it's hard to give up characters
Speaker 4: that you really love, you know. I always wish that
Speaker 4: it was a series instead, that you can keep playing.
Speaker 1: I was fifteen when it came out, and I remember
Speaker 1: sitting in Century City and watching the movie and having
Speaker 1: my mind because there were so many things that I
Speaker 1: had not.
Speaker 2: I had not known.
Speaker 1: Could be true. I just it was probably like one
Speaker 1: of the first movies that awakened my idea of paradox, right,
Speaker 1: that you could be happy and sad at the same time,
Speaker 1: that you could be adventurous and also domesticated, that you
Speaker 1: could be you know, all these different things that seemed
Speaker 1: very much at odds with each other. And I definitely
Speaker 1: felt very much like I was just going into the
Speaker 1: world as a young woman and understanding my sexuality and
Speaker 1: not completely understanding how it would be understood by others,
Speaker 1: And so watching You Two was just an unbelievable education
Speaker 1: and a phenomenal ride to go on. That being said,
Speaker 1: the other film that I watched definitely upwards of five
Speaker 1: times was a league of their own, and again an
Speaker 1: incredible athlete with just this insane affability and this just
Speaker 1: heart of gold and this, you know, don't sell yourself
Speaker 1: so short with your with your with your platitudes and
Speaker 1: your kindness. You you create these characters that just like
Speaker 1: melt into us and we just instantly champion and feel
Speaker 1: for and love and understand again in that particular movie,
Speaker 1: your strength and your ability as an athlete. At the
Speaker 1: same time you understanding the box that you were checking
Speaker 1: for your country and you are wanting to go home
Speaker 1: to a husband and a family. And I just remember
Speaker 1: seeing it all and feeling it all. And now we're
Speaker 1: living in a time where, you know, we have real
Speaker 1: women's sports teams that are being actually funded and so
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the recent news that will Obey and
Speaker 1: babyger bought Angel City f CLA, and understanding how women's
Speaker 1: sports teams are actually not only existing, thriving and being
Speaker 1: making badass and awesome, but people are going to like
Speaker 1: the games are being visited and the merchandise is being bought.
Speaker 1: I'm curious or do you keep up with that? Are
Speaker 1: you interested in that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think it's exciting. I just read yesterday that
Speaker 4: women won more than half of the gold medals that
Speaker 4: Americans they.
Speaker 1: Did not like yeah, yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, it's not about beating anybody, but
Speaker 4: just you know, being valued and being there. Like you said,
Speaker 4: it's incredible. So it's so inspiring. Yeah, it's really really,
Speaker 4: it's very cool.
Speaker 3: I remember I remember watching A League of Their Own
Speaker 3: for the first time because I loved that movie so much,
Speaker 3: and I remember thinking that I had not seen a
Speaker 3: sports movie about women before, and I was thinking about
Speaker 3: it before I got on the pod with you. Today,
Speaker 3: I can't think of a movie I watched before A
Speaker 3: League of Their Own that showed a group.
Speaker 2: Of women playing sports right, right, which.
Speaker 3: Is insane, by the way, because there are many many
Speaker 3: movies about men, right, There's so many, and.
Speaker 2: I could not it.
Speaker 3: Just I feel like you're always Gina, part of some
Speaker 3: sort of like breakthrough movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, the choice of a work that you do.
Speaker 2: I mean, that movie was really.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 2: It was just so inspiring. I had never seen that before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the press all said, because it was the number
Speaker 4: it still is the number one box office sports movie,
Speaker 4: a baseball movie, sorry, not sports movie, baseball movie. It's
Speaker 4: the number one baseball movie still. But all the press said, well,
Speaker 4: this will change everything. Now we're going to see so
Speaker 4: many female sports movie and I was just like, I
Speaker 4: can't wait. And then I think ten years later or
Speaker 4: sinthing Bennett Leffbreckham came out. Okay, but but it's that's
Speaker 4: not to say we haven't made progress, because we have,
Speaker 4: but it's been very slow since the days of Dolinoi's
Speaker 4: and lead of their own. As far as movies with
Speaker 4: strong female leads and more than one female, it's been
Speaker 4: it's been a slow But I have to say that
Speaker 4: some of the big action movies have changed things in
Speaker 4: some ways. You know, A Wonder Woman. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's and there's so many actresses that I admire,
Speaker 1: I mean, Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Garner occupying characters in
Speaker 1: huge franchises that that mean the most and are so
Speaker 1: strong and powerful as is you know, obviously huge. By
Speaker 1: the way we were talking about we were talking about
Speaker 1: being an athlete, and we were talking about sports, and
Speaker 1: obviously we've all been inspired by the Olympics that are past.
Speaker 1: But is it genuinely true that you almost made the
Speaker 1: Olympics team as an archer?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: No, but I was, I was. I was a me
Speaker 4: finally Olympic truck.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, well, that's almost making it. To me that
Speaker 1: almost that.
Speaker 2: Is almost making the team. That's to me, that's all
Speaker 2: the team when you've won.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and things grow on the internet. So
Speaker 4: first it was she was a semifinal that said, now
Speaker 4: I actually won the gold, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I definitely you thought you want the gold.
Speaker 2: Our notes say you won the gold, but I.
Speaker 4: Took up I took up archery at forty one and
Speaker 4: uh my, well you were talking about how I like
Speaker 4: have to dive into things and stuff. And my archery
Speaker 4: coach claims that at the first lesson I said, how
Speaker 4: old is you ald? Due to the Olympics at archery.
Speaker 4: I'm sure I didn't say that. I think you probably
Speaker 4: said that probably the next the second lesson, maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not competitive at all.
Speaker 2: That's wild by the way, that that's my favorite.
Speaker 3: We in England because I'm from England, you know. In
Speaker 3: England that's part of our pea lesson. We will do archery,
Speaker 3: and it was always my favorite. I loved archery. Growing
Speaker 3: it's making me think I want to know what is
Speaker 3: too old myself because I've gotten gold on the brain.
Speaker 3: After that was archery.
Speaker 1: Did it turned into like just a hobby, was just
Speaker 1: something that we.
Speaker 4: So I, as much as people might believe it, I'm
Speaker 4: an athlete, I really wasn't. Growing up. I was so
Speaker 4: tall and gangling. I was sure that I was not
Speaker 4: good at anything, and I didn't want to try anything.
Speaker 4: But obviously I had to learn baseball for leega of
Speaker 4: their own, and I was kind of good at learning it,
Speaker 4: and uh. And then I had to learn like sword
Speaker 4: fighting and taekwondo and horseback riding ice skating for other
Speaker 4: movies that I did, and I was kind of good
Speaker 4: at learning all those, and I thought, I want to
Speaker 4: take up a sport in the real way. I'm not
Speaker 4: the movie version of it, because they can make you
Speaker 4: look good.
Speaker 6: No matter what, you know.
Speaker 4: I didn't have to actually hit home runs in other words,
Speaker 4: So I decided I'm going to find something that I
Speaker 4: can learn in my real life. So it happened that
Speaker 4: the Olympics in it led the world and there was
Speaker 4: a lot of coverags of archery, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: it's very dramatic, you know, and beautiful, and I thought
Speaker 4: that could be my sport. So I so I took
Speaker 4: it up, and I can't do anything like as a hobby.
Speaker 4: I have to be very careful when I get interested
Speaker 4: in because whatever it is, I will want to go
Speaker 4: to the Olympics in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and or win Oscars.
Speaker 3: So you know we need you to start break dancing
Speaker 3: then no, please, I will allow Gina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nope, no, you know we're not We're not even allowed.
Speaker 3: We're not even doing that in the Olympics for la anymore.
Speaker 3: By the way, I read that, it's out. The category
Speaker 3: is out.
Speaker 1: Guess what was an Olympic sport?
Speaker 2: Just when you missed it, It's gone viral.
Speaker 1: So here's my question, what activity or your hobby at
Speaker 1: present time makes you lose track of time? Like where
Speaker 1: are you? Just like I'm doing this thing and it's
Speaker 1: my happy place and or is it still archery?
Speaker 4: No, no, I haven't shocked for a little while. But
Speaker 4: but well, I'm actually illustrating a children's book that I wrote,
Speaker 4: and I'm spending all my days drawing and and it's
Speaker 4: really fun. But it's you know, once I love drawing,
Speaker 4: I do it all the time, but then now that
Speaker 4: it's a job, it's like maybe I have to do
Speaker 4: this Crossford puzzle FROs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so procrastina.
Speaker 4: All I do is procrastinate it all day and I
Speaker 4: start about two.
Speaker 6: But what I'm just done. I'm just done.
Speaker 4: I'm working on the cover, so I'm do we know?
Speaker 2: Are we allowed to know what it's about? Can you
Speaker 2: tease for listeners?
Speaker 4: It's called The Girl who was Too Big for the Page?
Speaker 4: And it's about a girl who lives in a book
Speaker 4: but she grows a little taller than the page and
Speaker 4: so now what is she gonna do? She doesn't fit
Speaker 4: anymore unless she it scrunches herself down.
Speaker 1: So I love this, This is great.
Speaker 2: I love that. I'll be buying this. Do you know?
Speaker 3: Tell us you have to tell everyone when it's out
Speaker 3: so we can we can.
Speaker 2: All go get it. We cannot leave.
Speaker 3: I will not let you and Davis leave without her
Speaker 3: just saying something about beetle Jess.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, what do you want?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: That script would have been really crazy. Were you in
Speaker 3: though when you read that script? Because I feel you
Speaker 3: had to have a vision for that.
Speaker 4: I was absolutely in. And then I had a meeting
Speaker 4: with Tim Burton about it, and and I told him
Speaker 4: I get this. I get this movie. I really do.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be incredible. I don't know. And I
Speaker 4: got cast And he told me later that because I
Speaker 4: said that he cast me because he felt like he
Speaker 4: didn't quite know what it was about somebody.
Speaker 2: He was like, on the set, she's gonna know, yeah,
Speaker 2: so incredible.
Speaker 6: Oh I was.
Speaker 1: I was all in, yeah, Oh my gosh, well I yeah.
Speaker 1: And with with the with September fast approaching and there
Speaker 1: being a new one, I mean, no crazy, I know,
Speaker 1: crazy crazy. If you could be friends with any of
Speaker 1: the characters that you've played, who would they be?
Speaker 4: WHOA, I don't nobody ever asked me that. We think
Speaker 4: probably all of them. I know I liked all of them.
Speaker 1: But like, if you could put one in your pocket
Speaker 1: or on speed dial or as you're like number one
Speaker 1: in your starred contacts, like who are you fast?
Speaker 4: Bhona Frat if she wasn't dead Thelma, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I kind of I was hoping that'd be your answer.
Speaker 4: Muriel from Accidental Tourist, I would like to be friends
Speaker 4: with her.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, you know, I remember. It's so I don't
Speaker 1: know why, It's like it's a totally random and whatever,
Speaker 1: but I just remember again in the People people in
Speaker 1: the People, please her category, just always wanting to be
Speaker 1: liked and to sort of like get you know, whatever
Speaker 1: smarts that I had to offer the world to have
Speaker 1: them be you know, accepted and carried through with kindness
Speaker 1: and gentility and everything else that I had sort of
Speaker 1: felt like I needed to do. I remember that scene
Speaker 1: where Thelma they're on the road and his husband is
Speaker 1: on the phone with her and he sells, Thelma, you
Speaker 1: better get your butt back here. And I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but that whole like Thelma gets your butt back here thing,
Speaker 1: paste me off. It hit something in me that was
Speaker 1: like people pleaser cape off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh no.
Speaker 1: I am not. If I am Thelma or if I
Speaker 1: am Jessica, I am not getting my butt back there.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, my butt is going to be so.
Speaker 2: Far away from you.
Speaker 3: I love thinking about this how you're like fifteen year
Speaker 3: old Jesin Capshaw in the movie that are being like, you.
Speaker 4: Get your butt back here? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: You don't own me?
Speaker 4: That's where she's just narrow go yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was also like the perfect name that Kelly
Speaker 1: Cory had the best names. I mean, the fact that
Speaker 1: you got to as Thelma talked to Darryl and Darryl
Speaker 1: had built a filma and film would get your butt
Speaker 1: back here. Oh my god, it's like, I.
Speaker 6: Don't even remember how.
Speaker 4: You were talking about being a people pleaser and everything.
Speaker 4: Then why were you such a wise ass with me?
Speaker 1: What I grew out of it? Evolution, baby, Gina, you
Speaker 1: got the two point?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I have something to say about this.
Speaker 3: You Jessica picks and chooses the wise assery.
Speaker 4: Gina.
Speaker 3: We've been subjected to a capshaw that we shouldn't have.
Speaker 3: And I were part of an elite group, I wouldn't have.
Speaker 6: Love made my life. I wouldn't have a stip for
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 1: You guys get you get my truth, Sun, we get it.
Speaker 2: We get the truth.
Speaker 1: So you get my hard eye rolls and my wife.
Speaker 1: Everyone else thinks I'm so nice.
Speaker 6: If only they knew.
Speaker 2: They're fine out now because of the podcast. Gina, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for being here.
Speaker 3: I just I don't I just want to sit and
Speaker 3: listen to every story that you have.
Speaker 2: And you're just such an icon.
Speaker 3: I had to say before you came on the show,
Speaker 3: everyone was super nervous. But because you're you, and the
Speaker 3: first thing I asked when I got to set was
Speaker 3: is she nice? And everyone was like genuinely obsessed with
Speaker 3: you and said that you were the nicest, most incredible person.
Speaker 3: And it was so true, and just thank you for
Speaker 3: coming on and gracing all of your amazing presence with
Speaker 3: us and the Call It crew.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, guy, all of those incredible compliments.
Speaker 6: All I have to say is.
Speaker 1: She rolled her eyes. I know it was just it
Speaker 1: was il We have an I roll eve, an I
Speaker 1: roll on board.
Speaker 6: That's the honor of you, baby.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know it's so true. I'm the
Speaker 1: iroll queen. I love you, Gena Davis, thank you for coming.
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 6: My firm tofu.
Speaker 1: Why you know, maybe we go back to caramelized sweet Caro.
Speaker 2: Darling was good.
Speaker 1: It's by the way, just so you know it, because
Speaker 1: I looked back on our text that my first one
Speaker 1: was muppish little French, and I like to do my
Speaker 1: French accent on the show. Camilla really likes it.
Speaker 4: You called me that.
Speaker 1: I think it's my peach.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Oh, is that how bad Jessica's French accent?
Speaker 4: Was?
Speaker 2: You had no idea?
Speaker 1: I stand down.
Speaker 4: Oh you guys, thank you, we love you.
Speaker 2: Please come back anytime. You want both, all right, no
Speaker 2: big deal, Just a.
Speaker 1: Hollywood legend and call it what it is. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: just a Hollywood legend being legendary.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be starstruck on our pod, but
Speaker 3: it at there are moments there where I just was
Speaker 3: staring at her like a stalker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I felt a lot. But
Speaker 1: you know what I also really really enjoy and we
Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: used to representing a film or a TV show or
Speaker 1: a project, there's a there's an element of safeguarding where
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about things in a way that just
Speaker 1: positively frames everything and it's it's it's lovely, it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's great, it's interesting, it's informative. And there could be
Speaker 1: this other thing, which is the bringing of an X factor,
Speaker 1: And Gina brings the X factor. She really lets you
Speaker 1: into how she thinks who she is, the story that
Speaker 1: you know, I think that some people or some other
Speaker 1: people might guard or whatever, because I think she's just
Speaker 1: got such a big heart and because she lives so
Speaker 1: purely and kindly that she has nothing to hide, and
Speaker 1: so her stories are just super funny and she's she
Speaker 1: reveals so much about herself and her experiences, and so
Speaker 1: I found that so inspiring when I was working with
Speaker 1: her and again tonight and bringing her to the podcast,
Speaker 1: I just I'm reminded of of how much I love
Speaker 1: that part of her.
Speaker 2: No, she's exactly how I remember her. She's so cool.
Speaker 2: All right, Call It crew.
Speaker 3: We want to hear from you as always, and we're
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Speaker 3: you can email us at call it at iHeartRadio dot com.
Speaker 1: Oh, call It crew. We would love you so much.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I would also love to know
Speaker 1: what about these episodes is speaking to you? What are
Speaker 1: the things that you love? What are the ones that
Speaker 1: you're like meh, Hey, we can be bold, we can
Speaker 1: live our lives out love. I'm open to it. But
Speaker 1: it's just so important because we hold we hold you
Speaker 1: all so close, and we are pouring through these dms
Speaker 1: and emails and just feel so lucky to have you
Speaker 1: showing up in your very best and very worst selves
Speaker 1: as we all are in life, and thank you so
Speaker 1: keep it coming and have a wonderful night. Should we
Speaker 1: call it, let's call it the end of the episode.