1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: The bananas weren't the problem. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: I welcome back nor it als to another episode of 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: the most anticipated podcasts in the month of February on 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: the Black Effect Podcast Network entitled I didn't know. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Maybe you didn't either. 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: I'm your host, be Dot, and we'll kick off today's 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: episode with three of the most useless facts You'll never need, 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: never not a day in life. Your first useless fact, 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: modern standard DOZZ testing comes directly from US Army IQ 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: tests that were created by eugenesis, and those are people 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: that believe certain races were genetically superior. Your second useless 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: facts It was a black scholar named Horace man Bond, 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: and he dismantled those tests in the nineteen twenties by 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: proving that poor white kids in Arkansas are they scored 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: law on them testing black kids in urban areas. 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: How was that? And your third useless fact? 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: By the nineteen thirties, it was some schools claiming that 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: bananas caused kids to fail intelligence tests and guess which 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: kids like Did you know that schools was blaming bananas 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: for low IQ scores in the nineteen thirties Because I. 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: Didn't, I didn't know. I didn't know, I didn't know. 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: I didn't know. 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: I didn't know. 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know. 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: So let me tell you a story about the time 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: America looked at black children, watched them struggle on tests 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: designed to confuse the hell out of them, and said, 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: ms be the bananas, and I'm not exaggerating. 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Stay with me. Now. 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: In nineteen sixteen, a group of psychologists led by Robert M. 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: Yerks he was the president of the American Psychological Association, 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: it created the Army Alpha and Beta tests. Now, these 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: tests were specifically designed to match the intelligence of military 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: recruits and helped the Army distinguish those of superior mental 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: ability from those who were mentally inferior. Those are they words? 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: Not mine? 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. The test wasn't measuring what they knew. 40 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: It was measuring what they'd been exposed to. Questions about 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: brand names, tennis, scoring luxury items, things that poor kids 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: and rural kids and black kids had never seen. Hell, 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: if I ask you to spell Christian Lubaton or tell 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: me who won the World Cup or the Last Masters 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 2: in order to get a job, you're probably gonna be 46 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: uninflood as hell. But when the black soldiers scored lower. 47 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: The Eugenesis said foot as proth Carl Brigham. 48 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: He was one of York's team members. 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: He wrote a book in nineteen twenty three called The 50 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: Study of American Intelligence. 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: I looked it up. 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: You can buy for twenty five bucks on Amazon. In 53 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: that book, he argues that the decline of American intelligence 54 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: was due to race mixing and immigration, and he used 55 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: those Army test scores as proofs. And then you know 56 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: what he did. He went on to create the essay. 57 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: Now you let that sink in. But that was a 58 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: black scholar who saw through it all, Horace man Bond, 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: and up until this day, the only Horus that I 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: had ever acknowledged played for the Chicago Bulls alongside Michael 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: Jordan and wore goggles. They had a twin brother. But 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: this black academic decided to fight pseudo science with actual science. 63 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Horace. 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: He studied them test scores, really studied them test scores, 65 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: and he found something that the Eugenesis never wanted anybody 66 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: to see. See the poor white kids in Arkansas, they 67 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: scored lower than the black kids in the urban areas. 68 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: Then he asked a question that ended careers. 69 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: All the exponents of intelligence tests prepared to assert that 70 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: the white population of Arkansas is inheritedly and racially infyria 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: to the whites of another section of the country. Silence, Yeah, hushmouth, 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: it basically should the old how absurd and biased them 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: stupid scientific racial arguments are because Horace proved what we 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: already knew them tests wasn't measuring intelligence. They was measuring access, resources, exposure, familiarity, segregation, 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: and opportunity. 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: And you know it's crazy. 77 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: Even that goofy man Carl Brigham that invented the SAT 78 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: eventually admitted it years later he called his own work 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: without foundation. 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: But by then, Man, the damage had been done. The 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: tests were in the. 82 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: Schools, the policies was in place, the assumptions were baked 83 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: in Hell. I think I scored at eight sixty on 84 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: my SAT. But Horace Man Bond, Oh, he went on 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: to become the first black president of Lincoln University. He 86 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: up the NAACP build a legal case for Brown versus 87 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: Board of Education, which we will discuss this season, and 88 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: his son, Julian Bond, became the chairman of the NAACP. 89 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: The apple didn't fall too far from the tree. Speaking 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: of apples, the bananas weren't the problem, the snap weren't 91 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: the problem, The children weren't the problem. The tests were 92 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: the problem. They always were, and I didn't know. Maybe 93 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: you didn't either. 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: I