1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 3: We begin with a guilty verdict for Sam bankman freed. 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: It took a jury less than five hours to convict 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 3: the FTX co founder of seven counts of fraud and conspiracy. 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's June Grosso begins our team coverage. 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 4: It's not a surprise because the evidence against him was overwhelming. 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 5: And think, what did it is? Sam Bankminfried took the 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 5: stand in his own defense. And when a defendant takes 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 5: the stand that way, the whole thing in the jury's 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 5: mind becomes a credibility game. How credible do they find him? 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's June Grosso says, Sam bankman Fried faces as much 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: as twenty years in prison on each of the most 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: serious charges. He'll be sentenced in March. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan Bloomberg, The legal reporter Ava Benny Morrison, was 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: in the courtroom during the verdict, and she continues our 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: team coverage. 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 6: Dave was pretty emotionless. He was as to stand up 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 6: by the judge. When the jury delivered its verdict. He 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 6: faced the jury box, he held his hands in front 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 6: of him and it looked like he was tearing down 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 6: at the floor as the jury. As the fourth person 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 6: to the jury confirmed guilty to each of the seven charges. 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 6: He then sat back down. When the jury walked out 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 6: of the room, he was whispering with his lawyers. He 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 6: was nodding a lot. While he wasn't very emotional. His 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 6: parents were. They were holding each other. His dad doubled 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 6: over at one point. 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Legal reporter Ava Bennie Morrison reports Bankman's lawyer is 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: considering an appeal. 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: May Karen Bloomberg. Business Week investigative reporter Zeke Fox wrote 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: a book on ftx's Crypto roller Coaster, and he says 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: Bankman freed struggled under cross examination. 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 7: When his own lawyer was questioning him, he had a 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 7: lot to say, but when the prosecution had there turned 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 7: a cross examine, he suddenly didn't remember anything and in 38 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 7: one moment that was dramatic, I mean, especially for me. 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 7: The prosecutor asked her, as she asked him about the statement, 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 7: there was more leeway, and he said, I don't remember 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 7: saying anything like that. She whipped out a copy of 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 7: my book, number Go Up and walked it over to 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 7: him like a hard copy and was like turn to 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 7: page two twenty four. 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: In Bloomberg Business Week, Zeek Fox ads the conviction is 46 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: the first in a wave of legal action against crypto companies. 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: Nathan now to the other major trial happening in New York, 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's two hundred and fifty million dollars civil fraud case. 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: The former president's two oldest sons took turns on the 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 2: witness stand, denying any role in preparing their company's financial records. Afterward, 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior addressed reporters. 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 8: Before even having a day in court, I'm apparently guilty 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 8: uh a fraud for relying on my accountants to do 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 8: wait for it, accounting. 55 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior's brother is set to continue testifying today. 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: Their sister, Evonka, will take this stand next week. She 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: lost an appeal to delay her testimony. 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: Well, Karen, we now turn to the war in the 59 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: Middle East. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is back in 60 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: Tel Aviv. We're determined that this conflict not spread, and 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: we'll be talking to both the Israeli government partners in 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: the region about what all of us are doing to. 63 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 9: Prevent that from happening. 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: When Secretary of State b Lincoln's arrival comes as ground 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: operations continue in Gaza. The Hamas run Health Ministry says 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: more than nine thousand Palestinians have died in the fighting. 67 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: Israel says seventeen of its soldiers have been killed. 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan, the House has passed the Aid for Israel bill, 69 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: but Bloomberg's ad Baxter reports and may have a troubled future. 70 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 9: This is a victory for House Speaker Mike Johnson, but 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 9: it looks as if it is dead to become law. 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 9: Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer has been saying taking funding 73 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 9: from IRS enforcement is a bad idea, and President Biden 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 9: is out saying if it were to hit his desk, 75 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 9: he would not sign it. House Speaker Johnson says it 76 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 9: will get done. 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 7: There is absolutely no equivocation here. 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: We have to stay with. 79 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 9: Israel, and Republican Congressman Tom Cole says there are different 80 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 9: paths to get the aid. We have a lot of 81 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 9: unspent money. We ought to use that toward a more 82 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 9: important purpose and that's his real So the issue is 83 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 9: far from settled at Baxter Bloomberg Radio. 84 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 3: Okay, and thank you. Turning the market. Shares of Apple 85 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: are down more than three percent. The world's most valuable 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 3: company reported its fourth straight sales decline and its warning 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: holiday revenue will be about the same as last year. 88 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 3: Angelo Zeno, as senior equity analyst, it's CFRAA research. 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 10: It's not the most favorable landscape out there for PCs, 90 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 10: even though the broader PC landscape appears to have found 91 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 10: some sort of putting for the time being. But at 92 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 10: the end of the day, the consumer landscape is still 93 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 10: very challenging in. 94 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: Nature CFAs angelo Zino says. The results also suggest apples 95 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: facing a deceleration in China. 96 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: Well Nathan O their stocks on the move this morning. 97 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: Shares of DraftKings up seven percent. The sports betting operator 98 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: reported sales and player numbers that beat analyst expectations, Block 99 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: shares surging more than a ten percent. The Payments Giant 100 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: run by Jack Dorsey, again boosting its profit forecast for 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: the year, and shares a Booking dropping as much as 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: seven percent in light trading. The company formerly known as 103 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: Price Lines as travel demand had been diminished by the 104 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: Israel Hamas war. 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: On the economic front, karen a busy week concludes with 106 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: the October Jobs report, a preview of that now from 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Michael McKee. 108 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 11: FED chair j Powell says a tight labor market could 109 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 11: lead to another rate move, which means markets will parse 110 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 11: the October jobs report trying to determine what it signals. 111 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 11: Is hiring still much stronger than what's needed to absorb 112 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 11: an increasing labor force. Have higher interest rates led companies 113 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 11: to pull back on hiring or even start letting people go. 114 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 11: Our companies still paying up to attract workers, While the 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 11: Fed we'll also see the November payrolls report before its 116 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 11: next meeting. Powell says it will take several months of 117 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 11: data to make any decisions. Michael McKee, Bloomberg Radio. 118 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: All right, Nathan, thank you. It is time now for 119 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: a look at some of the other stories making news 120 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: around the world, and for that we're joined by Bloomberg's 121 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: John Tucker, John, good morning. 122 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 12: And Karen. Something maybe rotten in the Big Apple. The 123 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 12: mayor's fundraising campaign is under investigation. Let's get more on 124 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 12: this report from Bloomberg's Michael Barr. 125 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 13: Mayor Adams ditched a White House meeting on the migrant 126 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 13: crisis and flew back to the city. The mayor explaining 127 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 13: his abrupt return. 128 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 14: But you probably heard the reports involved in one of 129 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 14: my campaign staffers. 130 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 13: The staffer is lead fundraiser, twenty five year old Brianna Suggs, 131 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 13: whose Brooklyn home was raided by the FBI. Along with 132 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 13: the officers of a New York construction firm called KSK, 133 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 13: it made fourteen thousand dollars in campaign contributions. The investigation 134 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 13: is looking into whether the company, along with Turkish nationals, 135 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 13: made in proper donations in New York. Michael Barr Bloomberg. 136 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 12: Radio Adams was supposed to be with the mayors of 137 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 12: Chicago and Denver. It asked Congress to approve President Biden's 138 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 12: request at one point four billion dollars to help the 139 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 12: cities and states in the migrant crisis. Denver Mayor Mike Johnston, 140 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 12: we're both of. 141 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 4: What wey've done. 142 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: It's critical for us that this package passes over the 143 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: next several weeks to get funding to cities, otherwise we'll 144 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: have catastrophic impacts. 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 12: The Democratic Mayor's trying to put pressure on the blinded 146 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 12: administration to address the humanitarian crisis caused by record crossings 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 12: at the southern border. The Senate had voted ninety five 148 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 12: to one to confirm Admiral Linda Franchetti to be the 149 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 12: next Chief of Naval Operations, making her the first woman 150 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 12: to be a US military service chief. Set of Majority 151 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 12: Leader Chuck Schumer and. 152 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 15: Admiral Fanchette is an exceptional leader with a distinguished career 153 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 15: serving our nation. I'm confident she has the experience, the skills, 154 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 15: and the vision to succeed as the US Navy's top 155 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 15: naval as the US Navy's top officer. 156 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 12: Franchetti's confirmation comes amid a temporary break from a blockade 157 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 12: by Senator Tommy Tubberville stalling hundreds of military promotions. Riding 158 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 12: high on historic contract wins against Detroit's automakers, UAWT President 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 12: Sean Fain he is confident he can now take on 160 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 12: Tesla and it's anti union chief Elon Musk. 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That's 179 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 13: the day Johnson's first touchdown and won a couple season tests. 180 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 14: Twenty Games TV had the calls. The Steelers beat the 181 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 14: Titans twenty to sixteen. Pittsburgh's five and three Tennessee is 182 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 14: three and five In Victor Weinberana's fifth NBA game, the 183 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 14: Spurs rookie sensations scored thirty eight points. He had ten rebounds. 184 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 14: Some highlight reel baskets as the San Antonio Spurs blew 185 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 14: a twenty seven point lead but still beat Phoenix won 186 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 14: thirty two to one twenty one. Philadelphia's three and one 187 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 14: won by fifteen over Toronto. Joel Mbi scored twenty eight. 188 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 14: The Pelicans are four to one. They played without Zion 189 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 14: Williams from CJ. McCollums scored thirty three and win over Detroit. 190 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 14: Orlando won by two at Utah Paalo Bankero scored thirty. 191 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 14: The games tonight of the NBA marked the beginning of 192 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 14: the NBA's in season tournament. The Bruins are nine to 193 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 14: zhoin one. They beat Toronto three two in a shootout. 194 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 14: Nelson Cruz announced his retirement at age forty three. Played 195 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 14: nineteen seasons. There eight different teams at four hundred and 196 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 14: sixty four home runs as expected World Series ratings, the 197 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 14: lowest ever one hundred and thirty baseball players will be 198 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 14: free agents. Heading the list show AO Time John Stanshaur 199 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 14: Bloomberg sports. 200 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 13: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 201 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 13: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syrias Exam. The Bloomberg 202 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 13: Business app in Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 203 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 9: Good morning. 204 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 3: I'm Nathan Hager. Guilty on all counts. After a month 205 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: long trial, Sam Bankman Freed is convicted in one of 206 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: the biggest cases of financial fraud in decades over the 207 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: collapse of his FTX crypto empire. For more reaction to 208 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: this outcome, we are joined now by Bloomberg Law host 209 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: June Grosso. It's good to have you back with us 210 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: this morning. Of course, this came after more than fifteen 211 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: days of testimony that this jury heard. In the end, 212 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 3: though it did take only about five hours for those 213 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: jurors to come back with a verdict. Your thoughts, Yeah, 214 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: it was a. 215 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 4: Very quick verdict. I think that the evidence of this 216 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 4: case was overwhelming. The prosecution had not only documents that 217 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: they could present, but they also had three insiders, three 218 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 4: witnesses who were close friends of Bankment Freed, one a 219 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,479 Speaker 4: former girlfriend of his, who were in on the process, 220 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 4: in on what happened, and they testified, and their testimony 221 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 4: was very you know, conclusive, and the cross examinations really 222 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 4: didn't expose many holds in their testimony. And you also 223 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 4: had the fact that Sam bankmin Freed took the stand, 224 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 4: and when a defendant takes the stand, the focus for 225 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: the jury then becomes the credibility of that defendant. And 226 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: while he did pretty well on direct examination, on cross examination, 227 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: the cross exit nomination was just withering and he said 228 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, or words to that effect more than 229 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 4: a hundred times. So I think that in this case, 230 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: he's taking the stand, which was a risky move. Everyone 231 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 4: knows that it's a risky move for a defendant to 232 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: take the stand, and it worked against him. 233 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: Here, was that the biggest mistake that Sam Bankman Freed 234 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: made to take the stand? Or is there something more 235 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: that he could have done to try to rebut that 236 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: testimony from as you say, what used to be his 237 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: closest friends, his inner circle. 238 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's hard to say. I don't want 239 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: to characterize it as a mistake really because I don't 240 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 4: know that he had any other choice. The evidence against him, 241 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 4: as I said, was building, building, building. He had those 242 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 4: those witnesses who turned against him, and really, what else 243 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: could he have done but take the stand. He really 244 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 4: had no other recourse. It was sort of forced on 245 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: him as the trial was going on, the question will 246 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: he take the stand or not. And the analysis was, well, 247 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: he has the kind of personality to want to take 248 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 4: the stand. I mean, look at all the times he's 249 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: talked in the media, but everyone knew that on cross 250 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: examination he was going to be confronted with not only 251 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 4: the testimony of the three people who were closest to 252 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 4: him at FTX and Alima Research who turned on him, 253 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 4: but also all the statements that he made, all the 254 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: times he talked to the media about FTX after the bankruptcy. 255 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 4: So but what else could he do? It was it 256 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 4: was a hail Mary pass and. 257 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 6: He took it. 258 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: But you know, the choice was really there wasn't really 259 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 4: wasn't much choice because it was so overwhelming at that 260 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: point that you know, he had to take the chance. 261 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: And there was, as you mentioned, so much overwhelming testimony 262 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: against him before the standard. Even before that testimony, I mean, 263 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 3: he lost a number of pre trial motions that kept 264 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: him from calling expert witnesses. And of course there was 265 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: that moment even before he was allowed to testify before 266 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 3: a jury, where he got on the stand in front 267 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: of the judge to argue for being allowed to testify 268 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: about advice from his lawyers. So I mean, he had 269 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: a number of hands tied behind his back, didn't he. 270 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know so many of the motions, 271 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: every big one that I can think of. The judge 272 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 4: ruled against him, and in particular, he was on the stand, 273 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: as you mentioned, about three hours testifying before the judge, 274 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 4: so the judge could decide whether or not he could 275 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 4: get use an advice of council defense and that was 276 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: really critical to his defense his lawyers, and he wanted 277 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: to say that what he did he did because he 278 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: was relying on the advice of his attorneys, and the 279 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 4: judge said that he could not do that. I mean, 280 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: the judge even ruled before trial that they couldn't use that, 281 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: they couldn't talk about that in their opening statements to 282 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 4: the jury. And then then he had those three hours 283 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: on the stands where the judge decided that he couldn't 284 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 4: use that and he couldn't talk about that in front 285 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 4: of the jury, and that was really a hit on 286 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: his defense. And if you go back, I mean even 287 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: before the trial, the judge, as you mentioned, said that 288 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 4: he couldn't use expert witnesses, and the judge threw him 289 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: into jail after he had communicated with the press, and 290 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 4: that was really a surprise too, because he had a 291 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: huge bail package and the defense was coming in to 292 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: agree that day to a gag order. Instead, the judge 293 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 4: decided that he was going to throw him into jail 294 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 4: weeks before the trial, and that really puts a strain 295 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: on the defense in more ways than one. I mean, 296 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 4: not only did he not have his adderall when he 297 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 4: was in jail, not have the right dose of it, 298 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 4: but he's a vegan and he didn't get the kind 299 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: of food he eats. He didn't get the kind of 300 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: food at the Brooklyn Detention Center, so everyone saw that 301 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 4: he lost a lot of weight when it came to 302 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 4: the courtroom. But more than that, it's very difficult to 303 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 4: prepare for trial when you're behind bars and your lawyer 304 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 4: has to make appointments to meet you, and you don't 305 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: have access to all the documents and you know, the 306 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: internet and the things you need. So it really was 307 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 4: an uphill battle for him from the very beginning. 308 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: And so we've had this uphill battle go on for 309 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: just about a month. After a relatively quick jury decision, 310 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: we are expecting that Sam Bankminfried and his lawyers are 311 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: going to appeal this verdict. How do you expect that 312 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: to go? 313 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: Now, Well, you know, they have a lot of issues 314 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 4: that they can appeal on, and they're the ones that 315 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: I was just talking about, the judge turning down the 316 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: advice of counsel and the expert witnesses, and I'm sure 317 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 4: they have a lot more from what happened at trial, 318 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: but it's it's very difficult to get a conviction reversed 319 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 4: on appeal. It happens, but it's very difficult because a 320 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 4: lot of these decisions are what they say, you know, 321 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 4: in the discretion of the judge, and the appellate court 322 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 4: won't touch a lot of a lot of these decisions 323 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: if they feel that it was in the discretion of 324 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 4: the judge and that these may all fit in that category. 325 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 4: So you know they will. 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