Speaker 1: Revel. Revelly, look at it, you Jesus combat. No, you
Speaker 1: fit in seamlessly in this weird k Marx set.
Speaker 2: And hey, it's time to get weird. It's time for
Speaker 2: Morning Combat. Hello everyone, on this thirtieth day of March,
Speaker 2: here twenty twenty six, and welcome to another episode of
Speaker 2: Morning Combat. Holy smokes, we got a lot to talk
Speaker 2: about today. I am merely one half of your hosting duo.
Speaker 2: I joined you from the capitol of the Stabs right
Speaker 2: here in Washington, d joined by my brethren from Connecticut.
Speaker 2: And yet he's a trader to the city of Detroit.
Speaker 2: It's Chuck Minton Hall. What's up, Charles.
Speaker 3: It's baseball season, throwing a baseball cap, you know, the
Speaker 3: city alternative whatever they call that.
Speaker 1: So says Detroit. I like Detroit. You're a Tigers guy. No,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm a whore. Remember I was wearing
Speaker 1: the ZUFA boxing hat. One fucking whrror. It's a good
Speaker 1: start to the show right there. Yeah, exactly, dude. This
Speaker 1: weekend was great.
Speaker 2: UFC Seattle, great BFL Pittsburgh not for nothing. Also pretty great.
Speaker 2: RAF had kind of some fun moments as well. All
Speaker 2: the boxing basically came with finishes. I'm like, man, if
Speaker 2: they could all be like this, I don't think I'd
Speaker 2: ever leave my studio.
Speaker 1: That was all blast right.
Speaker 3: Every now and again we get one of these right,
Speaker 3: like where you get everything alignes, you get like several cards,
Speaker 3: everything pays off.
Speaker 1: You're kind of like having fun no matter which event
Speaker 1: you're watching. That was. That was really what it was. Like.
Speaker 3: I saw you tweet that, and I think you might
Speaker 3: have even said it before the PFL, but whatever it was,
Speaker 3: the PFL delivered to at the end of the night,
Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, man, you can't get better
Speaker 3: than that.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite nights, Chuck, this is true if
Speaker 2: you'll recall correctly, the night of Michael Chandler versus Eddie
Speaker 2: Alvarez one.
Speaker 1: Was the same.
Speaker 2: That's right, shogunhendo dude, and both of those fights are
Speaker 2: just all time I know, man madness, and they happened
Speaker 2: on the exact same day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was thinking about that, man.
Speaker 3: That was like I told I was like, you know
Speaker 3: what's funny is that that actually occurred to me too.
Speaker 1: I was like, do you remember that.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that because we had those fights
Speaker 3: and they were both ridiculous. You get maybe one of
Speaker 3: those every couple of years, and you got two in
Speaker 3: one night. I mean that was wild man.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in the third member here of the show.
Speaker 2: He is the intrepid producer and professional girlfriend ignorer. He's
Speaker 2: my friend in yours. It's Long Island Luke. Hello, fellow Luke.
Speaker 1: What's up? Boys?
Speaker 4: It was a great weekend of combat sports. Huh UFC
Speaker 4: Seattle definitely delivered. I let my watch along go a
Speaker 4: little long. We had rif we had PBC, we had PFL.
Speaker 4: It was a you know, a great ignorance weekend, as
Speaker 4: you might call it.
Speaker 1: LT.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of things to get to here
Speaker 2: on the show. Right before we do that, though, Long
Speaker 2: Island put up the picture of our dear friend. Look
Speaker 2: at this. Look at this fucking photo. Hey, which one
Speaker 2: of these is?
Speaker 1: It's not like the other.
Speaker 2: From left to right, it's Brian Custer, who of course
Speaker 2: does PBC broadcast as well as ESPN. And then of
Speaker 2: course you've got my hero in the middle, Camron Cameron Giles,
Speaker 2: and then on the right some fucking goofball that they
Speaker 2: just threw at the end of a broadcast because they
Speaker 2: needed someone to do it.
Speaker 1: It's Brian fucking Campbell. Can you believe this picture?
Speaker 2: So I actually told bc BC hit me up. He's like, yo,
Speaker 2: I'm doing this show. It was like a pre fight
Speaker 2: show for the PBC broadcast. They're gonna have Cameron on there,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, dude, you got to tell
Speaker 2: him that Purple Hayes is one of my favorite albums.
Speaker 2: In fact, on MK his Street Chuck, they asked us
Speaker 2: many years ago, you know, make your top five favorite albums. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Cameron's Purple Haze is on that list for really Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Remember when they asked us, I do remember when you
Speaker 1: guys are going over this. I don't. It's one of
Speaker 1: the I don't. That album is so fucking good. It's hard.
Speaker 2: It just it holds up in all the best ways. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So I told him to tell him that, and he
Speaker 2: he claims he did, and he claims that he appreciative.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid.
Speaker 3: Remember him, Oh you weren't with us, But like he
Speaker 3: walked up to Peter Yan and the and the casino
Speaker 3: at one time and just kind of hey man, it's
Speaker 3: Peter Yan and made this big deal of it. And
Speaker 3: you can see that Peter was like, dude, come on, gad, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's not afraid. He is not afraid to go make
Speaker 3: an ass of himself.
Speaker 2: You know, he certainly isn't, although he did a pretty
Speaker 2: good job on the broadcast. We'll talk about that Keith
Speaker 2: Thurman fight a little bit later, all right.
Speaker 3: I know what though, Man, just looking at that real
Speaker 3: quick at the MGM Grand, don't you kind of miss
Speaker 3: that arena?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 3: I used to love when the MGM, Yeah, the MGM
Speaker 3: Grand whatever they call it, the Garden arena there, Like,
Speaker 3: I love that place.
Speaker 1: Man. The UFC doesn't go there anymore, but that was
Speaker 1: that was the place to go.
Speaker 2: A ten thousand at no more, I mean fifteen thousands,
Speaker 2: a little big, but like a ten to tall thousand
Speaker 2: person arena is fucking perfect, yeah, because there's basically no
Speaker 2: bad seat, and especially for.
Speaker 3: Boxing, and it was so like it's been some of
Speaker 3: the best fights went down there, man, and just it
Speaker 3: would get so wildly anyway, all.
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Speaker 1: All right, So there you have it, all right, Chuck?
Speaker 1: Am I missing anything else? No?
Speaker 2: I think you've hit it all all right. With that
Speaker 2: in mind, let's start with topic number one. If we
Speaker 2: can all right, where else to go? But the main
Speaker 2: event from Ufcattle on a very packed and very fun weekend.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that main event.
Speaker 2: Joe Piper stops is Real at Asnia in the second
Speaker 2: round with strikes basically from the back, from the mounted
Speaker 2: or back mounted position. So there's a million things, as
Speaker 2: you can see here on your screen for those watching,
Speaker 2: you can see here the position from which it ended
Speaker 2: hip in and he's just unloading and basically is he
Speaker 2: could not get his base under himself, Chuck. So the
Speaker 2: question here is I think the ultimate one because it
Speaker 2: dictates a lot of the subsequent conversation. What is the
Speaker 2: truth here, Chuck? Is it a Israel Atasanja looked like
Speaker 2: a diminished version of himself or is it b Pifer
Speaker 2: really leveled up?
Speaker 3: Oh man, you know, it's such a chicken shit way
Speaker 3: to go about it.
Speaker 1: But isn't it some of both?
Speaker 3: I mean, if I look at it strictly from the
Speaker 3: piper lens, I'm thinking, yes, that was a very good fight.
Speaker 1: I thought he did what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 3: It's almost like his eyes lit up though when he
Speaker 3: stood in front of him in that second round, Because
Speaker 3: obviously he wanted to play that game, and he played
Speaker 3: it very well and that's why he won the fight
Speaker 3: in the end.
Speaker 1: So I thought he performed really well.
Speaker 3: And sometimes these guys, remember with his Jack Hermanson fin,
Speaker 3: I think that was a main event, right, and it
Speaker 3: did not go his way, And there was a little
Speaker 3: bit of that. There's always this there's always this guy
Speaker 3: that you worry about who shows up every other time,
Speaker 3: but when he gets a big spot, he doesn't show up.
Speaker 1: And I was a little bit worried about that for Joe.
Speaker 3: Pifer, especially given the sort of circumstance against Israel Adisignia.
Speaker 1: But I thought he held up really well. Man.
Speaker 3: So if I'm if I, if I'm forced to make
Speaker 3: the decision on that, I would say that I was
Speaker 3: more impressed with Joe Pifer because I thought, I thought,
Speaker 3: is he and I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on
Speaker 3: this too. I thought he was game in this way
Speaker 3: that you know, he's kind of bold and like, you know,
Speaker 3: giving into his impulses and things like that at the
Speaker 3: right times. He's made a name basically in a fight
Speaker 3: game by being that kind of guy. And it's almost
Speaker 3: like he was like, you know, what in the second round,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go for it. And I didn't think
Speaker 3: he was fighting poorly up until that point. I just
Speaker 3: felt like he threw caution to the wind at that point,
Speaker 3: and you know, it kind of ended up the way
Speaker 3: it ended up. But I didn't really feel like it
Speaker 3: was the worst performance I thought. I guess I was
Speaker 3: bracing for something that could have gone a lot worse
Speaker 3: for him in that fight.
Speaker 2: I mean, both is the certainly the more realistic answer,
Speaker 2: because it's just the way that like, for example, on
Speaker 2: the Joe Pifer side, Chuck right, Yeah, you have a
Speaker 2: guy who is still, I think a little limited in
Speaker 2: what his offensive offensive options are on the feet. But
Speaker 2: for example, he played an up and down game here
Speaker 2: the fight finished on the ground, not with submissions, but
Speaker 2: by taking it to the ground. And he also adapted
Speaker 2: to that. Right, he didn't take Izzy down against the fence.
Speaker 2: On the fence line is he's very difficult to get down.
Speaker 2: This one was in the middle of the cage, where
Speaker 2: is he's tacked on the fence really is not nearly
Speaker 2: as good as it is when he's on the fence line,
Speaker 2: So that was a different adjustment. He did a good job,
Speaker 2: tight positioning, came back on top, took the back. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's lots of parts of how he's added the ground
Speaker 2: dimension as a really potent force in his game that
Speaker 2: to me shows definite development for sure. Also on the feet,
Speaker 2: he just didn't make as many crazy decisions. You know,
Speaker 2: he certainly can mix it up and play a little
Speaker 2: bit of a dangerous game, and he did, but you know,
Speaker 2: in general, he wasn't quite like the like it wasn't
Speaker 2: blitzing in the same way that I saw him before.
Speaker 2: So I think that's definitely an improvement and all that
Speaker 2: should count. However, I thought he was sucking Lynd a
Speaker 2: little bit there in late in the second round. You know,
Speaker 2: he had no real answer for Izzy's leg kicks, which
Speaker 2: are good, but still he had basically no answer for them.
Speaker 1: And to me, it's like, is his game developing? Yes?
Speaker 2: To me, as I mentioned, he's mixing in more of
Speaker 2: the ground and he's eliminating some of the weaknesses in
Speaker 2: his defense. Yeah, but I just don't feel like I've
Speaker 2: seen a huge sea change on the feet. I'm like,
Speaker 2: just let me ask you, Chuck if the next fight
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about.
Speaker 1: This a little bit more.
Speaker 2: But I just as a litmus test, would you favor
Speaker 2: him over Fluffy?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man?
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's kind of one of those fights
Speaker 3: I thought about a little bit, but probably not. I
Speaker 3: just think, you know, and again, you know, you're talking
Speaker 3: about Fluffy, who is pretty good everywhere, but I also
Speaker 3: think that he's got that dog in him that will,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of reach to certain depths to get
Speaker 3: it done. I just I don't think so. I heard
Speaker 3: a lot of people and maybe this is the recency thing, right,
Speaker 3: like you hear people kind of injecting, you know, Pifer
Speaker 3: into and I guess it's because you're beating Israelada Sena
Speaker 3: that looks very good in a main event, but he
Speaker 3: shouldn't be anywhere near a title shot yet in my mind,
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got a division where there's a lot
Speaker 3: of guys now kind of cued up there, and like
Speaker 3: you just mentioned, just threw out one name of guys
Speaker 3: above him, or at least that were above him in
Speaker 3: the rankings, But I think they are a bunch that
Speaker 3: you could be like, I'm not sure Joe Pifer beats
Speaker 3: that guy or that guy or that guy, And I
Speaker 3: feel like, you know what I'm trying to say, is
Speaker 3: there's probably more to be seen to feel like he
Speaker 3: could be a true contender before you'd put him in there.
Speaker 3: I did see a lot of people, man, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you did too that were like, hey, put him in
Speaker 3: like a title eliminator against so and so or whatever
Speaker 3: it is against you know, Nascardine or one of those
Speaker 3: type of fights. And I don't know if I'd go
Speaker 3: that far yet. I think i'd still rather see him,
Speaker 3: you know, take out one of the guys in the
Speaker 3: in the ten to six range before I'd go that far.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I totally agree.
Speaker 2: And I mean if the rankings in this one had
Speaker 2: been more close together, that that's what would have been
Speaker 2: next to Anyway, it's because is he had such a
Speaker 2: high ranking position relative to Joe that now it creates
Speaker 2: for like a well, who's the next thing. We're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about that in a moment. The point I want
Speaker 2: to make, though, Chuck, was that as you can see,
Speaker 2: like there are real ways to look at Joe's game
Speaker 2: and be like this is getting better, you know, and
Speaker 2: in ways it matter. But the problem for me was,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned some of the some of the some
Speaker 2: of the same things I saw in the stand up
Speaker 2: were a little bit again, more measured, but not new.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the difference. Uh.
Speaker 2: And I just don't know how you can watch this
Speaker 2: fight and think that is he looks and not diminished.
Speaker 2: He looks diminished to me, And how could he not?
Speaker 2: The guys had, you know, new what how many fights
Speaker 2: this guy ever had in his life? Over I think
Speaker 2: over a hundred all told. I was like, I think
Speaker 2: you can see a certain amount of them, but I
Speaker 2: think there are a bunch of others that aren't even listed.
Speaker 2: So say nothing of the Jim Wars to say nothing
Speaker 2: of you know what I mean? Like the guy. The
Speaker 2: fact that he's even as fresh as he is is
Speaker 2: frankly something of a minor miracle.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't take any great pleasure in saying this. I thought, Chuck,
Speaker 2: what I think what you saw, which was I went
Speaker 2: back and I watched it today. I actually think he
Speaker 2: fought a pretty good first round. Leg kicks were working,
Speaker 2: He wasn't getting baited, you know what I mean? He
Speaker 2: was he was kind of staying to himself and fought
Speaker 2: fighting a very disciplined clearly sticking to the game plan,
Speaker 2: kind of approach. But in the second round, he just
Speaker 2: started off doing that and then let it go right.
Speaker 2: And you know, there was situations where he's staring off
Speaker 2: with him and not pulling the trigger, which I thought
Speaker 2: was kind of weird. There's moments where he's just wrecked,
Speaker 2: being reckless and standing right in front of him, which
Speaker 2: is he's done before, but now he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: reflexes to either get away or counter, and so it's
Speaker 2: just the doubt, like what once trouble starts, it builds
Speaker 2: super quickly against him.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen its scene. We've seen it before too.
Speaker 3: With these guys who've been elusive over their careers, they're
Speaker 3: able to kind of get out of the way of
Speaker 3: trouble or they're very just good at dick from a
Speaker 3: counter position where they can, like you know, they let
Speaker 3: they punish the aggression come in at them. This one
Speaker 3: felt like a minefield the whole way because I think,
Speaker 3: you know, you go back to is he's last fight
Speaker 3: against uh Nacerdine, and you you know, the way he
Speaker 3: was finished in that one kind of raised the red flags.
Speaker 3: The big difference was that first round, especially after whatever
Speaker 3: it was, thirteen months out of the cage. You think
Speaker 3: he's never really had this big of a break in
Speaker 3: his career. Maybe something, you know, maybe something changes, even
Speaker 3: at thirty six years old. We've seen other people kind
Speaker 3: of resurrect that way. But it was almost as if
Speaker 3: he himself was like, what am I doing here? If
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna throw down? It was it was weird,
Speaker 3: and I was you know, what did you think of that?
Speaker 3: Because why do guys suddenly, you know, kind of say like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to stand right in front of you and
Speaker 3: We're going to trade. It makes for an exciting fight,
Speaker 3: But I always feel like the guy, like you're mentioning
Speaker 3: the in diminishing returns, the guy who's kind of the
Speaker 3: the one who's trying to be overthrown, come out short
Speaker 3: on those exchanges, in those desperation moments, right Like, I
Speaker 3: don't feel like too many guys at that point of
Speaker 3: their career when they're trying to snap a losing skid
Speaker 3: and they're like, you know what, let's throw caution in
Speaker 3: the win. It rarely works out that you see a
Speaker 3: guy succeed in that kind of thinking.
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 3: It's almost like because he's been so different, you know,
Speaker 3: and You've talked to him tons of times, man, I
Speaker 3: know he's like a fan of yours too, like in
Speaker 3: your breakdowns and stuff. And it just seemed to me
Speaker 3: like he was like, you know what, man, why am
Speaker 3: I doing? Like he said in his post fight, like
Speaker 3: he wanted to feel like he's in a fight, and
Speaker 3: I just felt like he was like, let's just throw down,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just but it was
Speaker 3: unique in the sense like if you go back and
Speaker 3: watch his these earlier fights, he used caution in the
Speaker 3: right way over the course of a lot of his
Speaker 3: early times when he was winning all those fights. So
Speaker 3: was it felt like he just entered a minefield willingly
Speaker 3: and he got blown up in the end there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think people need to ask themselves a
Speaker 2: question and listen. He's not going to listen to me
Speaker 2: about this, nor do I expect him to. And who
Speaker 2: knows if he listens to his coach. Who knows if
Speaker 2: he listens to his own inner dialogue about this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if.
Speaker 2: These decisions about when to walk away are tough for anybody,
Speaker 2: and I fully respect that, but like, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're going to do this job, I think you have
Speaker 2: to do the job kind of honestly, and how I
Speaker 2: want folks to think about something. How can you reconcile
Speaker 2: the same guy that was so mentally focused before the
Speaker 2: fifth round of a Gastolm fight where he's swollen and
Speaker 2: beaten up and he looks across the octagon and he says,
Speaker 2: I'm prepared to die. Like, think about how focused he
Speaker 2: was about the cost of the mission and then versus
Speaker 2: this one where something went a little bit wrong and
Speaker 2: then or you know, who knows. I'm maybe he got
Speaker 2: hit in the nose. I've seen that, speculator, because Chuck,
Speaker 2: if you see there's a moment where uh Piper has
Speaker 2: his back and it's kind of exposing the chest of
Speaker 2: is he to the sky and see him visibly win. Yes,
Speaker 2: there was something, there was something I think wrong with
Speaker 2: him there in that regard. But I'm just sort of
Speaker 2: pointing out contrast that that focus to the level of
Speaker 2: focus We're like, fuck it, I'm just going to stand
Speaker 2: in front of you, like the I from that time,
Speaker 2: who could marshal the internal psychological and cognitive forces together.
Speaker 2: He could not do that here. He couldn't even get
Speaker 2: close to it here. And I realized the stakes are different,
Speaker 2: the time of his life is different. But that's my point.
Speaker 2: He cannot bring himself to do it. You're asking why
Speaker 2: he did that, like why did he stand in front
Speaker 2: of him? I think a lot of times these you know,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing obviously, Yeah, I think he's trying to find
Speaker 2: something in himself that he doesn't feel as much anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with that interpretation, but there is an
Speaker 2: interpretation you can. Again, this is not I don't agree
Speaker 2: with this, but one interpretation is that like always looking
Speaker 2: for a way out. I don't think that's quite right,
Speaker 2: but I do think he was looking for a way
Speaker 2: to like manufacture something inside of him. And that's why,
Speaker 2: like after the fight's over, he's like very nonchalant about
Speaker 2: the loss, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, And then you know, we've seen him lose
Speaker 3: in these situations. That Sean Strickland fight was only like
Speaker 3: a downhill on slot at some point. It just seemed
Speaker 3: like he just once it started going in a certain direction,
Speaker 3: he was not able to correct it and get it
Speaker 3: back on course. And you wonder sometimes if something like
Speaker 3: that which kicked off I think the red flag season
Speaker 3: for him sticks in your head and where you're like,
Speaker 3: I just don't want to like enter into a five
Speaker 3: round type thing where it starts to go downhill on
Speaker 3: me and I have no say in it. And if
Speaker 3: you remember, I mean obviously like his big win in
Speaker 3: the last five fights was that that crazy victory when
Speaker 3: he folded uh Alex Pereira and it was kind of
Speaker 3: in a situation like this where he just kind of
Speaker 3: chomped down on the mouth, you know, the mouthpiece, and
Speaker 3: and and threw a big punch and landed it. And
Speaker 3: if that's your success over the last whatever amount of
Speaker 3: years it's been, and that was the one way that
Speaker 3: you can kind of staunch the larger picture, like from
Speaker 3: kind of unfolding in front of you and kind of
Speaker 3: showing that you are truly diminished.
Speaker 1: It's not the worst way to go out.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, like you said about you.
Speaker 3: Know why he chose to basically go that direction, But
Speaker 3: I mean, if you just look at the at the
Speaker 3: results over the last bunch of years he had and
Speaker 3: I'm I hate using the word outclass, but he has
Speaker 3: not been the same right Like, And that show on
Speaker 3: Strickland one was the first one that I really saw
Speaker 3: where You're like, man, what's going on with Israel out
Speaker 3: of son And I'm not sure he's ever really gotten
Speaker 3: it back. Even in that Perira fight that we're talking
Speaker 3: about where he won, he wasn't doing great in that fight.
Speaker 3: He was on the verge there too, right of maybe
Speaker 3: going out. So yeah, it's just it's it's rough, but
Speaker 3: I felt, you know, maybe he just felt like that
Speaker 3: was his best opportunity to get it done, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: And one last thing, I'm glad you brought that up again.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true. I have no
Speaker 2: idea speculative show, Luke, I mean, yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is what we do in the show.
Speaker 1: We baselessly speculate.
Speaker 2: But the thing for me is, I think it took
Speaker 2: him more of himself to get that win over Poeton
Speaker 2: that way, you know, this sort of triumphant final, say
Speaker 2: not in their overall careers, but.
Speaker 1: In their particular fighting history together.
Speaker 2: I think it took so much resources for him to
Speaker 2: get there, and he had to give so much to
Speaker 2: that process, and I think it meant so much to
Speaker 2: him in terms of like just satisfying his soul that
Speaker 2: I don't know that he had the same fire afterwards.
Speaker 1: I mean, you haven't realize, dude.
Speaker 2: Think the older you get, you'll realize events in your life.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they can add things to you, and sometimes they
Speaker 2: can take things from you and your character and who
Speaker 2: you are. Again, it can go both ways. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's all negative or all positive.
Speaker 1: Chuck.
Speaker 2: Life is a funny way of just changing you. But sometimes, Chuck,
Speaker 2: and I know you can speak to this too. I'm
Speaker 2: not making this up. Sometimes you can feel it, like
Speaker 2: if there's a traumatic event right in them mediate and something,
Speaker 2: you can feel it happened to yourself. But a lot
Speaker 2: of times there'll be an inflection point in your life
Speaker 2: and it takes you years before you can even see that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you agree with that, but I
Speaker 2: feel like that's true. I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And remember too, like the psychological toll of the Perreira series,
Speaker 3: essentially because we were talking about everybody talked about like
Speaker 3: this goes back to Glory. This guy was basically invented,
Speaker 3: you know, to come into the UFC and be the
Speaker 3: guy to kind of be the boogeyman for Israel out
Speaker 3: of son and at the time it seemed like it
Speaker 3: was even a thing. But as he got closer and closer,
Speaker 3: it felt like, Okay, this guy was put on earth
Speaker 3: to come and you know, haunt Israel out of Sonya.
Speaker 1: And then he does. And I think, you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about this.
Speaker 3: I know BC used to bring it up because we
Speaker 3: talked about on a show where like maybe this has
Speaker 3: never been about Israel out of son Maybe this has
Speaker 3: been Alex Perreira's story the whole way, you know, And
Speaker 3: he kind of took that attitude like he was sort
Speaker 3: of like I felt like a little bit of his
Speaker 3: identity where he was like, you know, what is unfolding here.
Speaker 3: I remember him talking a lot about this and he
Speaker 3: was able to get that victory. So when you say
Speaker 3: that the toll it took to get it, I really
Speaker 3: believe that he probably had to go to some places
Speaker 3: in his mind, just like you were mentioned with Gasolon,
Speaker 3: like some places in his mind that you know, it
Speaker 3: would be like ordinary people wouldn't understand, Like he just
Speaker 3: such that finally sense Now did he leave it all there?
Speaker 3: That's the question, man, That is the question. But that
Speaker 3: there was a big psychological, a big mental toll that
Speaker 3: he took to to win that series or at least
Speaker 3: even it out on that scale, and he hasn't really
Speaker 3: been the same since, right, So sometimes you don't know, man,
Speaker 3: Like you just don't know how much you're you're giving
Speaker 3: way and you think you're the same guy, you think
Speaker 3: you're walking in the same but clearly you've lost something.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I mean, we all treat it like you can just
Speaker 2: cut you know, not that you can reproduce the same
Speaker 2: kinds of will you know forever. Of course it all
Speaker 2: comes to a close, you know. But I think there's
Speaker 2: times that fighters don't realize that they have to give
Speaker 2: something to a mission that takes something from them where
Speaker 2: they're gonna succeed, but then they're not going to be
Speaker 2: able to be the same afterwards as a result of
Speaker 2: what that contribution took. How true that is with this,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see.
Speaker 3: He seems to be and I mean, maybe you can
Speaker 3: speak to this a little bit, but like he seems
Speaker 3: to be dissociating almost with victory, Like so the wins
Speaker 3: and losses, He's like, all right, that's great, I might lose,
Speaker 3: but I'll stay undefeated. And I mean this is an
Speaker 3: attitude to take, you know, And especially I wrote about
Speaker 3: this like a cruel game that basically takes away everything
Speaker 3: that it gives you in the end. You know, he's
Speaker 3: he's got the attitude of I'm gonna take losses. That's okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just keep going until you guys kicked me out.
Speaker 3: What do you think of that, man, Because obviously we're
Speaker 3: sitting here talking. Yeah, I mean, but this is because
Speaker 3: we've seen this a lot. Right, he's a very different fighter. Like,
Speaker 3: he's very different. His mindset is very different. So it's
Speaker 3: not like you see you know this recurring. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not like the same person. It's it's always comes
Speaker 3: from a different lays. You might give him a little
Speaker 3: more leeway, but it's like one of those things that
Speaker 3: you're like, man, that's scary, right, Like the guy wants it,
Speaker 3: like he's like, I don't see an end of the sight.
Speaker 2: I want to keep doing this. Let me say something
Speaker 2: about that. I'm so glad you brought this up, Chuck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm really, really, I'm quite glad. One of the arguments
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna make this work. Just follow me
Speaker 2: for a second. One of the arguments actually in favor
Speaker 2: of boxing's pay structure relative to MMA. Is what you'll
Speaker 2: hear is this is common chuck you for just a
Speaker 2: million times. I'm sure, hey, MMA may not pay the
Speaker 2: high end guys the same. But it's got a middle class.
Speaker 2: You've heard that right, Yes, it's like a middle class.
Speaker 2: And that sounds real nice because we associate middle class
Speaker 2: with our own middle class, like, you know, having the
Speaker 2: opportunity to send your kids to school, get an education,
Speaker 2: you know, live a decent life, own your own home.
Speaker 2: You know what we all associate middle class living to be.
Speaker 2: It sounds intuitively quite nice. But the older I get,
Speaker 2: and the more fights I watch, and the more I
Speaker 2: see the life cycle of everyone's career, the more I'm
Speaker 2: beginning to think you actually don't want a middle class
Speaker 2: in fighting. That's actually not a thing that you want.
Speaker 2: What you want are haves and have nots. Because and
Speaker 2: this is why, not that you want people to be abused,
Speaker 2: but that the game is so brutal and it does
Speaker 2: nothing but take from you that the only real way
Speaker 2: that you can justify doing it for a long time
Speaker 2: is if it confers extraordinary, very financial reward.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the way.
Speaker 2: Or you get out early enough, like Habib got out
Speaker 2: early so that the trade was pretty good actually in
Speaker 2: the end. And if you have a middle class, what
Speaker 2: ends up happening is you just have guys that you know,
Speaker 2: they have to fight for a very long time. They actually,
Speaker 2: you know, they earn a respectable living by middle class standards,
Speaker 2: but they end up taking like an enormous amount of
Speaker 2: abuse because they go much longer than they ordinarily would.
Speaker 2: It's something to think about. Why do I bring this up?
Speaker 2: Obviously I don't think Izzy is in that financial condition,
Speaker 2: but he's in this kind of same competitive condition where
Speaker 2: you're just keeping going well past the point of sanity,
Speaker 2: well past the point of like, here's why we do this.
Speaker 2: We do this so we can make a shitload of
Speaker 2: money and then get the fuck out. That's the job.
Speaker 2: If you're not able to be a part of that
Speaker 2: track and the things that are part of it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is nothing but a depletion machine.
Speaker 1: It will just destroy you. There's no way to beat this.
Speaker 1: It cannot be done.
Speaker 2: And I really really think that people around him need
Speaker 2: to be in his ear to make him see this
Speaker 2: is going to do nothing but deplete you from here
Speaker 2: on out.
Speaker 1: That's what I believe. It's one hundred percent well stated.
Speaker 3: And I mean the Anderson Silva thing is very similar, right,
Speaker 3: like in in a way like because Anderson Silva. In fact,
Speaker 3: they kind of fed Anderson Silva too, Israel out of
Speaker 3: sending to kind of get him over and take the juice. Remember,
Speaker 3: but it's kinda he knows that he knows how this goes. Man,
Speaker 3: he knows the dog eat dog nature. That's what's so crazy.
Speaker 3: He's very self aware of his situation. But you're right
Speaker 3: because it's an ever narrowing path that you're on as well,
Speaker 3: Like not only are you losing, but now you're sort
Speaker 3: of like making the matchmaker say who do you?
Speaker 1: Who do you put him against? Do you? Are you
Speaker 1: trying to get him back on track?
Speaker 3: Because there's a there's a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 3: and I remember talking about this with BJ Pennet. Didn't
Speaker 3: work out for him obviously, but like if you if
Speaker 3: you put him against the guy that he should beat
Speaker 3: and he ends up winning, what does that do? Does
Speaker 3: an extend his kind of mindset as to how far
Speaker 3: he wants to take it again? That can be a
Speaker 3: brutal thing, right, just giving somebody some false, you know, confidence,
Speaker 3: Not that he he's very mentally strong guy. I'm sure
Speaker 3: he sees it all the way that it's meant to
Speaker 3: be seen, But I it's it's a narrowing path and
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, like, you know, I'm not sure what
Speaker 3: the what are the what are the matchmaker's even gonna do?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, what would you do
Speaker 1: with him?
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can get another one of these type
Speaker 3: of events where he can be a main event and
Speaker 3: and some fight night or something like that. But if
Speaker 3: the stakes, like he's a guy who's a high stakes guy, right,
Speaker 3: Like he's played the high stakes the whole time, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what it does for anybody here other than
Speaker 3: the make I mean, especially if he goes out and wins.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's a weird situation because I think,
Speaker 3: how did you did you think that he might hang
Speaker 3: it up after this fight? I was under the suspicion
Speaker 3: that he might, you know what I mean, Like he's
Speaker 3: one of those guys who sees the big picture and
Speaker 3: he might walk away. I guess the revelation was that's
Speaker 3: now not how he's thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I didn't think he would call it
Speaker 2: a day at Seattle, But I thought if he lost
Speaker 2: this way, he might like, hey, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's left right and have to go back and
Speaker 2: think about it something like that.
Speaker 3: And then no, Yeah, I mean so it's would you
Speaker 3: who would you match him? If he's going to fight? Like,
Speaker 3: what what do you do with this guy?
Speaker 1: At this? So it's a great question.
Speaker 2: I mean, Robert Whitaker sitting at nine that one again,
Speaker 2: I guess he's going to two.
Speaker 1: Five or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I talked about this yesterday's Mission Radio.
Speaker 1: How about Kelvin Gastolam rematch?
Speaker 4: Wow, It's like, yeah, I know you're scoffing at it, Luke,
Speaker 4: and I know fame Luke as relevant as he is today.
Speaker 1: But you can make that a fun fight and you
Speaker 1: don't have to make it a main event either. You
Speaker 1: could have it. And I'm just honest. Can I just
Speaker 1: be honest? Man?
Speaker 2: Like I when I say this, I mean this with
Speaker 2: one hundred percent sincerity.
Speaker 1: I don't care if he never fights.
Speaker 2: I mean I do care, but I'm saying I don't
Speaker 2: want him to fight another round ever. Again, I agree,
Speaker 2: and like to the point where you're asking me, who
Speaker 2: could you put him against I don't even want to
Speaker 2: think about it, you know what I mean. I'm at
Speaker 2: that place like I don't it doesn't like this has
Speaker 2: come to a close for me in all its usefulness.
Speaker 2: Everything after this is bad.
Speaker 3: If he walks away right now, you still think, like
Speaker 3: in my mind because you even look at the reception
Speaker 3: he got eighteen thousand people Seattle. It's not his hometown,
Speaker 3: right obviously, like they drop the lights, he comes out,
Speaker 3: big pop. I felt like the whole room was a
Speaker 3: partisan crowd for him. He walks away right now, don't
Speaker 3: you think that he's still like his legacy is intact.
Speaker 3: I think that most people would look at they're going
Speaker 3: to look at his run ahead of all of this
Speaker 3: stuff at the end of it, and there was nothing
Speaker 3: really because he was fighting monsters and even Joe Pifer
Speaker 3: was a hard fight, right. There's no shame in kind
Speaker 3: of the way it went down in the end. The
Speaker 3: bottom line is, I think everybody at this point he
Speaker 3: had such a weird it factor through his process that
Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to remember. That's if he gets
Speaker 3: in now. The only thing you start to do at
Speaker 3: some point is to take away from that.
Speaker 2: He's the second best middleweight of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he just is. There's not really much
Speaker 1: debate about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, Poeton, you know, went to get a belt
Speaker 2: in another weight class, and he might do it again
Speaker 2: in another weight class, and that's its own separate level
Speaker 2: of achievement. But like within the middleweight division, this is
Speaker 2: the second best guy.
Speaker 1: To ever do it, period.
Speaker 2: It's not a very difficult argument to make, you know,
Speaker 2: so to me, yes, it is intact.
Speaker 3: You know, I heard somebody mention putting him against I
Speaker 3: know you don't want to talk about who he should fight,
Speaker 3: but if you're going to like it out, a step
Speaker 3: backwards would probably be the right way if he's trying
Speaker 3: to get back on track. But like, what about the
Speaker 3: U Stree thing, like they fought and kick by I
Speaker 3: think I think r we would fucking beat him.
Speaker 1: They fought.
Speaker 3: You remember you were at the Broomfield in Colorado, right
Speaker 3: like the Glory where they fought, and it.
Speaker 1: Was I believe I was. I'm not sure if I
Speaker 1: was at that one.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was eminly at that one. I remember That's
Speaker 3: when I was introduced really to both of them. I
Speaker 3: didn't really know both the guys, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: good fight, and I know they had one previously that
Speaker 3: year that was like a split decision or you know,
Speaker 3: it was very close as well. So I mean, if
Speaker 3: they were looking to play backstory type things against the
Speaker 3: guy and you're trying to get a guy over, and
Speaker 3: that's where that's unfortunately the way that matchmakers might see things.
Speaker 3: It's like, how do you get guys over on Izzy?
Speaker 3: If he wants to keep going around, you know, that
Speaker 3: might be an option.
Speaker 1: They might do it that way.
Speaker 2: I'll say this for the UFC and Joe Pifer, the
Speaker 2: UFC wanted they always get guys. This was not a
Speaker 2: title fight, but they always get guys like leaving a
Speaker 2: division before someone else can even threaten to the to
Speaker 2: beat them, and there's no transfer of star power, you know, generationally,
Speaker 2: Piper makes it very difficult to like him, right, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, do you hear these revelations? He was like,
Speaker 2: I nearly killed myself and then you find which is
Speaker 2: and I you know I'm not this is.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to take those things seriously.
Speaker 3: I was really mad at DC at first for not
Speaker 3: even we're just skipping over it, but go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well maybe he knew what I know was which was later.
Speaker 2: He admits to Chee and his girl, which then made
Speaker 2: him want to kill himself and then found Jesus through that.
Speaker 2: This is all like in like what a month or
Speaker 2: something like, you just can't believe how insane like some
Speaker 2: of these people are. But all right, putting that aside,
Speaker 2: the UFC did their job right to an extent, because
Speaker 2: now you got a young guy beating an older guy
Speaker 2: with a lot more star power. The younger guy's American.
Speaker 2: Like as a promoter, you're gonna be to have to
Speaker 2: be happy with that. But to the point you rais
Speaker 2: about what should be next for ply for them, we'll
Speaker 2: move on from this. Is that you've got Sean Strickland
Speaker 2: sitting or is he currently Again they're gonna update this,
Speaker 2: but before they've updated it, is he a sitting at four?
Speaker 2: So he might go joemightz co somewhere around maybe four
Speaker 2: or five. Above that is Strickland, Imovov and then Dupless.
Speaker 2: Those are not fights that I mean, Strickland's going to
Speaker 2: be fighting for the title. I don't care about him
Speaker 2: fighting Drikas, I mean, I know, but to me, the
Speaker 2: more interesting fights are the ones below that. That's what
Speaker 2: I yes, yeah, yeah, let me read.
Speaker 1: Them off if I may.
Speaker 2: Kyle Bahalio, I'm sorry, Kyle boholliow at five, when Brendan
Speaker 2: Allen at six, Fluffy it's and Rnier de Ritter at eight.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you in Whitikard nine ken a near ten.
Speaker 3: RoboCop eleven RoboCop would be a good one like that
Speaker 3: whereat fights seriously, that's the type of fight he should take.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of fight he should put in.
Speaker 3: But be put in next because I was saying it, man,
Speaker 3: I just don't think a little too raw still to
Speaker 3: be like, let's just catapult him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ends up.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the rankings themselves, the UC rankings are
Speaker 3: a mystery in terms of how they end up where
Speaker 3: they are. But if he ends up in that, like
Speaker 3: number five or something like that, I think he should
Speaker 3: fight below him, like it should be the guys still
Speaker 3: coming up. I don't think that he I don't think
Speaker 3: he belongs yet in that top five conversation. I think
Speaker 3: there we need to see one more thing at the
Speaker 3: RoboCop one. I don't know where where'd you say he
Speaker 3: was sitting like tenth or eleventh, eleventh as it stands,
Speaker 3: and I mean he was fourteenth coming in here. And
Speaker 3: if we're saying that Israel Adisania obviously was kind of
Speaker 3: honorarily at number four, you're like, Okay, let's take that
Speaker 3: with a little grain of salt. I think that somebody
Speaker 3: like RoboCop makes the most sense. It's still above him
Speaker 3: where he was going into this fight.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, I agree with it.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens, but certainly a dramatic finish for
Speaker 2: topic number one. All right, let's go to topic number two.
Speaker 2: Let's talk the rest of that Seattle main card if
Speaker 2: we can, which the best UFC main card of the year, Chuck,
Speaker 2: before we even talk about anything else, I know, we've
Speaker 2: got a bunch of questions here to answer due that
Speaker 2: main card that was the first of all. The UFC
Speaker 2: Seattle event was the best event of the year for
Speaker 2: UFC by a million miles. We've talked about it on MK.
Speaker 2: Not the low tier, not the meta apex overflow. No
Speaker 2: one cares about the top of them one, the top
Speaker 2: of the numbered events. You would like those to be better,
Speaker 2: and certainly they have bigger names for sure, But to me, Chuck,
Speaker 2: the part of the product that's working. Is this one
Speaker 2: on the road fight night with a semi celebrity main
Speaker 2: event that shit works?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, man, And I mean sometimes I think that
Speaker 3: things feed off of like every now and again, it's
Speaker 3: like a baton pass. The kind of electricity just keeps
Speaker 3: going through the event. We've seen events like this before.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you get that at the Apex
Speaker 3: because there's no crowd to kind of push forward. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I mean, obviously this is just me speculating,
Speaker 3: but I do think that the ambiance of a room,
Speaker 3: the atmosphere of a room, really plays into this. And
Speaker 3: isn't it a lot better when you watch something like
Speaker 3: the Seattle There's eighteen thousand people. It felt very alive
Speaker 3: the whole way through it, and we had nothing but finish.
Speaker 3: I think the whole main card was finishes, right, So
Speaker 3: that's I mean, it's it's probably more than coincidence.
Speaker 2: You know, right, all right, So let's talk about that
Speaker 2: co main event. I'm not even sure where to start this.
Speaker 2: Alexa Grosso just I mean sends Maycy Barber Chuck and
Speaker 2: I think the official description in the records is sent
Speaker 2: her to the land of wind and ghosts. Look at
Speaker 2: this scene here. I was scared for her. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: me too. This was the most scared I'd been since
Speaker 2: Bryce Mitchell. God was twitching, yeah when Josh Emma hit
Speaker 2: him with that nuclear bomb. All right, So let me
Speaker 2: just ask this and if the answer is no, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's an unfair question to ask.
Speaker 2: Is Grosso's win over Barbered the best finish.
Speaker 1: In the history of women's MMA? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I mean, okay, so you've had You've had more
Speaker 3: iconic moments, right, Obviously, like Holly Holme beating Ronda Rousei
Speaker 3: a UC one ninety three would be hard to top
Speaker 3: if you're talking about it from a certain way. And
Speaker 3: I mean like rosenaum Munis has been involved in some
Speaker 3: of the craziest finishes, including the slam that she got
Speaker 3: knocked out in with with andrage. Remember that was like
Speaker 3: one of those ones you're like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 3: quintin Rampage Jackson come back to life. And then of
Speaker 3: course her stunning Jianguilie with a with a head cake
Speaker 3: and Johanna. I would put all of those in there.
Speaker 3: But if you're just talking about pure savage.
Speaker 1: Like animal like.
Speaker 3: I don't it was it was it was predatorial the
Speaker 3: way that she put her away, that that punch straight
Speaker 3: into snatching that neck and I mean so deep into
Speaker 3: the neck and just laying like laying her down like
Speaker 3: a carcass at the end. It's just like, I don't
Speaker 3: think I've ever seen anything like that. If it's not
Speaker 3: the best, it's gonna be the most memorable. I think
Speaker 3: that that was one of those that you will not
Speaker 3: soon forget.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I think that's exactly the right analysis. You know,
Speaker 2: that win that Holly Holm had where she pushes Ronda
Speaker 2: into range and then fires the head kick as she
Speaker 2: wanders into just the right spot. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know if anything's gonna top that, but I agree with
Speaker 2: you in terms of like the kind of mma is
Speaker 2: very good for a level of brutality that you hadn't
Speaker 2: even contemplated.
Speaker 3: You know, where that wakes it up when you see
Speaker 3: some shit right like that that wakes that thing back up,
Speaker 3: spins her like a top with the left and then
Speaker 3: hits her with another shot and then jumps on the
Speaker 3: back to the point where like put the.
Speaker 1: Picture up one more time. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't see it great from this angle top
Speaker 2: right corner. Macy was almost biting her own tongue off. Yes,
Speaker 2: I did see that, Like I mean, just like do
Speaker 2: you you know, like an animal on the side of
Speaker 2: the road. I'm not I'm not trying to be difficult
Speaker 2: about it, but you know what I'm saying, Like, here's
Speaker 2: but by the way it responded to all this, saying quote,
Speaker 2: God is good all the time. No place else I
Speaker 2: would have rather been than last night. Excuse me, even
Speaker 2: though I don't remember much. This is just another piece
Speaker 2: of the story. Thank you to the UFC for the
Speaker 2: opportunity and congratulations Alexa Grosso, love you all. I will
Speaker 2: be back, which is good to see. Certainly we're very
Speaker 2: happy about that. But dude, that was fucking incredible. And
Speaker 2: I know we kill women's MM a lot because a
Speaker 2: lot of times it's shut opposit to this. So when
Speaker 2: they deliver, it's really important to be like, did they deliver?
Speaker 2: They over delivered to an extraordinary degree.
Speaker 3: Especially because if you looked at this main card, the
Speaker 3: six fights on it, you'd be look at this one.
Speaker 1: I like, well, that one's going to decision.
Speaker 3: I was talking to Long Island Luke before we started
Speaker 3: taping here, and we were like, you know, if you
Speaker 3: were to pick a fight that you're like, Okay, this
Speaker 3: one's going the distance and probably Maycy Barber comes out
Speaker 3: on top. This was the one right like, and that's
Speaker 3: what made it that much more of like a shock
Speaker 3: to the system. Was just Alexa Grasso. We'd seen her.
Speaker 3: We were talking about diminishing form of Israel at a
Speaker 3: cent I kind of felt like she might be on
Speaker 3: that track a little even though she's not nearly as
Speaker 3: old or whatever.
Speaker 1: She's been around a little bit.
Speaker 3: But to land that, to land that punch as clean
Speaker 3: as she did, and then to like just snatch the
Speaker 3: neck all in one motion like like a like an
Speaker 3: animal Like, that's what it looked like to me. And
Speaker 3: and to kind of have that finish and the visual too,
Speaker 3: because for just a second Barber is trying to go
Speaker 3: for a single leg on the uh or grabbing the
Speaker 3: leg of the referee as a last you know, the
Speaker 3: last moment before she kind of falls away like and
Speaker 3: fades out for the next like five It was just
Speaker 3: cinematic almost. I mean it's almost like you're like, dude,
Speaker 3: that couldn't have happened, but it's it was way more
Speaker 3: shocking just given that it was Grasso who did it,
Speaker 3: and you know, we've known that she did, Like, who
Speaker 3: are getting that Chef Chenko? You know that Chef Chankos
Speaker 3: submission a few years ago always sticks in my mind
Speaker 3: of what she's capable of. But dude, that was savage
Speaker 3: on another level like that, we we get immune to
Speaker 3: watching certain things, like I can see cuts like that
Speaker 3: Bahamandas fight earlier, Like you can see blood and all
Speaker 3: that broken bone sometimes and it doesn't phaze me at all.
Speaker 1: But there's something crazy.
Speaker 3: Animal about like when you see something like that, you
Speaker 3: oh my god, it awakens this thing back in you
Speaker 3: what you're watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way her like Barber's body gets just like
Speaker 2: grabbed and whipped, you know, to your point, it's like
Speaker 2: it's like a hawk or an eagle coming down and
Speaker 2: then grabbing a fish off the top of the water.
Speaker 2: You can see it kind of flailing in. It's why
Speaker 2: I know it in its talons. All right, But let's
Speaker 2: talk about the fight itself. So what does this mean?
Speaker 2: On the one hand, Chuck, I mean a massively redemptive
Speaker 2: moment for grosso.
Speaker 1: You could start there if you want.
Speaker 2: But the other the other question here is okay, this
Speaker 2: is a bad loss for Barber, but there is an
Speaker 2: open question of at twenty seven years old, how bad
Speaker 2: of a loss is it?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Was way in here? Please? Well?
Speaker 3: I mean, do you remember the rockstam out a fairy
Speaker 3: fight where she was like a heavy favorite I'm talking
Speaker 3: like minus of one thousand type favorite and she ends
Speaker 3: up losing it. She was very young, and I remember thinking, then,
Speaker 3: you know, it's either she's too young or she has
Speaker 3: a mindset that something something with Haywire and how she
Speaker 3: perceived herself, And I didn't quite I thought that she
Speaker 3: was building herself with the victory she's had this last
Speaker 3: time correctly. So something like this you wonder, like, does
Speaker 3: it take away sort of this the sheine of your
Speaker 3: own feeling of your invincibility because she had like something
Speaker 3: that she was like I felt like she was in
Speaker 3: the right place mentally. But something like this really does
Speaker 3: change that. We've seen it happen so many times when
Speaker 3: somebody gets knocked out in a big way and they're
Speaker 3: not able to come back. I now, now that's the
Speaker 3: question for her, is like how do you respond to
Speaker 3: something like this. You mentioned her age. She's very young,
Speaker 3: so I'm not putting it past her to come back,
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying that these can be very mentally hard,
Speaker 3: and just the optics of it too, right, Like everybody's
Speaker 3: gonna you know, we're gonna be seeing this on a loop.
Speaker 3: She's gonna be seeing it on a loop. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be a tough mental hurdle for her man to get
Speaker 3: back on track.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has time and she has the opportunity. The
Speaker 2: lesson to me just when the ex's and O's chuck
Speaker 2: is you know, you go back and you watch the
Speaker 2: first fight. It was in the APEX, but I think
Speaker 2: this was like the middle of the pandemic. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure exactly what year was, maybe twenty twenty one, so
Speaker 2: something like that, and Barbara had a hard time closing
Speaker 2: the distance. She was able to do it a little bit.
Speaker 2: She was able to in the first fight, was able
Speaker 2: to wing overhands and then you know, clinch against the fence.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of times she failed on that, but
Speaker 2: then there was the longer the fight went. She had
Speaker 2: a little more success in the third in that regard,
Speaker 2: but closing the distance. That was the big one here.
Speaker 2: And the problem with this loss for Barber is not
Speaker 2: just the violence of it all. But I did, like
Speaker 2: Chuck that she was stepping into range more right.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 2: She was electing to take the fight to those places
Speaker 2: much more readily, which I do think is a good,
Speaker 2: good thing. However, she got in trouble here because she
Speaker 2: like grossly overstepped and then had to go off balance
Speaker 2: and then her head in the line and couldn't move,
Speaker 2: And so as a consequence, like so overstepping and then
Speaker 2: using you know, kind of suspect defense for that position,
Speaker 2: you know, a Luke Rock hold against Michael Bisping right,
Speaker 2: or you're just leaning but you've over committed that it
Speaker 2: just causes constant problems. And it's like, it still seems
Speaker 2: to me that the things that were affecting her in
Speaker 2: the stand up they're not the same as they were, Chuck,
Speaker 2: But there's still there's there's a lot of improvement that
Speaker 2: needs to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that she just did not view
Speaker 3: Grasso as a threat to put her away that way?
Speaker 3: Because I just was checking. I'm like that has Grasso
Speaker 3: had a KO before it? And I don't think she
Speaker 3: had in the UFCA. You have to go back to
Speaker 3: Invicta before she put somebody away on the feet.
Speaker 2: I mean, she definitely wanted to pressure hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I mean in the end, I'm not
Speaker 1: that it was.
Speaker 3: It seemed incautious exactly, but it just it didn't feel
Speaker 3: like the respect fact. I don't I don't think she
Speaker 3: really believed that she could get knocked out with a
Speaker 3: single shot like that. And that shot was so violent
Speaker 3: and it was like a piston bom. It was just
Speaker 3: on her flush, right on the chin. I mean, as
Speaker 3: beautiful as they get. Like you had two crazy sequences
Speaker 3: in one there with the with the choke, the way
Speaker 3: like the visual of that choke, with that punch, I
Speaker 3: mean like that that's that's it's almost like a double finish, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, I felt I initially had tweeted, oh my god,
Speaker 2: submission of the Year. I couldn't quite I knew she
Speaker 2: was she was obviously dazed from the punch, but I
Speaker 2: didn't know she was out.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then I showed the replay and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: she was fucking out, Like.
Speaker 3: I know, Long Island. You said that somebody, what was
Speaker 3: your story? You were saying that, like somebody thought that they.
Speaker 5: Gaff had gaff had Grosso by Ko and we were
Speaker 5: all disappointed because we thought it was a sub win.
Speaker 1: We found out like five minutes later they called it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't remember that happening before. I don't
Speaker 3: remember where. You're like, oh, that was a submission. They're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: she was well out by the time her neck was
Speaker 3: being wrong.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine it's like, uh, hey, so bad news.
Speaker 2: Uh we don't know how to describe how badly you lost.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Well, she was one of the I remember talking to
Speaker 3: Ben Askrin and I was like, when did you you know,
Speaker 3: because when you get knocked out or you get like,
Speaker 3: it's to create, like when did you really come become alert?
Speaker 3: And he's like in the hospital and I was looking around.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I get I'd taken it. I didn't win,
Speaker 3: And you're like, well, that's kind of I felt.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt like she was.
Speaker 3: I felt like she was in that space you could
Speaker 3: see them kind of like telling it and she was
Speaker 3: just looking around in a bewildered way when she came
Speaker 3: to which I was just happy that she came back
Speaker 3: for a minute there, Man, I was like, it was
Speaker 3: a little nerve racking to see her just staring off
Speaker 3: into the distance with the lifelessness in her eyes.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, amazing. All right, so we'll see what
Speaker 2: happens from here. Let's talk about it. Usually Bill Gari Man,
Speaker 2: this was for me his best performance at MMA, and
Speaker 2: I just I don't know which one would be better,
Speaker 2: because you know, did everything go perfectly? No, However, this
Speaker 2: was a very good opponent in front of him and
Speaker 2: Mansort abdel abdul Malick. So let me just ask you, Chuck.
Speaker 2: I have my own thoughts, but I want.
Speaker 1: To hear yours. Yeah, what to you?
Speaker 2: Really made this performance from Bill garwiso special.
Speaker 3: I mean he was just able to make like he
Speaker 3: kept the thing, who is he six ft six, He
Speaker 3: kept the thing in his in his you know, his
Speaker 3: realm of expertise, which is the kickboxing. But he was
Speaker 3: also his strength has gotten much better, like totally. You
Speaker 3: could see him just thwarty, and you could see Manser
Speaker 3: basically not sure what to do with it because the
Speaker 3: times he was kind of going in there and doing
Speaker 3: he he was being not manhandled, but he was being
Speaker 3: easily shucked off, and I think he was like, this
Speaker 3: isn't going to be as easy as I had hoped
Speaker 3: to kind of take him to the mat. So I
Speaker 3: think that his strength is one of one of them.
Speaker 3: And I mean, dude, like when you look at Usuri,
Speaker 3: like the guys he's training with, and I live just
Speaker 3: like a few miles from from where he trains with
Speaker 3: Glover to Shera and Alex Perera and all the guys
Speaker 3: who come through. They have a lot of wrestlers and stuff.
Speaker 3: They go hard, man, and I just think that they
Speaker 3: kind of know how to build a guy the right
Speaker 3: way so that you can you can handle like that
Speaker 3: basically to cover up in the Glover. The Glover was
Speaker 3: excellent to any of your weak spots and make it,
Speaker 3: turn it into a strength, to put it back into
Speaker 3: you or realm of where you want it.
Speaker 1: And that's what he did, man. He made the fight
Speaker 1: his own.
Speaker 3: He kind of dictated the terms and he used the
Speaker 3: range and stuff when he had it because he that's
Speaker 3: his advantage, right. He was able to use that brilliantly
Speaker 3: in that fight. And I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I think that that was his best performance. And now
Speaker 3: he feels like, I don't know how you feel. I
Speaker 3: felt like he was the B side a little bit
Speaker 3: in this matchup, but now it feels like suddenly he's
Speaker 3: one of those prospects you got to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2: Well, it was against another decent prospect prospect. Yeah, yeah, Malick,
Speaker 2: like Malick wrestling out of Maryland. Like he had looked
Speaker 2: really good prior to this one, and I still think
Speaker 2: there's plenty of potential for him.
Speaker 1: This was.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a lot of fights, this was. I mean,
Speaker 2: let me look it up exactly here. I've got it.
Speaker 2: Malick has only excuse me, Yeah, he only has eleven
Speaker 2: fights total.
Speaker 1: This was. This was his eleventh fights. So I was
Speaker 1: in education then, you know, educational fight. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: a step up.
Speaker 2: You know, he certainly felt it, and I think he's
Speaker 2: definitely gonna learn from it. But dude, this was I'm
Speaker 2: so glad you brought it up to me. It's like,
Speaker 2: obviously he's good on the feet one, you know, between
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about the Douglas fight.
Speaker 1: A good jab and a good leg kick.
Speaker 2: If you have strong fundamentals, you can win a UFC
Speaker 2: title with just those two things.
Speaker 1: I swear to God that that is true.
Speaker 2: I fully believe that, and you saw just you know,
Speaker 2: did he build more offense around it as the fight
Speaker 2: went on, Yes, of course, but what set up everything
Speaker 2: the jab in the leg kick.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: And then in these wrestling positions, you know, is he
Speaker 2: objectively stronger than Abdel Mallick and some of these probably
Speaker 2: you know, like who can bench more or whatever? Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe not, but in those positions he has clearly worked
Speaker 2: on how to leverage his strength more maximally. And it's
Speaker 2: sent like, you're right, dude. Abdell Mallick locked up with
Speaker 2: him and was like, oh.
Speaker 1: This is not I can guarantee you. Yeah, six foot
Speaker 1: six frame, very lanky.
Speaker 3: You think you know, if you come in there and
Speaker 3: the leverage you get low, you're gonna be able to
Speaker 3: dump the guy. But it was it was you could
Speaker 3: see that that was a problem man, and that I mean,
Speaker 3: if you get that's what makes it so intriguing. A
Speaker 3: six foot six frame that knows how to you know,
Speaker 3: kind of keep it in his room, stay on the
Speaker 3: feet and like, uh, basically kind of make it ugly
Speaker 3: and where he needs to to stay on his feet.
Speaker 3: That's going to be a problem for guys. And I
Speaker 3: think that they obviously getting tape on this guy. Maybe
Speaker 3: other wrestlers handle him differently if they get the chance
Speaker 3: to fight him. But that was like almost a declaration
Speaker 3: in my mind of Hey, if you want to put
Speaker 3: me against a guy who's going to be one sided
Speaker 3: like he wants, he wants to dictate his will in
Speaker 3: the wrestling realm, it's going to be a disappointment for
Speaker 3: you when you try that with me. That was I mean,
Speaker 3: you rarely see it from a kickboxer coming in and
Speaker 3: having to learn that side of it. It's usually the
Speaker 3: wrestler will have an advantage in that situation just because
Speaker 3: they've you know, a kickboxer doesn't know what to do
Speaker 3: in that situation, right, Like a kickboxer, the hardest thing
Speaker 3: for them to do is to adapt to a wrestler.
Speaker 3: They don't they've never trained wrestling and all that. That's
Speaker 3: what he's done, though, I think for these last few years.
Speaker 2: I mean, he low on the Contender Series to Marco Tulio,
Speaker 2: which I don't think is a terrible loss, but it's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Abdoll Malik is way better than him, and
Speaker 2: you saw this from him, like he is clearly leveled up. Dude,
Speaker 2: those fucking guys out of your state, Connecticut, Old Glover man,
Speaker 2: Old Glover to share a boy man, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He sure does.
Speaker 3: Like it's easy to walk away from fighting when you've
Speaker 3: got like these monsters in your gym here, you're like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna like vicariously go through you guys. But
Speaker 3: I mean, he the way that they train in there,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure it's it's like this in other places.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of coddling going on, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's kind of baptism by fire in
Speaker 3: that gym. And I mean for some guys that works.
Speaker 3: And I think that Ustre is one of those guys
Speaker 3: who came in and it has benefited him tremendously from
Speaker 3: being a kickboxter in too now like a very well rounded,
Speaker 3: you know, mixed martial artist.
Speaker 2: Also, Glover is one of the things that was underappreciated
Speaker 2: about him was he he was not the best guy
Speaker 2: two five suck. He was never he didn't. He didn't
Speaker 2: have like that refinement of ability. But one of the
Speaker 2: things you have to say about Glover's abilities when you
Speaker 2: watched him fight was he was very technical and He
Speaker 2: was a big believer in fundamentals. His game represented fundamentals
Speaker 2: as like that's a great point, as like this is
Speaker 2: this is what counts is doing this. So taking some
Speaker 2: of these guys and then giving them some like like
Speaker 2: real like you you need to be good in this
Speaker 2: position no matter what, and then forcing them to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's just it's working out really fucking well.
Speaker 3: It's great, man, because I do think that the you know,
Speaker 3: how old is I don't know how a user is
Speaker 3: not Super year three, Okay, I mean, but you know
Speaker 3: he's got he's got a run in him, Like if
Speaker 3: he can, if he can put it together in these
Speaker 3: next couple years, it'd be fun to watch him and
Speaker 3: how far he's able to get.
Speaker 2: Let's move through these as quickly as we can.
Speaker 1: Hear. Anything to say for Michael Kass's retirement, Not really.
Speaker 3: It almost seemed to me that Nico Price was booked
Speaker 3: into this, Like I kind of convinced, you know, in
Speaker 3: the way that he he didn't put up much of
Speaker 3: a resistance in this fight. He was almost like they
Speaker 3: were like, hey, man, don't retire yet. Fight one more.
Speaker 3: So it felt it was just too easy. But I
Speaker 3: you know, there's always a little bit of a hey man,
Speaker 3: like this is great for a guy who's been around
Speaker 3: the game. I don't know when he broke in in
Speaker 3: terms of Michael Kissa, but it's been it's been over
Speaker 3: twelve years. And to give him a good send off
Speaker 3: like that, we just don't get it. We're just talking
Speaker 3: about how you don't get graceful outs in this game
Speaker 3: and he got one.
Speaker 1: So great for him, man, And then I don't have
Speaker 1: much to add.
Speaker 2: I mean people were bitter he got a highlight package
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I mean.
Speaker 1: He was the UFC gives it to people that they like,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to say?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, that's true. And he's like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's one of their broadcast guys. You know they're going
Speaker 3: to give him the special treatment.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Leke On Douglass just absolutely demolishing, juicy j Juliana Rossa
Speaker 2: on the feet, takes him off of his feet three times, Chuck.
Speaker 2: You can see it in the top here with a jab.
Speaker 2: How legiti of a prospect does he appear to be?
Speaker 2: I mean he looked pretty legit.
Speaker 3: This is a dude too, who had like some losses
Speaker 3: in his career, and I think that that sometimes blinds people.
Speaker 3: They see, oh, he's he's a journeyman guy. He got
Speaker 3: in the UFC. Okay, but he's got like what four
Speaker 3: or five losses on his record. He's probably not that great.
Speaker 3: But then you see that kind of performance, and you
Speaker 3: see how refined he was in the stand up game,
Speaker 3: and just how vicious he looked, you know, once he
Speaker 3: got rolling, and also just how rhythmic it all became,
Speaker 3: like I I to me, that was a huge statement man,
Speaker 3: Like I would I would definitely be keeping my arm now.
Speaker 2: He lost via basically like a head kick and the
Speaker 2: subsequent punches in LFA back in twenty twenty three, and
Speaker 2: then went on an absolute tear in that organization, winning
Speaker 2: a title in twenty twenty four, then defending it in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, stopping Cam Tigue, who I did not
Speaker 2: see as a particularly difficult threat in the Contender series. However,
Speaker 2: Harry steps into fight Julian Rossa, who is certainly older
Speaker 2: Chuck juicyj is what thirty six not that old actually,
Speaker 2: but your point, to your point, Douglass, just thirty years
Speaker 2: of age, so certainly had some you know, tripped up
Speaker 2: early but since that last one, you can just tell
Speaker 2: has clearly decided to level up.
Speaker 3: Arosa may have been like the best dance partner for
Speaker 3: him too, just given that he was going to kind
Speaker 3: of accommodate the style that would that he could showcase
Speaker 3: on like that that that seemed like it was an
Speaker 3: evidence as well. There were some good exchanges in that fight,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure, but it was I mean,
Speaker 2: it was for the most part one way traffic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then last but not least, I mean, what is
Speaker 2: there to say about Terrence McKinney, Chuck.
Speaker 1: The evil Knievel of MMA. This guy, look at it,
Speaker 1: he gets up.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the most amazing part to me
Speaker 2: about Keep this picture up. Look at the top photo
Speaker 2: here of Kyle Nelson. He's raising a leg to Annie's
Speaker 2: getting his arm down. Annie's burying his head. The foot
Speaker 2: even of McKenny even lands on the shoulder, and it
Speaker 2: still does enough to rock.
Speaker 1: Him the shoulder. Was it the shoulder the winner in
Speaker 1: the chin?
Speaker 3: Because it did look like his head snapped as this happened,
Speaker 3: Like mss must have been a connective impact there or something.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: He's got to be one of the like you you mentioned,
Speaker 3: like is he one of the most exciting fighters or
Speaker 3: is the most fun fighter in the UFC. He's got
Speaker 3: to be up there, right. The dudes fought twenty six
Speaker 3: pro fights and he's there's never went to a judge's scorecards.
Speaker 3: I mean that that tells you, and that so that
Speaker 3: tells you that he's going to play roulette with whoever
Speaker 3: he stands in there against. He has plenty of losses,
Speaker 3: but you just know he's going to deliver on something right,
Speaker 3: Like he's gonna either go in there and get knocked out,
Speaker 3: or he's going to knock somebody out, or it's going
Speaker 3: to be something crazy and we're gonna be talking about it.
Speaker 3: The more astonishing thing for him, man, is that in
Speaker 3: those twenty whatever amount it is in the UFC, he's
Speaker 3: never won a performance at the night bonus. If anything,
Speaker 3: he's a good look charm for the UFC because his
Speaker 3: performances are always good. But he's always on very good cards.
Speaker 3: And I kind of look back he's been on like Elliot,
Speaker 3: it's a pitious cards. And you know some of these
Speaker 3: like where they just had like incredible performances and you're like, well, McKinny,
Speaker 3: it's bad luck. But it's also like when he's on
Speaker 3: a card, it seems to deliver the whole card.
Speaker 2: Does here's his run if you count Contender series and UFC.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna read everything, just just the rounds, ready,
Speaker 2: So round two, Round one, Round one, Round one, Round one,
Speaker 2: Round two, Round two, Round one, Round one, Round one,
Speaker 2: Round one, Round one, Round one.
Speaker 1: Wow, round one, Round one. He's not even a three?
Speaker 1: Did you even name it? Three? No?
Speaker 3: He hasn't touched on this third round. I mean that's
Speaker 3: what I'm waiting to see. What does he do in
Speaker 3: the third round? As he still got stammin at that point.
Speaker 1: You know he is evil. Canievel of MMA shot out
Speaker 1: of a cannon. It's incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean usually guys cool off when they start
Speaker 3: like that, and he hasn't at all.
Speaker 1: It's fun. He's committed. Guys.
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Speaker 2: time offer, Chuck. Let's finish with topic number three on
Speaker 2: this UFC Seattle card. We'll talk about the preliminary side
Speaker 2: of things. Actually, yeah, I'll go to you first. I'll
Speaker 2: go to you first, Chut, what should have?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What do you make of the Musaiav and bab Mondes fight?
Speaker 2: A fun fight in general, Musaiav gets the nod, but
Speaker 2: there's a fair amount of cheating that happens between fence grabbing,
Speaker 2: headbutting and the like what how do you understand what
Speaker 2: happened here?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean watching it in real time, the most
Speaker 3: pivotal moment in that fight, do you guys hear me? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I saw that this thing was like, okay, the most
Speaker 3: pivotal moment in the fight was I think second round, right,
Speaker 3: and uh Bahamandez is getting like he looks like he
Speaker 3: has a chance to either put the fight out, like
Speaker 3: he can finish the fight, or he's going to put
Speaker 3: himself in a dominant position by suplexing him off that,
Speaker 3: you know, off the fence. The obvious It was so
Speaker 3: obvious that fence grab that it changed the momentum of
Speaker 3: that fight. And it's rare that you see something that
Speaker 3: blake and go unpunished where it actually swings the momentum
Speaker 3: in the reverse favor. And then later in that round
Speaker 3: there's an obvious headbutt and you see this Land and
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, what is happening? It almost was like
Speaker 3: bam meanders was you know, And it's some kind of
Speaker 3: like bad dream, like a nightmare because what was happening,
Speaker 3: Like he went from winning that fight to losing it
Speaker 3: to getting bloodied up and bludgeoned at the end.
Speaker 1: What a turn of events.
Speaker 3: And I honestly I was racking my brain to remember
Speaker 3: something where it changed that drastically off a fence grab.
Speaker 1: Can you come up with a fight that did?
Speaker 3: I know, we've had some bad ones in the past,
Speaker 3: but like in a moment of clear offense where you
Speaker 3: have the moment to put a guy away or to
Speaker 3: at least really establish and dominate with the position, and
Speaker 3: the fence grab changes everything.
Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke come on in this one where on
Speaker 2: all time fence grabs relative. Chuck's question, are you and
Speaker 2: also what did you make of this fight?
Speaker 1: Well? I told you pre show that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was, you know, gone few beers in
Speaker 4: twenty bond hits and by the time this fight is happening,
Speaker 4: I didn't even notice the fence grab in real time.
Speaker 1: I'm just going, Wow, what a war. This is a
Speaker 1: crazy fight. But again, you know, I'm juggling, I'm reading
Speaker 1: the chat. You know, I'm doing a bunch of shit.
Speaker 4: So I'm really not a good person to ask for
Speaker 4: that as far as it changing the momentum of like,
Speaker 4: as far as egregious fence grabs and UFC history, I'm
Speaker 4: really trying to think of a different one.
Speaker 1: There was, like, there's got to be one. I gotta go.
Speaker 2: There're so ubiquitous that it's honestly it is hard to remember.
Speaker 3: But but one that just clearly one eighties the fight
Speaker 3: from where it was heading to something else like that's
Speaker 3: it's that was drastic.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if the Commission would do
Speaker 2: anything about it, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's they give so much latitude to referees to be
Speaker 2: shitty that Yeah, I don't know the I don't even
Speaker 2: know if this is reviewable. But if I was bombed
Speaker 2: one as this team, I would absolutely be bringing this up.
Speaker 2: Chase Hooper has now been stopped twice in two fights.
Speaker 2: What do you what do you think here?
Speaker 1: What? What?
Speaker 2: What lesson can we in for from the results in
Speaker 2: this one?
Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like?
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he started very young, but it
Speaker 3: feels to me like he's got to bulk up a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: Man. You know, I like this this particular fight. Who's
Speaker 1: the Who's the cat?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Who's Lance Gipson Junior? Lance Gibson kind of
Speaker 3: knew what he was going to do. It was obviously
Speaker 3: he knew what he was going to do. They had
Speaker 3: a plan to counter it, and that plan worked, and
Speaker 3: it didn't feel like Chase had a plan B of
Speaker 3: his own. And so like he just went in there,
Speaker 3: you know, trying to get the fight to where he's
Speaker 3: comfortable and you know, on the ground and where he's
Speaker 3: got some submissions and we know he's very good, but
Speaker 3: he couldn't do it. And then that's what gets him
Speaker 3: in trouble in the end, is just kind of selling
Speaker 3: out for was it a big elbow?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Like a big elbow he ate in close and then
Speaker 3: like that changes the fight. And I feel like in
Speaker 3: his last fight too, uh, he was fighting Alexander Hernandez,
Speaker 3: he wasn't able to kind of get it into his
Speaker 3: realm and then he gets knocked out in that fight
Speaker 3: as well. It just seems to me like if you
Speaker 3: need if you're going to dictate, if you want to
Speaker 3: put the fight where you need it, you need to
Speaker 3: bulk up a little bit. I just feel like he's
Speaker 3: not able to get the fight where he wants it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just I agree in general, and
Speaker 2: I think, you know, just working on his athleticism through
Speaker 2: training is really I think quite important, both for like
Speaker 2: static isometric strength as well as you know, working on reflexes.
Speaker 2: And I mean one of the people always think like, oh,
Speaker 2: being rangy is good.
Speaker 1: Being rangy is good if you know how to use range, But.
Speaker 2: If you don't, it's actually like yeah, no, no, no, you know,
Speaker 2: if you but if you're tall and you're not like
Speaker 2: you know, if you're Stephan struving it, you're just gonna
Speaker 2: get bombed.
Speaker 1: On, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's was he twenty six, he's still
Speaker 3: very young. He's like, I know, he's in his six,
Speaker 3: twenty six years old, and you're like, you can't He's
Speaker 3: got time to do what we're talking about. He's got
Speaker 3: time to put some tools together and to get better
Speaker 3: into bulk up and to like you know, get gettle
Speaker 3: more a little more wily in there, maybe like mix
Speaker 3: things up a little more to fool his guys. But
Speaker 3: you know, I always, I always kind of point to
Speaker 3: Charles Oliver, who started very young, and I think he
Speaker 3: was I look the up, he was eight four and
Speaker 3: one through thirteen fights. Chase Hoopers thirteen fights in he's
Speaker 3: eight and five. If you want to look to guys
Speaker 3: who were able to put stuff together, look to guys
Speaker 3: like Charles olivera right who made a crazy career after
Speaker 3: a kind of an inauspicious beginning.
Speaker 1: And Chase Hooper's got time.
Speaker 3: I just think he's got to like dedicate himself to
Speaker 3: some aspects of the game and then he, you know,
Speaker 3: well get himself a little more well rounded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would largely agree with that.
Speaker 2: Then we have Okay, give me your score for the
Speaker 2: Ricky Simone versus uh Adrian jan Yez fight.
Speaker 3: I had Yanez so okay. The first round on this
Speaker 3: scorecards is where it all went wacky, right, because I
Speaker 3: had Janaz winning. I thought, I mean, I was a
Speaker 3: close round, but I thought it was definitive enough. But
Speaker 3: then you see these scorecards and you're like, okay, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, this is we're all off on the wrong
Speaker 3: foot here, or at least us who believe that Janas
Speaker 3: was winning the fight. So I either had it twenty
Speaker 3: nine to twenty eight Janaz or twenty nine twenty seven.
Speaker 3: If you wanted to give that ten eight at the
Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily think you had to, because the the
Speaker 3: finishing moment came at the very end. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: he had him at death's door for like a minute
Speaker 3: of that fight before it ended or something like that.
Speaker 3: So the ten to nine score I would have been
Speaker 3: okay with. But either way, Janis wins either twenty nine
Speaker 3: twenty eight or twenty nine twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think twenty nine twenty eight.
Speaker 2: I could even see a draw if you to me,
Speaker 2: it's one in three Yan Yeas third round ten eight,
Speaker 2: although in one of the cards that only gave him
Speaker 2: ten nine, right, but I could so for me, it's
Speaker 2: round two, simone, round three ten eight, Yan, Yes, like,
Speaker 2: no question about it. Yeah, question is round one. I
Speaker 2: think you can go either way on it. It really
Speaker 2: just depends, but like death, so I don't hate that
Speaker 2: it was a draw. The thing that felt unfair was that,
Speaker 2: like by Pride rules, like who won the fight overall
Speaker 2: has clearly yan Yas won the fight overall under that.
Speaker 1: That's the Stockton rules as well. That's the way an ideas.
Speaker 2: Uh well, but you know what, it is an interesting
Speaker 2: way of thinking about a fight, like there's you know,
Speaker 2: like dividing it up by rounds and then counting who
Speaker 2: won those without a consideration like you're just judging each
Speaker 2: as a individual unit. This has many benefits, but it
Speaker 2: has downsides too because it doesn't capture like that scoring criteria.
Speaker 2: I can't capture the example clear essence of the fight.
Speaker 2: And also I'll say this for you, and yes, people
Speaker 2: were kind of burying him, and I was a little
Speaker 2: bit worried too, to be honest with you. But that
Speaker 2: was I think, in general, pretty resilient performance from him.
Speaker 2: Especially in the third round.
Speaker 3: It was like suddenly like if there was a lot
Speaker 3: a lack of confidence or maybe a little bit of
Speaker 3: a gun shy feeling towards I don't know what, like
Speaker 3: you saw it a little bit in the first round,
Speaker 3: second round certainly like he got kind of nullified. But
Speaker 3: that third round, man, he found a rhythm, he found
Speaker 3: his range, he was landing, those shots were clean. He
Speaker 3: almost puts them away at the end to come in
Speaker 3: in the third round and really take it at that point.
Speaker 1: Man, that was I thought that that was eye opening. Yes,
Speaker 1: I totally agree.
Speaker 2: So I think he unfortunately does not get the nod,
Speaker 2: but he definitely showed me there's still a little bit
Speaker 2: of gas in that tank for sure. All right, okay,
Speaker 2: what the fuck marching Tybora Tyrrell fortune Man, Chuck, Chuck.
Speaker 1: I don't know about old Buffy. Dude.
Speaker 2: Buffer might be losing this fastball, y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm not trying to kill him,
Speaker 1: but this is a great like look at that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, man, Ever, since this was.
Speaker 2: Bad, dude, because like the guy left the fucking cage,
Speaker 2: they had to call him.
Speaker 3: Back like that was bad. You know, Bruce has never
Speaker 3: been the same. So was it UFC one hundred when
Speaker 3: he tore his a cl trying to do the three sixty?
Speaker 1: Remember that? Yes, yes, that was the beginning.
Speaker 3: And no, I do you know that's a lot of
Speaker 3: shows that that dude, That dude has gone through and uh,
Speaker 3: you would expect some mistakes, but that these types of
Speaker 3: mistakes are always so bad, aren't they.
Speaker 1: Again the Long Island you had a story about this
Speaker 1: one too, right, I bet on marching Tya.
Speaker 5: So they they say ty Bora and I'm celebrating, and
Speaker 5: then and then they're just staring at him, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's waiting for a post fight.
Speaker 1: Interview and they don't want to give him one.
Speaker 5: But no if they were waiting to call back Tyrrell Fortune.
Speaker 5: So yeah, the whole card was wacky with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't give a fuck about the fight. Although
Speaker 2: I thought Fortune was the rightful winner too, I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck?
Speaker 3: The only thing the only thing with him is remember
Speaker 3: when he came up and Bellatorre was kind of like
Speaker 3: they had signed this pack of wrestlers and we were like, okay, man,
Speaker 3: this is this could be the future. They might have
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys. Aaron Pico and these guys that
Speaker 3: are going to do something. Stuck him on it, and
Speaker 3: it's like they never got out of that prelim mode,
Speaker 3: you know, And here we are with this was his debut, right, like,
Speaker 3: this was his debut in the UC and.
Speaker 1: Still on the prelims.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, yes, it's just been insanely strange to
Speaker 2: watch that Casey O'Neil gets an absolute barn. We talked
Speaker 2: about the women's of m A side. This was another
Speaker 2: example of that, where Casey O'Neill beating Gabriella Fernandez Fernandez
Speaker 2: however you say it properly just bodying her. And this
Speaker 2: is what I love, Chuck, is that you know, I've
Speaker 2: been waiting for, like so often these women's fights that
Speaker 2: are like you could say, you could say they're competitive
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of you know, twenty nine
Speaker 2: to twenty eighths or split decisions or whatever. But the
Speaker 2: problem with these fights have been that one of them
Speaker 2: is not effectuating change on the fight, like they're just
Speaker 2: kind of doing a little bit to each other over
Speaker 2: the course of fifteen minutes. Whereas in this one and
Speaker 2: certainly in the Comaine right, like they put the fucking
Speaker 2: boot to their opponent. That's what I've been waiting.
Speaker 3: To see, you know, you know, And doesn't that like
Speaker 3: when you talk about the overall product you know of
Speaker 3: a car like a fight night if you get too
Speaker 3: crazy finishes in the women's ranks because I fairly or
Speaker 3: unfairly like, you look at those and you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: those may that may be a distance fight, and in
Speaker 3: the prospect of it, you're like, well, you know, these
Speaker 3: fights may not be that, they may not stand out,
Speaker 3: but they both stood out right like, and I think
Speaker 3: that that's big when you have an event like to
Speaker 3: get unexpected results like that. Cases she's always kind of
Speaker 3: been like a you know, a nasty fight. She goes
Speaker 3: in there and she wants to throw down. But good
Speaker 3: for her to kind of get something that was the
Speaker 3: first round, right like that was in the first round.
Speaker 3: So yes, it good for her to kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: showcase that way. I felt like she needed that long island.
Speaker 2: Should I care that Nava host Sterling be Bruno Lopez?
Speaker 1: No, but I did cash the over one and a
Speaker 1: half and Sterling by Ko and that lets go lunches
Speaker 1: on on island.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Casey O'Neil got robbed, dude, Casey O'Neil should have
Speaker 5: got the performance bonus.
Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's about McKenny, that poor guy.
Speaker 4: Sure, Terrence McKinney should have too, you know, I mean no,
Speaker 4: but let's be real Terrence wasn't as aesthetically pleasing as
Speaker 4: Casey's was.
Speaker 5: Casey and Grosso should have got the bonuses. They give
Speaker 5: it to Joe Pifer, like Joe Pifer, nice win. Wait
Speaker 5: a minute, Grasso didn't get it. No, no, Grasso did. Okay,
Speaker 5: I was like, what but with Joe Pifer and I
Speaker 5: feel you should have gone to both girls.
Speaker 1: Fight of the night was Mussaiah Bahamundai's Rifley. So that
Speaker 1: was a banger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good fight, just weird that it
Speaker 2: went the way it did because of laytant cheating. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: uh so that What is the UFC Seattle card? Quite
Speaker 2: a fun one. Let's go to topic number four. If
Speaker 2: we can't hear Chuck pfl Pittsburgh, honestly they had a
Speaker 2: great night too. Let's start with that main event. Johnny
Speaker 2: Eblin bulldozed Brian Battle. I mean, this was one way traffic.
Speaker 2: If ever there was one gets it in the first round,
Speaker 2: chokes him from the back. That's the whole show. Let's
Speaker 2: ask though, how redemptive to Eblin stock was this victory?
Speaker 3: I thought it was great, Like, we know the dude
Speaker 3: is a competitor, like he's gonna be that guy. He's
Speaker 3: coming off a loss in which he was kind of
Speaker 3: you know, he was winning that fight. He was when
Speaker 3: he was going and going away until he gets caught
Speaker 3: in the last minute against Costello Vansinaz ends up losing.
Speaker 3: This felt to me like a little bit of a
Speaker 3: buzzsaw moment, because if you got a competitor like that,
Speaker 3: they just they pin their ears back and they get
Speaker 3: back to work. And a guy who's wrestled like that
Speaker 3: is just like, I'm going back to what works for me.
Speaker 3: And you knew that this was coming, and I think
Speaker 3: that the in that sense, I thought it was fully
Speaker 3: redemptive for Eblin to show like, hey man, I am
Speaker 3: not going anywhere. I'm still the most dominant middleweight in
Speaker 3: this in this promotion. The more glaringous side of it
Speaker 3: was the lack of resistance right from Brian Battle. I
Speaker 3: think that he you know, I talked to him before
Speaker 3: the fight and there was just some there's red flags
Speaker 3: with guys who are taking a wrestler like what they
Speaker 3: don't understand that they're kind of going into a buzzsaw
Speaker 3: a little bit and they're like, ah, that she's just
Speaker 3: a name to me, man. I'm gonna be able to
Speaker 3: do what I do in there, and you're thinking that's
Speaker 3: probably not the right mindset going into this fight, and uh,
Speaker 3: and it certainly played out. I actually, when after I
Speaker 3: talked to Brian Battle, I felt pretty convinced that Eblin
Speaker 3: would win. I did not think it would look that easy.
Speaker 1: I mean, on Friday's MK, I was I've said it,
Speaker 1: you can look it up. It's not that I didn't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't curious about Brian Battle. I was curious, but
Speaker 2: I was not. I was because the fan basic responded
Speaker 2: really favorably to him before he left the UFC in
Speaker 2: a way that kind of surprised me. And because they
Speaker 2: were all like, well, you got it. This guy's marching
Speaker 2: people downla blah blah blah. And I'm like, that's true,
Speaker 2: the long jab, powerful puncher, Like again, there's reasons for enthusiasm,
Speaker 2: but he hadn't beaten anybody good. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh, and then he goes up against Evelyn. To your point,
Speaker 2: who's not just a competitor. You know, you could comfortably
Speaker 2: put Eblin in top ten middleweight division of UFC, and
Speaker 2: it's just a dogged wrestler. Randy Brown took Battle down
Speaker 2: twice in the first round of their thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like it did.
Speaker 2: If Randy Brown is taking you down like that, I
Speaker 2: fucking Johnny Eblin is going to put you into the woodschipper,
Speaker 2: And that is exactly what he fucking did. So I
Speaker 2: don't you know, you can question the value of the
Speaker 2: win in the sense of Battle is good, but against
Speaker 2: this kind of calor of opponent is definitely untested. But
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I think it's pretty redemptive for Eblin.
Speaker 2: He needed a dominant, good, okay, solid win and he
Speaker 2: got it. And I think that that is clearly he's
Speaker 2: the next guy for Van steinas in a very strange way,
Speaker 2: Brian Battle's you know, kind of trajector because he he
Speaker 2: was like six'.
Speaker 1: One in one or something like that.
Speaker 3: In the UFC misses wait a couple of times, you know,
Speaker 3: and the second time as a middleweight, he still comes
Speaker 3: in over and they they part ways, but they were
Speaker 3: trying to book him for the fight that got canceled
Speaker 3: in Chicago. I'm trying to remember the guy they had
Speaker 3: him against, a guy who would have probably exposed Brian
Speaker 3: Battle in the exact way that Eblin did, and I
Speaker 3: was kind of when the fight was supposed to happen,
Speaker 3: I thought that was maybe going to be the case.
Speaker 3: It's almost like he got he bought some time though,
Speaker 3: to build up his own cult to personality over that time,
Speaker 3: because he goes over to dirty boxing, stands in there
Speaker 3: and is you know, was able to you know, have
Speaker 3: some exposure and kind of like land on his feet
Speaker 3: and then he ends up in a main event in
Speaker 3: PFL and I kind of felt like what we were saying,
Speaker 3: like obviously this was not a good matchup for him,
Speaker 3: but it was like, dude, I don't know if he
Speaker 3: was If he if he goes through with that fight
Speaker 3: in the UFC, probably none of this happens. It almost
Speaker 3: like bottom this year, like this kind of strange victory
Speaker 3: lap over the last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has been kind of weird. Well, that one
Speaker 2: came to a screeching halt. Nevertheless, Brian Battles still good
Speaker 2: signing for PFL. I think still can be a part
Speaker 2: of some fun fights there. I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: bad thing that he's part of that organization. I just
Speaker 2: think Evelyn put out a reminder being like right, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do things this division that only
Speaker 2: a couple of guys at PFL are gonna be able
Speaker 2: to deal with, if at all.
Speaker 3: Rusov, Right, that's that's who the guy that the Long
Speaker 3: Island is supposed to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, if we didn't find out against Eblin, we're
Speaker 3: gonna find out at that moment, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, good point.
Speaker 2: Uh In Kasanga and I in the comain. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what, man, look at this photo, bro, look at
Speaker 2: this photo of him just gyrating and cavorting people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that in that octagon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he stops fucking a Dalton Rosta in the first
Speaker 2: round just three minutes and eighteen seconds. Dalton Rosta from
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh area. PFL was in Pittsburgh. Unfortunately, IMPA silenced
Speaker 2: the crowd, which was not great. However, however, I gotta
Speaker 2: tell you, dude, Implicasang and I just continues to be
Speaker 2: a part of, like, I don't know, memorable fights, memorable action.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So what do they do here with him? Do they
Speaker 2: give him a title shot? What do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean, they've seem to think so on the broadcast,
Speaker 3: I mean, the the Eblin fight like if Evelyn and
Speaker 3: obviously he showcased very well, but you're like to put
Speaker 3: him against Costello, right, It's it's an obvious slam dunk.
Speaker 3: It's the way the fight down went down. It was
Speaker 3: almost cinematic storybook ending for one guy. You give the
Speaker 3: other guy the chance to get it back, but you
Speaker 3: do set up the possibility of a trilogy all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I would almost like put that on the back burner.
Speaker 3: You got Castella, like he just went into Spain and
Speaker 3: we were talking about this and kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: a tailor made event was able to win against Babe
Speaker 3: and Edwards capitalize on that a little bit. I think
Speaker 3: you would have a very fun fight if you were
Speaker 3: to put him against Impa right, Like, I think if
Speaker 3: you put those two guys together, that's a fun fight,
Speaker 3: but you still have that Eblin fight in the future.
Speaker 3: That would be the way that I would handle it
Speaker 3: if I'm the PFL. But it'd be interesting to see
Speaker 3: if they just automatically run back. Sometimes you're like, do
Speaker 3: you want to be in business with Costello Vansinas who
Speaker 3: they took to Spain and they think that they believe
Speaker 3: that he's got a little bit of the you know
Speaker 3: that kind of Spanish. You know that that rabid fan
Speaker 3: base is like part of what's happening. So they've got
Speaker 3: a guy who represents more than just a champion. Or
Speaker 3: do you want to be in the Eblin business where
Speaker 3: you know they were they've been at Belator was in
Speaker 3: it and you're like, well, that's good. He's a very
Speaker 3: dominant guy, but maybe not a needle mover. If if
Speaker 3: you're thinking like that, I'm putting him in that in
Speaker 3: that title fight.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Uh Impkasanganai's last UFC fight was against Carlston Harris. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: and he lost in the first round. Uh, getting punched
Speaker 2: out and then finished off on the ground. It's like, dude,
Speaker 2: they rematch today. Who's picking Carlston Harris?
Speaker 3: Nobody? I forgot all about that fight. But that's that's
Speaker 3: good on him.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 3: There are certain guys who go over and they make
Speaker 3: the most of their transition, right like they they He's
Speaker 3: he'll always be part of that Joquing Buckley, you know
Speaker 3: footage forever, the b roll like it's it's going to
Speaker 3: exist forever. But he has been like you said, man,
Speaker 3: there's something about him. You see his name and it's
Speaker 3: it's all, it's not in the it's it almost has
Speaker 3: that feeling of something will happen, right, Like something good,
Speaker 3: something wild is going to happen in his fight.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what you want with a guy like that.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: With Dalton Rosta, I feel bad, but like it's kind
Speaker 2: of you know, like students of the game pay attention.
Speaker 2: Rasta over commits and Kasanga and I makes him pay
Speaker 2: for it positionally with his feet, I mean. And then
Speaker 2: same thing with Macy Barber chucks. She over commits and
Speaker 2: then has to get back up a little bit with yourself.
Speaker 1: Is it just dunk?
Speaker 3: Is it straight dunked them that they do this like
Speaker 3: it's going to be teached out of it, because I
Speaker 3: feel like it.
Speaker 1: Can definitely be teached out or taught out. It's just
Speaker 1: you got to have the right. I mean, the student has.
Speaker 2: To want it and the teacher has to demand it.
Speaker 2: And I often find that that's not the case. It
Speaker 2: isn't boxing, but it's not the case in MMA. You
Speaker 2: gotta remember, though, like it's a tough thing to do.
Speaker 2: Pressure in MMA yields so many rewards that getting people
Speaker 2: to not pressure is hard, Like pressuring just the right amount.
Speaker 2: It's actually much more difficult than it looks. Uh, and
Speaker 2: so that's why these guys just jump into range, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because it seems like it's forcefull
Speaker 2: and it's immediate, but it's also just reckless against somebody
Speaker 2: who can punch your LIFs.
Speaker 1: Did you think you'd fare better better?
Speaker 3: I mean, like when you the promotion risks something, when
Speaker 3: they're like, all right, you're from Pittsburgh, gonna put you
Speaker 3: on a comin event against a guy who's could like
Speaker 3: silence the room, and I mean everybody kind of knew that.
Speaker 3: Did you think that it would be a closer fight
Speaker 3: than it ended up being?
Speaker 2: Yes, I still would have favored Kasank and I what
Speaker 2: were the pre fight odds on that one?
Speaker 1: Long aland do you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dalton was like a minus one eighty five inpo
Speaker 4: was like plus one fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rosta was coming in off of a fucking loss.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I thought that it would be kind
Speaker 3: of a back and forth fight, like you'd see some
Speaker 3: fireworks both ways, just guy fighting, no someter, But it
Speaker 3: ended up being you're we were talking about the you know,
Speaker 3: craziest women fights. Reminded me of the Jessica eye when
Speaker 3: she got knocked out. Wasn't that in Cleveland? I feel
Speaker 3: like it was in Cleveland she fought Valentino, but I
Speaker 3: could be wrong about that. But wherever it was, it
Speaker 3: shut the like it was like it was more of
Speaker 3: like a oh my god, what did I just see
Speaker 3: when jess guy went down?
Speaker 1: After that headgag?
Speaker 2: The rest of the card maybe up to your interest.
Speaker 2: Josh Fremmed got a very nice stoppage over Al Salawe.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure to say his first name, so there's
Speaker 2: some interesting moments on that one. I will say that
Speaker 2: this young up and coming twenty four year old prospect
Speaker 2: Alexei Paragonde pra Gone. I'm not sure he pronounced his name.
Speaker 2: I gotta start watching these broadcasts with the volume up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he'd beat Arse Arse arguably made a run back in
Speaker 2: the third round, but nevertheless of twenty four at eight, No, no,
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good win by him.
Speaker 1: Are you have two TV set up? Like? Or is
Speaker 1: all of it?
Speaker 3: Because I went from the UFC over to PFL and
Speaker 3: it was kind of already on the comain, but I
Speaker 3: didn't have two TV setups.
Speaker 2: I had to watch it after the fact because I
Speaker 2: went out to my post fight show, so I was
Speaker 2: actually I was getting updates.
Speaker 1: About it when I was doing Diligent. I know, well,
Speaker 1: gotta make that money, you know what I'm saying. Very
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Speaker 2: go to topic number five here if we can chuck
Speaker 2: just combat sports from around the weekend. There was a
Speaker 2: lot going on in all of this. So one of
Speaker 2: my favorite results this weekend, I mean, Moses e Tama
Speaker 2: just absolutely sending. You could see it here, Jermaine Franklin
Speaker 2: to the fucking Land of Winding ghosts, twenty one years old, dude,
Speaker 2: true or false, chuck in either MMA or boxing, Moses
Speaker 2: Etama is the most exciting thing in heavyweight combat sports.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean we've still got marchenz Heborah. Let
Speaker 1: me thank here.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, come on, in the UFC, it's like
Speaker 3: in the UFC, there's nobody right now who's matching this.
Speaker 3: And honestly, in boxing, when you get a young dude
Speaker 3: like this, I mean I hate them. Mike Tyson references
Speaker 3: to stuff like this. But you see an uppercut from
Speaker 3: a twenty one year old guy, does it not remind
Speaker 3: you of before? Trevor Burberck, like kind of the the
Speaker 3: Marvin Frasier type. The guys he was just knocking out
Speaker 3: before he got to that moment, and you're like, this
Speaker 3: dude is coming. That's exciting. When you see young guys
Speaker 3: do this, it's always very exciting. And dude, look at
Speaker 3: that knockout, the spray that comes off of him, and
Speaker 3: just the stagger. I mean, lile, what look at this boom.
Speaker 3: It's almost like you see the ghosts come out. But uh,
Speaker 3: it's that's just that's phenomenal stuff he uses. Even in
Speaker 3: the Dillian White right league, he's he's he uses his
Speaker 3: spotlight really well, the little the escalation and talent stuff
Speaker 3: on guys he's face and who should give him more
Speaker 3: problems and they're not at all.
Speaker 1: That's exciting stuff. Man. Yeah, he sets up shots.
Speaker 2: You know, he takes his time, he picks his punches,
Speaker 2: but he's fast, he's athletic.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, boys like he just looks like it's not
Speaker 3: even bothered by it. You know, he's ready for the moment.
Speaker 2: He looked incredible. All right, let's go to what our
Speaker 2: friend of the show, Brian Campbell, was commentating this weekend.
Speaker 2: Sebastian Fundora basically stops Keith Thurman, I believe a six
Speaker 2: round stoppage and not it didn't just stop. It mean,
Speaker 2: this is basically a pretty good indication this is the
Speaker 2: final sequence obviously, Chuck. But like it was, I mean,
Speaker 2: Thurman got bombed on here. This was you know, kind
Speaker 2: of hard to watch, to be honest with you, a
Speaker 2: little bit, at least at least the last couple of
Speaker 2: rounds when it was starting to go real fucking.
Speaker 1: Bad for him.
Speaker 2: Has Sebastian Fundora, who looks like a gigantic praying mantis.
Speaker 2: He does, Man, is he convinced you to take him seriously?
Speaker 1: Now? I think so.
Speaker 3: Man, it was a six foot six at one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty four like fighting it. Yes, it's just it's
Speaker 3: such a it's a it's a bizarre a praying mantis
Speaker 3: is exactly what I say it. But man, he he's
Speaker 3: he's in there now, and there are fun fights. Did
Speaker 3: you just see it looks like they just made the
Speaker 3: Boots Zayas fight by the way, Yeah, yes, no oh,
Speaker 3: I mean I was actually gonna say, like one of
Speaker 3: those types of fighters might be a lot of fun
Speaker 3: for him, But but that fight's a great one too.
Speaker 3: I'm not taking anyway away. I think that that's a
Speaker 3: very fun fight. I think that you should take Fundora
Speaker 3: the serious. I mean, it's it's fun to You've got
Speaker 3: like the sibling between him and his sister, kind of
Speaker 3: ruling two sides of the boxing world. And yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing more from this kid.
Speaker 2: I thought he was great. The only thing that wasn't
Speaker 2: so great was after the fight. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you saw this, he basically was like, you know, I'll
Speaker 2: fight anyone, but you know he's going to prioritize a
Speaker 2: PBC opponent. And it's like, dude, Fundora is I believe
Speaker 2: the regular, like the normal WBC champion. Virgil Ortiz is
Speaker 2: the interim one right of the same weight class, same
Speaker 2: sanctioning org. And he's like, oh, I don't want to
Speaker 2: fight Virgul because he's not PBC.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm like, boxers, this is the worst time.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little late now. I suppose maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2: But like while they're going through Congress to get laws
Speaker 2: rewritten about how this shit's gonna go, these guys are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I still don't want to fight outside of people in
Speaker 2: my organization.
Speaker 1: You're you guys, you deserve what's coming to you, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Also, such a buzzkill on the microphone to do that,
Speaker 3: like you're like, dude, just let people believe that it
Speaker 3: might happen at least, why you don't have to express that,
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, just lie to us. That is the
Speaker 3: fight to make. That is the fight to make. Now
Speaker 3: that the other guys, yeah.
Speaker 2: Arvin sar Yuki in side Quest Chuck, they keep yielding
Speaker 2: good results.
Speaker 1: He wins nine to three.
Speaker 2: Over Georgia o'poulis, and he gets watch here, he's gonna
Speaker 2: pinch him down right here, and then he's gonna go
Speaker 2: to the back and scoop around and here comes a
Speaker 2: four point throw boom. So he closed it out. He
Speaker 2: was five to three and that made it nine to three.
Speaker 2: He wins the rivalry. I don't know, you still enjoying
Speaker 2: these What do they do for you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I am, but it's like it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of new. I've told you before, you know you. I
Speaker 3: confess I don't watch a ton like I should watch
Speaker 3: the n C Double A's as they're kind of happening.
Speaker 3: I know you you check in on those, I just
Speaker 3: don't do it. So even the scoring and stuff like
Speaker 3: what we're what we're looking at, especially tactically, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what everything that's going on.
Speaker 3: But dude, when he makes that and it's a four
Speaker 3: point and it's in a fairly close match at that point,
Speaker 3: and it brings the house alive. I mean that's kind
Speaker 3: of fun, isn't it. Like I thought it was a
Speaker 3: cool moment. RAF puts on good shows. Yeah, Yeah, their
Speaker 3: matchmakers are clever there. I really like their products. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they got like a big show. Their next one
Speaker 3: is like Morob is on it and uh in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just I love to see these guys
Speaker 3: kind of thrown into the You It's it's kind of
Speaker 3: a reverse way of looking at wrestling, like you see
Speaker 3: it filtered in through MMA and then you're like, okay, wait,
Speaker 3: now let's just strip it down to its essence and
Speaker 3: watch these guys that I'm at.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun to do it this way. It
Speaker 1: certainly is. Uh.
Speaker 2: Colby Covington gets the win over Dylan Danis. Here's the
Speaker 2: end of it via tech Fall. For folks who don't
Speaker 2: know what tech Fall is that basically means mercy rule
Speaker 2: when you just absolutely I mean it's twelve at the
Speaker 2: n C douable as I forget what it was for Raf,
Speaker 2: but you know, look at this, he's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 2: turn him here. This is called a gut wrench right there, boom,
Speaker 2: you know, just just beating the bags off of him.
Speaker 3: He just ran out of gas. And it seemed like
Speaker 3: that like he didn't have the stamina to it's. I mean,
Speaker 3: he started off, it started off a little more competitive,
Speaker 3: but just as it went on, it felt like he
Speaker 3: had nothing for Kobe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, these guys who've been wrestling since they were
Speaker 2: my daughter's age, you know, they've just got a certain
Speaker 2: level of comfortability with it all. And it was hilarious,
Speaker 2: like chill Son and asked these questions and then Colby
Speaker 2: did a chaill Son and on him where he answers,
Speaker 2: not the question he was asked, just whatever he wanted to,
Speaker 2: like make it a focus.
Speaker 1: On you know, Chie could appreciate that he better.
Speaker 2: He's the one who did it, you know in MMA. Anyway,
Speaker 2: all right, that's our five. What a great weekend. With
Speaker 2: that in mind, let's go to our segment. Where you
Speaker 2: get to ask us questions. It's time for dms from dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the first thing you hear before the police come
Speaker 2: out and say this is a prostitution bust, all right?
Speaker 2: Topic number one from Perk three thousands, three thousand.
Speaker 1: Excuse me.
Speaker 2: I understand the fans calling for Iszzy to retire, not
Speaker 2: wanting to see him lose another fight, But other than that,
Speaker 2: why should he He gets paid a couple million every fight.
Speaker 2: He does not get paid a couple million every fight,
Speaker 2: let me fucking assure you. And this is the thing
Speaker 2: he loves to do most in this world. It's not
Speaker 2: like he's getting destroyed as he is, like Tony Ferguson
Speaker 2: was on his way out. If he wants to keep
Speaker 2: going and this isn't taking serious damage, why not. Every
Speaker 2: part of the premise of this question is wrong. He
Speaker 2: doesn't make two million a fight and he is getting destroyed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tough thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, we covered this pretty addnuging, but like it's
Speaker 3: just it's a tough thing, right. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I guess I just don't like the open endedness of
Speaker 3: what he's doing.
Speaker 1: I don't really love that.
Speaker 3: You guys, got to kick me out, Like I there's
Speaker 3: something about his comportment and his makeup that I feel
Speaker 3: like I should know better than that. Maybe he's just
Speaker 3: saying it, but I'm like, I don't like that kind
Speaker 3: of mentality. When a guy doesn't seem to be meeting
Speaker 3: the standard of who's standing in front of him.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's it's amazing that people would think
Speaker 2: in a non title main event, he's making two million dollars,
Speaker 2: No fucking chance that's true. That's probably three or four
Speaker 2: times what he's actually getting.
Speaker 1: That's an insane thing, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the the other part too, is like, Okay, is
Speaker 2: he getting abused like Tony Ferguson was getting abused against
Speaker 2: Justin Gachee. No, he's not getting that, but that's what's next.
Speaker 2: You keep going, and that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: You can't get out of the way the punches, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the other part two is like, dude, like
Speaker 2: getting battered like he did, Like maybe his nose got broken.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm saying just the punch is
Speaker 2: like he took generally, Dude, these these are gonna fuck
Speaker 2: your life up if you take enough of them, like
Speaker 2: looking at this and thinking, oh, this is the thing
Speaker 2: you can just he's treating it like the question was like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like playing pickleball, Like you know, he's
Speaker 2: everything's fine. We're just you know, hitting the ball out
Speaker 2: in the old pickleball court. Dude, this is not fucking pickleball,
Speaker 2: tru man.
Speaker 3: He used to have a little bit more of It's
Speaker 3: just like a spring springy evasiveness, so he could just
Speaker 3: kind of get out of the way. And once that goes,
Speaker 3: it just changes everything, you know. And so like there
Speaker 3: was one, I know, there was one big punch. I
Speaker 3: think it was a right hand that Piper landed. That
Speaker 3: was pretty telegraphed, and I mean it was just it
Speaker 3: was just standing there and then just telegraphed and and
Speaker 3: it connects full of connects, and you're like, that's just
Speaker 3: not a punch he would have gotten.
Speaker 1: Hit with earlier in his career.
Speaker 2: All right, Question number two from pursue uh or no
Speaker 2: excuse me, per uh, per use dreams uh or whatever
Speaker 2: the per us dreams, whatever the fuck?
Speaker 1: Who cares? What are your.
Speaker 2: Thoughts on the AI slow. I'm so glad someone asked
Speaker 2: about this. What are your thoughts on the AI slop
Speaker 2: argument from Dana or lack thereof Just shut the fuck
Speaker 2: up and watch the fights our Dana's thoughts. By the way,
Speaker 2: Let's let me set this up for the audience, Chuck,
Speaker 2: if they didn't see it. Someone in the postfight press
Speaker 2: conference asked Dana White about, Hey, some of the fans
Speaker 2: are upset that you guys are using AI to generate
Speaker 2: you know, some of these graphics or images that you're
Speaker 2: using for you know, both the television broadcast but beyond
Speaker 2: that as well. And Dana first of all didn't understand
Speaker 2: the question, like what's the problem, And then someone had
Speaker 2: to explain to hims like they're using AI, and his
Speaker 2: response was, here's my response, shut the fuck up to
Speaker 2: the fans and watch the fights.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Chuck, Well, you did have a
Speaker 3: good night of fights, so you understand. Like he's like, Hey,
Speaker 3: why are we talking about this. We just said that
Speaker 3: we finally have the best night of twenty twenty six
Speaker 3: with on paramount plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same made it worse. Here we are talking
Speaker 1: about made it worse.
Speaker 3: And I'm like that Unfortunately, anything that feels cheap or
Speaker 3: lazy is going to glare at you, and especially in
Speaker 3: a new era like where you think they're going to
Speaker 3: go the extra mile to do these things. I noticed
Speaker 3: it right away, did you. Like when you're watching it,
Speaker 3: you're like, wait, what is this? I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: like anything like you go see a you seem like
Speaker 3: a man of taste, So like you would probably rather
Speaker 3: watch a think piece of a movie at the limity
Speaker 3: theater rather than like some you know, explosion CGI type movie.
Speaker 3: You might you would choose that, And I feel like
Speaker 3: that's kind of the cheapening effect of something like that.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, have something you have, like you have
Speaker 3: the monopoly on the sport, like it puts some effort
Speaker 3: into it. I'm maybe I'm nitpicking, but that's why it
Speaker 3: feels to.
Speaker 2: Me, like, dude, just think about something for a second. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, Dana White makes probably a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Does he make as much money as like the McDonald's
Speaker 2: CEO or something like that, right, Like, yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 2: maybe it's on par maybe it's even a little bit more,
Speaker 2: but you know, like the McDonald's CEO is a pretty
Speaker 2: well compensated position, right, tens of millions probably a per annual. Yeah,
Speaker 2: could you imagine the McDonald's CEO responding to someone saying
Speaker 2: something about how his product is a little lazy, and
Speaker 2: him responding, shut the fuck up and eat the fries.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine something like that?
Speaker 2: The reason why you can't imagine it, even though that's
Speaker 2: a huge company and they have a big market share
Speaker 2: and the owner, I should say that the owner, but
Speaker 2: the president of the McDonald's or the CEO makes a
Speaker 2: lot of money, is that it would be automatically ruinous
Speaker 2: for any brand that still has to answer to their customers.
Speaker 2: This is the kind of thing that not even a
Speaker 2: fucking power company, an electric fucking company says to you
Speaker 2: about your fucking bill, even and they don't do it.
Speaker 2: I want everyone to understand, Yeah, this is the problem
Speaker 2: with the UFC, and it's been the people like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's the Paramount Era, it's Hunter Campbell. It's monopoly everyone.
Speaker 2: It is fucking time to stop blaming Paramount or Hunter
Speaker 2: Campbell or whoever the fuck it is monopoly.
Speaker 1: They don't, they know it. They know they.
Speaker 2: Don't owe you shit, and they there's nothing short of
Speaker 2: just leaving the shit completely alone that you can do
Speaker 2: about it. And they fucking know it. That's the fucking problem.
Speaker 1: Well said man, It's true. It drives me fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy is even us talking about it
Speaker 3: and pointing this out, like you know, there's a there
Speaker 3: is such a knee jerk fan reaction from certain fans
Speaker 3: who are who are being talked to that way, that
Speaker 3: will be like dude Dane's worries that because you know,
Speaker 3: they're just gonna defend it anyway it does. That's the
Speaker 3: craziest thing. There's certain dogs beneath the hail who liked
Speaker 3: the abuse.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Oh, dude Dana told us to go fuck ourselves.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, he's so cool for that. You know. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you ate paint as a kid.
Speaker 2: I can just tell bro, you don't have any sense
Speaker 2: of self whatsoever. And then the other part two here
Speaker 2: chuck last thing on this and we'll move on. But
Speaker 2: the other part two is it's like part of listen.
Speaker 2: I use AI at times as a way because I
Speaker 2: just don't happen twenty four hours in a day to
Speaker 2: be able to do all of the things I want
Speaker 2: with the kind of manicured process, with all the things
Speaker 2: I've got going on, I just don't have the ability
Speaker 2: to do that, but I try to.
Speaker 1: I gave up my chat GPT account.
Speaker 2: I only use Anthropic, you know, So I try, and
Speaker 2: there's no responsible to choice, but I feel like that's
Speaker 2: a better one than open AI. And I try to
Speaker 2: be very very limiting in the ways in which I
Speaker 2: use it, either for research or to help up with
Speaker 2: thumbnails on my political channel, because I just don't have
Speaker 2: time to sit there and make them, and so there
Speaker 2: can be use cases for it, and I try to
Speaker 2: lean into those, and I try to be my full
Speaker 2: of it for any number of reasons. But like the
Speaker 2: UFC just signed a seven point seven.
Speaker 1: Billion dollar deal.
Speaker 2: They could easily afford the kinds of teams that they
Speaker 2: need to be able to make stuff that looks really
Speaker 2: great on camera. They're just doing it cheaply. And it's
Speaker 2: like this is emblematic of everything. You're giving us a
Speaker 2: worse product because you're cost cutting and.
Speaker 1: We're all poorer for it.
Speaker 2: For then Dana to be like, go fuck yourselves, it's
Speaker 2: like it's like, dude, they don't customers understand. They don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck about your opinion because they know you
Speaker 2: can't do shit about it. That's the truth. A man, right,
Speaker 2: it's true, all right. Topic question number three, you don't know,
Speaker 2: Tyler says, is it time for UFC to change out
Speaker 2: commentary teams more frequently?
Speaker 1: Do we need to rotate shock? What do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, they already rotate obviously. Do you ever go back?
Speaker 3: Like I you know, you go on the fight pass,
Speaker 3: which I love because you can go watch old fights
Speaker 3: and just get a sense of whatever happened and or
Speaker 3: just revisit.
Speaker 1: But like you get Mike Goldberg and he's just like,
Speaker 1: that's it's.
Speaker 3: Hard to be a rock star, right, well, you know,
Speaker 3: or something like that, right when Ronda Rousey's getting knocked
Speaker 3: out and you're like, oh my god, every's panicking and
Speaker 3: he's like throwing out.
Speaker 1: It has gotten so much better from those days.
Speaker 3: We don't realize it because you just kind of watch
Speaker 3: it in a linear way and you just keep going.
Speaker 3: But it's so much better than the old days. Yet
Speaker 3: I understand the question. I understand the concern because there
Speaker 3: are times where the booth gets almost a little too giddy,
Speaker 3: where they just go off on these little side johnts,
Speaker 3: and that can be fun, but when it becomes too fun,
Speaker 3: like where it becomes a little too loosey goosey. There's
Speaker 3: times that that bothers me. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Like it's usually a Cormier booth, you know, where he's
Speaker 1: just laughing and having a good time and talking about
Speaker 1: something a little bit. That's cool.
Speaker 3: But there's there's all also, I don't know there's a
Speaker 3: great jew at all. Like there's just times where I'm like,
Speaker 3: come on, guys, stay on point here a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: I think that we got like you got to be
Speaker 2: kind of precise about the criticism. First of all, I
Speaker 2: feel like the play by play side that UFC has
Speaker 2: is super strong. Yes, so that'd be John Annick, Brendan Fitzgerald,
Speaker 2: John Gooden, and even Dan Helly.
Speaker 3: I'd throw in there as well. Yeah, yeah, they're all good.
Speaker 3: And John Anna keeps everything on point. Like the thing
Speaker 3: I'm talking about, he'll reel it in. He'll he'll know
Speaker 3: when it's going too far like the I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't have any meaningful criticism about that side
Speaker 2: of the Ledger at all. To me, the real problems
Speaker 2: are on the color side. I think Paul Felder's good.
Speaker 2: I think Laura Senko is good. I recognize that there
Speaker 2: are limits because you know, DC can get a little
Speaker 2: bit giggly with Rogan. That's not a great combo. But
Speaker 2: in general, especially when he's really leaning into the wrestling,
Speaker 2: when DC is focused and talking about technique, I love
Speaker 2: his commentary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Cruise, he's just I feel like he's
Speaker 3: really up on what's happening. Like I'm not trying to.
Speaker 3: I know, it's a big workload. Man, They're running shows
Speaker 3: every week and there's seven hour shows. It's a lot
Speaker 3: of fights, it's a lot of knowledge you have to
Speaker 3: carry around from week to week. Sure, so you have
Speaker 3: to give him some grace on this, but I do
Speaker 3: sometimes I'm like, you know, I don't know, maybe the
Speaker 3: like the research part of it could be stronger, and
Speaker 3: you know, not just with DC.
Speaker 1: I'm saying like in general, Uh, there's there's some of that,
Speaker 1: and there's some other ones in there.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm not going to go through all
Speaker 2: of them, but you know, I like most of what
Speaker 2: I I just feel like they haven't they kiss coming
Speaker 2: up and I think they're still trying to get him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, some reps, I feel like they need to
Speaker 2: be a little bit more aggressive with trying out some
Speaker 2: other names, but they'd like to keep their guys.
Speaker 1: So I agree with you, Dominic Cruz, Paul Felder.
Speaker 3: Those types of guys really do a great job if
Speaker 3: you were just like kind of towing that line between
Speaker 3: the aficionado who's watched a lot of fights and the
Speaker 3: person who hasn't watched a lot of fights, kind of
Speaker 3: given you the basis of what you're looking at, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's especially certain setups, and you know where why
Speaker 3: it's why it's effective. But whatever it is, they do
Speaker 3: a very good job of toying that line, and that
Speaker 3: that to me, is very good commentary.
Speaker 2: It's good to the next question, This is from v
Speaker 2: Sanchez Underscore eighty eight Well Long Island. Luke ever do
Speaker 2: a fan edition? Oh, prop quiz Long Island.
Speaker 1: I'm not against this, not against this whatsoever.
Speaker 5: The problem being is that obviously I cater every topic
Speaker 5: to the guests, and like if a random fan is
Speaker 5: doing it, I obviously know nothing about this fan. So
Speaker 5: maybe if I come up with just some generic topics,
Speaker 5: I'd be into it. But I definitely need to broaden
Speaker 5: the contestants. We need to bring more people in. So
Speaker 5: anyone seeing this hit me on.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll take any fan as long as they're
Speaker 3: celebrity and they're gonna bring a lot of traffic to myself, as.
Speaker 1: Long as Brian and your wife. Yeah, all right, last,
Speaker 1: but not least, that's the best one I know. Question
Speaker 1: for five, do you do.
Speaker 2: You have any April any funny April Fool stories? No,
Speaker 2: I'm not a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, do you remember, though, who was it?
Speaker 1: The dude?
Speaker 3: Like, there was fighters. There were a couple of fighters,
Speaker 3: and they were bad. They were in really bad taste.
Speaker 3: They when Twitter became a thing and they would he's
Speaker 3: out say yeah, or they they'd be like, my fight
Speaker 3: is canceled or whatever, and you'll be like, it's news outlets,
Speaker 3: whitn't you know?
Speaker 1: They would almost be trying to run with this, and
Speaker 1: then they'd be like, no, it's all a joke. You know.
Speaker 2: There's been some bad ones. April fool, I'm not fools
Speaker 2: is for dullards, just straight up. You can you can
Speaker 2: quote me on that for dullards or kids, But I
Speaker 2: mean the adults who play it out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, heay listen. If you're my daughter's
Speaker 1: age and you want to do April Fools.
Speaker 2: Cool exactly, I'll play along, but for anybody else go
Speaker 2: fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah here, I want to turn to Dana White.
Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up and watch m k okay, who
Speaker 2: the fuck do you think you are?
Speaker 1: Brother, You're gonna you're gonna have to long Only.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to get the snippet of the the
Speaker 3: uh of the you know whatever we're just talking about
Speaker 3: where he's going on about the AI.
Speaker 1: You need that one in the in the repertoire here, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I'll add it. But for now, I got this. This
Speaker 1: weekend I'll be doing the crack do.
Speaker 2: Long Island's gonna get you with that sound machine. Don't
Speaker 2: think he won't, Oh baby, all right, With that in mind,
Speaker 2: remember we're still running a contest, so keep sending him
Speaker 2: Morning Combat at gmail dot com. But it's time now
Speaker 2: for some fan subs.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. You've got mail futures, all right.
Speaker 2: This is from first one. It's from Quinn. It's a
Speaker 2: meme and she's are he or she says? What the
Speaker 2: fuck are those hats?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Chuck Mintenhall Whenever Long Island Luke puts him on full
Speaker 2: screen with that wide angle shot. Yeah, because you go
Speaker 2: see all the hats in the background. Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: to pile them over there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's how I end up with Detroit. So I could
Speaker 3: just grab something put it on. I wish I had
Speaker 3: that many hats.
Speaker 1: I have like three hats.
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't think i've ever seen you
Speaker 3: where at only when you're going into public and you're
Speaker 3: trying to avoid like fans.
Speaker 1: I've definitely seen you do that.
Speaker 2: I definitely put a hat on in a hood up
Speaker 2: and then like just walk around like this, middle fingers.
Speaker 1: Just don't fucking talk to me.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm teazing, all right, topic number I'm not talking,
Speaker 2: but number two here on this says good day gents.
Speaker 2: Is from Jeff making a meme competition has stirred my
Speaker 2: creative juices. All right, we've got five memes and a
Speaker 2: video as well. Here we go UFC champions reading legal
Speaker 2: documents defining what their championship belts actually mean.
Speaker 1: All right, off.
Speaker 2: BC as an orangutang and then the strawweight.
Speaker 1: He's going to interview how it appears to them at
Speaker 1: least I don't know if you can ride a tricycle.
Speaker 2: Here's Mark Zuckerberg. Hi, I'm your neighbor that booed you
Speaker 2: at a UFC event. If you need anything, I'll do
Speaker 2: my best to make it worse. Come by the Data
Speaker 2: Center anytime.
Speaker 1: I do hate Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, look at that, all right.
Speaker 2: Your choice is become a lawyer or cover the most
Speaker 2: racist and sexist sport ever.
Speaker 1: And then there's Jed who's sweating it out. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's the this is this is MMA is the official
Speaker 2: sport of fascism. It is just I mean, in funnsane,
Speaker 2: how full of awful people?
Speaker 1: It is? All right?
Speaker 2: Next, uh, here's the urinal And then coming up, did
Speaker 2: you hear Kid Rock is performing at UFC Freedom to fifty.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna have Kid Rock at the
Speaker 1: White House? I think i'd sprits on that guy if
Speaker 1: that happened, like if somebody came up to me empty years.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it does feel that fits kind
Speaker 3: of the the motif they've been going with. Every time
Speaker 3: you see trumpet event, isn't Kid Rock right on his side?
Speaker 3: Like they come out together. The oil is gonna.
Speaker 2: Be at like two hundred and fifty dollars a barrel
Speaker 2: and there's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be dying Digger Digger.
Speaker 2: And people are gonna be like, yeah, we want you
Speaker 2: to take mma. Seriously, that's not no, what's the video?
Speaker 1: Fire the person that does that. But now you have
Speaker 1: been promoted.
Speaker 3: You are now one of my elague employees.
Speaker 1: Uh, you missed some trash over there, honey.
Speaker 2: It's not bad, not too dissimilar from Halliwent. All right,
Speaker 2: this is from Kelsey.
Speaker 1: Is this a girl? Is this a girl? Apparently? All right?
Speaker 2: Longtime fan of the show, Kelsey Wrights listening for a
Speaker 2: few years now, So yes, you do have female listeners
Speaker 2: slash donks.
Speaker 1: She might be the only one. This is the meme
Speaker 1: I came up with.
Speaker 2: I think the Netflix card is better than the White
Speaker 2: House card and agree with the sentiment that it should
Speaker 2: have been better star power matchups, But Long Island's hate
Speaker 2: for it is high for how much he loves Fight
Speaker 2: Night prelims.
Speaker 1: It's a good point, fingers crossed.
Speaker 2: The cards get better matchups that are more relevant to
Speaker 2: the rankings. Keep up the great work. What's wrong with
Speaker 2: this meme? This is a great meme.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's wrong with this meme is I've actually defend
Speaker 5: did the White House card.
Speaker 1: I'm anti it. Oh, so she should have put the
Speaker 1: m v P card. There you go.
Speaker 4: But her point was that she's holding the m v
Speaker 4: P card higher than the White House card.
Speaker 3: You know what your problem is with the m v
Speaker 3: P card. It's just that there are too many prohibitive
Speaker 3: favorites on it.
Speaker 5: And you're like, nah, yeah, it's not a good betting card.
Speaker 5: That's how it is, you know what it is. People
Speaker 5: gave me a lot of ship for those comments, by
Speaker 5: the way, and they're like, bro, you stream, you stream
Speaker 5: apex prelims, and I'm like, I never said I'm not
Speaker 5: going to stream the m v P card.
Speaker 1: I said I'm not going to go to it.
Speaker 4: I said I wouldn't go to it if it was
Speaker 4: the local thing in town, just like I wouldn't go
Speaker 4: to a shitty APEX card if it was the local
Speaker 4: thing in town.
Speaker 3: What if they were giving out free banana head liqueur
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, cowlderhead.
Speaker 1: I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're still involved with that, are they.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that around much anymore.
Speaker 5: They are involved with bud Light though, and anyone who knows.
Speaker 5: But that's how you got me to a place.
Speaker 1: Is that your beer of choice bud Light?
Speaker 2: Sadly, yes, I'm not a beer snob at all, Like
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to drink great beer, but
Speaker 2: bud Light is also just bad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm dumb tea and I really want to vape. That's fair,
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 2: From Donagan Donagan Anderson Day one. DONK still sad over
Speaker 2: Brian's leaving, but I'm excited about the new full time
Speaker 2: Friday host, the famous and talented glup Shitdow. And just
Speaker 2: like Brian, he is a huge fan of women's one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen pound of age.
Speaker 1: So do you know who? Glup Shadow is? A Shock
Speaker 1: Words character? I know, not really.
Speaker 2: Sort of so yes and no, so he's not a
Speaker 2: real Star Wars character. Okay, someone had to explain this
Speaker 2: to me a while ago, but I learned it my understanding,
Speaker 2: and if I'm getting this wrong, some nerd can correct me.
Speaker 2: My understanding is that like the Star Wars fan base
Speaker 2: is so accommodating of like new characters that they don't
Speaker 2: ever quite like like, oh, we like jar Jar Binks,
Speaker 2: we like like all the awful ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like they could roll out one called
Speaker 1: glup shitdow. You don't know anything about it.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, yeah, he fucking rules, you know, glup
Speaker 3: shidow the banana slug, you know, the.
Speaker 1: Banana slug that no one gives a fuck about.
Speaker 3: You know, did you I don't know if you ever
Speaker 3: gave me like a do you have an opinion of
Speaker 3: like the Star Wars charge of being said episode?
Speaker 1: Though all of those like did you like those?
Speaker 2: Or George Lucas and that whole crew should be sent
Speaker 2: to the Hague?
Speaker 1: Dicks everywhere? Dicks dude.
Speaker 2: These people who grew up with the Phantom Menace when
Speaker 2: they were kids arguing with me that it's actually great
Speaker 2: cinema is one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I genuinely am like, I like, if I see that,
Speaker 2: and then I also see that you got charged with
Speaker 2: like some sex crime.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna think poorly.
Speaker 2: Of you in either way, but like you'd be surprised
Speaker 2: how competitive. Not thinking Phantom Menace is bad is on
Speaker 2: par with me looking at your sex crimes on your
Speaker 2: rap sheet. I'm like, these are not These are both
Speaker 2: really fucking bad.
Speaker 1: You know, what are you doing with your life? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Embarrassing that people.
Speaker 2: All Right, from Matt we got a meme here, he says,
Speaker 2: I'm coming for that signed.
Speaker 1: Poster Brian Campbell. Holy smokes. I'm so glad I was
Speaker 1: there for that event in Vegas when you guys were Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember you being there.
Speaker 3: I tell you, I showed up on stage. I showed
Speaker 3: up on stage for a little while.
Speaker 2: I know I do remember that on teasing, but like Jesus,
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna.
Speaker 1: Live that down.
Speaker 2: All Right, last min alleys, we have one from John
Speaker 2: McClain says Long Island Luke's brain ten beers and bong
Speaker 2: hits into the main car.
Speaker 1: Oh god, this is accurate. That was me in that moment.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 5: I was, you know, I lost my Nacy Barber moneyline
Speaker 5: bet and that was me.
Speaker 1: It's like so funny.
Speaker 2: It's like I missed the Mussaiah bab Munda's fight live
Speaker 2: and then I went back and watching him, like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: this is so fucked up. And then I talked to
Speaker 2: the Long Alley He's like, I didn't even notice.
Speaker 4: I made a fans up while we were live, Luke,
Speaker 4: because I noticed you were wearing the UFC Seattle flannel.
Speaker 1: So who wore it better? Guys? Kyle Nelson? Wait, is
Speaker 1: that legit? Dude?
Speaker 5: They were giving these out there? It looks exactly like
Speaker 5: what sharing. Yeah, so every fighter was in macy Ward
Speaker 5: for media day. You know everyone had.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, bro, this is the only car heart thing
Speaker 2: that I think I own.
Speaker 3: So this wasn't deliberately a homage to like the fight.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I just wore like a fucking idiot incidence.
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, Chuck, why don't you tell the good
Speaker 2: folks what you have that they can read or they
Speaker 2: can watch.
Speaker 1: This weekend, I'll be doing the crack. Yea, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: be doing the crack. I'll be besides Spendel I h
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 3: Are doing the crack on Wednesday, so you can cut
Speaker 3: that off Long Island, Luke.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure why, but it's a Wednesday show
Speaker 3: this week, and I'll have a couple I have like
Speaker 3: some columns coming up, and I'll have a feature probably
Speaker 3: rolling out on Monday in bols Cup of Swansen.
Speaker 1: Very good, long, Luke, what you got cooking?
Speaker 5: I have a bet breakdown for this really terrible UFC
Speaker 5: Vegas one fifteen event.
Speaker 1: We got this. Have you looked at this card? It
Speaker 1: is awful. Shout out to the main event. It's a
Speaker 1: fun main event. But what's the main Chris Donk?
Speaker 5: Al Right, it should be a bloodbath, you know, but
Speaker 5: I'll bet breakdown for that.
Speaker 4: New tourny for Pop Quiz starts on Friday. Hopefully, you know,
Speaker 4: I can get an episode before that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so tune out for that, and you know,
Speaker 5: watch along for this apex slop on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Hell yea, I will not be watching the Apex Slop
Speaker 2: this Saturday, you can. I'm gonna be spending time with
Speaker 2: my family. Let's see what do we have going on
Speaker 2: for me? You can just go to my YouTube channels
Speaker 2: and all that good stuff there.
Speaker 1: Go check that out.
Speaker 2: Of course we're always on social Chuck is as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we can find everything on ig and Twitter for him.
Speaker 2: Reminder Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Keep the memes coming.
Speaker 2: We're gonna announce the winner for the last month this
Speaker 2: coming Friday, so be on the lookout. We'll get that done.
Speaker 2: To keep sending them in. We love them, we appreciate them.
Speaker 2: They make the show better. So thank you to everyone
Speaker 2: who contributes them. Even if we like them where we don't.
Speaker 2: We appreciate all of them that come in, so thank
Speaker 2: you very much, shut the fuck up and keep sending
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Speaker 1: Then that is it.
Speaker 2: All right for Long Island Luke for Chuck Mindenhall, I
Speaker 2: am LT. We'll see you guys on Friday. Appreciate you
Speaker 2: guys watching until next time. May all of your gains
Speaker 2: be loyal